German FKK Clubs - Lounge and chat area

[QUOTE=Pistons;2298288]I have said this before, and will say it again. Ask 10 different guys about the top 2 nrw clubs, and you get 10 different answers. Personally I would have said Aca and Oceans in the past. Aca is rumored to have lost a few top girls, and at Oceans it is a bit up and down as well, plus some light upselling now. A shame with the shutdown of YY. DV has upselling too. Perhaps slightly above Oceans even. Same type of girls as at Oceans also, but cheaper entry if you arrive pre 20:00. However, a bit fewer girls also. Most likely these 2 clubs has the prettiest girls in average now after Aca lineup has gone down a bit. The idea about fake reports regarding Oceans is probably nothing more than a crazy conspiracy theory, or related to emotional personal attacks. I don't know enough about LR, but GT doesn't have many pretty girls. Too many tattoos, 40 year old and silicone. PHG and Magnum has one or two pretty girls also. But Magnum is too expensive entry. Maybe the PHG / VV combo is worth trying one day now. That is 2 clubs for 60 e entry total. Samya is a matter of taste. Some loves it. I felt most girls there in the past were a bit too skinny maybe. With a few exceptions..[/QUOTE]Fantasies, similar to claims of sexless rooms and paranoia that other customers make insults about each other to the working girls.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2298362]Flying Hentai Sex Predator.

It is all about admitting that we are flying hentai sex predators. I admit that I am flying hentai sex predator.

We mongers are predatory too, only we go to FKK or other related brothel formats like escort etc.

Sex predators must know where to go and when to open our mouth.[/QUOTE]1 - Being a sex predator is not something valuable.

2 - A man seeing himself as a sex predator (or like a seducer / womanizer and so on) and going in FKK's is like a dude going to a butcher shop and pretending he's a skilled hunter or like another one entering a fish shop and bragging to everyone that he's a pro fisher. You're not predating anything since you pay. You're a sex buyer, nothing else.

[QUOTE=CoolManFever84;2297637]Dusseldorf. I will be there for 3 days so can only visit 2 FKK. What are the top two in this area? Thank you.[/QUOTE]This type of the questions is often asked here by FKK newbies. I have some time today, so I would like to share my view on this. Before asking the question, you should ask yourself 1) what you look for in terms of WG's optics or WG's service or both and 2) how good you are in terms of judging whether a WG would provide good service before having session with her if you look for WG's service.

If you look for WG's optics and don't care about their service, go to the Turkish-owned big clubs in the tourist areas like Frankfurt. If you look for WG's service and don't care about their optics, go to the ethnic-German-owned clubs like GT, LR, Babylon and so on. If you look for the combination of both optics and service, then the question is how good you are to judge how a WG's service would be before having first session with her. If you are good, you should go to the Turkish-owned big clubs. If you are not so good, you should go to the big ethnic-German-owned clubs like GT and LR.

The WG's scene (I. E. WG's optics) in almost every club is fluid and talking about it based on prior experience is often meaningless. I think that a monger should put much more attention on what (mainly Turkish or ethnic German) the club owner's ethnicity is and the size of the club, and use macro analysis instead of micro analysis. In this way a monger would be more accurate to find the right clubs for him.

[QUOTE=Bfsie;2298578]This type of the questions is often asked here by FKK newbies. I have some time today, so I would like to share my view on this. Before asking the question, you should ask yourself 1) what you look for in terms of WG's optics or WG's service or both and 2) how good you are in terms of judging whether a WG would provide good service before having session with her if you look for WG's service.

If you look for WG's optics and don't care about their service, go to the Turkish-owned big clubs in the tourist areas like Frankfurt. If you look for WG's service and don't care about their optics, go to the ethnic-German-owned clubs like GT, LR, Babylon and so on. If you look for the combination of both optics and service, then the question is how good you are to judge how a WG's service would be before having first session with her. If you are good, you should go to the Turkish-owned big clubs. If you are not so good, you should go to the big ethnic-German-owned clubs like GT and LR.

The WG's scene (I. E. WG's optics) in almost every club is fluid and talking about it based on prior experience is often meaningless. I think that a monger should put much more attention on what (mainly Turkish or ethnic German) the club owner's ethnicity is and the size of the club, and use macro analysis instead of micro analysis. In this way a monger would be more accurate to find the right clubs for him.[/QUOTE]Good suggestion. But what if I'm too lazy to do my part on RTFF (Read The Fucking Forum) or too dumb to decide myself what I want? 😁

[QUOTE=Pistons;2298418]Men are predators. Women are victims. Does that make either of it wrong? Does that mean either are oppressed? No, it just means that evolution has made us that way. And now we are stuck in the simulation heading into a new time where new rules are set. And during times of change, there is complications and havoc. And leaders who makes choices always do mistakes. Through mistakes, we learn. So is feminism perfect? Far from it. Has feminism any positive sides? Most definitely! Can we generalize? Nope. Who is allowed to define feminism for us? It probably means different things to every single one of us. And then this entire discussion falls flat is utterly meaningless. The same can be said regarding manism.

Discussing neoliberalism may be a better idea. But I think we did 4 weeks ago.[/QUOTE]Last time (last month) I was in Sharks and Oase, felt like women are predators hunting for male victims.

[QUOTE=Gino02;2298592]Last time (last month) I was in Sharks and Oase, felt like women are predators hunting for male victims.[/QUOTE]Maybe. Maybe they weren't hunting men, but men's wallets?

[QUOTE=Gino02;2298592]Last time (last month) I was in Sharks and Oase, felt like women are predators hunting for male victims.[/QUOTE]Salaam Gino, did you ever feel a woman mentally undressing you? How debasing! With me they generally start with my turban and it takes too long and they give up.

[QUOTE=Chongmal;2298472]Any Cash based business is ripe for infiltration by the criminal element, regardless of how clean it seems on the front. It's easy to either infuse additional cash from criminal business efforts to clean it or to limit the cash earnings reported to a void taxes. All this said, I believe all the businesses involved in the sex industry have a heavy questionable element behind them.[/QUOTE]Yes both under ground, grey in between people and normal world in high level, but most of time, former some position like police or fed or family member of politician.

Sex industry is oppressed too, so easily targeted too, it got society's critic behind if you attack them, so easy to shake down.

Well sadly, we monger are benefiting from all this system, so as much as we do not want to believe, we are the receiving end of all this wheel of system they created for us.

[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2298561]1 - Being a sex predator is not something valuable.

2 - A man seeing himself as a sex predator (or like a seducer / womanizer and so on) and going in FKK's is like a dude going to a butcher shop and pretending he's a skilled hunter or like another one entering a fish shop and bragging to everyone that he's a pro fisher. You're not predating anything since you pay. You're a sex buyer, nothing else.[/QUOTE]It is all about how self righteous you are. You can think that you are the good guy walking into brothel, but from society point of view, it is perceived as same direction as sex predator or at least same direction.

One can say, it is on consensus based etc. I get that, but from most society point of view, mongers are perceived as same or same direction category as sex predator. Only difference I see is that legal format provide legal place for us to do same thing as sex predator guys do in open space, where as we do it in closed legal place.

It is bit like those people criticize about hunting, but they themselves are eating meat on daily basis too.

I understand the difference, but it is very thin line in between and from society point of view, sex predator and mongers are perceived as negative thing, it is about how self righteous you are to things.

I admit I am one kind of sex predator called monger, but only difference is that I do it in legal flame work like FKK or escort, that is the only difference between the two. Now you can point little detail about this and that, but what we want is the same as sex predator, it is just that we have discipline, brain and manner to do it in legal framework and we all here are willing to fly to other side of the world to do so LOL.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2298594]Maybe. Maybe they weren't hunting men, but men's wallets?[/QUOTE]Hunting for weak target with strong wallet.

[QUOTE=Gino02;2298589]... what if I'm too lazy to do my part on RTFF (Read The Fucking Forum) or too dumb to decide myself what I want? [/QUOTE]LOL. Then you should be too lazy or too dumb to ask the question in the first place because any answer wouldn't help you at all.

On a serious note, my post is addressed to any reader, not just FKK newbies, and hopefully helps the experienced or inexperienced readers.

Bfsie: Who owns sharks anyway? Oase is Italian owned, so the Turkish comment doesn't really fly there. Sharks also has many German staff personnel. And some Romanian. Oase mainly has Romanian, and a few other eastern Europeans personnel. Palace has mainly German receptionists, but also some eastern European staff like the pretty polish bartender. I believe Palace may be Turkish owned though. Same as Artemis in Berlin is. But I don't know if your stance applies to the Frankfurt area that much. The group of clubs with World, Finca and Mainhatten is rumored to be biker owned. But since I have barely gone to these clubs, I don't know which bikers. Germans? Turkish? Elsewhere?

As for nrw, it seems generally you are more spot on though. The German owned clubs management is stricter, while the turkish owned clubs are more loose. But then also better at recruitment.

I kinda feel the villach clubs have found a good middle ground here especially with wellcum. It being German owned, but with lots of Italian personnel. And some Romanian and Slovenian I think. Being the by far most pro club I have been to. Perhaps bar the top sauna routines at Sharks. I will check out Andiamo next week too and try and get a feel if that club falls into the same category. Hopefully it is making a comeback now that Marina got closed.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2298670]I admit I am one kind of sex predator called monger, but only difference is that I do it in legal framework like FKK or escort, that is the only difference between the two. Now you can point little detail about this and that, but what we want is the same as sex predator, it is just that we have discipline, brain and manner to do it in legal framework and we all here are willing to fly to other side of the world to do so LOL.[/QUOTE]I personally object to any consensual sexual relationship between two adults of sound mind and body being defined as "predatory" in any way, shape, or form. To me, again that's just allowing the feminists to dictate the tenor, tone, and definitions used in the conversation. I'm just not buying it and will not allow somebody else with their own agenda to define me as a "predator" or "sex trafficker". Nobody else, especially somebody who doesn't even know me, gets to tell me who and what I am in any aspect of my life, mongering or otherwise. They can say what they want to, but that doesn't mean I have to accept it or believe it. And often times, especially the older I get, I'm not even trying to hear it!

Who says predatory is bad? Evolution has made it advantageous for women to handpick the most predatory male specimens to give them children. So much so that it turns them on the more predatory men are. Because it then means their male offspring will also turn predatory. So in an evolutionary sense, predatory is highly positive. But of course, some people try to change this into a negative for their own cultist agendas. But mainly due to population control. So that is why it is easy to jump to the defense and claim we are not predatory. Although as mentioned above. Unless you are predatory, women shouldn't really want you due to lack of evolutionary benefits.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2298921]Who says predatory is bad? Evolution has made it advantageous for women to handpick the most predatory male specimens to give them children. So much so that it turns them on the more predatory men are. Because it then means their male offspring will also turn predatory. So in an evolutionary sense, predatory is highly positive. But of course, some people try to change this into a negative for their own cultist agendas. But mainly due to population control. So that is why it is easy to jump to the defense and claim we are not predatory. Although as mentioned above. Unless you are predatory, women shouldn't really want you due to lack of evolutionary benefits.[/QUOTE]Give them legal ground to suck cash legally out of male is more precise observation. It is most ancient hypnotize method that still works to most male population and it actually keep the society going this way especially capitalism society, but this is fundamental part of society to keep balance and keep the social system going efficiently until robots comes in to labor force more efficiently. Then we may consider installing basic income?

I admit I am predatory for beautiful girls, I love fucking them, but I do it in legal framework in legal brothel within legal age. I do it back home here and I am airborne too. I do not like to be limited with things that I like to do.