German FKK Clubs - Lounge and chat area

[QUOTE=Pistons;2299600]Pointing out that there are predatory instincts left in us from before we invented these things is just that. Pointing out a problem. It is not the same as saying it is the way to go forward. I have a feeling certain people here on the forum forum complaining about 'support groups' and stuff just fails to understand the discussion.

Perhaps your generation is getting too old to solve these issues, and we have to wait for the next. A younger brother generation. LOL![/QUOTE]A problem that evolution has yet to root out is arrogance, probably because it can be useful. I do not despise arrogant men, so long as they have some reason to be; however, what seems to be more common is unjustified intellectual arrogance, self perceived intelligence. What's funny is that these perpetrators never seem to have the metrics that would serve as proof of intelligence. Things like using the perceived intelligence to achieve financial success or perhaps professional success could serve as proof of intelligence. Sadly that is not what often happens. Perhaps emotional intelligence could lead one to achieve power, societal positioning, or develop social skills, alas also no. What is astonishing is that these arrogant men who have achieved so little in life maintain their empty confidence. It's a testament to the human mind's ability to cope with suffering and emptiness.

[QUOTE=Bfsie;2299708]And I might add that Artemis owner allowed the WGs to be a part of the club's culture-making is itself that the owner makes the club culture, because he could let this not happen legally if he wanted.[/QUOTE]Well, it is in part defense mechanism of the owner after new law not to involve too deep with girls management because whole thing with Artemis was example arrest to all FKK in Germany I think. All charges against owner was later dropped after multiple court cases, but the way how they raid the club with few hundred cops, some totally geared up like military operation was not necessarily at all, it was the show for media, which worked, and all those lies media wrote about Artemis was also scary how media in G7 countries are still like that, you know openly write total lies about thing they want to attack, it was beyond exaggeration how they described Artemis.

So naturally, if you are club owner, you will be be careful after new law was installed, so thing like what I wrote above won't happen to you, so it really did give some power or freedom to girls in club to do what they want. It still is fair enough and reasonable in FKK though, most girls are fair enough. Arguably LOL.

[QUOTE=Polyamorist;2299769]In my experience, WGs [B]are[/B] I regularly fuck WGs who have "normal" lives as students, air hostesses, hairdressers, receptionists, fitness instructors, sommeliers, security guards etc. Furthermore many of them seem to me more normal, human, and less mercenary than "respectable" women I used to know in corporate jobs in major American cities.

That reminds of a hot girl in Europe who lives a sexy double life. In one life she works in a respectable bank and as a financial consultant. In the other life she is tuting it up in grand style, doing pole dances in front of leering Americans in a high-class FKK. Whenever I talk to her, I find it easy to imagine her in either role. After all that's capitalism: getting fucked (the principle famously discovered by the economist Scarface).[/QUOTE]Exactly, this is one of the reasons why I lost interest in normal dating scene. Prostitution industry began to provide normal beautiful girls who live double life of all kind. I even managed to fuck normal models that are now famous enough to be in TV when she was much younger and not famous enough with limited money, now I see her in tv and make me proud of my decision to go out there to monger. Also some porn stars before they went on to porn and became famous in porn industry etc. I especially like fucking university students though, it is like fucking egg of something in this world before too matured, I think university students are the best season of girls life to fuck them.

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However, this almost brainwash conducted by society to masses are good thing to sustain society. Without it, society won't be able to sustain its social securities, balance etc. Whoever thought about this system is genius and they did allow escape path, where we mongers can play and be free too, so it is all fair enough system if one can think for themselves and have will to explore it.[/QUOTE][NOPARSE]
السلام عليكم, Ho-san. So you're content to be the one-eyed man in the country of the blind? Or the one-eyed dick in the country of the boobs? Is this what you call utopia, a system where most people are brainwashed and the rest must hide in the shadows because of their most natural instincts?
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[QUOTE=Polyamorist;2300000][NOPARSE]السلام عليكم, Ho-san. So you're content to be the one-eyed man in the country of the blind? Or the one-eyed dick in the country of the boobs? Is this what you call utopia, a system where most people are brainwashed and the rest must hide in the shadows because of their most natural instincts?
[/NOPARSE][/QUOTE]Well, Utopia as it can get. We are kind of hiding in shadow, that is one of the reason why we are here on this forum discussing our hidden hobby that is not suited to discuss in our private lives.

The definition of Utopia is each their own, but many men are killing their male instinct due to their implanted thinking, I think.

At least for pro mongers, we managed to use our brain and created our hidden utopia that we cannot tell most people who are in our private life. It is funny to realize most of us monger die one day hiding that we fucked throughout our life time LOL.

What is your take?

[QUOTE=MrHo;2299996]Exactly, this is one of the reasons why I lost interest in normal dating scene. Prostitution industry began to provide normal beautiful girls who live double life of all kind.[/QUOTE][NOPARSE]
今日は, Ho-san. Right. Imagine you are trying to make the "regular dating scene" work out for you. And you meet a beautiful model, or any other beautiful woman for that matter. And you woo her constantly. You don't want to insult her by offering her money. But she seems to keep stringing you along. After six months of failed efforts, you discover she has been accepting money from other guys. Then it hits you. Why would she fuck you when she can get 500-1000 euros for a visit from any other gentleman? And how is she supposed to maintain her expensive independent lifestyle if she is not charging on principle for her most valuable asset?

It is this kind of insight which makes guys tire of the normal dating scene.
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今日は, Ho-san. Right. Imagine you are trying to make the "regular dating scene" work out for you. And you meet a beautiful model, or any other beautiful woman for that matter. And you woo her constantly. You don't want to insult her by offering her money. But she seems to keep stringing you along. After six months of failed efforts, you discover she has been accepting money from other guys. Then it hits you. Why would she fuck you when she can get 500-1000 euros for a visit from any other gentleman? And how is she supposed to maintain her expensive independent lifestyle if she is not charging on principle for her most valuable asset?

It is this kind of insight which makes guys tire of the normal dating scene.[/NOPARSE][/QUOTE]Well, I just hate the fact that you have to suck up to women all the time, basically sweet talking to her 24/7 almost and also the fact that men are supposed to support her for everything and she does the house works? I mean I am not disable, I can do housework myself and the days when there are no washing machines or cooking devices are over, we even have robot cleaning the house now automatically and they work 24/7 without complaint, you just give it electricity.

Feminist talk about women equality, OK for jobs, I in part agree with them for certain corporate jobs, but man, there is no male equality in society in general, like men should do this, men should pay, men should work and make all the money etc.

I would go normal route if it benefit me more, but when I realized monger road is better for my sex life based on experience, I turned to monger route, I mean every men dream of fucking famous porn stars or even fucking them before they go into porn and all I have done in my sex life in those area of porn stars would not be possible without mongering world being so updated and efficient as it is now or how else would I meet porn stars? Without mongering platform.

As for human connections etc. , I prefer to do it with friends and pets. I agree with what Karl laggerfeld once said in interview. "I do not like to have sex with people I love". I love just fucking young beautiful girls who I love only for her appearance, so I can just fuck her like animal and it is all OK and I can change and she stay young and beautiful forever and supply is unlimited to me as long as prostitution is legal.

For me, it all changed, when prostitution industry begin to provide top level beauty young girls. I would say in this past 10 years or so, prostitution industry is at its best in history of this planet. This was a game changer for me. Line up got up and down, but this past 10 years or so, the industry really accelerated to whole new level. Sex revolution happen without us realizing it too much, but I think this past 10 years or so was sex revolution happened with my view. Quality got really better.

[QUOTE=Takedown;2299815]I think it's a simple inarguable point that the general prostitute population is [B]not[/B] representative of the female population all over the world, if not just for the mere simple fact that most prostitutes do not have the professional training or education of average western women. The Romanians might be the most "normal" of all prostitute populations in comparison to the average woman in their culture. Latin American and Southeast Asian prostitutes are certainly not representative of their cultures. Heck, German prostitutes are not good representatives of German women.

It seems to me, to make and believe this point, one must have very limited intimate experience with modern, real world women. It's consistent with the traits shared by the triad here.[/QUOTE]I think you are right. By triad, I am assuming that you are referring to a few recurring posters here. I'm new here but noticing that only a handful of posters write the majority of comments here, especially in the Lounge thread. I certainly agree with you that some of those comments display a total lack of common sense and are devoid of any logic. This is not totally surprising when it comes to internet discussion forums. But when you have thousands of commenters writing, as they do at BBC or NYT or other respectable boards, you can find a more balanced set of views. In here, with just half a dozen or less participating regularly, it appears that the writers are split into one or two factions with endless and repeated debates re: the same points over and over again. Actually, I would not call them debates because I do not see any meaningful exchange of dialog with decorum or intelligence. BTW Sir, your posts are an exception to this, from what little I observed in my short life here.

Anyway, two cents from a newbie. Please forgive any perceived rudeness, it is not intended.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2300243]Well, I just hate the fact that you have to suck up to women all the time, basically sweet talking to her 24/7 almost and also the fact that men are supposed to support her for everything and she does the house works? I mean I am not disable, I can do housework myself and the days when there are no washing machines or cooking devices are over, we even have robot cleaning the house now automatically and they work 24/7 without complaint, you just give it electricity.

Feminist talk about women equality, OK for jobs, I in part agree with them for certain corporate jobs, but man, there is no male equality in society in general, like men should do this, men should pay, men should work and make all the money etc.

I would go normal route if it benefit me more, but when I realized monger road is better for my sex life based on experience, I turned to monger route, I mean every men dream of fucking famous porn stars or even fucking them before they go into porn and all I have done in my sex life in those area of porn stars would not be possible without mongering world being so updated and efficient as it is now or how else would I meet porn stars? Without mongering platform..[/QUOTE]Interesting thoughts. For me, I can simplify I. I'm not a beautiful man, I'm not famous and I'm not so rich that I ca keep young beauties coming around just for my parties. So, €50 per 30 minutes is an economical way for me to have sex. It's a choice for me, yes, but the other choice is probably lots of porn and masterbation. I'm sure I could find a 50 yo lady to be my partner, but she would have to understand that I'm physically attracted to women who the only way I could have sex with them would be by force or via prostitution.

[QUOTE=Chongmal;2300404]It's a choice for me, yes, but the other choice is probably lots of porn and masterbation. I'm sure I could find a 50 yo lady to be my partner, but she would have to understand that I'm physically attracted to women who the only way I could have sex with them would be by force or via prostitution.[/QUOTE]Nice way of pointing it out. A few guys tout the choice of living the monger lifestyle and some use the term polygamy as a euphemism for paying hookers for sex. What they never mention is that the other choice they have, or lack thereof, is basically playing with oneself. It's much better for the ego to tout some secret lifestyle rather than calling it what it is, paying girls for lots of sex because the reality is that most of us will not have access to so much pussy and attention from so many attractive women 10,20, and 30 years younger. I enjoy the hobby a lot, maybe too much; however, to hold it up as some golden cow of enlightenment and nirvana is just a delusion constructed to protect the ego.

About FKK land, this is prostitution business even I try to find woman types meaning looking and behaving like a woman, not too bitchy, slutty, I run away from. Trinity discovered looks like a woman with Aphrodisia Zurich look. About girls, highest level Romanian girls or Germans don t work in brothels, but try to succeed in normal life. Speaking different languages don t mean being high potential to succeed in normal job, when on the other hand can make very big and fast money being fucked by us.

[QUOTE=CaneUppHosAss;2300285]I think you are right. By triad, I am assuming that you are referring to a few recurring posters here. I'm new here but noticing that only a handful of posters write the majority of comments here, especially in the Lounge thread. I certainly agree with you that some of those comments display a total lack of common sense and are devoid of any logic. This is not totally surprising when it comes to internet discussion forums. But when you have thousands of commenters writing, as they do at BBC or NYT or other respectable boards, you can find a more balanced set of views. In here, with just half a dozen or less participating regularly, it appears that the writers are split into one or two factions with endless and repeated debates re: the same points over and over again. Actually, I would not call them debates because I do not see any meaningful exchange of dialog with decorum or intelligence. BTW Sir, your posts are an exception to this, from what little I observed in my short life here.

Anyway, two cents from a newbie. Please forgive any perceived rudeness, it is not intended.[/QUOTE]Yes, it is very good that one can see themselves in mirror now, like you two LOL.

[QUOTE=Chongmal;2300404]Interesting thoughts. For me, I can simplify I. I'm not a beautiful man, I'm not famous and I'm not so rich that I ca keep young beauties coming around just for my parties. So, 50 per 30 minutes is an economical way for me to have sex. It's a choice for me, yes, but the other choice is probably lots of porn and masterbation. I'm sure I could find a 50 yo lady to be my partner, but she would have to understand that I'm physically attracted to women who the only way I could have sex with them would be by force or via prostitution.[/QUOTE]Even you may or may not have those 3 qualities you mentioned, the bottom line is that you have to make certain amount of effort, which for me is no longer reasonable amount, but rather irrational amount of effort because I realized these young beauties are on sale for much cheaper price with much easier access with constant supply that I can choose and change as I want. I do not want to invest my money, time or myself etc into some place where it is expensive, time, consuming and not rational, it is not worth it for me because I know where to get same thing I can cancel later for much cheaper price. Plus I even get different kind that I would not met or able to have sex with like porn stars even before they go onto porn, I break them in, this would not be possible for me in my social circuit because I am not in the social circuit which I meet porn stars often, and like any men, I would prefer fucking porn stars than masturbating to them on screen.

Now, what I mentioned above is for sex only, but I only want women for sex and not for human communication or human connection. I do not want too much of that with women. I prefer that with friends that I know since my youth.

This forum is bit special with some guys because we mongers have hidden side of our life and we can discuss that side due to anonymity of the internet. We will never have totally liberal society when it comes to sex, but I do feel that in this past 10 years or so is the liberal and efficient that it has ever been even with new law of BBBJ, metoo / feminist movement etc.

Money helps a lot, but you still have to use them, so I prefer using it wisely in right investment vehicle that provide me most quality and quantity, looks is important, but unless you are too ugly, one can dress well with prompt timelss style and charm can take you long way, as for fame. You want good sex life all over? You do not want fame for that.

It is bit like hunting, we can go hunting, but it cost more, it is harder, it is rougher and tougher and more expensive, so we just goto super market to buy meat, we got middle men doing all the job of preparing meat that we eat for us. I goto super market of young beautiful girls where all the problems and effort etc are taken care of by middle men legally, I do the fucking.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2300611]About FKK land, this is prostitution business even I try to find woman types meaning looking and behaving like a woman, not too bitchy, slutty, I run away from. Trinity discovered looks like a woman with Aphrodisia Zurich look. About girls, highest level Romanian girls or Germans don t work in brothels, but try to succeed in normal life. Speaking different languages don t mean being high potential to succeed in normal job, when on the other hand can make very big and fast money being fucked by us.[/QUOTE]Trinity? The Estonian one in GT? I was surprise to find real Estonian in brothel actually. She is nice person, but not my exact type as she looks now today, she must have been quite good looking when she was a teenager, but that must be long time ago. She is good hearted person though.

Siri, once upon a time, not so long ago, but quite few years ago, I used to find quite many so called normal or almost normal girls LOL walking into Artemis main bar during summer months making fast cash while their summer university holiday lasted and after they were never seen. Also there used to be a beautiful German girl who works in diesel shop during day and at night shift from 8 pm, she worked in Artemis. Back then, I thought that would last forever, now Artemis is older plastic monster habitat with paintings all over their body.

You and your woman type, I only care how she looks, rest I can lead her to do or I do it myself, I do not put too much focus on how girls are beside looks in brothel.