Bangkok Reports

[QUOTE=Chill Out; 1141314]I almost didn't post last time because I don't like to cause trouble. But I also don't like to see people being deluded, or to see inaccurate information in general.

First, I just think it helps to be realistic. For instance I tend to go for the hottest girls I can find, usually that means that :

* she knows her value.

* taking the price down by a lot isn't likely.

* you have to take her relatively quick before someone else does (happened to me yesterday again)

* better go early, before they are all taken.

* etc

So by knowing where your picks are on the food chain (ie being realistic) , you can take decisions and act accordingly. The opposite is also true. If you go for other kinds of girls, you could be acting differently, for example you could 'walk away' more often, use more leverage to pay less, show up late when they are worried about not finding a client, etc. Being realistic is helpful.

Second, I don't think it's fair, for forum readers who have never been to BKK and wonder if they should come, to describe these girls as "OK compared to a lot of others you see these days". It's not an accurate description of the market IMHO. A great majority of the girls available are cuter, pretty much in any venue, even in MPs that sell skills not looks.

Third, Nic, didn't I see you describe a girl as "horrendous" recently in the Photo thread? .

Just my 2 cents, no offense meant to anyone. [/QUOTE]It's one thing to give your opinion, I. E "I find this girl horrendous" and another to pretend lecturing somebody about how bad is his own taste. That's the difference between you and Nic.

Hope you learn this soon, and from now on avoid judging other's tastes, activities etc.

Just let us know your own views, opinions, evlauations, that will be fine and enough.

[QUOTE=Chill Out; 1141042]I assumed so. Not living here permanently, I don't have enough friends at this point in the LOS to do it though. Maybe in the future.

I'll probably try SOL just for the hell of it since it's an institution in BKK; but with what I hear about how the girls look there, I doubt I'll be into it very much. [/QUOTE]Chill out,

Its not important to have other guys really. Just get a few girls as I recommended. You can find a few well above average looks and good bodies in Suzi Wong.

SOL is not a place I go often, and yes the standard of girl looks is lower (last time I was there). Can't expect super hot girls to work in low class wayward places.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan; 1141083]Good answer! I know we all look the same? I feel the same way about white folks I remember them by how big and fat they are?

LBM[/QUOTE]Thais call me "Panda Bear" due to belly a bit big and blackish eye sockets. I am not offended at all.

I don't know the best way to say "taa yee" in English (perhaps "East Asian eyes" is better than my previous attempt).

[QUOTE=Pro Fesseur;1140992]I said in my previous report that many of them are not very attractive, but some really are. During nighttime, if you are not lazy to walk a bit on Sukhumvit road and visit the above mentioned establishments, you will see many freelancers in a rather short time. Even if a rather high percentage of them are unattractive, you should eventually find at least one girl that is really pretty (and willing to go with you for a reasonable fee), usually in less than one hour (much more quickly if your standards are lower than mine).[/QUOTE]You are right on. In my experience, the vast majority of freelancers are ordinary looking, but I have been shocked at meeting a stunning one on rare occasions. Even a pretty girl with normal job can be stuck for money and need to earn a bit extra on occasions.

In the old days, used to be able to find some pretty girls in Thermae doing a bit of casual money making. I was impressed that they would give many guys the big knock-back till they met a guy who was respectful and nice that had a reasonable appeal to them. Its not necessary for a pretty girl just to accept any old guy.

[QUOTE=Chill Out; 1141314]I almost didn't post last time because I don't like to cause trouble. But I also don't like to see people being deluded, or to see inaccurate information in general.

First, I just think it helps to be realistic. For instance I tend to go for the hottest girls I can find, usually that means that :

* she knows her value.

* taking the price down by a lot isn't likely.

* you have to take her relatively quick before someone else does (happened to me yesterday again)

* better go early, before they are all taken.

* etc

So by knowing where your picks are on the food chain (ie being realistic) , you can take decisions and act accordingly. The opposite is also true. If you go for other kinds of girls, you could be acting differently, for example you could 'walk away' more often, use more leverage to pay less, show up late when they are worried about not finding a client, etc. Being realistic is helpful. [/QUOTE]Yes I agree with most of this.

[QUOTE]Second, I don't think it's fair, for forum readers who have never been to BKK and wonder if they should come, to describe these girls as "OK compared to a lot of others you see these days". It's not an accurate description of the market IMHO. A great majority of the girls available are cuter, pretty much in any venue, even in MPs that sell skills not looks.[/QUOTE]Its not very clear what you are saying here.

I believe that Thais in general have above average looks compared to other asian countries, however there are still many girls with plain faces working in most P4P venues. Generally really stunning girls will be taken out of the game quickly by someone who wants to support them (but not always). The percentage of really pretty girls is not that high. Maybe its just that I am picky. Fortunately my plain Jane is someone else's cutie (as Nic points out). Some guys find nearly all very young girls at Nana Plaza to be very cute, where as youth is not the same as beauty to me.

[QUOTE=Evianist;1141431]Looks OK as long as it's triple layered. Maybe some aluminum foil too.[/QUOTE]
So, here's a new recipe suggestion for my fellow ISG gastronomes: "Minou en papillote" (= pussy cooked in a foil parcel). Just like a chef would do with salmon (the other pink meat)! :D

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1141489]... they would give many guys the big knock-back till they met a guy who was respectful and nice that had a reasonable appeal to them. Its not necessary for a pretty girl just to accept any old guy.[/QUOTE]
You too are right on here, Syzygies. The punter's attitude and manners matter much more than money for the prettiest ones. Those girls can earn enough money for their needs very easily, so, they usually favors mongers with whom they feel they may have a good time, (almost) regardless of how much they are going to be paid for their service.

[QUOTE=Dreams;1141477]It's one thing to give your opinion, I. E "I find this girl horrendous" and another to pretend lecturing somebody about how bad is his own taste. That's the difference between you and Nic.

Hope you learn this soon, and from now on avoid judging other's tastes, activities etc.

Just let us know your own views, opinions, evlauations, that will be fine and enough.[/QUOTE]

I have not gotten the impression that Chill Out was lecturing in his report Duniawala about how bad his taste is. Chill Out mostly gave his opinion about the average beauty of the providers available on the local P4P market. Duniawala's pictures are just a frame of reference here. By the way, earlier in this thread, Duniawala also gave (ironically) his opinion about the average beauty of the girls available in certain P4P venues, and this time, the frame of reference consisted in the pictures that were recently posted in the photo gallery. It's not much different, IMHO.

[QUOTE=Llantarnam;1141170]Think you have just described my ideal shag.

I'm in town in 3 weeks time. If you find her, don't forget to pass on the details[/QUOTE]
Girls of this kind are more frequently found in Thai-oriented venues. I'm based in Northeastern Thailand, but visit Bangkok on a regular basis. I will be there later this month (in a little bit more than two weeks) for a couple of days and will certainly post a field report if I find anything worth mentioning during my short stay in the capital city.

[QUOTE=Goyave;1141507]I have not gotten the impression that Chill Out was lecturing in his report Duniawala about how bad his taste is. Chill Out mostly gave his opinion about the average beauty of the providers available on the local P4P market. Duniawala's pictures are just a frame of reference here. By the way, earlier in this thread, Duniawala also gave (ironically) his opinion about the average beauty of the girls available in certain P4P venues, and this time, the frame of reference consisted in the pictures that were recently posted in the photo gallery. It's not much different, IMHO.[/QUOTE]. And, IMHO, I respectfully disgaree with your analysis. End of the story.

[QUOTE=Chill Out; 1141314]I almost didn't post last time because I don't like to cause trouble. But I also don't like to see people being deluded, or to see inaccurate information in general.

First, I just think it helps to be realistic. For instance I tend to go for the hottest girls I can find, usually that means that :

* she knows her value.

* taking the price down by a lot isn't likely.

* you have to take her relatively quick before someone else does (happened to me yesterday again)

* better go early, before they are all taken.

* etc

Just my 2 cents, no offense meant to anyone. [/QUOTE]Chill Out, you forgot the most important item in your list. The STARFISH factor (not shouting, just emphasizing).

In my experience of Thailand over the years, I have found that in a majority of of the "most hottest" looking girls rate low to average in the sex department. Yes, they are cool to take around, but at the end of the day the sex is what it all counts.

[QUOTE=Duniawala; 1141547]Chill Out, you forgot the most important item in your list. The STARFISH factor (not shouting, just emphasizing).

In my experience of Thailand over the years, I have found that in a majority of of the "most hottest" looking girls rate low to average in the sex department. Yes, they are cool to take around, but at the end of the day the sex is what it all counts. [/QUOTE]That Is true, but when you find a hot one who goes like a steam train makes It worth while, sometime I will go for performance over looks, but I don't fly 6, 000 miles to shag munters! :)

[QUOTE=Fon Tok; 1141300]How old are you? For some men, especially if they are over 40, women this young are, well, just too young. I have P4P girlfriends who refer to some of their customers as "grandfather."

Lust works both ways. Some guys speak of "pops" like they were downing cans of beer. For me, at least part of the time, it is more enjoyable to experience a woman's orgasm that to have one of my own. But, after thousands of "pops," maybe that is something that some older men enjoy more than younger ones? I don't remember as it's been a long time since I was young. . [/QUOTE]I am 55, and in no way do I consider barely legal P4P teens "too young!" And I don't care if they call me Grandfather!" And I'm contributing to their income! I treat them, and their older counterparts, with the utmost courtesy and respect. I do enjoy at least TRYING to get them off as well.

[QUOTE=Duniawala;1141547]In my experience of Thailand over the years, I have found that in a majority of of the "most hottest" looking girls rate low to average in the sex department. Yes, they are cool to take around, but at the end of the day the sex is what it all counts.[/QUOTE]If an ordinary looking girl is also crap in bed, you forget her real fast, like in 2 seconds, but if a hot girl (in appearance) is totally crap in bed, then it frustrates the hell out of you. I still am haunted by one tall and pretty girl with a perfect dream body (even natural C cups) who wouldn't do BJ, no DATY, no kissing, scared of my dick, and rather starfish with tense legs. Shit, I struggled to maintain an erection under these circumstances. She wanted me to be her "friend" (I don't need any more platonic girls thankyou). I guess she was interested only in young spunks with a six-pack body. Who knows? Its so confusing when I am used to a full blown GFE. She works outside a Soi Cowboy bar, so see her regularly as I go past.

Fortunately I end up with these nightmare girls only rarely. There are usually plenty of tell tail signs before you actually take her away. Haven't had such a disaster girl for over 2 years now. Well, at least I have forgotten any other disasters that weren't so stunning. I am more careful now. Its still possible though, for a cunning girl to really con you into thinking she will be good.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1141687]There are usually plenty of tell tail signs ...[/QUOTE]Fruedian slip there, I mean "Freudian". That damned auto spelling corrector is just doing a shitty job.