Bangkok Massage Parlors - Except TULIP and ANNIES!

[QUOTE=Canyon;1871154]Your post here goes to the very nature of this forum and the reason for its existence. In my view, the purpose of the forum is to exchange information and perhaps give each other news of top producers. Your comments seem to negate the purpose of the forum. You seem to say that you won't provide names of your favorites, because others will see them and they will be so busy that you will not be able to see them. My view is that I want to share information and also help the good performers get more customers[/QUOTE]An honest and positive review will help the ladies make more money; which is what they are in the business to do. Look at it as helping her out. It also helps steer fellow punters towards better P4 P experiences and away from the poor providers and tourist traps.

Where I part ways with some is detailing every aspect of the encounters. I can live without a blow by blow description of every insertion and excretion. I will just say the [I]LadyX[/I] at [I]LocationY[/I] was a lot of fun, preformed the typical GFE / PSE activities, and is worthy of consideration.

And the reality is the % bump in business she gets from a good ISG review pales in comparison to the to the number of customers she is already seeing.

SL.

[QUOTE=Canyon;1871154]EihTooms:

Your post here goes to the very nature of this forum and the reason for its existence. In my view, the purpose of the forum is to exchange information and perhaps give each other news of top producers. Your comments seem to negate the purpose of the forum. You seem to say that you won't provide names of your favorites, because others will see them and they will be so busy that you will not be able to see them. My view is that I want to share information and also help the good performers get more customers. In my case, I talk about good experiences, but I admit that I post after I leave Bangkok, so I will have plenty of time with them. However, I like to share the hidden treasure that I may have found to reward her and also share information, since I have learned so much from the forum myself. If everybody had your attitude, the forum would not be very useful.[/QUOTE]Well, here is one difference; I don't leave Bangkok. I live here. So when I find top performers to my taste my citing them specifically by location, hours of operation, name, badge number and so on, it will always be the case that I risk reducing my "plenty of time with them. " Bear in mind, my specific requirements to qualify for a "top performer" worthy of a glowing review as far as I am concerned includes a couple of details that most Thai P4 P girls would not consider standard "good" service but rather fairly special service reserved for someone with whom they have a certain chemistry, or so I am told by them and gather from the reports I read on these sites; bareback FS and BBBJ CIM + Swallow. Although it is entirely possible that some of the girls who deliver service like that to me do so for every guy who smiles at them and flashes 1000-2000 baht, I would not want to post online the exact identification of those girls who will do that for me. Your mileage will likely vary tremendously from mine, so that is why being so specific would be utterly useless, IMO.

But I tell you what I have done on this and other similar forums in terms of "sharing" and not being "selfish" and so on, putting myself on the chopping block for considerable flaming and ridicule along the way, but I do it anyway; that is to explain how anyone COULD improve his chances of getting bareback FS and / or BBBJ CIM + Swallow with a whole lot more Thai P4 P girls than one would suspect is up for it based on what is said in these forums. Isn't that enough? LOL. I mean, armed with that kind of "shared" information, you and anyone else can greatly improve your chances of getting what I would consider top performance from any P4 P girls you meet out there, no need to focus on my stable of sweeties. It generally comes down to abandoning so much initial focus on negotiating on price to save 500 baht or so and instead negotiating on actual acts for which your payment to the girl is fully conditional. And one of your conditions, if you really want to get what I consider top performance, would be FS no condom. Or BBBJ CIM + Swallow. It doesn't mean it will work every time with every customer and every girl. But you have to at least start asking.

You will find the overview on what I am talking about in my Posts #33419 and #33429 in the "Bangkok Reports" thread. Who else has posted a literal script for making WHATEVER it is that qualifies as top performance a greater possibility with more P4P girls other than me? LOL. I see it as the proverbial difference between handing someone a fish and teaching them to fish. Hand you my fish? No chance. Go out and catch your own fish, here's how. That sort of thing.

ET. No disrespect intended but you're not just being a little selfish but also naive for not 'sharing'. That's my one and only comment. :D.

[QUOTE=Sunlover2;1871183]An honest and positive review will help the ladies make more money; which is what they are in the business to do. Look at it as helping her out. It also helps steer fellow punters towards better P4 P experiences and away from the poor providers and tourist traps.

Where I part ways with some is detailing every aspect of the encounters. I can live without a blow by blow description of every insertion and excretion. I will just say the [I]LadyX[/I] at [I]LocationY[/I] was a lot of fun, preformed the typical GFE / PSE activities, and is worthy of consideration.

And the reality is the % bump in business she gets from a good ISG review pales in comparison to the to the number of customers she is already seeing.

SL.[/QUOTE]I agree with you for the most part. One of my more recent "positive" comments here (somewhere) and elsewhere was how pleased I have been in taking the "special" girls at Mandarin Bar (upstairs) in Nana Plaza for the increased barfine of 1,500 baht vs the usual 700 baht. I was fairly explicit about why I found the extra 800 baht cost to the bar to be worth it, but didn't go into graphic detail, name or list the badge numbers of the specific girls I took. But I did impart the info that I suspected the "special" girls in that bar, with the "special" barfine, were up for more of a REAL GFE than most other go-go bar girls I have encountered recently. But that still requires that you ask and make such a request conditional to you barfining them at all. There is no such thing as "this particular girl will" or anything of the kind.

You see, so much of the time these girls will deliver the kind of top performance service that I would require in order to even give a glowing positive review of them on the premise, don't laugh, that as they put it they will do those things FOR ME, but won't do them for just any customer. True or not, I must still respect that. Ok, so you see the dilemma here. Let's assume it really was only for me and maybe 5 other guys over the past couple of months. So the word gets out that Nam, #1234 at Slurpies Go-Go Bar, will fuck sans condom and the next thing you know a dozen guys are hitting up Nam, #1234 at Slurpies Go-Go Bar for bareback FS because, you know, they read about it on the 'net. Uh-huh. You see where this goes, right? Nam starts reviewing the 6 guys on her Line contact list who she has fucked bareback in the past few weeks and now I'm on her shit list. Along with 5 other guys. LOL.

So, it just doesn't work that way when we're dealing with what I have stated pretty clearly is what I consider worthy of a glowing review of a specific girl rather than a certain category of girls in a particular bar or venue, as in what I reported regarding Mandarin Bar (upstairs) in Nana Plaza.

[QUOTE=Traveler1234;1871297]ET. No disrespect intended but you're not just being a little selfish but also naive for not 'sharing'. That's my one and only comment. :D.[/QUOTE]Ok, Traveler1234, just for you I will reveal the location, names and badge numbers of a few girls working Bangkok this very minute who are young, slender, cute as buttons, have delightfully sweet dispositions, are always eager to please, keep themselves shaved and groomed to perfection, have from our first meeting given me BBFS without hesitation, about 1/3 of the time will initiate BBBJ that always culminates in CIM + Swallowing every drop and with a smile.

And those little honeys are. Nope, can't do it. Just wouldn't be prudent. ;)

[QUOTE=EihTooms]And the question still remains why in the world would I want her to be so busy with strangers I have touted her to all over the internet that unless I show up at precisely the right time early in the evening or happen to catch her between customers on a fluke, I won't even get to see her that often anymore? [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Canyon]Your post here goes to the very nature of this forum and the reason for its existence. In my view, the purpose of the forum is to exchange information and perhaps give each other news of top producers. Your comments seem to negate the purpose of the forum. [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Traveler1234;1871297]ET. No disrespect intended but you're not just being a little selfish but also naive for not 'sharing'. That's my one and only comment. :D.[/QUOTE]My own attitude is that it's all good, and there is no reason to get all worked up about EihTooms position.

I don't think that [U]the reason for the existence of this forum[/U] is to provide other mongers with details of exactly how to find a very specific girl who provides very specific services. Quite honestly, I don't care about how you managed to get a three-hole romp for 1000 be with Lek from Baccara at 10 pm on a Wednesday night. That is not going to happen to me, even with the very same girl. Canyon, you were very cautious in your wording, and so I think you agree with this.

I'm not Jackson, so I can't tell you what the purpose of this forum is, but to me, the purpose is to help me navigate the complex world of mongering. That's a very broad definition. Here are some things that I personally appreciate reading about on this forum:

1. Details of a successful encounter. Yes, they're helpful, though not the only helpful thing.

2. Details of a failed encounter very helpful, actually. Especially if there is an accompanying analysis for why things went south.

3. Details on how to get to a remote establishment. This is often the single most helpful thing for newbies. Whenever I go to a new location, I find it very stressful finding the locations.

4. Details of what the local customs are for procuring services. Is there a line-up? How do you pick? What categories of girls are there (like in a soapie), etc.

5. What the general expectations for payment are. This is obvious and very important.

6. What the local taboos are what you cannot get, what you should not ask for, etc.

And there are many other things too. A quick perusal of EihTooms' posting history reveals that he hits many of these categories, so it's not as if he is a freeloader. I'm cool with whatever others are comfortable sharing.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;1871301]You see, so much of the time these girls will deliver the kind of top performance service that I would require in order to even give a glowing positive review of them on the premise, don't laugh, that as they put it they will do those things FOR ME, but won't do them for just any customer.[/QUOTE]I agree with this. Too many punter expect to EXATLY REPLICATE the experiences of others. Not possible as the ladies are not sex robots. That is why I prefer to point them in the right direction providing enough general generic information for someone with any sort of [I]game[/I] to blaze their own happy trail.

SL.

[QUOTE=Sunlover2;1871373]I agree with this. Too many punter expect to EXACTLY REPLICATE the experiences of others. ....[/QUOTE]Spot on, Sunlover. Worse, some guys are a little too precariously balanced on the edge of, uh, reality. Some get upset with the lady who does not exactly repeat a performance that somebody wrote up.

We had a contributor, Paul somebody (Krasch?) who noted this point. Not everyone who reads our words is playing with a full deck and too much detail is not a great idea. I give / take most of what I laughing think of as "advice" via PM. There are options for sharing info.

And please let's not get into (another) tiresome discussion of the "purpose" of the forum. It is what it is!

Kumbu and Sunlover2, your two most recent posts below hit the nail on the head very well, I believe. Especially the parts about nobody being able to exactly replicate the conditions that got you that very special service from a girl. It certainly isn't ever, ever, ever going to be that this particular girl does this that and the other things (talking about something "special", not the bland conventional), just go get her. Not for the special top level service anyway. For the standard lick around the edges, slip on a condom, she pops open her legs and waits kind of service, pointing punters in the direction to get that kind of service is easy; it is virtually everywhere in Bangkok. No forum is necessary for that. And there are plenty of guys for whom that is just fine and dandy.

But when it comes to getting something much better than that, to expect me or anyone else to just point to certain girls in certain venues and say, yeah, that girl WILL do this, that and the other thing for you with a great attitude is utterly unrealistic. Two of the worst P4 P experiences I have ever had anywhere were with highly touted girls in Cherry and Bamboo massage! Which also goes to underscore that the notion of simply pointing to a girl who supposedly WILL do what I am talking about as "special" service is contrary to my whole point about HOW one improves upon the likelihood of getting it with almost any and all girls. I firmly believe that it is my presentation and approach to asking for "special" service that creates the chemistry and the girl's willingness to do it rather than that I just stumbled onto a small pot of gold today. At least, I can't think of many times if ever where I got anything close to the service I have alluded to and require to be considered tops without applying some elements of my preferred methods to achieving it instead of just stumbling into it by accident. And I can most definitely assure you it never happened because someone else on an internet forum pointed to a girl and said, yeah, she will do this and that for you because she did all of that for me.

[QUOTE=Franciscass;1870517]I am not so sure Goatscrot every working girl has to provide a complete range of services. What is important though is that what is and is not provided is clearly known in advance. It's then up to the customer to decide where to spend his money. It's possible some who provide a limited range of services will still be successful due to their looks and a sort of nice girl persona but a girl who for example refuses her tits being touched, has an issue with DATY or refuses even light kissing will soon find her looks and personality are not enough to get by on. Again I go back to the issue of management of venues being most important in whether customers are happy or not. The house menu should have each provider's range of services clearly stated whether there are extra charges for some services and which services are not available from that particular girl. He should be asked on his way out whether he was satisfied with the girl and he should not be shy about voicing his dissatisfaction if he wasn't. Sadly this interest in customer satisfaction is more the exception than the norm and the excuses some members keep regurgitating for owners of venues with below standard services is difficult to understand.[/QUOTE]Some of the more Asian oriented oilies still provide a list of services each girl provides. They are usually indicated by a certain shape; yes, no, or maybe. Seems that the number of shops that provide this has declined in the last few years, Addict used to have this but does not anymore, and my guess is that gals who did not provide certain services were not selected so much and did not want it to be known what they would and would not do. Why not? Simple, most dudes will really not complain that much if something is not done. They will just leave unhappy, not tell the mamasan, and not return. And frankly the majority of gals and shop owners really don't care.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;1871401]Kumbu and Sunlover2, your two most recent posts below hit the nail on the head very well, I believe. Especially the parts about nobody being able to exactly replicate the conditions that got you that very special service from a girl. It certainly isn't ever, ever, ever going to be that this particular girl does this that and the other things (talking about something "special", not the bland conventional), just go get her. Not for the special top level service anyway. For the standard lick around the edges, slip on a condom, she pops open her legs and waits kind of service, pointing punters in the direction to get that kind of service is easy; it is virtually everywhere in Bangkok. No forum is necessary for that. And there are plenty of guys for whom that is just fine and dandy.

But when it comes to getting something much better than that, to expect me or anyone else to just point to certain girls in certain venues and say, yeah, that girl WILL do this, that and the other thing for you with a great attitude is utterly unrealistic. Two of the worst P4 P experiences I have ever had anywhere were with highly touted girls in Cherry and Bamboo massage! Which also goes to underscore that the notion of simply pointing to a girl who supposedly WILL do what I am talking about as "special" service is contrary to my whole point about HOW one improves upon the likelihood of getting it with almost any and all girls. I firmly believe that it is my presentation and approach to asking for "special" service that creates the chemistry and the girl's willingness to do it rather than that I just stumbled onto a small pot of gold today. At least, I can't think of many times if ever where I got anything close to the service I have alluded to and require to be considered tops without applying some elements of my preferred methods to achieving it instead of just stumbling into it by accident. And I can most definitely assure you it never happened because someone else on an internet forum pointed to a girl and said, yeah, she will do this and that for you because she did all of that for me.[/QUOTE]YMMV certainly comes into play, but I must point out here that the early days of Tulip, Snow, and Mango were exceptions. I never really had a bad session. Most were excellent, some just a little off, but nothing that I would complain about. Tulip's performance standards have kept up but the looks have really declined. About the only other venue that has seen such a steep decline is BG Soi 7.

[QUOTE=LoveHole69;1870701]I left Thailand last year but have thought for ages now the good old days are long gone.

But I still like to read reports by people like Goatscrot, Syzgies etc which I feel contain a lot of useful information, but its like someone said why are people only posting negative stuff and then people answer they want to keep great girls secret, but then that defeats the point of the forum and I remember back years ago people did post loads of reports of great performers and it didn't matter because there were always loads of new ones to be found. I'm going to give reasons though why Bangkok now is not really a great place any more for mongering, first a little of this is because people get older and then their perception changes. 10 years ago I was so horny I would bang almost anything and enjoy it as long as they gave a great service with willingness also a lot of the ladies in the PSE shops are now not young for instance Yok her service was great but I didn't get very horny because of her now fatter loose body and lets face it if her sponsor hadn't traded her in she wouldn't be working, it seems there is not so much fresh and great talent which people on here keep discussing but there are reasons for this and its likely to become only more common. One big reason some one listed was all the rich Koreans etc coming spending a lot for bad service, but that's the tip of the iceberg Bangkok is now expensive the price of a lot of stuff is more than I pay in Europe and the girls who came to the PSE shops like snow white used to be indebted to people like Nong and other owners who would lend them large sums of money which would then be payed back with them working in the PSE shops almost like a sexual slavery which guaranteed the girls did their best without much complaint. Then finally a lot is said now about training being poorer, the funny thing is ladies like Dao who were such good trainers are not even into westerners and have the usual men the husband and you suspect as these ladies get older they aren't going to want to pass on their skills to new ladies who are only going to be completion to them. Why they did in the past I'm not sure of, maybe someone with more knowledge than me can chime in on this subject? People here have to remember the PSE shops are going to be more lax with training now because the owners of these shops have long since made their millions and them and their family's have started diversifying into other business and used their wealth to buy into other positions of higher privileged.[/QUOTE]Great insight. I do think as the owners build up more wealth their interest has waned. I do think there are other things coming into play here as well. I still place the blame squarely at the feet of the punter. If most guys demanded good service then it would be delivered. The other is the proliferation of shops which makes it tough for shops that demand PSE service to hang onto good looking gals as they can go elsewhere and do less.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;1871281]Well, here is one difference; I don't leave Bangkok. I live here. So when I find top performers to my taste my citing them specifically by location, hours of operation, name, badge number and so on, it will always be the case that I risk reducing my "plenty of time with them. " Bear in mind, my specific requirements to qualify for a "top performer" worthy of a glowing review as far as I am concerned includes a couple of details that most Thai P4 P girls would not consider standard "good" service but rather fairly special service reserved for someone with whom they have a certain chemistry, or so I am told by them and gather from the reports I read on these sites; bareback FS and BBBJ CIM + Swallow. Although it is entirely possible that some of the girls who deliver service like that to me do so for every guy who smiles at them and flashes 1000-2000 baht, I would not want to post online the exact identification of those girls who will do that for me. Your mileage will likely vary tremendously from mine, so that is why being so specific would be utterly useless, IMO.

But I tell you what I have done on this and other similar forums in terms of "sharing" and not being "selfish" and so on, putting myself on the chopping block for considerable flaming and ridicule along the way, but I do it anyway; that is to explain how anyone COULD improve his chances of getting bareback FS and / or BBBJ CIM + Swallow with a whole lot more Thai P4 P girls than one would suspect is up for it based on what is said in these forums. Isn't that enough? LOL. I mean, armed with that kind of "shared" information, you and anyone else can greatly improve your chances of getting what I would consider top performance from any P4 P girls you meet out there, no need to focus on my stable of sweeties. It generally comes down to abandoning so much initial focus on negotiating on price to save 500 baht or so and instead negotiating on actual acts for which your payment to the girl is fully conditional. And one of your conditions, if you really want to get what I consider top performance, would be FS no condom. Or BBBJ CIM + Swallow. It doesn't mean it will work every time with every customer and every girl. But you have to at least start asking.

You will find the overview on what I am talking about in my Posts #33419 and #33429 in the "Bangkok Reports" thread. Who else has posted a literal script for making WHATEVER it is that qualifies as top performance a greater possibility with more P4P girls other than me? LOL. I see it as the proverbial difference between handing someone a fish and teaching them to fish. Hand you my fish? No chance. Go out and catch your own fish, here's how. That sort of thing.[/QUOTE]Guess I am a bit on the fence on this issue. I certainly see both sides of the issue. When it comes to GoGo gals and FLs I tend to side with ET, but with oily gals I think sharing the wealth is the way to go. Personally I have seen gal's be a bit hard to book when mentioned on this forum. But that is temporary.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;1871401]Kumbu and Sunlover2, your two most recent posts below hit the nail on the head very well, I believe. Especially the parts about nobody being able to exactly replicate the conditions that got you that very special service from a girl. It certainly isn't ever, ever, ever going to be that this particular girl does this that and the other things <SNIP> . . . .[/QUOTE]One of the most significant things that has changed from the elusive "good old days" is that women are now feeling more EMPOWERED to make a choice about what they will and will not do.

I know this word "empowered" can enrage many guys who have extensive mongering CVs and can remember (and still expect) to find submissive women who will do whatever they wish and expect.

The reality of the modern world is that women today know that they have a choice. Whether they choose to provide what you hope for depends a lot on you, and, as ET notes, you cannot expect the girl to be a robot able to be programmed to your wishes.

The problems most often occur when so-called "promises" are made in the preliminaries but the promises are either broken, forgotten or changed during the main event. This will naturally cause a lot of angst for the customer as he feels he has been mislead, and rightly so too.

As with any transaction, you just have to do your due diligence in advance (during the "preliminaries" as I said earlier) but above all treat the woman as a real person who has her own level of dignity as well.

Read the Swedish novel "Box 21", by Anders Roslund and Borge Hellestrom (Yes. Dual Swedish authors who write in a similar vein to Stieg Larsson) if you want to learn about guys who expect women to be available to satisfy all of their wishes.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1871408]Guess I am a bit on the fence on this issue. I certainly see both sides of the issue. When it comes to GoGo gals and FLs I tend to side with ET, but with oily gals I think sharing the wealth is the way to go. Personally I have seen gal's be a bit hard to book when mentioned on this forum. But that is temporary.[/QUOTE]If someone posts about a great girl he found but won't name her and where he found her and why she was great, who gives a fuck that he found her, as it is useless information since the rest of us won't be able to experience her for ourselves. It 's just boasting that he knows something that others don't know, so it would be better for him to not post it all.