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[QUOTE=PinkPearl;1468746]Maybe he "blacked out", which can be caused by beer, drugs, medicines or any food or drink. Therefore it does not require that someone else "spiked him". Maybe he spiked himself. BTW he certainly looks like a candidate for steroid use.[/QUOTE]Classic Pink Pearl. The king of speculation. I guess he spiked himself right before he took himself to a hotel room off Walking Street (never mind that he never lodges anywhere near Walking Street the 6+ times/year that he is in Pattaya) and robbed himself huh? Steroids? This man is a war veteran and goes to the gym every damn day. You remind me of the dumb asses on Thai Visa who always seem to post a comment right after reading the headline and without ever reading the article. Keep trolling dude.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1469059]Classic Pink Pearl. I guess he spiked himself right before he took himself to a hotel room and robbed himself huh? Steroids? This man is a war veteran and goes to the gym every damn day. You remind me of the dumb asses on Thai Visa who always seem to post a comment right after reading the headline and without ever reading the article. Keep trolling dude.[/QUOTE]I am reading what you said & this stuff about a hotel room & being robbed is new. Was he unconscious at the time he was robbed? Was he on a session with a working girl? What was he doing at the hotel? Did he commit a rookie mistake to get himself spiked? Since he blacked out and can't remember what happened, could he have also forgotten that he took drugged food or drink from a working girl, or licked her breasts or the like? Yes. Normally people who are spiked are rendered unconscious & then robbed, not wandering all over town butt naked abducting people & then claiming amnesia later. And, again, a person can experience such a blackout or amnesia without being spiked by another person, Thai or other nationality.

[QUOTE=Gajith;1467942]after bath she was asking me for the 1. 5 K upfront. she told she want to go by 6 am in the morning. She told Oral & Fuck will be with Condom only. yelling at me she want to go back with 1. 5 K[/QUOTE]Sounds like she was testing you for softness from the very beginning. Sometimes a session just goes without bad intent, but in this case it seems like she was deliberately out to scam you.

These days I'm quick to cancel the deal before it's consummated if any of the fundamentals are questioned early on. One strike I usually gloss over (as long as the girl is conciliatory and has a generally good vibe) , but two strikes (upfront fee, asking to go back early) or especially and it should be a quick cancellation with maybe a 200 baht parting fee. In other words, you could have seen it coming.

Once a conflict arises, don't get other Thais involved, it won't go in your favor. If the situation is adversarial, your goal is to kick her out of the door with minimal payment. Negotiate with all your clothes on (and insist on her being dressed too). Start out very low. If you offer 500 baht and stick with that for a while, then when you pay her 1000 she'll think she WON 500 instead of losing the same amount down from 1500. As long as she's paid _something_ semi-reasonable (even just 500 baht for the half of the ST) , once she's out of your room the chance of her calling someone to escalate it further is very small. Of course, if she's high on drugs, no way of predicting.

Giving her 1500 for nothing might have been a good idea once the thing escalated (with the receptionist and motorcycle guys). But in the long term it will only serve to encourage her to do this again to the next guy.

[QUOTE=PinkPearl; 1469053]Is there a source for the alleged quote? It, BTW, does not state what you describe.

Is there any evidence the guy with a "working girl" of Thailand before he blacked out?

If he was with such a girl did he commit a rookie mistake with her to get himself drugged by her? Highly probable.[/QUOTE][url]Http://www.pattaya-funtown.com/news.html[/url]

Police were called to a 24 hour convenience store in South Pattaya in the early hours of Thursday following reports of a naked foreign man who had taken a Thai Woman hostage.

Officers arrived at the branch of 7-Eleven on the Pratamnuk Road close to the VC Hotel, and managed to detain the man, who called himself Ken from America. He refused to give his full name or age.

Also at the scene was Khun Sirirat aged 38 who works as a cashier at a Walking Street Bar. She told Police that she was on her way home when she came across the American who appeared in a confused state and was naked.

She approached him to offer assistance when she was grabbed around the neck and dragged inside the shop where she was held hostage for a time. She attempted to release herself from his grip and was punched in the mouth causing her to lose a front tooth.

Khun Sirirat later joined the American at Pattaya Police Station where Police decided to lock him up until later in the morning. Police suspect he was under the influence of some form of narcotic which may have been administered without his knowledge inside a Hotel room. They think he then made his way out onto the street where the incident involving the cashier occurred.

The investigation will continue later on Thursday.

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[QUOTE=RacShack;1468043]Does it put the beach and sun out all together or will I be able to still get sun inbetween the rain? Any thoughts on hotel in middle of everything thats girl frendly / thanks for your help.[/QUOTE]You will be able to hang on the beach and get sun. The rain usually doesn't last a long time. Keep in mind the sea at Pattaya is very polluted. Hotel choices are many at every budget level. The is a separate Pattaya hotel thread you should check out. Sea Me Spring and LK The Empress are two good hotels across the street from the beach. There is also a Marriot, Hard Rock, and Holiday Inn on Beach Road. I would recommend staying away from the USA chain hotels as they are overpriced / unnecessary in Pattaya. Too many good alternatives are available.

[QUOTE=Gajith;1467942]Then the girl changed her tone and yelling at me she want to go back with 1. 5 K. I resisted and agreed top pay 1 K. But she really wanted 1. 5 which I rejected. She threaten me by calling their people. I went down to the lobby but the guy at reception asked me to give money (I think he know her, because when she was handing over her I'd he refused to show it to me). When we were talking at lobby, two of the Motorbikes came and supported her. Finally I had no way so I paid the full amount.[/QUOTE]Sounds like your Hotel was in on the scam, if it was one. You should change Hotels. On the other hand I can understand her being angry if you were fucking her for 5 to 10 secs with a broken condom. Mostly guys should know when it feels a little bit too good, unless you are just about to cum (which is highly distracting).

When the whole thing got nasty, I would suggest paying the whole 1. 5K to get the thing over with. 500 Baht is not much to get a bad experience over with. If things got a hell of a lot worse than that, you could try calling the tourist police. Tourist police are intended to protect foreign tourists from being ripped off, but I know how far it extends to sex deals.

I agree with others, that in most cases girls that wish to be paid up front cannot be trusted to follow a deal to the full letter of that deal. Girls will rip you off time and time again. So in my view never pay upfront for private arrangements. I have been ripped off plenty of times over many years, so know that you need to know the personality of a girl very well before you rely on her to do what she says she is going to do. LOL.

Lastly, I advice not to take free lancer girls that do not work for any particular establishment. Its more risky.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1468444]That is a wingman of mine. We travel the world together. He doesn't do drugs and really only drinks beer. Someone spiked him. The last thing he remembers is jumping on the baht bus to go to Walking Street. Everything has been worked out though. It did cost (what to me is) a substantial sum of money. And thanks to other expats who put some money up he was able to get out of it. It pays to have friends. Be careful out there gentlemen.[/QUOTE]Yes I can see that someone spiked him. It is not clear what substances make a person behave so badly. I suppose it is like how alcohol makes some people violent but magnified several times. I think he is lucky to get out of this.

For most of us, its very hard to imagine how we could behave like what was reported. Definitely nightmare stuff.

Is Pattaya becoming a risky place or we just hearing about the very worst things?

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1468329]Sure the extra 500 baht is worth the grief if someone was trying to rip you off. Where would it end? The line has to be drawn somewhere. And a guy like me can eat 2 days on 500 baht. I don't know how good the original poster is at lying and / or being confident, but he could have just as well said that he agreed to 1000 which he was giving her, but she is trying to raise the price. It would have been his word against hers. And 1000 baht is no small sum of money. Somebody would have convinced her to take the 1000 and move on.[/QUOTE]I'd pay 500 baht not to have the shit beaten out of me by a couple of motorcycle guys. It's not like we're dealing with normal Thais but criminals, lowlifes and drug addicts. My priority is to holiday uninjured.

[QUOTE=Syzygies; 1469653]Yes I can see that someone spiked him. It is not clear what substances make a person behave so badly. I suppose it is like how alcohol makes some people violent but magnified several times. I think he is lucky to get out of this.

For most of us, its very hard to imagine how we could behave like what was reported. Definitely nightmare stuff.

Is Pattaya becoming a risky place or we just hearing about the very worst things?[/QUOTE]I'm curious what drug was used as well. There were two very similar incidents recently, one American, and one Russian (I believe). Both guys were naked. This makes me believe they were drugged while in their rooms with a girl.

Other suspected cases of guys being drugged, usually end up with the guy sleeping. It makes me wonder if these guys are being given zolpidem (Ambien / Stilnox). In combination with alcohol, they can have this effect on people. There have been cases where people drink on a plane, take an Ambien to sleep, then wake up in hand cuffs not knowing what went down.

So it's possible, the girls are trying to make the guys sleep so they can rob them, but then have to deal with the unexpected "sleep walking" side effects and get the hell out of Dodge.

[QUOTE=RBDave; 1469684]I'm curious what drug was used as well. There were two very similar incidents recently, one American, and one Russian (I believe). Both guys were naked. This makes me believe they were drugged while in their rooms with a girl.

Other suspected cases of guys being drugged, usually end up with the guy sleeping. It makes me wonder if these guys are being given zolpidem (Ambien / Stilnox). In combination with alcohol, they can have this effect on people. There have been cases where people drink on a plane, take an Ambien to sleep, then wake up in hand cuffs not knowing what went down.

So it's possible, the girls are trying to make the guys sleep so they can rob them, but then have to deal with the unexpected "sleep walking" side effects and get the hell out of Dodge.[/QUOTE]He said whatever it was made him very hot. And that is why his clothes were off. AFTER being drugged he was taken to a hotel room and robbed. It wasn't that he was going short time with anyone. He doesn't even do short time, so if he was taking someone then it would have been back to his own room.

this isn't about pussy, but might be of interest to some of you. this is what i saw this morning:

about 9 am i was cruising along 2nd road on my motorbike going 40-45 kph. not much traffic, mostly baht buses. i was on the far right as i was intending to turn right onto soi diana shortly.

a farang came tearing past me (squeezing between me and a baht bus, we just happened to be side by side at that time). the farang appeared to be going at full throttle, so he was probably going at least 80 kph.

once he got in front of me, it was wide open, no traffic, just him and the open road. i had the thought,"someday, that guy is going to pay a heavy price for that kind of driving". i watched as he continued on. when he was about 50 meters away from me, in an instant (i didn't even see the transition) his bike was horizontal and he was sliding along the road on his front side.

he had good sliding technique, on the palms of his hands, his forearms, elbows, and knees. the last 25% of his slide was actually a tumbling as he came to a stop.

fortunately, he hit no solid objects (parked cars, etc.) , so there was no danger of him suffering impact trauma.

unfortunately, he had no protection, so almost all his deceleration came from skin friction.

by the time i got to the scene, he was already standing up with the skin on all the body parts i listed above, now ground down to the bloody layer.

so he stood there with blood running down his arms from elbow to fingertip, and blood running down his legs. in a minute he had a pretty good puddle under himself.

my first impulse was to go up to him and ask him what did he expect to happen driving like that? but, i figured he was getting an instant graduate degree from the school of hard knocks, so there was no point in my offering any comments. an older farang seemed to be willing to take care of the guy, so i went about my business.

what happened? i'm guessing he hit some irregularity in the road, either a bump or a hole and at his high speed, it didn't take much for that wobble to exacerbate it a full splat.

i'm just relieved that he didn't hurt anyone else with his recklessness (he came close to taking me out).

[QUOTE=Pointy Stick;1469672]I'd pay 500 baht not to have the shit beaten out of me by a couple of motorcycle guys. It's not like we're dealing with normal Thais but criminals, lowlifes and drug addicts. My priority is to holiday uninjured.[/QUOTE]Have you ever heard that such a thing happened in context of a situation Gajith described? I think we shouldn't lose common sense.

[quote=slackerslacker;1469755]i'm just relieved that he didn't hurt anyone else with his recklessness (he came close to taking me out).[/quote]reckless driving is the norm here, there were three motor bike fatalities in the past two weeks. someone recommended more traffic lights, some crosswalks and speed bumbs on some of the busier streets to slow down the speed demons but it will probably only happen after someone important is killed. mix foot traffic in with the baht bus, mb racers and driver's who yield for no one, its a wonder there's not more fatal accidents.

[url]http://www.pattayaone.net/pattaya-news/101655/pregnant-motorbike-driver-killed-jomtien-road-crash/[/url]

[url]http://www.pattayaone.net/pattaya-news/101385/motorbike-taxi-driver-killed-early-morning-road-crash-south-pattaya/[/url]

[url]http://www.pattayaone.net/pattaya-news/100111/motorbike-driver-dies-high-impact-crash-central-pattaya/[/url]

[quote=run mann; 1469813]reckless driving is the norm here, there were three motor bike fatalities in the past two weeks. someone recommended more traffic lights, some crosswalks and speed bumbs on some of the busier streets to slow down the speed demons but it will probably only happen after someone important is killed. mix foot traffic in with the baht bus, mb racers and driver's who yield for no one, its a wonder there's not more fatal accidents.

[url]http://www.pattayaone.net/pattaya-news/101655/pregnant-motorbike-driver-killed-jomtien-road-crash/[/url]

[url]http://www.pattayaone.net/pattaya-news/101385/motorbike-taxi-driver-killed-early-morning-road-crash-south-pattaya/[/url]

[url]http://www.pattayaone.net/pattaya-news/100111/motorbike-driver-dies-high-impact-crash-central-pattaya/[/url][/quote]nothing will ever change regarding this because the leaders of this government do not see anything wrong with what they are doing regarding driving. sure they see it on paper and from time to time get hype up on some compaign to do something but once the compaign is over they themselves go about doing what you see everyday on the streets or soi. a big example are the police who go back to the station and then go home without their helmets. wait outside the government office in pattaya on pattaya nau, the ems center in banglamung, schools, hospital who has the greatest interest in teaching and setting a example they all break the rules, take that to a higher level in government. i carry a license and nearly every endorsement including training commercial license and i can give 10 thai government official a driving test based on their own driver handbook and i will fail each one based on their own handbook.

thais are not alone i see farangs too driving reckless too, the biggest fools are the one who rent the big bikes and fly up and down from marine down 2nd road. and the biggest loser recently a few months ago was the farang who flew to heaven after he got cut in half on his big bike going down theappaya 120 plus km / h. basic commerical driver moto " if you put yourself in a position for something to happen it most like will happen ".

lbm

[QUOTE=Pimpa;1469768]Have you ever heard that such a thing happened in context of a situation Gajith described? I think we shouldn't lose common sense.[/QUOTE]To me common sense would dictate that it would be sensible not to escalate the situation over such a petty amount of money. Who knows how far it could have gone. I've never been in such a situation but I have seen thais become suddenly violent over nothing so my reaction is based on their propensity for sudden violence. I'm also in my late 30s so I have lost any inclination to engage in violence over what is 'right' because life is too short to be dealing with cunts.