German FKK Clubs - Lounge and chat area

[QUOTE=TheCane;2298835]I personally object to any consensual sexual relationship between two adults of sound mind and body being defined as "predatory" in any way, shape, or form. To me, again that's just allowing the feminists to dictate the tenor, tone, and definitions used in the conversation. I'm just not buying it and will not allow somebody else with their own agenda to define me as a "predator" or "sex trafficker". Nobody else, especially somebody who doesn't even know me, gets to tell me who and what I am in any aspect of my life, mongering or otherwise. They can say what they want to, but that doesn't mean I have to accept it or believe it. And often times, especially the older I get, I'm not even trying to hear it![/QUOTE]We all got job to do and feminist need to put food on table by pointing finger at somebody to keep their existence in society we live in and what they do actually is supported by masses and unfortunately we mongers are the minority here hidden in shadow, but hey in life, in shadow is where the fun is. I mean I never would end up in some washed out rather dull car garage suburb area of German town or middle of German country side if there is place called FKK there LOL!

Many people do not know and only if they know is how I feel often, I just keep my mouth shut because I know and I experienced it like some of you mongers have. Many people do not like or denounce what they do not know or do not understand and what I do is out of society norm, so if I openly talk about it outside forum, I know I will be criticized and called many things and names like sex predator or whatever LOL. People are sensitive to these topics because it is in our education to obey and society norm often implant into our brain is that liberty in sex is not a good thing. Even on forum, there are many mongers who like to self justify what they do for hobby.

So yes, what we do is legal, we pay, and it is on consensus basis, but I have personality to give more accurate observation to what is going on and I realize and admit that I am one of major part of this sex supply life cycle, maybe most important part, which is demand. There is demand, so supplier supply us girls and legal format. Girls do it with their will due to their harsh situation that life has given to them, so even it is legal, I tend to think what we seek for as outcome and result is same as those metoo sex predator. Only difference is we can control ourselves and do what we want legally by flying to other side of world even to accomplish what we sexually want.

What we want to do as outcome is same as sex predator, we want sex but how we do that is the main difference and why we mongers are not press charged because we control ourselves and remain disciplined to do this legally.

I am sure if I join metoo demonstration saying to demonstrators, I am here to protest against these sex predators because I do what they do but I do it legally in German brothel, I think they most likely categorize me as same as sex predators LOL.

This is sensitive topic because society educate us this way and these protesters and masses that support them tend to be very radical in their way of thinking too.

Well I just keep on fucking beauties here and there in legal framework while these men remain frustrated in their life style of limited sex. I just hope they leave us mongers alone. Well we mongers are multi functional managed to find our heaven even in far land of Germany, so we mongers will always find way to young girls beautiful pussies and for you anal senpai cane LOL!

We mongers are the delta force, we are not just normal rangers LOL!

[QUOTE=Pistons;2298810]Bfsie: Who owns sharks anyway? Oase is Italian owned, so the Turkish comment doesn't really fly there. Sharks also has many German staff personnel. And some Romanian. Oase mainly has Romanian, and a few other eastern Europeans personnel. Palace has mainly German receptionists, but also some eastern European staff like the pretty polish bartender. I believe Palace may be Turkish owned though. Same as Artemis in Berlin is. But I don't know if your stance applies to the Frankfurt area that much. The group of clubs with World, Finca and Mainhatten is rumored to be biker owned. But since I have barely gone to these clubs, I don't know which bikers. Germans? Turkish? Elsewhere?

As for nrw, it seems generally you are more spot on though. The German owned clubs management is stricter, while the turkish owned clubs are more loose. But then also better at recruitment.

I kinda feel the villach clubs have found a good middle ground here especially with wellcum. It being German owned, but with lots of Italian personnel. And some Romanian and Slovenian I think. Being the by far most pro club I have been to. Perhaps bar the top sauna routines at Sharks. I will check out Andiamo next week too and try and get a feel if that club falls into the same category. Hopefully it is making a comeback now that Marina got closed.[/QUOTE]I said "mainly Turkish or ethnic German", If you want to get into the detail, I should say ethnic German or non-ethnic German, which includes Dutch by the way. The club staffs don't make the club culture and the owner does, so the only thing that matters with regards to WG's service is the owner of the club. Just for the record I have never been to any club in Frankfurt area, Austria, Netherlands and Switzerland, but my view in my post applies to any club in Germany, Austria, Netherlands or Switzerland. When a club is located in a tourist area like in Frankfurt or near Italian-Austrian border, it will get some distraction in terms of WG's service, even owned by ethnic German, because much higher percentage of club goers are tourists who maybe visit there once in life time, so the WG's service becomes less important for their business. The clubs in NRW, on which we agree with each other, are much more representative of my view without the distraction I mentioned above.

Pistons, I actually welcome your frequent disagreements with me like this one as long as they clearly and sensibly make your points, because they give me the opportunity to explain my views thoroughly. But please write your posts clearly and easy to understand like this one, and don't make any argument for the argument sake like going to FKK for you is to aid the WGs, then I have no interest to discuss with you.

[QUOTE=Bfsie;2299132] like this one, and don't make any argument for the argument sake like going to FKK for you is to aid the WGs[/QUOTE]Not going to derail this further. But there is a difference in aiding the WG's, and considering payments as aid. One is ad hoc. The other one is post hoc. And an argument for arguments sake is just a common illusion one gets when disagreeing with someone.

If a person writes or says something. Anything. There will always be 33% who thinks he or she is a complete idiot by saying what is said. 33% mainly agrees with him or her, or think it adds something. While 33% doesn't care at all. That's just life. There are ways around these numbers. But mainly requiring alternative secondary channels.

Edit: It is also not to aid the WG's as per say. But aid to the girls. Where the transaction medium is the WG's part. Like giving prize money to an athlete.

[QUOTE=Bfsie;2299132]I actually welcome your frequent disagreements with me like this one as long as they clearly and sensibly make your points, because they give me the opportunity to explain my views thoroughly. But please write your posts clearly and easy to understand like this one, and don't make any argument for the argument sake like going to FKK for you is to aid the WGs, then I have no interest to discuss with you.[/QUOTE]I've tried and determine it's not possible due to decades psychological trauma.

"Little Brother Syndrome: When one person feels they have a rivalry with another far superior person.

This definition of Little Brother Syndrome may be related to, or even a consequence of another definition of Little Brother Syndrome wherein a person vies for attention to make up for feeling under-appreciated. "

[QUOTE=Pistons;2298921]Who says predatory is bad? Evolution has made it advantageous for women to handpick the most predatory male specimens to give them children. So much so that it turns them on the more predatory men are. Because it then means their male offspring will also turn predatory. So in an evolutionary sense, predatory is highly positive. But of course, some people try to change this into a negative for their own cultist agendas. But mainly due to population control. So that is why it is easy to jump to the defense and claim we are not predatory. Although as mentioned above. Unless you are predatory, women shouldn't really want you due to lack of evolutionary benefits.[/QUOTE]As is so often the case, your pet theories here are really just rationalizations to justify your own selfish impulses.

By your logic r_ape should be impossible. Because, after all, r_apists are the ultimate sexual predators. And you claim women are turned on "the more predatory men are. " So women should be turned on by r_apists more than any other men. But if they are maximally turned on, and so maximally attracted, how can it be r_ape?

This is clearly absurd. The premise that leads to this absurdity is your notion that predatory activity by men turns on women.

Do you know any actual women?

But more to the point, do you know anything about actual science? There are all manner of genetic adaptations that steer our species towards cooperative social behavior. Examples include our capacity for language and other complex social behaviors, instinctual drives to protect children including other people's children, and our capacity for empathy and a "theory of mind" in others.

I'd be more tolerant of your poorly informed opinions if they weren't delivered in such an overly confident condescending manner.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2298921]Evolution has made it advantageous for women to handpick the most predatory male specimens to give them children. So much so that it turns them on the more predatory men are. Because it then means their male offspring will also turn predatory. So in an evolutionary sense, predatory is highly positive.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Neurosynth;2299322]
This is clearly absurd. The premise that leads to this absurdity is your notion that predatory activity by men turns on women.
[/QUOTE]Yeah, it's absurd and it's paradoxical but there's a lot of truth to it and that's what makes women so hard to understand and life hard to understand.

One thing women are attracted to is a guy who can bargain well. It's because they perceive that in a capitalist society, or pretty much any society for the past few thousand years, negotiating skill confers wealth. It isn't enough for a guy to be rich if the qualities of wealth accumulation cannot be passed onto the offspring. So many girls enjoy testing a guy by bargaining over stuff (services like BBBJ being one example). The paradoxical thing is that she is more turned on if she ends up with a bad deal than a good deal. In this way bargaining with a girl is totally different than bargaining with a guy and it will screw with your head if you do not understand it. It certainly makes nonsense out of game theory or any theory that assumes all parties are seeking the best deals for themselves. You have to widen the context beyond immediate selfishness and see the big evolutionary picture.

The saddest thing is that all this makes women vulnerable to exploitation by a**holes like loverboys who give them the worst deal possible.

The appendix in our bodies reminds us that evolution isn't always up-to-date.

[QUOTE=Bfsie;2299132]The club staffs don't make the club culture and the owner does, so the only thing that matters with regards to WG's service is the owner of the club.[/QUOTE]In some clubs girls take big part in making club culture too. Like at Artemis, owner had good control over girls in positive sense of word, but after massive raid and arrest, girls tend to be more free and took control of the club culture at Artemis. I think this is partly due to defense mechanism of the owner because investigation leading to arrest first began by one of the girl giving information to authority, which much later turned out to be mostly false on part of this girl, she mostly did that to get back on owner and also boyfriend reportedly biker who was trying to dump her. So naturally, after such big raid by police, arrest and held in jail for bogus charges for long time followed by court cases, if you are the owner, you will be careful about how you deal with girls, so now girls are much more free to do whatever they want in such club where there is no order any more.

This is sad because order that was there before was mild one with discipline, so it is not like media tried to portrayed. Good thing is girls do have their own way to keep some kind of order in club to make clients come back, but for those who knew the golden days, it is still miserable to accept some of the deals girls offer. You can still find reasonable deal which serve both parties because some girls are still fair enough, but for me what is annoying is all this negotiation before each session, it is almost like arguing with con man trying to hustle you into some fraud as if you do not know FKK.

All in all, it is what it is and we monger just have to deal with it and we do still get what we want after annoying negotiations, so still it is not one sided deal as long as you negotiate for each things you want to do. I still miss and love the golden days of FKK where there was set house rule both clients and girls agreed, this was total fair trade era of FKK, now it is out there to negotiate.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2299205]Edit: It is also not to aid the WG's as per say. But aid to the girls. Where the transaction medium is the WG's part. Like giving prize money to an athlete.[/QUOTE]Exactly! If all the girls (and guys) in the world understood how good of a sport active sex is for both body and mind, the world would be so much happier healthier place, and much less violence. We mongers are the pioneers to that Great New World, happy to both sponsor the sex sports and partake in it.

Maybe it can even solve America's (and world's) obesity problem in 5-10 years?

[QUOTE=Gino02;2299382]Exactly! If all the girls (and guys) in the world understood how good of a sport active sex is for both body and mind, the world would be so much happier healthier place, and much less violence. We mongers are the pioneers to that Great New World, happy to both sponsor the sex sports and partake in it.

Maybe it can even solve America's (and world's) obesity problem in 5-10 years?[/QUOTE]Most of us think like that, but they tend to think the opposite. It was like this, it is like this and it will always be like this. The system is design to sustain society and liberal acts of sex is not good for such system. At least, solution is provided because enforcing side also are in need of liberal sex too.

[QUOTE=Polyamorist;2299335]Yeah, it's absurd and it's paradoxical but there's a lot of truth to it and that's what makes women so hard to understand and life hard to understand.

One thing women are attracted to is a guy who can bargain well. It's because they perceive that in a capitalist society, or pretty much any society for the past few thousand years, negotiating skill confers wealth. It isn't enough for a guy to be rich if the qualities of wealth accumulation cannot be passed onto the offspring. So many girls enjoy testing a guy by bargaining over stuff (services like BBBJ being one example). The paradoxical thing is that she is more turned on if she ends up with a bad deal than a good deal. In this way bargaining with a girl is totally different than bargaining with a guy and it will screw with your head if you do not understand it. It certainly makes nonsense out of game theory or any theory that assumes all parties are seeking the best deals for themselves.[/QUOTE]Well put response. My comment there was meant to create a bit of fuzz. Because of it paradoxical nature. But truth is, quite a few girls does get turned on by these things Neurosynth petitions about. Something which seems like madness from a guys point of view having been brought up in Europe or USA the past 50 years.

However, I do know girls outside of FKK's even too. LOL. And have spotted some of these absurdities, or kinks in women. I believe they are ingrained in the subconscious mind from very long ago. Several tens of thousand, if not hundred of thousands of years ago. Due to the rations I gave.

However, teaching about these kind of things is what can ban you from entering so called 'liberal' countries like Australia. LOL! Like the american renowned pick up artist Julien Blanc got to experience.

[URL]https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2014/nov/07/protesters-force-us-pick-up-artist-julien-blanc-to-quit-australian-tour[/URL]

And yes, these things are backed by anthropological studies as well.

The idea is that it is evolutionary advantageous for women to get r_aped. Perhaps due to gene spread instead of one male inseminating all the females. Something which would easily lead to inbreeding. This is shown here in a study that shows how females who got targeted without their will, had a significantly higher change of getting pregnant than the women who wanted to have sex:

[URL]https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs12110-003-1014-0[/URL]

Another theory talks about how female psychopathy and sexual arousal towards being beaten (a male never beats more than the bare minimum in order to have sex) has evolutionary advantageous for the females babies. Because men will choose her if she enjoys that type of sex. And because her offspring will be males who r_ape, and women with the same psychopathic tendencies, or kinks.

[QUOTE=Gino02;2299382]Exactly! If all the girls (and guys) in the world understood how good of a sport active sex is for both body and mind, the world would be so much happier healthier place, and much less violence. We mongers are the pioneers to that Great New World, happy to both sponsor the sex sports and partake in it.

Maybe it can even solve America's (and world's) obesity problem in 5-10 years?[/QUOTE]Indeed. Think of it as a stipend given to top athletes. However, in retrospect to having shown talent in the first place and having been picked up by a college.

Or just as a stipend given to a doctorate student who wants to pursue his furthering of his or hers educational career.

Or as a grant given with ingenious entrepreneurial ideas. Also after the application for the grant is made.

In all cases, there is a high propensity for post hoc aid, or grants as opposed to ad hoc.

And the idea is evolutionary positive in regards to Darwinism and the human species.

Plus what you said.

[QUOTE=Gino02;2299382]Exactly! If all the girls (and guys) in the world understood how good of a sport active sex is for both body and mind, the world would be so much happier healthier place, and much less violence. We mongers are the pioneers to that Great New World, happy to both sponsor the sex sports and partake in it.

Maybe it can even solve America's (and world's) obesity problem in 5-10 years?[/QUOTE]From my real life experiences with nearly 20 years with different girlfriends and also speaking with their girl friends, or women at work or when doing sport, I learned usually women are not running for sex, but they are running when they get pleasure. If a guy is able to give pleasure to his girl, most of time she will ask him for again, she will not tell about headache or period, even had bloody rooms at Mainhattan, Globe and GT where little fire screamed when seeing her blood on my face. Some WGs know with who they get pleasure, maybe why they return first to these guys.

About prostitution, it is a social role in society, men need sex, I need pleasure.

[QUOTE=Gino02;2299382]Exactly! If all the girls (and guys) in the world understood how good of a sport active sex is for both body and mind, the world would be so much happier healthier place, and much less violence. [/QUOTE]Yes, but they will never understand because they are too caught up in so called society norms that are installed during our upbringing in school, media and several areas of societies in general. It is form of brainwash that take away ability to think for themselves. But some mongers managed to realize something wrong and began thinking for themselves for their well being.

However, this almost brainwash conducted by society to masses are good thing to sustain society. Without it, society won't be able to sustain its social securities, balance etc. Whoever thought about this system is genius and they did allow escape path, where we mongers can play and be free too, so it is all fair enough system if one can think for themselves and have will to explore it. I guess the ones who made this system too wanted to do that, so left the escape path.

[QUOTE=Gino02;2299382]Maybe it can even solve America's (and world's) obesity problem in 5-10 years?[/QUOTE]Like it did for Ron Jeremy?