FKK Artemis - Berlin

[QUOTE=PayForIt;1776996]Not sure or even might be his Mrs. Either way. Pretty as anything and very sexy though had she worn a lime green mankini I'm not so sure I'd have taken her to the room![/QUOTE]Mankini's are for Wedneday's dessous tage. :)

Has anyone seen Cheyenne lately?

Is steam sauna that is in new wing open in winter time? Like in mid November.

[QUOTE=MrHo;1777678]Is steam sauna that is in new wing open in winter time? Like in mid November.[/QUOTE]Usually it's open.

[QUOTE=Pharisaer;1777977]Usually it's open.[/QUOTE]Thanks, I will like that, it will be cool if the out door swimming pool is kept open during winter though, it will be nice to jump in after sauna Or even better, if the outdoor pool become heated one during winter time like the one you get in luxury ski resort in Switzerland or Austria.

I hear Line up is better in winter time than other warmer season though, is this accurate? I am giving a shot at going during winter this year.

[QUOTE=BackpackBrian;1767709]Do the girls care if I use my own condoms? Even if they are the super thin ones from China (Aoni) and the Sagami. 01 brands?

Do the girls thinks they are less safe?[/QUOTE]Been reading around and I gather that no condom sex aka AO aka no taboo seems to be a trend I'm seeing on the sites. Is that practice in Artemis as well?

First time in Berlin, and with all the refugee crisis, can't help but wonder.

As a foreigner (definitely not a refugee) but can't escape my Arab looks, will I be at a disadvantage if any for entrance and service?

[QUOTE=NemanLion;1778239]Been reading around and I gather that no condom sex aka AO aka no taboo seems to be a trend I'm seeing on the sites. Is that practice in Artemis as well?[/QUOTE]No. AO is not practiced in FKK's and normal sauna clubs. There are special AO clubs and some escorts also advertise AO services.

[QUOTE=NemanLion;1778243]First time in Berlin, and with all the refugee crisis, can't help but wonder.

As a foreigner (definitely not a refugee) but can't escape my Arab looks, will I be at a disadvantage if any for entrance and service?[/QUOTE]Artemis doesn't seem to have a door policy. I've seen guests of all colors and origins there.

[QUOTE=Hermann666;1778364]No. AO is not practiced in FKK's and normal sauna clubs. There are special AO clubs and some escorts also advertise AO services.[/QUOTE]That is fine. I rather not take health risks due to some careless irresponsible punters actions.

[QUOTE=Hermann666;1778367]Artemis doesn't seem to have a door policy. I've seen guests of all colors and origins there.[/QUOTE]There is no door policy at Artemis. All nationalities are welcome. Only drunken men are not coming in. Cheers and enjoy.

[QUOTE=Hermann666;1778367]Artemis doesn't seem to have a door policy. I've seen guests of all colors and origins there.[/QUOTE]There is door policy for race at German FKK?? Where?

Artemis owner is Turkish, so they are welcoming toward Arabic people too it is mixed both for clients, girls and managements.

[QUOTE=MrHo;1778463]There is door policy for race at German FKK?? Where?

Artemis owner is Turkish, so they are welcoming toward Arabic people too it is mixed both for clients, girls and managements.[/QUOTE]Golden Time in Bruggen (NRW) has a door policy. Don't worry, it's not exercised against Asians, so you are ok, but I wouldn't bother going there. The club also discriminates against Romanian girls to limit their number. They also do not permit Romanians girls under 21. So, fewer 18-20 girls here than other places. They don't have showers for the girls to clean themselves. The club is also known for often having way more men than women during busy times, earning the club the name "Gaytime". These are just some of the reasons, other than their racist door policy, to avoid this place. I will say that they serve pretty good food there though.

[QUOTE=UltraHappy;1778490]Golden Time in Bruggen (NRW) has a door policy. Don't worry, it's not exercised against Asians, so you are ok, but I wouldn't bother going there. The club also discriminates against Romanian girls to limit their number. They also do not permit Romanians girls under 21. So, fewer 18-20 girls here than other places. They don't have showers for the girls to clean themselves. The club is also known for often having way more men than women during busy times, earning the club the name "Gaytime". These are just some of the reasons, other than their racist door policy, to avoid this place. I will say that they serve pretty good food there though.[/QUOTE]Also Livingroom has a door policy from what I've read on this forum. It has the same owner as Golden Time.

[QUOTE=Hermann666;1778597]Also Livingroom has a door policy from what I've read on this forum. It has the same owner as Golden Time.[/QUOTE]If LR has a door policy, it is much more relaxed that GT's though according to many, many forum posts. Seems odd that they would enforce different door policies when they have common ownership but apparently it is so.

Back to Artemis now since this is the Artemis thread. The Artemis thread police are surely about to jump out any second now and start complaining about these non-Artemis posts. It really annoys the Artemis thread police when they have to scroll down past non-Artemis messages to get to their really exciting, fact-filled true Artemis posts.

[QUOTE=UltraHappy;1778490]Golden Time in Bruggen (NRW) has a door policy. Don't worry, it's not exercised against Asians, so you are ok, but I wouldn't bother going there. The club also discriminates against Romanian girls to limit their number. They also do not permit Romanians girls under 21. So, fewer 18-20 girls here than other places. They don't have showers for the girls to clean themselves. The club is also known for often having way more men than women during busy times, earning the club the name "Gaytime". These are just some of the reasons, other than their racist door policy, to avoid this place. I will say that they serve pretty good food there though.[/QUOTE]Maybe something happened there repeatedly with certain guests from certain nations.

There was an incident in Artemis with Russian clients beating up security with electric guns, but it did not let Artemis to have any door policy. They do check your hand bag for liquid though).

So. Anyone going to visit Artemis 10 years birthday party 2nd October?

Friday:

Arrived at around 5 pm and there was sausage fest alot of guys and few girls present. Remember many girls from my last visit there but they all look so much older I guess this work makes them age fast. The silli level at Artemis is extremely high level and the girls looks old and worn out.

I coulnt pick any girls at all and a sharky blonde which I remember ask "why you don't go to the room". I politely decline her offer as my shark alarm went through the roof. I mean seriously asking me to take her to the room after less than 30 sec?

I later meet a nice guy and he did take this particular girl and he confirmed her service level is lousy I. E. Rushing everything and asking more money etc.

Jana did remember me which surprised me since most of the girls didn't. She has new boobies which I don't like but she is very nice to talk to. Also talked to Nicole but no session as I know she doesn't kiss. Talked to a norwegian and he said the girls were so hot which made me LOL.

Saw Martina and I stared at her a bit and she makes the "come over" sign and I went over bc I was curious. I asked her if I didn't see her at Mainhattan and she confirmed. She was there for the IAA and is back at Artemis full time. It was nice to talk to her but really not my type and was not busy.

Later I saw Silvia and after a while I went over for zimmer time.

Silvia (ro) 28-29 yo slim body type, black hair very pretty face (skin not perfect acne scar). No kissing, very good BJ and a very good fuck. I luv the way she do ride me. Finish me off with HJ. Repeat.

Talked to Annelise but don't think she is a high level service provider. Also talked to Christina. There was perhaps 1 skinny girl I was a little interested and 1 with sillies.

Left the place at 00 am and was missing Sharks already, LOL.

Saturday:

Arrived at 7 pm and there were less guys around this time. Did see a girl which I had been with before her name is Natalia. She couldn't remember my at first but later said she remembered. She was the closest thing to GFE from Artemis I had but I wasnt ready to go so I sat and waited to the lu. She too looks worn out and wearing much more makeup than I remember. The food is ok but Sharks much better. Talked to tall blonde girl which I remember seeing last time her name is Elina? Poland. No kissing and limited DATY but I'm still a little interested fucking her dispite that since I don't have to many options at Artemis. Might check her out next visit.

Went over to check if Natalia was available but she was busy talking to some guy so after a while I decided to leave around 11 pm since I have a race tmw.

The lounge is so dark its difficult to get a clear view I. E. She might look alrite from a distance but look old / worn out close up.

I still got prepaid entrance but seriously doubt I will go back when they are used up with this level of lu *sigh*.

Great reports, thanks. So, how would you rank the clubs based on whatever criteria you think important - among the ones you visited on this trip? Also, same question re: the girls you sessioned with.

[QUOTE=Exodus8;1779386]I still got prepaid entrance but seriously doubt I will go back when they are used up with this level of lu *sigh*.[/QUOTE]I always thought that Artemis is over all balanced club meaning, you get all kind of girls from Romanians, Bulgarians, Germans from all sort of cultural back ground including real German girls, polish, few blacks, few Asians, sometimes even Arab (Moroccans), Hungarians, half white half black girl, Russian, Kazakh and so on.

For this sense, even though I have less chance of meeting younger girls that I fancy the most, but I managed to find few sometimes (EG: I loved long gone teeny girl IVY) and I always liked Artemis, I hope the Artemis I know won't change because I have so much memories there. Hmmm LU is always a luck, but I always had good time at Artemis as I feel it is most diverse nationality mixed club.

[QUOTE=Exodus8;1779386]Remember many girls from my last visit there but they all look so much older I guess this work makes them age fast. The silli level at Artemis is extremely high level and the girls looks old and worn out.[/QUOTE]Yeah, I noticed the same things. Maybe my luck but there are really few girls without silicone in Artemis. Fine by me though since it is my preference but other punters may have other preferences.

As to the looking older look: I noticed that the girls that are always available (that is to say that they work every day almost) are working morning to evening (12:00-22:00). Do that 6 days in week in this job and of course you are going to look old fast.

[QUOTE=Exodus8;1779386]Also talked to Nicole but no session as I know she doesn't kiss.[/QUOTE]This being Nicole (Cz)? She is good looker (depending on hair style she chooses) IMHO but no redeeming features otherwise regardless of no kiss policy. Complains if you don't cum within 5 minutes. Tourist trap type of girl.

Thanks Exodus for sharing the information even though it makes me a bit concerned about the line up.

I'm heading for Artemis for the first time in about 2 weeks 10th Oct. And I'm very excited. How is a typical Saturday in Artemis, number of girls vs boys? I most like petite young girls, but I hope I'm not travelling a long way for a sausage party LOL.

[QUOTE=Jnpr30;1779394]Great reports, thanks. So, how would you rank the clubs based on whatever criteria you think important - among the ones you visited on this trip? Also, same question re: the girls you sessioned with.[/QUOTE]Obviously the most important criteria is hot girls that provide great service that's why we are there in the first place, LOL. Other important criterias is a good relaxing area that you could hide from the girls when you want to, good food to fill up yr energy etc.

I've only been to 3 clubs on this trip so:

1. Sharks, superior LU with several good service providers. The lounge is big enough for you to hide from shark attacks, hehe. Food is also good. Yeah Sharks is my 2nd job, LOL.

2. Mainhattan, cozy lounge which might be weird if there arent many guys present. food is ok and the good thing is that you can get drinks yrself in the bistro. LU is alrite with a few girls that are sharks material. I don't like the supersmall locker though always have to push everything in and its public area.

3. Artemis, lounge too dark and you will get attacked rite away when you walk in the lounge by several hungry sharks at the door, LOL. LU is bad most girls look worn out and old with many sillies. Barmaid also abit rude. I heard some guys asking for "orange" and then the barmaid said "can you say please". I always say that but feel it isn't a appropriate way to treat customers. Another one angrily said "the bar is here not there" the guy was standing at the exit area bc it was so full.

If a Shark clone opened in Berlin Artemis would go belly up in no time.

Girls:

Criteria: GFE not just fuck like a rabbit, LOL.

1. Paloma.

2. Moira.

Last place: Diana (too bad cause look wise she ranks pretty high).

[QUOTE=Exodus8;1779648]

3. Artemis, lounge too dark and you will get attacked rite away when you walk in the lounge by several hungry sharks at the door, LOL. LU is bad most girls look worn out and old with many sillies. Barmaid also abit rude. I heard some guys asking for "orange" and then the barmaid said "can you say please".[/QUOTE]+1. No need for me to visit Artemis.

HB.

Is it not normal to say "bitte" when asking something, even in brothel, then no problem to get what asked, and can also say "danke" , then barmaids even remember your drinks and give you with a smile.

[QUOTE=VaeVictis;1779554]

This being Nicole (Cz)? She is good looker (depending on hair style she chooses) IMHO but no redeeming features otherwise regardless of no kiss policy. Complains if you don't cum within 5 minutes. Tourist trap type of girl.[/QUOTE]Yes that's her I actually was very close to take her on my last trip but didn't and 1 isger told me to avoid her so I did. She still approach me but I always say I can't bc she doesn't kiss. Ithink Aline from Poland is much prettier again no kiss but I don't think she is a shark.

[QUOTE=AznNick;1779610]Thanks Exodus for sharing the information even though it makes me a bit concerned about the line up.

I'm heading for Artemis for the first time in about 2 weeks 10th Oct. And I'm very excited. How is a typical Saturday in Artemis, number of girls vs boys? I most like petite young girls, but I hope I'm not travelling a long way for a sausage party LOL.[/QUOTE]Well I'm not a regular so my observation may not give a true picture. I didn't see any young girls on my visits they all look pretty old to me.

If you like sillies you will be fine.

I think hessen clubs have ruined my interest in Artemis, LOL.

Was thinking if I should go there today after my race as I was a bit tired. Decided to go after chilling for couple of hrs at my hotel and went there around 5 pm. Went to the lounge downstairs to avoid being attacked by sharks.

Later went straight to get some food as I was really hungry. The lounge was pretty much dead around 7 pm. Few guys and girls looking bored. Around 8 pm new girls arrived e. G. Silvia, Natalia etc. There was 1 petite blond with sillies that looks pretty good but the didn't approach so I didn't either. Got approached by Lorrine (hun) who I have sessioned before I think she is among the better choices at Art. Didn't proceed though as I was a bit tired and wanted to try some new girls.

I didn't find any girls to my liking so decided to leave around 10:30 pm back to my hotel and drink some beer instead, LOL.

[QUOTE=Exodus8;1779864]
I think hessen clubs have ruined my interest in Artemis, LOL.[/QUOTE]Thanks for your posts Exodus8 - I have found them interesting even if they are extremely negative about Artemis. But that's the purpose of the forum: to get honest views and you clearly didn't like the club and won't revisit anytime soon. I am far from an experienced FKK visitor compared to many of the guys in these forums. But I've been to Artemis 9 times in the last 3 years, Oase 5 times, Mainhattan twice, Sharks 4 times, World once, LR in Dusseldorf once and Palace twice. I'd be highly unlikely to return to Mainhattan at all. The club is too small, the locker area, as you say, is poor and I've not had good line ups the 2 times I went though I appreciate that isn't much. I like the interior of the big clubs like Sharks. But on my last visit to Frankfurt in July I was really disappointed with the LU. The food is good in Sharks. Probably the best. Whilst there are a lot of girls in Sharks, and they are younger than Artemis in general, I really did not see any 9's or 10's. Oase is always a disappointment and every time I go I think I will not repeat. I do because of the large number of girls. But again I end up thinking the LU is not strong. And so to Artemis and why I keep going back. Despite it being a long way to travel for me. Whilst it is the most expensive entrance fee I find that providing you are experienced enough to quickly kill the shark like behaviour. I usually name I girl I'm waiting for to come free and that tends to end interest or otherwise just say I'm resting in between sessions] then the club is easy to enjoy. It's just as sharky in Oase and worse in Palace!

Yes there are sillis at Artemis. And probably more of them and tattoos than in the Hessen clubs. But don't session with girls with them if you don't like them! And you know you are going to see them if you go to Artemis anyway. Truth is there are some fantastic service providers in Artemis. Vegas has sillies but is legendary for her BBBJ. Debby. Really slim girl, no sillis excellent in the room. Joanna (Kaz) great in the room. Celia (blond Ro fantastic body) Ruby (very pretty blonde Ro with hairband), Gina (Nigerian), and Loira (blonde German who is very pretty). That's 7 girls off the top of my head who are longstanding Artemis girls who I'd choose to session with any day of the week. One of the great things about mongering is that one man's princess is another man's nightmare! If we all liked exactly the same thing it would be boring and the few girls would be exhausted! I agree the barmaids at Artemis can be abrupt. Which is not good. The token system is also stupid. It's easy to lose the drink token. Much better FOB system at Sharks and Palace. But overall, the food, the kinos, outside, the downstairs wellness area, the sports bar downstairs, the girls and the level of service mean that for the guys who posted about going there soon who are worried, IMHO should not be. I'm due back in Germany in a few weeks and had the freedom to choose where to visit. I contemplated Dusseldorf again but didn't really like the city. I like having lots of clubs to choose from in Frankfurt. But the city is boring and I nearly always end up being disappointed with the girl choices in Oase and Sharks despite huge numbers. My best nights by far in FKKs have all come in Artemis. On top of which Berlin is a terrific city to be in whilst not in the clubs. So for those reasons. I'm back in Berlin in a few weeks. Just goes to show that the YMMV mantra is so very true.

[QUOTE=PayForIt;1779884]my last visit to Frankfurt in July I was really disappointed with the LU......

Whilst there are a lot of girls in Sharks, and they are younger than Artemis in general, I really did not see any 9's or 10's. Oase is always a disappointment and every time I go I thinkI will not repeat. I do because of the large number of girls. But again I end up thinking the LU is not strong...........

I like having lots of clubs to choose from in Frankfurt. But the city is boring and I nearly always end up being disappointed with the girl choices in Oase and Sharks despite huge numbers.[/QUOTE]You need to visit Club Globe in Zurich or Aphrodisia in Zurich.

Yes girls prices are double. Put you get what you pay for!

If you like first-class, executive level, top-level VIP service and 8-10's. You will thank me.

[QUOTE=PayForIt;1779884]Thanks for your posts Exodus8 - I have found them interesting even if they are extremely negative about Artemis. But that's the purpose of the forum: to get honest views and you clearly didn't like the club and won't revisit anytime soon. I am far from an experienced FKK visitor compared to many of the guys in these forums. But I've been to Artemis 9 times in the last 3 years, Oase 5 times, Mainhattan twice, Sharks 4 times, World once, LR in Dusseldorf once and Palace twice. I'd be highly unlikely to return to Mainhattan at all. The club is too small, the locker area, as you say, is poor and I've not had good line ups the 2 times I went though I appreciate that isn't much. I like the interior of the big clubs like Sharks. But on my last visit to Frankfurt in July I was really disappointed with the LU. The food is good in Sharks. Probably the best. Whilst there are a lot of girls in Sharks, and they are younger than Artemis in general, I really did not see any 9's or 10's. Oase is always a disappointment and every time I go I think I will not repeat. I do because of the large number of girls. But again I end up thinking the LU is not strong. And so to Artemis and why I keep going back. Despite it being a long way to travel for me. Whilst it is the most expensive entrance fee I find that providing you are experienced enough to quickly kill the shark like behaviour. I usually name I girl I'm waiting for to come free and that tends to end interest or otherwise just say I'm resting in between sessions] then the club is easy to enjoy. It's just as sharky in Oase and worse in Palace!

Yes there are sillis at Artemis. And probably more of them and tattoos than in the Hessen clubs. But don't session with girls with them if you don't like them! And you know you are going to see them if you go to Artemis anyway. Truth is there are some fantastic service providers in Artemis. Vegas has sillies but is legendary for her BBBJ. Debby. Really slim girl, no sillis excellent in the room. Joanna (Kaz) great in the room. Celia (blond Ro fantastic body) Ruby (very pretty blonde Ro with hairband), Gina (Nigerian), and Loira (blonde German who is very pretty). That's 7 girls off the top of my head who are longstanding Artemis girls who I'd choose to session with any day of the week. One of the great things about mongering is that one man's princess is another man's nightmare! If we all liked exactly the same thing it would be boring and the few girls would be exhausted! I agree the barmaids at Artemis can be abrupt. Which is not good. The token system is also stupid. It's easy to lose the drink token. Much better FOB system at Sharks and Palace. But overall, the food, the kinos, outside, the downstairs wellness area, the sports bar downstairs, the girls and the level of service mean that for the guys who posted about going there soon who are worried, IMHO should not be. I'm due back in Germany in a few weeks and had the freedom to choose where to visit. I contemplated Dusseldorf again but didn't really like the city. I like having lots of clubs to choose from in Frankfurt. But the city is boring and I nearly always end up being disappointed with the girl choices in Oase and Sharks despite huge numbers. My best nights by far in FKKs have all come in Artemis. On top of which Berlin is a terrific city to be in whilst not in the clubs. So for those reasons. I'm back in Berlin in a few weeks. Just goes to show that the YMMV mantra is so very true.[/QUOTE]Wow thanks so much.

Well I only can do a Sunday at Artemis to discover it in 3 weeks, I've been to few FKK and here my ranking in quality of girls.

1 Palace.

2 GT Vienna & Sharks.

3 Oase & Gt bruggen.

I think Mainhatten was always poor lu.

Never again: palast, vv, happy garden, magnum all bad lu.

I will try this time globe, Artemis, Acapulco.

And always Palace & Sharks.

I like beauty face and body, no fat allowed, sillies or not tattoo or not, expensive is no problem, what s matter is to have a good fuck with a dream girl right?

[QUOTE=TrueNature;1779929]Wow thanks so much.

Well I only can do a Sunday at Artemis to discover it in 3 weeks, I've been to few FKK and here my ranking in quality of girls.

1 Palace.

2 GT Vienna & Sharks.

3 Oase & Gt bruggen.

I think Mainhatten was always poor lu.

Never again: palast, vv, happy garden, magnum all bad lu.

I will try this time globe, Artemis, Acapulco.

And always Palace & Sharks.

I like beauty face and body, no fat allowed, sillies or not tattoo or not, expensive is no problem, what s matter is to have a good fuck with a dream girl right?[/QUOTE]I agree with Palace for beautiful faces, but Sharks. I only went once this summer, but the LU was not good. I found younger girls which is plus for me, but I only found one that I like to my taste. However, as report said, sharks girls tend to be more easy going and nicer hearted rather new to the industry that I like.

As for Artemis, it remains my favorite club to my taste. Most importantly I can stay in Artemis all day especially in summer and LU never disappointing me deeply, but of course it has its up and down, though I always find somebody.

[QUOTE=PayForIt;1779884]Thanks for your posts Exodus8 - I have found them interesting even if they are extremely negative about Artemis. [/QUOTE]The norwegians I meet thought the girls were superhot so it just a matter of taste (I'm not into sillies). Yes agree lots of girls at Oase which might even make the picking difficult sometimes but I won't return soon either since I got crappy to average service at best. Meet another tourist and he said Oase is a club for rich tourist, LOL.

I might check out the morning LU today before heading back to home.

Have fun at Art in a few weeks and looking forward to yr reports.

[QUOTE=PayForIt;1779884]I agree the barmaids at Artemis can be abrupt. Which is not good. The token system is also stupid. It's easy to lose the drink token. [/QUOTE]I have discovered that if you address the barmaids in German and remember to say bitte they will sometimes even serve you with a smile.

[QUOTE=Hermann666;1780010]I have discovered that if you address the barmaids in German and remember to say bitte they will sometimes even serve you with a smile.[/QUOTE]The complaints about barmaid really confuses me. Never had issues with them and I have been in Artemis many times now. I ask them what I want (in English) - they deliver it. What exactly are people doing when ordering? Saying, "Yo. Deliver the booze over here"? Because if you do. Yeah she will treat you like shit.

I actually had girl joking with me about being overly polite (when saying merely "please" and "thank you" And since I have "nice" scarring on my throat and face + couple of kg extra I doubt it was my charms that impressed her.

Basically treat the barmaids normally and they will treat you nice in return. Applies to most of the working girls too. Not much of rocket science.

There are many complaints that can be leveled towards Artemis (food being reheated couple of times and less healthy than what you can find in a trash can) but barmaids (I have seen couple different ones. The one in late thirties with short dark red hair is my favorite) are not that bad.

[QUOTE=KaveMan;1779892]You need to visit Club Globe in Zurich or Aphrodisia in Zurich.

Yes girls prices are double. Put you get what you pay for!

If you like first-class, executive level, top-level VIP service and 8-10's. You will thank me.[/QUOTE]Thanks for this and the PM and the details. I've got to give this a shot. Sounds too good to be true. If the quality is there the price will be worth it and it will make a change anyway. So thanks.

[QUOTE=KaveMan;1779892]You need to visit Club Globe in Zurich or Aphrodisia in Zurich.

Yes girls prices are double. Put you get what you pay for!

If you like first-class, executive level, top-level VIP service and 8-10's. You will thank me.[/QUOTE]Got high hopes on Globe, going there on a Friday hope its nice club and hot models all over.

Checked out at the hotel and thought if I should give it a try in the morning. Arrived at 11:20 am and there were more guys around than I pictured. I went downstairs to get some coffee as I was really tired. A bit later I sat at the kino to relax there I almost fell asleep, LOL. Some girls came to check out the place but there was only one girl that I was a little interested in a black girl named Kisha with toned body with sillies. I wasnt ready and told her maybe later.

Later I went to the lounge and there again werent any girls to my liking. After a while I saw a girl that I noticed on Friday but didn't approach, however she taken by another guy before I had a chance to approach so I decided to wait. When she came back I approach her and asked if we could talk and she said "no talk fuck". I was wondering if she was a shark after all since she really don't hunt much. Kissing confirmed no DATY but decided to take her.

1. Martha (lat) approx 170 cm, fit athlectic body but not superslim, be cup a little sagging, brown hair / eyes. Remember to have read something about her before. Kissing lasted less than 1 min but her BJ was soft with some BL which was good. Dunno if it was bc I was really tired pluss had of couple of beers before that I had to tell her to stop so we could fuck. Doggy and then mish for about 10-12 min which felt really good. She didn't say it out loud I. E. "cum already" but used her legs on my thighs and hand on my butt to make me fuck her harder. Came while doing her mish. A nice girl and I would repeat.

Back at the lounge drinking coffee and checking out if there were any new girls. Saw the girl that I also noticed on previous visit a blonde with a great body with sillies. Think she has done something with her lips but not so obvious. Gun tats on her butt. I was looking at her and wondering if I should approach her.

Time was running out and I had to decide. She suddenly walk out of the lounge and later I followed her and saw her sitting in the sofa upstairs. I walked around the stairs and hope she would come down soon but didn't so I walked up and asked her if we could talk. She said she will be down in a moment.

Ask her my usual questions and decided to give it a try even though not a fan of huge sillies.

2. Vegas (rus) tall blonde with sillies, fit body but not superslim with quite a few tats. After hitting the room she wanted to freshen up and get towels. Kissing was good she didn't mind kissing and said I kiss like a girl, LOL. Her BJ was also quite good I told her to stop so we could fuck after a while bc I didn't wanted to cum and I usually prefer long bjs. Doggy and then mish for 10-12 min before I finished.

We talked a little afterwards and she seems like a really nice girl so I would def repeat I didn't think she would be so good at first.

left around 4:40pm to catch my plane back home.

Dunno if I was lucky with my picks but i had a pretty good time today maybe bc i didnt had time to consider too much . Both girls have a good attitude and didn't rush me to finish.

Bottom line is that I would check out the place again if I happen to be in Berlin.

Well this is the end for this time. Hopefully I can continue my journey to become a jedi very soon, LOL.

[QUOTE=Exodus8;1780361]
2. Vegas (rus) tall blonde with sillies, fit body but not superslim with quite a few tats. After hitting the room she wanted to freshen up and get towels. Kissing was good she didn't mind kissing and said I kiss like a girl, LOL. Her BJ was also quite good I told her to stop so we could fuck after a while bc I didn't wanted to cum and I usually prefer long bjs. Doggy and then mish for 10-12 min before I finished.

We talked a little afterwards and she seems like a really nice girl so I would def repeat I didn't think she would be so good at first.
[/QUOTE]Glad you found some joy! Vegas is a great lady / very striking if a bit odd for my tastes! Great in the room. Have never heard of a single complaint about her service.

I am visiting Berlin next year and me and my girlfriend have a fantasy of have sex in a public place and maybe a threesome. I went to the website and it said nothing about women entering or couples. I was wondering if anyone would know.

[QUOTE=PayForIt;1780381]Glad you found some joy! Vegas is a great lady / very striking if a bit odd for my tastes! Great in the room. Have never heard of a single complaint about her service.[/QUOTE]Thanks PFI! I see that you did mention her name but didn't realize it afterwards. I just went after her bc I found her good looking. I saw her the other day at the money lockers waiting to get paid looked at her and she smiled at me.

Its just little small things you observe that makes the difference.

Enjoy yr upcoming trip!

[QUOTE=Anders1434;1780407]I am visiting Berlin next year and me and my girlfriend have a fantasy of have sex in a public place and maybe a threesome. I went to the website and it said nothing about women entering or couples. I was wondering if anyone would know.[/QUOTE]Only men are allowed entry to Artemis. Some FKK's in the Hessen area allow women too. Public sex is usually not allowed in FKK's although it does happen from time to time. What you would like to do sounds more appropriate in a swinger club of which there are plenty in Germany.

[QUOTE=Anders1434;1780407]I am visiting Berlin next year and me and my girlfriend have a fantasy of have sex in a public place and maybe a threesome. I went to the website and it said nothing about women entering or couples. I was wondering if anyone would know.[/QUOTE]Go to a swingers club, Insomnia on a Thursday has parties where single men and couples are welcome.

[QUOTE=Anders1434;1780407]I am visiting Berlin next year and me and my girlfriend have a fantasy of have sex in a public place and maybe a threesome. I went to the website and it said nothing about women entering or couples. I was wondering if anyone would know.[/QUOTE]It is definitely a swinger club you are looking for (or "Pärchenclub" as it is known in Germany).

You will find a list of clubs at [URL]https://www.joyclub.de/swingerclubs/berlin.html[/URL].

Please note that in most swingerclubs that allow singles too, those singles are mainly of the male variety and your fantasy threesome is likely to be two men and one woman.

[QUOTE=Anders1434;1780407]I am visiting Berlin next year and me and my girlfriend have a fantasy of have sex in a public place and maybe a threesome. I went to the website and it said nothing about women entering or couples. I was wondering if anyone would know.[/QUOTE]The Hessen FKKs permit woman guests if the woman is accompanied by a man. But the girl will not be allowed to work in the club. Instead, she may only session with her male companion. The couple may take another working girl with them to the room of course. Public sex is permitted in all Hessen FKKs but is usually limited to the Kinos (public sex does occur outside the Kinos but rather infrequently).

I hope to be at The A. Next Thursday. Anyone know if Avril or Amalia are working at the moment?

Thanks.

I have used the search engine to try find post about this, and found there has been an incident with a guy walking to the westkreuz station at 3 am. I will be at Artemis from 10 Oct. (next weekend) and will have a Berlin welcome card for the holidays and attractions.

But I'm not sure if its worth the risk walking to the station.

Do you guys leaving in the middle of the night, take a taxi or the walk? Is it very dark, or are there lights all the way? The cost of taxi to the hotel is properly around 20-25 euros and for 4-5 nights that will be 100 euros vs free with welcome card.

I'm a small Asian, so not that big, but I can run very fast LOL! If any of you will be there, lets walk to the station together LOL.

[QUOTE=AznNick;1781857]But I'm not sure if its worth the risk walking to the station.[/QUOTE]I have walked back to the station late at night and would not worry about it (I'm a slow-moving Aussie).
It's reasonably well lit, and the first part is along a well-lit busy road, then a shorter side-street to the station entrance. Yes, there was an incident, I don't recall the details.
Of course, keep in mind you should always exercise sensible precautions in any major city, even one as nice as Berlin. It has a wonderful public transport system which you should utilize.

And, by that hour, your shouldn't have much money left anyway.

Sounds like you plan to spend plenty of time at Artemis, and that will tire you out. So, I'd suggest getting there early, leaving before it gets really late, and that way you'll not have too many late nights which will be both safer and make your FKKing more enjoyable.

[QUOTE=AznNick;1781857]I have used the search engine to try find post about this, and found there has been an incident with a guy walking to the westkreuz station at 3 am. I will be at Artemis from 10 Oct. (next weekend) and will have a Berlin welcome card for the holidays and attractions.

But I'm not sure if its worth the risk walking to the station.

Do you guys leaving in the middle of the night, take a taxi or the walk? Is it very dark, or are there lights all the way? The cost of taxi to the hotel is properly around 20-25 euros and for 4-5 nights that will be 100 euros vs free with welcome card.

I'm a small Asian, so not that big, but I can run very fast LOL! If any of you will be there, lets walk to the station together LOL.[/QUOTE]Yeah, I remember reading that post. In Westkreuz, there are light to the station because you be walking by traffic road, so there are traffic light, only near the station there are not much light.

However, I never had issue there and I have done that walk around midnight, but not at 3 AM as there are no train till 5 AM ish. It should be safe, but after bit after midnight, I always take taxi because there are no train.

[QUOTE=ShoesAndSocks;1781989]I have walked back to the station late at night and would not worry about it (I'm a slow-moving Aussie).
It's reasonably well lit, and the first part is along a well-lit busy road, then a shorter side-street to the station entrance. Yes, there was an incident, I don't recall the details.
Of course, keep in mind you should always exercise sensible precautions in any major city, even one as nice as Berlin. It has a wonderful public transport system which you should utilize.

And, by that hour, your shouldn't have much money left anyway.

Sounds like you plan to spend plenty of time at Artemis, and that will tire you out. So, I'd suggest getting there early, leaving before it gets really late, and that way you'll not have too many late nights which will be both safer and make your FKKing more enjoyable.[/QUOTE]Couldn't agree more. Come in the early afternoon and don't stay the whole night. There's sometimes to many men and queues to the rooms late at night. But more girls too.

I would be ok taking the train at night but usually I am too lazy and take a cab. About 18 euros to the hotel I am staying at.

I've always felt safe when leaving Artemis.

However, I'm another in favour of arriving early and leaving around midnight. I enjoy the afternoon atmosphere, and find that three or four hours of the night shift is plenty. I wouldn't miss out on the night shift though as it's quite a sight to see. I've never seen so many beautiful girls, naked, in such a space. No other clubs come close, in my experience.

[QUOTE=Galazy2;1781665]Anyone know if Avril or Amalia are working at the moment?[/QUOTE]They do both. Note: Avril's got fake tits now.

[QUOTE=Pharisaer;1782128]They do both. Note: Avril's got fake tits now.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the update. Last time I was there I heard from one of the other girls that Avril had taken time out to get implants. How big did she go?

I can suggest the Ibis hotel near Artimes. It is open all the times and walking distance (but a bit dicey at night), so spend a few Euro if you are scared. Having said that. Germans are knows for their efficiency and keep their cities safe. Do not mess around with German Police.

I agree about Oase. Sometimes it can disappoint alot and you wonder why you wasted your time there. But sometimes you can also find some girls there who just blows the scale.

All in all Artemis is a much better club I think, even if it might be hard to find those girls who truly blows the scale at Artemis, there are several 9's and 9. 5's at Artemis which makes it a club where I at least allways have more options than I can get through.

Just booked fights for a few days at the end of the month (just 70 euro return!) and I know it will be worth it. Paying twice the airline price to go to Frankfurt instead is just not worth it when I feel it is a 50/50 chance that my fav frankfurt girls won't be around.

One more thing that Artemis (and Palace) has over Oase is better lighting. The lighting at Oase makes the girls there look less tempting I feel, so I feel I raise my bar a bit higher than at clubs with better lighting indoors.

Yes, Artemis is a much better option than Oase. The only thing in Oase's favour is the €50 pricing structure. Artemis is superior in all other respects, in my opinion.

[QUOTE=Galazy2;1782169]Last time I was there I heard from one of the other girls that Avril had taken time out to get implants. How big did she go?[/QUOTE]It's not too much, she looks as cute as before.

Was visiting Berlin yesterday and decided to drop into Artemis (although I bit tired of the place). To my surprise this was also the day they celebrated their ten year birthday. Which meant fireworks and lightshow in the evening and that all girls were dressed in sexy outfits. Which means semi-covered, that is to say non-FKK experiance. Although these types of outfits will never see light ourside of the places like Artemis. They had grill.

The LU was strong IMHO, but so was the number of visitors. I decided to session with girls I would not normally sesssion with (silicon boobs bimbo looklikes) starting with Valesca (Regular blowjob suddenly assisted by hand after few minutes. Was she trying to cut the session short? Who knows. Those tricks have no effect on my "snake" so it was full 30 min session where performence improved after 15 min mark).

Substantially better experiance was lady X, dark long hair, 21 RO with big natural breasts (not slim body but not overweight either). She was no pro, compared to my regulars, but I really liked her sweet behaviour in the room. Will repeat. The trouble is that I can't remember her name despite asking her twice for it. I thought it was evina or somthing but I can't find any reports on her. So if anyone could help me identifying lady X. Please do (it will help other members of this forum). She was very popular with customers. I think she got through 4-5 men after me and who knows how many before I had her.

I had only two sessions due to real life obligations but it was just as well. The crowds waiting for room were getting big already by 20:00 and there was que of people waiting to get inside when I was leaving.

Hi guys,

I have a few Artemis questions.

A) is it always easy to get a taxi from Artemis?

B) what time of day is best to go where there is a decent selection of ladies but you don't have to queue for rooms?

C) The idea of some sexual activity in public places is enticing. I believe you can do stuff in the cinema. Anyone done this? How clean is the cinema?

Any one public places you can have sexual activity with girls?

Thanks

Hello guys,

I'm going to Artemis on a Sunday at the end of the month, is it a good line up?

I like every type natural / sillies, to my experience in Palace or Sharks all good girls are present on a Sunday.

I hope will be same at Artemis.

[QUOTE=Peterpack;1782848]Hi guys,

I have a few Artemis questions.

A) is it always easy to get a taxi from Artemis?

B) what time of day is best to go where there is a decent selection of ladies but you don't have to queue for rooms?

C) The idea of some sexual activity in public places is enticing. I believe you can do stuff in the cinema. Anyone done this? How clean is the cinema?

Any one public places you can have sexual activity with girls?

Thanks[/QUOTE]A. There is always a line of taxis outside Artemis during the evening / night.

Be. I usually visit during weeknights. There are relatively few girls there during the day but also fewer men. From 5 pm The place starts to fill up. Queueing for rooms usually happens late at night and especially during the weekends or when there is a messe going on.

See. The cinema can be used for sex. There are also beds with curtains in the lounge. I have never seen any real action there but others can maybe chip in.

[QUOTE=Peterpack;1782848]Hi guys,

I have a few Artemis questions.

A) is it always easy to get a taxi from Artemis?

B) what time of day is best to go where there is a decent selection of ladies but you don't have to queue for rooms?

C) The idea of some sexual activity in public places is enticing. I believe you can do stuff in the cinema. Anyone done this? How clean is the cinema?

Any one public places you can have sexual activity with girls?

Thanks[/QUOTE]A) Pretty much.

B) Basically after 18:00-19:00. The number of ladies increase noticeable in the evening. However I noticed that certain ladies have certain preferences for when they do their work. Which means that top performers (which ones are the top? Depends on your preferences). Usually waiting times are not issue unless messe or some other special event is going on (which means that you should check Messe calendar in Berlin to plan your visit).

C) Kino (Cinema) is the place for public sex. I have tried this several times* (not because I like being watched but because there were no available rooms) and you can only have comfortable BJ there IMHO. OFC when the place is full, according to the stories I have heard, the VIP room gets opened and several couple then have sex in there (you can't have it for yourself) which counts as public sex I guess.

Is cinema clean? More or less.

Note: not all girls will accept public sex. Several punters I know which have that fetish got denied. I never was (ironically. Because public sex does nothing for me).

And the girl got upset when couple of ME guys gathered to watch us.

[QUOTE=Hermann666;1782988]
See. The cinema can be used for sex. There are also beds with curtains in the lounge. I have never seen any real action there but others can maybe chip in.[/QUOTE]I was there today and saw the curtains rolled up in smoking lounge room right in front of the bar. So assume someone was enjoying action. Earlier in the day 2 guys who bought a bottle were getting blown on the sofas in the lounge.

FR to follow soon.

[QUOTE=TrueNature;1782913]Hello guys,

I'm going to Artemis on a Sunday at the end of the month, is it a good line up?

I like every type natural / sillies, to my experience in Palace or Sharks all good girls are present on a Sunday.

I hope will be same at Artemis.[/QUOTE]Today is a Sunday and I was there almost the entire day until 9 pm. Line up was good and got much bigger after 6 pm. More guys also came in then. There was no space to sit. In terms of natural sillies. Yes there are some but I must say there were more silicones here than I saw in sharks or world. But it could be only today as I am not a frequent visitor.

I will be visiting Berlin for the first time but not my first time at German FKK's.

I have visited all the top clubs in Frankfurt and NRW over the past 10 years and don't need any intel.

Just hoping to form a meet-up to with ISG members during the stay.

PM me if your in the area.

Cheers,

Lanrac.

[QUOTE=Carnal1;1783162]I will be visiting Berlin for the first time but not my first time at German FKK's.

I have visited all the top clubs in Frankfurt and NRW over the past 10 years and don't need any intel.

Just hoping to form a meet-up to with ISG members during the stay.

PM me if your in the area.

Cheers,

Lanrac.[/QUOTE]Hi,

There just to inform you the days your visiting can be well crowded in Artemis, and highly risk of wait for rooms and girls. The reason for this is the Sexmessen during these days, [URL]http://www.messen.de/de/7436/berlin/venus-berlin/info[/URL].

I will be there from 10 Oct., but will leave just as you arrive LOL.

[QUOTE=AznNick;1783232]Hi,

There just to inform you the days your visiting can be well crowded in Artemis, and highly risk of wait for rooms and girls. The reason for this is the Sexmessen during these days, [URL]http://www.messen.de/de/7436/berlin/venus-berlin/info[/URL].

I will be there from 10 Oct., but will leave just as you arrive LOL.[/QUOTE]Live erotic shows.

The Diamond Studio Porno Theatre from Hungary will bring five to six female performers and two male performers to Berlin. Guests will be able to enjoy 2 close-up porno shows per hour at the stand; and photo and filming is allowed. Each show will last for approximately 15 minutes and of course performers the choreography change regularly. For this, Diamond Studio has an extra private booth at the stand, where the visitors can also enjoy private shows.

Will this presentation really clog up Artemis from the 15th to the 19th of this month? I hope not.

[QUOTE=Carnal1;1783568]Live erotic shows.

The Diamond Studio Porno Theatre from Hungary will bring five to six female performers and two male performers to Berlin. Guests will be able to enjoy 2 close-up porno shows per hour at the stand; and photo and filming is allowed. Each show will last for approximately 15 minutes and of course performers the choreography change regularly. For this, Diamond Studio has an extra private booth at the stand, where the visitors can also enjoy private shows.[/QUOTE]Now you see great live sex shows like that is the reason Artemis will be flooded with horny guys! LOL.

Notice I only wrote there is a high chance of waits for rooms and girls, as I have never been to Artemis I can't say for sure. But as I have read half of this forum already, I noticed many have experienced this during a messe of some kind and this in particular is a sexmessen! Where there will be 1000+ of horny guys from many countries visiting, what are they supposed to do during the night? LOL.

Could be helpful if any of the seniors in here have experienced Artemis during sexmessen? Would be appreciated thanks.

Had a brief visit to Artemis a few days ago, met a few "old friends" such as Aksena, Samantha and Carrie the first two are always very much GFE-experiances if you treat them right! Carrie is a girl I mainly session with because her good looks as she is probably top 3 stunners at Artemis in my opinion. She doesn't offer GFE but is still very nice to be with. All recommended!

I also had the pleasure to meet Sheenya from Moldavia, long dark hair, medium size silicones with a pretty face and with a fitness body and last but not least a very tight pussy! Had a very nice hour with her, recommended!

Also met Raiza (spelling?) from Rumania, she is very slim, has long straight dark-brown hair with small perky tits. We had a good time she has a good personality but I don't think I will repeat her because her lack of enthusiasm, I like the sex to be very passionate and it wasn't.

My last session was the best of the trip but I can't remember her name she is from Dominican Republic with enhanced tits 1. 60-65, anyway we had an amazing time with lots of DATY, GFE and very passionate sex, highly recommended!

At Toxteth. Could the last girl have been Jennifer? A little older, long curly hair, dyed blonde. I haven't seen her around for a long time, but would like to see her again. Very playful.

[QUOTE=Frozty;1784107]At Toxteth. Could the last girl have been Jennifer? A little older, long curly hair, dyed blonde. I haven't seen her around for a long time, but would like to see her again. Very playful.[/QUOTE]No not Jennifer, I don't want to call the girl fat but she has a few extra pounds on her, with a lovely smile and great personality!

[QUOTE=Pharisaer;1782359]It's not too much, she looks as cute as before.[/QUOTE]Avril was telling me that the implants had given her confidence as well as increasing her IQ.

[QUOTE=Toxteth;1783989]
I also had the pleasure to meet Sheenya from Moldavia, long dark hair, medium size silicones with a pretty face and with a fitness body and last but not least a very tight pussy! Had a very nice hour with her, recommended!

[/QUOTE]Oh no, say it ain't so! Has Sheenya really gone plastic? She had beautiful naturals as late as this spring, and it would be a shame if she's ruined them. (Well, a shame for this punter, at least.) Are you sure that it was Sheenya? There is another girl in Art called Sheenay, or Senay, could it have been her instead?

Hmm. I know, I am grasping at straws here, because the description definitely sounds like Sheenya. Well, I guess I should return to check out her new assets, anyway. She is a great girl.

I Can sadly confirm that Sheenya has enhanced her breasts, I have firsthand evidence so to speak. They are well done but still.

[QUOTE=Ravein2;1784806]Oh no, say it ain't so! Has Sheenya really gone plastic? She had beautiful naturals as late as this spring, and it would be a shame if she's ruined them. (Well, a shame for this punter, at least.) Are you sure that it was Sheenya? There is another girl in Art called Sheenay, or Senay, could it have been her instead?

Hmm. I know, I am grasping at straws here, because the description definitely sounds like Sheenya. Well, I guess I should return to check out her new assets, anyway. She is a great girl.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=LargeBanana;1782256]I can suggest the Ibis hotel near Artimes. It is open all the times and walking distance (but a bit dicey at night), so spend a few Euro if you are scared. Having said that. Germans are knows for their efficiency and keep their cities safe. Do not mess around with German Police.[/QUOTE]Can you post the street address of this Ibis as there are about 10 Ibis in Berlin.

[QUOTE=Britisher;1785219]Can you post the street address of this Ibis as there are about 10 Ibis in Berlin.[/QUOTE]It's probably this Ibis hotel:

[URL]http://www.booking.com/hotel/de/ibisberlinmesse.sv.html[/URL]

There are plenty of other hotels within walking distance from Artemis. Just google hotel Berlin Charlottenburg.

I did a Thursday & Friday there, considered going to a party one of the days, but didn't bother this time, will do Insomnia on my next trip, spent two days at Artemis.

Arrived at 2 pm, the friendly receptionist got me a robe and locker key, as I paid 80 entry, then took a shower and put my cash in the valuables locker before taking a wander around the club, there was already a nice selection of girls about, I got a drink from the bar and went and sat down on a sofa, relaxed and took in the scene, a few girls one by one did approach me, but I was certainly not in any rush, even though it was still early there was a nice selection, but first my stomach needed filling, so popped next door to the dinning area for a spot of breakfast.

Back in the lounge got another drink, as I did I spotted Jenna you can't really miss her with those massive busens, mid 30's, fake lips, butt implants and gigantic huge 1500 CC silicone tits! Some say the Bundespost have given Jenna's tits their own post code. Well I was definitely going to take Jenna just to get my mits on her crazy tits, but before I did that I nonchalantly relaxed by the bar taking in the sights, until I couldn't take it anymore, and approached Jenna, nice girl speaks good English, we took a seat at one of the sofas, so we could have a chat, in the clubs you don't have to take the girl to a room in 10 seconds of meeting, if they do insist very quickly then they're probably hustlers, but on the other hand don't chat to a girl for half a hour then tell her you don't want to go room. So had a interview and she ticked all the boxes, wasn't long until we went upstairs to the room.

Jenna 1 hour.

The rooms at Artemis are very good, fair size and most have mirrors, as a first session with a girl I usually stick to a half hour, but not this time, I was like the proverbial kid in a sweetie shop, Jenna DFK's, was happy for me to play with her huge boobs, they are hard and firm but her nipples are still responsive and get hard, boob smothering was crazy, I was down there so long I nearly ran out of air, now Jenna is a blowjob expert, and knows what to do, deep throat and ball licking, I was loving it, there was no rush to get through quick and out the door as some girls do, Jenna took her time sucking me, and was happy and responsive to my directions, I had to try tit fucking these monster boobies, so out came the baby oil, I wasn't sure if I needed crampons and climbing rope to ascend the summit, but I managed it, a unique but fun experience, more oral was given then on with a rubber, did cowgirl first, Jenna's boobs were right in my face, or squeezed against my chest, did doggy, she has butt implants so nice arse to hold onto, great view in the large mirror on the wall, then to mish, her legs over my shoulder as I grabbed hold of her boobs, lots of kissing, shot my load wow! Still had 10 minutes left, we relaxed on the bed and had a chat.

Jenna Isn't a hustler who tries to get you done as quick as possible, she told me she has many regulars that visit, and only works midday to midnight, she must earn well, as later in the evening she was busy, and not seen much in the lounge, very nice personality and not a hard nosed prossie, gives a very professional service, in fact Jenna is one of my best FKK girls, she also does CIM and anal for extra, (50-100) paid her 120 back down at the money lockers then had some dinner.

It was around 7 pm by the time I'd finished dinner, back in the lounge there were plenty of new girls, some very tidy looking, lots of fake boobs and tattoos, I took my time having a wander around and chatting to a few girls, they were insisting we go to a room even though I just eaten.

Amalia half hour.

There was a bunch of Romanian girls sat at one of the sofas in the middle of the lounge, I got talking to one, her name was Amalia, she was a hot looking tanned blonde Romanian, with a cheeky personality, we spent quite a while joking with each other, so took her to a room after a while, had a good session with Amalia, FO and sex in various positions, and no upselling.

After the session with Amalia, I relaxed down in the wellness area, took a sauna and had a swim.

Jenna 1 hour.

It was about 11 pm, I was back in the lounge, place was busy now, lots of hot girls to pick from, but I spotted Jenna back at the bar, those massive tits had a magnetic effect on me, I had to take her again, so off we went to a room again, just as the first session Jenna was great, she sucked me off for a good 30 minutes, I was loving it, played with her massive tits again, and shagged in several positions.

Went back to the lounge, had a drink and rest, still lots of girls about, I had a mental list in my head of 4-5 girls I liked the look of, one of who was called Vegas, a hot tall Russian blonde barbie doll with large fake tits lips and tattoos, I had a quick chat to her, she asked me to come to a room, but I told her later as I was still recovering, where else can you deny stunning birds a shag? Any saunaclub LOL. : the.

Priscilla half hour.

A bit later I was ready to go room again, Vegas was with another guy, so went over to another girl on my list, another tall blonde barbie with fake tits, lips and a unusual leopard print tattoo on her back, her name was Priscilla from Germany, age probably late 20's, after a chat on a sofa, she ticked all the boxes, so off we went to a room, there was a few minutes wait for a room, place was busy, Priscilla was very good, great FO and sex in many positions, she took a good pounding with no complaints, I must of been into her as I able to shoot my load for a fourth time!

It was fairly late now 02:30 place was still busy, and took another drink in the bar, I was knackered, it had been a long day, early flight, and was literally shagged out, so got dressed around 3 am and jump in a taxi in the car park, cabby was switched on, straight back to hotel 10.

Friday 18th.

I slept well, didn't get up till 1 pm, got ready and off I went back to Artemis again, Hohenzollerndam S-bahn station is a short walk, it's just two stops away from Westkreuz on the Berlin ring line, then short walk to the club, arrived at 14:30 paid my 80 at reception, got changed and showered, then over to the bar, there were a fair selection of girls, but no rush, I went for some breakfast / lunch, were I bumped into Jenna, would definitely see her later, did I mention she has massive knockers? Took a seat in the lounge with a drink, a few girls came over to tempt me, one I remember was Amina, said she was Iranian, light brown skin, long jet black waist length hair, and good looking, she offered to go to a room, why did I say no? She was hot, I wasn't in any rush to do a first session, but maybe I should of, as later in the evening I hardly saw her in the club, maybe another punter had kidnapped her all night.

Jenna 1 hour.

It wasn't till about 5 pm that I fancied a first punt, thought about a couple of the girls on my list, but saw that Jenna was back in the room by the bar, would be rude not to, as I was guaranteed a great session with her, and I wasn't wrong, great first session to start the evening off, she is certainly a expert in her business.

Back in the lounge, got a drink, then noticed it was dinner time, so went for some food, which wasn't bad, choice of 2-3 hot mains, soup, salads and dessert, a punter needs to keep his strength up.

Kiki Half hour.

As usual by this time of night the line up had increased, as new girls had started work, a very nice selection to pick from, earlier on I'd chatted to Kiki a Senegalese lady, nice looking with slim body, about 30 yrs old, she was bubbly and a fun girl to chat to, so off to a room we went, a good session was had, expert FO and good sex, did 69 and licked her pink pussy hole!

I needed a rest, so went downstairs to the wellness area, had a swim and paddle in the pool, then took a sauna, it's good just to relax down here on lounger, some girls do come down to tempt, but it's not to much problem, I never used the bar down there, a few guys and the odd girl were there, I guess at least down there you can have a conversation and be heard, unlike upstairs.

Penny half hour.

I returned to the lounge, I was loitering by the entrance, when I got talking to a Thai lady, her name was Penny, petite MILF in her 30's, we got on well joking and me using some thai on her, she was fun so took her upstairs, the session was quite good, not wild but ok, she had a bit of a routine, FO was fine and she didn't try to rush me.

Now it was late by the time I returned to the lounge, I fancied another session, preferably with one of the barbiedolls, and there were a few about, one of them I went over to talk to was Virginia, a tall busty blonde Hungarian with the barbie look, I introduced myself, and she told me her name, and then she said "ok maybe I will see you later" another guy was waiting for her nearby, fair enough but funny thing was they had a chat, but didn't go room, so Virginia shit out as I would of probably taken her, also she walk past me a few times later and ignored me, maybe it was my old spice aftershave.

Jaime half hour.

It was about 2 am now, I still fancied a last session, got talking to a German MILF called Jaime, another blonde with fake boobs and tattoos, spoke good English and had a toned body, so off we went upstairs, another very good session, Jaime gave a good service, and didn't complain or rush, she has a cracking body to hold on to, and a great pair of fake tits, she said she has two kids, even though her pussy was tight.

I was knackered, went back to the lounge and relaxed, got chatting to a few girls, one of which was called Valeska, a half German-Mozambique young girl, pretty mixed race look with that German accent, but I was to tired to play, I ended up getting dressed just as the place closed at 5 am, as I jumped in my cab a few of the girls jumped in their BMW and Mercs, their pussies are a gold mine!

But my cab driver was a dick, he took me a long way home, I don't think he did it to boost the meter, he just seemed clueless, as he had to put in the address half way there, German efficiency yeah?

Conclusion.

I had a very good time in Berlin, I'd planned to only do two days at Artemis, I didn't fancy a party at the time, not that I'm a shy boy, been there done it, and will probably do it again soon, I fancy going to Insomnia soon on the Thursday party. Artemis itself is a good club, up there with the big Hessen clubs, and similar set up to Palace, I was surprised I wasn't hustled a lot, maybe I was lucky, and picked the right girls, but it's usually also the way you as a punter acts, if you look like a frightened rabbit and nervous, the sharks will smell blood and start to circle.

Jenna was one main reason to visiting, should really say two main reasons LOL, for a professional hooker who is obviously very popular at the club she hasn't got a shitty attitude, doesn't hustle and provides a excellent service in the room, she's a switched on lady who knows what fellas want.

Thanks for the extensive report Jerboa. Although megatits and fake lips aren't really my cup of tea I must admit that there is something special about Jenna. I've never been with her but may consider trying her out during my next visit.

[QUOTE=Hermann666;1785612]Thanks for the extensive report Jerboa. Although megatits and fake lips aren't really my cup of tea I must admit that there is something special about Jenna. I've never been with her but may consider trying her out during my next visit.[/QUOTE]I see that Jenna is actually communicating with guys on the Artemis web page and is responding to questions and agreeing dates and times for sessions in advance. Not many of the girls bother doing that. She is already now taking bookings for mid-November. Amazing.

[QUOTE=Hermann666;1785688]I see that Jenna is actually communicating with guys on the Artemis web page and is responding to questions and agreeing dates and times for sessions in advance. Not many of the girls bother doing that. She is already now taking bookings for mid-November. Amazing.[/QUOTE]Yeah, she's super popular. I tried to arrange to see her last Thursday but she was booked solid all day. My trip to the Artemis fell through anyway.

[QUOTE=Galazy2;1785728]Yeah, she's super popular. I tried to arrange to see her last Thursday but she was booked solid all day. My trip to the Artemis fell through anyway.[/QUOTE]On this Page you can see when she is working. She takes some time off occasionally.

[URL]http://www.berlinintim.de/hure-jenna-27458.html[/URL]

[QUOTE=Hermann666;1785753]On this Page you can see when she is working. She takes some time off occasionally.

[URL]http://www.berlinintim.de/hure-jenna-27458.html[/URL][/QUOTE]Yes she's a very professional and organised lady, guys do book her in advance, but I wonder how many never turn up? She is busy in the club, starts work in afternoon, and stops around midnight, for guys that want to see her go in the afternoon.

Hello fellow mongers! Has anybody seen Belle (Cub) lately? And if so do anyone knows if she has a working schedule like working only odd weeks or only weekends at Artemis etc?

I arrived at the club at midday, took a seat at the bar and had a coffee, place was quiet, Two blonde German girls were trying to make a sale with me, but I wasn't interested, I just got a vibe they were sharky, bumped into Jenna at the bar, but she was with another punter, was a bit hungry so got some breakfast. Afterwards I returned to the bar, and got chatting to Kiki & Maya, Kiki was the Senegalese bird I sessioned with the other week, they were friendly and wanted me to take them both, I declined but they took it well, Kiki was a possible for later.

A hour or so later I spotted Jenna was back in the bar, best take her now before someone books her for all night. So without much chat of we went to the room, business as usual with her, top session.

Afterwards I took time out down in the wellness area, always a good place to relax, have a paddle or a sauna.

[B]Ella half hour[/B]

At around 5 pm more girls were arriving, I got talking to Ella a slim 30's blonde, who said she was Russian, but didn't have the accent, she had all the talk though and a fit body, so off to the room, Ella gave a amazing BJ, first with her on her knees on the floor, then on the bed, sex was good too, in numerous positions, but as I was shagging Ella in doggy she said our time is nearly up, oh really? With me still hanging out the back of her, I showed her the stopwatch on my watch, 22 minutes only, so she couldn't argue with that, and I kept shagging her, girls do try it on, as many amateur punters forget to check the time or have a watch, maybe because I don't cum in 5 minutes she wanted to cut, but apart from that she is not bad.

Back downstairs more people had arrived, and it wasn't long till dinner, so I waited on one of the lounge cushions at the bottom of the lounge, a few girls moving about, trying to make a sale, my excuse was I was waiting for dinner.

After some good food I took a seat in the lounge, and I spotted Jaime the blond barbie doll, last night she had said she wasn't working today, hmm she must of changed her mind, now a hooker wouldn't of lied to me just so I'd of taken her last night? Funny thing is I never spotted Jaime later on, she must of been busy.

Later I got chatting to Amalia not Malia who I sessioned with the other week, nice girl with a fit body, I should of had another session with her tbf, but this night I was looking for blondes, unless someone special appeared.

[B]Virginia[/B]

This early 30's busty blonde Hungarian barbie doll MILF is a hard worker, I watched her enter the lounge, and start her sales pitch straight away, or she'd walk down to the side of the lounge to place her handbag, then did her routine sweep of the area, proceeding into the kino then a loop around the bar. Now as you can guess Virginia is my type, I had spoken to her the other week, where she'd excused herself, I hadn't thought anything of it, thinking she may have had another punter lined up, but even yesterday (Friday) she'd walked past and I'd say Hello, she'd returned the greeting and kept walking, now that was confusing, was it my aftershave? So there was obviously a problem, but I couldn't work out what, the only dealing I'd had with her was to ask her name the other week, so later Virgina returned and did a circuit, I said Hi but again she kept walking, so I wanted to know what the score was, I asked if there was a problem, and she said no problem, weird as she's no virgin in the club, I think it might be a case of mistaken identity, as I can't think why she'd blatantly blank me, oh the shame I was rejected by a hooker, well it is a pisser when she's one of the few who looks the fake barbie doll type.

[B]Maria half hour[/B]

A bit later I met a 30's blonde at the bar, not quite the barbie type look I wanted, but still nice looking, her name was Maria and from Bulgaria, after a brief chat I took her to a room, It was around 1 am by then, and there was a queue for the rooms, so we took a seat upstairs, next to us a welsh guy had picked two girls for a 3 some, but one of his girls was trying it on, he was paying 110 each for lesbian show, fair enough but lets hope it was more than a quick lick of her mates pussy, the * wanted more to do a lapdance, he'd had a few biers I think, but I'm sure he knew they were hustling him, If it was me I'd of told her to shove her lapdance up her pretty little arse!

I was bighting my tongue, maybe I should of said something, but he was big enough to manage his own business.

So finally got a room, Maria was a good little session, did decent BJ and FK with no complaints, she wouldn't normally be my first choice.

The rest of the night I considered a last session, but didn't bother in the end, one girl I did talk to, forgot her name, but she has a big gun tattoo on her thigh, she said she only wanted 3 some with her friend, I told her I only wanted one girl, she refused, so I said ok if you don't want to earn any money up to you. : unknown:

I left the club at 5 am, short walk to Westkreuz station, and to Schnefeld Airport.

Is she still around? Planning my next trip to Berlin but slightly worried about the multitude of reports about the increase in silicone at Artemis. My last time in Berlin was a year ago. Can anyone reassure me that artemis still has the intoxicating mix of germanic and polish cats alongside the eastern bloc girls before I spend more money. thanks sv.

[QUOTE=StarletVoyager;1786152]Is she still around[/QUOTE]She sucked my penis in August.

Can we smoke in the room down stairs by the cinemas?

[QUOTE=StarletVoyager;1786152]Is she still around? Planning my next trip to Berlin but slightly worried about the multitude of reports about the increase in silicone at Artemis. My last time in Berlin was a year ago. Can anyone reassure me that artemis still has the intoxicating mix of germanic and polish cats alongside the eastern bloc girls before I spend more money. thanks sv.[/QUOTE]Artemis hasn't changed very much you still have a large selection of girls with natural breast, I would say 70/30 in favor of natural breast vs silicone.

I now see my plane will land in Berlin 8:00 in the morning that's very early.

Artemis opens at 11 so is there any other place in Berlin I can go to that early to get my dicked sucked or something?

I don't prefer SW.

[QUOTE=Puttex;1786798]I now see my plane will land in Berlin 8:00 in the morning that's very early.

Artemis opens at 11 so is there any other place in Berlin I can go to that early to get my dicked sucked or something?

I don't prefer SW.[/QUOTE]It will be around 10 AM anyhow before you can get anywhere in Central Berlin. That one hour wait before Artemis opens will not be so terrible, will it? Get yourself some breakfast, or perhaps check in yourself in your hotel already and save all your energy for the *real* stuff at Artemis.

[QUOTE=Puttex;1786798]I now see my plane will land in Berlin 8:00 in the morning that's very early.

Artemis opens at 11 so is there any other place in Berlin I can go to that early to get my dicked sucked or something?

I don't prefer SW.[/QUOTE]No WG is a early riser.

Regardless, I don't recommend Artemis that early. The selection of girls is extremely small by that time. You may have only 3-4 girls to choose from that early (I remember my first time in Artemis. Only two girls to choose from. And both were sharks.

As Wolvenvacht recommends, check in your hotel (unless this is a day visit?) and get some sleep to get rid of that flight tiredness, get some food (area around has some good places in all price classes). Downtime is important. Your energy will be needed later on that day.

11 might be early except for in the summer when the girls are trying to get a tan at the pool outside. But you can allways arrive then and just eat, shower and relax for a few hours. By 14.00 there should be a few girls to choose from at least.

Long overdue FR.

General appearance:

1) Very easy to access from the city and a short cab ride away. Amazed to see the number of cars in the compound and as I found out, it was definitely the most crowded FKK I saw (in men) amongst World, Sharks and Artemis.

2) LU was ok. Not really my type of girls with a lot of silicon and botox around.

3) Layout was quite lousy in mind. Just one smoking lounge room. I first avoided it thinking there will be a non smoking alternative with equal number of girls. Downstairs area was dead and outside too cold to be there.

Girls I spoke to but didn't session with:

Stella (DE) cute curly hair blond and I would have sessioned with her but she approached me in the first 10 minutes of getting there and I didn't want to hurry.

Bright (HU) plastic and full of Botox. So not my type.

Irons (MOL) ok but nothing exciting.

Niki (HU) rude.

Fabians (ESP / RO).

Gabi (HU) beautiful but wasn't sure about svc.

Girls I sessioned with:

After Sharks where I met 2 nice DE chicks, I was on a DE spree and thought maybe continue with this trend.

1) Sidney DE. I approached her and I also read some good reports about her. Blond, silicones and tattoos. Sweet to talk to but in the room svc was just ok. What I mean by that is that though DFK was mentioned as ok. There was only LFK, and she didn't like DATY so that didn't happen.

2) Gabrielle (PoL) - good reports about her. And in my opinion, the reports are accurate. She is very sympathetic and she spent sometime speaking to me and was really cute & nice. In the room, she was amazing at DFK and what nice lips to kiss. And loved how we explored each other's body. The fucking was nice too and I am not sure but I think she orgasmed with her which never hurts.

3) Adrian (DE) - back to my DE spree. Sweet to talk to but in room she was mechanical. LFK, and went on top which was a nice change but she insisted on grinding hard. She needed to really work hard to make me cum but she did. But I didn't sense any connection so I would say overall ok.

Hope this helps.

Vik.

Hey,

Just checking to see if any of you guys have gotten responses after posting comments or questions on the Artemis girl's individual web pages (the one with their pic)?

[QUOTE=MaxSquatter;1789678]Hey,

Just checking to see if any of you guys have gotten responses after posting comments or questions on the Artemis girl's individual web pages (the one with their pic)?[/QUOTE]The section with the the girls on the Artemis web page rarely gets updated and is not up to date with all the girls. Most girls doesn't seem to respond to messages on their web page but I've seen that e. G. Janna with the mega melons responds and confirms appointments on her page.

If I meet a girl in the cinema at Artemis she can blow me in there for 60€ for 30 min right?

What if I ask her "I give you 40€ if I can fuck you here and now for 10-15 min"?

Possible or not?

Anyone ever tried something like that to get a lower price for a quicky in the cinema or something?

Visited Artemis yesterday, first time after 6 years. Has not changed much.

Enjoyed the ameneties, massage and Hamam, the practitioner is very experienced. Would recommend.

Just a hint for guys who want to save money, you can reach it easy by public transport.

Take S-Bahn, S5 or S7, get off at Westkreuz, leave the station in direction Halenseestraße, you have to go up two levels, go down to the main street, turn left, you will see the neon light after a couple of hundred meters on the left, its a 3 -5 min walk from the station. If you leave before 1 am. You can take the S-Bahn for the ride to the city, one way trip 2,70. Day card 6,90. Saves more money for the girls.

Now, there was a big selection, most with boob enhancements. Not my liking. Saw a slim, good looking natural brunette, but missed the chance to catch her. Being used to the Hessen clubs and selection, I have to say I was not really impressed. But the variety was big, around 50 girls. So I think everybody can find his desired model.

Happy hunting!

[QUOTE=Puttex;1790017]If I meet a girl in the cinema at Artemis she can blow me in there for 60 for 30 min right?

What if I ask her "I give you 40 if I can fuck you here and now for 10-15 min"?

Possible or not?

Anyone ever tried something like that to get a lower price for a quicky in the cinema or something?[/QUOTE]Yes, €60 for a blow job in the kino.

Possible to ask for a €40 quicky. Seems impossible to think that you will get any of the girls to agree. But, I've never tried.

[QUOTE=Puttex;1790017]If I meet a girl in the cinema at Artemis she can blow me in there for 60 for 30 min right?

What if I ask her "I give you 40 if I can fuck you here and now for 10-15 min"?

Possible or not?

Anyone ever tried something like that to get a lower price for a quicky in the cinema or something?[/QUOTE]Ask. Good luck. Prices are fix, minimum is 60€ for a session. You don't have to fuck her for full 30 min though.

HB.

[QUOTE=Puttex;1790017]If I meet a girl in the cinema at Artemis she can blow me in there for 60 for 30 min right?

What if I ask her "I give you 40 if I can fuck you here and now for 10-15 min"?

Possible or not?

Anyone ever tried something like that to get a lower price for a quicky in the cinema or something?[/QUOTE]AFAIK, you must pay 60 euros to have a sex session (NO CIM). The girls of FKK Artemis won't accept 40 euros for any sex acts.

[QUOTE=Puttex;1790017]If I meet a girl in the cinema at Artemis she can blow me in there for 60 for 30 min right?

What if I ask her "I give you 40 if I can fuck you here and now for 10-15 min"?

Possible or not?

Anyone ever tried something like that to get a lower price for a quicky in the cinema or something?[/QUOTE]Yes, that'll totally work. Just use the negotiating techniques illustrated in this video: [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNQRqAoT-2c[/URL]. Many Italians successfully employ this strategy in the clubs on a regular basis.

Also, you might consider starting your negotiations off with something less than $40. I'd personally recommend starting somewhere around 39 cents. [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEb_epsuLqA[/URL].

On the other hand, you should keep in mind that many men pay 60 Euros for sessions that only last 10-15 minutes. I don't know why they don't choose to enjoy a longer session, but many guys do this. On another note that might be useful for you to know, some clubs do allow reduced pricing for 20 minute sessions (and some allow reduced pricing for 45 minute sessions as compared to 30 minute sessions), but those clubs are rather small and there are not so many of those around. I have never personally been to those clubs -- I have only read about them.

Let us know how your negotiations turn out.

[QUOTE=UltraHappy;1790180]Yes, that'll totally work. Just use the negotiating techniques illustrated in this video: [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNQRqAoT-2c[/URL]. Many Italians successfully employ this strategy in the clubs on a regular basis.

Also, you might consider starting your negotiations off with something less than $40. I'd personally recommend starting somewhere around 39 cents. [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEb_epsuLqA[/URL].

On the other hand, you should keep in mind that many men pay 60 Euros for sessions that only last 10-15 minutes. I don't know why they don't choose to enjoy a longer session, but many guys do this. On another note that might be useful for you to know, some clubs do allow reduced pricing for 20 minute sessions (and some allow reduced pricing for 45 minute sessions as compared to 30 minute sessions), but those clubs are rather small and there are not so many of those around. I have never personally been to those clubs -- I have only read about them.

Let us know how your negotiations turn out.[/QUOTE]Doing discounting like this at Artemis. You will be very popular among girls LOL.

Going to artemis next week. Is anyone here planning on going too? It will probably just be for two days mid week.

Berlin is beautiful. And I don't think any of the places that you are looking for would be open by 10 or 11 in the morning, since most of them work till late in the night. I would say, take a cab ride all over the city. (if you are familiar, train would be cheaper) See the place, and reach Artemis by 11 or 12. Only then you will have a good selection of girls.

[QUOTE=Puttex;1786798]I now see my plane will land in Berlin 8:00 in the morning that's very early.

Artemis opens at 11 so is there any other place in Berlin I can go to that early to get my dicked sucked or something?

I don't prefer SW.[/QUOTE]

Spent most of the day and early evening at Artemis yesterday and will be there today too.

Went with Amina, 24, Iranian / German. From reading here she has received mixed reviews. Well, my session was very good. Lots of kissing and cuddling. Vaginal, anal and CIM. She allowed switching between the vagina and ass without changing condom in between. She obviously didn't receive the memo. Would be happy to repeat.

Also did Fatima, Slo, and Silvia, Ger. For some reason I think these girls were molded in a similar cast. Nice looking next door girlfriend types but actually no real kissing and cuddling. Nice girls though.

Then the German ice queen Nadja. Real pornstar look, long blond with silicones and lots of tattoos all over. I did a threesome with her and Jana earlier this year but this was the first time I took her alone to the room. Optikfick!

Some girls' service does improve when a session is 210€ plus.

HB.

[QUOTE=Hermann666;1790323]

Went with Amina, 24, Iranian / German. From reading here she has received mixed reviews.

Also did Fatima, Slo, and Silvia, Ger.

Then the German ice queen Nadja. Real pornstar look, long blond with silicones and lots of tattoos all over. I did a threesome with her and Jana earlier this year but this was the first time I took her alone to the room. Optikfick![/QUOTE]Is Amina the girl that is quite pretty with huge natural tits? If so I did talk to her before but only kiss your her special service I. E. 1 HR.

I thought Fatima does provide kissing from what I have read before. Think Silvia is ro unless theres another Silvia and yes she doesn't kiss at all.

Nadja wasnt there on my last visit did ask Jana about her. She doesn't kiss at all right?

[QUOTE=HessenBub;1790330]Some girls' service does improve when a session is 210 plus.

HB.[/QUOTE]Yes but most does not, LOL.

For newbies the probabality isn't looking good.

[QUOTE=Exodus8;1790336]Is Amina the girl that is quite pretty with huge natural tits? If so I did talk to her before but only kiss your her special service I. E. 1 HR.

I thought Fatima does provide kissing from what I have read before. Think Silvia is ro unless theres another Silvia and yes she doesn't kiss at all.

Nadja wasnt there on my last visit did ask Jana about her. She doesn't kiss at all right?[/QUOTE]Amina is an amazingly pretty Persian princess. No huge tits. They are quite small. After reading all her reviews here I must say that my experience was very positive. I asked about kissing already in the bar and she confirmed that she does it. Yes, she tried to catch me in the staircase and yes she tried to upsell anal during the session but she's a nice girl and she provided GFE with lots of kissing and cuddling. We did 69 for a long time and she gave a very good blowjob. At the beginning of the session she asked what I wanted to do but I told her we should go with the flow and see what happens so I promised here nothing and still she gave me good GFE.

Fatima may kiss but we didn't do it just because the magic wasn't really there. Just a nice session.

Silvia / Sylvia is definitely German. We talked about where her family lives in southern Germany. I have relatives there and it was obvious that she knows the area quite well. Silvia did very light kissing. She's also a nonsmoker just like Amina.

No kissing with Nadja.

[QUOTE=Hermann666;1790342]Amina is an amazingly pretty Persian princess. No huge tits. They are quite small.

Fatima may kiss but we didn't do it just because the magic wasn't really there. Just a nice session.

Silvia / Sylvia is definitely German. We talked about where her family lives in southern Germany. I have relatives there and it was obvious that she knows the area quite well. Silvia did very light kissing. She's also a nonsmoker just like Amina.

No kissing with Nadja.[/QUOTE]This Amina must be another girl. A bit confused about Silvia anyway its not important.

Thanks for the info!

[QUOTE=Hermann666;1790342]Amina is an amazingly pretty Persian princess. No huge tits. They are quite small. After reading all her reviews here I must say that my experience was very positive. I asked about kissing already in the bar and she confirmed that she does it. Yes, she tried to catch me in the staircase and yes she tried to upsell anal during the session but she's a nice girl and she provided GFE with lots of kissing and cuddling. We did 69 for a long time and she gave a very good blowjob. At the beginning of the session she asked what I wanted to do but I told her we should go with the flow and see what happens so I promised here nothing and still she gave me good GFE.
[/QUOTE]Yes, Iranian Amina is one of the prettiest one at Artemis. She does upsell, but still provides good kissing and blow. A bit pro like lot of the girls at Artemis. Ok GFE.

[QUOTE=PussyLiccker;1790412]Yes, Iranian Amina is one of the prettiest one at Artemis. She does upsell, but still provides good kissing and blow. A bit pro like lot of the girls at Artemis. Ok GFE.[/QUOTE]Today I was back in Artemis again. My 8th visit this year. Had yet another session with Amina. 90 minutes of pure GFE NRW style. I can only compare it to my sessions at Livingroom. So pretty and so cuddly with lots of kissing and even ball licking and ball sucking. But as you say, still a pro. Money is her first objective. As long as we both are clear about it.

I also sessioned with Turkish Simai whom I sessioned with in January also. She has silicones now but they look good and not too big on her. She's so small that I can almost fit my hands around her waist.

Ended the day with a quickie with Brianna. I know her from before and knew I needed a petite intense girl to get me off for the fourth time in a day, and she succeeded.

[QUOTE=Hermann666;1790584]Today I was back in Artemis again. My 8th visit this year. Had yet another session with Amina. 90 minutes of pure GFE NRW style. I can only compare it to my sessions at Livingroom. So pretty and so cuddly with lots of kissing and even ball licking and ball sucking. But as you say, still a pro. Money is her first objective. As long as we both are clear about it.[/QUOTE]Yeah, she has lots of potential to be tops with the level of looks. She does deliver too, and that level of service at Artemis is considered pretty good I would think. She is a good find. Just that her up-selling made her come off a bit pro and reduced the GFE factor. Understandable that girls will be more prone to it at Artemis. From what I sense, additional money would maximize her service I would think.

[QUOTE=Hermann666;1790584]Today I was back in Artemis again. My 8th visit this year. Had yet another session with Amina. 90 minutes of pure GFE NRW style. I can only compare it to my sessions at Livingroom. So pretty and so cuddly with lots of kissing and even ball licking and ball sucking. But as you say, still a pro. Money is her first objective. As long as we both are clear about it..[/QUOTE]Living room is good? LU better than Artemis? Like less silicone, less tattoo, or?

[QUOTE=MrHo;1790613]Living room is good? LU better than Artemis? Like less silicone, less tattoo, or?[/QUOTE]LR service is good. I would say you are more of a GT guy. GT and LR are sister clubs. GT has varied LU with small percentage of Romanians. LR has high percentage like most clubs, and lack of silies and tattoos. It's easy to check both of them out since GT LU starts early during the daytime, and you can get discount to go to LR their sister club on the same day. That is if you drive as GT is out in middle of nowhere toward the NL.

[QUOTE=PussyLiccker;1790625]LR service is good. I would say you are more of a GT guy. GT and LR are sister clubs. GT has varied LU with small percentage of Romanians. LR has high percentage like most clubs, and lack of silies and tattoos. It's easy to check both of them out since GT LU starts early during the daytime, and you can get discount to go to LR their sister club on the same day. That is if you drive as GT is out in middle of nowhere toward the NL.[/QUOTE]Thank you Mr Pussy licker. I managed to hit Hessen area this summer for long time going to each different clubs. I had to say FKK sharks and Oase had more kind girls out of all FKK I went to so far and as for sharks service was good. Oase it was like Artemis level service, but girls are more friendlier than Artemis. Palace is good, but it is upsell all the time and hard club to stay all day since it is all indoor. All this made me appreciate the Artemis atmosphere and facility.

Artemis in general has balanced girls though almost half are Romanians and rest are variety of different nationalities, some with plastic, some not.

I have to make way to NRW at one point, but I got to say out of all my favorite girls I met in FKK, majority were ex Globe Zürich girls. , so maybe I should base my self in Berlin for Artemis and fly just two days visit to Zürich from Berlin as Zürich globe apparently has good LU, but less number of girls, so two days, you can pretty much do the ones I like.

Fly in punters have hard time making schedule, but I appreciated Artemis this summer during Hessen FKK visits.

Indeed, I also tend to bump into alot of ex Globe girls both in hessen and artemis. Although I also tend to bump into quite a few ex LR girls. Any idea how large the Globe lineup is?

[QUOTE=Pistons;1790654]Indeed, I also tend to bump into alot of ex Globe girls both in hessen and artemis. Although I also tend to bump into quite a few ex LR girls. Any idea how large the Globe lineup is?[/QUOTE]Yeah, and all these ex globe girls are hot, but got to pay more for good service.

So sometimes, since I do pay sometimes more or just go for longer session to get best service, I begin to think I should maybe fly into Zürich for 1 or 2 days to just do deep actions there, and keep Artemis as fuck and go type of sessions.

I hear LU at globe is not so big, maybe 15 to 20 girls??

I've ran into a few, not at Artemis as I haven't visited that much. I can recall 3 right now. Two of them were quite erotic types. One at GT was really playful outside the room teasing with lots of men. Another was quite naturally erotic in how she talks and behaved. Of course in the room also. Had a bit of PSE type experience in the room, and easygoing. The other was GFE. Could be just coincidence, but perhaps outside working at Globe in Germany and maintain a certain service level right after? I dunno if that's generally the case with ex-Globe girls.

I have visited Globe, and it wasn't a big club. Had some artificial decorations like bricks and fake plants and stuff trying to create some sort of an environment. Pretty tacky. Also, it was dimly lighted. Had a stripper pole a girl would dance at times. I was there on a Tuesday, and the mood seemed a bit mellow, a contrast from Artemis. But, perhaps weekends are different. You can take the elevator up to the terrace or the roof where there are a bunch of beach chairs, you can hear the train roll by. It's not a big club, and there wasn't that many girls in the level of Artemis or big Hessen (more Mainhattan or Palace numbers), and I saw a natural blond, and a siliconized tatooed blond perhaps Germans, and met some Romanians there too. Also, there are older types, one I recall was probably late 30's. The girls I saw there weren't knock your socks off level, but good bodies and no uglies. That was my take.

Girls try to spend some time with you probably because if you spend enough time with them, you'd commit to a room. Not quickly or in a pushy way.

[QUOTE=PussyLiccker;1790672]I've ran into a few, not at Artemis as I haven't visited that much. I can recall 3 right now. Two of them were quite erotic types. One at GT was really playful outside the room teasing with lots of men. Another was quite naturally erotic in how she talks and behaved. Of course in the room also. Had a bit of PSE type experience in the room, and easygoing. The other was GFE. Could be just coincidence, but perhaps outside working at Globe in Germany and maintain a certain service level right after? I dunno if that's generally the case with ex-Globe girls.

I have visited Globe, and it wasn't a big club. Had some artificial decorations like bricks and fake plants and stuff trying to create some sort of an environment. Pretty tacky. Also, it was dimly lighted. Had a stripper pole a girl would dance at times. I was there on a Tuesday, and the mood seemed a bit mellow, a contrast from Artemis. But, perhaps weekends are different. You can take the elevator up to the terrace or the roof where there are a bunch of beach chairs, you can hear the train roll by. It's not a big club, and there wasn't that many girls in the level of Artemis or big Hessen (more Mainhattan or Palace numbers), and I saw a natural blond, and a siliconized tatooed blond perhaps Germans, and met some Romanians there too. Also, there are older types, one I recall was probably late 30's. The girls I saw there weren't knock your socks off level, but good bodies and no uglies. That was my take.

Girls try to spend some time with you probably because if you spend enough time with them, you'd commit to a room. Not quickly or in a pushy way.[/QUOTE]Do you know if LU at Globe is good from 11:00 AM morning or 1 PM because I am thinking of flying in from Berlin to Zürich for just a day to check it out, so obviously I will only be at globe from 11:00 AM till let say 6 PM ish, so I wonder if LU is quite up and good from the morning at globe?

[QUOTE=Pistons;1790654]Any idea how large the Globe lineup is?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MrHo;1790632]so maybe I should base my self in Berlin for Artemis and fly just two days visit to Zrich from Berlin as Zrich globe apparently has good LU, but less number of girls,[/QUOTE]Globe line-up is approx. 55-60 on Thu/Fri/Sat, 40-ish on Sun/Tue (the quietest days), and something in-between on Mon/Wed.

Mon & Thu are FKK, Wed is Dessous, and the rest bikinis-at-most. Sun has free food from noon til 5pm, on other days you have to pay up in the restaurant.

My favourite days are the "Goldilocks" days of Mon and Wed, good LU but not too much competition. For two days in a row, I'd go for Sun & Mon, or Thu & Fri if you want the full LU. There's only one long shift, and they are all there by 2pm, so may as well go as early as possible, especially on Thu.

[QUOTE=ShoesAndSocks;1790686]Globe line-up is approx. 55-60 on Thu/Fri/Sat, 40-ish on Sun/Tue (the quietest days), and something in-between on Mon/Wed.

Mon & Thu are FKK, Wed is Dessous, and the rest bikinis-at-most. Sun has free food from noon til 5pm, on other days you have to pay up in the restaurant.

My favourite days are the "Goldilocks" days of Mon and Wed, good LU but not too much competition. For two days in a row, I'd go for Sun & Mon, or Thu & Fri if you want the full LU. There's only one long shift, and they are all there by 2pm, so may as well go as early as possible, especially on Thu.[/QUOTE]Oh, thank you. Now that I did Hessen properly, I may hit globe flying in from Berlin 11 days straight Artemis for too much, so I did Hessen trying few clubs around I kinda liked it, though I liked place in Hessen area the most (beside upsell).

I met few former globe and I liked the looks of the girls and service after upsell, so I will hit globe at one point I think 1 or 2 days are enough in globe and rest will be Artemis.

A couple of good reports, so maybe I need to give her another chance. I like her look very much, but my only session with her was very sharky. I most recently saw her at Paradise Stuttgart, and I was tempted to take her then. We chatted for a while, but I decided against.

There are not many GFE options at Artemis, so it would be good to see that side of her.

Given two recent positive reports likely her service has improved. Only way to find out. Also, I have not seen her much on my visit after my session besides seeing her go up the stairs.

Hi folks,

I plan to be in Berlin shortly. I heard that the most populated days in Artemis are Friday and Saturday.

1- Is this true?

2- If so, is this true for both girls and men or only for men, while the ratio girls: men is less favorable?

3- If so, are the girls on those days more sharky?

4- Can you rank the days in the week according to the amount of girls that are available in Artemis?

5- Can you do the same according to the ratio girls: men?

I could also visit Artemis late on Thursday, but will probably be tired from the flight. However, if visiting late on Thursday I will enjoy more than on Friday or Saturday, I would do it. What is your advice?

[QUOTE=Sanpedro;1790977]Hi folks,

I plan to be in Berlin shortly. I heard that the most populated days in Artemis are Friday and Saturday. 1- Is this true?2- If so, is this true for both girls and men or only for men, while the ratio girls: men is less favorable? What is your advice?[/QUOTE]RTFF Discussed many times: [URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2588-FKK-Artemis-Berlin&p=1292977&viewfull=1[/URL]#post1292977.

Other questions irrelevant.

Advices: less time on spreadsheet, more time on bed sheet.

[QUOTE=Frozty;1790956]A couple of good reports, so maybe I need to give her another chance. I like her look very much, but my only session with her was very sharky. I most recently saw her at Paradise Stuttgart, and I was tempted to take her then. We chatted for a while, but I decided against.

There are not many GFE options at Artemis, so it would be good to see that side of her.[/QUOTE]There are not many GFE (include real DFK, intense passionate session) in German FKK unless you extend the session or pay up or get to know a girl after few session thus it is hassle.

We get lucky now and then, but it is quite rare, so knowing so, I begin to think flying into globe for one or two days and pay double with guaranteed good sex GFE intense session than trying my luck or playing game in German FKK to get good session, at least at globe it takes my worry away for bad session.

Then as for German FKK, use it as quick bangs or 30 min and focus GFE for globe.

[QUOTE=MrHo;1791543]There are not many GFE (include real DFK, intense passionate session) in German FKK unless you extend the session or pay up or get to know a girl after few session thus it is hassle.

We get lucky now and then, but it is quite rare, so knowing so, I begin to think flying into globe for one or two days and pay double with guaranteed good sex GFE intense session than trying my luck or playing game in German FKK to get good session, at least at globe it takes my worry away for bad session.

Then as for German FKK, use it as quick bangs or 30 min and focus GFE for globe.[/QUOTE]Or go to Livingroom or one of the other clubs in NRW. All girls provided excellent DFK and GFE without me even asking when I visited Livingroom.

Was at Artemis last week. What an experience, albeit pricey!

80 euro to get in, 60 for a 30 min pop excluding extras, you will come out 400 E down at the bank.

Most girls good, some terrible in behavior!

1st part was around noon to 3 pm, 25 girls to 10 men. I saw the attention you got was better.

Came back for part 2 at night, 50 men to 50 men! Literally had to stalk a preferred girl to grab her as soon as she finished sharking someone.

Overall quality would be good to excellent.

In terms of service, ID still say I got it better at the bordellos but still good to excellent.

Had 3 girls, ? Nadia 7/10, Marielle 7/10 but not kiss or finger even as extras (I don't do it here!) and a 11/10 for this Columbian who did it all for 60! (ill get her name).

Worth visiting at least once if you have never, but for the bang for buck, some bordellos come out better.

[QUOTE=Hermann666;1791708]Or go to Livingroom or one of the other clubs in NRW. All girls provided excellent DFK and GFE without me even asking when I visited Livingroom.[/QUOTE]This Living room in NRW keep coming up lately and begin to get my interest thank you.

How are the LU? Is it as good as palace or Artemis?

Are there any or some German girls? Not just Romanians?

[QUOTE=NookyNinja;1791106]
Advices: less time on spreadsheet, more time on bed sheet.[/QUOTE]Haha, I liked that one. Going to use it! .

[QUOTE=MrHo;1791954]This Living room in NRW keep coming up lately and begin to get my interest thank you.

How are the LU? Is it as good as palace or Artemis?

Are there any or some German girls? Not just Romanians?[/QUOTE]No, not like Palace or Artemis as far as the LU. Very minor if there are. Maybe 1 or 2 at times. Service is the draw, and you really should find out what is meant by "good service." You may really like it. It can change what you think of what a good service is. Just a different experience.

[QUOTE=PussyLiccker;1792065]No, not like Palace or Artemis as far as the LU. Very minor if there are. Maybe 1 or 2 at times. Service is the draw, and you really should find out what is meant by "good service." You may really like it. It can change what you think of what a good service is. Just a different experience.[/QUOTE]Yes, think of Artemis as a one night stand you meet in a bar. Think of Livingroom as the next door girl you just fell in love with.

[QUOTE=Hermann666;1792101]Yes, think of Artemis as a one night stand you meet in a bar. Think of Livingroom as the next door girl you just fell in love with.[/QUOTE]LOL Thats right, artemis is just a bar! ! Well put it this way, much cheaper and less hassle than doing it in normal bar with normal girls. FKK is the way of life!

Advice from regulars needed.

I plan to be there in Dec. Ideally, weekend of Dec. 12-13. But I see Messe will have tradeshows that weekend. The week before, no Messe activity. So if I go as planned, does the Messe crowd really ruin the Artemis experience? Should I avoid and reschedule trip for week before? Sometimes things get over exaggerated or is it that bad.

Also, I hear lots of girls leave for holiday break during this time. I'm hoping they don't go on holiday too soon in Dec.

Thanks for any advice and apologies in advance if this has been asked a million times already.

[QUOTE=ChuckZ;1792410]I plan to be there in Dec. Ideally, weekend of Dec. 12-13. But I see Messe will have tradeshows that weekend. ... Also, I hear lots of girls leave for holiday break during this time. I'm hoping they don't go on holiday too soon in Dec.[/QUOTE]Don't worry about that weekend. Expect just the usual weekend crowd. IMHO the holiday season will start after the following weekend (Dec 19-20).

[QUOTE=Pharisaer;1792601]Don't worry about that weekend. Expect just the usual weekend crowd. IMHO the holiday season will start after the following weekend (Dec 19-20).[/QUOTE]Thanks Pharisaer. I can handle the usual wkend crowd. The only problem now is waiting for December to roll around. Patience, patience.

Ok I had my first visit to Artemis yesterday and loved it.

4 hours and 3 girls.

Don't remember there name but the first one looked like a young Rihanna and had the BOMB ass and face.

The second one looked a bit crazy and talked alot making jokes and wanted to bites everyones ear all the time I think she was from Romania?

Last one was the pornstar of Artemis she hade fake lips and fake big boobs very skinny and superblond.

All 3 sessions was 60€ 30 min BJ and sex and they all were really good.

Payed 50 extra to blow Rihanna in her young cute face.

I don't find any of the girls on Artemis homepage so I guess its bad updated.

What I don't like about the barfloor is all the smoke in there and I was very warm so I hang around in the stairs, kino and wellnes area.

Food ok I twa spagetti bolognese it was NOT the best but it was ok to fill the belly and keep going.

Will defenetly go back again!

Is there any FKK in europe were we / you all can agree have even sexier girls then Artemis or is Artemis the best FKK if I look for the best looking girls and don't care about the price, feeling or atitude?

We have gone on an FKK tour beginning with FKK Oase, FKK World and then Artemis. Hence, I can honestly and personally compare the 3 FKKs. For me FKK Oase is now the best and the only one I would visit again. Two years ago during my FKK tour, my favourite was Artemis, but now. It has become different. Gone are the friendly sweet girls like Susie (de), Maya (Polish).

Carolina (Polish) and even Nikole (Czech) . Yes even Nikole was very sweet and kind then. Now, the air and aura in Artemis is different. It has been replaced with girls walking with a snobby or domineering attitude. They come on too strong like "Hi you want to go up" so I answer "can we talk first" She will then answer you with "No we talk upstairs" You don't like OK! Whats with this attitude. These girls should bear in mind that customers here want to fuck more than 1 girl a night. This means that customers just don't feel horny and ejaculate, they want to become horny lots of times and cum lots of times in one night so the girls should make the customers horny. So it will not help if they are rude, businesslike and unpleasant. Moreover, they project the aura that they are the Boss, the girls here must have forgotten that they are being paid for service. To make their customers happy. So the customer is king.

BELiNDA. Worst service.

There was this tall girl with black hair standing by the doorway who seemed friendly. However, it all turned downhill with her bossy attitude in the room. She got really mad when I touched my own dick with condom. She says I should not touch the condom. She also ordered me not to touch her pussy. What the fuck? For me, its ok not to touch as I'm very safe, I don't allow BBBJ on me. However, why can't these girls just say these things in a sweet, courteous and soft manner. Not the type where your dick will become really limp. Almost all the girls in artemis are like this now. They don't talk to you in a sweet, soft and friendly manner like in Oase World or in other FKKs, they talk to you in a way which will make you really turned off and feel disrespected. They usually order the customers instead of telling them nicely on what to do.

I talked to one of the girls about this attitude in Artemis and she agreed with me. She says that's why most customers don't get girls or if they do they just get one for the entire night. Luckily for her, her attitude is an exception. She is very friendly and sweet. I told her about Oase, where the girls will sit with you and touch you and to convince you further, will give you a BBBJ on the sofa. I did not find any of this is Artemis. I could not find a single graceful sweet girl here in Artemis. It has been replaced with MOSTLY Bossy, Snobby, Disrespectful and ugly tattooed women who look like veteran sluts.

In addition to the rude, bossy sluts in Artemis. The Bartenders seem to have joined this attitude. They will totally ignore you and just continue to smoke and chat with the girls and will seem annoyed if you don't say please. I don't know if its just me but I feel they are intentionally and purposely delaying the giving of drinks and will make you wait to demonstrate to you that they are also the boss here.

[QUOTE=Pilyo;1793469]We have gone on an FKK tour beginning with FKK Oase, FKK World and then Artemis. Hence, I can honestly and personally compare the 3 FKKs. For me FKK Oase is now the best and the only one I would visit again. Two years ago during my FKK tour, my favourite was Artemis, but now. It has become different. Gone are the friendly sweet girls like Susie (de), Maya (Polish).

Carolina (Polish) and even Nikole (Czech) . Yes even Nikole was very sweet and kind then. Now, the air and aura in Artemis is different. It has been replaced with girls walking with a snobby or domineering attitude. They come on too strong like "Hi you want to go up" so I answer "can we talk first" She will then answer you with "No we talk upstairs" You don't like OK! Whats with this attitude. These girls should bear in mind that customers here want to fuck more than 1 girl a night. This means that customers just don't feel horny and ejaculate, they want to become horny lots of times and cum lots of times in one night so the girls should make the customers horny. So it will not help if they are rude, businesslike and unpleasant. Moreover, they project the aura that they are the Boss, the girls here must have forgotten that they are being paid for service. To make their customers happy. So the customer is king..[/QUOTE]You must know that ho are ho, when girls are ho for long time, she no longer have ability to talk normally as ho are angry toward their miserable lives LOL.

However, some ho in Artemis are nice girls, some are just ho like every other FKK. When I hit jackpot I extend session and I repeat. When I hit ho, then normally I just fuck her from back hard and out of room in less than 30 min.

Like the famous saying, in FKK, some you win some you lose.

[QUOTE=Pilyo;1793469]I could not find a single graceful sweet girl here in Artemis. It has been replaced with MOSTLY Bossy, Snobby, Disrespectful and ugly tattooed women who look like veteran sluts.[/QUOTE]Sorry for you experience. But all subjective. And maybe because of you a little? Bad mood, or bad choices or both? Can be. Ninja know at least 10 girls there who are GFE, sweet, slow, soft, respectful, fun. And local mens return every week, and feel same.

[QUOTE=MrHo;1793516]You must know that ho are ho, when girls are ho for long time, she no longer have ability to talk normally as ho are angry toward their miserable lives LOL.

However, some ho in Artemis are nice girls, some are just ho like every other FKK. When I hit jackpot I extend session and I repeat. When I hit ho, then normally I just fuck her from back hard and out of room in less than 30 min.

Like the famous saying, in FKK, some you win some you lose.[/QUOTE]The reason why I wrote this is for many customers and readers of ISG to realise and know that this behaviour and attitude is not really the normal. This behaviour of the girls in Artemis probably evolved and happened because the customers have already accepted this as the standard and they could get away with it. But this is not the standard. I have been to Artemis before and this is not the ambiance and attitude of the girls 2 years ago. Seldom could you see girls walking back and forth in a very macho manner seemingly in a hurry without looking at anybody. Many would graciously talk to you and SEDUCE you. Now, it seldom happens so goodbye to the multiple 5 to 7 sessions. After one fuck, I hit the road.

Mr Ho, I don't think you should just accept and make do with this poor service and performance by fucking them hard. Customers should report and tell the owner and manager their observations and reviews so that the owners would know what needs to be changed. From food to the bartender to the girls attitude. This is what I did when asked by the receptionist about my experience. She even introduced me to the owner and I told her about my experience and told her that the girls are more macho and bossy in attitude rather than being sexy alluring and seducing.

If they don't want to fuck and work here. , then they don't have business here. I pay good money to have good service. My 80 Euro is for me to enjoy the entire club's ambiance. The 60 E is for the fucking. So I should get my money's worth.

[QUOTE=Pilyo;1793479]In addition to the rude, bossy sluts in Artemis. The Bartenders seem to have joined this attitude. They will totally ignore you and just continue to smoke and chat with the girls and will seem annoyed if you don't say please. I don't know if its just me but I feel they are intentionally and purposely delaying the giving of drinks and will make you wait to demonstrate to you that they are also the boss here.[/QUOTE]Yes I also pointed that out on my last visit. Maybe they do it bc there are alot of rude people there. Would be different if there was another club in Berlin.

[QUOTE=MrHo;1793516]

Like the famous saying, in FKK, some you win some you lose.[/QUOTE]But you keep on fucking, LOL.

[QUOTE=Pilyo;1793479] I feel they are intentionally and purposely delaying the giving of drinks .[/QUOTE]Less drinks, lower cost. They can't afford to give you too many drinks when charging 80€ "only".

HB.

[QUOTE=Pilyo;1793479]In addition to the rude, bossy sluts in Artemis. The Bartenders seem to have joined this attitude. They will totally ignore you and just continue to smoke and chat with the girls and will seem annoyed if you don't say please. I don't know if its just me but I feel they are intentionally and purposely delaying the giving of drinks and will make you wait to demonstrate to you that they are also the boss here.[/QUOTE]The upstairs bar is a bit busy and the service is not top notch. But I get over this by going to the downstairs swimming pool bar and get drinks. And they are never busy and always faster and friendlier. If I remember you can only get alcoholic drinks at the upstairs smoky room, but you have to pay for those anyhow, so they are just slow and stupid and mediocre in service.

Overall Artemis is pretty good, but the bar staff are pathetically slow by any reasonable standards.

[QUOTE=DeltaIndigo;1793650]The upstairs bar is a bit busy and the service is not top notch. But I get over this by going to the downstairs swimming pool bar and get drinks. And they are never busy and always faster and friendlier. If I remember you can only get alcoholic drinks at the upstairs smoky room, but you have to pay for those anyhow, so they are just slow and stupid and mediocre in service.

Overall Artemis is pretty good, but the bar staff are pathetically slow by any reasonable standards.[/QUOTE]I wish Artemis will install some smoking room like Palace, so bar area won't be smoky;.

I never had any problems with the staff.

I think they are friendly most of the times. I don't know about everyone but I'm from Scandinavian countries I guess and I usually thank them for my drink, because I think it's like behaving good in an unkown land and with foreign people.

But I haven't been in Artemis for over a year now so hard to tell.

All I can say now is like Puttex your Rihanna looking girl sounds like Valeska. She is really sweet girl and it's good to hear she's still working in there.

[QUOTE=HessenBub;1793626]Less drinks, lower cost. They can't afford to give you too many drinks when charging 80 "only".

HB[/QUOTE]This is not true. 1. 5 liters of water is only. 40 euro while 1 liter of soft drinks is around 2 euro in the supermarket. The average customer maybe consumes around 2 euro in free drinks. Its a very small amount to be considering. I made this comment based on comparison with FKK Oase service in their bar, which I think is ideal. Anyway, my criticism seems to have worked the 2nd time I went to Artemis, the slow disinterested and sad bartender was replaced with 2 new women with snappy improved service.

I never had any problems with the staff at Artemis rather the opposite to be honest. There are sharky girls at all FKK's also at Artemis of course. I have only visited Oase one time but that was a terrible experience for me 50+ girls none of them had a good body (slim, enhanced tits) on the other hand they had younger girls than Artemis many with sweet faces, saggy tits with to much weight on most of them. And the most annoying thing they kept asking to go to the room all the time even when you had turned them down 4-5 times this doesn't happen at Artemis in my experience, they have the same problem at FKK Palace but they at least have / had a few really good looking girls.

It looks like you had a bad day at Artemis and I feel sorry for you but I would recommend all of you out there to read the recommendations of the regulars because this problem is not very common at Artemis.

[QUOTE=Pilyo;1793469]

I talked to one of the girls about this attitude in Artemis and she agreed with me. She says that's why most customers don't get girls or if they do they just get one for the entire night. Luckily for her, her attitude is an exception. She is very friendly and sweet. I told her about Oase, where the girls will sit with you and touch you and to convince you further, will give you a BBBJ on the sofa. I did not find any of this is Artemis. I could not find a single graceful sweet girl here in Artemis. It has been replaced with MOSTLY Bossy, Snobby, Disrespectful and ugly tattooed women who look like veteran sluts.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Toxteth;1793743]I have only visited Oase one time but that was a terrible experience for me 50+ girls none of them had a good body (slim, enhanced tits) on the other hand they had younger girls than Artemis many with sweet faces, saggy tits with to much weight on most of them. And the most annoying thing they kept asking to go to the room all the time even when you had turned them down 4-5 times this doesn't happen at Artemis in my experience, they have the same problem at FKK Palace but they at least have / had a few really good looking girls.[/QUOTE]It looks like we have a very different taste. Can't compare with Artemis bc was only once there some time ago. But I wasn't impressed at Artemis. But I know Oase (around 250 visits) and Palace (around 20 visits) quite good. Oase was for many years my number one club, lots of beauties. Unfortunately Oase made a lot of mistakes in the last three years. But still Oase is a top club with some young girls with beautiful bodys and faces at the moment like Beatrice, Surgenella, Isabella, Elisabeth, Roxanna, Laura and some more. I would be surprised if Oase LU couldn't compete with Artemis. Average service level went down at Oase like all other big5 Frankfurt clubs. But AFAIK always at least at Artemis level, due to lack of competition in Berlin.

In the other thing I have a firm opinion. Palace line up is the worst of all big5 Frankfurt clubs far behind Oase. I'm curious about the few really good looking girls at Palace, please name them.

[QUOTE=Craiova;1793758]I'm curious about the few really good looking girls at Palace, please name them.[/QUOTE]Yes please name girls. In Palace thread where they belong.

My 4 good sessions with 2 girls in Artemis.

First day Oct. 26.

Claris (Ro).

She is quite pretty, MILF but only 21 year old She looked at me from afar when I arrived and our eyes locked. She then approached me but I said I have to have dinner first. After dinner, I went downstairs to the bar. I was again approached by her and so I asked her if I could see her pussy in the bar. Without hesitation, she raised her legs and smiled. I asked her to go to the kino with me, she readily agreed and sucked me there. After a while, we went to the zimmer and fucked in all positions. She was quite sweet and friendly but there are instances where I think she has to demonstrate her bossy and rude attitude like the other girls. '.

Jana (De).

She is the blonde friendly German 28 year old She is very different from the other girls as she will approach you in a friendly manner. We talked and she listened and gives some time for the customer to relax and get comfortable with her. She makes it appear that she is interested in you and not just your money. So I went with her. Her service is good. No rush, quite passionate and she appeared or MAKES IT APPEAR to have enjoyed the session.

These 2 are the good girls at Artemis. On my 2nd visit I again repeated the sessions with them so I could forget the awful session with Belinda.

Adriana (Ro).

Very sexy slim black haired girl with new boobs. I did the angry fuck with this girl. She was quite friendly but while pounding her, instead of looking aroused and enjoying, she looked angry. She was ok but she cursed a lot. Especially when I missed the target and almost fucked her ass. LOL. I got her a year ago. Before she was pleasant and has a soft attitude but now her attitude seems to be evolving to the present norm which is quite aggressive, almost rude and impolite in the room. After sex, she was friendly again and we talked. What the fuck is this? Are the girls here turning into psychos?

[QUOTE=Toxteth;1793743]I never had any problems with the staff at Artemis rather the opposite to be honest. There are sharky girls at all FKK's also at Artemis of course. I have only visited Oase one time but that was a terrible experience for me 50+ girls none of them had a good body (slim, enhanced tits) on the other hand they had younger girls than Artemis many with sweet faces, saggy tits with to much weight on most of them. And the most annoying thing they kept asking to go to the room all the time even when you had turned them down 4-5 times this doesn't happen at Artemis in my experience, they have the same problem at FKK Palace but they at least have / had a few really good looking girls.

It looks like you had a bad day at Artemis and I feel sorry for you but I would recommend all of you out there to read the recommendations of the regulars because this problem is not very common at Artemis.[/QUOTE]Actually, when I went there last week, there were only about 1 or 2 women there with saggy tits, but they had beautiful faces and bodies. At this time, the Oase Line up is way superior than Artemis. In any event I will go back to Artemis to again check their line up. I cannot understand why you are defending and justifying the Artemis management and bad behavior of the girls at Artemis. They need to improve so that we all will be happier customers and not be contented with very poor service. If you say the food, the service and the girls attitude is good in Artemis then they will not improve it. Hence, I encourage all of the readers here to complain and tell the management what you felt in the club when you went there so that they could make everything better. If Artemis management can make the 60 E BBBJ and fuck unwritten rule and impose it in the club, then they could obviously just tell all the girls there to stop walking around like Macho Amazons (German girls and some girls) with the " I don't care about you if you don't like me attitude. " Imagine if all the women there are very cordial, sweet and would at least smile and SEDUCE you instead of asking if you want to fuck, we all would surely have at least 10 sessions in one day! LOL.

That's the missing component here. The seduction part. Most of the girls don't even seduce their customers so the customers would take them immediately to the room. It would be easier to decide to fuck if you already feel comfortable or excited with a girl. Thats why after 1 or 2 fucks and have already unloaded all your horniness, you want to go home. There's nothing to see and experience except naked girls. Artemis management should teach their girls HOW TO SEDUCE I. E. Opening legs a little, whispering sexy comments, telling a customer she likes him, or sucking his dick in the sofas, or plainly just smiling. Very very easy to do instead of walking there back and forth in and out and asking the customers if they want to go to the room. For example, there was this pretty blonde who I really was very horny with. She approached me and sat beside me. We talked, it was ok, so I felt a little horny and when I tried to get a glimpse of her pussy while she was sitting, she instead crossed her legs and told me I could see it only in the room. What the fuck? She's naked all day so a peek could do no harm. That is how some girls are really stupid. Instead of closing the deal, I was turned off because I felt if she could be this uncooperative or domineering outside and before the session, then she will surely be uncooperative and unpleasant in the zimmer. JANA and CLARIS are exceptions to the majority of the girls in Artemis that's why they have regulars and are taken to the zimmer everytime. I repeated my sessions with them. The second time Jana approached me on my 2nd visit, she sat with me, asked me how my day was, and grabbed my dick, while staring sweetly at my eyes. So the effect was I immediately took her to the zimmer even if I swore to myself to get a new girl.

[QUOTE=Toxteth;1793743]I never had any problems with the staff at Artemis rather the opposite to be honest. There are sharky girls at all FKK's also at Artemis of course. I have only visited Oase one time but that was a terrible experience for me 50+ girls none of them had a good body (slim, enhanced tits) on the other hand they had younger girls than Artemis many with sweet faces, saggy tits with to much weight on most of them. And the most annoying thing they kept asking to go to the room all the time even when you had turned them down 4-5 times this doesn't happen at Artemis in my experience, they have the same problem at FKK Palace but they at least have / had a few really good looking girls.

It looks like you had a bad day at Artemis and I feel sorry for you but I would recommend all of you out there to read the recommendations of the regulars because this problem is not very common at Artemis.[/QUOTE]I beg to disagree. In Oase, when you turn them down, they will approach you again and again smiling. They will be sweet and try to be funny and try other SWEET or SEXY methods of persuading you to change you mind. Yes, its true some are a bit rude but never to a degree as that in Artemis.

In Artemis, I had this experience with 3 girls when I turned down them down, one girl hit my head! (quite impolitely), 2nd girl shouted curses at me and the 3rd girl stared at me angrily and said You don't want, its up to you. Its true they were only 3 girls out of the more than 20 I turned down but hey, this did not happen to me in other FKK clubs. I was never hit in the head! Girls here in Artemis are starting to get quite arrogant to the point that they don't respect their customers anymore. I am very respectful to these women, I always answer "you are very beautiful but I have to rest a while" and those are the responses I get from these 3 girls. These should be addressed immediately by the management.

Hey all, last month I was in Artemis for the first time, so I though its time to give something back eventho its not much.

Before I went, I've been reading like 100 pages in here. So I almost felt like an regular when I entered LOL. I took the S train to Westkreuz at about 8 pm it was Saturday, the walk to Artemis is quite safe, but there was a parking lot which I think could get.

Quite dark at night. Paid the fee and for some beer tokens, the lady asked if it was my first time, I said yes I'm a virgin with a smile, she didn't laugh damn. At my locker, some guy was clothing up, asked if it was a nice relaxing wellness, he said no its hell.

Full of pussies! LOL Ok went inside, it was crowded guys standing at the stairs watching and girls walking around. At the bar there were smoke all over the place, it was kinda weird when you stand at the glass door towards the bar and split the room in 2.

There were a bunch of girls sitting on the left, and all the guys on the right. I got a beer and stood at the end of the bar, was really enjoying the view, but I had to be careful though cause if I staired too long on the same girl, she would catch my eye and.

Come towards me.

Mariella, 20 Hamburg blond.

As I finally got a seat at the bar, this girl walked up to me. She looked so cute in the face and we talked a bit. But you know the situation, when your talking with a girl you look them in the eyes, so I didn't dare look down on the rest of her body, that.

Would be rude right?. But she was fine, like a student next door girl, the body is not my type, I like them slim, but I like the cutiness in her face and attitude. Great blowjob and nice ride, 1 hour session as I was about to come, I told her to jerk me off.

Sometimes you get a free shot at the girls face by mistake, but unfortunately she aimed towards me so I shot myself at the upper body and my chin damn! We laughed, and talked a bit. She was about to turn 21, and shared apartment with Amira from.

Iran in Hamburg, told me she was a good fuck. Asked her how she knew that, well they fucked eachother as they were roommates good girl niiiice. Never got to meet amira tho, guess she was busy that night, wasnt even sure how she looked like.

Went down to the sauna to relax, nice place to meet other guys to talk to. Guys from Italy, Norway, Germany, Africa got a drink and sat at the bar. It was relaxing, but hell I was here for the girls, eventho I couldn't fuck I should at least look at them, so.

I went up to hell again LOL I guess Saturday night must be Artemis prime time. There were some nice poledancing striptease, but the panties didn't come off, weird as all the other girls in the club were naked LOL. A bunch of guys looked like gang.

Members (big cross on their backs) was loud, drinking and having a good time, I was thinking better not be too close to them. A security guy was suddenly standing in the corner, very fast didn't even see where he came from. Guess Artemis wanted to.

Show that there are eyes on the place. Well I took a stand at the end of the bar near some Romanian girls, damn they were hot. 2 of them were teasing me, asked if I could fuck like Jackie Chan LOL as the other girl walked back to the sofa, I asked.

The girl in front of me.

Roberta, Romanian blackhair, didn't get her age, but ill guess around 25.

Cute face, she were wearing a pearl necklace that made her look like a cute sexy princess, or a pornstar. Slim sexy body no silicone, 1 hour session, I had a hard time coming and she knew that. So she said we should take a small break, asked if I mind her.

Smoking nah I don't kiss anyway. I was feeling damn is she going to cheat me, but nope, after she was done it was time to get the little guy up again. Without asking she smacked her pussy up my face in a 69 niiiice, she gave a BJ in some position.

That made me feel like coming very soon. Said OMG baby I'm going to come in your mouth, she had a dick in her mouth so the answer was MMhmM like in yes. Suddenly I shot her in her mouth, but I guess in the position I shot her in, hit directy in her.

Throat, so she started to cough. But I wasnt done, so as my dick fell out of her mouth it continued shooting hitting around her mouth and nose, I couldn't stop laughing that was hilarous! What a mess, she was like daaaamn you in a funny way. Told.

Her no worries, sperm is good for wrinkles and smooth skin, she was like Ill give you smooth skin and she started rubbing her sperm face against mine daaaamn great fun session had to tip her as she never gave up on making me coming. As we walked.

Down the stairs we saw the other teasing blond girl on the way up, said I was going to fuck her later for teasing me, Roberta said Yeah do it! She's my best friend from Romania too.

It was getting past midnight now, and wasnt sure if I was up for anymore, anyway went down to the sauna. Again the great meet other guys place, talked to some guy from UK both in Sauna and later in the Bar still downstairs. Now it was about 2 am.

The uk guy went home, and I went back up to look at girls. At the glass door stood a stunning blond, with a cute smile.

Amy, Berlin blond slim, no silicon, didn't get her age, but she have been in the university so maybe 25+.

She stood smiling at me, I smiled back, walked up to her and told her that she was very beautiful and hot, but I wasnt sure if junior would work anymore that night, junior is a sleep. She told me to trust her with a sexy blink of an eye. Asked her well if.

We go up, what was she going to do to me, step by step. Told me she was going to kiss me and move downwards give a BJ and do some magic with her pussy LOL told I didn't kiss but ld like to try her magic tho. 1½ hour session, very tuff for her, BJ, fuck.

Oil on dick with some handwork, then blow again, fuck again and so on, while we were fucking there were some weird kinda alarmsound, but mixed with techno music it just reminded of another bad techno mix. After the 3rd condom, she turned for a 69.

As she came I was drowning in her juices, and needed to breath some, she even asked if I was ok LOL now it was time to fuck again. She said lets try another type of condom a more thin one, yeah lets do that! She sat on top and rode me, wooow now.

I could feel her magic or was it a feeling of a more thin condom, short after I came inside of her and she just kept on riding slow and slowere until she knew I was all empty. As she was slipping off, I told her if she got pregnant and the baby was half asian.

She should come look for me, she answered that she already fucked lots of asian boys that night damn very nice girl. As we were walking to the safe lockers, we saw firefighters LOL, so there were a real alarm. Guess some small fire or something had.

Triggered the alarm, or maybe it was all that smoke in the bar. Anyway if it were serious, at least turn off the damn techno music, otherwise it just sounds like another horrible techno mix.

Artemis was fun, of course I also had to decline many offers, escpecially as I was accidently getting eye contact with them as I was watching from a far. Already looking forward for my next visit Dec. 17-18, and this time maybe try catch some of the.

Popular girls mentioned in here.

Thanks for reading maybe we will heads up in sauna some day LOL.

Aznnick.

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Hi all.

Has anyone seen iman in the last couple of weeks.

I will be visiting Artemis next month and I really hope to meet her again.

Thank you.

[QUOTE=MrHo;1793652]I wish Artemis will install some smoking room like Palace, so bar area won't be smoky;.[/QUOTE]On balance, I disagree. Whilst I don't smoke, and would rather the bar was smoke free, I don't like smoking rooms in clubs. I felt like I missed out on a large number of girls on visits to mainhattan and sakura as they were always relaxing in the smoking room. I suppose that I always have the option of going in the smoking room, but for some reason I can't do it. For me the club becomes segregated between smokers and non-smokers.

I always tell the girls that they can smoke during / after our sessions. It helps them relax, and weirdly I quite like the taste during DFK!

[QUOTE=NookyNinja;1793560]Sorry for you experience. But all subjective. And maybe because of you a little? Bad mood, or bad choices or both? Can be. Ninja know at least 10 girls there who are GFE, sweet, slow, soft, respectful, fun. And local mens return every week, and feel same.[/QUOTE]I'm going to give Artemis another chance, can you give me the names of those girls who are GFEs?

[QUOTE=Pilyo;1793609]She even introduced me to the owner and I told her about my experience and told her that the girls are more macho and bossy in attitude rather than being sexy alluring and seducing.

If they don't want to fuck and work here. , then they don't have business here. I pay good money to have good service. My 80 Euro is for me to enjoy the entire club's ambiance. The 60 E is for the fucking. So I should get my money's worth.[/QUOTE]As far as I know the owner is a Turkish man and not a woman. You probably spoke to a somewhat older woman whom I have seen managing the girls and she is herself employed by the club.

[QUOTE=Hermann666;1793877]As far as I know the owner is a Turkish man and not a woman. You probably spoke to a somewhat older woman whom I have seen managing the girls and she is herself employed by the club.[/QUOTE]Yes I dare any of you to go up to this old woman with 60 Euro on your hand LOL))) You will get security guys up ya ass)) Though security in Artemis are nice, one of them is former body building champion for Germany or something.

Generally speaking all Artemis staffs are nice. In bar they are not rude, it is just that main bar is hectic stressful place, so you get stressful response so do the sharky girls, we just learn how to handle these situations or go else where. This is how I take it.

[QUOTE=Frozty;1793853]On balance, I disagree. Whilst I don't smoke, and would rather the bar was smoke free, I don't like smoking rooms in clubs. I felt like I missed out on a large number of girls on visits to mainhattan and sakura as they were always relaxing in the smoking room. I suppose that I always have the option of going in the smoking room, but for some reason I can't do it. For me the club becomes segregated between smokers and non-smokers.

I always tell the girls that they can smoke during / after our sessions. It helps them relax, and weirdly I quite like the taste during DFK![/QUOTE]I agree with room smoking.

As for main bar, I like palace glass room smoking room set up in main bar.

I do not remember if girls can smoke in room at palace in room, but considering there are no window at palace rooms, you cannot, and there are no window in main bar in palace that is why maybe they made smoking room with ventilation.

In Artemis girls and clients can smoke in the room upstairs, but down stairs room by cinema I do not remember if we can smoke, can we smoke in room with curtains down stairs by cinema in Artemis?

[QUOTE=Pilyo;1793609]The reason why I wrote this is for many customers and readers of ISG to realise and know that this behaviour and attitude is not really the normal. This behaviour of the girls in Artemis probably evolved and happened because the customers have already accepted this as the standard and they could get away with it. But this is not the standard. I have been to Artemis before and this is not the ambiance and attitude of the girls 2 years ago. Seldom could you see girls walking back and forth in a very macho manner seemingly in a hurry without looking at anybody. Many would graciously talk to you and SEDUCE you. Now, it seldom happens so goodbye to the multiple 5 to 7 sessions. After one fuck, I hit the road.

Mr Ho, I don't think you should just accept and make do with this poor service and performance by fucking them hard. Customers should report and tell the owner and manager their observations and reviews so that the owners would know what needs to be changed. From food to the bartender to the girls attitude. This is what I did when asked by the receptionist about my experience. She even introduced me to the owner and I told her about my experience and told her that the girls are more macho and bossy in attitude rather than being sexy alluring and seducing.

If they don't want to fuck and work here. , then they don't have business here. I pay good money to have good service. My 80 Euro is for me to enjoy the entire club's ambiance. The 60 E is for the fucking. So I should get my money's worth.[/QUOTE]Yeah I agree that if we make prompt complaint, maybe they might bring it up in the meeting.

Also Artemis do charge higher price than other mega FKK in Germany, so it does make sense to see some difference in quality.

There are little box by reception at one point for complaint box.

Bottom line is how effective is complaint as mostly these girls who are like that just don't care and won't provide, so for me I seek for better service one with my taste for looks.

However, effectiveness of clients complain what did Turkish owner Mr K (privacy initial) responded to your complaint about this club? He is nice, smart but at the same time tough guy, so I wonder how he responded to your complaint.

[QUOTE=Craiova;1793758]It looks like we have a very different taste. Can't compare with Artemis bc was only once there some time ago. But I wasn't impressed at Artemis. But I know Oase (around 250 visits) and Palace (around 20 visits) quite good. Oase was for many years my number one club, lots of beauties. Unfortunately Oase made a lot of mistakes in the last three years. But still Oase is a top club with some young girls with beautiful bodys and faces at the moment like Beatrice, Surgenella, Isabella, Elisabeth, Roxanna, Laura and some more. I would be surprised if Oase LU couldn't compete with Artemis. Average service level went down at Oase like all other big5 Frankfurt clubs. But AFAIK always at least at Artemis level, due to lack of competition in Berlin.

In the other thing I have a firm opinion. Palace line up is the worst of all big5 Frankfurt clubs far behind Oase. I'm curious about the few really good looking girls at Palace, please name them.[/QUOTE]I wasn't a big fan of the Artemis LU last time I visited. It's more varied LU, but not like what it used to be.

[QUOTE=Guy93;1793660]I never had any problems with the staff.

I think they are friendly most of the times. I don't know about everyone but I'm from Scandinavian countries I guess and I usually thank them for my drink, because I think it's like behaving good in an unkown land and with foreign people.

But I haven't been in Artemis for over a year now so hard to tell.[/QUOTE]I can't say I notice rude behaviors with staff at any clubs. I either don't pay attention or care. When the bar is busy, it's going to take some time to get your drink. Also, when they are understaffed serving constantly, understandable not to be in the best mood. On a visit, the bartender downstairs was friendly as she was pretty relaxed with only a few around to service drinks.

I went there a couple of months ago. Was some busy week. Extremely very crowded. Very poor service and bad attitude. Nothing compared to some FKKs in Hessin area. Everything is extra. Don't touch here, don't do that. Had bad time. Unlikely ever.

[QUOTE=Pilyo;1793469]We have gone on an FKK tour beginning with FKK Oase, FKK World and then Artemis. Hence, I can honestly and personally compare the 3 FKKs. For me FKK Oase is now the best and the only one I would visit again. Two years ago during my FKK tour, my favourite was Artemis, but now. It has become different. Gone are the friendly sweet girls like Susie (de),nce Maya (Polish).

Carolina (Polish) and even Nikole (Czech) . Yes even Nikole was very sweet and kind then. Now, the air and aura in Artemis is different. It has been replaced with girls walking with a snobby or domineering attitude. They come on too strong like "Hi you want to go up" so I answer "can we talk first" She will then answer you with "No we talk upstairs" You don't like OK! Whats with this attitude. These girls should bear in mind that customers here want to fuck more than 1 girl a night. This means that customers just don't feel horny and ejaculate, they want to become horny lots of times and cum lots of times in one night so the girls should make the customers horny. So it will not help if they are rude, businesslike and unpleasant. Moreover, they project the aura that they are the Boss, the girls here must have forgotten that they are being paid for service. To make their customers happy. So the customer is king.

BELiNDA. Worst service.

There was this tall girl with black hair standing by the doorway who seemed friendly. However, it all turned downhill with her bossy attitude in the room. She got really mad when I touched my own dick with condom. She says I should not touch the condom. She also ordered me not to touch her pussy. What the fuck? For me, its ok not to touch as I'm very safe, I don't allow BBBJ on me. However, why can't these girls just say these things in a sweet, courteous and soft manner. Not the type where your dick will become really limp. Almost all the girls in artemis are like this now. They don't talk to you in a sweet, soft and friendly manner like in Oase World or in other FKKs, they talk to you in a way which will make you really turned off and feel disrespected. They usually order the customers instead of telling them nicely on what to do.

I talked to one of the girls about this attitude in Artemis and she agreed with me. She says that's why most customers don't get girls or if they do they just get one for the entire night. Luckily for her, her attitude is an exception. She is very friendly and sweet. I told her about Oase, where the girls will sit with you and touch you and to convince you further, will give you a BBBJ on the sofa. I did not find any of this is Artemis. I could not find a single graceful sweet girl here in Artemis. It has been replaced with MOSTLY Bossy, Snobby, Disrespectful and ugly tattooed women who look like veteran sluts.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SBTiger;1793960]I went there a couple of months ago. Was some busy week. Extremely very crowded. Very poor service and bad attitude. Nothing compared to some FKKs in Hessin area. Everything is extra. Don't touch here, don't do that. Had bad time. Unlikely ever.[/QUOTE]Sound like FKK Palace LOL.

[QUOTE=AznNick;1793822]Hey all, last month I was in Artemis for the first time, so I though its time to give something back eventho its not much.

Before I went, I've been reading like 100 pages in here. So I almost felt like an regular when I entered LOL. [/QUOTE]Good report. Nice to read something positive about the club given the recent negative views.

[QUOTE=Pilyo;1793609]The reason why I wrote this is for many customers and readers of ISG to realise and know that this behaviour and attitude is not really the normal. This behaviour of the girls in Artemis probably evolved and happened because the customers have already accepted this as the standard and they could get away with it. But this is not the standard. I have been to Artemis before and this is not the ambiance and attitude of the girls 2 years ago. Seldom could you see girls walking back and forth in a very macho manner seemingly in a hurry without looking at anybody. Many would graciously talk to you and SEDUCE you. Now, it seldom happens so goodbye to the multiple 5 to 7 sessions. After one fuck, I hit the road.

Mr Ho, I don't think you should just accept and make do with this poor service and performance by fucking them hard. Customers should report and tell the owner and manager their observations and reviews so that the owners would know what needs to be changed. From food to the bartender to the girls attitude. This is what I did when asked by the receptionist about my experience. She even introduced me to the owner and I told her about my experience and told her that the girls are more macho and bossy in attitude rather than being sexy alluring and seducing.

If they don't want to fuck and work here. , then they don't have business here. I pay good money to have good service. My 80 Euro is for me to enjoy the entire club's ambiance. The 60 E is for the fucking. So I should get my money's worth.[/QUOTE]I've read all of your reports and I think you have tried to be very balanced. You are quite right. The forum is for the sharing of views and information to assist others. It is a shame you had a tough time in Artemis. Without a doubt. As others have reported. It suffers from being the only FKK in Berlin which in itself if amazing / surprising. Why would there be so many NRW and Hessen clubs and only one in the capital city? Very odd.

Your criticisms can be summed up as bad attitude by the girls and staff. I think that is too much of a generalisation however it also is partially true. The reception staff have always been fine with me but occasionally they don't care if you are kept waiting for drink tokens. I find the staff in the main lounge bar area quite abrupt. I agree that customers are made to wait for drinks quite often and whilst I've always said please and thank you I have heard them demand it from others. Which is not right. Customers should be polite to them anyway, and being the customer does not give a guy licence to be rude. But language barriers can be the cause of some of this and there is no reason for them to barely ever smile (and they don't). As for the girls, the upselling, heavy approaches to go to the room, everything being extra (even occasionally DFK!) is all a product of supply and demand. Because you only have this club you have very little other choices in Berlin except brothels and massage parlours. Guys like the FKK experience of being surrounded by a lot of naked ladies. But there is no other choice in Berlin. So when Mr Ho says if you don't like it go elsewhere he is right. But that would mean travelling outside of Berlin and that shouldn't be necessary due to attitude. There are many really nice girls in Artemis in addition to those you have listed. Debby, Vegas, Laura, Celia, Ruby are all exceptional service girls and great fun. But only after you've got to know them a bit! Debby and Vegas are particularly nice women.

The club management would benefit from reading all of your comments and others here. But will they care at all whilst they have a complete monopoly in Berlin? I doubt it.

The club is mostly busy so the punters are not put off by any of this. I was due there next week for 2 days but have decided to try elsewhere and will head to Samya and Sharks. I don't agree with your comments on Oase. Service levels there in my experience (and I've been quite a few times now) are poor and actually often poorer than Artemis. The variety of girls at Artemis is good though there are better looking women in Sharks.

Here's hoping for a new FKK in Berlin sometime soon to give Artemis something to worry about. Until then. None of the complaints about it will attract much attention.

Hi fellows,

I'm planing my first visit to FKK in Berlin. But I'm not certain if Jan. 5-7 could be the right moment since it's soon after new year day. Please share your opinion. Another question is Berlin or Hamburg? Because there is low cost flight to there from where I'm.

P.S: you can PM me too if prefer so.

Thanks!

Even tho I only been to Artemis once, I have been following this threat vy much, so I had this in mind when I entered for the first time so thanks to all the regulars and other tourists reports. I kinda knew what to expect, cause this behavior is everywhere in the service business. As person I just try to give a good first impression by showing a lot of respect, and if the other person doesn't give back, so be it. Recently I had a vacation in Africa, there were some big Russian families living as they were kings at the hotel, not paying either service people or other tourist respect by cheating the line, not cleaning up their trash at the beach and so on. Again I'm no regular at Artemis, but after observing the different kinds of people we men are. I'm afraid there might be maybe 10% of the men thinking they own the place, live like kings, maybe treating the girls like trash. This can maybe have an impact on the girls and service the rest of us get. Of course its a shitty feeling if you start showing them respect, being polite and then they treat you as trash anyway, and that sucks.

But you can always increase you chances for a better service, by being the one that starts. I don't think it was that bad, yeah so at the below bar my UK friend had to like repeat asking for a drink 3 times before he got it, he took it with a smile and still thanked her, maybe this little respect will make her remember this next time. If he didn't say anything and seemed unsatisfied, maybe he will get same same service again.

[QUOTE=PayForIt;1794033]The club management would benefit from reading all of your comments and others here. But will they care at all whilst they have a complete monopoly in Berlin? I doubt it.

Here's hoping for a new FKK in Berlin sometime soon to give Artemis something to worry about. Until then. None of the complaints about it will attract much attention.[/QUOTE]Being only club in Berlin make management and girls not care could be true.

As for other Big FKK in Berlin area, there is or was one opening in Potsdam, they even had opening date, but it did not open and nothing happened ever since. I wonder what happened to that FKK?

[QUOTE=SexInCity;1794080]Hi fellows,

I'm planing my first visit to FKK in Berlin. But I'm not certain if Jan. 5-7 could be the right moment since it's soon after new year day. Please share your opinion. Another question is Berlin or Hamburg? Because there is low cost flight to there from where I'm.

P.S: you can PM me too if prefer so.

Thanks![/QUOTE]This year I visited Artemis a week later in January compared to what you are planning and I think most girls then were back from their vacation. 5-7 January may be a bit early.

Definitely Berlin over Hamburg for FKK. The only other alternative worth considering would be the Hessen or NRW clubs if you can get low cost flights to either Frankfurt or Dusseldorf.

[QUOTE=AznNick;1794098]Even tho I only been to Artemis once, I have been following this threat vy much, so I had this in mind when I entered for the first time so thanks to all the regulars and other tourists reports. I kinda knew what to expect, cause this behavior is everywhere in the service business. As person I just try to give a good first impression by showing a lot of respect, and if the other person doesn't give back, so be it. Recently I had a vacation in Africa, there were some big Russian families living as they were kings at the hotel, not paying either service people or other tourist respect by cheating the line, not cleaning up their trash at the beach and so on. Again I'm no regular at Artemis, but after observing the different kinds of people we men are. I'm afraid there might be maybe 10% of the men thinking they own the place, live like kings, maybe treating the girls like trash. This can maybe have an impact on the girls and service the rest of us get. Of course its a shitty feeling if you start showing them respect, being polite and then they treat you as trash anyway, and that sucks.

But you can always increase you chances for a better service, by being the one that starts. I don't think it was that bad, yeah so at the below bar my UK friend had to like repeat asking for a drink 3 times before he got it, he took it with a smile and still thanked her, maybe this little respect will make her remember this next time. If he didn't say anything and seemed unsatisfied, maybe he will get same same service again.[/QUOTE]Yes I agree, be polite to everyone, and don't act like you're a King, regarding the main bar, when it's busy the bar tenders are constantly working, I'm always polite and thanked them, but I noticed some other customers aren't when asking for a drink, like "get me a beer" maybe it's a cultural thing, the guys are ignorant, or just the language barrier. So if they're like that with barmaids they might be as rude with the girls, in my experience at Artemis there are some hard nosed bitches, the way they act in the bar, trying to be the boss, there is a way of hooking a guy, by being flirty and friendly, why would any guy take a rude stuck up ***** to the room, unless it's for angry sex. They're like that because most guys don't pull them up on it, I had a young Romanian who got rude to me after I politely declined, I raised my voice and confronted her, think she was surprised, maybe she'll think twice next time. Compared to other clubs maybe Artemis is more business like, but you can still find many friendly girls, the club management might listen to customers feedback, but call me a cynical barstard, as they are the only club in town, they can charge €80, and charge €10 for a poxy Heineken, I will still go back, as I like the type of girls there.

[QUOTE=Jerboa;1794179]but call me a cynical barstard, as they are the only club in town, they can charge 80, and charge 10 for a poxy Heineken, I will still go back, as I like the type of girls there.[/QUOTE]I've never been to Artemis or any FKK for that matter. The concept never appealed to me. Don't get me wrong, having naked women around me isn't the problem, it's just that I don't feel comfortable mixing with dozens and dozens of total male strangers or being bugged by ugly girls who can't wait to get ahold of my cash. After reading all the complaints in this thread my guess is I've done the right thing in avoiding the place. One of the reasons the atmosphere seems so tense, with rude women and arrogant guys, is probably because it doesn't matter. Neither the club nor the girls lose because the customers keep going back. Their behavior, both the girls' and the customers', doesn't affect the business. The money keeps pouring in and the owner/s is/are happy.

[QUOTE=BigAssEater;1794194]I've never been to Artemis or any FKK for that matter. The concept never appealed to me. Don't get me wrong, having naked women around me isn't the problem, it's just that I don't feel comfortable mixing with dozens and dozens of total male strangers or being bugged by ugly girls who can't wait to get ahold of my cash. After reading all the complaints in this thread my guess is I've done the right thing in avoiding the place. One of the reasons the atmosphere seems so tense, with rude women and arrogant guys, is probably because it doesn't matter. Neither the club nor the girls lose because the customers keep going back. Their behavior, both the girls' and the customers', doesn't affect the business. The money keeps pouring in and the owner/s is/are happy.[/QUOTE]Artemis just have to improve the line up of girls to how it used to be.

Now it is full of older tattooed up girls who provide limited session. Some with attitude, some mechanical. It is depend.

I hope more girls will come and work in Artemis.

I see some old girls with plastic surgery who has been at Artemis since around year 2010. These girls are way too old and too plastic surgery failures.

FKK owner should know when to get rid of old working girls because they no longer suit the club and their presence destroy the clubs.

Only guys with fetish go for fat old women or plastic surgery old women at FKK.

Let them move on from Artemis to more lower level club or brothel.

Maybe that's due to the large conservative element as voted for in Berlin local elections blocking any planning permissions for more FKK heavens.

[QUOTE=BigAssEater;1794194]I've never been to Artemis or any FKK for that matter. The concept never appealed to me. Don't get me wrong, having naked women around me isn't the problem, it's just that I don't feel comfortable mixing with dozens and dozens of total male strangers or being bugged by ugly girls who can't wait to get ahold of my cash.[/QUOTE]Try a FKK during the day. In NRW some clubs can have 20:1 girl to guy ratio during the day. Better yet, clubs like ACA and Samya have a no approach policy and they are far from being ugly.

Really sucks that Berlin only has 1 major FKK. Even with the tatted Germans who I prefer, can't motivate myself to go so far for 1 decent FKK. I guess Kamilla Dee is an option.

A clue on the bad preformers is to check how long they stay in the rooms with their customers. A few Artemis girls seems to allways be back after 15 minutes. I spotted one girl at artemis who was in the room 6 times while I followed her from the stairways. She returned like a clockwork after 16 minutes every single time.

I basically moved her off my 'to do' list, and onto my blacklist.

An issue with Artemis these days that alot of the girls both at Artemis as well as at some of the Hessen clubs have told me about Artemis is that the romanian gang of girls at Artemis is setting the rules for the girls. So most girls are afraid of doing more than the norm at Artemis. If they do too much to a guy, then the gang will freeze them out. A few gurls I met at Oase said they had quit Artemis because of this very reason. So I am afraid that untill he romanian gang currently at Artemis is partly broken up, this will just continue.

It is hard to say which ones of the romanian girls that are pulling the strings though, and for some it might just be a matter of gaining reputation among the girls to give bad service. So something has to be done by the management...

[QUOTE=Pistons;1794245]An issue with Artemis these days that alot of the girls both at Artemis as well as at some of the Hessen clubs have told me about Artemis is that the romanian gang of girls at Artemis is setting the rules for the girls. So most girls are afraid of doing more than the norm at Artemis. If they do too much to a guy, then the gang will freeze them out. A few gurls I met at Oase said they had quit Artemis because of this very reason. So I am afraid that untill he romanian gang currently at Artemis is partly broken up, this will just continue.

It is hard to say which ones of the romanian girls that are pulling the strings though, and for some it might just be a matter of gaining reputation among the girls to give bad service. So something has to be done by the management...[/QUOTE]Let us boycott Romanian girls, they were never good provider. I do not really go with them for this reason anyways.

[QUOTE=Pistons;1794245]An issue with Artemis these days that alot of the girls both at Artemis as well as at some of the Hessen clubs have told me about Artemis is that the romanian gang of girls at Artemis is setting the rules for the girls. So most girls are afraid of doing more than the norm at Artemis. If they do too much to a guy, then the gang will freeze them out. A few gurls I met at Oase said they had quit Artemis because of this very reason. So I am afraid that untill he romanian gang currently at Artemis is partly broken up, this will just continue.

It is hard to say which ones of the romanian girls that are pulling the strings though, and for some it might just be a matter of gaining reputation among the girls to give bad service. So something has to be done by the management...[/QUOTE]It's not only the Romanians,. Cheyenne, German / Belarus, that has now left the club, told me that she would not do threesomes with other German girls as they thought she did to much in the room with the customer. Especially extended anal where she meant that other girls would only agree to so much of that and not agree to the long extended and wild anal inter courses that Cheyenne would deliver. She told me she had been reprimanded by other German girls after threesomes, that she did too much in the room.

[QUOTE=Pistons;1794245]An issue with Artemis these days that alot of the girls both at Artemis as well as at some of the Hessen clubs have told me about Artemis is that the romanian gang of girls at Artemis is setting the rules for the girls. So most girls are afraid of doing more than the norm at Artemis. If they do too much to a guy, then the gang will freeze them out. A few gurls I met at Oase said they had quit Artemis because of this very reason. So I am afraid that untill he romanian gang currently at Artemis is partly broken up, this will just continue.

It is hard to say which ones of the romanian girls that are pulling the strings though, and for some it might just be a matter of gaining reputation among the girls to give bad service. So something has to be done by the management...[/QUOTE]I think you got a point there, big club, girls locked up with same girls All Day, New Day and meet same girls again and Then us in the middle. But I think the management Are aware of This possibility so they do what they can, with general meetings with the girls and so on, but for sure There must be somekind of unwritten rules by the strong Girls. Funny tho watching the tv show orange the New Black, I've ben fantacysing being in a girls prison, damn All that fight for My little junior dick LOL.

It could be Nice if we were able to put a sign on our bathrobe "please do not disturb" while enjoying the upper bar. Yeah you can move down to the peaceful wellness downstairs but No girls damn what dilemma LOL.

[QUOTE=BigAssEater;1794194]I've never been to Artemis or any FKK for that matter. The concept never appealed to me. Don't get me wrong, having naked women around me isn't the problem, it's just that I don't feel comfortable mixing with dozens and dozens of total male strangers or being bugged by ugly girls who can't wait to get ahold of my cash. After reading all the complaints in this thread my guess is I've done the right thing in avoiding the place. One of the reasons the atmosphere seems so tense, with rude women and arrogant guys, is probably because it doesn't matter. Neither the club nor the girls lose because the customers keep going back. Their behavior, both the girls' and the customers', doesn't affect the business. The money keeps pouring in and the owner/s is/are happy.[/QUOTE]I've had a lot of fun at FKK, including Artemis. I have probably visited Artemis more than any other FKK, but it is not my favourite right now. I prefer sharks and paradise stuttgart. But I love the formula.

You know what you like, but what have you got to lose by trying FKK at least once?

[QUOTE=BigAssEater;1794194]After reading all the complaints in this thread my guess is I've done the right thing in avoiding the place. One of the reasons the atmosphere seems so tense, with rude women and arrogant guys, is probably because it doesn't matter. Neither the club nor the girls lose because the customers keep going back. Their behavior, both the girls' and the customers', doesn't affect the business.[/QUOTE]Ok, no place perfect. Some people don't like particular product or service. FIne. People can have their opinions. But all this complaining opinions recently needs to be balanced by facts (especially if you have never been-to say Artemis "so tense" etc silly). If place so horrible, why so popular? Why we have this thread with 90% good reviews over 10 years. Why people keep going back, including many locals? Why some girls work there so long?

Because obviously it is fine and fun for many.

Berlin is sophisticated city, people not stupid. Maybe more clubs and competition would be good (A owners also own 2 other properties even they hope to develop). Or maybe it make little difference. Ninja know FRA scene well and not see great difference with more clubs. Performance or value go up and down over time. In theory new club less smoke, little more exclusive, better music, would be good in Berlin. But not deal breaker.

But if you have good spirit yourself (maybe most important), if you choose carefully and well, come before peak crowd times starting at 2300, Artemis is great fun. Made many new monger friends there, place very friendly we see socially outside A. Artemis better girls are as good as any in world. Names discussed in forum many times. If people have bad experience, they mostly choose bad-no chemistry.

Price including food and wellness reasonable (everything could always be cheaper). Many people have same experience.

So Ninja say enough complaints now, everyone understand arguments on both sides, and we move on?

[QUOTE=BigAssEater;1794346]Did I say I'm speaking from experience? I'm simply referring to previous posts / complaints. It doesn't take a genius to understand this[/QUOTE]Correct. So even non-genius look at full reports over 10 years vs a few recent reports by only several people. This we call science vs. Truthiness.

You try-maybe you enjoy. E. g. Sunday at Artemis very chill out-go mid afternoon til 8 pm. Make own report.

[QUOTE=Craiova;1793758]
In the other thing I have a firm opinion. Palace line up is the worst of all big5 Frankfurt clubs far behind Oase. I'm curious about the few really good looking girls at Palace, please name them.[/QUOTE]Hello Craiova, I had to look back at my report from Palace last year unfortunately I only made one report from my three visits at Palace so I simply don't remember all the names. The girls that I liked at Palace last year was Gina and particularly Jenny that I thought was stunning, but I remember that I thought there were 10-15 girls that I thought was quite beautiful but don't remember their names. (I prefer girls with enhanced tits and slim bodies and in Palace and Artemis I can find these women, Oase had none) I visited Palace and Oase in October last year so things might have changed?! I have only visited Palace three times and Oase once so I am no expert in these clubs, but Artemis I know I must have visited 100-150 times and I'm from Sweden.

Of course Artemis could do better! Small things like putting water and soda machine in the dining area and better food, make smokers to leave the main area because the air is not good there. But in my opinion the attitude of the women there is not worse then Oase and Palace of course they have sharks just like the other clubs have sharks but as an experienced guest at these places both you and I know how to avoid them.

[QUOTE=Pilyo;1793821]I beg to disagree. In Oase, when you turn them down, they will approach you again and again smiling. They will be sweet and try to be funny and try other SWEET or SEXY methods of persuading you to change you mind. Yes, its true some are a bit rude but never to a degree as that in Artemis.

In Artemis, I had this experience with 3 girls when I turned down them down, one girl hit my head! (quite impolitely), 2nd girl shouted curses at me and the 3rd girl stared at me angrily and said You don't want, its up to you. Its true they were only 3 girls out of the more than 20 I turned down but hey, this did not happen to me in other FKK clubs. I was never hit in the head! Girls here in Artemis are starting to get quite arrogant to the point that they don't respect their customers anymore. I am very respectful to these women, I always answer "you are very beautiful but I have to rest a while" and those are the responses I get from these 3 girls. These should be addressed immediately by the management.[/QUOTE]Hahaha sorry for laughing! Hit in the head yes that is a bit over the top I guess! I'm sorry but I have never been treated the way you have at Artemis. We all want the best service from both girls and staff so of course it's a good thing to talk / write about bad experiences as well as the good ones. As stated in previous report I would like the management to install soda-machine and water in the dining area and the smoking situation should be adressed since many have a problem with the bad air at Artemis in the main area.

But in my experience they never stop approach you in Palace / Oase maybe because I am not a regular at these places?! But smiling or not it gets annoying when you have told them no five times before! Even when I was a newbie at Artemis six years ago the girls only asked twice then they got the message to their brain.

[QUOTE=NookyNinja;1794324] Ninja know FRA scene well and not see great difference with more clubs. Performance or value go up and down over time. In theory new club less smoke, little more exclusive, better music, would be good in Berlin. But not deal breaker.
[/QUOTE]Ninja needs to do more homework? There is a significant difference between FRA clubs and Artemis, except Palace which is similar for many aspects (upsell, rudeness of girls, silicon, higher % of non romanian girls). Artemis is a fine big FKK and I always have fun there, but it's definitely more of a struggle to find the right playmates if you have higher service requirements and respect for your money, and in the last 3-5 years the trend has been going downhill, most experienced mongers (forum members or not) who do both FRA and Artemis will agree on this. This without mentioning Artemis is more expensive with entrance 10-20% more and basic girl rates 20% higher.

Berlin badly needs FKK competition.

[QUOTE=Toxteth;1794369]The girls that I liked at Palace last year was Gina and particularly Jenny that I thought was stunning, but I remember that I thought there were 10-15 girls that I thought was quite beautiful but don't remember their names. ([b]I prefer girls with enhanced tits [/b]

[/QUOTE]If you like plastic and older girls, Palace is your choice.

HB.

[QUOTE=Dutedrac;1794382]Ninja needs to do more homework? [/QUOTE]Ninja done lots of homework. All subjective, and taste thing. All places have plus and minus. All change over time up and down and sideways. So now please we all move on.

Yes service does go up and down from time to time at the different clubs. But that is not to say that we should be fine with it. Reporting on bad service on this forum can help us affect the whole thing by boycotting the bad performers. Oase for one is a club that was shit last year, but now is much better this year (in my opinnion). So nothing is set in stone even when a club gets worse, there is a way back.

But ofcourse you can allways find good girls at all the clubs. Also at Palace and Artemis there are quite a few nice girls.

Well, could be that the mixed nationalities would be more ideally suited to prevent a majority to bring down the service level. The issue with the majority is that it makes up the high percentage of the LU so increases your odds. I personally think that Artemis has more veteran girls that have the experience when to pull their game. Clubs actually vary even with high percentage of Romanians. There are clubs with much higher percentage of Romanians without any sort of gang affect. I wold think it depends on how big the group is, and etc. A club can have high percentage of same nationalities, but small groups to most girls independent. Also, the clientel reflects the service level. If I go to a club that most Germans attend in the middle of nowhere with mostly locals attending, I know my odds are higher of better service level.

So, I think it depends on how veteran girls are, how long they've been working at the same club. A club with higher turn-over with the high percentage of Romanians would likely not be affected with the same issue. Also, the type of clients. Full of tourists and newbies would have an affect.

Yes, the quick rooms is an indicator of worse service. If the service is good, guys will likely extend. You see some guys standing around the stairs probably for that reason. Also, a good spot to see the girls under light compared to the lounge where is dim.

[QUOTE=BigAssEater;1794563]In some posts the phenomenon of gangs of Romanian girls setting the rules and putting pressure on other working girls has been mentioned. Surely this is a problem. In my opinion any establishment shouldn't allow too many girls of one nationality. Allowing many girls from one country give them an advantage over other girls. In such environment girls from Latin America or Asia can't compete with eastern European girls, in most cases Romanian. A few years ago I was a regular at a brothel in Madrid and the place had basically only Romanians. They all sat together speaking their Romanian language and couldn't care less about the rest of the world. Any owner of an establishment should limit the number of one nationality, say maximum 10% of the working girls from one and the same country. Unfortunately too many in this business don't care about quality but only care about how much cash they can make ASAP.[/QUOTE]I agree with limiting Romanians in Artemis or other FKK, domination is too much.

Even though Romanians are mostly bad service provider, I did meet few that gives good service, but rare.

In the end it is all depend and not depend on nationality.

But too much Romanians in FKK.

[QUOTE=PussyLiccker;1794565]
Yes, the quick rooms is an indicator of worse service. If the service is good, guys will likely extend. You see some guys standing around the stairs probably for that reason. Also, a good spot to see the girls under light compared to the lounge where is dim.[/QUOTE]Yes, the stairs is a good place for spotting. You also see the new girls starting their shift coming out from the women's dressing room. I like to spend some time standing by the safety boxes next to the reception. In the late afternoon you can see quite a few girls arriving for work in there civilian clothes. It's interesting to see the change when they have put on their make up and done their hair a few minutes later. It's also a good spot for spotting girls that are reading on their cell phones by the lockers. Sometimes eyes meet and you start to speak to the girl already out there and not in the smokey lounge.

[QUOTE=BigAssEater;1794563]In some posts the phenomenon of gangs of Romanian girls setting the rules and putting pressure on other working girls has been mentioned. Surely this is a problem. In my opinion any establishment shouldn't allow too many girls of one nationality. Allowing many girls from one country give them an advantage over other girls. In such environment girls from Latin America or Asia can't compete with eastern European girls, in most cases Romanian. A few years ago I was a regular at a brothel in Madrid and the place had basically only Romanians. They all sat together speaking their Romanian language and couldn't care less about the rest of the world. Any owner of an establishment should limit the number of one nationality, say maximum 10% of the working girls from one and the same country. Unfortunately too many in this business don't care about quality but only care about how much cash they can make ASAP.[/QUOTE]I disagree with that proposal. It is trying to fix a perceived problem in an indirect way. A better solution is either for management to manage the girls, or punters to be more selective. It is rare for a session to be a complete waste of €50 / €60. I still get to fuck a hot girl.

If you limit the proportion of Romanians, there will be many fewer girls. Maybe others would make up the numbers, but the quality would likely decline. Artemis has more diversity than many of the bigger clubs; Sharks is dominated by Romanians but service levels are generally good.

Part of my solution at Artemis is not to select any of the girls who hang out in the large groups / labour unions. I probably miss some good girls. Also, asking a girl before the session if she likes to kiss will also weed out some more. Of course, she might lie, but it is possible to read most replies.

[QUOTE] Any owner of an establishment should limit the number of one nationality, say maximum 10% of the working girls from one and the same country. [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE]In the end it is all depend and not depend on nationality. [/QUOTE]So, Donald Trump and well I dunno, Soren Kierkegaard have finally made it to the Artemis thread.

Let's get serious about this. Even better, let's also limit nationalities of mongers. Or assign ethnic groups to different days eg, Moldavian Mondays, Teutonic Tuesdays. Etc. Or make passport control at reception, so every girl and every monger can find ethnic balance.

These are classic solutions in search of a problem. Of course as ethnic mixes change all the time, even forgetting about moral issues, all completely unworkable or requiring the Sex Stasi. But more to the point the quality of girls nothing to do with ethnic background-great girls and bad ones come in all shapes sizes and national origins. Most problems come from bad monger choices. And who cares about whatever little cat games go on amongst themselves. All the matters is the chemistry in the room. I recall some good times even with Team Abdul members who were among the weirdest cliques going.

Meanwhile no one has reported on biggest new development: new carpeting with LED border lights, etc. Now much easier to see Romanians.

There was time once when Artemis thread was about Artemis and what is going on, new girls, etc. Now just too many wacko complaints and theories. All better in Lounge, if the Bornhoffer Nerven Klinik is closed.

But this once interesting thread has become frightfully boring. I think apart from the occasional new girl, just about everything that could ever be usefully said has been said. A lot of the old timers have said the same and left. Now, it is RB's turn. It has been a good run, but you got to know when to fold 'em and an even 1K seems time. Good luck to you all, and try to keep it real.

[QUOTE=Rocketboy0;1794963]

Meanwhile no one has reported on biggest new development: new carpeting with LED border lights, etc. Now much easier to see Romanians.[/QUOTE]Oh, that's what it is!

I thought somebody had just put liquid tutti frutties is their drinks.

[QUOTE=Rocketboy0;1794963]
There was time once when Artemis thread was about Artemis and what is going on, new girls, etc. Now just too many wacko complaints and theories. All better in Lounge, if the Bornhoffer Nerven Klinik is closed.

But this once interesting thread has become frightfully boring. I think apart from the occasional new girl, just about everything that could ever be usefully said has been said. A lot of the old timers have said the same and left. Now, it is RB's turn. It has been a good run, but you got to know when to fold 'em and an even 1K seems time. Good luck to you all, and try to keep it real.[/QUOTE]Sad to see a good poster leave the forum, we need more of his calibre. Always respectful to the girls and keeping it real as he says. Also quite funny at times!

[QUOTE=Rocketboy0;1794963]

There was time once when Artemis thread was about Artemis and what is going on, new girls, etc. Now just too many wacko complaints and theories. All better in Lounge, if the Bornhoffer Nerven Klinik is closed.

But this once interesting thread has become frightfully boring. I think apart from the occasional new girl, just about everything that could ever be usefully said has been said. A lot of the old timers have said the same and left. Now, it is RB's turn. It has been a good run, but you got to know when to fold 'em and an even 1K seems time. Good luck to you all, and try to keep it real.[/QUOTE]Sorry to see you go. I actually read your posts (and from other old timers) that helped me a lot back when I was new to FKK scene. Sorry to see you go.

[QUOTE=Rocketboy0;1794963]Meanwhile no one has reported on biggest new development: new carpeting with LED border lights, etc. Now much easier to see Romanians.[/QUOTE]Actually the Artemis has indeed got new carpeting (without LED border delimiters LOL) - it is bit on the boring side though.

[QUOTE=BigAssEater;1794563]Any owner of an establishment should limit the number of one nationality, say maximum 10% of the working girls from one and the same country. Unfortunately too many in this business don't care about quality but only care about how much cash they can make ASAP.[/QUOTE]Well, whether you like it or not, most European Union countries have very strict laws in respect of discrimination on basis of nationality or ethnicity. If any club-owner would follow your advice, he'd find himself quickly on the very wrong side of the law. Especially in Germany this is a very "touchy" point given what happened in their past history.

[QUOTE=Big Ass Eater;1795254]Some people get mad for nothing. I can't see what has been discussed and said in the thread can be so provocative to cause such displeasure[/QUOTE]
It is most provocative. If you don't understand that, I suggest you read up on Germany's history in the 1930s and 1940s.

[QUOTE=Big Ass Eater;1795254]My suggestion of limiting the number of a nationality was simply due to the domination certain groups get over others.
[/QUOTE] There can never ever be a good reason to even suggest discrimination. The solution is simply always worse than the problem.

[QUOTE=BigAssEater;1795261]Seriuosly, your comparison isn't even relevant. I'm talking about establishments in general not only German ones. In my first post I mentioned about a brothel in Madrid that was equally dominated by Romanians. Additionally, what I'm suggesting is not discrimination but rather keeping business harmonious both on the demand and supply side. An establishment with an ethnically mixed line-up is the opposite of having 50% or more Romanian girls. Bringing up Nazi Germany in this discussion is really out of place.[/QUOTE]This is the Artemis - Berlin thread. Last time I checked, Berlin was still in Germany and Madrid was the capital of Spain, an EU member country. So I think my comments were totally relevant.

You don't seem to get that excluding people from work based upon their nationality is simply against the law in the EU.

[QUOTE=BigAssEater;1795285] Be realistic for a minute, please. Prostitution is a world apart and EU law is as irrelevant to it as your previous replies to my posts.[/QUOTE]Please everyone -all this belong in Lounge where you can all go crazy. Or make PMs. But not in main Artemis thread. Ninja say enough. Too much anger, too much pissing contest for public forum.

Please continue disagree argue fight stomp growl etc. Just not here. Let us move on and make this fun again.

Good luck RB. Maybe you right.

Hey,

First time poster here.

I am planning to visit the artemis on Thursday. Last time I was there was like 2 years ago.

I always read about grils kissing. Last time I was there I tried to find a girls that did kissing. Searched for miss perfect all night long. Ended up with one that did at least a bit kissing.

All the german girls told me, noone would kiss there.

Befor that I was there like 4 years ago and I had some of my best nights ever there.

So lets see how it goes this time around.

I will report after I am back from my Berlin tour.

See you guys.

[QUOTE=BigDaddyStr;1795296]Hey,

First time poster here.

I am planning to visit the artemis on Thursday. Last time I was there was like 2 years ago.

I always read about grils kissing. Last time I was there I tried to find a girls that did kissing. Searched for miss perfect all night long. Ended up with one that did at least a bit kissing.

All the german girls told me, noone would kiss there.

Befor that I was there like 4 years ago and I had some of my best nights ever there.

So lets see how it goes this time around.

I will report after I am back from my Berlin tour.

See you guys.[/QUOTE]Amina, Brianna and Viola all kissed me like a girlfriend. Didn't see Viola the last time I was there though. I am not sure I remember correctly but I think Ella also kissed.

[QUOTE=Hermann666;1794278]Cheyenne, German / Belarus, that has now left the club...[/QUOTE]Cheyenne really gone from Artemis? Not first time I'd say, let's hope she'll make another return.

[QUOTE=Hermann666;1795314]Amina, Brianna and Viola all kissed me like a girlfriend. Didn't see Viola the last time I was there though. I am not sure I remember correctly but I think Ella also kissed.[/QUOTE]I am familiar with Amina. Can you give me a brief description of viola and brianna?

So after careful analysis concerning the establishment of a new Berlin wall inside Artemis I really only have one question to ask; does anyone know what the colour of the new led lights are? LOL, bye and thanks for all your wit MR. RB.

Fuck the politics and lets talk about the pussy! (who cares where the girls are from? Seriously, some people. And Romanians are great. 90% of all girls I've gone with in FKKs have been from there and some of the best experiences and nicest girls ever! And because they are EU members they can work and come and go as they please --that's the whole point of the EU. It applies to all legalized professions and prostitution is 100% legal in Germany. If someone doesn't like Romanians, don't go simple as that! There are a lot of countries in the world.

Sorry to see you go, Rocketboy. I enjoyed reading your posts.).

I just read a girl called Amina is a good kisser? Where's she from and what does she look like as I'll be in Artemis tomorrow.

Any other recommended girls? Does Nele still work at Artemis? Any Turkish girls?

[QUOTE=Frozty;1795414]I am familiar with Amina. Can you give me a brief description of viola and brianna?[/QUOTE]Brianna is short and very petite with long dark hair. Sometimes uses glitter on her eyes. Claims she's Spanish but I think she is Romanian. Very high energy level.

Viola is a Russian brunette with a very classic look. Usually wears black stockings and sometimes something over her shoulders. She is around 30. She is truly GFE and gave me the best BBBJ I have ever experienced. Her English isn't very good so I communicated with her in German.

[QUOTE=Hermann666;1795538]Brianna is short and very petite with long dark hair. Sometimes uses glitter on her eyes. Claims she's Spanish but I think she is Romanian. Very high energy level.

Viola is a Russian brunette with a very classic look. Usually wears black stockings and sometimes something over her shoulders. She is around 30. She is truly GFE and gave me the best BBBJ I have ever experienced. Her English isn't very good so I communicated with her in German.[/QUOTE]Thanks. M.

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Many girls here. I found a purty one. We went to the room. She touched me in my naughty places. Then I paid her. Then I found another purty girl. We went to another room. We did naughty things in the room. Afterwards, I paid her too. Good visit. The end.

He's talking about a majority group fucking with the minority. Forget the Romanian part is what he's telling you!

He's talking about group bullying. Larger groups pick on the isolated workers. Is what he's saying!

Repeat til Christmas brother big ass.

PussyLicker: It has nothing to do with nationality. Nobody has stated that here. It has to do with girls being girls. .

[QUOTE=NinBoy;1796002]He's talking about a majority group fucking with the minority. Forget the Romanian part is what he's telling you!

He's talking about group bullying. Larger groups pick on the isolated workers. Is what he's saying!

Repeat til Christmas brother big ass.[/QUOTE]But majority are the Romanians in FKK LOL.

Got myself a free ride to Berlin and decided to take the chance to visit the old hunting grounds. Being welcomed back by some of the girls was bit of surprise to me. I mean. I remember a girl but I am number 8 or 12 for her that day. I am pretty impressed with memory some of them girls have. And I haven't visited Artemis THAT often.

Status report:

Lorena from Columbia was spotted yesterday. Which means she is back to Artemis. She gives decent massage if that's your thing. She calls it erotic massage but in fact it is just ordinary massage. Still may be OK for some to set the mood. And she is ready for everything. I am not prude but certaintly she has pushed some borders with me during previous sessions. 40+ years of age but can compete with girls ten years younger.

Sessioned with Birgitte (HUN) - she changed hair hairstyle which I don't think suits her but I decided that I did not hump girls in artemis because of their hair so I decided to take her to zimmer. She is truly YMMW type of girl. Cannot complain though but nothing out of ordinary with her. Decent experiance if your regular is not available.

Again I sessioned with 21-22 year old Romanian which has natural big breasts and again I forgot her name (so basically whatever I write about her has no value to you guys). Decent cowgirl ride and OK BJ skills. Two sessions, both decent experiances. Will repeat (and ask for name).

Jenna (GER) was also present. I did not session with her due to lack of time but she was uncharacteristically not busy. The girls told me she had done some plastic surgery on her ass. I would not know because there is no scarring I can see and I have no referrance. It looked great before and it looks great now.

The girls are complaining of drop in the business. Although the veterans among the girls said this was business as usual for this time of year. I saw some new romanian girls (new to me) but was not in the mood to try out new experiances this time around and stuck to girls I know.

As to romanian vs other nationalities debate: without romanians (mostly GER girls working in FKKs) we would be paying 120 per session and girl saying "Hi" to you would be extra (because "Hi" = GFE = +100 extra). Like them or hate them but they are good for your pocket because they put down preassure on prices. Most FKK have had 50 EURO per session for ages.

I just got back from Artemis. I went in the evening but the place was so busy there were waits for rooms. It was also dessous day. My biggest disappointment of the evening was that I didn't meet a single girl who was willing to kiss. Offers of extending the time did not work either. It just seems 99% of the girls won't kiss. One girl who I met at the very end said she would kiss for regular clients but she was already booked for the rest of the night. Very pretty faced Hungarian girl with bee stung lips called Geraldine. Said she used to work in Babylon in Klagenfurt. Very friendly girl and I was a bit disappointed she was booked. This lack of kissing and 60 gets you suck and fuck is really crap. Also although there were a lot of girls most seemed worn out and pros. ID say the median age here is closer to 30 than 20. Sure I spotted a few beautiful girls and spoke to many but almost all of them gave me the we don't kiss mantra so I moved on. Eventually got tired of the same answer and realized here I couldn't expect GFE so decided to go with a pretty faced Russian called Tanya. Blonde curvy large ass and tits. Curvaceous. Spent 30 min. BBBJ and sex. Mechanical. During 69 was using hand too much so I said to use no hands! Her pussy was very tight and plump and she quivered a bit as I DATY. She was quite a funny girl and she did natural sekt. I came as she squatted over me. Tanya Russian 8/7/5. Wouldn't repeat. 160 eurpa.

My last report was sent before I had finished it (on my handy). Anyway, I did see a few hot girls as the night went on --especially one very tall blonde called Finya (but she was booked!) and a very pretty girl called Amira who was half Moroccan. She said she wold wait for me but ma but baby I spend too long in the Jacuzzi outside? When I came back inside I tried to find her but she was nowhere to be seen. Perhaps she was with another client? After another couple of rounds looking for her I decided to call it quits fo. Although I did see a few very good looking girls the overall standard of girls, of the young model like bodies I like, was much lower then any of the other clubs I have been to. Also, the average age of the girls seem much higher. Also almost all girls did not kiss.

Having said that as the night went on Artemis had very good atmosphere and was fun. If the girls have been fully naked then it would have been even better. By the end, despite my misgivings, I was having fun although I decided soon after when I could not find Amira to shower and go home. The best thing about Artemis was the outdoor area with the heated Jacuzzi and swimming pool. That is a really nice Touch of luxury. Also the wellness area on the floor beneath is excellent. I had a wonderful 30 minute massage. I am sure that more hot girls must exist (definitely I remember from previous experiences) but it seems they are always in demand from their regulars. The food was average at best although filling. It was far inferior to the food at other clubs s such as palace or Paradise or even Dolce Vita. The changing rooms and shower Area also needs renewing although the showers themselves are good. For me the biggest problem with this club seems to be the attitude of the girls and the new policy of not kissing. Because it is the only club in Berlin of this type the girls have no incentive to change. Thankfully there are enough girls just! To keep the club interesting Plus it is a tourist magnet. Myself I would visit it when I am in Berlin but would no longer make a trip to Berlin just to visit the club. There are many better options in the rest of Germany especially around Dusseldorf, cologne and Frankfurt and also Stuttgart and Bavaria.

Entrance 80 Plus Tanya 160 Plus 30 for massage.

Tanya: Russian, face / body / performance equals 7.5/ seven / five.

Can anybody recommend the best time and day to go so that a person may have a decent chance of going with a top girl?

[QUOTE=Sybarite2006;1796427] The best thing about Artemis was the outdoor area with the heated Jacuzzi and swimming pool. That is a really nice Touch of luxury. [/QUOTE]Damn I was in Artemis in October and forgot to try out the outdoor area, guess I thought it was closed, do you know if it still will be open in December and at night? The day you visited must have been some special day since waiting on a wedness night, the post below you from VaeVictis stated that the girls complaining in hard time business just recently. But anyway, thanks for the reports both of you, very much appreciated as I will be visiting again next month as a Christmas present for myself LOL was wondering if any girls in Artemis would do a real body to body oily massage mmmhh!

[QUOTE=Sybarite2006;1796427]My last report was sent before I had finished it (on my handy). Anyway, I did see a few hot girls as the night went on --especially one very tall blonde called Finya (but she was booked!) and a very pretty girl called Amira who was half Moroccan. She said she wold wait for me but ma but baby I spend too long in the Jacuzzi outside? When I came back inside I tried to find her but she was nowhere to be seen. Perhaps she was with another client? After another couple of rounds looking for her I decided to call it quits fo. Although I did see a few very good looking girls the overall standard of girls, of the young model like bodies I like, was much lower then any of the other clubs I have been to. Also, the average age of the girls seem much higher. Also almost all girls did not kiss.

Having said that as the night went on Artemis had very good atmosphere and was fun. If the girls have been fully naked then it would have been even better. By the end, despite my misgivings, I was having fun although I decided soon after when I could not find Amira to shower and go home. The best thing about Artemis was the outdoor area with the heated Jacuzzi and swimming pool. That is a really nice Touch of luxury. Also the wellness area on the floor beneath is excellent. I had a wonderful 30 minute massage. I am sure that more hot girls must exist (definitely I remember from previous experiences) but it seems they are always in demand from their regulars. The food was average at best although filling. It was far inferior to the food at other clubs s such as palace or Paradise or even Dolce Vita. The changing rooms and shower Area also needs renewing although the showers themselves are good. For me the biggest problem with this club seems to be the attitude of the girls and the new policy of not kissing. Because it is the only club in Berlin of this type the girls have no incentive to change. Thankfully there are enough girls just! To keep the club interesting Plus it is a tourist magnet. Myself I would visit it when I am in Berlin but would no longer make a trip to Berlin just to visit the club. There are many better options in the rest of Germany especially around Dusseldorf, cologne and Frankfurt and also Stuttgart and Bavaria.

Entrance 80 Plus Tanya 160 Plus 30 for massage.

Tanya: Russian, face / body / performance equals 7.5/ seven / five.

Can anybody recommend the best time and day to go so that a person may have a decent chance of going with a top girl?[/QUOTE]I prefer going in the early afternoon and early evening. Much more relaxed and girls used to go with regulars are there. Some may provide GFE. By 10-11 pm I usually leave to avoid the crowd and waiting for rooms.

[QUOTE=Hermann666;1796731]I prefer going in the early afternoon and early evening. Much more relaxed and girls used to go with regulars are there. Some may provide GFE. By 10-11 pm I usually leave to avoid the crowd and waiting for rooms.[/QUOTE]I agree. I get my rooms done by 9 pm and then just enjoy the atmosphere for a while in the evening. The crush in the bar is a sight worth seeing. Nothing else like it in my FKK experience.

Is it possible to go to Artemis then leave and reenter later on the same day without paying twice? I might do that for the first time tomorrow as I have a dinner date in the evening but want to try artemis before and after?

[QUOTE=Sybarite2006;1797318]Is it possible to go to Artemis then leave and reenter later on the same day without paying twice? I might do that for the first time tomorrow as I have a dinner date in the evening but want to try artemis before and after?[/QUOTE]No problem, just inform the girls in the reception before you leave. You need to sign a paper identifying your key number.

It's been 2 years since I'd been to Artemis and reading many of the reports from here and elsewhere had me a little concerned in lead up to my arrival. So many negative posts.

On Friday I stayed for many hours and during that time I fucked 4 really nice girls. Here is my summary for each:

1) Gabriella. Arriving at Artemis I'd had a particular girl in mind to relieve me of a few days of back pressure. As she couldn't be found I chatted to many very hot women but finally decided on Gabriella from Poland. To me she is very pretty with a lovely round face as so many Polish girls do and very warm to chat with. I've learnt from my time here before to be direct in what my expectations are in bed and Gabriella confirmed she was comfortable with those. In bed she was really lovely. Good BBBJ, passionate DFK and enthusiastic sex in multiple positions. Great time.

2) Iris from the Philippines was a mixed bag. Slightly older, but still in decent shape, she was fun in the bed and performed everything I asked for but could not get me over the line. Still had a good time with Iris, just not as good as the others.

3) Ella. Over the course of the day I'd seen this amazing looking platinum blonde walking in to the bar from time to time and within a few minutes she'd be exiting again with another punter. This was Ella from Saint Petersburg in Russia.

Clearly she was one of the top 2 or 3 most popular girls on the night. About 8 pm she walked in again and as I was sitting nearby I called her over and expected to be treated with quite an aggressive manner as so many of the experienced girls have. Reality couldn't have been any further from the truth. Right from the start Ella was completely charming, happy to chat too, although it didn't take too much chatting for me to want to get her in bed.

In bed Ella was fantastic. Right at the start she asked 2 or 3 short questions to size up my expectations and then it was on. Clearly talented and happy to do whatever it takes to satisfy you, my session with Ella was more GFE than PSE but I'm confident she could switch to that role if that's what I wanted. The session was like a dream come true. Here I am with stunning Russian blonde with beautiful perky boobs, snug fit and cracking body riding me enthusiastically. It was a memorable sight. Lying on the bed for a few minutes with Ella after the session we were having a laugh and I said to her, only half joking, Ella doesn't sell sex, she sells dreams.

As a side note, I saw her later on downstairs in the wellness area where she met quite a large guy, probably in his mid to late sixties that didn't appear to get so much attention from some other girls who ventured down there. Considering how many guys Ella sessioned on Friday it was really great to see here take her time with this guy, sit down and have a drink before heading off with him for a session. He looked pretty happy when he came back.

4) Erika from Slovakia was the one that was not meant to happen. Slightly thicker set, and I do mean slightly, she was not rally what I was looking for at that time, in fact I was looking for a particular girl, to no avail, and chatted with a few others but found they didn't do this or that, notably a cute Bulgarian girl with shortish dark hair, possibly called Maria or Martika.

Anyway, I walked past Erika in the stairwell and she called me back, but like I said she probably didn't match what I had in mind at that time. Oh but for the power of the pussy. In a few short minutes Erika unexpectedly charmed the pants off me, well the robe at least. In bed she was lots of fun with huge boobs and tight fit and managed to milk me surprisingly easily. Erika was the surprise of the night.

All in all I think Artemis is still doing just fine.

[QUOTE=Grrrr;1797867]It's been 2 years since I'd been to Artemis and reading many of the reports from here and elsewhere had me a little concerned in lead up to my arrival. So many negative posts. On Friday I stayed for many hours and during that time I fucked 4 really nice girls.
All in all I think Artemis is still doing just fine.[/QUOTE]Exactly. Nice post. Normal guy, chose well, normal good times.

[QUOTE=Grrrr;1797867]It's been 2 years since I'd been to Artemis and reading many of the reports from here and elsewhere had me a little concerned in lead up to my arrival. So many negative posts.All in all I think Artemis is still doing just fine.[/QUOTE]Good report and great to see some positive comments about the club.

[QUOTE=Grrrr;1797867]
3) Ella. Over the course of the day I'd seen this amazing looking platinum blonde walking in to the bar from time to time and within a few minutes she'd be exiting again with another punter. This was Ella from Saint Petersburg in Russia.

Clearly she was one of the top 2 or 3 most popular girls on the night. About 8 pm she walked in again and as I was sitting nearby I called her over and expected to be treated with quite an aggressive manner as so many of the experienced girls have. Reality couldn't have been any further from the truth. Right from the start Ella was completely charming, happy to chat too, although it didn't take too much chatting for me to want to get her in bed.

In bed Ella was fantastic. Right at the start she asked 2 or 3 short questions to size up my expectations and then it was on. Clearly talented and happy to do whatever it takes to satisfy you, my session with Ella was more GFE than PSE but I'm confident she could switch to that role if that's what I wanted. The session was like a dream come true. Here I am with stunning Russian blonde with beautiful perky boobs, snug fit and cracking body riding me enthusiastically. It was a memorable sight. Lying on the bed for a few minutes with Ella after the session we were having a laugh and I said to her, only half joking, Ella doesn't sell sex, she sells dreams.

As a side note, I saw her later on downstairs in the wellness area where she met quite a large guy, probably in his mid to late sixties that didn't appear to get so much attention from some other girls who ventured down there. Considering how many guys Ella sessioned on Friday it was really great to see here take her time with this guy, sit down and have a drink before heading off with him for a session. He looked pretty happy when he came back.
[/QUOTE]Ella is one of the legends of Artemis. I've also been with her and she is really a nice and kind girl.

I arrived around 6 pm and things were fairly quiet. Entering the bar, I was accosted by two ladies who were evidently looking for a threesome. One of them didn't appeal to me, with fake tits and coloured hair, but her younger friend was rather cute and natural-looking. This was Tracy from Hamburg, who claimed to only work about 4 days a month in Artemis. She is mixed race, slim with perky A-cup tits and a cute little arse. Her friend left and we chatted an cuddled on the sofa, discussing what she enjoyed. This matched my preferences so we headed up to the room.

Things started slowly with kissing, cuddling and stroking. I kissed my way down her body before licking her tasty pussy, which got her nicely wet. She turned over and I gave her arsehole some attention with my tongue, to appreciative moans. I rubbed my dick between her arsecheeks, then she turned over, slipped on a condom and I fucked her slowly in missionary whilst we kissed increasingly passionately. When I came, she urged me not to stop and after a few more strokes, she seem to orgasm as well. All in all a very good GFE.

After relaxing in the sauna, I headed to the downstairs Kino and waited to see what might turn up. I turned away a few girls who didn't appeal, then Katerina (Bulgaria) appeared with a friend and I asked her to join me. She is dark-haired, slim, very small tits. We started the action right in the Kino as she gave me a good blow job. Her friend sat on the sofa in front and watched, smiling. I enjoyed the blowjob for as long as I could, groping Katerina's arse and watching the parade of naked beauties who passed through looking for business. Eventually I couldn't hold back any longer and filled Katerina's mouth with cum, which she shared with me with a creamy kiss. Another good performance.

I stayed a while longer, enjoying the eye candy, but was too tired to session again.

[QUOTE=Hermann666;1797925]Ella is one of the legends of Artemis. I've also been with her and she is really a nice and kind girl.[/QUOTE]Jenna:

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HB.

[QUOTE=HessenBub;1797996]Jenna:

[URL]http://www.virtualnights.com/berlin/partybilder/venus-2015.3000370.2662607[/URL]

HB[/QUOTE]Silvanas sister? LOL.

[QUOTE=Grrrr;1797867]Iris from the Philippines was a mixed bag. Slightly older, but still in decent shape, she was fun in the bed and performed everything I asked for but could not get me over the line. Still had a good time with Iris, just not as good as the others.[/QUOTE]On occassion and according to Artemis website: Correct spelling "Irish". Don't mix her up with Romanian "Iris". Different women. - Thanks for your report.

[QUOTE=Pharisaer;1798061]On occassion and according to Artemis website: Correct spelling "Irish". Don't mix her up with Romanian "Iris". Different women. - Thanks for your report.[/QUOTE]Irish from Malaysia? The lady with nipples which was designed to fit King Kongs mother?

Anyhow; Dear Rocketboy, you are probably not here being able to read this, but sad to see you depart. I want to dedicate this poem to you written by a ladyboy called Willy from Manila:

Like a honey bee.

You took the best of me.

Now I can't erase those memories.

Like a fairy tale.

You are so unreal.

You left a scar that's so hard to heal.

When you had a taste of paradise.

Back on earth can feel.

As cold as ice.

I'm going to miss you.

I miss you.

[QUOTE=Zimmerbaby;1798512]Irish from Malaysia? The lady with nipples which was designed to fit King Kongs mother?

Anyhow; Dear Rocketboy, you are probably not here being able to read this, but sad to see you depart. I want to dedicate this poem to you written by a ladyboy called Willy from Manila:

Like a honey bee.

You took the best of me.

Now I can't erase those memories.

Like a fairy tale.

You are so unreal.

You left a scar that's so hard to heal.

When you had a taste of paradise.

Back on earth can feel.

As cold as ice.

I'm going to miss you.

I miss you.[/QUOTE]This poem make me wonder if this Rocketboy is man or woman?? LOL.

Sorry for my lack of poetry, my report is going to be factual.

Was at Artemis yesterday night, after hesitating a lot between a brother, escort and FKK. I must admit, my first time in an FKK and probably my last (question of personal choice).

Got there, showered and changed and then started working around to get an idea of the place. A few sharks (and not the prettiest.) started following me with insistance. After I told them I was not interested, they started laughing at me saying "Why does this guy come here of he's not interested". Duhhhhh. Because you'd have to pay me to fuck you, and not the other way around. Anyhow! What an attitude! And the girl in question started sharing the news with all of her girlfriends whom were not the brightest light of the place anyhow. Didn't care!

Went to the wellness area and the bar area, walked around and I must say it is quite impressive to be surrounded with so many pretty girls in the nude! About one quarter of them not very pretty, one third average girls and one third really awesome. However, I didn't like feeling like a prey. They each took turn in insisting to go with me and that gave me the impression they just wanted to take my money and give me the least they could get away with. I'm a guy who like to take his time, chose his girl and connect with the her. No time for that there, girls were busy and if you didn't want to bangbang right away, they went to someone else.

In the end, I decided to go with a young dirty blonde, an ok girl but with very nice boobs I must admit. She was so mechanical, it was pathetic. Of course, no cuddling, no kissing, no finger in pussy, extras for everything. I ended up finishing manually on her boobs as she was not able to make me cum. I was so turned off by her manner. An expensive way of having dull sex!

Maybe I'm judging the other girls, and maybe it is different at other times of the day, and maybe I'm picky, and maybe my expectations were to high etc. But all in all, didn't like the "sausage factory" aspect of the place and the sex (pun completely intended.) will try something else next time. I recognize that if you want to bangbang quickly as many girls possible, that is probably the place. I must be getting old, but that does not satisfy me anymore.

Supposing you had had the most electrifying time with a natural beauty at Artemis including kissing and fingers anything you want? This happened to me last time with Hungarian Geraldine. One bad visit is like playing darts sometimes you hit the bullseye sometimes you miss, like casinos LOL. I wouldn't give up on the FKK model yet your girl is in that club somewhere!! I also find that when the "rude" sharks let rip a little joke or humour or the sharing of a cigarette goes a long way to breaking the ice and turning the mood around, even if you decide not to take her to a room where she may feel that she is repeating the same mechanical movements over and over again hence the initial outward negativity which is so often reported here. (travel dates posted).

[QUOTE=Sevenup;1798877]Sorry for my lack of poetry, my report is going to be factual.

Was at Artemis yesterday night, after hesitating a lot between a brother, escort and FKK. I must admit, my first time in an FKK and probably my last (question of personal choice).

Got there, showered and changed and then started working around to get an idea of the place. A few sharks (and not the prettiest.) started following me with insistance. After I told them I was not interested, they started laughing at me saying "Why does this guy come here of he's not interested". Duhhhhh. Because you'd have to pay me to fuck you, and not the other way around. Anyhow! What an attitude! And the girl in question started sharing the news with all of her girlfriends whom were not the brightest light of the place anyhow. Didn't care!

Went to the wellness area and the bar area, walked around and I must say it is quite impressive to be surrounded with so many pretty girls in the nude! About one quarter of them not very pretty, one third average girls and one third really awesome. However, I didn't like feeling like a prey. They each took turn in insisting to go with me and that gave me the impression they just wanted to take my money and give me the least they could get away with. I'm a guy who like to take his time, chose his girl and connect with the her. No time for that there, girls were busy and if you didn't want to bangbang right away, they went to someone else.

In the end, I decided to go with a young dirty blonde, an ok girl but with very nice boobs I must admit. She was so mechanical, it was pathetic. Of course, no cuddling, no kissing, no finger in pussy, extras for everything. I ended up finishing manually on her boobs as she was not able to make me cum. I was so turned off by her manner. An expensive way of having dull sex!

Maybe I'm judging the other girls, and maybe it is different at other times of the day, and maybe I'm picky, and maybe my expectations were to high etc. But all in all, didn't like the "sausage factory" aspect of the place and the sex (pun completely intended.) will try something else next time. I recognize that if you want to bangbang quickly as many girls possible, that is probably the place. I must be getting old, but that does not satisfy me anymore.[/QUOTE]Haha, I got girls throw me attitude like that when I politely refuse. I mean, with them being polite equal you are weak, so they throw you attitude. Funny education hey?

So if someone tell me why you are here if you are not interested? I will reply the truth, but remain polite with winning smile:

"Because you are ugly and I won't even zimmer with you even you pay me 60 Euro" LOL I mean this is the truth no? And I am not insulting them, but just conveying accurate observation to the girl.

With hot beautiful ones, even I cannot do it anymore after 5 zimmer or so, I will still go to upstairs to zimmer no matter what LOL We say no because girls are not up to our specification of beauty, it is very simple.

Just ignore the ugly ones, they do not deserve the space front of me, but even for them they have some kind of human right to exist, unfortunately. , but not in front of me and in this case you LOL.

[QUOTE=Sevenup;1798877] I must admit, my first time in an FKK and probably my last (question of personal choice)[/QUOTE]Highly suggest you check out Club Globe in Zurich. Its 140/ half hour which many FKK'rs will say is a "ripp off".

However, when you factor in the FKK reality, that 30 min for 70 buys you near zero, the long taxis / trains in Frankfurt, and the waiting around for 2/3rd of avg / fat gals. You may findthe 140 is a bargain.

Further, you are treated with 100% respect and service level is guaranteed superior to FKKs.

Zurich is closer to a Playboy mansion orgy v. The grim public bath-house reality of crowds at FKKs.

[QUOTE=KaveMan;1798995]Highly suggest you check out Club Globe in Zurich. Its 140/ half hour which many FKK'rs will say is a "ripp off".

However, when you factor in the FKK reality, that 30 min for 70 buys you near zero, the long taxis / trains in Frankfurt, and the waiting around for 2/3rd of avg / fat gals. You may findthe 140 is a bargain.

Further, you are treated with 100% respect and service level is guaranteed superior to FKKs.

Zurich is closer to a Playboy mansion orgy v. The grim public bath-house reality of crowds at FKKs.[/QUOTE]True.

140 chf is about 120 euro, so it is merely double the price and even at Artemis it most of times require one hour session to get proper service and not even sometimes, so if globe Zurich guarantee that for 140 chf /120 euro, then hell yeah it is worth it.

I will find out this month.

[QUOTE=Sevenup;1798877] After I told them I was not interested, they started laughing at me saying "Why does this guy come here of he's not interested". Duhhhhh. [/QUOTE]Yo Sevenup, thanks for your report and sorry to hear about your bad experience. From what I can see, you made a little mistake by saying that your not interested. I mean, the girl properly knows that she's not your type, and you maybe made her embarrassed and for making up from that, she will tell all her friends as she wants payback for that.

Refusing a girl in a polite way is hard, I know. And the only politely way I know is "I'm not ready, all empty", "maybe later", but also this has gotten me in to trouble as I walk with another girl upstairs minutes after LOL, but hey they know the game and they also know what it properly means, when you say "maybe later" and never go with them. But they were never told you weren't interested in them or making them feel bad.

Give the place another chance my friend.

[QUOTE=Sevenup;1798877]A few sharks (and not the prettiest.) started following me with insistance. After I told them I was not interested, they started laughing at me saying "Why does this guy come here of he's not interested". Duhhhhh. Because you'd have to pay me to fuck you, and not the other way around. Anyhow! What an attitude![/QUOTE]I agree it can be confronting when you are subjected to this. And, utterly baffling to me as a way to get business.

Ella has been mentioned very favourably here recently (I agree), and she's a great example of an Artemis lady who is always on the prowl for customers, yet she conducts her business with class and style. Wish she'd school a few of her workmates in that respect, but I guess she'd rather have any potential competition keep behaving like that.

[QUOTE=KaveMan;1798995]Highly suggest you check out Club Globe in Zurich. Its 140/ half hour which many FKK'rs will say is a "ripp off".

However, when you factor in the FKK reality, that 30 min for 70 buys you near zero, the long taxis / trains in Frankfurt, and the waiting around for 2/3rd of avg / fat gals. You may findthe 140 is a bargain.

Further, you are treated with 100% respect and service level is guaranteed superior to FKKs.

Zurich is closer to a Playboy mansion orgy v. The grim public bath-house reality of crowds at FKKs.[/QUOTE]Maybe Zurich is great (most, but not all, say the same), but you don't help make your point by being so down on FKK. If you know what you are doing, a really excellent time can be had.

[QUOTE=AznNick;1799139]Yo Sevenup, thanks for your report and sorry to hear about your bad experience. From what I can see, you made a little mistake by saying that your not interested. I mean, the girl properly knows that she's not your type, and you maybe made her embarrassed and for making up from that, she will tell all her friends as she wants payback for that.

Refusing a girl in a polite way is hard, I know. And the only politely way I know is "I'm not ready, all empty", "maybe later", but also this has gotten me in to trouble as I walk with another girl upstairs minutes after LOL, but hey they know the game and they also know what it properly means, when you say "maybe later" and never go with them. But they were never told you weren't interested in them or making them feel bad.

Give the place another chance my friend.[/QUOTE]Thanks AzNick.

I have more social skills than telling a girl I was not interested! This girl started following me everywhere. And after telling her I was just relaxing, I was not on a hurry, I just wanted to be a bit by myself, I was not ready, etc, etc, etc. She kept insisting and being pushy. At some point I had enough and I had no choice but to be clear! She was very pushy (and ugly!) and I had to be abrupt for her to stop! There was nobody around us when that happened and I did not say it loud, she could have said nothing and go away. I figure she thought she was just getting even with me by telling her other friends, loudly in the hallway. If I had really wanted to be rude, I could have been right there in front of her friends, but I couldn't care less. Really. To me, she was just showing her bad attitude to the other guys around, not a very good way to do business in my opinion.

I've been thinking back at my Artemis experience and I guess that for me it is something very personal that irritated me. As a man, I am usually the one who chose. I am not shy and I approach the girls I want to approach, those that attract me. Being in the reverse role of being repeatedly asked all the time didn't feel good and really made me upset at some point. I did want to spend some time and relax there, with sessions to spice things up. Couldn't relax, had to deal with all these girls wanting to fuck! I guess I'm starting to understand how the hot girls feel being hit on all the time! Lmao!

[QUOTE=Sevenup;1799184] I guess that for me it is something very personal that irritated me...and really made me upset at some point[/QUOTE]We have all had similar experiences; its a hazard of being around working girls. And why society gives them a bad reputation.

Some call it surly behavior, some call it rude, 'not correct' or bad customer service and all have had barrage of insults from these troublemakers from: gay, to old, to impotent, to no dick, small dick, pussy or whatever junk comes out of their mouths.

Most Men's guard is down when surrounded by so much female beauty; and it never should be, whether for an insult or being robbed.

Keep you guard up and only converse with the beauties; silence is golden.

Is there an ATM on the premises?

[QUOTE=BizPilot11;1799468]Is there an ATM on the premises?[/QUOTE]Any bro, going on this weekend? How was it usually on Saturday evening?

[QUOTE=BizPilot11;1799468]Is there an ATM on the premises?[/QUOTE]Next to the reception.

HB.

Some time off in Berlin so going to head off to Artemis. Should get there about 4. 30.

It's interesting to read the posts about the very aggressive girls. It's similar to being in a strip club, when the girls see you spending money on lap dances, they won't leave you alone. I have to keep excusing myself to go to the toilet to get rid of them.

Are there plenty of toilets at Artemis where you can retreat to, to get rid of aggressive girls?

[QUOTE=Peterpack;1800130]It's interesting to read the posts about the very aggressive girls. It's similar to being in a strip club, when the girls see you spending money on lap dances, they won't leave you alone. I have to keep excusing myself to go to the toilet to get rid of them.

Are there plenty of toilets at Artemis where you can retreat to, to get rid of aggressive girls?[/QUOTE]Yes, but if you want a break from the girls, the wellness and bar areas downstairs are a good plan. Not many venture down there, and it is much easier to get them to move on. You are seen as fair game in the upstairs bar, but downstairs is an area for relaxation.

The other option is to tell them you have no money for them (not that you have no money). They've no answer to that.

[QUOTE=Frozty;1800423]Yes, but if you want a break from the girls, the wellness and bar areas downstairs are a good plan. Not many venture down there, and it is much easier to get them to move on. You are seen as fair game in the upstairs bar, but downstairs is an area for relaxation.

The other option is to tell them you have no money for them (not that you have no money). They've no answer to that.[/QUOTE]Ninja say sometimes - "You very nice, but I lost my penis".

Really guys, this not such a problem. Girls just trying to earn money. slow days have been slower recently.
Just be polite and then ignore. Don't take their words personally. All just games.

So much negative stuff lately-not understand. If you just relax and enjoy, A very fun. Hundreds do every day.

[QUOTE=Sevenup;1798877]
Was at Artemis yesterday night, after hesitating a lot between a brother, escort and FKK. I must admit, my first time in an FKK and probably my last (question of personal choice).
[/QUOTE]Its possible to have a very good relaxed time, but as a new face in club in desperate times, more difficult. Maybe you were not in the right club. Would be wrong to judge from the one visit.

Every club has some more aggressive girls to be avoided and some clubs have some very nice girls without an aggressive bone in their body. I don't recall any great problems from aggressive girls on my first day in Sharks, so that may be a good choice for visit. It has a lot of wide open space indoors which helps a lot. My first day in World I had a few hassles from Bulgarian girls, but still returned to the club at a later date.

Maybe the right tactic is to attend some club special party when the club is overly full of men. I of course avoid those days, but could be right for someone wanting reduced girl pressure.

[QUOTE=NookyNinja;1800433]Ninja say sometimes - "You very nice, but I lost my penis".
[/QUOTE]Another alternative: "No way! I am gay!

[QUOTE=ShoesAndSocks;1799173]I agree it can be confronting when you are subjected to this. And, utterly baffling to me as a way to get business.

Ella has been mentioned very favourably here recently (I agree), and she's a great example of an Artemis lady who is always on the prowl for customers, yet she conducts her business with class and style. Wish she'd school a few of her workmates in that respect, but I guess she'd rather have any potential competition keep behaving like that.[/QUOTE]She tried to cut me on time in the room last month, but we still had 8 minutes, soon backed down when I showed her my stop watch hmmm.

[QUOTE=BizPilot11;1799468]Is there an ATM on the premises?[/QUOTE]Yes they're above reception, I've not used them, but I would guess that there would be a nice charge for using the machines onsite like in other clubs, anyone know?

[QUOTE=Peterpack;1800130]It's interesting to read the posts about the very aggressive girls. It's similar to being in a strip club, when the girls see you spending money on lap dances, they won't leave you alone. I have to keep excusing myself to go to the toilet to get rid of them.

Are there plenty of toilets at Artemis where you can retreat to, to get rid of aggressive girls?[/QUOTE]Don't hide in the toilets, you're the man, be a boss, don't let the girls take the pi$$, be polite but firm, the ones that are rude and stroppy, you know never to touch.

I always hide in the indoor pool island.

[QUOTE=Jerboa;1800513]She tried to cut me on time in the room last month, but we still had 8 minutes, soon backed down when I showed her my stop watch hmmm.

Yes they're above reception, I've not used them, but I would guess that there would be a nice charge for using the machines onsite like in other clubs, anyone know?

Don't hide in the toilets, you're the man, be a boss, don't let the girls take the pi$$, be polite but firm, the ones that are rude and stroppy, you know never to touch.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DidiVise;1800606]I always hide in the indoor pool island.[/QUOTE]Why hide? I sit in the sofas or stand in the bar. Speak to the girls I like an send the sharks away. Be polite but clear on the fact that you're not interested in a session now. Except for a couple of girls I've never come across a girl that has been rude to me.

Good day at Artemis on Thursday. My first time there. Got there about 4 pm, already pretty busy. First impression of the LU was that it looked pretty good, though there was a lot of siliicone on view. Not my taste.

Took some time to walk about and try and orientate myself while trying to decide on a lady to choose. Spoke briefly with Mia and thought she would be my first option but needed to go shower and get something to drink first. Came back to see her heading to a room with another customer. No worries I can wait until she's free unless someone else comes my way.

After a while Mia reappeared so I pounced before she got taken again by someone else. She suggested we go to the kino downstairs. Fine by me. Wasn't long before she was giving me a BBBJ and we then headed to a room. Mia was a little bit limited in what she allowed me to do but nevertheless it was a good session.

Had dinner and relaxed for a while before hunting for another session.

I was tempted to go with Mia again but there were other girls I was considering. Eventually decided to go for Diana. Saw her heading downstairs to loook for business so followed and waited for her to approach me. Off to the kino again and after a short wait for a room to be free off we went. Great session. Just what I needed at that point.

By this time the club was really busy. Hard to move around. Lots of guys & girls.

A nice enjoyable visit. Liked the club, so will return next time I have free time in Berlin. I thought the outside facilities and rooms looked great though the weather wasn't conducive to using them although the outside rooms were being used as there was waiting time for the indoor ones.

Thanks for the advice everyone!

I do have a concern with waiting for rooms. If your waiting with a girl for a room for say 30 minutes, where do you wait? Are you standing in line next to the girl you are booking? Does it get awkward?

In the evening, is waiting for a room the norm? Or the exception?

Thanks again, I'm not the most patient guy in the world, so waiting will always be hard for me.

[QUOTE=Jerboa;1800513]Don't hide in the toilets, you're the man, be a boss, don't let the girls take the pi$$, be polite but firm, the ones that are rude and stroppy, you know never to touch.[/QUOTE]With the aggressive girls, you can't show a weak side, or it would lead then on. Aggression is just really annoying with the ones that are persistent, but should be handled firmly so she gets the message than showing any signs you are likely to give in to her pressure. Beats me why she'd think that tactic would work, certainly not with me. Perhaps she had experienced that sort of tactic to work with some punters. I know a girl from another club that knows me well even if I never take her that is pretty persistent every visit. When I'm near her, I know it's going to happen. Although seems a bit persistent, I don't take it seriously as I'm pretty used to it, and I think she takes it lightheartedly too. She remembers me well too, probably because I'm probably the most difficult one.

[QUOTE=Peterpack;1800130]It's interesting to read the posts about the very aggressive girls. It's similar to being in a strip club, when the girls see you spending money on lap dances, they won't leave you alone. I have to keep excusing myself to go to the toilet to get rid of them.

Are there plenty of toilets at Artemis where you can retreat to, to get rid of aggressive girls?[/QUOTE]You go to club with girls to spend time in toilets? If You are ugly Quasimodo like me, no girl will come to You, You will have to buy champagne and to propose them to marry with big money if You want to attract one to only speak with you. If You are Brad Pitt or G Clooney, just say: I choose my girls. Imagine my problem as ugly Quasimodo with 3 legs, and I say to girls: don t You know the rule? I m the client, You are just a provider among many others, so I decide how I buy my market, only the prettiest GFE, only for club rate, and it works for years, girls know when they look at You if You are easy client or a wolf, by the way You behave. Look at them in the eyes like You do for your job, they will understand.

Wow. In over 10 years I've never heard that guys are hiding from girls in toilets. Why? If you don't like a girl tell her she's not your type or whatever and send her away.

HB.

Guys, related to the aggressive girls issue.

I have read and been told that you shouldn't tip the girls. Obviously many foreign visitors from countries with tipping culture probably will tip the girls, say 10 euros. Will the word spread and the girls get even more aggressive with 'tippers' ?

[QUOTE=Peterpack;1800813]Guys, related to the aggressive girls issue.

I have read and been told that you shouldn't tip the girls. Obviously many foreign visitors from countries with tipping culture probably will tip the girls, say 10 euros. Will the word spread and the girls get even more aggressive with 'tippers' ?[/QUOTE]Although I understand your concern(market is what we all pay), stating this in a forum is not going to have much affect. People will tip as they see fit no matter what they read here. Also, you got tourists that show up on a blue moon. You think they care? I hear about guys stop going with a girl because expecting extraordinary tip or a girl demanding ridiculous amount for stuff. She wouldn't do this without good knowledge of the punter she is dealing with.

In a competitive club setting, there is a bit of a competition in regards to regular girls I imagine. And the tipping and spending more for keeping a tighter relationship with a girl that works for money. What this creates on the other hand..

[QUOTE=Peterpack;1800813]Guys, related to the aggressive girls issue.

I have read and been told that you shouldn't tip the girls. Obviously many foreign visitors from countries with tipping culture probably will tip the girls, say 10 euros. Will the word spread and the girls get even more aggressive with 'tippers' ?[/QUOTE]Correct, don't tip the girls, this is Germany not the USA, with many one time club visitors to Artemis some might tip girls, or let them keep change, but I've never had a girl at Artemis ask me for a tip, though had one in Palace ask, cheeky cow!

I arrived at Artemis at 11:30 am, paid entry, the thekenfrau at reception wanted to look in my bag, seen this before, they check to see you don't sneak booze in, no wonder when a poxy beer is 10!

Got changed and had a quick shower, it was still early, with not so many girls about, got a drink at the bar, a couple of girls tried to get me, spotted Jenna sat on a couch, had a quick chat to her, the afternoon is a ideal time to catch her, before she is busy later, I went to get some breakfast first, then had a wander about, got talking to a few girls, but wasn't in a rush, took a paddle in the hot tub then a sauna outside.

Brigitta HU.

Spotted this hot looking blonde Hungarian barbie doll down in the wellness area, was around 3 pm so time to kick off, she looks hot, big fake tits, tattoos and tan. We got a room down by the basement kino, did the usual, her BBBJ was decent, and a tight body to play with, sex was first in cowgirl, then doggy, Brigitta started getting stroppy with me, I was smiling, as I was enjoying the session, think she was frustrated as I hadn't cum in 5 minutes, so she started a argument with me when I asked for mish, ripped the condom off my dick and wanted to wank me off. She picked on the wrong guy, maybe she thought I was a easy to handle newbie, I stopped her, and told her straight I'm the customer, I haven't been rude to you, and I expect to be treated correctly, and it worked, she cut out the bullshit, smiled and put a new condom on, quick BJ and we did more doggy till I was ready to cum. A real shame she has a attitude, maybe the painters were in, no idea, I might of seen her again if she wasn't like that.

Sat in the lounge for a while, and watched the goings on, fancied a crack at Jenna again, before she got busy, but she went off with another guy, had another drink and took another sauna, back in the lounge about 5 pm, saw Jenna back at the bar, quick chat and off we went to a room.

Jenna DE.

As usual she was a excellent punt, does everything professionally and with a smile, no rush to get you to cum, great extensive BBBJ, did some boob fucking, with her laid on her back, and her huge tits covered in oil! : crazy: was ready to shag her, so on with the condom, we did mish first, cowgirl then doggy, asked Jenna about anal, she said she does it but not today, it's 100 extra at Artemis anyway, ended up doing mish, shooting my load! Brilliant!

By chance it was 6 pm by the time we finished, so quick shower, then to the dinning room, food was not bad, had rice and fish with veg and some salad. After dinner spent some time sat in the lounge, people watching, got asked to go room with several girls, but wasn't in any rush at the moment, had a sauna and a drink downstairs in the basement bar.

Priscilla DE.

The club was starting to get busy, I was ready for another session, spotted Priscilla that I'd sessioned with in September, now she is the stereotype model barbie, large fake tits, long blonde hair, collagen lips and lots of tattoos, a good session, no complaints from her even though I did her hard in several positions.

Had a rest, a drink and another sauna, it was around 11 pm by now, still plenty off time left, and the club was busy, had a few targets, Virginia was still ignoring me LOL.

Vanity DE.

I'd chatted to a pretty looking black girl earlier, nice brown skin and big natural tits, said she was German but family from South Africa, took her downstairs to the kino, a little wait for a room, a good session with Vanity, good BBBJ, and did several positions.

Jaime DE.

After a rest and some down time I fancied another session, had spoken to Jaime earlier, she remembered me from a previous session, sexy looking blonde German, late 20's, with medium fake tits and several tattoos, had a enjoyable session with her, ticked all the boxes.

By now it was late, around 2 am, I had to leave soon to catch the 06:30 flight back to STN, had no interest in another session, so had a drink and a seat in the lounge, left 4 am and took the S-bahn from West-Kreuz, but the ring line anticlockwise was shut, so had to mess about going via you-bahn and bus to airport, nearly missed my flight, so be careful.

[QUOTE=Jerboa;1801084]Brigitta HU.

Spotted this hot looking blonde Hungarian barbie doll down in the wellness area, was around 3 pm so time to kick off, she looks hot, big fake tits, tattoos and tan. We got a room down by the basement kino, did the usual, her BBBJ was decent, and a tight body to play with, sex was first in cowgirl, then doggy, Brigitta started getting stroppy with me, I was smiling, as I was enjoying the session, think she was frustrated as I hadn't cum in 5 minutes, so she started a argument with me when I asked for mish, ripped the condom off my dick and wanted to wank me off. She picked on the wrong guy, maybe she thought I was a easy to handle newbie, I stopped her, and told her straight I'm the customer, I haven't been rude to you, and I expect to be treated correctly, and it worked, she cut out the bullshit, smiled and put a new condom on, quick BJ and we did more doggy till I was ready to cum. A real shame she has a attitude, maybe the painters were in, no idea, I might of seen her again if she wasn't like that.[/QUOTE]Wow I have to give you credit for that, settle the girl and then continue to fuck. For me it would properly have killed the mood, you must be an expert LOL anyway thanks for a good report about the different girls, much appreciated.

[QUOTE=AznNick;1801207]Wow I have to give you credit for that, settle the girl and then continue to fuck. For me it would properly have killed the mood, you must be an expert LOL anyway thanks for a good report about the different girls, much appreciated.[/QUOTE]Yeah pissed me off slightly, but doesn't stop me from fucking her hard, it's all a game they girls try to pull, for whatever reason she thought I was a soft touch, she soon learnt I'm not.

Hi guys,

Is stockings, shinny over knee boots and / or latex common at Artmeis? I am really have a fetish for these things, just want to know what to expect, thanks.

[QUOTE=Satans123;1801843]Hi guys,

Is stockings, shinny over knee boots and / or latex common at Artmeis? I am really have a fetish for these things, just want to know what to expect, thanks.[/QUOTE]No, not common. The girls are nearly all naked apart from high heels. You could try dessous / lingerie day (Wednesday).

[QUOTE=Satans123;1801843]Hi guys,

Is stockings, shinny over knee boots and / or latex common at Artmeis? I am really have a fetish for these things, just want to know what to expect, thanks.[/QUOTE]I did see some girls wearing black stockings in other FKK clubs. I have never seen any girls wearing shinny over knee boots in FKK Artemis.

Do any of you have experience with contacting the staff to see if a certain girl is scheduled to be there on a certain date? I emailed their site about 10 days ago with no response. I am planning a trip to Berlin and want to make sure this certain girl will be there. Thanks!

[QUOTE=MaxSquatter;1802447]Do any of you have experience with contacting the staff to see if a certain girl is scheduled to be there on a certain date? I emailed their site about 10 days ago with no response. I am planning a trip to Berlin and want to make sure this certain girl will be there. Thanks![/QUOTE]As the girls are not employees but independent contractors, any answer on such question will never be more than a - hopefully educated - guess.

Some clubs have a kind of attendance list on their websites. I have never found these to be reliable. It is always a "hit or miss".

Hi all,

Been to the club again after a year I haven't visited Berlin and I have to say that the level of the girls haven't changed, seen a lot of the girls I've been talking to a year ago and had a great time in there. I was very surprised that a lot of the girls remembered me after a year even those I didn't go with, still, all of them were super nice and not pushy to me. I have some very nise conversations with some of them.

I hit the club 3 times during my stay in Berlin and had some great time with the amazing! Carrie (I think this girl is an angel) the most beautiful girl I seen in my life, I also had some nice time with Cecil (hope I wrote her name right). There were a couple of other girls I had some room time with, one of them was a girl from Venezuela she was hot as fire and another was a Bulgarian called called Abbi or something.

Similar. They were all nice and in total I had a blast in this visit. Can't wait to go back and can't take carry out of my head what a beauty.

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Nikole was in top form this evening. No real up-sell efforts, very sweet in the room. Very talkative.

In any case, if there's a name that you've heard that isn't good, but you really want to take her to the room, the best method I've found to get a stellar performance out of a girl is to tell her straight up that your friends told you that she's not good. Then tell her you'd love to prove them wrong, etc. Give a real incentive implying her reputation is on the line. It's never failed for me, even with those who've gotten the worst reviews around here.

[QUOTE=DethManRulz;1803132]In any case, if there's a name that you've heard that isn't good, but you really want to take her to the room, the best method I've found to get a stellar performance out of a girl is to tell her straight up that your friends told you that she's not good. Then tell her you'd love to prove them wrong, etc. Give a real incentive implying her reputation is on the line. It's never failed for me, even with those who've gotten the worst reviews around here.[/QUOTE]Only incentive in FKK is money LOL.

Girls aint competing the performance in club LOL They are there to earn money.

[QUOTE=MrHo;1803141]Only incentive in FKK is money LOL.

Girls aint competing the performance in club LOL They are there to earn money.[/QUOTE]Yes sure money is number 1, but I have seen this sort of reverse psychology work with girls in clubs, as it's human nature and pride to prove someone wrong.

[QUOTE=Jerboa;1803332]Yes sure money is number 1, but I have seen this sort of reverse psychology work with girls in clubs, as it's human nature and pride to prove someone wrong.[/QUOTE]They're just like everyone else. Most people do take pride in their work.

[QUOTE=MrHo;1803141]Only incentive in FKK is money LOL.

Girls aint competing the performance in club LOL They are there to earn money.[/QUOTE]Girls are surley competing for Euros. There are jealousies like a new star that gets repeated rooms. Part of their market or clients taken. Like a threat. That's where the gang affect comes in.

In a more intimate club setting its easier to observe.

I have also met girls that are new in the club not known. There is a drop in esteem from not being approached or picked.

[QUOTE=DethManRulz;1802940]Nikole was in top form this evening. No real up-sell efforts, very sweet in the room. Very talkative.[/QUOTE]That's good to see. Nikole was, by far, the worst punt of my career. But she sure was hot a couple of years back. Haven't seen her for a while.

[QUOTE=MrHo;1803141]Only incentive in FKK is money LOL.

Girls aint competing the performance in club LOL They are there to earn money.[/QUOTE]

Yes, but reputation (which is directly linked to performance) is part of earning money.

[QUOTE=PussyLiccker;1803351]Girls are surley competing for Euros. There are jealousies like a new star that gets repeated rooms. Part of their market or clients taken. Like a threat. That's where the gang affect comes in.

In a more intimate club setting its easier to observe.

I have also met girls that are new in the club not known. There is a drop in esteem from not being approached or picked.[/QUOTE]I agree, but they do not careless what service they provide, but if they like you, the service seems to improve immensely, so let us be nice huh.

Ok, so in a few weeks will arrive in Berlin at 9 am (Sat). Hotel check-in at 3 pm. So I have time to kill before I check in, so why not hang out at Artemis. (I plan to return later in evening for the real fun).

So what's the atmosphere like in the early hours? My guess is that the quality of girls is less during this time (11 am-3 pm). But I was wondering if the A-team girls are required to put in some time at opening or do they dictate what hours they work. Are there enough men there at that time? I'd rather not be the only guy there at 11 am with all shark eyes on me. I will be there regardless, just would like some info about what I'm walking into. Thanks.

[QUOTE=ChuckZ;1803425]Ok, so in a few weeks will arrive in Berlin at 9 am (Sat). Hotel check-in at 3 pm. So I have time to kill before I check in, so why not hang out at Artemis. (I plan to return later in evening for the real fun).

So what's the atmosphere like in the early hours? My guess is that the quality of girls is less during this time (11 am-3 pm). But I was wondering if the A-team girls are required to put in some time at opening or do they dictate what hours they work. Are there enough men there at that time? I'd rather not be the only guy there at 11 am with all shark eyes on me. I will be there regardless, just would like some info about what I'm walking into. Thanks.[/QUOTE]I like the early morning, although I've only attended on weekdays. During the week, there are always a few girls around (6 to 10? And the quality is ok. I usually found Zoe there early, and she's a popular girl, if not to my taste (purple hair, tats and silicone). Nice, friendly girl though, assuming she's still there.

You'll see the lineup pick up around 1 pm.

There will be few men, but you won't get hassled much. The girls are more relaxed and up for a chat at that time of the day. Just tell them that you've come to relax for a few hours before returning later. You'll get fed up repeating the same story a few times, but just focus on the naked girl stood there! I never take a session early, unless it's with a favourite girl. It takes me a few hours to find my mojo after travelling. It's a good time to use the downstairs spa.

Don't know where you are staying, but I always check-in at my hotel first. They might not be able to give you your key, but at least they can hold your stuff. Depends on whether it's out of your way, I suppose. The Kronprinz has checked me in around midday every time that I've tried.

[QUOTE=ChuckZ;1803425]Ok, so in a few weeks will arrive in Berlin at 9 am (Sat). Hotel check-in at 3 pm. So I have time to kill before I check in, so why not hang out at Artemis. (I plan to return later in evening for the real fun).

So what's the atmosphere like in the early hours? My guess is that the quality of girls is less during this time (11 am-3 pm). But I was wondering if the A-team girls are required to put in some time at opening or do they dictate what hours they work. Are there enough men there at that time? I'd rather not be the only guy there at 11 am with all shark eyes on me. I will be there regardless, just would like some info about what I'm walking into. Thanks.[/QUOTE]I like going early, so I can get some breakfast, relax in the lounge, have a chat to a few girls, and take a sauna, there is usually a good selection, as there is a day shift of girls, and also the girls that sleep in the club are usually about early.

[QUOTE=ChuckZ;1803425]Ok, so in a few weeks will arrive in Berlin at 9 am (Sat). Hotel check-in at 3 pm. So I have time to kill before I check in, so why not hang out at Artemis. (I plan to return later in evening for the real fun)[/QUOTE]I have been the first guest of the day at Art a couple of times. I enjoyed being "surrounded" by hot, naked women. I didn't find any of them pushy in the morning, but a bit more later in the day. I think they are more relaxed, that's my impression. Just hanging around, using the saunas and pool, eating, looking at all the beauties, you can't avoid having a good time.

[QUOTE=Nr71;1803669]I have been the first guest of the day at Art a couple of times. I enjoyed being "surrounded" by hot, naked women. I didn't find any of them pushy in the morning, but a bit more later in the day. I think they are more relaxed, that's my impression. Just hanging around, using the saunas and pool, eating, looking at all the beauties, you can't avoid having a good time.[/QUOTE]Thanks everyone. Yes, I would rather be at Artemis than walking around in the cold.

Gentlemen. New information about polish Lotus will be rewarded with DFK.

[QUOTE=Zimmerbaby;1804306]Gentlemen. New information about polish Lotus will be rewarded with DFK.[/QUOTE]Up that to a BBBJ and then we're talking. .

Is Amina still working at Artemis? I ask as I only met her briefly once in the lounge a couple of months ago, very hot looking, but didn't take her up on the offer, been looking out for her on future visits but no sign of her.

[QUOTE=Jerboa;1805502]Is Amina still working at Artemis?[/QUOTE]Yes, she does. AFAIR I've seen her five weeks ago or so.

So, I skipped my lunch to check out the SW area near Potsdamer. After walking for almost 1. 5 hours (got lost a few times), I had seen enough and decided for my first Artemis visit. Arrived 15 min before 3 pm, and by this time was super famished. The counter lady said that dining area would be closed real soon, so I dashed there to find only some cold bread left. Never mind, they have nutella.

And with that out of the way, it was time to finally really check the place out. Back to the lounge and the first girl I saw, introduced herself as Kiki from Bahamas. Exotic. I never had a black girl before and I felt that 'today' was the day. After some pleasantries, off I went to check out the whole place. *I didn't book her BTW.

Long story short, I saw three girls today. The first was Valeska, German African. I like her because her face was just so cute and body was quite fit with a few tattoos. However, that would be all I have to say about her though. Service was average at best, but maybe because I had already lost interest when she said fingering would be extra (should have clarified beforehand, rookie's mistake?) Oh, she had a very lovely smile.

Second was Candy from the Bahamas. I chose her because I felt that she was the prettiest out of the 3 blacks. I was skeptical initially. She was sitting alone, didn't talk much to anyone. Not pushy at all, even after I said "we'll see later or maybe later" a couple of times. Different in the room, became friendlier and more talkative. BBBJ was sloppy and wet. The whole session could be described as 'Fun'.

And for the last, I was absolutely sure to finish the day with a blond white girl. Didn't fancy those blonds with too-fake tits, so had a harder time choosing the 'right' one. Plus it was around 7-8 pm ish, so crowd was swelling as well. And despite these obstacles, I found one girl who shone so bright in the shadowy lounge that I chose to go with her after chatting for about 20 seconds. Outside, it had better lightning and Carolina, the German lady wasn't looking so bright anymore. In the room, she was not better than Valeska but her skin were not the smoothest, especially around the leg area. Is this important to you guys? Because it is to me but how could you tell just by looking? Smooth skin, leg area.

To conclude, I would probably go for Valeska again, 50:50 though. Carolina was a definite no-no. I have to add (to be clear) that while there was no significant negative to mention, so was the positive. Candy was one I would return to for a longer session. All in all, great experience I had. Also chatted with an older guy from Holland, advising me to skip Palace and go to either Oase or Sharks when in Frankfurt, nice chatting with you.

P.S. On my way out, saw a girl, said her name was Amina / Amira. Germany. Tanned with with big boobs (not sure real or not). Cut me off after I said to her 'not tonight' before I could finish 'maybe later'. Too bad because I really fancy her and would want to go up with her next time, which was why I asked for her name. But never mind because afterwards I saw the 'true' blond girl that shone very brightly (I saw her outside the lounge BTW). Her name was Lina. Hopefully, she would be there on Monday.

P.S. S. There was an Asian girl, heavily tattooed on the arms who I saw a lot, but almost always, either on the way up or down with a customer. Didn't see her at the lounge all day. She has to be the star of the day.

[QUOTE=BillAlmighty;1806319]So, I skipped my lunch to check out the SW area near Potsdamer. After walking for almost 1. 5 hours (got lost a few times), I had seen enough and decided for my first Artemis visit. Arrived 15 min before 3 pm, and by this time was super famished. The counter lady said that dining area would be closed real soon, so I dashed there to find only some cold bread left. Never mind, they have nutella.

And with that out of the way, it was time to finally really check the place out. Back to the lounge and the first girl I saw, introduced herself as Kiki from Bahamas. Exotic. I never had a black girl before and I felt that 'today' was the day. After some pleasantries, off I went to check out the whole place.[/QUOTE]Kiki's a nice girl, but fibbing about her nationality, she's African, she told me Senegalese. Carolina is a hot looking German girl, I had a good session with her, but she doesn't kiss, which might put off some guys.

To conclude, I would probably go for Valeska again, 50:50 though. Carolina was a definite no-no. I have to add (to be clear) that while there was no significant negative to mention, so was the positive. Candy was one I would return to for a longer session. All in all, great experience I had. Also chatted with an older guy from Holland, advising me to skip Palace and go to either Oase or Sharks when in Frankfurt, nice chatting with you.

P.S. On my way out, saw a girl, said her name was Amina / Amira. Germany. Tanned with with big boobs (not sure real or not). Cut me off after I said to her 'not tonight' before I could finish 'maybe later'. Too bad because I really fancy her and would want to go up with her next time, which was why I asked for her name. But never mind because afterwards I saw the 'true' blond girl that shone very brightly (I saw her outside the lounge BTW). Her name was Lina. Hopefully, she would be there on Monday.

P.S. S. There was an Asian girl, heavily tattooed on the arms who I saw a lot, but almost always, either on the way up or down with a customer. Didn't see her at the lounge all day. She has to be the star of the day.[/QUOTE]

Does anyone know the Asian girl, Bill is writing about here? Would be interesting for me to make a Berlin trip soon, then. Thanks. Cheers.

Maybe the Asian girl is Sona. She did seem very popular last I spotted her too. Hard to catch her in the lounge. So I wouldn't go to Artemis just to look for one girl who might be busy all night with one guy.

[QUOTE=RempNobbes;1807175]Does anyone know the Asian girl, Bill is writing about here? Would be interesting for me to make a Berlin trip soon, then. Thanks. Cheers.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Pistons;1807180]Maybe the asian girl is Sona.[/QUOTE]I confirm that. Soona / Suna. Recommended. And always busy.

[QUOTE=Pistons;1807180]Maybe the asian girl is Sona. She did seem very popular last I spotted her too. Hard to catch her in the lounge. So I wouldn't go to Artemis just to look for one girl who might be busy all night with one guy.[/QUOTE]Is she half Vietnamese and German? I went with her before, but she was not heavily tattooed on her arms if I remember right though, I think the one I went with had no tattoo and quite new.

[QUOTE=Pharisaer;1807191]I confirm that. Soona / Suna. Recommended. And always busy.[/QUOTE]Thanks a lot for your reply. Now I have a name and can ask for her at the reception or have a call before going. By the way. I will be there next week on a business trip. Might be I am lucky and get her.

[QUOTE=Jerboa;1805502]Is Amina still working at Artemis? I ask as I only met her briefly once in the lounge a couple of months ago, very hot looking, but didn't take her up on the offer, been looking out for her on future visits but no sign of her.[/QUOTE]As far as I know she doesn't work any longer time in Artemis. There was some trouble.

[QUOTE=MrHo;1807197]Is she half Vietnamese and German? I went with her before, but she was not heavily tattooed on her arms if I remember right though, I think the one I went with had no tattoo and quite new.[/QUOTE]100% Thai I believe.

[QUOTE=Pistons;1807617]100% thai I believe.[/QUOTE]Really?

I have returned less than one month ago from a 3 week trip to Thailand (where I had the best sex ever), so I definitely will see if I can hook up with her for a repeat of my Thai experiences.

[QUOTE=Pistons;1807617]100% thai I believe.[/QUOTE]OK, I went with different one then, the one I went with was new, she was Half German / Half Vietnamese, raised in Germany.

Has anyone seen Belle (Cub) and Iris (Ru) lately?

[QUOTE=Toxteth;1807691]Has anyone seen Belle (Cub) and Iris (Ru) lately?[/QUOTE]Confirm Iris. About Belle I don't remember.

[QUOTE=MrHo;1807645]OK, I went with different one then, the one I went with was new, she was Half German / Half Vietnamese, raised in Germany.[/QUOTE]I think I know her from FKK Harmony in Seevetal. She is half Vietnamese and half Italy and raised in Germany. She is a very sweet girl, small about 1,60 m, the color of her hair changes from black to brown to blonde. She has silicon tits and the best is her sweetest smile. Her name in Harmony was Lissa. Is that right?

Well I made it back to the big A a few days ago and met up with two girls. One was Mariella, a 21 year old German girl, really nothing special in the room but I liked her look and she kept me amused for a couple of hours. Later I went with a busty Ukrainian girl, can't remember her name but it began with 'S', she doesn't look Ukrainian but could pass for Moroccan even, as she was dark and sultry. However, in the room the best part was her boobs and performance was satifactory but unspectacular. Food seemed to be reasonable, spicy soup and tasty beef stew.

[QUOTE=Suppenhuhn;1808065]I think I know her from FKK Harmony in Seevetal. She is half Vietnamese and half Italy and raised in Germany. She is a very sweet girl, small about 1,60 m, the color of her hair changes from black to brown to blonde. She has silicon tits and the best is her sweetest smile. Her name in Harmony was Lissa. Is that right?[/QUOTE]The one I went with had no silicone And she seemed un experienced in the room and I hear from other girls that she is relatively new, looked very young though.

The one bad thing is that after the session with me, she took no shower and went up to the room with other client who fetched her at the stairs LOL. I was wow I got to catch her as first client next time if I decide to go to the room with her LOL.

OK it's another girl.

Is Bulgarian angel (real angel she got wings tattooes on all her back) Sissy around nowadays?

So I went back to Artemis on Monday, hoping to catch Lisa, the blond girl that I missed out on Friday. Alas, she was not to be seen that day. Also missing was Candy, who I was hoping to RTF. As soon as I settled down, a few girls started to introduce themselves. The first was a Bulgarian, if I remembered correctly. I passed as she wasn't my type, though she kept approaching me all night to say Hello, not in a pushy way, so it was alright. Next was a Spanish girl, or so she claimed. She didn't look very pretty at first, but also she was very friendly and her look kinda grow on you. So I took her offer to go up for fun time. I forgot her name and I wasn't disappointed as she was friendly and fun in the room.

Second session was not very memorable I supposed, as I totally could not remember who I went with. Name, nationality, blond or brunette and even the face. Third I went with the first girl who approached me, the Bulgarian who was still friendly to me even after so many rejections. I got a lot of sour faces turning many girls away, a slow night I guessed. All in all, that night did not have a spectacular LU but the atmosphere was better IMO, than on Friday night when it became too crowded.

Anyway, note to RempNobbes who was interested in the Asian girl I mentioned in the previous post. I still didn't know her name but maybe I could give more info on her appearances. Her height was around 170 cm in heels. Her hair was long and curly, a mix of black and brown color. Skin was quite fair, more towards 'yellow' rather than snow white type, but also not too dark. Best bet is to look for the tattoo on her arm. They were very loud and covered almost her entire arm. I saw a few Asians over the two days and didn't notice any of them with such loud tattoos. Best of luck, I hope you find her.

As soon as I hit the upload button, it hit me that the Spanish girl's name I mentioned was Lory / Laury.

[QUOTE=Shinai;1808433]Is Bulgarian angel (real angel she got wings tattooes on all her back) Sissy around nowadays?[/QUOTE]Yes, she is.

Hi,

2 questions.

Has anyone seen any true redheads in Artemis? I've tried many nationalities, but still have a redhead on my to-do list.

How often do new girls arrive at Artemis, maybe 5-10 girls a year, in and out?

[QUOTE=AznNick;1808743]Hi,

2 questions.

Has anyone seen any true redheads in Artemis? I've tried many nationalities, but still have a redhead on my to-do list.

How often do new girls arrive at Artemis, maybe 5-10 girls a year, in and out?[/QUOTE]A genuine redhead has to be rare.

Had a brief visit in Berlin this week and Artemis was on my schedule this Wednesday so this means dessus-day.

First session Kisha Bra / Ger.

She has a killer body, really tight with enhanced tits her face is not very beautiful but different. She didn't provide GFE but her cowgirl and fucking her in doggy was magical.

Repeat? Probably!

Second session Vanity she claimed German from Hamburg but she is a mulatto.

She is a small girl with a beautiful face and smile, she has large natural breast. She didn't provide GFE, had her coming hard in DATY before I finished in missionary, nice pussy!

Repeat? Not sure we didn't connect.

Third session Samantha (Bul).

Have spent a lot of time with her before she is always super to me, highly recommended!

Repeat? Guaranteed!!

Fourth session Valentina (Col).

Small petite black haired girl with enhanced tits, sparkling personality. Second time I meet her she is very passionate with lots of DFK the session with her was like WOW, she even provided a very good full body massage afterwords. Highly recommended.

Fifth session Aileen or Aliv not sure from Hamburg (Tur / Ger).

Fitness trained body with enhanced tits, long black hair with a quite beautiful face. If she would have kissed as well it would have been perfect now she gets 9/10!! I get her off in DATY before she started one of the best BJ's I have ever had in my life, and to top it off her pussy was so tight it was almost ridiculous. Fantastic girl, I will repeat whenever I see her again!

Sixth session Madison (Mol).

Beautiful blonde girl with big natural tits she performed a long fantastic, sensual BJ before I managed to come in doggy for the sixth time!!

Repeat? Probably!

And i found the answer on my own question, Belle (Cub) is retired...

[QUOTE=Toxteth;1809227]Sixth session Madison (Mol). Beautiful blonde girl with big natural tits she performed a long fantastic, sensual BJ before I managed to come in doggy for the sixth time!![/QUOTE]Madison? Natural tits? I am sorry, but you're mistaken. Once upon a time.

[QUOTE=Toxteth;1809227]And i found the answer on my own question, Belle (Cub) is retired...[/QUOTE]Thanks!

[QUOTE=Pharisaer;1809328]Madison? Natural tits? I am sorry, but you're mistaken. Once upon a time.[/QUOTE]

Yes you are probably right, but they were very soft! And i almost forgot she squirted during DATY!!

It's my second time here and it's way better than the first time because I've got the time to wait.

In the beginning you wasn't too good because there were too many sharks and is very very hard to avoid them. And as a matter of fact being an Asian I'm always racially insulted when I turned down a girl. Kind of frustrated in the beginning and I was so turned off by the Sharks and them. The a really nice girl called Cleo I think she had seen what happened so she told me if there were too many sharks I could go down stairs to the sauna. Oh hell it went so much better. I felt bad because she wasn't my type and I told her honestly and she was fine with it. A real real cool girl.

Then I made some friends beside the stairs. The stairs is probably the best spot since its way brighter so you could see the girls clearly. My friend and I met Daisy, a funny cute German. She went with my friend first and as they finished their session I could see that my friend has lost his soul haha. So I asked daisy to come with me after she finish her shower. And boy she was such a beast. The whole session was fantastic and indeed she sucked the soul out of me too. Couldn't recommend her more!

I was choosing between several polish blondes for the second session. At last I decided I'd give it a go with Paulina. She was just professional and her body was amazing. Something real funny happened when we tried to change the position she told me that my dick was red and I saw like red liquid on my penis I freaked out I thought holy shit my cock is bleeding. She burst out laughing because it was the condom lube haha. Fun session with her. Very very smart girl with a huge dream.

For the last girl it was Phoebe, a Vietnamese German girl. I saw her went upstairs around 2 am and decided to await. And didn't realize that guy who went with her is a fucking machine they went down eventually at 4 am. I asked Febie to take a quick shower and then maybe we can have a session. We had a quick session and she's just fantastic, a typical type that Asian men will get turned on. Her shyness was extremely sexy.

Guys,

Typically, how many euros overall do you usually spend each time you visit Artemis, just a rough average for the overall visit?

Thanks

It depends.

Do the math:

Entry fee: €80.

30 min: €60.

CIM: €50.

Anal: €100.

How many sessions do you plan for? Any extras? Then bring money for at least one more session as a reserve.

[QUOTE=Peterpack;1809824]Guys,

Typically, how many euros overall do you usually spend each time you visit Artemis, just a rough average for the overall visit?

Thanks[/QUOTE]My "average" after one visit is 350€ (2 sessions, in total 90 minutes, including some tips and extras for DFK and DATY).

My first visit to Artemis was a real success.

After arriving around 18:30 and putting my money in the "Wertsachenschliessfaecher" and my clothes in the wardrobe lockers, I first made a bee-line to the restaurant to get some food inside me to strengthen me for the coming activities.

After a shower, I was ready to go to the lounge.

Wow, the number of women was really overwhelming. I spotted a nice exotic girl, Amber, with a Caribbean look. We talked a few minutes but then she said she was already engaged by another punter and hoped to see me later. Pity, as she was really lovely.

When walking downstairs to the wellness area I met another dark-skinned girl and quickly asked her if she was free. Vanity confirmed this and we went to a room.

Vanity is Spanisch-Nigerian but she lived a long time in Hamburg, so her German and English is very good. She has nice breasts and a small pussy, so my little brother had no problem to rise to the occasion. Unfortunately she does not kiss and did not want me to lick her pussy. Some light massage of her clit was OK. After a nice CBJ I fucked her in mish. It was OK, but not special so I did not extend the session for another 30 minutes.

After some time looking around, some rest in the wellness area bar, I went back to the lounge. I was looking for Amber but did not find her again. My next choice as a very hot looking Asian girl with an impressive tattoo on her arm. However, she was so busy that I did not once got close to her before she was already taken again.

Then a girl approached me and asked if I was interested to go with her. She had a slightly exotic look, so I agreed. Her name was Helen and she was from Columbia.

In the room she suggested a one hour session with extras (DFK and DATY, Dildo-spiele) for 200. Maybe I could talk her down somewhat, but I had a good feeling about her and did not want to spoil it.

Then followed one of the better sessions I ever had. We kissed (DFK) a long time, only interrupted by sucking her nipples which reacted quickly. Then she poured oil over her tits and I could slide over her body until we were both covered in oil.

She asked me to lick her pussy and I was happy to comply. Her instructions were quite explicit and she orgasmed.

I was already quite hard and I fucked her in doggy at her suggestion. With my hands on her tits and deep inside her hot pussy, it did not take very long before I came too.

A short rest and a second session started. She sucked me (BBBJ) and then mounted me in cowgirl. Her skills were very good. While riding up and down on my dick, she again DFK-ed and put her tits in my mouth. And after a while I managed my third orgasm of the evening. Thank you Helen!

Artemis was a very nice start of my Berlin trip.

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1810085]My first visit to Artemis was a real success.

After arriving around 18:30 and putting my money in the "Wertsachenschliessfaecher" and my clothes in the wardrobe lockers, I first made a bee-line to the restaurant to get some food inside me to strengthen me for the coming activities.

After a shower, I was ready to go to the lounge.

Wow, the number of women was really overwhelming. I spotted a nice exotic girl, Amber, with a Caribbean look. We talked a few minutes but then she said she was already engaged by another punter and hoped to see me later. Pity, as she was really lovely.

When walking downstairs to the wellness area I met another dark-skinned girl and quickly asked her if she was free. Vanity confirmed this and we went to a room.

Vanity is Spanisch-Nigerian but she lived a long time in Hamburg, so her German and English is very good. She has nice breasts and a small pussy, so my little brother had no problem to rise to the occasion. Unfortunately she does not kiss and did not want me to lick her pussy. Some light massage of her clit was OK. After a nice CBJ I fucked her in mish. It was OK, but not special so I did not extend the session for another 30 minutes.

After some time looking around, some rest in the wellness area bar, I went back to the lounge. I was looking for Amber but did not find her again. My next choice as a very hot looking Asian girl with an impressive tattoo on her arm. However, she was so busy that I did not once got close to her before she was already taken again.

Then a girl approached me and asked if I was interested to go with her. She had a slightly exotic look, so I agreed. Her name was Helen and she was from Columbia..[/QUOTE]2 hour for 200 euro? For that service level, you got ripped off hardcore mate. , but as it is your first visit, you will get used to the game these girls play to scum money. Normally, if you just go for one hour session of 120, you will be able to get that level of service like DFK, dildo etc. You know normal things you do with GF.

For more hardcore things to your more specific level of little abnormal fetish, one need to pay up a bit.

Why do I get a feeling that knowing the girls means, girls knowing how much you spend on them. Like a regular that attends that know enough girls at this club, being known to do extras or long rooms, or whatnot. Isn't repport just that? A profile that directly linked to how much you spend on the girls?

If punters are paying extra for kissing, etc. Makes sense girls would keep the session simple unless more is spent. Is it surprising people are being charged extras for stuff with punters paying for it?

[QUOTE=MrHo;1810117]2 hour for 200 euro? For that service level, you got ripped off hardcore mate. , but as it is your first visit, you will get used to the game these girls play to scum money. Normally, if you just go for one hour session of 120, you will be able to get that level of service like DFK, dildo etc. You know normal things you do with GF.

For more hardcore things to your more specific level of little abnormal fetish, one need to pay up a bit.[/QUOTE]Sorry I meant one hour for 200 euro.

[QUOTE=MrHo;1810117]2 hour for 200 euro? For that service level, you got ripped off hardcore mate. ,
[/QUOTE]It was ONE hour, had it been 2 hours it would have been below Artemis pricing. (In the room she suggested a one hour session with extras (DFK and DATY, Dildo-spiele) for 200.) So he paid 80 EUR for DFK and DATY (no extras) and some dildo games.

HB.

[QUOTE=Suppenhuhn;1807455]As far as I know she doesn't work any longer time in Artemis. There was some trouble.[/QUOTE]Oh ok she's been a naughty girl? By coincidence I bumped into her at Paradise Stuttgart this Friday gone, she recognised me, even though never sessioned at Artemis, took her to the room, now calls herself Maria.

[QUOTE=Blasttp;1809534]My friend and I met Daisy, a funny cute German. She went with my friend first and as they finished their session I could see that my friend has lost his soul haha. So I asked daisy to come with me after she finish her shower. And boy she was such a beast. The whole session was fantastic and indeed she sucked the soul out of me too. Couldn't recommend her more!
[/QUOTE]I'll be going to Artemis next week, how does Daisy look like? Small, tall, heavy, skinny, blond? She sounds like a must do hehe!

DFK and DATY are no extras in Artemis. Dildo games maybe yes but 80 € for it would be very high.

Entrance is 80 plus 3 hours in room over a long extended stay around 10 hours. So total 360 plus 80=440. Thank God I don't live in Germany LOL. Oh and don't forget beers or red bulls etc plus maybe you would need a massage or fetish extras with girls. Bring extra just in case but know your limits too that way the evening is more relaxed.

[QUOTE=Peterpack;1809824]Guys,

Typically, how many euros overall do you usually spend each time you visit Artemis, just a rough average for the overall visit?

Thanks[/QUOTE]80 Entrance.

180 euro on average on girls (very much mood dependent).

260 in total on average.

My min has been 140 euro.

My max have been in 600-700 euro area (I had lot of energy that day. And very little when I left Artemis.).

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1810085]
Then a girl approached me and asked if I was interested to go with her. She had a slightly exotic look, so I agreed. Her name was Helen and she was from Columbia.

In the room she suggested a one hour session with extras (DFK and DATY, Dildo-spiele) for 200. Maybe I could talk her down somewhat, but I had a good feeling about her and did not want to spoil it.[/QUOTE]You didn't want to spoil it? She might as well took your locker key and stole your cash, you got mugged, DFK & DATY has never been a extra at any club, even if some sharky girls might try at let you believe it, dildo show could be a extra though.

[QUOTE=StarletVoyager;1810405]Entrance is 80 plus 3 hours in room over a long extended stay around 10 hours. So total 360 plus 80=440. Thank God I don't live in Germany LOL. Oh and don't forget beers or red bulls etc plus maybe you would need a massage or fetish extras with girls. Bring extra just in case but know your limits too that way the evening is more relaxed.[/QUOTE]Me too I spend about 420, but excluding entrance. Some day little less some day little more, plus minus 100 Euro on 420 excluding entrance.

I do not buy into girls ridiculous up sell though. More guys buy into it, more girls who does it.

Was in Berlin on business for a few days earlier this month and managed to check out Artemis on 3 separate occasions. Found the ladies to be just as great as they were back when I first visited in.

June 2014. Maybe a few more sharks on the prowl but overall an excellent and memorable experience. I say memorable overall but can't for the life of me remember any names 100%, I guess I was.

Just too caught up in my good fortune LOL.

Maybe you guys can ID 3 of my faves though.

Taller leggy brunette who hangs out on the couch at the far end of the bar near to the stripper stage / pole. I think she told me she was Moldovan but she could easily be Romanian. Gorgeous facial.

Eyes and facial features, thick brown hair usually tied back off her face in a pony tail. She also wore these lacy socks under her stilettos. Very sexy. Smaller boobs but killer body / ass and nice tan too.

Totally my type. Sessioned her for half an hour and then another hour my second day. Really enjoyed her company to say the least. Enthusiastic BBBJ and a great fuck.

Another memorable experience was a sweet girl from Bulgaria. Shorter, and more petite nice tan, small boobs, really a sweet girl, hair also tied back in a pony tail, really pretty face.

Gave full on GFE in the bedroom. Awesome BJ skills and fucked her silly in all positions until she blew me to finish and swallowed my load like a champ.

Lastly, the one name I do think I remember is Jamie from Germany. She said she lived down south and her family had no idea she was doing this. She also likes to hang on on the couches near the.

Stripper stage. Blonde hair, fairer skin, nice natural tits and a great time in the room for the 2 hours I spent with her.

All in all, I really enjoyed Artemis. Saturday evening turned into a bit of a gong show, busiest time I'd imagine and wait for rooms and too many guys for my liking but still fun. Already looking forward to my next visit in the not too distant future (hopefully).

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Hello guys,

I would like to know what is best time and day to hit Artemis? And is it worth the money? And is all the people there are naked or only the ladies?

Thank you.

Does artemis operate a 21 year minimum age entry for the girls like palace or is it open door to all girls like oase. Arriving Berlin Monday.

[QUOTE=Nono321;1812338]Hello guys,

I would like to know what is best time and day to hit Artemis? And is it worth the money? And is all the people there are naked or only the ladies?

Thank you.[/QUOTE]First of all I would suggest you read the fu***ng forum!! But in my opinion I would suggest you visit Thur.-sat from 16:00.

The ladies are more or less naked unless it's Wednesday because it's known as dessus-day or lingerie-day, all the men are dressed in bathrobes.


13 different posts but only questions not a single contribution, shame on you...

Why would he want to visit Artemis at the weekends? It might be nice if you want to hang out with other guys, but the best girls might be busy most of the night. Sure one or two girls only works during the weekends, but that is out of 200. Most of the girls do take one or two days off between Sunday and Tuesday as well, but it will be less crowded. I like Wednesdays the best myself due to the lingerie. All completely nude gets a bit dull after awhile at these places.

[QUOTE=Pistons;1812464]Why would he want to visit Artemis at the weekends? It might be nice if you want to hang out with other guys, but the best girls might be busy most of the night. Sure one or two girls only works during the weekends, but that is out of 200. Most of the girls do take one or two days off between Sunday and Tuesday as well, but it will be less crowded. I like wednesdays the best myself due to the lingerie. All completely nude gets a bit dull after awhile at these places. .[/QUOTE]Haha, opposite, I hate lingerie night, it is big disappointment when you make girls naked and you end up not liking her nipple or pussy LOL.

[QUOTE=MrHo;1812478]Haha, opposite, I hate lingerie night, it is big disappointment when you make girls naked and you end up not liking her nipple or pussy LOL.[/QUOTE]Haha true. But those girls that look better with lingerie are far in between. I can only think of one girl at Artemis that would disappoint once her lingerie was off. Normally they don't wear that much more on Wednesdays though. But there is something enticing with undressing the girls.

[QUOTE=Pistons;1812719]Haha true. But those girls that look better with lingerie are far in between. I can only think of one girl at artemis that would disappoint once her lingerie was off. Normally they don't wear that much more on wednesdays though. But there is something enticing with undressing the girls :)[/QUOTE]I also do not fancy high heels as it deceive the figure of girls, I prefer them wearing slippers or sneakers, so I can identify her true figure LOL.

I do like the look of high heels, I do not like how it deceive and hide her figure LOL

Well we find the way to find the best!

[QUOTE=Peterpack;1809824]Guys,

Typically, how many euros overall do you usually spend each time you visit Artemis, just a rough average for the overall visit?

Thanks[/QUOTE]Entry €80.

Three 30 minute sessions including CIM €330.

One of the sessions extended to 60 minutes €60.

One of the sessions with anal €100.

That's a typical Artemis visit to me. Damage: €570 and maybe some tip.

I am not a regular and living outside Germany. Managed to squeeze in 8 visits to Artemis and 3 to Livingroom this year.

300 a night is normally my budget. But I have exceeded that or gone lower too.CIM is a waste though. Rather have 4 sessions then, and 1 or 2 times extended time. Getting the 12 for 10 visit card also helps on the price. I dont allways tip, but if I do then just 10e one or two times...

If I stay just for 1 day, I would spend more in average, but if I stay for example for 3 days, I have to take it slower. But time is also money. I can easily do 5 or 6 girls in one night if I haven't fucked for a week, but doing 5-6 girls per day 3 or 4 days in a row can be quite the accomplishment.

[QUOTE=Pistons;1813994]If I stay just for 1 day, I would spend more in average, but if I stay for example for 3 days, I have to take it slower. But time is also money. I can easily do 5 or 6 girls in one night if I haven't fucked for a week, but doing 5-6 girls per day 3 or 4 days in a row can be quite the accomplishment.[/QUOTE]I used to be able to do 5, 6 girls per day (not night), but now as I age. I can do 3 or 4 max. If I force myself to do 5,6 girls, then I will have affect next day in FKK, so I take it easy now.

Your diet and exercise habits can boost it though.

[QUOTE=MrHo;1812478]Haha, opposite, I hate lingerie night, it is big disappointment when you make girls naked and you end up not liking her nipple or pussy LOL.[/QUOTE]You are doing exceptionally well if you are closely inspecting pussy before you decide to take a girl to a room!

[QUOTE=PayForIt;1814467]You are doing exceptionally well if you are closely inspecting pussy before you decide to take a girl to a room![/QUOTE]Yeah I look at them carefully as I can because I am fully aware of lighting magic at main bar LOL I like seeing them at stairs or restaurants where I can see them in better lighting.

Pussy is hard inspection point, but nipples, shape of tits, hair or no hair can be inspected, though I hardly ever seen pussy with any hair in any major FKK LOL.

I am not into Lingerie night man LOL I want to see and inspect before I goto the room, I like sure bet LOL .

However, I have been to room with girl and paid money and cancel right away and girls went crazy on me before few times LOL I paid them for manner as I did say I want to goto room with her, but they still got insulted that I change my mind in the room and got real p'the off LOL.

FKK has different use for different guy, for me it is purely for sex with beautiful girls, so I prefer to see them raw nude naked like when they born.

[QUOTE=Pistons;1814287]Your diet and exercise habits can boost it though.[/QUOTE]To certain extent yes, but me, my problem was over wanking strongly many times every single day for all my life (sometimes like 5 to 7 times in one day.), then I begin to have hard time cumming in / with pussy, so now I only limit my self to wank once a day using masturbation rubber hole and problem is happily fixed! Let see how many time I can do with my next FKK visit.

Be careful how you wank guys, it could be dangerous for monger LOL.

[QUOTE=MrHo;1814613]To certain extent yes, but me, my problem was over wanking strongly many times every single day for all my life (sometimes like 5 to 7 times in one day.), then I begin to have hard time cumming in / with pussy, so now I only limit my self to wank once a day using masturbation rubber hole and problem is happily fixed! Let see how many time I can do with my next FKK visit.

Be careful how you wank guys, it could be dangerous for monger LOL.[/QUOTE]5 to 7 times a day? Your reboot time is very impressive!

[QUOTE=VitoCorleone;1814987]5 to 7 times a day? Your reboot time is very impressive![/QUOTE]I am 35 now and when I was in my 20's, my reboot time was good, but this summer, I begin to have this problem of not able to cum inside girls pussy most of times without help of my own hand. I was deeply threaten. I mean it is like death sentence for pro monger like me right? LOL.

So, I begin to do research and I found out this:

1) Wanking very strongly holding penis. Stimulating it very strongly.

2) Wanking with fast motion. (I used to wank super fast).

3) Wanking on bed with leg straight.

4) Wanking too often. (I used to wank 2 minimum, mostly 3 or 4 times a day, someday up to times for all my life till recent few month).

ALL this above can lead to not able to cum in pussy problem as your penis get too used to all the above stimulation. So you can almost only cum with your hand. , so I begin to treat myself with limiting wanking time, I just do once or maximum two times a day, but I try to limit my self to one time wanking per day.

And now I bought good masturbation rubber hole and I do not use hand to wank. I also stroke slowly to do so.

Now my problem got fixed and I will see how I will perform in 2016 in German FKK I hope I am back with vengeance and able to do 7 girls in one day LOL oh I look back and smile at those time when I was in my late 20's.

So be-careful how you wank guys and enjoy FKK for those who will still go in remaining 2 more weeks of 2015 !

[QUOTE=MrHo;1814520]Yeah I look at them carefully as I can because I am fully aware of lighting magic at main bar LOL I like seeing them at stairs or restaurants where I can see them in better lighting.

Pussy is hard inspection point, but nipples, shape of tits, hair or no hair can be inspected, though I hardly ever seen pussy with any hair in any major FKK LOL.

I am not into Lingerie night man LOL I want to see and inspect before I goto the room, I like sure bet LOL .

However, I have been to room with girl and paid money and cancel right away and girls went crazy on me before few times LOL I paid them for manner as I did say I want to goto room with her, but they still got insulted that I change my mind in the room and got real p'the off LOL.

FKK has different use for different guy, for me it is purely for sex with beautiful girls, so I prefer to see them raw nude naked like when they born.[/QUOTE]LOL, I think It would be fun to hang with you at an FKK. Msg me next time you're going.

[QUOTE=Pistons;1815209]LOL, I think It would be fun to hang with you at an FKK. Msg me next time you're going.[/QUOTE]Yeah man, I am fly in punter though my lust make / force me to fly half the way around the world just for FKK, I cannot take normal beach vacation anymore, only FKK excite me LOL.

We all got to decrease risk of going to room with wrong girls, as when I die one day, I want to close my eyes saying to myself: I only fuck with the best LOL .

How do you find time to wank 5 to 7 times a day, as you say? Just curious. At least those of us living in mega cities with long commutes are out of door early in the morning and not back home till late in the evening. Our private time is limited to a few hours a day at best on week days. Weekends are ok though.

I am assuming you are not doing this wanking under your desk, or in the men's room at work, LOL.

[QUOTE=Jnpr30;1815557]How do you find time to wank 5 to 7 times a day, as you say? Just curious. At least those of us living in mega cities with long commutes are out of door early in the morning and not back home till late in the evening. Our private time is limited to a few hours a day at best on week days. Weekends are ok though.

I am assuming you are not doing this wanking under your desk, or in the men's room at work, LOL.[/QUOTE]Well I am self employed, and my job require me to stay in front of computer from morning at 9 AM till 4 PM, I also spend a lot of time front of computer in my free time too like now it is 5:43 AM here and I just got up I also usually wanked once in early morning as I used to have strong election during early morning, I still do, but it is getting less hard as I entered mid thirties. I am in middle of thinking to how to boost it back to when I was early 20's).

However, for work and also for my free time, I have separate PC for porn due to Virus LOL I mean wrap top nowadays last about 5 years, so it is worth investing money to buy separate PC for internet porn only, so I can click on any site I want LOL .

I take care of my lust very seriously LOL.

In the end, sex, food and sleep is most important three appetites we got, on top of that I use to love traveling discovering new cultures and I traveled extensively, but since I discovered FKK. I only want to make a trip for FKK only discovering sex with girls from new cultures in FKK LOL Seriously man, it is that bad, I even do not want to go on date with normal girls even she is nice and good looking because I begin to calculate what I can do in FKK for the money I spend in normal date with normal girls LOL.

Ah, thanks, and sorry didn't mean to pry. I forgot to realize not every one has my dreary hours and commute, LOL.

Haha. You made my day Mr Ho. If there is a post of distinction, you'd be linked.

[QUOTE=PussyLiccker;1815707]Haha. You made my day Mr Ho. If there is a post of distinction, you'd be linked.[/QUOTE]Important note Mr Pussylicker, if you wank in bed, please stop as it is one of main reason for not able to cum in pussy symptom.

Apparently body get used to this straight leg position and this is not good according to MD. So please be careful wanking in bed or wanking with straight leg.

Yes, it sound all funny, but this is true!

I am one of those Under cover pervert, I actually got good reputation and nobody knows about my pro punter / monger side, I just have "business meetings in Germany" and also I claim I love historical era of 1930's and 40's between Germany and Japan LOL It is kinda business meeting though, I pay 60 euro for 30 min with international suppliers LOL so I am not lying there and history, I do love Berlin LOL .

[QUOTE=Jnpr30;1815675]Ah, thanks, and sorry didn't mean to pry. I forgot to realize not every one has my dreary hours and commute, LOL.[/QUOTE]Well we got same lust management strategy don't we? = German FKK! LOL.

This year is getting close to its end and I decided to pay a visit to Artemis while meeting up with the friend in Berlin. I arrived early in the morning (this was dictated by the flight and the fact that I had to do my business in Artemis before 16:00 due to social obligations).

The line up is not impressive, which is not surprising since the Christmas is coming. Most of the top tier girls are gone (bear in mind that I was there early though. Most girls arrive after 17:00). The temperature in Berlin is 8-9 degrees these days for those of you that are arriving from warmer (or colder climates). Plenty of girls were telling me that they are leaving for vacation from Monday (then again as one girl told me. They always say that to entice you to "get them before they are gone".

Had two forgettable sessions with some Romanian girls I never tried before. Third one was with Cyndy / cynthi (GE) which I had seen before but never tried before. Very talkative and sociable girl once in the room and rather good performance. Not best I have had but certainly I will explore her bit more next time I visit Artemis. Total damage 260 for this visit. I kick myself for wasting time with the two Romanians. Once again my horniness gets better of me.

Mr Ho, so fun to read your comments.

Anyone noticed if there are less girls working now so close to Christmas vacation?

[QUOTE=MrHo;1815746]Apparently body get used to this straight leg position and this is not good according to MD. So please be careful wanking in bed or wanking with straight leg.

Yes, it sound all funny, but this is true!.[/QUOTE]Your reports are very entertaining! "Body gets used to the straight leg position" does sound funny but it just might be true.

[QUOTE=Nr71;1815995]Mr Ho, so fun to read your comments.Anyone noticed if there are less girls working now so close to Christmas vacation?[/QUOTE]Last Friday (Dec 18th) there was a rather full house. The number of girls and their beauty will drop from now on till probably February. As girls like to take long holidays.

Looking in the website there seems to be some new pictures of the girls. I notice there are a couple of pictures of a girl called Chiara. There was a girl at the Artemis a few years ago with that name who was one of my all time favourites. Anyone know if this is the same girl? It's been a few years since I last saw her.

She was German / Polish, really intelligent and very interesting to talk to. Quite short (probably 5 foot with her shoes off), big fake tits, angel wings tattoo'd on her back, 'Lucky You' and some cherries tattoo'd above her pussy. Same girl as the Chiara on the site?

Thanks.

[QUOTE=Galazy2;1816322]Same girl as the Chiara on the site?[/QUOTE]Sorry, not the same girl.

I will be in Berlin for Christmas. But I don't know which day would be best for Artemis: DEC 23 or DEC 26?

I'm thinking about the number / quality of girls.

Does anyone have experience visiting Artemis around Christmas?

Hello gents! The girl Virginia at Artemis website is she normally present? Have anybody of you met her and could give some info of performance, she seems hot!

My last visit to Artemis was in September and I am thinking of going soon again.

So its 4 month since last visit how many new girls you think I will find on Artemis?

I there 1 new girl in Artemis every month och 10?

What you guys think?

Arrived at the place of crime at 14:00. OK number of girls but none that triggered my attention. Had session with girl that was ex-Spanish (stripper with bad English skills (did not understand when I asked her about her name). Usually I don't go for optifuck but this time everything went perfect. She avoided looking in my eyes which I found bit strange though. 1 hour excellent session though. Next girl was Ezra, Turkish girl with big natural breasts. OK 30 min session. Nice girl. I will repeat if no fav girls are available.

Since I think food at Artemis is crap, I went outside to nearby restaurants to get some proper meal. Usually I don't do that but this time I felt I had no option. Opted for some Turkish place called Tugra. There is plenty of cheaper places in area but I felt I needed proper food.

Returned to Artemis hour later and picked up Elana, a young Romanian, with black hair and nice pair of large natural breasts. I had sessioned with her previously but she did not remember me and treated my as newbie with lot of upsell. Bit surprise to me so I think I will avoid her in future. 30 min session which wasn't nothing special.

At this time the club was full of men and men to women ratio was 3 to 1. I usually expect number of girls to increase in the evening but this did not happen. So I had to wait to see if some interesting girls showed up. Meanwhile I had the pleasure of watching two girls giving some pro pole dancing.

Finished with BJ from Spanish girl I started the day with. First I encouraged her to dance for me (got the inspiration from earlier this evening) since junior felt bit overworked. To my surprise she agreed and the junior changed his mind when the girl did her magic.

Left the place at 22:00. I think todays trip was much more beneficial than yesterdays due to me discovering new potential talent (Ezra and Spanish girl).

[QUOTE=VitoCorleone;1816054]Your reports are very entertaining! "Body gets used to the straight leg position" does sound funny but it just might be true.[/QUOTE]I under estimated this issues I found after problem cumming without help of hand came up during sex, I really researched on line and spoke to one MD as well.

As for new girls in Artemis, nobody can say for sure, but there are new girls every month, some are there to stay for while, some just come in for just few days to weeks and never seen again for long time.

Usually, I found these few days stay spot girls tend to be good looking especially in low season (I only went for summer low season, not during Christmas low season), in summer low season, as much as people complained, I had fortunate to encounter beautiful younger girls who are in house just for low season or just few days, as far as looking wise, they were good, as for performance, hmmmm depend, but could negotiate as they seemed to be not pro of pro.

In the end, new girls, LU is really just luck like lotto, some visit you win, some visit you lose.

Though. Artemis should brush up some older regulars who has been there for years. I want to see more younger new talents, I mean Artemis do charge little more than other FKK in Germany, so I want to see some differences in LU.

[QUOTE=MrHo;1816478]In the end, new girls, LU is really just luck like lotto, some visit you win, some visit you lose.

Though. Artemis should brush up some older regulars who has been there for years. I want to see more younger new talents, I mean Artemis do charge little more than other FKK in Germany, so I want to see some differences in LU.[/QUOTE]I think it's just due to supply. It's apparent there are plenty of young Romies(and Bulgarians) looking to work from the fact that the highest percentage of the low 20's girls in clubs are Romies currently. From what I see, there are clubs like Artemis, Palace, and those types of clubs where the older type Central Europeans and Germans work at. Also, Russians at various clubs tend to be on the older side, on the either side of the 30. Younger tend to be around 24, but I find that they are DE nationals typically, so immigrant parents, etc.

The young DE in clubs that I meet are Serbian, Bosnian, Turkish (or half), Mid-Eastern, Moroccans, Poles, Russians, and etc. Cannot be wholely certain if the girl tells you DE that she is indeed a DE from a long lineage.

Based on my visits to various clubs. Young Hungarians I met at Aca, More younger DE to German nationals at GT DE, and random young Russians of DE nationaly there in addition along with the Poles. Sharks has a few. Young DE girls for the most part are rare occurance (for me at least), and the young ones are of the above mentioned nationalities being immigrants at GT for the main part. It makes sense for these immigrants to partake in the industry I think. I see the staff of immigrants also like Poles, Ro, Serbian, ex-WG Poles, etc.

So, one example of a club trying to keep a good variety of girls like GT for example. What ends up happening is the avg age of the girls tend to rise for that reason. That leads into the fact that other nationalities than Ro, Bul, Mold, are older and has been around a bit. So, the younger generation coming to DE from Central Europe seems to be pretty damn rare. Even the young Mid-Eastern girls are immigrants or nationals.

I met more younger DE girls at various spots few years ago, but that seems to have dropped off now. I think also due to the fact that DE has so many number of clubs, and that meets the supply of Ro and Bul girls(and it's apparent very large one at that), but at the same time, the minority nationalities are spead out to various spots with some having more of them over another.

This is just my perspective on things. I can't be at all places. Haha.

[QUOTE=PussyLiccker;1816542]I think it's just due to supply. It's apparent there are plenty of young Romies(and Bulgarians) looking to work from the fact that the highest percentage of the low 20's girls in clubs are Romies currently. From what I see, there are clubs like Artemis, Palace, and those types of clubs where the older type Central Europeans and Germans work at. Also, Russians at various clubs tend to be on the older side, on the either side of the 30. Younger tend to be around 24, but I find that they are DE nationals typically, so immigrant parents, etc.

The young DE in clubs that I meet are Serbian, Bosnian, Turkish (or half), Mid-Eastern, Moroccans, Poles, Russians, and etc. Cannot be wholely certain if the girl tells you DE that she is indeed a DE from a long lineage.

Based on my visits to various clubs. Young Hungarians I met at Aca, More younger DE to German nationals at GT DE, and random young Russians of DE nationaly there in addition along with the Poles. Sharks has a few. Young DE girls for the most part are rare occurance (for me at least), and the young ones are of the above mentioned nationalities being immigrants at GT for the main part. It makes sense for these immigrants to partake in the industry I think..[/QUOTE]Yeah I tend to fancy girls who are western, but my extended taste just simply love beautiful girls, so it also accept exotic lines of girls, so I always find someone to my expectation, but I end up repeating them and I rarely find new comers that is wow.

However, I noticed that once you start hopping few clubs per my Germany FKK tour visit, I get good cocktails of new girls (duh I did not realize this till now LOL.

In my case, instead of thinking about LU, I try my luck, other than that, I mix one or two more clubs upon my visit and I began doing so from this year.

[QUOTE=VaeVictis;1816477]Arrived at the place of crime at 14:00. OK number of girls but none that triggered my attention. Had session with girl that was ex-Spanish (stripper with bad English skills (did not understand when I asked her about her name). Usually I don't go for optifuck but this time everything went perfect. She avoided looking in my eyes which I found bit strange though. 1 hour excellent session though. Next girl was Ezra, Turkish girl with big natural breasts. OK 30 min session. Nice girl. I will repeat if no fav girls are available.

Since I think food at Artemis is crap, I went outside to nearby restaurants to get some proper meal. Usually I don't do that but this time I felt I had no option. Opted for some Turkish place called Tugra. There is plenty of cheaper places in area but I felt I needed proper food.

Returned to Artemis hour later and picked up Elana, a young Romanian, with black hair and nice pair of large natural breasts. I had sessioned with her previously but she did not remember me and treated my as newbie with lot of upsell. Bit surprise to me so I think I will avoid her in future. 30 min session which wasn't nothing special.

At this time the club was full of men and men to women ratio was 3 to 1. I usually expect number of girls to increase in the evening but this did not happen. So I had to wait to see if some interesting girls showed up. Meanwhile I had the pleasure of watching two girls giving some pro pole dancing.

Finished with BJ from Spanish girl I started the day with. First I encouraged her to dance for me (got the inspiration from earlier this evening) since junior felt bit overworked. To my surprise she agreed and the junior changed his mind when the girl did her magic.

Left the place at 22:00. I think todays trip was much more beneficial than yesterdays due to me discovering new potential talent (Ezra and Spanish girl).[/QUOTE]Near by restaurants? You talking toward station way? Or toward Kurfurstendamnstrasse way? If there are restaurants near by I would love to know where because sometimes I go to Berlin Charlotenberg for kebab.

[QUOTE=MrHo;1816580]Near by restaurants? You talking toward station way? Or toward Kurfurstendamnstrasse way? If there are restaurants near by I would love to know where because sometimes I go to Berlin Charlotenberg for kebab.[/QUOTE]Well nearby for me is within 2 km LOL. Right by the Ibis hotel you got one restaurant, I haven't tried. There is also fast food place right at buss station area. Toward Kurfurstendamnstrasse way you got truckload of restaurants and couple of fast food places. This time I budgeted for a proper meal so I went to Tugra as it was recommended by the Turkish Artemis ladies. Bear in mind that that there are far closer eating places. Regardless for 15-20 euro you can eat proper dinner at that place which will fill you up for the rest of the day. There are far cheaper fast food places but I like to be pampered now and then.

To report:

Saw a Bulgarian girl today in Artemis that I first sessioned with couple of months ago. Recent boob job if I am not mistaken (was nice natural before). Her English was not that good but she manged to con way that her name was Ewina / Edwina. With heart of gold but as we all know this kind turns to sharks or dies off rather quickly in FKK business. Unfortunately she was monopolized by one and same guy all day.

Repeated Ezra, which turned out to be a nice session. After that I saw couple of PSE type of girls which I was in mood for but the junior said that it was enough for today. Returned later that day to Artemis in hope of trying out Ewina at least but one of my favs informed me that she was still with the same guy upstairs. I swear some people have no consideration LOL.

On side note. It seems some girls know your session history better than you yourself. When I stated that I have had two sessions last time I was in Artemis, I was promptly corrected that it was indeed three session and the ladies in questions were listed up. I thought until that moment that only punters kept session list and statistics.

Not much of report, but nothing really happened. LU is even smaller with a steady trail of girls leaving Artemis for vacation.

[QUOTE=VaeVictis;1816964]Saw a Bulgarian girl today in Artemis that I first sessioned with couple of months ago. Recent boob job if I am not mistaken (was nice natural before). Her English was not that good but she manged to con way that her name was Ewina / Edwina.[/QUOTE]Some regulars call her Emily. Boobjob done recently, you are not mistaken.

[QUOTE=VaeVictis;1816964]
Repeated Ezra, which turned out to be a nice session.

On side note. It seems some girls know your session history better than you yourself. When I stated that I have had two sessions last time I was in Artemis, I was promptly corrected that it was indeed three session and the ladies in questions were listed up. I thought until that moment that only punters kept session list and statistics.

Not much of report, but nothing really happened. LU is even smaller with a steady trail of girls leaving Artemis for vacation.[/QUOTE]I agree. One of the bright spots on my last visit to Artemis was Ezra, the Turkish girl. I wonder if I go back to session with her again will she remember me? In case you were wondering VaeVictis, I do keep a note of the girls that I had taken to the rooms. Ezra was definitely one of the better girls. Martina (tiny Bulgarian spinner) was really good to me too, however a bit more upsell on the repeat session killed the mood for me. I suppose the lineup will shrink with the girls returning home for the holidays. Perhaps, I will make a return in the new year.

I do hope you can find a decent restaurant in Berlin. The food at Artemis is not that bad, but I can see at times when it does look like a dog's breakfast. Best of luck!

FiddyCent.

[QUOTE=Pharisaer;1817193]Some regulars call her Emily. Boobjob done recently, you are not mistaken.[/QUOTE]Could be her. Straight black hair, under 170 cm in height, doesn't approach customers and tends to sit in the bar all the time. Started working in Artemis 4-6 months ago (depending on which girl you ask).

I realised now that I did not write why I was interested in her:

Despite not being my type of girl (I tend more towards PSE performers in general although I like to experience sweet girls like Ezra now and then) I really enjoyed her in the room when I sessioned with her couple of months ago. Very customer oriented GFE approach which was surprisingly effective on me (someone who isn't very into GFE). I don't do DFK so I don't know if she is "right type" of GFE girl which seem to be in vogue here on this forum. Initial interview and post action talk revealed a nice sweet personality which is rare in Artemis. I really wanted to see if repeat session would be the same.

[QUOTE=VaeVictis;1817343]Could be her. Straight black hair, under 170 cm in height, doesn't approach customers and tends to sit in the bar all the time. Started working in Artemis 4-6 months ago (depending on which girl you ask).[/QUOTE]It's her for sure. AFAIR in Artemis since early or mid-July.

From the outset this trip was to prove one of the most bizarre excursions I have ever had the pleasure of partaking in. My original plan was four long 12 hour visits over the course of the week and to indulge in as many of the minx's that proved to be to my taste. And that was the main issue from the outset there just was no more than around 5 or so girls that I really wanted, and I had to really want them if you understand. After a nice smooth flight in from the UK it was -2 on arrival. I went into auto mode, supplies for the hotel and a shower mouthwash etc after a taxi ride from Schonefeld I was finally at the doors of Artemis around 4 pm eager on the hunt, the anticipation what shape will she take, to be surrounded by naked hotty totty is indeed a pleasure for the priviliged few and I was one of the few. All those nights in clubs back home watching the competing vultures homing in there prey with no luck the loosers they are. I love the fact that competition doesn't exist in the big A.

After the wellness cycle I was finally ready to pick my first cat. Instantly Gabi from Hungary this time with lighter hair became available. I had fucked her last Christmas season 2014 and in my opinion she is in the top 3 for looks in the whole club. She complained that I wanted to make love to her and that that was reserved for boyfriends. She then proceeded to lick my neck and kiss me on the lips. I longed for an hour but she insisted on half hour sex so I pounded into her for ages and she responded with pouty lips and squeals the muscles in her upper legs strong and solid a girl into sports for sure I exploded and that one encounter would have made the whole trip worthwhile. Let the loosers waste their efforts in the wine bars while we know where to go straight for the main course.

After wellness cycles, food and red bull cycles anything to combat the fatigue of the journey as I had been in the airport at 430 am. These cycles take their course as well a 30 minute massage. The massage was not for my benefit by the way but was to improve my condition so that I may be in a better state for the curvy cats. The problem with Artemis was that although the Rumanian girls were hot some of their facial tones just did not arouse that I really want you so deeply syndrome if you understand me. In my visits to the big A I only identified around 5 girls I desperately wanted and it is that longing that for me has to be the goal to aim for in this game. The girls that are so hot in the "real" world that would just take too long to pursue.

I am not a service guy I am not any of that crap I do this because of the 9's and 10's the optiflicks and Gabi was a model and so was German Mariella aged I think 23. She had a musky light tan the cutest of faces the curviest of bodies the most teasful giggle she had an ass out of playboy and she didn't need to approach anyone because the vultures were constantly hovering around her. I pounced and took her for an hour and a half. A 9 with GFE with service orientation a sense of humour a complete delight to be with hence the time extension. The deep throat was exceptional and I ended up paying 50 for CIM which didn't happen so we french kissed instead which apparently was included in the CIM charge. So I got carried away no big deal once in the heat of the moment all notions of giving in to unconventional price requests just went out of the window. To my detriment because the foreplay had lasted so long I blew my my load pretty quick in doggy and the fact that she checked the condomn with her hand didn't help either. Monday finished I was whacked out and slept it out.

Christmas menu apparently was advertised but all I found was salmon although it was nice I had been thinking of goose legs in the taxi on the way up from the hotel. Oh well I suppose you can't win them all. I'll get straight o the point it was German Mariella again musky tanned genuine Germanic type this time for 1 hour. The sex was better this time but not ecstatic I don't why it should have been better oh well goose legs. I did manage to bury my thumb deep in her ass for 50 euros which was very nice. I thought she would do it for free but no business was business. It's really bizarre she got more pleasure out of it than me and yet I was the one paying for it!! I also did CIM this time so all in all another lovely experience.

Having scoured the floor I kept on seeing this tall lovely girl that looked different to the other babes. The problem was she looked cold so I everytime I thought of approaching something told me it was pointless but I tried anyway. Her name was Gela and apparently from a small Russian village. She was tall over 180 I'd say and I'm only 175. The tall girl fantasy was about to come true. Lovely flowing brown hair lovely green bluey eyes a real model from vogue. Is this whole FKK thing real? It's temporary pleasure so it must be real but how can it be if it ends so quickly. When the girls DFK you and they cum on your prompt and actions it must be real but they never go home with you. ?

Gela in the room became very GFE very soft spoken very approachable completely different to the feeling I got of her outside. This was really a kissing GFE vanilla experience with a good doggy finish to 445 am ish. As BillWithers said rainbows in my mind Gela had done that for me, I had struck olympic gold and unlike lovely Mariella this time the doggy style sex was absolutely top notch grade A. I was the king as I sat in my cab heading to the zoo suburb at 530 am for no apparent reason at all other than the fact that I did not want to sit in my hotel by myself.

Following my departure from Artemis on Thursday morning at 5 am I didn't make it back to my hotel till around 4 pm. I met some intellectual local folk in a bar, a champion kick boxer and the good times flowed. I had seen a girl named Justine on the kamilla dee website and she was special au natural to put it nicely. A French girl escorting in Berlin with a real unshaved Bush. I had to get some at any cost. What a novelty that would be a real erotic treat. By the the time I got to Kamilla I was so whacked out and tired I decided to go back to hotel and order a take out escort from kamilla. To my dismay Justine was fully booked this was really one of the great calamities of life I thought. I was keen to try the hotel thing as an alternative to the FKK paradise option. Franziska was available before I knew it she was in my room and apart from her big blue eyes she didn't really do it for me but we had a decent hour nonetheless. I'd had take out at home so I know its hit or miss vs FKK where you the lovely goods in all their glory beforehand. Pizza takeout next and I slept for ages.

I was back in Artemis Saturday and again I could only find three girls in the whole club that I really wanted. A half Ghanian half german beauty whose name I forget, a georgian girl with milky skin and mesmerizing green / bluey eyes and finally the girl I picked a german tanned blue eyed beauty whose name again I forget. I took her for an hour and we partaked in a strange fetish, some may remember from last time and I came in her mouth and her BBBJ was exceptional and for some reason the sex didn't happen. The CIM was excellent though a true german natural tattoed girl I loved it.

I then had the option to hang around and try the georgian girl or as it was my last opportunity to party in Berlin I decided to head to the sky club in alexander platz in the east. The girls I tried were for me 8-10's but only 4-5 girls that I went with and only another 2 out of the all the girls in the club did not seem as great as it should have been. Thinking back to 2009-2011 there seemed to me more moldovan, german, russian, ukranian types in the clubs and in conjunction with this I must have ben less picky as it was all still new to me. Taking into account there are some really hot romanian girls but not always the type that rock my boat, it all kind of makes sense on reflection. I will have to sit down and think about exactly what I want and how I will get that for my next trip. With a sizeable amount of cash left over on landing back home I took a taxi and had a 2 girl naked oil massage in the afternoon then I took a taxi to another town and had another 1 hour massage with 1 girl and after a meal I headed to a lapdancing club still with my luggage and after a dance I finally made it home and thus the hot girl trip was finally over! I do miss my oase though. SV,

[QUOTE=StarletVoyager;1817583]I was the king as I sat in my cab heading to the zoo suburb at 530 am for no apparent reason at all other than the fact that I did not want to sit in my hotel by myself.[/QUOTE]Haha.

[QUOTE=StarletVoyager;1817589]The girls I tried were for me 8-10's but only 4-5 girls that I went with and only another 2 out of the all the girls in the club did not seem as great as it should have been. Thinking back to 2009-2011 there seemed to me more moldovan, german, russian, ukranian types in the clubs and in conjunction with this I must have ben less picky as it was all still new to me. Taking into account there are some really hot romanian girls but not always the type that rock my boat, it all kind of makes sense on reflection. [/QUOTE]The 8-10's! Sounds like you scored well. Haha. Another energy packed report from no other than SV. Yes, times change. Looked to be that way on my sporatic visits.

Long time since my last report here. Just want to write a few lines about my most recent visit. A couple of months ago (sorry for my delay in writing this up) I had the opportunity to visit Artemis two days in a row which was a first for me, previously I have only been able to squeeze in one FKK-night per Berlin trip.

Thursday. Arrived at about nine in the evening and as always I asked in the reception if Fatima and / or Antonia was working (before Nina quit I used to ask about her too). Anyway, the answer was no for both (boo). However, Fatima had been there earlier and had left only an hour ago, which was actually good news since that meant that she was in Berlin and chances were pretty good that I would be able to catch her the next day when I had plans to arrive earlier (hurray)!

A shower and a cup of coffee downstairs and then I went scanning the club for any semi-favorites (Mandy or Leki for example) but no luck. I was a bit disappointed since I like to know that I can have at least one good session with someone known ever if I don't have any luck with finding new talent.

Anyway, after some sauna and making conversation with some of the girls (and politely sending a number of sharks away) I decided to roll the dice and take Sonja to the room. I had kind of decided on her friend Silvia but she was suddenly gone so I thought what the hell, Sonja seems nice too. Small tits and nice slim body just as I like it. However, this was unfortunately a bad choice. Without going into details, let's just say that this girl for several reasons is to be avoided.

After this failure I was annoyed and eager to score an OK session to bring my mood back on track. Ran into a girl with lovely a-cup tits whom I had chatted with earlier, Raisa from Romania, and off we went. This was a really bad choice! She was a disaster in the room; foreplay was all don't do this and don't do that. Her attitude was so off-putting that I even had problems getting my dick up (for the first time in like 20 years), and when I finally managed to get an erection and thought fuck this let's just get it over with, then she suddenly refused to let me use my own condom. Earlier when we entered the room I brought it out, showed it to her and put it on the table beside the bed as I always do, and I got no negative reaction from her then so I was naturally under the impression that she was fine with it (as virtually all girls have been in the past). Now I was pissed off that this suddenly happens 10 minutes into the session. So after arguing about this for a little while I just got up and said alright then the session is over, and started getting my robe on. I always try to be polite to the girls and treat them with respect, but even I have my limits and this in combination with her shitty performance was too much. She said something like "you still have to pay" and I said whatever I'm out of here, but at that point she retreated and my condom was now okay to use. So I fucked her without passion and then on the way to the lockers I was thinking that this was surely my last visit to Artemis. Trying to navigate this minefield of bad performers simply isn't worth the money and the hassle of traveling to Berlin!

An hour or so later I was sitting in the main bar area smoking cigarettes. I had kind of decided that I was finished fucking for tonight and my mood was gloomy. Anyhow, a very small and cute girl was standing a couple of meters from my couch chatting to another lady, and she caught my attention. She had dark hair, small tits (see the pattern here?) Sexy stay-ups in some kind of fluorescent color, and the most mesmerizing small round butt you could ever imagine. She stood there, joking and laughing with her friend and showing off that wonderful ass. I've been successful in the past going for the one ass in the building that it's simply impossible to draw ones eyes from (most notably when I discovered Romanian Antonia) so I thought what the hell let's give it one more go. I approached her and introduced myself. Her name was Alessandra and came from Spain, or so she claimed anyway. We soon headed for one of the downstairs rooms, and finally I struck gold! She was super friendly and didn't try to rush things. Lots of licking that wonderful pussy and tight ass, kissing, slow fucking and then DATY again before switching position, and so on. I really like that, being allowed to switch freely between fucking and eating pussy at will during a session. Many girls seem reluctant to do that, preferring to follow the scripted foreplay-fucking-ejaculation-pay routine. Not Alessandra though, she just went with the flow. Now, her fellatio skills were perhaps not the best in my opinion, but after finding that out I simply avoided putting my dick in her mouth, no big deal when everything else with this super hot girl was so good. Came hard in the end and we just lied there on the bed hugging and panting for a good five minutes. Great session!

Friday. Came to A at half past five and asked about Fatima in the reception as usual. Yes she is here was the answer. At last! After the mandatory shower I found her in the restaurant. She recognized me even though I have not been able to catch her in the past two years or so. Impressive. She was just about to have some food so I arranged to meet her in the downstairs bar half an hour later. Fatima was very sweet as always, and the following session was good. But was she as fantastic as I remembered and imagined she would be after all those Artemis visits when I've been looking for her in vain? No. She didn't seem as relaxed and perceptive as our last two or three encounters. Don't get me wrong here, she is still one of the best, but something was missing. Maybe she was tired, had a bad day, or maybe her years in this profession has simply taken its toll. Who knows.

Later that night when the place was beginning to get really crowded I found Alessandra again. To grab her for a second ride was a no-brainier. After hearing her speak what sounded like perfect Spanish to some other girls while waiting for a room I no longer have cause to doubt that she actually is from Spain. And she was just as good this time around. My god, to just bury your face between the cheeks of that small round butt. Amazing!

So, my faith in Artemis was somewhat restored. I will return. Over and out.

[QUOTE=DrJekyll;1821620]Long time since my last report here. Just want to write a few lines about my most recent visit. A couple of months ago (sorry for my delay in writing this up) I had the opportunity to visit Artemis two days in a row which was a first for me, previously I have only been able to squeeze in one FKK-night per Berlin trip.

Thursday. Arrived at about nine in the evening and as always I asked in the reception if Fatima and / or Antonia was working (before Nina quit I used to ask about her too). Anyway, the answer was no for both (boo). However, Fatima had been there earlier and had left only an hour ago, which was actually good news since that meant that she was in Berlin and chances were pretty good that I would be able to catch her the next day when I had plans to arrive earlier (hurray)!

A shower and a cup of coffee downstairs and then I went scanning the club for any semi-favorites (Mandy or Leki for example) but no luck. I was a bit disappointed since I like to know that I can have at least one good session with someone known ever if I don't have any luck with finding new talent.

Anyway, after some sauna and making conversation with some of the girls (and politely sending a number of sharks away) I decided to roll the dice and take Sonja to the room. I had kind of decided on her friend Silvia but she was suddenly gone so I thought what the hell, Sonja seems nice too. Small tits and nice slim body just as I like it. However, this was unfortunately a bad choice. Without going into details, let's just say that this girl for several reasons is to be avoided.



So, my faith in Artemis was somewhat restored. I will return. Over and out.[/QUOTE]Great report you had me laughing when you meet disaster after disaster, LOL.

Think Silvia wouldve been better at least she doesn't complain too much. Maybe Fatima is not my type as I haven't meet her on my visits.

Yeah Artemis like a sea full of sharks so you have to be careful on yr choices unlike other clubs.

[QUOTE=DrJekyll;1821620].. I fucked her without passion..[/QUOTE]This is just too funny.

[QUOTE=Exodus8;1821837]Great report you had me laughing when you meet disaster after disaster, LOL.

Think Silvia wouldve been better at least she doesn't complain too much. Maybe Fatima is not my type as I haven't meet her on my visits.

Yeah Artemis like a sea full of sharks so you have to be careful on yr choices unlike other clubs.[/QUOTE]True, but some of those you believe are sharks there are not, and some you may believe aren't sharks, can be a shark. So it can be tricky sometimes.

[QUOTE=Pistons;1822217]True, but some of those you believe are sharks there are not, and some you may believe aren't sharks, can be a shark. So it can be tricky sometimes.[/QUOTE]Thats why I use the force to feel who will be GFE 😊 but ofc I still get burnt as I'm not jedi yet, LOL.

[QUOTE=Exodus8;1822243]Thats why I use the force to feel who will be GFE  but ofc I still get burnt as I'm not jedi yet, LOL.[/QUOTE]That may just be because you only try to copy the old jedi's. You should aim to be an original jedi in order to succeed, and not just look at the past. Write you own story and the force will be with you. (P.S.: I hated the new movie).

[QUOTE=Pistons;1822266]I hated the new movie.[/QUOTE] ... because the force is with the girl?

- who can feel whom she can successfully shark, while making him think that he is getting GFE from her?

When I'm at Artemis I suddenly feel weak like there's kryptonite around. Makes it a challenge to find Louis.

11/1, than I will visit. Nobody visit same date?

[QUOTE=TankTank123;1822273]... because the force is with the girl?

- who can feel whom she can successfully shark, while making him think that he is getting GFE from her?[/QUOTE]Yes, there was absolutely no spark between her and that trooper either. SO DULL!

[QUOTE=DrJekyll;1821620]Anyway, after some sauna and making conversation with some of the girls (and politely sending a number of sharks away) I decided to roll the dice and take Sonja to the room. I had kind of decided on her friend Silvia but she was suddenly gone so I thought what the hell, Sonja seems nice too. Small tits and nice slim body just as I like it. However, this was unfortunately a bad choice. Without going into details, let's just say that this girl for several reasons is to be avoided.[/QUOTE]What's up with Sonja? You went into detail with your other sessions, but not her.

[QUOTE=Willyboy;1822317]11/1, than I will visit. Nobody visit same date?[/QUOTE]I will visit January 10 & 12.

I have very fond memories of Artemis from my various visits, but reading about three weeks worth of posts here doesn't really entice me. Is Artemis becoming palace like?

Only part of Artemis is. But seeing that there are twice as many girls here as at Palace, the other half is fine. Lets hope the bad girls don't get too much influence.

I am wondering some Artemis girls take shower after each session.

When I visited last time, I spotted one decent looking girl but taken by other customer. Then, I noticed her at the bar after 20 minutes or so. Although I was a bit puzzled, I was about to approach her. Then, she was quickly taken again. Disappointed and bored, I started my stopwatch. Surprisingly, after 17 minutes to be exact, she was back again at the bar. I decided to pass the girl. I spotted another girl, but she too came back to the bar after 17-18 minutes mark.

Both girls were wearing sort of complicated costumes on their arms and legs. I could not imagine how they can finish the sessions, clean up, and put back their things within such short period. It could be just isolated cases, but I was not quite comfortable to see what happening. I've never had the concern in other clubs. In other clubs, if the target was taken, I had to expect waiting at least 40 min or more.

BTW, it was a huge sausage party when I visited there last month. I think it got much worse after I left. When I was leaving around 9 pm, I saw a huge line up at the entrance.

[QUOTE=Agreojem;1823949]

BTW, it was a huge sausage party when I visited there last month. I think it got much worse after I left. When I was leaving around 9 pm, I saw a huge line up at the entrance.[/QUOTE]Haha you got me laughing here. It seems there were a lot of hungry men at that time. I think Artemis, like many other clubs, has its rush hours and dead hours. High seasons and low seasons. Probably you came in during a weekend or a holiday? The trick is to know when are the crowded days and periods and try to avoid them. I often been to Artemis when there were very few men around and the girls were bored. So it all depends. Ideally make sure you come during the early afternoon hours.

Also, don't forget that it is a wellness place. When its overcrowded in the bar, try enjoying the jacuzzi, sauna and pools. For a break at least.

Thinking of planning a trip when it warms up. What is the atmosphere like generally in the summer? More punters? More women? I visited in October and obviously the weather is not conducive to utilizing the outdoor areas. Do the women swim and lay by the pool naked? The indoor pool area only has punters. Is the outdoor pool different in this way? It'd be nice to know the atmosphere, with the warmth would improve moods at the club.

[QUOTE=MaxSquatter;1825736]Thinking of planning a trip when it warms up. What is the atmosphere like generally in the summer? More punters? More women? I visited in October and obviously the weather is not conducive to utilizing the outdoor areas. Do the women swim and lay by the pool naked? The indoor pool area only has punters. Is the outdoor pool different in this way? It'd be nice to know the atmosphere, with the warmth would improve moods at the club.[/QUOTE]I've been in summer but only during evenings so not the right time for a sunbath but the outside area is a good place mainly for having a break for relaxing or for a meal since for 2 days at week, Wednesday and Sunday if I recall correctly if weather is not bad, they having a barbecue and that's generally it's more appreciated also by the girls to the usual food you may have inside.

For swimming I've only seen punters using the pool in the evening since the real action is still on the main bar.

[QUOTE=MaxSquatter;1825736]Thinking of planning a trip when it warms up. What is the atmosphere like generally in the summer? More punters? More women? I visited in October and obviously the weather is not conducive to utilizing the outdoor areas. Do the women swim and lay by the pool naked? The indoor pool area only has punters. Is the outdoor pool different in this way? It'd be nice to know the atmosphere, with the warmth would improve moods at the club.[/QUOTE]Not as much as girls do in FKK sharks in summer. But I have seen girls taking sun at Artemis, but swim. I never seen in Artemis, mostly male clients swim.

As far as I know girls are allowed to swim and lounge by the pool at Artemis, I think they do not do that because of hair and make up.

[QUOTE=Agreojem;1823949]I am wondering some Artemis girls take shower after each session.

When I visited last time, I spotted one decent looking girl but taken by other customer. Then, I noticed her at the bar after 20 minutes or so. Although I was a bit puzzled, I was about to approach her. Then, she was quickly taken again. Disappointed and bored, I started my stopwatch. Surprisingly, after 17 minutes to be exact, she was back again at the bar. I decided to pass the girl. I spotted another girl, but she too came back to the bar after 17-18 minutes mark.

Both girls were wearing sort of complicated costumes on their arms and legs. I could not imagine how they can finish the sessions, clean up, and put back their things within such short period. It could be just isolated cases, but I was not quite comfortable to see what happening. I've never had the concern in other clubs. In other clubs, if the target was taken, I had to expect waiting at least 40 min or more.

BTW, it was a huge sausage party when I visited there last month. I think it got much worse after I left. When I was leaving around 9 pm, I saw a huge line up at the entrance.[/QUOTE]You should see Sunny at Oase. That girl can turn around a room in 10 minutes and be back on the floor without even a shower!

I'll be in Berlin in February and definitely visiting Artemis (my first time). Are Saturday and Sunday good days for the lineup and the crowd (hopefully not too crowded)?

Are there any comparable places in Berlin (FKK or Pausha)?

What's the current average quality of girls in Artemis? (I was in Frankfurt recently and really disappointed by Oase. Nice girls but too pushy for extras. But very pleased at Sharks!

Thanks!

Hi guys,

Have booked my plane and hotel (Ku' Damm 101 (believe it is not far from A).

To arrive about 5.30 pm the 18th Jan for one day only. I will report back in how it goes.

One question I have is about changing money, in my case from GBP to EUR. In the UK card withdrawal limits are awful and as my bank account is somewhat new I can only withdraw the equiv. Of GBP 300 in one day. Changing cash from GBP to EUR in the Uk (at a bank or any high street store at least) is an awful option. Of all the countries I have been in the UK has the worst exchange rates and I would lose 10% from market price of I did it here.

I am not sure I have much option than to change GBP to cash at the airport in Berlin (SFX) as I am presuming GBP is not taken or exchanged in Artemis (and my only use there is getting about E 400 out with my card.

Does anyone have any suggestions or advice based on dealing with such situations before?

Cheers.

I have read comments on a couple of other sites that you are restricted to a maximum of 3 alcoholic drinks in Artemis. Can people please confirm (I am hoping anyway) that this is BS?

Cheers.

[QUOTE=Mqmb17;1826252]I have read comments on a couple of other sites that you are restricted to a maximum of 3 alcoholic drinks in Artemis. Can people please confirm (I am hoping anyway) that this is BS?

Cheers.[/QUOTE]After finally getting through on the phone to Artemis (after many, many attempts) I can answer my own question and confirm this stuff that is written on numerous other pages about 3 alcoholic drinks being the maximum someone can have in club, is BS.

[QUOTE=Mqmb17;1826248]Does anyone have any suggestions or advice based on dealing with such situations before?[/QUOTE]If you do end up withdrawing cash from an ATM, then look for a Volksbank ATM as you can select the denomination of notes dispensed. (For Artemis in addition to fifty euro notes some ten euro notes are handy).

[QUOTE=Mqmb17;1826445]After finally getting through on the phone to Artemis (after many, many attempts) I can answer my own question and confirm this stuff that is written on numerous other pages about 3 alcoholic drinks being the maximum someone can have in club, is BS.[/QUOTE]Hardly surprising, given that a drink is EUR10!

[QUOTE=Martin00;1825954]I'll be in Berlin in February and definitely visiting Artemis (my first time). Are Saturday and Sunday good days for the lineup and the crowd (hopefully not too crowded)?

Are there any comparable places in Berlin (FKK or Pausha)?

What's the current average quality of girls in Artemis? (I was in Frankfurt recently and really disappointed by Oase. Nice girls but too pushy for extras. But very pleased at Sharks!

Thanks![/QUOTE]Saturday is a fairly busy day, especially in the evening, and you will get the best choice of girls, although the good ones may be hard to find. Sunday is quiet and less girls will be there, although the ones who do turn up are often more relaxed.

No comparable places in Berlin.

If you liked the Sharks girls but not the Oase ones then I think you might be a bit disappointed at Artemis. There used to be more of the amateur type who you can still find at Sharks but in the past couple of years they seem to have generally disappeared and most girls are harder nosed professionals.

[QUOTE=Mqmb17;1826248]Hi guys,

Have booked my plane and hotel (Ku' Damm 101 (believe it is not far from A).

To arrive about 5.30 pm the 18th Jan for one day only. I will report back in how it goes.

One question I have is about changing money, in my case from GBP to EUR. In the UK card withdrawal limits are awful and as my bank account is somewhat new I can only withdraw the equiv. Of GBP 300 in one day. Changing cash from GBP to EUR in the Uk (at a bank or any high street store at least) is an awful option. Of all the countries I have been in the UK has the worst exchange rates and I would lose 10% from market price of I did it here.

I am not sure I have much option than to change GBP to cash at the airport in Berlin (SFX) as I am presuming GBP is not taken or exchanged in Artemis (and my only use there is getting about E 400 out with my card.

Does anyone have any suggestions or advice based on dealing with such situations before?

Cheers.[/QUOTE]You make us Brits look like a right load of bananas with this rubbish. How your logic leads you to not change your cash in the UK but change it at an airport, where everyone is really fleeced, is beyond me. Change some cash before you leave the UK or restrict yourself to 400 euros worth of girl (s) at Artemis (after your entrance fee you will still get two and a half hours worth, if you don't have expensive extras).

[QUOTE=LondonTraveller;1826561]Saturday is a fairly busy day, especially in the evening, and you will get the best choice of girls, although the good ones may be hard to find. Sunday is quiet and less girls will be there, although the ones who do turn up are often more relaxed.

No comparable places in Berlin.

If you liked the Sharks girls but not the Oase ones then I think you might be a bit disappointed at Artemis. There used to be more of the amateur type who you can still find at Sharks but in the past couple of years they seem to have generally disappeared and most girls are harder nosed professionals.[/QUOTE]With silicons and tattoos and some surgeries on face that are obvious. Pro hooker looks.

[QUOTE=Mqmb17;1826248]Hi guys,

Have booked my plane and hotel (Ku' Damm 101 (believe it is not far from A).

To arrive about 5.30 pm the 18th Jan for one day only. I will report back in how it goes.

One question I have is about changing money, in my case from GBP to EUR. In the UK card withdrawal limits are awful and as my bank account is somewhat new I can only withdraw the equiv. Of GBP 300 in one day. Changing cash from GBP to EUR in the Uk (at a bank or any high street store at least) is an awful option. Of all the countries I have been in the UK has the worst exchange rates and I would lose 10% from market price of I did it here.

I am not sure I have much option than to change GBP to cash at the airport in Berlin (SFX) as I am presuming GBP is not taken or exchanged in Artemis (and my only use there is getting about E 400 out with my card.

Does anyone have any suggestions or advice based on dealing with such situations before?

Cheers.[/QUOTE]You've left it a bit left to organise an alternative.

1) Are you definitely sure your card only has a 300 quid limit when abroad? A lot of cards have 300 at home but 500 equiv out of the country.

2) I've never been to Artemis but I'm pretty sure they will have an ATM there (maybe one of the Berlin boys can confirm). Pull your daily max from the ATM at the airport / before you get the Artemis, then wait until after 01:00 and pull another daily max. I bet the Artemis ATM will have a pretty steep fee though.

3) It will be cheaper to change your money in a UK bank than at the bloody airport.

If you had more time you could have opened a 2nd bank account and used 2 cards to double your daily limit but unless your bank can supply you a new card in branch it's too late for that.

I was staying in very good hotel. Walking distance from Artemis. Name. Novum hotel Kronprinz (4 star) . Paying 70 euro for 2 night without breakfast. It was Low period for hotel staying.

Or try here;.

[URL]http://travelmoney.moneysavingexpert.com/[/URL]

Order in advance and collect at the airport. The rate is a lot better than just buying at the airport.

[QUOTE=Ableyone;1826465]If you do end up withdrawing cash from an ATM, then look for a Volksbank ATM as you can select the denomination of notes dispensed. (For Artemis in addition to fifty euro notes some ten euro notes are handy).[/QUOTE]That's good to know. After all this time, I finally ran into an ATM that give separate bills(can't recall which it was). I've mainly used DB at the airports due to convenience, and some of them spits out hundreds. Any others besides Volksbank?

Not the first time I've heard about ATM limit for guys in Europe. In the US, you tell the bank a permanent limit or let them know that you will be traveling out of the country, and the duration. Once you notify this, their system will not flag large withdrawals. Nothing like this your countries? Is European ATM cards, credit cards? It's not Debit? I use debit card to withdrawal cash from my account through ATM. Credit card is something different altogether.

[QUOTE=CitizenKane;1826718]You've left it a bit left to organise an alternative.

1) Are you definitely sure your card only has a 300 quid limit when abroad? A lot of cards have 300 at home but 500 equiv out of the country.

2) I've never been to Artemis but I'm pretty sure they will have an ATM there (maybe one of the Berlin boys can confirm). Pull your daily max from the ATM at the airport / before you get the Artemis, then wait until after 01:00 and pull another daily max. I bet the Artemis ATM will have a pretty steep fee though.

3) It will be cheaper to change your money in a UK bank than at the bloody airport.

If you had more time you could have opened a 2nd bank account and used 2 cards to double your daily limit but unless your bank can supply you a new card in branch it's too late for that.[/QUOTE]1) Never use the airport ATM's, they charge extra.

2) Allways use the ATM's at real bank outlets! (I prefer Commerzbank, but perhaps Deutche Bank or others are cheaper, I don't know. Sparkasse is ok too, but was more expensive than commerz last I checked).

3) Never use the FKK ATM's or take out money from the counter. That is the most expensive.

4) Never use the ATM's on street called Travelex, Euronet, Moneybox, Cardpoint, and Cashzone etc etc.

[QUOTE=Pistons;1826852]
3) Never use the FKK ATM's or take out money from the counter. That is the most expensive.

[/QUOTE]ATM at Sharks, World and Mainhattan charge normal rates.

HB.

[QUOTE=Pistons;1826852]1) Never use the airport ATM's, they charge extra.

2) Allways use the ATM's at real bank outlets! (I prefer Commerzbank, but perhaps Deutche Bank or others are cheaper, I don't know. Sparkasse is ok too, but was more expensive than commerz last I checked).

3) Never use the FKK ATM's or take out money from the counter. That is the most expensive.

4) Never use the ATM's on street called Travelex, Euronet, Moneybox, Cardpoint, and Cashzone etc etc.[/QUOTE]Pistons,

1) I've used Deutsche bank, ING, Sparkasse at airports and have always have received the VISA / Mastercard daily rate. Can you elaborate on 'extra charge'?

3) I know FKK ATM's are expensive hence the "steep fee" comment, but the poster I was responding too is operating under special circumstances I. E. 1 day visit, daily card limit being too small.

4) Agreed. Daylight robbery.

[QUOTE=HessenBub;1826881]ATM at Sharks, World and Mainhattan charge normal rates.

HB.[/QUOTE]Define 'normal rates'?

I am quite sure they are the type of Euronet, Travelex etc right? As in 3%ish extra.

Not as bad as the Artemis type (10% extra), but still bad.

[QUOTE=HessenBub;1826881]ATM at Sharks, World and Mainhattan charge normal rates.

HB.[/QUOTE]The one at Sharks charges 8 euros I think I was told.

Is that normal?

[QUOTE=CitizenKane;1826889]Pistons,

1) I've used Deutsche bank, ING, Sparkasse at airports and have always have received the VISA / Mastercard daily rate. Can you elaborate on 'extra charge'?

3) I know FKK ATM's are expensive hence the "steep fee" comment, but the poster I was responding too is operating under special circumstances I. E. 1 day visit, daily card limit being too small.

4) Agreed. Daylight robbery.[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.ricksteves.com/travel-tips/money/cash-machine-atm-tips[/URL]

Lots of good info there.

For example:

Most bank ATMs in Europe don’t charge a usage fee, but stay away from “independent” ATMs, which have high fees and may try to trick users with “dynamic currency conversion.” These ATMs (labeled with names such as Travelex, Euronet, Moneybox, Cardpoint, and Cashzone) are often found next to bank ATMs in the hope that travelers will be too confused to notice the difference.

[QUOTE=Pistons;1826893]Most bank ATMs in Europe dont charge a usage fee, but stay away from independent ATMs, which have high fees and may try to trick users with dynamic currency conversion. These ATMs (labeled with names such as Travelex, Euronet, Moneybox, Cardpoint, and Cashzone) are often found next to bank ATMs in the hope that travelers will be too confused to notice the difference.[/QUOTE]Add to that list the Reisebank ATMs that have also started to offer a dynamic currency conversion service.

In addition almost every hotel now initially tries to charge me in my local currency and not the one I expect to pay in Germany (i.e. Euros).

[QUOTE=Pistons;1826891]Define 'normal rates'?

I am quite sure they are the type of Euronet, Travelex etc right? As in 3%ish extra.

Not as bad as the Artemis type (10% extra), but still bad.[/QUOTE]Depends on the card and bank. FKKW I don't pay any charges. I think at Sharks and Mainhattan I paid like 3 or 5 EUR, using a Maestro Card, no matter which amount.

HB.

Could the convo about ATMs move to another thread and we could get back to discussing Artemis? I have a trip to Berlin lined up for May and would like to know who the hot girls are now that all my favourites (Fatima, Pauline etc.) have gone.

[QUOTE=CitizenKane;1826892]The one at Sharks charges 8 euros I think I was told.

Is that normal?[/QUOTE]I was told this by the front desk, fixed fee no matter how much draw out. So then onwards I assumed the club ATMs charges fees, flat or not.

[QUOTE=PussyLiccker;1826955]I was told this by the front desk, fixed fee no matter how much draw out. So then onwards I assumed the club ATMs charges fees, flat or not.[/QUOTE]Well. Banks know that the ATM in FKK is at its highest demand LOL .

Every time I use ATM in FKK, I am in my desperate need to withdraw cash, so that I can hump more or just saw the girl I want walking into main bar LOL.

Hi everyone,

The basic rate (60 euros still? Covers BBBJ and sex with a condom for 30 minutes.

First question is.

Can you cum twice with the one girl within that 30 minutes? Or is that frowned upon? She might do it for 30 euros extra?

Second question is about the extras.

Aside from CIM and anal, what other extras are typical?

Thanks!

[QUOTE=Peterpack;1828624]Can you cum twice with the one girl within that 30 minutes?[/QUOTE]Usually you're allowed to cum once in 30 minutes.

[QUOTE=Peterpack;1828624]She might do it for 30 euros extra?[/QUOTE]I don't think so, but it's worth a try. You may cum more than once during a session lasting more than 30 minutes.

[QUOTE=Peterpack;1828624]Aside from CIM and anal, what other extras are typical?[/QUOTE]The most important rule: Do not pay for DFK. In no case. The girl may charge you for COF or COB, it depends.

[QUOTE=LondonTraveller;1826936]Could the convo about ATMs move to another thread and we could get back to discussing Artemis? I have a trip to Berlin lined up for May and would like to know who the hot girls are now that all my favourites (Fatima, Pauline etc.) have gone.[/QUOTE]Has Fatima left Artemis? I have not visited for a year, but have recently booked a flight in the hope of meeting her one more time.

[QUOTE=Frozty;1828704]Has Fatima left Artemis?[/QUOTE]No. Ten characters needed.

[QUOTE=Pharisaer;1828707]No. Ten characters needed.[/QUOTE]Cool. Thanks!

[QUOTE=LondonTraveller;1826936]Could the convo about ATMs move to another thread and we could get back to discussing Artemis? I have a trip to Berlin lined up for May and would like to know who the hot girls are now that all my favourites (Fatima, Pauline etc.) have gone.[/QUOTE]Planning a 2 day visit to Artemis early next week. Was there early December and had a quick chat with interesting Hungarian Geraldine who was already booked so couldn't do her. Looked really nice, tall & slim but seemed a bit reserved, is she any good services wise? CIM, anal, DFK? Said she would be back in January, is she around? Went with Romanian Antonia last time, great service, is she around too?

[QUOTE=Mqmb17;1826248]Hi guys,

Have booked my plane and hotel (Ku' Damm 101 (believe it is not far from A).

To arrive about 5.30 pm the 18th Jan for one day only. I will report back in how it goes.

One question I have is about changing money, in my case from GBP to EUR. In the UK card withdrawal limits are awful and as my bank account is somewhat new I can only withdraw the equiv. Of GBP 300 in one day. Changing cash from GBP to EUR in the Uk (at a bank or any high street store at least) is an awful option. Of all the countries I have been in the UK has the worst exchange rates and I would lose 10% from market price of I did it here.

I am not sure I have much option than to change GBP to cash at the airport in Berlin (SFX) as I am presuming GBP is not taken or exchanged in Artemis (and my only use there is getting about E 400 out with my card.

Does anyone have any suggestions or advice based on dealing with such situations before?

Cheers.[/QUOTE]So how did you get on in Artemis? Did you manage to get some Euros? Airport exchanges are run by Dick Turpin, and will rob you, and ATM's will charge you if using foreign cards, I have seen ATM's in UK airports dispensing Euros, no idea if there is a charge or not, you should order Euros before travel, or do as I do, and use a pre paid currency card like [URL]https://www.fairfx.com/[/URL] they give a good exchange rate, can withdraw large amounts at ATM, and small fee of €1. 50.

It sounds like the UK folks have to resort to physically exchanging funds? It doesn't sound all convenient. At the land of no p6, at least we got banks offering either low foreign transaction percentage. I recall Bank of America was in an agreement with DB, and the foreign transaction fee was low as 1%, but went up, and found another from Charles Scwab thanks for a knowledgable member here. Charles Scwab debit card has no fees AFAIK except of course whatever fees the club ATM charges I presume.

If I'm drawing out 300, that's 3 Euros paid for the 1% foreign transaction fee from the card alone(not counting the club ATM charges), but also if Sharks is fixed to 8 Euros, it's just makes sense to draw out as much as you need for the tour right then. Paradise while back, they had a private ATM that charged 10%, that's 30 Euros for 300 Withdrawn. Even Sharks one if you draw out 80,10%, and even high as you draw out lower funds. Also, there is some foreign transaction fee attached to it in addition. When you use credit card to withdraw at Oase for example, it's high rate, but forget what it was.

Like MrHo says, you got to make a determination if 8 Euros at Sharks is worth it if you got a big boner in urgent need of Euros to session with that girl right away. You got go to the lock room, get changed, head out, find an ATM, and come back. I'd rather drive out at Oase to a nearby Sparkasse ATM, and come back in 15 min, and I'm good to go.

Debit card is convenient, you draw out as much as you need. I guess cash exchange works well if the rate is what it should be or very close.

[QUOTE=PussyLiccker;1829400]
Charles Scwab debit card has no fees AFAIK except of course whatever fees the club ATM charges I presume.
[/QUOTE]No ATM fees either. They refund any ATM fees charged by foreign ATMs.

[QUOTE=PussyLiccker;1829400]It sounds like the UK folks have to resort to physically exchanging funds?[/QUOTE]This is not the case.

Did I hear or read that Fatima is gone?

[QUOTE=Katinka;1829709]Did I hear or read that Fatima is gone?[/QUOTE]See below (about eight posts down).

[QUOTE=Azymuth;1829015]Planning a 2 day visit to Artemis early next week. Was there early December and had a quick chat with interesting Hungarian Geraldine who was already booked so couldn't do her. Looked really nice, tall & slim but seemed a bit reserved, is she any good services wise? CIM, anal, DFK? Said she would be back in January, is she around?[/QUOTE]"Meet" her last spring and she didn't seem to me reserved, she was very talkative and with good manners, I had some light kisses and CIM, overall good performance.

I prefer to change the cash and take it with me from the UK as I normally get a corporate rate and it's easier as FKK clubs transact business in cash as oppose to debit card transaction. Also I usually pay for train tickets and hotels by card some times as I noticed that you get charged the daily rate by the banks for any transactions or payments made in the EU zone. Recently I used my debit card via Sharks ATM, I took out €200 upon checking my statement the FX rate was the daily rate which was higher than the high street but there was a transaction fee of £4.58 and non-sterling fee for ATM at £1.50 so total damage for using the ATM was £6.08 = €8.04.

In all cheaper to get a Euro cash card or carry cash. Also its best to buy your Euro from a specific location that has a buy back guarantee so you don't loss cash when you don't spend it all on your trip.

[QUOTE=PussyLiccker;1829400]It sounds like the UK folks have to resort to physically exchanging funds? It doesn't sound all convenient. At the land of no p6, at least we got banks offering either low foreign transaction percentage. I recall Bank of America was in an agreement with DB, and the foreign transaction fee was low as 1%, but went up, and found another from Charles Scwab thanks for a knowledgable member here. Charles Scwab debit card has no fees AFAIK except of course whatever fees the club ATM charges I presume.

If I'm drawing out 300, that's 3 Euros paid for the 1% foreign transaction fee from the card alone(not counting the club ATM charges), but also if Sharks is fixed to 8 Euros, it's just makes sense to draw out as much as you need for the tour right then..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=FMoreau;1829757]"Meet" her last spring and she didn't seem to me reserved, she was very talkative and with good manners, I had some light kisses and CIM, overall good performance.[/QUOTE]Good to hear. She's definitely on my to do list. Liked her looks and manners, cooler than the standard Ro there. Hope she's there this week.

[QUOTE=Azymuth;1829812]Good to hear. She's definitely on my to do list. Liked her looks and manners, cooler than the standard Ro there. Hope she's there this week.[/QUOTE]Can we get back to talking about where you get your euros and not how spend them.

OK, that was not called for, but why does Artemis get the money and exchange discussion more than other FKK.

[QUOTE=FloridaSun;1830081]Can we get back to talking about where you get your euros and not how spend them.

OK, that was not called for, but why does Artemis get the money and exchange discussion more than other FKK.[/QUOTE]You're right. We definitely need to get this forum back on track to it's primary objective; the discussion and exchange of information by men regarding rental cars.

Artemis is my only FKK experience. It was quite enjoyable but I have nothing like it to compare it to. How about some of you who have been to others rate Artemis against other FKK's. One thing I notice is a large amount of silicone and a fast, big city hustle vibe at Artemis. I am looking at sharks FKK site and there doesn't seem to be as much of all that. I tend to like less silicone and a more relaxed atmosphere. Though there is a lot to select from at Artemis. I'd like to know where is the most relaxed non silicone places you've been to. And where do you rate Artemis overall and in this rating specifically. This has to be a more inviting topic to discuss than ATM machines.

[QUOTE=MaxSquatter;1830218]Artemis is my only FKK experience. It was quite enjoyable but I have nothing like it to compare it to. How about some of you who have been to others rate Artemis against other FKK's. One thing I notice is a large amount of silicone and a fast, big city hustle vibe at Artemis. I am looking at sharks FKK site and there doesn't seem to be as much of all that. I tend to like less silicone and a more relaxed atmosphere. Though there is a lot to select from at Artemis. I'd like to know where is the most relaxed non silicone places you've been to. And where do you rate Artemis overall and in this rating specifically. This has to be a more inviting topic to discuss than ATM machines.[/QUOTE]Haha you are just like me. I was based in Artemis for years and since last year I began moving around to another cities in Germany and I also gave a day try to globe Zurich.

All in all, Artemis LU changed a bit. It still is diverse LU that contain many different types of girl, but non silicone teeny type young rather new to industry type has almost disappeared and current Lu at Artemis has strong tenancy on silicone, tattooed up professional looking girls.

In Hessen, Palace is like that filled with working girl looking girl and is with sharky upsell, but if you know how to manage that and trained in Artemis, it can be handled, but LU maybe quite disappointment as it is club for pro looking girls and mainly targeting tourist and this is so even more than Artemis. Also club has no out door area to even breathe air, so hard to stay whole day. I kinda liked Oase, but I had mixed experience of both good and bad session that it is hard to judge, but in summer it is good club to visit with large outdoor area.

Now sharks. When I was there, I did not like LU as I saw no stunners, but as I wrote before, recently I began looking back about FKK sharks, and it is true to point out that LU is younger, less tattoo, and much less silicone and I did 3 sessions there and service level was good and all girls were still natural not just in appearance, but they do not behave like pro prostitute. You know it felt like sleeping around with some girl you got along kinda feeling but you pay But again I did not see stunners, but cute young girls kinda club, so I decided to give another go to fulfill that part of my demand for cute girls and not stunners.

Globe was bit over hyped, there are some standard it seemed and service is as they say, but it is not like they are all stunners, and some are good, some are not even good. But there seems to be some kind of standard there, but it is not worth flying over from Germany as these level of girls can be found in Artemis.

[QUOTE=MrHo;1830288]Haha you are just like me. I was based in Artemis for years and since last year I began moving around to another cities in Germany and I also gave a day try to globe Zurich.

All in all, Artemis LU changed a bit. It still is diverse LU that contain many different types of girl, but non silicone teeny type young rather new to industry type has almost disappeared and current Lu at Artemis has strong tenancy on silicone, tattooed up professional looking girls.[/QUOTE]Would you say that Artemis should be sampled at least once. I will be visiting Sharks for two days upon my arrival to Frankfurt then I wanted to venture out since my last three FKK trips have been around Frankfurt. I settled on Artemis since it is the main attraction in Berlin and an important club that should be experienced at least once. My second option was to try NRW, but opted to postpone that for longer trip later in the year.

From what I gathered, if you can handle sharking, you will get good service at Artemis both from the club facilities and the girls. The veteran LU might translate to a better service if you go byond the standard 30 minutes and experience extras.

Would you agree with this assessment, or should I rethink my plans.

[QUOTE=FloridaSun;1830664]Would you say that Artemis should be sampled at least once. I will be visiting Sharks for two days upon my arrival to Frankfurt then I wanted to venture out since my last three FKK trips have been around Frankfurt. I settled on Artemis since it is the main attraction in Berlin and an important club that should be experienced at least once. My second option was to try NRW, but opted to postpone that for longer trip later in the year.

From what I gathered, if you can handle sharking, you will get good service at Artemis both from the club facilities and the girls. The veteran LU might translate to a better service if you go byond the standard 30 minutes and experience extras.

Would you agree with this assessment, or should I rethink my plans.[/QUOTE]Well Artemis sharking is not as bad as Palace, but facility is best at Artemis to my taste especially in summer.

LU is older at Artemis than sharks and girls are more pro looking and pro attitude in general than sharks, but it is not bad as palace when it comes to that.

But difference is that, in Berlin it is only Artemis, so if you do not like it, you are stuck. Where as in Hessen it is easy to get to sharks, Oase or palace.

My opinion.

But Artemis LU declined a lot and they need to refresh up some of the girls who are over 30.

[QUOTE=FloridaSun;1830664]Would you say that Artemis should be sampled at least once. I will be visiting Sharks for two days upon my arrival to Frankfurt then I wanted to venture out since my last three FKK trips have been around Frankfurt. I settled on Artemis since it is the main attraction in Berlin and an important club that should be experienced at least once. My second option was to try NRW, but opted to postpone that for longer trip later in the year.

From what I gathered, if you can handle sharking, you will get good service at Artemis both from the club facilities and the girls. The veteran LU might translate to a better service if you go byond the standard 30 minutes and experience extras.

Would you agree with this assessment, or should I rethink my plans.[/QUOTE]How do you plan on getting from FRA to either Berline or NRW? If you have a car and want to experience variety, I'd go with NRW if this is a shorter trip and hit up GT, LR, Aca, or other clubs in the NRW region. I've been to Artemis (1 trip, 2 nights in a row) and had a good time, but as had been said the "pro" / sharkiness is stronger there than say at the NRW clubs. You will find the hardened pro workers at GT / LR, but they won't be the vast majority as is the case at Artemis.

If you're using tourist attractions (other than FKK) as a criteria, or are taking train / transit and don't want to mess with a car, then I'd say go to Berlin. If you get a hotel in the city center, Artemis is bus / walkable, and I'm betting the train ride from FRA to Berlin would be pleasant. When I did the trip I drove (summer) and it was fun, but 5 hrs each way was a bit tiresome.

[QUOTE=FormulaOneFan;1830700]How do you plan on getting from FRA to either Berline or NRW? If you have a car and want to experience variety, I'd go with NRW if this is a shorter trip and hit up GT, LR, Aca, or other clubs in the NRW region. I've been to Artemis (1 trip, 2 nights in a row) and had a good time, but as had been said the "pro" / sharkiness is stronger there than say at the NRW clubs.[/QUOTE]That is exactly what I am doing. Staying 2 days which is not long enough for NRW, taking the train because I do not want to drink and drive, I will be staying in the center of Berlin and would knock Artemis off the list.

I was not sure but now you confirmed the reason behind my thinking.

I find myself to agree 100% with Mr. Ho on his FKK descriptions. Well done! (And I thought nobody could ever agree here). Best LU right now in optics is a draw between oase and artemis, perhaps with oase slightly ahead. But oase is on its way up, and artemis on its way down. At least that was the scenario of 2015. I've heard lots of good about the LR and GT lineups too, and some say those are just as good or even better. But who knows before you try them yourselves right?

Then again, all you need is really 1 incredible girl. Then the rest of the club doesnt matter. Like my stay at Paradise stuttgart two years ago was great because there was one 10/10 girl there. Then it didnt matter that the rest of the LU was below par compared to the hessen clubs and artemis... so looking around different clubs is never a bad idea

Unfortunately this forum doesnt help much in reducing the gravity towards a few clubs that get all the reports... so people assume they are the best

Visited Artemis once a Friday night 2-4 AM and then again Saturday around 3-5 in the afternoon. I really enjoyed my time. Great selection of the type of girls that I like. Most girls are very tanned, have beautiful long nails, are completely shaven and make-up and hair is top-notch aswell as the outfits and high heels.

I love silicone boobs but although many reporters complain that there are TOO much silicone, in my view is that less than 25% had silicone, most of those were small or medium (300-600 CC) and none had more than 700 CC on both my visits. There were several girls with really nice natural boobies, to me the selection in this genre was stronger and I felt better connection with these girls so of the 4 girls that I spent quality time with only one had silicone.

What I also loved was the public areas, soooo sexy to be sucked by a girl in the cinemas, all of my sessions started this way.

Although many people here think the 50 euro extra for CIM is just a tiresome upsell but I kinda like that set up, the girls were so hungry and eager for cash that they made a really good effort in sucking sooooo good that you would come directly in her mouth: the kinda over the top porno like seduction and play with eyes, words moth and hands to make me cum. I really liked that, most of the girls used lots of spit when sucking and most did not mind taking instructions. I have never had so many great BJs in such a short time as at Artemis. Sure, one got the feeling that the girl was more a performer than girlfriend but for me this is not so bad, I don't go to a place like this to be with a girlfriend, I want to be with a pornstar type of dream girl that does things any girlfriend wouldn't do. I don't remember any names but most of the girls that I did was from Hungary I think, one said she was from Cuba.

[QUOTE=Pistons;1831001]I find myself to agree 100% with Mr. Ho on his FKK descriptions. Well done! (And I thought nobody could ever agree here). Best LU right now in optics is a draw between oase and artemis, perhaps with oase slightly ahead. But oase is on its way up, and artemis on its way down. At least that was the scenario of 2015. I've heard lots of good about the LR and GT lineups too, and some say those are just as good or even better. But who knows before you try them yourselves right?

Then again, all you need is really 1 incredible girl. Then the rest of the club doesnt matter. Like my stay at Paradise stuttgart two years ago was great because there was one 10/10 girl there. Then it didnt matter that the rest of the LU was below par compared to the hessen clubs and artemis... so looking around different clubs is never a bad idea

Unfortunately this forum doesnt help much in reducing the gravity towards a few clubs that get all the reports... so people assume they are the best[/QUOTE]Thank you, I hear LR and GT is same ownership. I have not tried yet due to complication of getting there, but I am tempted now.

Artemis may catch up with its LU again, it is just that we had too much of better LU in 2010 and 11 that I am bit hmmm lately, but I always find someone.

As for Oase, I do not know yet as I only have been there once. I somehow found LU bit similar to Artemis, but less silicone, little younger and less tattoos. Contrary to what people say, I liked the food at Oase, Italian touch But I am there for girls, so food is not priority LOL, but it helps to stay longer.

As of this moment I like Hessen and Berlin set up and I hope Artemis will up a LU a bit as I know some over 30's or near 30 years old girls there who are in Artemis for years. I prefer LU and for those who like older fat women (each their own, some guys do like fat or thicker older girls), there are ordinary brothel where there are plenty of those LOL.

Hi guys,

I've read through a lot of this thread already but I need some advice I plan to visit Artemis will be my first time in the place or any FKK. When I had planned to go would be on carnival night, now how does this compare to a normal Tuesday night? Is it a better time or is a normal night better? Will it be more busy because of the carnival night than a normal Tuesday?

I'm a newbie like my title says so advice on whether I should go as for my first time to Artemis on a carnival night or go on a standard night, thanks.

At Wild.

Your assessment with less than 25 % of the girls with silicone tits is totally false. I think about 50 % have fake boobs.

The biggest are those from Jenna (1,5 kg) [URL]http://www.fkk-artemis.de/page/girls/jenna_new/.[/URL] I estimate Vegas with 800 g or Tina the same.

[QUOTE=LuckyLarry;1831270]When I had planned to go would be on carnival night, now how does this compare to a normal Tuesday night? Is it a better time or is a normal night better? Will it be more busy because of the carnival night than a normal Tuesday?[/QUOTE]Maybe a little bit more busy than usual. The girls will be dressed, more or less, and some guests too. IMHO there's no reason to dispense with Artemis because of carnival.

[QUOTE=Suppenhuhn;1831556]At Wild.

Your assessment with less than 25 % of the girls with silicone tits is totally false. I think about 50 % have fake boobs.

The biggest are those from Jenna (1,5 kg) [URL]http://www.fkk-artemis.de/page/girls/jenna_new/.[/URL] I estimate Vegas with 800 g or Tina the same.[/QUOTE]I agree LOL It is about 50 50 or 60 40 LOL.

Some kinda Tattoos too, 50:50.

Good thing is shaved pussy 100% LOL.

[QUOTE=Pharisaer;1831578]Maybe a little bit more busy than usual. The girls will be dressed, more or less, and some guests too. IMHO there's no reason to dispense with Artemis because of carnival.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the feedback, at least I could get a free bottle of champagne for wearing a costume don't suppose how much one would need to dress up as to qualify for this?

[QUOTE=LuckyLarry;1831748]Thanks for the feedback, at least I could get a free bottle of champagne for wearing a costume don't suppose how much one would need to dress up as to qualify for this?[/QUOTE]Don't know. IMHO wearing a funny hat only doesn't qualify you for a complimentary bottle of champagne.

Do you wear swimming trunks underneath your robe or is it you just swim about nude while in pool?

[QUOTE=LuckyLarry;1832491]Do you wear swimming trunks underneath your robe or is it you just swim about nude while in pool?[/QUOTE]Nude as the day I born.

Can veterans of Artemis give information about the go to girls. I like good service and great attitude, I do not mind natural Vs. Enhanced. I like girls who take care of you and can keep you in the room because they are providing the goods. I like extras including taking two girls at the same time. I do not like over worn girls with tired bodies and jaded attitude.

Who are the stars? If you can you share your positive experience. And who are the bad news, and how best to avoid them.

Trying to build my expectations and I found very little girl info.

Hi all,

I was planning on a visit on evening of Thursday 10th but there appears to be a big Messe event. Anyone had experience at this time of year previously? Should I bother going? Will you have to queue to get in? Will it be hard to find available girls and rooms?

[QUOTE=Tommie1984;1834264]I was planning on a visit on evening of Thursday 10th but there appears to be a big Messe event. Anyone had experience at this time of year previously? Should I bother going? Will you have to queue to get in? Will it be hard to find available girls and rooms?[/QUOTE]Expect a busy evening and a very busy night. Usually there are enough girls available, but sometimes you'll find a line at the front desk or upstairs. In case you've got any fallback option: exercise it. Just my 2 cents.

Artemis is unfortunately very nationality based.

With just a few exceptions the romanians and germans gives lower service than the rest. Unfortunately that is 70% of the club. Some romanians and germans are good though, but then it is all about YMMV.

All the performers who gives excellent service to all at artemis are non-rom/ger. Now there could be one or two I dont know, and there have been good rom and ger performers in the past who delivers to everyone, but the current gang mentality is spreading. And noone wants to be left in the cold outside a gang...

Serious problem for artemis at the moment....

[QUOTE=Pharisaer;1834364]Expect a busy evening and a very busy night. Usually there are enough girls available, but sometimes you'll find a line at the front desk or upstairs. In case you've got any fallback option: exercise it. Just my 2 cents.[/QUOTE]Unfortunately no fall back option. May give it is a miss and try plan for a quieter week.

No, I am not talking about the food. I had the misfortune of passing through Berlin on Thursday and visiting Artemis during fruit logistica messe. Which basically means half the Italian and Turkish male population moved in Artemis. I had 3 sessions where I had 20-30 minutes waiting time for room. And girls were telling me I was lucky. During that same day there was up to one hour waiting times.

Of course seeing nobody using showers (if rooms are busy all the time and number of showers are less than number of rooms= how come there is no waIting lines for showers? And that is why I am no fan of going down on a working girl.) kind of dampened the sex drive too.

I did not try any new girls this time because nobody caught my fancy and because there were men everywhere.

Ezra: Visibly frustrated because of the waiting time, still preformed reasonably in the room. I like her a lot so I can put up with her bouts of frustrations (she was angry that she has to wait 30 min for a 30 min session for only 60 euro. Many girls shared this sentiment, but I kind of disagree with that logic.).

Elena: Young Romanian girl with large natural breasts. Small but full of fun. Of course declared me a special customer. But then again every girl tells me that and I am starting to suspect that they are not entirely honest Bit of up-selling, but to be expected from the RO crew.

Emily (Emilia) : Bulgarian GFE experience. I am totally PSE type of guy (yes I know it is BS but so is GFE fantasy) and I still enjoyed the session. No DFK but I did not ask (or want) that either. Perhaps some other guys may fill in with details for those of you that are into that. I suspect this woman has ability to feel every customer "special".

As you can see I am working through letter E. Next time we are moving through the alphabet to letter F.

News:

Jenna had accident of some kind and will not be back to Artemis for some time. Hope everything goes well with her. I did not session with her a lot but I respect her professionalism.

[QUOTE=FloridaSun;1833398]Can veterans of Artemis give information about the go to girls. I like good service and great attitude, I do not mind natural Vs. Enhanced. I like girls who take care of you and can keep you in the room because they are providing the goods. I like extras including taking two girls at the same time. I do not like over worn girls with tired bodies and jaded attitude.

Who are the stars? If you can you share your positive experience. And who are the bad news, and how best to avoid them.

Trying to build my expectations and I found very little girl info.[/QUOTE]Well, I am no veteran although I am starting to get recognized by girls and staff in Artemis so I basically qualify for stammkunde light category.

What you ask for is a question that is impossible to answer. YMMV applies to every girl. I have had great sessions with girls that people are saying best to avoid. I have had terrible sessions after series of good ones because my fav had bad day.

Basically I found out that service increases tremendously if the girl likes you (as in really likes you. Not pretend-likes-you) or thinks that you will become a regular ( steady income for girl).

Few advice I can give though:

If she tries to sell you two girl option. Avoid.

She tries to convince you to buy extras. Avoid.

She gets angry because you said no. Avoid.

She is loitering at entrance trying to capture new customers. Avoid.

Two girls going around and offering threesomes. Avoid.

Any girl trying to do any up-sell in the initial conversation (prostata massage gets mentioned or CIM) - avoid.

Any girl going with string of customers where every session lasts under 10 min (and guys' faces are dour when paying the girl) - avoid.

+ Reject any girl that approaches you if you have arrived before 14:00.

Now if you have followed the above mentioned suggestions you should be left with 10-15 girls that are OK.

If you want threesomes. Find a girl that you feel is OK (don't let the mini-you do the decision. Do that and your wallet is doomed in Artemis) and ask her to pick a girl. Be clear of what you want (lesbian show cost extra. No point of ending up paying for something you did not ask for) and then go upstairs.

Yes. I know this is not much to go on, but unless you go around with a list of names that you crosscheck when girl says her name. This is the best approach you got.

P.S: You want to jump on the first girl you see when entering the bar (noob mistake) - go out again and take cold shower.

[QUOTE=LuckyLarry;1832491]Do you wear swimming trunks underneath your robe or is it you just swim about nude while in pool?[/QUOTE]Posts like this make me giggle, do you understand what frei korper kultur means? Google it if not.

[QUOTE=VaeVictis;1835352]
Jenna had accident of some kind and will not be back to Artemis for some time. Hope everything goes well with her. I did not session with her a lot but I respect her professionalism.[/QUOTE]Yes I noticed on her page she announced that she's had a accident, hope she gets well soon and back to Artemis, Jenna might not be to every guys taste, but she provides a good service, and comes across as a nice lady.

[QUOTE=LuckyLarry;1832491]Do you wear swimming trunks underneath your robe or is it you just swim about nude while in pool?[/QUOTE]You can but you will feel more comfortable nude under your bathrobe, in the shower also everybody is nude what is very common in many clubhouse after a football match.

[QUOTE=Jerboa;1835480]Posts like this make me giggle, do you understand what frei korper kultur means? Google it if not.[/QUOTE]It means it is a nudist place as simple as that.

[QUOTE=Tommie1984;1834264]Hi all,

I was planning on a visit on evening of Thursday 10th but there appears to be a big Messe event. Anyone had experience at this time of year previously? Should I bother going? Will you have to queue to get in? Will it be hard to find available girls and rooms?[/QUOTE]Not the best moment to enjoy your visit, could be very crowded and you can feel like in a factory with very small place for feelings.

I have seen Jenna at the club, and she is one of the older types, or should I call MILF at Artemis. I guess Jenna is proof the taste varies, and stretches like a mutha.

I hope she provide decent to good service as I can't imagine that kinda optiks being premium anywhere. Definately nitch for those into that. Kinda resemble Sylvana at Sharks in a way, although Sylvana's older.

Way too extreme IMPOV. No way I'd take her. And she's an obvious case of fuck no.

[QUOTE=VaeVictis;1835474]
Yes. I know this is not much to go on, but unless you go around with a list of names that you crosscheck when girl says her name. This is the best approach you got.

P.S: You want to jump on the first girl you see when entering the bar (noob mistake) - go out again and take cold shower.[/QUOTE]I think you answered all my questions and provided good practical advice that work for any FKK. In fact I was looking for a strategy recombination or go to girls name. Some clubs like sharks in Darmstadt with more active fourm reporting gives you good guide line for the ones to pick or avoid, and even with girls lists your strategy in spot on. The reverse seems to be in play here, strategy first, names next.

I love the game and I am looking forward to meet my match. Thanks for the coaching session.

[QUOTE=VaeVictis;1835352]No, I am not talking about the food. I had the misfortune of passing through Berlin on Thursday and visiting Artemis during fruit logistica messe. Which basically means half the Italian and Turkish male population moved in Artemis. I had 3 sessions where I had 20-30 minutes waiting time for room. And girls were telling me I was lucky. During that same day there was up to one hour waiting times.
[/QUOTE]Tis the situation at Artemis. One club. Messe usually draws enough punters, and if there are multiple clubs, at least the punters will spread out over several clubs. Even in Hessen, hard to figure out where most will gather exactly as weekends are typically busy at some clubs anyway, but some clubs will be much busier than another that takes some affect from a Messe. Usually the closest to Messe building (not exactly), but in case of Berlin, you got only one club there.

Artemis being one club could be good or bad, but most often bad, no competition, and of course it's the only option when it comes to club like place for all to attend. Multiple clubs around the area creates competition, which we all have witnessed healthy competitions in our lives as consumers, no?

[QUOTE=VaeVictis;1835474]Few advice I can give though:

If she tries to sell you two girl option. Avoid.

She tries to convince you to buy extras. Avoid.

She gets angry because you said no. Avoid.

She is loitering at entrance trying to capture new customers. Avoid.

Two girls going around and offering threesomes. Avoid.

Any girl trying to do any up-sell in the initial conversation (prostata massage gets mentioned or CIM) - avoid.

Any girl going with string of customers where every session lasts under 10 min (and guys' faces are dour when paying the girl) - avoid.
[/QUOTE]Haha, yup, a laundry list of them after you've met enough of them. You run into this type of situation more in certain club over other, and it becomes a bit of routine.

[QUOTE=LuckyLarry;1832491]Do you wear swimming trunks underneath your robe or is it you just swim about nude while in pool?[/QUOTE]I've seen guys wear undies, or towel under. Since robe might loosen, open up or whatever. All individual, how prude you are. Wear swimming trunks if you care, nobody really cares really. People tan in the garden fully nude, community showers, etc. Hey, the girls are nude though, but we wear robes. Why not we all go nude? Haha.

I recall a girl I met at a club that showed up from a saunaclub which is typically lingerie, two pieces. She seemed pretty conscious of herself on her first day at the nude club. Didn't expect that, but understandable.

Vaevictis: Not all girls standing by the entrance does it to catch customers though. So that point of yours could be missinterpreted. The bad ones are only those who grabs your nuts or bumps into you while you try to get in. Basically blocking your path in order to get your attention. Those standing there with their purse does it sometimes just because all the sofas are full.

[QUOTE=Pistons;1835881]Vaevictis: Not all girls standing by the entrance does it to catch customers though. So that point of yours could be missinterpreted. The bad ones are only those who grabs your nuts or bumps into you while you try to get in. Basically blocking your path in order to get your attention. Those standing there with their purse does it sometimes just because all the sofas are full.[/QUOTE]You are referring to the entrance of the bar. I was referring to the entrance to the premises, or to be more precise area where lockers are. This phenomena will be experienced in the morning in Artemis (but applies to other places as well). Of course. Not all girls doing one of the things I listed up are going to be sharks / bad sessions but the list was never meant to be taken as 10 commandments but rather list of signs to be wary about.

[QUOTE=PussyLiccker;1835535]I have seen Jenna at the club, and she is one of the older types, or should I call MILF at Artemis. I guess Jenna is proof the taste varies, and stretches like a mutha.

I hope she provide decent to good service as I can't imagine that kinda optiks being premium anywhere. Definately nitch for those into that. Kinda resemble Sylvana at Sharks in a way, although Sylvana's older.

Way too extreme IMPOV. No way I'd take her. And she's an obvious case of fuck no.[/QUOTE]As you say the taste varies. Jenna is actually sought after and has truckload of appointments throughout a working week. Is she less pretty than say Nicole (Cz)? Of course. But the difference is that Jenna plays in different league and makes you realize that 70% ofthe girls in artemis are just newbeginners. While Nicole, despite IMHO being a beauty, is an underpreformer. I picked up Jenna just to try something new and never regretted it. But as you say. Taste cannot be discussed.

[QUOTE=VaeVictis;1835906] Of course. Not all girls doing one of the things I listed up are going to be sharks / bad sessions but the list was never meant to be taken as 10 commandments but rather list of signs to be wary about.[/QUOTE]So if they are not the 10 commandments of FKK'ing, then they are the list of what to wary about in a somewhat on and off way where the rules themselves does not allways apply? This will calm my warying nerves alot, thank you.

(Just pulling your leg here, hehe).

[QUOTE=VaeVictis;1835474]Well, I am no veteran although I am starting to get recognized by girls and staff in Artemis so I basically qualify for stammkunde light category.

What you ask for is a question that is impossible to answer. YMMV applies to every girl. I have had great sessions with girls that people are saying best to avoid. I have had terrible sessions after series of good ones because my fav had bad day.

Basically I found out that service increases tremendously if the girl likes you (as in really likes you. Not pretend-likes-you) or thinks that you will become a regular ( steady income for girl).

Few advice I can give though:

If she tries to sell you two girl option. Avoid.

She tries to convince you to buy extras. Avoid..[/QUOTE]Small advice. If you are interested. Please first invest in a drink (and pay her time) It is always a good way to check.

[QUOTE=Krisspy19;1836758]Small advice. If you are interested. Please first invest in a drink (and pay her time) It is always a good way to check.[/QUOTE]Did I understand this correctly! If that's what you mean then I will have no money left to take anyone to the room. I usually go, this one, no that one, the other one, and if I have to buy a drink and time for each I will have no money left.

[QUOTE=FloridaSun;1836787]Did I understand this correctly! If that's what you mean then I will have no money left to take anyone to the room. I usually go, this one, no that one, the other one, and if I have to buy a drink and time for each I will have no money left.[/QUOTE]The never accept the drink or order it their selves but if you made your choice (of course not every lady that start talking to you) you have the best chance to check. Out of my experience you also get a great after service (if you have been friendly.

[QUOTE=Dutedrac;1794382]Ninja needs to do more homework? There is a significant difference between FRA clubs and Artemis, except Palace which is similar for many aspects (upsell, rudeness of girls, silicon, higher % of non romanian girls). Artemis is a fine big FKK and I always have fun there, but it's definitely more of a struggle to find the right playmates if you have higher service requirements and respect for your money, and in the last 3-5 years the trend has been going downhill, most experienced mongers (forum members or not) who do both FRA and Artemis will agree on this. This without mentioning Artemis is more expensive with entrance 10-20% more and basic girl rates 20% higher.

Berlin badly needs FKK competition.[/QUOTE]I agree it needs competition, I thought Berlin was a liberal tolerant city, so wonder if true that city has blocked a new club, a new club to compete with Artemis could only be a good thing for us.

[QUOTE=Jerboa;1837340]I agree it needs competition, I thought Berlin was a liberal tolerant city, so wonder if true that city has blocked a new club, a new club to compete with Artemis could only be a good thing for us.[/QUOTE]The people living in Berlin are liberal and tolerant. Not the people running the city.

And a large percentage of the "liberal" people in the city don't go to a brothel, as they can just have lots of sex for free. In the bohemian lifestyle they practice.

I have been on a punting free break for a few months but returned to Artemis last Monday evening where among my all time favorites still working are Ella from St Petersburg and Rosie from Greece (though some say Bulgaria). First a general remark, I agree with comments on the board about the standards overall of the girls. Increasing numbers of just not attractive girls and some of them with very aggressive attitudes as well if you say no to their advances. Also I see what others on this board mean about 'gangs'. Ella was not there but Rosie was and so off for a one hour session. Rosie has average looks but she is mega friendly and a top flight performer. See reacts very well to DATY and this time she sucked me off to completion in her mouth with no hands on my cock! I have also been on the hunt for some time for a top flight performer from Asia. After a recovery period following my session with Rosie I spotted a very pretty half Asian girl with a towel wrapped round her. This should have been a warning sign -- I struck up conversation in the top bar and went off to a room where the towel finally came off! However, she positioned herself to avoid any contact from my hands and proceeded with a weak blow job and hand finish. Complete waste of time but fortunately only the minimum half hour damage money wise. Also present was a tall and quite striking Asian girl but she was always wearing a white top that gave only a fleeting glance of her tits!

All in all you can still have top class service in Artemis but you need either very good luck with a new pick for you or hope that a known to you top class performer for you is there. Working during your visit.

Thanks to the reports here, I have removed Artemis from my must do FKKs on my trips to Europe. That saves me a lot of trouble. Although I will miss visiting Berlin.

Artemis is the only FKK I have ever been to. There are a fair number of pushy girls. But it seems that by being a little discriminating on the women and being patient in waiting for one that feels right you should be able to get mainly what you want. It does seem that there are more tattoos and tans and fake boobs here than in other FKKs (from looking at lineup online) but there are a good number of natural looking girl next door types here too. It is a big place and has a lot of variety to offer. I am considering sharks because I prefer the latter. But Artemis is a huge place and has something to offer anyone I think. Choosing which FKK is a difficult task. I chose Artemis partially for what I read and saw online and partially because I wanted to visit Berlin. Which FKK's have you been to?

[QUOTE=Katinka;1838081]Thanks to the reports here, I have removed Artemis from my must do FKKs on my trips to Europe. That saves me a lot of trouble. Although I will miss visiting Berlin.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DavidFuk;1837904]I have been on a punting free break for a few months but returned to Artemis last Monday evening where among my all time favorites still working are Ella from St Petersburg and Rosie from Greece (though some say Bulgaria). First a general remark, I agree with comments on the board about the standards overall of the girls. Increasing numbers of just not attractive girls and some of them with very aggressive attitudes as well if you say no to their advances. Also I see what others on this board mean about 'gangs'. Ella was not there but Rosie was and so off for a one hour session. Rosie has average looks but she is mega friendly and a top flight performer. See reacts very well to DATY and this time she sucked me off to completion in her mouth with no hands on my cock! I have also been on the hunt for some time for a top flight performer from Asia. After a recovery period following my session with Rosie I spotted a very pretty half Asian girl with a towel wrapped round her. This should have been a warning sign -- I struck up conversation in the top bar and went off to a room where the towel finally came off! However, she positioned herself to avoid any contact from my hands and proceeded with a weak blow job and hand finish. Complete waste of time but fortunately only the minimum half hour damage money wise. Also present was a tall and quite striking Asian girl but she was always wearing a white top that gave only a fleeting glance of her tits!

All in all you can still have top class service in Artemis but you need either very good luck with a new pick for you or hope that a known to you top class performer for you is there. Working during your visit.[/QUOTE]Is this half Asian girl- half Vietnamese and Half German born in Germany? She is pretty, no tattoo and no silicone tits?

[QUOTE=Jerboa;1837340]I agree it needs competition, I thought Berlin was a liberal tolerant city, so wonder if true that city has blocked a new club, a new club to compete with Artemis could only be a good thing for us.[/QUOTE]There was a plan to open mega FKK in potsdam, but it got canceled? It was supposed to open in late 2014.

[QUOTE=DavidFuk;1837904]Rosie from Greece (though some say Bulgaria).[/QUOTE]Sorry, but IMHO you're talking to us about Rosali. Maybe from Greece, maybe from Bulgaria, who cares. Rosali herself claimes to be Greek. But the fact is: she's sometimes hanging around with some Bulgarians.

Note: there's another girl called Rosi / Rosie from Bulgaria, but AFAIK she wasn't present that day.

Yet, I know another Rosalie. De, from Hamburg. 21, GND face with Penelope Cruz like narrow nose base, very friendly, and English very good. Blond, slim silhouette until the bottom which is unusually thicker proportioned to the slimmer top. ~170

My first visit to Artemis was an interesting one, in the sense that I could compare it to FKK Goldentime in Vienna, which I've visited on several occasions.

It first struck me that the place isn't as spacious, although in three floors. I got there on a Thursday afternoon and there were already quite a number of men present, almost as many as the women. At Goldentime I generally get the feeling of more spaciousness and a more favorable ratio men / women, I. E. Less men, more women.

I was quite hungry (for food) at arrival, but to my disappointment the small and rather boring restaurant department still only offered a very plain breakfast, although it was by now 2.30 pm. Goldentime is by far better equipped food-wise. The food corner is also much better located, inside the actual place, so you can look at the girls and talk to them while you're eating.

What about the lineup? I'd say it was rather average. There were some good looking ones and a lot of a bit older ladies. I found it somewhat difficult to find a place to sit and talk to the girls. Furthermore the whole place smelled quite a bit from cigarette smoke.

Finally I asked a decently pretty Venezuelan girl if she wanted to pick a friend for a threesome. She went away for a while and came back with perhaps the most stunning beauty I've ever seen in a place like this. It was Avril, 22, from Bucharest. Newly made fake tits didn't matter, she was simply stunning! I politely apologized to the Venezuelan, and booked Avril for an hour.

We started out in the upper Kino, where she eagerly blew me uncovered and with no hands. Meanwhile I enjoyed watching and touching her gorgeous behind. Other men obviously found her as exciting as I did, and studied us with great interest, which bothered me to some extent. We therefore went upstairs. There were only small rooms left, but it would have to do. With such a woman any room is alright.

She had told me kissing is included only if we have a special connection and we obviously had, because there was kissing both with lips and tongue. She also allowed DATY, and she tasted delicious. She said I couldn't grope her breasts because of the surgery, but I could suck her nipples as much as I wanted which I did. Once she put the rubber on with her lips we started fucking in different positions. I particular enjoyed her riding me in cowgirl. I asked if she could take her stockings off, but she just said no! Then she did take them off, though, and later explained it's a bit complicated to take them on and off.

After a while I asked her for CIM and COF. She said yes and 50 extra. However, when we went into mish, I couldn't control myself any longer just had to explode inside her!

Afterwards she said she would give me a massage, but she actually didn't. She showed naivety and lack of experience while chit-chatting, started to act like a wild cat bordering on domina, which didn't appeal to me at all at that stage.

All in all nevertheless a totally exciting experience. I can highly recommend Avril Artemis less so.

[QUOTE=Pharisaer;1838165]Sorry, but IMHO you're talking to us about Rosali. Maybe from Greece, maybe from Bulgaria, who cares. Rosali herself claimes to be Greek. But the fact is: she's sometimes hanging around with some Bulgarians.

Note: there's another girl called Rosi / Rosie from Bulgaria, but AFAIK she wasn't present that day.[/QUOTE]Yes I got the spelling wrong. I made a visit yesterday as I knew Rosali would be there. Same level of service! It was, as might be expected, much more crowded last night but the standard of girls was disappointing relative to past times. Definitely the level of approaches from girls is going up together with very poor response when you say no. Last night I had the 'two of us' line twice within 10 minutes of arriving.

I definitely agree there is quality there but you have to be able to push away the sharks and then you can make an informed choice. Of course it may still go wrong but at least its your choice!

[QUOTE=MrHo;1838148]Is this half Asian girl- half Vietnamese and Half German born in Germany? She is pretty, no tattoo and no silicone tits?[/QUOTE]Yes it is.

[QUOTE=DavidFuk;1838422]Yes it is.[/QUOTE]Then I went with her last November, she was new then and although she was shy and just lay there on bed, I was able to do whatever I wanted, but she did not like DFK too much and often looked away. At the time, she did not seem to know what she was doing, so I guess through time, she learned how to deal with in FKK. I liked her [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url] look.

[QUOTE=MrHo;1838148]Is this half Asian girl- half Vietnamese and Half German born in Germany? She is pretty, no tattoo and no silicone tits?[/QUOTE]I think she's Phoebe, very beautiful but not too much involved.

[QUOTE=MrHo;1838552]Then I went with her last November, she was new then[/QUOTE]Phoebe. At least her name sounds like that.

[QUOTE=Pharisaer;1838983]Phoebe. At least her name sounds like that.[/QUOTE]I would go with her again, but 30 min to see if she perform the same as I did, which was just lay in bed, but I was allowed to do pretty much what I wanted as she seemed new back then and did not know what she was doing. She also seemed young as well and hanged out alone with not towel wrapped around her, but on her waist line only.

So LU at Artemis seems same as last November then. I may hit again in summer to enjoy different LU then as for soon, I may just hit Hessen.

Hi,

I am coming to Artemis this weekend again. I have heard the names Amina and Fatima a bit on this forum. I'm currently going through a Middle Eastern girl phase so just wanted to ask if these girls were Mid Eastern and if they still work at Artemis and how to identify them?

Also is Amira middle eastern too? I've also read positive reviews of her. My last visit to Artemis was not so great in term of girls' service with massive waits too so what is a better time to go: Friday evening or Saturday daytime?

Any other Middle Eastern women at Artemis?

Amina: claims to be Iranian.

Amira: some people say Iranian, some people say Moroccan. Don't know.

Fatima: caucasian.

[QUOTE=Sybarite2006;1839837]Friday evening or Saturday daytime?[/QUOTE]Friday evening, if you prefer a wider choice of women. Saturday afternoon, if you prefer a calmer place. It's your choice.

[QUOTE=Sybarite2006;1839837]Hi,

I am coming to Artemis this weekend again. I have heard the names Amina and Fatima a bit on this forum. I'm currently going through a Middle Eastern girl phase so just wanted to ask if these girls were Mid Eastern and if they still work at Artemis and how to identify them?

Also is Amira middle eastern too? I've also read positive reviews of her. My last visit to Artemis was not so great in term of girls' service with massive waits too so what is a better time to go: Friday evening or Saturday daytime?

Any other Middle Eastern women at Artemis?[/QUOTE]Amina told me that she is German born with Iranian parents. She has straight dark hair, a toned skin and green eyes. Small natural breasts. Looks very Persian to me. Her only tatoo is a small tattoo on the inside of her wrist. It's her parents names written in Arabic. Arabic because she thinks it looks better than Persian.

Amina is a shark and hunts in the staircase and inside the lounge. But she is nonetheless a good girl. My best experience ever at Artemis. True GFE with lots of DFK. And she's a non-smoker.

There are quite a few girls with Turkish origin at Artemis. I've been with Simai who is super slim. She is a bit too professional for me but ok.

Fatima is an old timer at Artemis with very good reputation. She's from Slovakia.

[QUOTE=Hermann666;1840358]Amina is a shark and hunts in the staircase and inside the lounge. But she is nonetheless a good girl. My best experience ever at Artemis. True GFE with lots of DFK. And she's a non-smoker.
[/QUOTE]This is why I've run into her so easily, with the timing being right I think. She's pretty active in her pursuit. Not that there arn't plenty of those types at Artemis either. Busy girl is the way to put it. She's one of those type that is in active pursuit, and makes efficient business the way I see it, as she disappears quickly, snatching up guys I think (different from other active girls with less business). I think one of the better service provider with good looks (natural slim, on the thinner side). Has the busy Artemis girl professionalism which is to be expected, but not so much. So, I would guess one of the more reliable girls at Artemis in terms of service.

[QUOTE=Hermann666;1840358]Amina told me that she is German born with Iranian parents. She has straight dark hair, a toned skin and green eyes. Small natural breasts. Looks very Persian to me. Her only tatoo is a small tattoo on the inside of her wrist. It's her parents names written in Arabic. Arabic because she thinks it looks better than Persian.

Amina is a shark and hunts in the staircase and inside the lounge. But she is nonetheless a good girl. My best experience ever at Artemis. True GFE with lots of DFK. And she's a non-smoker..[/QUOTE]Thanks for that description. She sounds perfect! I used to date a Persian girl when I was at college and they are beautiful! I will try to hunt her down! Any idea of the shift she works or best time or day to get her?

[QUOTE=Sybarite2006;1840824]Thanks for that description. She sounds perfect! I used to date a Persian girl when I was at college and they are beautiful! I will try to hunt her down! Any idea of the shift she works or best time or day to get her?[/QUOTE]When I met Amina in October she was working the day shift. If you're really interested in a specific girl I think you can call reception and ask if she will be working the next couple of days.

[QUOTE=Sybarite2006;1840824]Any idea of the shift she works or best time or day to get her?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Hermann666;1840957]When I met Amina in October she was working the day shift. If you're really interested in a specific girl I think you can call reception and ask if she will be working the next couple of days.[/QUOTE]Amina was a day-shift-girl, I'm happy to confirm that. AFAIK you won't meet her in the coming days and weeks. Otherwise, do as per description.

Sybarite2006,

Amina tries to finish you in less than 10 minutes if she can. And she is very able. But she is gorgeous.

Elissa is another, beautiful girl, long blonde hair with some curling. Partly Lebanese. If she is still there, I am not sure.

I guess best thing you can do is to ask the theke when you pay the entrance fee if she can help you with this. She will do that if it is not too crowded (for example: afternoon). But she doesn't like multiple questions.

So for example ask her if there is an Arabic or Middle Eastern girl coming this day.

[QUOTE=Hermann666;1840957]When I met Amina in October she was working the day shift. If you're really interested in a specific girl I think you can call reception and ask if she will be working the next couple of days.[/QUOTE]I met Amina at Paradise Stuttgart In December, was surprised to meet her there, she said that she had left Artemis, didn't go into detail, not sure if there was trouble, so afaik she's no longer at Artemis.

[QUOTE=JacoGillongo;1842189]Sybarite2006,

Amina tries to finish you in less than 10 minutes if she can. And she is very able. But she is gorgeous.

Elissa is another, beautiful girl, long blonde hair with some curling. Partly Lebanese. If she is still there, I am not sure.

I guess best thing you can do is to ask the theke when you pay the entrance fee if she can help you with this. She will do that if it is not too crowded (for example: afternoon). But she doesn't like multiple questions.

So for example ask her if there is an Arabic or Middle Eastern girl coming this day.[/QUOTE]Doesn't matter now if she moved away from Artemis but I spent a 90 minute session with Amina. I rarely extend that long. She was quite active all the time but a bit of massaging my back in the middle. I paid for extras though with anal and CIM so it was a good session for both of us.

Avia, as a comparison, suggested a back massage even before we were down to business and BBBJ. She tried to spend a lot of time massaging before there were any real action. Not the best performance. Only girl at Artemis that has done that with me.

I dropped in by 16:00 straight from the airport and immediately after the shower enjoyed a sessions with my regular safe choice, Elena. She was bit moody this day but preformed well and reliably.

Generally the line up was bit boring (for me) - I saw couple of interesting candidates but they were snatched away by fellow hobbyist. I have to say that girls were bit desperate despite being plenty of men present.

Hoping that situation will improve after hour or two and being hungry, I went outside and bought doner kebab from a street vendor (300-400 meters from Artemis on Kurfurstendamm strasse, over the bridge crossing the railroad by Berliner Sparkasse).

For guys that don't want to take out money from ATM in Artemis. Inside the mentioned Sparkasse bank there are two ATM machines allowing you to withdraw money. As far as I know, the other closest option is at the bus station near the Ibis hotel.

Sani was my next session. Nice young body with plastic boobs. She was leaning on rail in area outside the bar (leading to the stairs to next floor and the locker area) in such way to accentuate her body in best possible way. Her English is not so good, so don't have expectations of engaging conversation if your mastery of German is zero like mine. Action in the room was excellent with she being focused on doing what gave me most pleasure. After the deed was done, she gave me back rub.

Emily was the last session of the day (described before). Silent girl in the room (she was chatty on previous occasions) but preformed OK (I was not in the mood for talk either so it suited me well). Can ride you for more than 2 minutes which is great if you enjoy girl on the top view (to my surprise many girls will complain of being tired after only couple of minutes in that position).

When I was leaving around midnight there was a large group of people waiting to come in (mostly middle eastern / Turkish) guys and the place was getting rather large men to girl ratio which I don't like.

Also. Officially I have now been in all the rooms in Artemis except the VIP room (which is no longer advertised on their webpages).

[QUOTE=VaeVictis;1844741]I dropped in by 16:00 straight from the airport and immediately after the shower enjoyed a sessions with my regular safe choice, Elena. She was bit moody this day but preformed well and reliably.

Generally the line up was bit boring (for me) - I saw couple of interesting candidates but they were snatched away by fellow hobbyist. I have to say that girls were bit desperate despite being plenty of men present.

Hoping that situation will improve after hour or two and being hungry, I went outside and bought doner kebab from a street vendor (300-400 meters from Artemis on Kurfurstendamm strasse, over the bridge crossing the railroad by Berliner Sparkasse).

For guys that don't want to take out money from ATM in Artemis. Inside the mentioned Sparkasse bank there are two ATM machines allowing you to withdraw money. As far as I know, the other closest option is at the bus station near the Ibis hotel..[/QUOTE]Elena, the Bulgarian one with blue eyes and blonde hair? Quite tall.

I arrived around 9 pm for my first ever visit to Artemis. Counter lady was nice, I changed and went out to check things out. The place is large and very smokey. There were lots of girls, many quite aggressive in the bar area, so I found a quieter spot over by the stripper pole. The kino upstairs wasn't running and got almost no use. I had to fight off a number of aggressive advances while scouting the girls and making a list of the ones I wanted. I sat and watched for probably an hour and spotted a girl in glasses that had a body that really appealed to me. Obviously not Romanian, so different than what I had in Frankfurt. As I approached she started walking to the lockers. I asked if she was leaving and she said yes but if I wanted to go upstairs she would. Her name started with an A and she said she was born in Turkey but grew up in Germany. In the room she was nice, but not GFE at all. I am honestly okay with that, I just liked her firm tits, they sit close together and were fun to play with. The BJ was good, then cowgirl, finish doggie. I was pretty quick, it had been a while. She was fun, but mostly because I liked her body a lot.

Next I sat and watched, fighting off the aggressive girls. Chatted with a guy at the bar for a while then decided to wonder around. The place was starting to fill up with guys and it seems like every time someone caught my eye they were snatched up. There was a tall, skinny blonde I wanted but never got the chance. There was also a dark skinned girl with curly hair and tiny nipples that I liked, but after attempting eye contact a few times she would just walk right on by, so I guess she wasn't into me.

I finally found a blonde with natural tits that seemed nice and we went upstairs. Her name started with an M and she said she was from Germany. She asked what I wanted and told her no extras and if I could last a while I didn't want to cum because last time for me the 3rd pop was a lot of work and I wanted to sample some more girls. She went to business, again not at all GFE. She didn't like being on top and in doggie I nailed her really hard, which she finally said she couldn't take anymore, but she let me go for quite a while. Ended with some additional BJ and as planned I didn't pop. It was good for what it was, she was hot and I fucked her, but not the best.

I went downstairs, there the Kino was playing but nothing really going on. Upstairs the smoke was getting thicker as was the number of guys. At one point the bar was full and maybe only 3 or 4 of seats were occupied by women. The pickings were getting slim when a brunette showed up that I had spotted before but she had been grabbed before I got to her. She seems to camp out between the bar and the stripper pole. We chatted for a bit, her name is Mille and she said she is from Spain. She has big natural boobs, not really the shape I go for, but her ass looked good and she has a very pretty face. She told me she is 30, which was a surprise, I guessed 24 or 25. She was very friendly and a lot of fun to talk to. She was much more GFE than the others with kissing and flirting. I really enjoyed my time with her and after I finished we laid together and talked, it almost started to feel like a date.

After Mille I did one more lap just to see what was there and I left. Some final notes:

- easy to get to, short walk from train station. Trains run late, I left around 2 am and the train was running.

- unlike my time in Frankfurt I didn't go for any upsells. In FR I was really into COF for some reason and paid for that a lot. By limited that, I kept expenses lower.

- also unlike Frankfurt, I didn't want to do a threesome. I think the crowded conditions made it much harder to chat up girls and ease into it.

- the girls at Sharks are hotter. Even Mainhattan had a couple girls that were hotter than anyone at Artemis. But there were still plenty of hot young girls. Just more silicon.

- by fending off the aggressive girls I didn't face any hardcore upselling or issues with trying to extend the time. All 3 girls were totally fine with a basic 30 min session.

[QUOTE=MrHo;1844845]Elena, the Bulgarian one with blue eyes and blonde hair? Quite tall.[/QUOTE]Well, this lady is 100% Romanian bred and made. Around 160 cm tall (without pumps), large natural breasts and black hair. Her traditional "waiting for customer area" is at the side of the bar between the dancing pole and the exit door (mostly used by the staff) leading downstairs. So definitely not the Bulgarian you had in the mind.

[QUOTE=KyzrCccc;1844899]I finally found a blonde with natural tits that seemed nice and we went upstairs. Her name started with an M and she said she was from Germany. She asked what I wanted and told her no extras and if I could last a while I didn't want to cum because last time for me the 3rd pop was a lot of work and I wanted to sample some more girls. She went to business, again not at all GFE. She didn't like being on top and in doggie I nailed her really hard, which she finally said she couldn't take anymore, but she let me go for quite a while. Ended with some additional BJ and as planned I didn't pop. It was good for what it was, she was hot and I fucked her, but not the best.[/QUOTE]This fits the profile of Madeleine. Nice girl but doesn't exactly provide top service. YMMV of course on this subject.

[QUOTE=VaeVictis;1845048]Well, this lady is 100% Romanian bred and made. Around 160 cm tall (without pumps), large natural breasts and black hair. Her traditional "waiting for customer area" is at the side of the bar between the dancing pole and the exit door (mostly used by the staff) leading downstairs. So definitely not the Bulgarian you had in the mind.[/QUOTE]I am happy to confirm that. Elena (maybe Helena): dark hair, large natural breasts, Romanian.

[QUOTE=VaeVictis;1845048]Well, this lady is 100% Romanian bred and made. Around 160 cm tall (without pumps), large natural breasts and black hair. Her traditional "waiting for customer area" is at the side of the bar between the dancing pole and the exit door (mostly used by the staff) leading downstairs. So definitely not the Bulgarian you had in the mind.[/QUOTE]OK, it is different one then, I went with Elena the Bulgarian one blonde hair, blue eye, about 170 cm tall (taller with high heel) last year, and then never saw her during my autumn visit, so it made me wonder.

Girls come and go, the beauty of FKK Artemis, but new younger LU can be hopeful as I see some older ones. Way too many in recent years.

[QUOTE=MrHo;1845330]OK, it is different one then, I went with Elena the Bulgarian one blonde hair, blue eye, about 170 cm tall (taller with high heel) last year, and then never saw her during my autumn visit, so it made me wonder.

Girls come and go, the beauty of FKK Artemis, but new younger LU can be hopeful as I see some older ones. Way too many in recent years.[/QUOTE]Never underestimate the non-hassling and decent service provided by the majority of the "older ones".

[QUOTE=Zimmerbaby;1845503]Never underestimate the non-hassling and decent service provided by the majority of the "older ones".[/QUOTE]Maybe, but they ain't my taste, so I won't get to experience that.

Hello Artemis goers,

I'm a pretty active member over other site but not so much here. I apologize for just popping in to ask a question, but hopefully it starts a good discussion.

I'll be in Berlin next Saturday (Mar 12) for a week. I'll definitely be checking out Artemis while I'm there, likely several times. Having RTFF here, it sounds like Artemis is good, but not great. I've been to Globe in Zurich and really enjoyed that experience and I thought it was top notch.

My question is, if you had a day / night free and had already been to Artemis a time or two, would you recommend venturing out a few hours out of Berlin for something better? Does such a thing even exist? Or is there something else in Berlin worth checking out? I've read about the flat rate clubs and they don't sound interesting at all. I want very hot women, preferably youngish and natural. There was a lot of that at Globe. I really like the FKK setup, but I'm open to other ideas.

Thanks for any help you can offer! If anyone has any plans to go out when I'm there I'm open to being social! And again, apologies for just being a tourist in your forum.

[QUOTE=Nostrastotle;1846589]I've read about the flat rate clubs and they don't sound interesting at all. I want very hot women, preferably youngish and natural.[/QUOTE]Very unlikely to find "very hot women, preferably youngish and natural" in the flat-rate clubs.

You might find that in the up-scale brothels, but I never ventured there.

I found Artemis very much to my liking with lots of different kind of women, so it will be rare if you cannot find someone that suits you.

I wish this report was updated: [URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?668-Berlin&p=1637702&viewfull=1#post1637702[/URL]

[QUOTE=Shark16;1846672]I wish this report was updated: [URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?668-Berlin&p=1637702&viewfull=1#post1637702[/URL][/QUOTE]Thank you Shark and Wolven. The post referenced is excellent.

A little more specifically, my question is, would you spend all of your time in Berlin if you had a week, or is there another somewhat close by Hotspot that's worth the effort to get to. For example, Prague is fantastic but 4-5 hours each way is probably not worth it. So, anything that is worth the trouble?

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1846669]Very unlikely to find "very hot women, preferably youngish and natural" in the flat-rate clubs.

You might find that in the up-scale brothels, but I never ventured there.

I found Artemis very much to my liking with lots of different kind of women, so it will be rare if you cannot find someone that suits you.[/QUOTE]Hmm Interesting. What are the names of known up scale brothel and how are the rate?

I might want to try out.

[QUOTE=Nostrastotle;1846589]Hello Artemis goers,

I'm a pretty active member over other site but not so much here. I apologize for just popping in to ask a question, but hopefully it starts a good discussion.

I'll be in Berlin next Saturday (Mar 12) for a week. I'll definitely be checking out Artemis while I'm there, likely several times. Having RTFF here, it sounds like Artemis is good, but not great. I've been to Globe in Zurich and really enjoyed that experience and I thought it was top notch.

My question is, if you had a day / night free and had already been to Artemis a time or two, would you recommend venturing out a few hours out of Berlin for something better? Does such a thing even exist? Or is there something else in Berlin worth checking out? I've read about the flat rate clubs and they don't sound interesting at all. I want very hot women, preferably youngish and natural. There was a lot of that at Globe. I really like the FKK setup, but I'm open to other ideas.

Thanks for any help you can offer! If anyone has any plans to go out when I'm there I'm open to being social! And again, apologies for just being a tourist in your forum.[/QUOTE]There are a few good brothels in Berlin, like Camilla Dee or van Kampen, but the benefit with Artemis is that you have a large selection of girls in the same room and they are totally naked. If one session turns out to be not that great it just takes a shower and a sauna and then you can be at it again with another girl. Many girls in Artemis fits your preference of being youngish and natural. Others are more of the pornstar type with large silicones.

I returned today to Artemis for the first visit in more than a year. This past year I have been FKK'ing in Stuttgart and Hessen, with Sharks being the most regular venue. I have been keen for sometime to return to Artemis, the club where this hobby for me started.

I landed at Schnefeld late morning and then proceeded to cock up my journey on the S-Bahn. There were monstrous queues at the ticket machines in the tunnel under the tracks, but I remembered that it was possible to buy tickets on the platform. I don't think I'm exaggerating to say that the queues for each machine must have been fifty people deep. They stretched across the wide tunnel and bent along the wall. There were also queues on the platform, but only five or six deep. I've no idea what the problem was.

When getting my connection, and distracted by some work, I got on the S41 at Sdkreuz travelling east instead of west. Buried in my work as I was, I only noticed my error when I heard Ostkreuz announced over the train's PA system. I switched trains and having wasted most of an hour arrived at Halensee at around 1 pm. I checked into the Kronprinz for a shower and shave.

A short walk to the club saw me there at 2 pm. The first change since my last visit was some new robes. Long overdue. After another shower I took a walk round the place to remind myself of the layout. It was all very familiar and felt good to be back. I was hoping to see some familiar faces, in particular Fatima, who is the one working girl whom I wish I had a (non-sexual) relationship with outside of the clubs. She really is a fantastic girl.

My first impressions of the afternoon lineup were that it was really poor. Not many girls, and none that attracted me. I wasn't concerned as I knew things would pick up. I left at 10 pm and was happy enough with the lineup at that point. Yes, there is a larger concentration of silicon in this club, but there are plenty of natural girls. There were 8 - 10 girls that I rated highly enough to have been happy taking to the room on looks alone, which is far more than I can cope with.

The thing that I realised that I really missed was the exceptional layout of this club. Essentially on three levels (plus a fourth for the girls dorms) it is possible to find quiet space to relax downstairs, or rocking party action on the ground floor. If you like a nightclub feel, with naked girls, only Sakura comes close, and that is with a much smaller lineup.

There have been a few improvements that have freshened the place up (including new carpet and seating). On the other hand, the food seems to have deteriorated significantly. I really didn't want to eat any of it.

The girls are more proactive at Artemis compared with my recent experiences. I was approached many times, ranging for polite inquiries with a cheerful reaction to my rejection, to one or two who struggled to take no for an answer. Speaking with a few of the girls that I knew, most said that the club was quieter these days. They thought fewer men were attending.

My first room of the day was with a new girl for me, Lily from Hamburg. 172 cm, slim, natural, dirty-blonde hair tied up in a single plaited pigtail. She also works as Lena in Atmos, Hamburg. She was very business-like ensuring that there was no chance of a financial misunderstanding, but was also very friendly, easy to chat with, and came with an easy laugh. She promised an exceptional massage and seemed comfortable with my request for a long, slow session. In the end we spent two and a half hours, and I had an amazing time. Her body to body massage was fantastic and she made sure that I had a great view in the mirrors. Oral on her brought her to orgasm, which alsways relaxes me for a long session. She was determined to come that way as she struggles to finish during sex. For the sex, I told her that I wanted to be inside her for an hour and to take things easy. She succeeded with the brief and sportingly did most of the work. I like this approach as it gives me my most intense orgasm. My only slight complaints were that she is a reluctant kisser, and can talk too much. For those wanting digits or anal, she's not the girl for you, accommodating neither option.

I relaxed in my usual place in the corner behind the Wellness bar. In part to see if Fatima would take up her usual spot at the downstairs bar. I fell asleep. I awoke to the sound of Fatima's distinctive laugh and was delighted to see her there. The guy she was with walked away so I stepped over to see her. Sadly the chap was coming back and she would be busy until the end of her shift.

Returning to my haven, I turned away a few girls until deciding to go with Nora, Hungary, who I had seen earlier. She is carrying quite a few unnecessary kilo's, but has a very pretty face, a sunny attitude, and I was keen to give her a try. Things started well enough, the chemistry was good, and I thought things were set to go well. She then announced that she needed a break for a shower and an espresso. WTF? She was very apologetic and didn't want more money, but still it killed the mood. I have never experienced this, and can't figure it out. I must be missing something. At least she admitted that she needed the shower, I suppose. I aborted the session and paid up for half an hour. No sex was had, but I don't let these things worry me. She's a sweet girl, and I would give her another try.

I returned downstairs to read for a while. Then Fatima wandered in. Her shift was over but she had hung around so that we could get a few minutes catching up before she left for home, as we hadn't seen each other for a year. This just goes to prove that there are some genuinely great girls in this business. She's clearly working much less these days, and I was lucky to catch her. Will I see her again? I tried to give myself some closure in case I don't. Good for her that she can choose to work much less.

I decided to look for Gabrielle, Poland, who I have had many good GFE sessions with. It took no time at all as she was coming into the wellness area just as I was leaving. Clearly the session was fated, so I invited her to the room. Nothing pleases a girl more than being asked upstairs before they even get around to asking. We had an hour together and it was a great way to finish my day.

So, where does Artemis rank for me now? It is probably still my favorite club, but the lineup is inferior to Sharks. I will probably alternate between Sharks and Artemis for a while. Experience definitely helps, but it is very easy to have a great time at Artemis. For the less experienced, just practice your rejection technique. Firm and polite does the job. Those needing 9/10 or 10/10 bodies will have a small selection, although they do exist. A lot of the girls that I rejected seemed like they might be low on service, so I suppose experience again comes in handy.

Anyone happy with 7's and 8's, providing good service and good companionship, Artemis is a brilliant option.

Hello Frozty,

Thanks for your great report.

I think I know Lena from Atmos but I'm not 100% for sure: Has Lena silicone boobs? My Lena from Atmos is tall (1,72 m could be OK), she has long blonde hair and a very pretty face and smile. She is a smoker and is slim with some tattoos. Lena is German with Russian / Siberian roots.

My experience with her was very very bad. No kissing but that's OK. But for me the first time was that she sucked without condom and after 5 times up and down she spited in a Zewa. And she repeated it every time. Horrorible. After my question why she did it this way she answered that she was scared of disease.

Is my description from Lena correct?

[QUOTE=Suppenhuhn;1847379]Hello Frozty,

Thanks for your great report.

I think I know Lena from Atmos but I'm not 100% for sure: Has Lena silicone boobs? My Lena from Atmos is tall (1,72 m could be OK), she has long blonde hair and a very pretty face and smile. She is a smoker and is slim with some tattoos. Lena is German with russian / sibirian roots.

My experience with her was very very bad. No kissing but that's OK. But for me the first time was that she sucked without condome and after 5 times up and down she spited in a Zewa. And she repeated it every time. Horrorible. After my question why she did it this way she answered that she was scared of disease.

Is my description from Lena correct?[/QUOTE]Yes, that sounds like her. No silicone. Hair is as you describe. She has some tattoos. The most prominent was a colourful butterfly (I think) on her lower abdomen, left side. She was a reluctant kisser, and probably only managed that because I had asked before the room. It was obvious that she didn't really want to.

I can believe the cleanliness point. She is trained as a nurse and mentioned the importance of cleanliness a few times. She used a disinfectant wash to clean her hands at the end of our session, as well as offering it to me. No trouble with the blow job and no similar issues during the session.

Maybe she has calmed down some since you saw her?

Sorry I'm not right. My woman in Atmos was Jana not Lena.

But I know Lena also. I saw her in Atmos many times and also in Artemis (not often).

[QUOTE=Frozty;1847190]I returned today to Artemis for the first visit in more than a year. This past year I have been FKK'ing in Stuttgart and Hessen, with Sharks being the most regular venue. I have been keen for sometime to return to Artemis, the club where this hobby for me started.

I landed at Schnefeld late morning and then proceeded to cock up my journey on the S-Bahn. There were monstrous queues at the ticket machines in the tunnel under the tracks, but I remembered that it was possible to buy tickets on the platform. I don't think I'm exaggerating to say that the queues for each machine must have been fifty people deep. They stretched across the wide tunnel and bent along the wall. There were also queues on the platform, but only five or six deep. I've no idea what the problem was.

When getting my connection, and distracted by some work, I got on the S41 at Sdkreuz travelling east instead of west. Buried in my work as I was, I only noticed my error when I heard Ostkreuz announced over the train's PA system. I switched trains and having wasted most of an hour arrived at Halensee at around 1 pm. I checked into the Kronprinz for a shower and shave.

A short walk to the club saw me there at 2 pm. The first change since my last visit was some new robes. Long overdue. After another shower I took a walk round the place to remind myself of the layout. It was all very familiar and felt good to be back. I was hoping to see some familiar faces, in particular Fatima, who is the one working girl whom I wish I had a (non-sexual) relationship with outside of the clubs. She really is a fantastic girl.

My first impressions of the afternoon lineup were that it was really poor. Not many girls, and none that attracted me. I wasn't concerned as I knew things would pick up. I left at 10 pm and was happy enough with the lineup at that point. Yes, there is a larger concentration of silicon in this club, but there are plenty of natural girls. There were 8 - 10 girls that I rated highly enough to have been happy taking to the room on looks alone, which is far more than I can cope with.

The thing that I realised that I really missed was the exceptional layout of this club. Essentially on three levels (plus a fourth for the girls dorms) it is possible to find quiet space to relax downstairs, or rocking party action on the ground floor. If you like a nightclub feel, with naked girls, only Sakura comes close, and that is with a much smaller lineup.

There have been a few improvements that have freshened the place up (including new carpet and seating). On the other hand, the food seems to have deteriorated significantly. I really didn't want to eat any of it.

The girls are more proactive at Artemis compared with my recent experiences. I was approached many times, ranging for polite inquiries with a cheerful reaction to my rejection, to one or two who struggled to take no for an answer. Speaking with a few of the girls that I knew, most said that the club was quieter these days. They thought fewer men were attending.

My first room of the day was with a new girl for me, Lily from Hamburg. 172 cm, slim, natural, dirty-blonde hair tied up in a single plaited pigtail. She also works as Lena in Atmos, Hamburg. She was very business-like ensuring that there was no chance of a financial misunderstanding, but was also very friendly, easy to chat with, and came with an easy laugh. She promised an exceptional massage and seemed comfortable with my request for a long, slow session. In the end we spent two and a half hours, and I had an amazing time. Her body to body massage was fantastic and she made sure that I had a great view in the mirrors. Oral on her brought her to orgasm, which alsways relaxes me for a long session. She was determined to come that way as she struggles to finish during sex. For the sex, I told her that I wanted to be inside her for an hour and to take things easy. She succeeded with the brief and sportingly did most of the work. I like this approach as it gives me my most intense orgasm. My only slight complaints were that she is a reluctant kisser, and can talk too much. For those wanting digits or anal, she's not the girl for you, accommodating neither option.

I relaxed in my usual place in the corner behind the Wellness bar. In part to see if Fatima would take up her usual spot at the downstairs bar. I fell asleep. I awoke to the sound of Fatima's distinctive laugh and was delighted to see her there. The guy she was with walked away so I stepped over to see her. Sadly the chap was coming back and she would be busy until the end of her shift.

Returning to my haven, I turned away a few girls until deciding to go with Nora, Hungary, who I had seen earlier. She is carrying quite a few unnecessary kilo's, but has a very pretty face, a sunny attitude, and I was keen to give her a try. Things started well enough, the chemistry was good, and I thought things were set to go well. She then announced that she needed a break for a shower and an espresso. WTF? She was very apologetic and didn't want more money, but still it killed the mood. I have never experienced this, and can't figure it out. I must be missing something. At least she admitted that she needed the shower, I suppose. I aborted the session and paid up for half an hour. No sex was had, but I don't let these things worry me. She's a sweet girl, and I would give her another try.

I returned downstairs to read for a while. Then Fatima wandered in. Her shift was over but she had hung around so that we could get a few minutes catching up before she left for home, as we hadn't seen each other for a year. This just goes to prove that there are some genuinely great girls in this business. She's clearly working much less these days, and I was lucky to catch her. Will I see her again? I tried to give myself some closure in case I don't. Good for her that she can choose to work much less.

I decided to look for Gabrielle, Poland, who I have had many good GFE sessions with. It took no time at all as she was coming into the wellness area just as I was leaving. Clearly the session was fated, so I invited her to the room. Nothing pleases a girl more than being asked upstairs before they even get around to asking. We had an hour together and it was a great way to finish my day.

So, where does Artemis rank for me now? It is probably still my favorite club, but the lineup is inferior to Sharks. I will probably alternate between Sharks and Artemis for a while. Experience definitely helps, but it is very easy to have a great time at Artemis. For the less experienced, just practice your rejection technique. Firm and polite does the job. Those needing 9/10 or 10/10 bodies will have a small selection, although they do exist. A lot of the girls that I rejected seemed like they might be low on service, so I suppose experience again comes in handy.

Anyone happy with 7's and 8's, providing good service and good companionship, Artemis is a brilliant option.[/QUOTE]Great report. I've been enjoying a discussion in the GT thread as I plan going there and to ACA. How do you rate Artemis in comparison?

[QUOTE=PayForIt;1849761]Great report. I've been enjoying a discussion in the GT thread as I plan going there and to ACA. How do you rate Artemis in comparison?[/QUOTE]I've been to neither. For me, that whole region is untried.

[QUOTE=Frozty;1849912]I've been to neither. For me, that whole region is untried.[/QUOTE]I never been to GT either, it sounded like FKK sharks LU with much smaller scale in far away location.

I am tempted to go, but I would say, FKK Artemis and palace can be similar with LU, but Artemis has wider LU.

Oase is more toward FKK sharks LU, but tattoos, silicone here and there. And FKK sharks being more natural new to industry girls.

Artemis is going more toward palace direction LU, but since it has wider LU than palace, I still find girls I like here and there.

[QUOTE=MrHo;1849915]I never been to GT either, it sounded like FKK sharks LU with much smaller scale in far away location.[/QUOTE]Not, really. Desperately crowed on weekends, and even weekdays after 5 pm are so crowed more than Saturday at Oase. Men and women ratio is 20 and 1. Rooms waiting list is always full, you have to wait more 2 hours are normal. LU is thin after 9 pm Therefore GT is called "Day club".

GT LU? It is mixed with sharks and Palace with bigger scale. But, Top provider of GT is rarely seen all the day because they're booked with regular customer.

First time I visited was fed up with too many customer like there's no locker space, toilet line is 20 min long. I've seen more than 100 men and 3 or 4 women. It's called "Gay Time". Non-top provider is average looking as much as another club you find. If you avoid Gay Time, GT might be better than Artemis, but you can't avoid GT is sucks! 2 hours waits for room with average looking girl. Anyway if you are Newbie at GT, you'll be disappointed.

I've never been to Artemis before. I hope Artemis is much better that GT.

I visited Artemis yesterday Friday 11.3 after quite a break, my last visit was in 2009. I stepped in at 16:00, the place was packed already. Someone told me there was a big exhibition in town.

[B]Facilities: [/B] Personally I don't like the 3 floor system in Artemis. Up and down the stairs all the time. Downstairs pool and sauna area are however nice and relaxed. Girls patrol there but mostly you can be relaxed and unbothered if you wish so. I wanted to order a beer after sauna from the pool bar but the kellner told me bluntly "oben". Great! The main bar area on second floor is smoky and dark as any other FKK club bar can be. The music was quite good to my taste. Soft drinks are free, beer and 2 CL alcohol cost steep 10 Euro. The bar was packed with punters and hookers the whole Friday night. A bit similar to FKK Palace bar area but not as good.

[B]Food:[/B] Basic FKK food, not great nor crap. Chicken soup was good after tuning it with Maggi Magic sauce and Tabasco.

[B]Girls: [/B] I had no expectations for the lineup so I was not disappointed to see that the merchandise was not exceptionally good. Mostly Ceaușescu's finest, some black africans and some latinas in the mix. Lots of tattoos and silicone but also quite a few natural girls. Many aggressive ones. I saw big natural tits around as well but not of the best quality. Speaking of asses there were a handful of babes with perfect tight small arsches and toned bodies. As good as it gets in an FKK. I saw some familiar faces from FKK World and Golden Time. Working girls go around as we know.

[B] My sessions: [/B] I had 2 fucks.

- First with ebony [B]Vanity[/B], half African half German as she told me. Same girl that I once fucked at Dolce Vita in DUS-dorf 2-3 years ago. 23 year old, tight petite body with massive natural boobs, I repeat massive! The session was OK, I have had better but also worse. Quite easy going babe. Nothing to complain about. Good choice for big boob lovers.

- Second set was with a young cute slim German blond. Friend of Vanity's, I forgot her name. Tight pussy and exquisite cowgirl riding skills. A prime session for me.

[B]Final verdict:[/B] I say Artemis is on the same level as the rest of the biggest German FFK clubs. The difference is mainly in the hardware. The hookers look like the same in all of these clubs IMO. There are good looking ones and bad looking ones. And all of them rent their pussies for 50 euro.

I would go to Artemis again if visiting Berlin for business like this time. Otherwise not.

Nice report, and I love your nick. But are you the Finnish fucker, the finnish Fucker? .

[QUOTE=FinnishFucker;1850840]

[B]Final verdict:[/B] I say Artemis is on the same level as the rest of the biggest German FFK clubs. The difference is mainly in the hardware. The hookers look like the same in all of these clubs IMO. There are good looking ones and bad looking ones. And all of them rent their pussies for 50 euro.[/QUOTE]Well, at Artemis they fuck for 60€. LOL.

HB.

[QUOTE=GothFkk;1850788]Not, really. Desperately crowed on weekends, and even weekdays after 5 pm are so crowed more than Saturday at Oase. Men and women ratio is 20 and 1. Rooms waiting list is always full, you have to wait more 2 hours are normal. LU is thin after 9 pm Therefore GT is called "Day club".

GT LU? It is mixed with sharks and Palace with bigger scale. But, Top provider of GT is rarely seen all the day because they're booked with regular customer.

First time I visited was fed up with too many customer like there's no locker space, toilet line is 20 min long. I've seen more than 100 men and 3 or 4 women. It's called "Gay Time". Non-top provider is average looking as much as another club you find. If you avoid Gay Time, GT might be better than Artemis, but you can't avoid GT is sucks! 2 hours waits for room with average looking girl. Anyway if you are Newbie at GT, you'll be disappointed.

I've never been to Artemis before. I hope Artemis is much better that GT.[/QUOTE]If GT is as you described Artemis is much better LOL.

But Artemis used to be better before, now LU is getting more older, though LU is very diversified, so one just got to dig.

Nice report, FF.

I think the strong side of Artemis is that there are usually beautiful ebony girls for my taste which I consider harder to find at other FKKs.

[QUOTE=HessenBub;1850856]Well, at Artemis they fuck for 60. LOL.

HB.[/QUOTE]Correct! Capital surcharge +10 Euro.

[QUOTE=Guy93;1851001]Nice report, FF.

I think the strong side of Artemis is that there are usually beautiful ebony girls for my taste which I consider harder to find at other FKKs.[/QUOTE]There was a pretty domicican dark skinned girl and a few other ebonys.

[QUOTE=Pistons;1850853]Nice report, and I love your nick. But are you the Finnish fucker, the finnish Fucker? .[/QUOTE]I am both.

[QUOTE=FinnishFucker;1851006]I am both.[/QUOTE]But pray tell as you get older will you be a finished Fucker or will you only do some Scandinavian ladies boasting Finnish fucked?

Had the first visit to FKK in Berlin this weekend on Friday and was a busy night.

Over 100 punters and about 40 ladies.

However most men lazing around for hours drinking or sitting.

Some excellent lookers 8 plus and easy going.

Had 3 sessions with different girls from the continent Europe. A blond then brunette and lastly a threesome.

All great punts and you need to agree with each what they can do and not before going to throw rooms.

Have fun and worth a visit.

[QUOTE=Nash98;1851047]Had the first visit to FKK in Berlin this weekend on Friday and was a busy night.
Over 100 punters and about 40 ladies.
[/QUOTE]Last Friday 11.3 there must have been at least 70-80 working girls. And a lot of customers, it was a busy night indeed.

[QUOTE=FinnishFucker;1851225]Last Friday 11.3 there must have been at least 70-80 working girls. And a lot of customers, it was a busy night indeed.[/QUOTE]At peak weekends there can be 150 girls at one night at Artemis. But it goes up and down with the numbers between 70 and 150. When alot of people start comming again, the girls all call their friends and suddenly there are too many girls around again.

Thinking about checking out Artemis can anyone tell the the typical cost for a 30 minutes? With a girl.

[QUOTE=Nash98;1851047]Had the first visit to FKK in Berlin this weekend on Friday and was a busy night.

Over 100 punters and about 40 ladies.

However most men lazing around for hours drinking or sitting.

Some excellent lookers 8 plus and easy going.

Had 3 sessions with different girls from the continent Europe. A blond then brunette and lastly a threesome.

All great punts and you need to agree with each what they can do and not before going to throw rooms.

Have fun and worth a visit.[/QUOTE]What a waste of bandwidth. Put names in a report. Blonde or brunette doesn't really narrows it down.

[QUOTE=SharkBoi48;1851390]Thinking about checking out Artemis can anyone tell the the typical cost for a 30 minutes? With a girl.[/QUOTE]Entry including bathrobe, food an non-alcoholic drinks 80 Euro. 30 minutes sex 60 Euro. CIM 50 Euro, Anal 100 Euro. Shower and repeat.

I popped down to the big A on lingerie tag. It turned out to be a good Deutsche day.

I had two sessions.

First was Zoe. A heavily tattooed, red-haired Berlin babe. Great PSE performance.

Second was Nina. A very cute 19 year old spinner from Hamburg.

Both highly recommended.

[QUOTE=SharkBoi48;1851390]Thinking about checking out Artemis can anyone tell the the typical cost for a 30 minutes? With a girl.[/QUOTE]Well, entrance fee has already been mentioned: 80 euro.

60 euro gets you 30 min without extras (CIM, ANAL, Prostata massage or whatever other kinks you may have). Extras is usually 50 euro and Anal is 100 euro (and so is lesbian play). Not all girls allow everything so you may need to talk to her about that. What you absolutely and definitely should not do is try to haggle with girl. Prices are fixed and no matter how good your arguments are (or how much you think she should be grateful to be with you) - you pay the 60 euro per half hour.

Now if you want 1 hour session you will have to double the pay (60 min = 120 euro, 90 min = 180 euro, etc, etc.). You want threesomes (which is waste of money but whatever rocks your boat) you pay each girl. So two girls at same time for 30 min is 120 euro. Lesbian play costs extra. And if you want CIM from both girls, you pay them both. So CIM x 2, that is to say 100 euro.

And if the question "Have you been here before?" is answered to no = blood in water for Artemis sharks.

[QUOTE=SharkBoi48;1851390]Thinking about checking out Artemis can anyone tell the the typical cost for a 30 minutes? With a girl.[/QUOTE]Discussed on Artemis website in English and here 1000000 times. 30 minutes with boy costs more.

[QUOTE=VaeVictis;1851836]And if the question "Have you been here before?" is answered to no = blood in water for Artemis sharks.[/QUOTE]So what's your recommendation here then? Say yes and pretend? Say it was a long time ago?

I am planning my first trip there either this weekend or next so I need to know what not to do. Loving all the advice on the forum BTW, super useful!

[QUOTE=Dartanian100;1851956]So what's your recommendation here then? Say yes and pretend? Say it was a long time ago?

I am planning my first trip there either this weekend or next so I need to know what not to do. Loving all the advice on the forum BTW, super useful![/QUOTE]Don't worry about telling fibs. The girls will tell you they are from Spain when they are Romanian. Crazy as there is nothing wrong with Romanians! In fact they are my favourites in FKK clubs and they dominate a lot of them. The advice is correct. They don't know differently so just say. No I've been here several times before. When they ask when say last year. If they persist with saying they never saw you just say you didn't see her either! Truth is they prey on the inexperienced and think they can get away with some tricks. Of course this is tarring every girl with the same brush (wrongly). Some would be lovely but you might get unlucky and get a shark. There are quite a few in Artemis.

My advice to you (and I've been there 9 times. So not lots like many regulars but enough to know the ropes) is go in, pay your 80 on reception. Expect your bag to be searched if you have one to check you are not bringing your own booze into the club. One flight up take your robe / go to lockers. Buy drinks tokens at reception if you want beer / spirits (10 euros per ticket). Keep the plastic drinks tickets in your locker as you will lose them if you put them in the robe pockets (been there! Go into main bar, instead of looking at every girl and getting hounded, walk though to restaurant, and out to pool then back through, go downstairs to wellness area, have a look around and get your bearings in the club. Know that there are kino's both downstairs in wellness (next to the gym) and also on main floor by the bar. It's when the girls see you looking around as if you don't know where anything is that they assume you haven't been before. If asked just say you are looking round to see if anything changed since your last trip.

Lots of guys stand at the foot of the spiral staircase leading up to the rooms. It's much brighter than in the dark and smokey bar area. Good spot to view the best girls coming down from being busy in the rooms.

Have a blast. Artemis is a great club and Berlin is a great city. Have fun and report back on your trip including girls names. The forum benefits from members recounting their good and bad experiences with particular ladies.

[QUOTE=PayForIt;1852104]

Lots of guys stand at the foot of the spiral staircase leading up to the rooms. It's much brighter than in the dark and smokey bar area. Good spot to view the best girls coming down from being busy in the rooms.
[/QUOTE]Several reasons for standing there. 1) To check how long certain girls actually stay in the room with the customers. If she is back after 10 minutes, that is normally a bad sign. 2) To get away from the smoke. 3) Its the main intersection in the club, so if you look for a certain girl, its a good place to wait.

Thanks so much, really appreciated. I am super pumped up about going.

In terms of them preying on the inexperienced. What sort of things are they doing? I know about the up-selling and the trying to get you into a threesome. Anything else to look out for?

I look forward to writing my first report (well on this place at least).

[QUOTE=PayForIt;1852104]Don't worry about telling fibs. The girls will tell you they are from Spain when they are Romanian. Crazy as there is nothing wrong with Romanians! In fact they are my favourites in FKK clubs and they dominate a lot of them. The advice is correct. They don't know differently so just say. No I've been here several times before. When they ask when say last year. If they persist with saying they never saw you just say you didn't see her either! Truth is they prey on the inexperienced and think they can get away with some tricks. Of course this is tarring every girl with the same brush (wrongly). Some would be lovely but you might get unlucky and get a shark. There are quite a few in Artemis.

My advice to you (and I've been there 9 times. So not lots like many regulars but enough to know the ropes) is go in, pay your 80 on reception. Expect your bag to be searched if you have one to check you are not bringing your own booze into the club. One flight up take your robe / go to lockers. Buy drinks tokens at reception if you want beer / spirits (10 euros per ticket)..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Dartanian100;1852446]Thanks so much, really appreciated. I am super pumped up about going.

In terms of them preying on the inexperienced. What sort of things are they doing? I know about the up-selling and the trying to get you into a threesome. Anything else to look out for?

I look forward to writing my first report (well on this place at least).[/QUOTE]Don't be pushed into doing anything. The key thing is to take your time. Make yourself say no to the first 10 or 12 girls who approach you. Just smile, be polite and tell her not right now. If you're struggling to get rid of her just say that you've just come from the room and need to recover. If you find yourself regretting saying no, it's easy enough to go and find the girl again. Tell the girl what you want before you go to the room. Or at the start of the session.

You will get asked if it your first time. You have some choices. If you admit that it's your first time you must be prepared to get the hard sell on extras. You might get lucky and pick an honest girl. I used to say that I had attended other clubs so that the girls at least thought that I knew what I was doing.

I would also recommend saying no to extras. Unless you are particularly into anal or CIM, they are particularly bad value until you have established some sort of trust with a girl.

But don't stress about any of it. You might make some mistakes, but just learn from them and move on. I know I did.

[QUOTE=Dartanian100;1852446]In terms of them preying on the inexperienced. What sort of things are they doing? I know about the up-selling and the trying to get you into a threesome. Anything else to look out for?[/QUOTE]The annoying upselling has already been mentioned. Another thing is that girl is trying to charge you one hour for let us say 25 minutes (it may happen. Although rarely. I have experienced this kind of attempt when I first started visiting Artemis and only once).

The another rule, that few people mention, which is very important for people that have never visited establishment like this:

Don't ever start to think you have something special going on with a girl. Some of the girls are very good at making you feeling special, but in the of the day you are only a "preferred customer". This is something that I had fortune of learning early in this hobby by a nice girl, which explained to me how you make the customer come back and give you extra cash. This was repeated (although never in such honest and clear way) by few other girls I had sessions with.

Always treat girls with respect. But in the end this is only a business transaction just as any other.

Now why I am harping on this? Because new people to this hobby, upon reaching orgasm together with girl that fakes convincingly excitement over this, tend to go down to the locker and give away 25% - 50% of their Artemis budget to the girl in gratitude (tipping). I have seen this many, many times. Don't start tipping girls unless you have had 10 sessions and can reliably say that she had provided good service.

Well said. FKK is open for that sorta thing. After many sessions with many types of girls, you start noticing patterns.

WG can provide high illusion, and how the punter reponds, the girls will see it. Experienced girls have worked with enough punters to sense the vulnerabilities. It's work that high charm, with a lot if bullshitting works well with the right types that are able to take the bait.

I bet some of the most often mentioned girls likely falls in that catagory. People mention favs right? Specifically girls that got them hooked like a drug, that they can convince them to do all kinds of shit.

Guys talk about being nice, etc etc. I'm sure it's in the circle of the nice ones easily fall for stuff.

For whatever reason I wasn't able to go this week, so that makes next weekend a must. It just occurred to me that its Easter, are there going to be a lot less ladies there? I looked back at the forum but couldn't find an answer.

[QUOTE=Dartanian100;1854004]It just occurred to me that its Easter, are there going to be a lot less ladies there?[/QUOTE]Easter. A surprise, indeed. - IMHO there will be no lack of ladies. Note: there's an international soccer match in Berlin.

[QUOTE=Pharisaer;1854126]there's an international soccer match in Berlin.[/QUOTE]Its called football.

[QUOTE=Dartanian100;1854004]For whatever reason I wasn't able to go this week, so that makes next weekend a must. It just occurred to me that its Easter, are there going to be a lot less ladies there? I looked back at the forum but couldn't find an answer.[/QUOTE]Easter is not next week -- at least not for the Romanians as Romanians celebrate Orthodox Easter, not Western Easter. Orthodox Easter this year falls on May 1st, so there should be no drop-off in the Romanian contingent due to Western Easter next week.

But if you are going next week, in honor of Western Easter, it is appropriate to bring some small chocolates (not the cheap ones, or at least not cheap-looking ones) for your favorites for when you wish them Happy Easter.

Like so, they can have a little Easter preview. No chocolates to the sharky girls of course.

[QUOTE=Pistons;1854147]Its called football.[/QUOTE]Thanks a lot, Sir. I appreciate your very helpful hint. Guys, please note: that funny game is called football, not soccer. - Bye folks. I'm off from now.

[QUOTE=Pharisaer;1854177]Thanks a lot, Sir. I appreciate your very helpful hint. Guys, please note: that funny game is called football, not soccer. - Bye folks. I'm off from now.[/QUOTE]Your welcome. I truely enjoy helping out wherever I can in terms of information sharing. After all, they say a human being is the happiest when he learns something new. .

[QUOTE=Pharisaer;1854126]Easter. A surprise, indeed. - IMHO there will be no lack of ladies. Note: there's an international soccer match in Berlin.[/QUOTE]Soccer is only for US and Canada, for MLS. When it started, in UK, it was named football and then all over the World. US have their own football, Argentina, Europe, South Africa, NZ, Fidji, Samoa, Australia, even Japan now, have rugby.

Other sports than WGs to fuck.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;1854314]Soccer is only for US and Canada, for MLS. When it started, in UK, it was named football and then all over the World. US have their own football, Argentina, Europe, South Africa, NZ, Fidji, Samoa, Australia, even Japan now, have rugby.

Other sports than WGs to fuck.[/QUOTE]Germany has FKK league, that's all matter to me LOL.

[QUOTE=MrHo;1854870]Germany has FKK league, that's all matter to me LOL.[/QUOTE]So, FKK are your only sport? Just relaxing for my week ends, like driving about 30 000 kms in Germany per year, about 100 000 since my FKK discovery on end of 2012, but I need real sports for my holidays, so FKK are only for week end, not for holidays, as long my body can resist to pain from sports for real men. But I agree, Germans are the best for brothels with pretty Romanian girls and also for works on autobahns each kilometers.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;1854995]So, FKK are your only sport? Just relaxing for my week ends, like driving about 30 000 kms in Germany per year, about 100 000 since my FKK discovery on end of 2012, but I need real sports for my holidays, so FKK are only for week end, not for holidays, as long my body can resist to pain from sports for real men. But I agree, Germans are the best for brothels with pretty Romanian girls and also for works on autobahns each kilometers.[/QUOTE]Well I work out twice per week and jog daily, but when it comes to watching sport, I do not watch football or any sport really. I do like watching boxing when the match attract me and little UFC.

FKK and mongering is my only sport yes LOL; I love how you can seek sport partner in main bar area to perform the personal training upstairs in the room LOL.

I am not that much into Romanian girls, but some are hot yes and being young is plus because Artemis begin to have older dominating LU in recent years, so I hope management brush up LU a bit to make it more early 20's rather than later 20's or early 30's.

Artemis do charge more price, so I would love to see it with more younger LU like it once used to be. (I began in 2009/2010).

After two fairly disappointing Messe outings across Oase, Sharks, Mainhattan and Palace during IAA last September and Ambiente in February, I decided to skip the Frankfurt FKK clubs this time around during the recent Messe event last week and try my luck out at Artemis to scour for new talent. As it turned out, I made a good call as I discovered a super hot chick whilst there.

My last Artemis visit prior to last week was in early December of last year when I finally, after 2 years of near misses, got to fuck the delightful, slim bubble butt beauty Valesca (the half German / half African Rihanna lookalike babe). She was extremely good. I also got to fuck a Brazilian hotty by the name of Luisa who was a spitting image of Alexandra Daddario (the actress from San Andreas). Luisa has an amazing taut and tight PSE body, light brown hair, gorgeous eyes, soft white skin, delicious pussy and a fantastic pair of D cup sillies. An awesome fuck but she was absent last week. Anyone know where she went?

Arrived late afternoon on a Saturday and after an hour scouting the place spotted someone who at first I thought was possibly Eva / Janita from Bulgaria of Palace fame. I was so stoked as I haven't seen her in a while. Last I heard was that she had retired some time ago so initially was a bit confused as to why she was back. All was revealed as I went up to chat to her. It turned out that it was not Eva / Janita but a Romanian by the name of Amalia. I was gob smacked. I could swear that she was almost an exact doppelganger for Eva / Janita. Decided to take her to a room immediately and had a great time. Blond, big eyes, 6 pack abs, tanned, C cup sillies, firm butt and juicy pussy. What more could I ask for. After scoring, chatted a bit and I asked her if she knew Eva / Janita. She told me that they are Facebook buddies and back in the day when Eva / Janita was active, they used to work together acting out as twin sisters in threesomes. Wow, I wish I could go back in time and join them in those sessions back then.

After Amalia, I spotted another beauty. Brunette, beautiful face, slim and slightly tanned gazelle body with B- cups. She was wearing black framed glasses and a neon magenta netting type top with pussy exposed. The most amazing feature about her was her protruding nipples. They were at least half an inch in length and fuckin gorgeous. The only other person who had tits and nipples as beautiful as hers is Helli from FKK Sharks. I had to have her. It was a bit of a cat and mouse chase before I finally got to fuck this gorgeous girl as she was very popular and was booked solid with a lot of multi hour sessions. She goes by the name Evan and is Romanian but lives in Italy. Some guys might know her as Even or Heaven. Love to hear more about other forum members' experience with her as I rate her now as my main squeeze at Artemis. Sadly its going to be short lived though as she told me that she is thinking of quitting at the end of March.

Howie.

Thanks for the update Howie. Can I ask you if any of your amazing sessions with Valesca Luisa Amalia Evan were in the 30 min /60 e category? DFK included? Extras?

Only one I know is Valesca. Hot stuff.

I will be near Berlin next month. I went to Artemis about 3 years ago, and really, really enjoyed it. I wanted to know if the girls still walk around completely naked. Also, I wanted to know if it has any.

"sharks". When I was there last time, the girls were not very aggressive, and would only talk to you if you approached them. I like it that way.

Thank you in advance.

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[QUOTE=GTBoy1976;1856763]I wanted to know if the girls still walk around completely naked.[/QUOTE]Girls are obliged to walk around naked. But they usually put on some clothing, but they are not allowed to cover their pussy. An occasional girl may 'cover' her breast by a netted shirt.

[QUOTE=GTBoy1976;1856763]Also, I wanted to know if it has any "sharks".[/QUOTE]In large numbers. You might counter them with witty remarks or ask them to have a drink together first. Almost none of them will do that but if they do, you might have found a gem.

Have fun.

[QUOTE=GTBoy1976;1856763]I will be near Berlin next month. I went to Artemis about 3 years ago, and really, really enjoyed it. I wanted to know if the girls still walk around completely naked. Also, I wanted to know if it has any "sharks". When I was there last time, the girls were not very aggressive, and would only talk to you if you approached them. I like it that way.

Thank you in advance.[/QUOTE]If the girl doesn't know who you, you are tourist or (as in your situation= you are someone who drops in now and then, you will be approached and the girl will try to convince you to go to the room. Sometimes they will be insistent and aggressive about it if they don't get clear message (if you say later 4 times some of them still don't get the hint*) Yes there are sharks at Artemis and upsell happens. How often depends on the girl (some girls will try to sell you threesomes even if you have said no 1000 times before while others will never try to do that).

Interestingly if you are honest and say that you don't find them attractive, the hell will break loose. I have observed this many times. The girls I know well and who tell me "this and this customer I would never look at twice in street" get deeply offended if you state that you don't find them interesting.

[QUOTE=Dartanian100;1852446]In terms of them preying on the inexperienced. What sort of things are they doing? [/QUOTE]The girl promises to kiss you. In the room she say it is extra. She is not allowed to ask extra for kissing. So she asks you to make a proposition. End of story is that you get the kissing for extra (40 euro?) or no kissing.

Other girls promise to kiss. Once in the room they say they don't kiss anybody at all!

Girls change to low service level blowing if you don't want CIM.

Continuously changing to handjobs until you get tired of correcting them.

If you are in the room and there hasn't been oral (or intimate etc) sex then you can still go away without paying.

Theke will mostly take your side.

Once the girl has your dick inside her mouth or pussy you have to pay, no matter what.

So start with kissing first if you asked for that.

Was at Artemis some months back, and was talking to this German girl who look like a total porn star, dressed like one too (dessous day). Mega blond and crazy big sillies and some sort of leopard skin tattoo on her. Anyhow, I was just done with a session and was chatting her up while recovering. Quick call of nature and she had vanished into thin air with some fast moving guy. She did warrant some attention for sure.

Anyhow, anyone know who I am taking about? And if so. Is she all show or is there a PSE waiting to happen if I chance on her again?

[QUOTE=GTBoy1976;1856763]Also, I wanted to know if it has any. "sharks". When I was there last time, the girls were not very aggressive, and would only talk to you if you approached them. I like it that way.
[/QUOTE]Goodness yes, the place is crawling with them. They like to prey on guys in front of the lounge bar. Hide behind it, you can still have a good view of the girls from there. When approached, say "just got here" or "just recovering" if you want to fend them off. If you are tempted by the girl any reason, try to small talk for a few minutes. If she is a shark, she will be off hunting for other prey quickly, if not you may get lucky.

[QUOTE=JacoGillongo;1857125]The girl promises to kiss you. In the room she say it is extra. She is not allowed to ask extra for kissing. So she asks you to make a proposition. End of story is that you get the kissing for extra (40 euro?) or no kissing.

Other girls promise to kiss. Once in the room they say they don't kiss anybody at all!

Girls change to low service level blowing if you don't want CIM.

Continuously changing to handjobs until you get tired of correcting them.

If you are in the room and there hasn't been oral (or intimate etc) sex then you can still go away without paying.

Theke will mostly take your side.

Once the girl has your dick inside her mouth or pussy you have to pay, no matter what.

So start with kissing first if you asked for that.[/QUOTE]That's good list and a good explaination, and you hit the ones that contributes to the worst experiences (especially when something is promised, and no delivery). Also the intimate part locking in on the session.

Although you are not supposed to pay extra for kissing, that really doesn't stop girls from asking for it (this goes for other stuff than CIM and Anal as well). Like in form of GFE packages for example. Paying a bit of extra for get a girl to do more, and at the same time, the girl is guaranteed to get so much from you. As far as how good of a session you get from it, is to be found out, but probably more motivating for the girl to provide better services. So, this would be a case of, money motivating for better session. These are the types of girls that a guy looking for decent session with a 50, likely not going to get it.

Girls that do this, will try this on newbies from thinking that it's highest likelihood of them not knowing the pricing. They take a chance, and if it baits, they get it.

If stuff like this happens increasingly, and becomes more common, standards change, basic service level changes, etc.

Just out of curiosity, where have you run into these situations the most?

[QUOTE=VaeVictis;1857119]If the girl doesn't know who you, you are tourist or (as in your situation= you are someone who drops in now and then, you will be approached and the girl will try to convince you to go to the room. Sometimes they will be insistent and aggressive about it if they don't get clear message (if you say later 4 times some of them still don't get the hint*) Yes there are sharks at Artemis and upsell happens. How often depends on the girl (some girls will try to sell you threesomes even if you have said no 1000 times before while others will never try to do that).

Interestingly if you are honest and say that you don't find them attractive, the hell will break loose. I have observed this many times. The girls I know well and who tell me "this and this customer I would never look at twice in street" get deeply offended if you state that you don't find them interesting.[/QUOTE]
The clubs with high percentage of tourists, for these girls they are like bread and butter. They come so often, and chances are they are less inexperienced in dealing with pros. So, likely just easier to work them for extras, and then since they will not be attending as much, not much loss. Regular attenders, known, there are possibilities of steady income, and club gossips. Also, newbies do not know the reputation of the quick approachers. Have I missed anything? Or is there any reasons that has higher weight over the others?

[QUOTE=JacoGillongo;1857125]The girl promises to kiss you. In the room she say it is extra. She is not allowed to ask extra for kissing. So she asks you to make a proposition. End of story is that you get the kissing for extra (40 euro?) or no kissing.

Other girls promise to kiss. Once in the room they say they don't kiss anybody at all!

Girls change to low service level blowing if you don't want CIM.

Continuously changing to handjobs until you get tired of correcting them.

If you are in the room and there hasn't been oral (or intimate etc) sex then you can still go away without paying.

Theke will mostly take your side.

Once the girl has your dick inside her mouth or pussy you have to pay, no matter what.

So start with kissing first if you asked for that.[/QUOTE]If that happen with me, I reduce the time to 30 minute 60 euro session LOL This is only way we can retaliate or fuck her rough LOL.

Thank you for the advice. I will use it. I wasn't troubled by sharks too much on my first visit. Maybe I've been to enough clubs that I don't look like a tourist. One last item. Are there many Czech girls there? On my last visit I met a very pretty, sweet, Czech girl. I can't remember her name. But, she was very nice, and I had a great GFE with her. She took her time, and never stopped me, or never said,"That will cost you extra. " I did tip her well, but she kept saying that she liked me, and we had good chemistry. I'm sure many girls say that, but I had a great time with her.

Discussed many times. Need to just relax. Not such big deal. No need paranoia. Shark bait result from choice; just use common sense.

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2588-FKK-Artemis-Berlin&p=1435196&viewfull=1[/URL]#post1435196.

Also possible to tame - even real ones.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMMU6sJhnFM[/URL]

[QUOTE=GTBoy1976;1857245]Thank you for the advice. I will use it. I wasn't troubled by sharks too much on my first visit. Maybe I've been to enough clubs that I don't look like a tourist. One last item. Are there many Czech girls there? On my last visit I met a very pretty, sweet, Czech girl. I can't remember her name. But, she was very nice, and I had a great GFE with her. She took her time, and never stopped me, or never said,"That will cost you extra. " I did tip her well, but she kept saying that she liked me, and we had good chemistry. I'm sure many girls say that, but I had a great time with her.[/QUOTE]It is a bit of a double-barreled question that you ask. So I will elaborate a bit on this one.

If you still know the name of the girl, ask the theke. Theke will answer one or two questions from you but not too many. Usually by 20:00 she definitely knows whether a girl will still show up or not. You might try to call them and tell them which day you are coming. I never did that with Artemis, so I don't know whether it works. You might go through the gallery of the Artemis website and see if you recognize her. But beware: girls change over time. Sometimes drastically.

If you are looking for a true GFE than looking for any Czech girl is not going to help you. Better try to remember how you met her and try to repeat that. If you want to pay for GFE you might start to have a drink and tell her you will pay for her time while drinking. I know of someone who did this, but I wouldn't take that risk. If a girl talks with you for more than 10 minutes without asking for sex than you are much closer to a GFE.

I have not met many Czech girls at Artemis. One was sweet, another was gorgeous but wanted very much money for small extras.

So the answer to your central question is No. There's not that many Czech girls.

One more thing from the previous question: asking for a trio is a sign of low service. I always counter it with telling that I only do trios when I have been in a room with one of the girls before and that was good and that girl is vowing for her friend. Such girls don't exist because they will not share a good customer with their friend.

And most telling: with quite some experience at Artemis I still have lousy sessions every now and then but I always have at least one session that keeps my head spinning for at least one day after.

"But I agree, Germans are the best for brothels with pretty Romanian girls and also for works on autobahns each kilometers".

For many years it was too old girls in Artemis. What do you traveling guys, who like the same as me, think is the best FKK?

[QUOTE=Dick1;1857525]"But I agree, Germans are the best for brothels with pretty Romanian girls and also for works on autobahns each kilometers".

For many years it was too old girls in Artemis. What do you traveling guys, who like the same as me, think is the best FKK?[/QUOTE]I think most guys in here would say either sharks or oase at the moment. But I hear living room is supposedly good too. For me its oase because I find the girls there prettier and I like the mirrored rooms, but I do understand those who say sharks too, as it dees have its plusses. Such as the food, more relaxed and bigger atmosphere (its like 10-12 meters under the ceiling. Old warehouse) and the cluub looks very fresh. And on average girls are maybe slightly less sharky than at oase. But its a person to person thingy. Both clubs have average ages at around 23 I think (if you exclude one 60 year old at sharks). While at Artemis it is more like 27.

[QUOTE=NookyNinja;1851934]Discussed on Artemis website in English and here 1000000 times. 30 minutes with boy costs more.[/QUOTE]Hahaha Glorious response!!

[QUOTE=Pistons;1857577]I think most guys in here would say either sharks or oase at the moment. But I hear living room is supposedly good too. For me its oase because I find the girls there prettier and I like the mirrored rooms, but I do understand those who say sharks too, as it dees have its plusses. Such as the food, more relaxed and bigger atmosphere (its like 10-12 meters under the ceiling. Old warehouse) and the cluub looks very fresh. And on average girls are maybe slightly less sharky than at oase. But its a person to person thingy. Both clubs have average ages at around 23 I think (if you exclude one 60 year old at sharks). While at Artemis it is more like 27.[/QUOTE]I did not find Oase to be good service providing club, sharks was promising. Living room? Is that the one near Düsseldorf? Is LU of Living room good and young? How is that club?

Artemis is definitely getting LU because some girls are there for over 5 years. And getting too many silicone and tattoo pro looking girls that makes LU of Artemis no different to regular working girl house LU. It is shame because Artemis used to have more diverse LU with girls also.

Better you ask in the Living room. Kaarst thread I think.

Well in terms of LU I have about 6-7 go to girls at oase who are all 8+ in my book and all give great service to me at least (at sharks I only know about 2-3 girls in total that was 7 or 8 and other punters I met there complained too about the LU). I hear one or two of them get mediocre reviews from others here, but others provide good to most if not all I believe. In addition I have backups that try to flirt with me sometimes. Maybe I have a good rep at the club. I don't know at other clubs my rep is not that good perhaps. It could be a personal thing with a club as a whole. You know the girls talk just as much about us as we talk about them.

At artemis the girls probably talk the most of us out of any clubs. Experienced girls does that haha... :)

Who are the 8+? Which girls look good and provides great services?

Well the thing is that I don't like to say that openly here because the girls talk, and may apply pressure on the providers and make them afraid to provide... they also read the forums...

[QUOTE=PussyLiccker;1858146]Who are the 8+? Which girls look good and provides great services?[/QUOTE]Solo....Soledad. Englisch teecher also.

[QUOTE=Pistons;1858140]Better you ask in the Living room. Kaarst thread I think.

Well in terms of LU I have about 6-7 go to girls at oase who are all 8+ in my book and all give great service to me at least (at sharks I only know about 2-3 girls in total that was 7 or 8 and other punters I met there complained too about the LU). I hear one or two of them get mediocre reviews from others here, but others provide good to most if not all I believe. In addition I have backups that try to flirt with me sometimes. Maybe I have a good rep at the club. I don't know at other clubs my rep is not that good perhaps. It could be a personal thing with a club as a whole. You know the girls talk just as much about us as we talk about them.

At artemis the girls probably talk the most of us out of any clubs. Experienced girls does that haha... :)[/QUOTE]So Oase or Artemis for you then.

Oase, I went once, I got mixed opinion, I had one good service provider and I had another real bad service provider from Hungary, good looking girl though.

Artemis has the most diverse LU, but they need to get more younger girls soon. With not much tattoo and silicones. It is getting too much.

What happening to other big FKK that was supposed to open in potsdam? Competition to Artemis is needed to level up the quality of LU.

Well, I have yet to explore NRW, so don't take my word on what's the best in Germany.

[QUOTE=Pistons;1859203]Well, I have yet to explore NRW, so don't take my word on what's the best in Germany.[/QUOTE]You are like me, NRW is the only area I have not went in Germany for FKK and I am interested to go.

I hear it is good, but most FKK there are difficult to access.

Had a wonderful visit a few weeks ago. I did three sessions over two visits; the first with Romanian Elena (big naturals). Next with Bulgarian Kim, and lastly with Venezuelan Mariah. All three were really friendly and fun. No upselling. Got lucky, I guess. I've discovered that I get really good service if I approach them, rather than the other way round. And I get even better service if I approach a gal who has been sitting around for a while without any customers. It helps to hang around the lounge for a while to suss things out. Let's me get adjusted too! One question, though: has anyone ever seen any of the girls in the downstairs pool? I relaxed in there for a while, hoping perhaps that someone would join me. No luck. Just a few friendly smiles as they strolled by. And on Wednesdays (lingerie day), do they still wrap towels around themselves when they go into the eating area? I'm going to go next Wednesday, so I guess I'll find out myself. Lastly, and this is a weird concern of mine, but if you guys leave the club intending to return, do you take your locker key with you? It occurs to me that someone could easily take the key when they leave, and then come back days later and rob some poor guy's possessions. Or if a key isn't returned at the end of the night, does the management change the lock? Hope so!

[QUOTE=Dutedrac;1855825]Thanks for the update Howie. Can I ask you if any of your amazing sessions with Valesca Luisa Amalia Evan were in the 30 min /60 e category? DFK included? Extras?

Only one I know is Valesca. Hot stuff.[/QUOTE]Hey Dutedrac,

Only Valesca is all inclusive for 30 min/60 euro. The other three requires a minimum of 1 hour before they start to open up with DFK, DATY, etc.

To other Artemis veterans.

Can anyone confirm if Romanian Evan/Even/Heaven has followed through and called it quits? I'll be back in Artemis in late May or early June and keen to see her again and hope she was bluffing. Also anyone seen Brazilian Luisa recently. Love to fuck her again too. Those two have the most gorgeous pussies that I've experienced.

Thanks.

Howie.

[QUOTE=BizPilot11;1859382]Lastly, and this is a weird concern of mine, but if you guys leave the club intending to return, do you take your locker key with you?[/QUOTE]No. You always have to leave the key. When you come back you will get a new locker.

Wish I could see even / heaven only once more but as I know she left around 2 years ago and left for good. If anyone knows anything else I'll be happy to read.

[QUOTE=BizPilot11;1859382]One question, though: has anyone ever seen any of the girls in the downstairs pool? I relaxed in there for a while, hoping perhaps that someone would join me. No luck. Just a few friendly smiles as they strolled by. And on Wednesdays (lingerie day), do they still wrap towels around themselves when they go into the eating area?[/QUOTE]They'll never use the pool downstairs, maybe the one outside during summer days, I think that theoretically the bar downstairs should be a man only area but you may encounter some girls there while they are hunting some sleeping boys.

When a girl wear a towel is a sort of sign that she's doing a break and she's out of business so they all aways have a towel on the dinner area.

Not sure if I broke a rule. Just checking to see if anyone has been with Mariella lately. Really liked her the time I went to Artemis.

[QUOTE=Magicm;1859770]No. You always have to leave the key. When you come back you will get a new locker.[/QUOTE]Generally, the front desk will advise you. They ask me to leave the rob locked in the locker and clear the valuables safety box. You then hand them the key and make you sign log. When you return you tell you are Mr. X and you get the ket back.

The procedure is a little different if they are really busy like a conference at the Messe. In that case they may get you to clear locker and safety box and get reallocated on return with the same sign in. They will sometimes warn that their may not be a locker available when you come back in which case you have to wait until customers leave.

Either way talk to them at the front desk and they will not re admit you if they think you are drunk.

[QUOTE=MrHo;1859350]You are like me, NRW is the only area I have not went in Germany for FKK and I am interested to go.

I hear it is good, but most FKK there are difficult to access.[/QUOTE]Not true. The two best ones GT / LR (who advertise here, support them LOL!) take everyone. Just show up early on the weekends. Definitely before 3 p on Fri.

Is hotel ibis the closest hotel to Artemis? Is there a hotel that is within walking distance that doesn't require a bus / train? Ibis seems to require a bus for part of the route. I know the street Artemis is on is a heavily traveled and busy road making walking near impossible.

[QUOTE=MaxSquatter;1861635]Is hotel ibis the closest hotel to Artemis? Is there a hotel that is within walking distance that doesn't require a bus / train? Ibis seems to require a bus for part of the route. I know the street Artemis is on is a heavily traveled and busy road making walking near impossible.[/QUOTE]I booked with RS apartment which is 18 min walk according to Google map. The rate is e70 for May 9 and 10.

[QUOTE=MaxSquatter;1861635]Is hotel ibis the closest hotel to Artemis? Is there a hotel that is within walking distance that doesn't require a bus / train? Ibis seems to require a bus for part of the route. I know the street Artemis is on is a heavily traveled and busy road making walking near impossible.[/QUOTE]Artemis is within a short walking distance from the city train station (S-Bahn) "Westkreuz", so if your hotel is close to any S-Bahn station in Berlin, you are close to Artemis.

But you are right that the road to Artemis is very busy: take good care because it is full of people walking and jogging!

[url]https://goo.gl/maps/jmPmzXqpZbC2[/url] This Google Streetview shows you the bicycle and foot-path.

[QUOTE=Action22;1861607]Not true. The two best ones GT / LR (who advertise here, support them LOL!) take everyone. Just show up early on the weekends. Definitely before 3 p on Fri.[/QUOTE]Not sure if Mr Ho meant to get into (which would be access of course) or travel to. I've never been to GT and it does look like a pain to get to other than by car but LR is very easy to get to from central Dusseldorf. I have read in these forums that there can sometimes be (disgraceful) policies of only allowing caucasians into clubs. If that is true (and I hope it is not) then nobody should be supporting those clubs anyway.

[QUOTE=PayForIt;1861857]Not sure if Mr Ho meant to get into (which would be access of course) or travel to. I've never been to GT and it does look like a pain to get to other than by car but LR is very easy to get to from central Dusseldorf. I have read in these forums that there can sometimes be (disgraceful) policies of only allowing caucasians into clubs. If that is true (and I hope it is not) then nobody should be supporting those clubs anyway.[/QUOTE]I never been to Dusseldorf area FKK, but I hear it is good, but I also hear / read some guests has been refused to enter due to how they look, also access seems hard as well.

Either way, I never had any problem to get in to or any problem in any FKK I have been to. Both management and guests are all friendly and nice, so they must have looked bit alarming or something?

[QUOTE=MrHo;1861893]
Either way, I never had any problem to get in to or any problem in any FKK I have been to. Both management and guests are all friendly and nice, so they must have looked bit alarming or something?[/QUOTE]Don't be so sure.

Bear in mind that Dusseldorf has a significant Japanese population and this may work both ways for you as a visitor to a FKK-club.

[QUOTE=GTBoy1976;1857245]Thank you for the advice. I will use it. I wasn't troubled by sharks too much on my first visit. Maybe I've been to enough clubs that I don't look like a tourist. One last item. Are there many Czech girls there? On my last visit I met a very pretty, sweet, Czech girl. I can't remember her name. But, she was very nice, and I had a great GFE with her. She took her time, and never stopped me, or never said,"That will cost you extra. " I did tip her well, but she kept saying that she liked me, and we had good chemistry. I'm sure many girls say that, but I had a great time with her.[/QUOTE]I think the most prominent Czech girl at Artemis might be Nicole. Tallish blonde, wonderful breasts, and specialist for the CIM experience. Have not been there in a while, so I don't know if she is currently working. Had many meetings with her, and can definitely recommend Nicole.

[QUOTE=MaxSquatter;1861635]Is hotel ibis the closest hotel to Artemis? Is there a hotel that is within walking distance that doesn't require a bus / train? Ibis seems to require a bus for part of the route. I know the street Artemis is on is a heavily traveled and busy road making walking near impossible.[/QUOTE]I've stayed at the Concorde which is further than the Ibis, no problems walking back around 5:00 in the morning with pavement / sidewalk all the way.

In the other direction there's the Kronprinz; too expensive for me.

Other side of the motorway there's the Avus; reachable by an underpass.

[QUOTE=Ararat;1862062]Don't be so sure.

Bear in mind that Dusseldorf has a significant Japanese population and this may work both ways for you as a visitor to a FKK-club.[/QUOTE]Yeah, I will check it out one day, I have been to Düsseldorf, but not to FKK there LOL.

I got to check it out.

As far as I know, we do not cause problem in general though.

[QUOTE=Schauer;1862150]I think the most prominent Czech girl at Artemis might be Nicole. Tallish blonde, wonderful breasts, and specialist for the CIM experience. Have not been there in a while, so I don't know if she is currently working. Had many meetings with her, and can definitely recommend Nicole.[/QUOTE]I miss Marketa, but she is long gone now.

[QUOTE=BizPilot11;1859382] One question, though: has anyone ever seen any of the girls in the downstairs pool? I relaxed in there for a while, hoping perhaps that someone would join me. No luck. Just a few friendly smiles as they strolled by. [/QUOTE]No, lots of guys like to hang around the pool area to recover between sessions, so none of the girls seem to go fishing.

Though I agree the idea is appealing. The saunaclub in Prague is a much smaller FKK, but they do have a jacuzzi right in the lounge area. When I have been there I have often been chilling there watching naked girls strolling by. I have often been joined by girls chatting and them stroking my dick while sitting in the jacuzzi, I like that. Not to mention the Sauna with glass walls on 4 sides. Have seen guys getting BJs in there.

How is the outside life at Artemis going now that the warmer weather is here? Are the girls swimming in the pool? Bbq? Considering a visit in June.

Will be visiting Berlin in July, and Artemis might just be the place to finish off my long-awaited virginity to white girls.

My concern is. How will I be received as a young Asian guy on his late 20's going to the club alone? Any comment / advise / recommendation would be appreciated.

Cheers,

MGLBB

[QUOTE=MGLbadboi;1862995]Will be visiting Berlin in July, and Artemis might just be the place to finish off my long-awaited virginity to white girls.

My concern is. How will I be received as a young Asian guy on his late 20's going to the club alone? Any comment / advise / recommendation would be appreciated.

Cheers,

MGLBB[/QUOTE]Many girls love Asian clients. They find them less demanding than the usual European customer. That being said, unfortunately, many girls will also try to take advantage of you since Asians are generally less informed about FKK pricing rules, conflict adverse and generally more trusting towards the girls taking whatever she says for truth. I also discovered that girls are trying more often to fool Asians about time being spent in the room. So take a watch with you.

I had recent experience where German girl boasted of making an Asian pay the double rate for his time in the room. Which I find disgusting and I hope you don't encounter such girls.

[QUOTE=MGLbadboi;1862995]Will be visiting Berlin in July, and Artemis might just be the place to finish off my long-awaited virginity to white girls.

My concern is. How will I be received as a young Asian guy on his late 20's going to the club alone? Any comment / advise / recommendation would be appreciated.

Cheers,

MGLBB[/QUOTE]It's a brothel! If you pay the girls they go with you unless you are unclean and / or hideously looking. I'm 56 years old and girls started talking to me within 10 minutes of arriving (and that time included me undressing and showering).

As a guy in his late 20's, if anything, you'll get too much attention and will be spoiled for choice.

And being "alone" is no problem. Most men there are on their own.

[QUOTE=MGLbadboi;1862995]Will be visiting Berlin in July, and Artemis might just be the place to finish off my long-awaited virginity to white girls.

My concern is. How will I be received as a young Asian guy on his late 20's going to the club alone? Any comment / advise / recommendation would be appreciated.

Cheers,

MGLBB[/QUOTE]I am 55 years old east Asian dude, Never have any problem in FKK. Just relax and have fun man!

[QUOTE=MGLbadboi;1862995]Will be visiting Berlin in July, and Artemis might just be the place to finish off my long-awaited virginity to white girls.

My concern is. How will I be received as a young Asian guy on his late 20's going to the club alone? Any comment / advise / recommendation would be appreciated.

Cheers,

MGLBB[/QUOTE]You won't have any problems, other than smelling out the occasional shark. Enjoy!

[QUOTE=MaxSquatter;1862676]How is the outside life at Artemis going now that the warmer weather is here? Are the girls swimming in the pool? Bbq? Considering a visit in June.[/QUOTE]On a very hot day maybe, but they have to fix their hair and make up afterwards so not many would do it.

Mostly you'll see naked men lying around the pool.

[QUOTE=MGLbadboi;1862995]Will be visiting Berlin in July, and Artemis might just be the place to finish off my long-awaited virginity to white girls.

My concern is. How will I be received as a young Asian guy on his late 20's going to the club alone? Any comment / advise / recommendation would be appreciated.

Cheers,

MGLBB[/QUOTE]Oh man you are shark meat! Artemis is not a place for newbies (no matter race) the girls smell newbie blood. They will eat you alive.

After saying this you can ally with me or another Jedi master, to show you the robes. The girls know me and even that they are trying to upsell or get me to the rooms.

Thanks for all the input guys. I will keep in mind of those sharks who will approach me with the thinking that I can be an easy prey for them.

I will be new to FKK clubs and white girls, but I am relatively experienced with the mongering scene in general. I feel like I've been really down on luck, and very under appreciated in my part of the world, and figured I should look for excitement elsewhere. So I do really hope my first experience with white girls will turn out to be a special one, and I will do all the necessary studies in advance, so that I can make it harder for those who intend to exploit on me.

In any case, I don't mind having encounters with sharks either. I think such experiences can be fun, and for me personally the most interesting thing is trying out a new place for the very first time, as there will be excitement, curiosities and worries. And all these can usually add up to a nicer experience than sex itself.

Cheers.

MGL BB

[QUOTE=NilleCopenhagen;1864120]Oh man you are shark meat! Artemis is not a place for newbies (no matter race) the girls smell newbie blood. They will eat you alive.

[/QUOTE]Nah, Artemis is fine for a newbie as long as said newbie is aware of what awaits him. I was a newbie when I visited Artemis for the first time and had no problems. You just have to be firm with the girls that you aren't interested in. Simple.

[QUOTE=MGLbadboi;1864271]Thanks for all the input guys. I will keep in mind of those sharks who will approach me with the thinking that I can be an easy prey for them.

I will be new to FKK clubs and white girls, but I am relatively experienced with the mongering scene in general. I feel like I've been really down on luck, and very under appreciated in my part of the world, and figured I should look for excitement elsewhere. So I do really hope my first experience with white girls will turn out to be a special one, and I will do all the necessary studies in advance, so that I can make it harder for those who intend to exploit on me.

In any case, I don't mind having encounters with sharks either. I think such experiences can be fun, and for me personally the most interesting thing is trying out a new place for the very first time, as there will be excitement, curiosities and worries. And all these can usually add up to a nicer experience than sex itself.

Cheers.

MGL BB[/QUOTE]You can never be prepared for your virgin FKK club and this is your first white chick experience, uff, as I said Artemis is not for newbie, you should practice on smaller club first. The girls at Artemis are pro and trained man hunter.

Either you hunt or being hunted. If don't care about money, just try out as many girls as possible, no matter sharks or not, then you will gain fast experiences. Learning by fucking! Just a warning once you enter the FKK world, there is not turning back, "you can check in any time, but you can never leave".

[QUOTE=DethManRulz;1864583]Nah, Artemis is fine for a newbie as long as said newbie is aware of what awaits him. I was a newbie when I visited Artemis for the first time and had no problems. You just have to be firm with the girls that you aren't interested in. Simple.[/QUOTE]I never said no to any girls, because I want to have the back door open, LOL.

I wonder how you guys decides who the 'sharks' are at Artemis though. Previously I've heard some say the sharks are those who walks around hunting for guys. But at Artemis everyone except a short few does that. And perhaps contrary to some other clubs, some of the 'walkers' can be the least sharky in the room. Like mandy, brianna, aksena (or pretty much the whole bulgarian group), the two spanish girls there (names?), Ella (and the other russians who are there occationally) etc. Artemis is awfully nationalistic. Pretty much every single non rom / ger are excellent in the rooms. But with germans you thread in a minefield (hamburg group? Although some of them are ok I guess), and same with the romanians. 50% can be risky upsellers / average providers. How they walk, or actually how much they talk to you have absolutely nothing to do with service.

[QUOTE=Pistons;1864595]I wonder how you guys decides who the 'sharks' are at Artemis though. Previously I've heard some say the sharks are those who walks around hunting for guys. But at Artemis everyone except a short few does that. And perhaps contrary to some other clubs, some of the 'walkers' can be the least sharky in the room. Like mandy, brianna, aksena (or pretty much the whole bulgarian group), the two spanish girls there (names?), Ella (and the other russians who are there occationally) etc. Artemis is awfully nationalistic. Pretty much every single non rom / ger are excellent in the rooms. But with germans you thread in a minefield, and same with the romanians. 50% can be risky upsellers / average providers. How much they walk, or actually how much they talk to you have absolutely nothing to do with service.[/QUOTE]A tute isn't a shark just because she walks around. In my view, that's what she's supposed to be doing! The truth is that I rarely ever approach the girls in a German FKK. I don't have to. They present themselves to me in a steady stream, and I choose who I want to go with. If I don't want her, I politely say "thanks but no thanks". If there's some interest, then I talk to her some to see where it can go. The only time I approach a girl is if I see one I just got to have! Otherwise, I expect the tutes to come to me, and they do. Of course, this won't work in non-approach clubs, but I don't frequent any of those. No, "sharkiness" is more about an attitude of trying to get over on a monger. Lying about the price and / or time. Constant upselling and over-promising. Two girls hitting you up at once trying to get you to buy a dupla and making all kinds of promises you know they won't keep. Sometimes it can be a little difficult to describe because it's often a "vibe" that a seasoned monger picks up on that just comes with experience. But, that vibe definitely shouldn't arise just because a girl is walking around looking for business. She's supposed to be doing that. Rather, the issue is "how" she goes about doing that. That's what defines whether she's a shark or not. And of course, after awhile a sharky girl's reputation will proceed her.

Today is a big Razzia at Artemis. News indicate that Artemis maybe will be closed (tomorrow). Better tomorrow first phone Artemis before go there.

[URL]http://m.morgenpost.de/berlin/article207422185/900-Beamte-bei-Gross-Razzia-im-Bordell-Artemis-in-Halensee.html[/URL]

HB.

[QUOTE=HessenBub;1865025][URL]http://m.morgenpost.de/berlin/article207422185/900-Beamte-bei-Gross-Razzia-im-Bordell-Artemis-in-Halensee.html[/URL]

HB.[/QUOTE]Waouh! Sad to read this. But it should happen one day.

Thanks HB. Not just a simple tax and illegal workers raid then.

Other clubs will have to be even more careful to prove that the existence of workers' rotas, agreed start and finishing times etc cannot be seen as evidence of the non self employed status of workers, or even of people trafficking. Not sure how far the authorities can push it as many self employed people agree working patterns in advance at their place of work when using a facility provided by others.

Of course the authorities have also been getting increasingly assertive against "Rockers" and their violence in Berlin.

220 people in the building. That sounds like a lot to me but what do I know. 900 staff from the authorities sounds like a real waste of time unless this is something really major.

Some of the Germans here may want to translate this part:
Nach Ansicht der Ermittler arbeiten die Prostituierten in dem Etablissement nicht selbststndig. Sie knnten ber ihre Ttigkeit nicht frei entscheiden. Vielmehr seien sie nach den Ergebnissen der Ermittlungen strikten Regeln und "Dienstplnen" unterworfen, sodass auf ihre Einnahmen von den Bordellbetreibern Sozialabgaben entrichtet werden mssten, hie es.

Looks like the authorites aren't buying that the girls are independents...

Those types of shift plans, agreed upon pricing lists etc can easily be seen as proof of employment. In your example below there would typically exist a contract in one form or another but that's impossible for a FKK. Don't forget that the entire official business model is based on independent girls.

[QUOTE=Optimist;1865033]Thanks HB. Not just a simple tax and illegal workers raid then.

Other clubs will have to be even more careful to prove that the existence of workers' rotas, agreed start and finishing times etc cannot be seen as evidence of the non self employed status of workers, or even of people trafficking. Not sure how far the authorities can push it as many self employed people agree working patterns in advance at their place of work when using a facility provided by others.

Of course the authorities have also been getting increasingly assertive against "Rockers" and their violence in Berlin.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Ararat;1865040]Those types of shift plans, agreed upon pricing lists etc can easily be seen as proof of employment. In your example below there would typically exist a contract in one form or another but that's impossible for a FKK. Don't forget that the entire official business model is based on independent girls.[/QUOTE]Exactly my point. They can easily but not NECESSARILY be proof of employment. It depends on details and the intricacies of domestic tax and employment law.

I think we are about to find out a lot about the inner workings of the clubs after this razzia. I'm honestly thinking that this is the first nail in the coffin of the FKK-model (and the new law is of course expected to provide more of that). I don't share the laissez faire attitude of others here, at least not after today.

[QUOTE=Optimist;1865042]Exactly my point. They can easily but not NECESSARILY be proof of employment. It depends on details and the intricacies of domestic tax and employment law.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Lookoflove7;1865031]Waouh! Sad to read this. But it should happen one day.[/QUOTE]I do not know German. Does it mean Artemis close for ever or just close one day after raid? I have my trip planed in early May. Hope it will not cause headache.

[QUOTE=HessenBub;1865025][URL]http://m.morgenpost.de/berlin/article207422185/900-Beamte-bei-Gross-Razzia-im-Bordell-Artemis-in-Halensee.html[/URL]

HB.[/QUOTE]I feel like our way of life is under siege. Can anybody provide a succinct but comprehensive interpretation of this article? I don't speak or read German.

Not the final nail in the coffin. Just police work as I am sure they have some undercover punters around sniffing out if there is something unordinary. Reminds me of what happened in Stuttgart Paradise though.

One wonders how long this will put Artemis out of action. Perhaps for a very long time. Sounds like it was a pretty major operation.

RIP Artemis as we know it.

900 policement sounds a bit extreme yes. What did they expect to meet? Some enclave full of hells angels / romanian mafia alliance armed with guns? I think it will return, but they will have to meet newer stricter laws. Especially the tax evasion part is of key concern I think. And they want to know that the girls work on their own. Wonder how they can enforce that part though.

As long as LU is more or less same quality and service provided is the same, I want Artemis re-open again ASAP.

However, 23 million euro to be paid by Artemis is large sum of money. I think there maybe owner change.

Do you think it going to put Artemis to be totally different club? I mean most girls are independent girls in Artemis and they were happy.

I wonder when it will be reopen and will it be the same?

From another article it looks like the Berlin SWAT team was on standby just in case. An operation that's been planned since last year is no routine ID check. Not only Artemis but 16 addresses around Berlin were searched.

My German is far from perfect but it looks like the point of the razzia is that Artemis is guilty of tax evasion since the girls are actual employees. They are employees because there are shift plans and rules for them. That can of course be debated (and has been here) but if we are realistic I believe must of us understand that the girls aren't totally free to do what they want. This will very interesting and could have consequences for other clubs.

[URL]http://m.morgenpost.de/berlin/article207423363/Grossrazzia-Hunderte-Beamte-stuermen-Bordell-Artemis.html[/URL]

[QUOTE=Pistons;1865131]900 policement sounds a bit extreme yes. What did they expect to meet? Some enclave full of hells angels / romanian mafia alliance armed with guns? I think it will return, but they will have to meet newer stricter laws. Especially the tax evasion part is of key concern I think. And they want to know that the girls work on their own. Wonder how they can enforce that part though.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Ararat;1865045] I'm honestly thinking that this is the first nail in the coffin of the FKK-model (and the new law is of course expected to provide more of that). I don't share the laissez faire attitude of others here, at least not after today.[/QUOTE]I do not see that. Artemis had very strict and many rules and that may be seen as a proof of employment. Less rules, less problems for the club. Other clubs do have less rules, they also had their raids (smaller scale but same issues) and they are still open. When I was at World during a raid all the questions the tax department guys asked the girl where around the topic of self employment or not.

HB.

[QUOTE=Pistons;1865131]900 policement sounds a bit extreme yes. What did they expect to meet? Some enclave full of hells angels / romanian mafia alliance armed with guns? I think it will return, but they will have to meet newer stricter laws. Especially the tax evasion part is of key concern I think. And they want to know that the girls work on their own. Wonder how they can enforce that part though.[/QUOTE]It was not really about tax evasion by the girls. They have little room to evade taxes as most of them will be taxed on a lumpsum basis "per working day". The FKK notes their presence and takes a certain pre-agreed sum from them and pass that to the tax authorities.

The major thing in this raid (if I understood the news articles well) is about evasion of social security dues. The authorities seem to have build a strong case against Artemis. If Artemis is held to be the girls' employer it has failed to pay huge amounts of social security dues, pension plan payments, workers compensation premium, .

And while being there, they also checked for narcotics trafficking, pimping, money laundering, membership of criminal gangs, tax evasion, illegal aliens, .

Those who know their history will remember that Al Capone was finally put in jail for tax evasion and not for his many murders.

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1865186]It was not really about tax evasion by the girls. They have little room to evade taxes as most of them will be taxed on a lumpsum basis "per working day". The FKK notes their presence and takes a certain pre-agreed sum from them and pass that to the tax authorities.

The major thing in this raid (if I understood the news articles well) is about evasion of social security dues. The authorities seem to have build a strong case against Artemis. If Artemis is held to be the girls' employer it has failed to pay huge amounts of social security dues, pension plan payments, workers compensation premium, .

And while being there, they also checked for narcotics trafficking, pimping, money laundering, membership of criminal gangs, tax evasion, illegal aliens, .

Those who know their history will remember that Al Capone was finally put in jail for tax evasion and not for his many murders.[/QUOTE]I like the current ownership, he run the club well and is nice guy, but tax thing can alter the ownership of the club. 23 million euro is hardcore sum to pay.

I just hope LU won't change that much as my favorite are there.

Plus, many girls do not tell their family about their job, so I hope this raid won't reveal their job at Artemis to girls family as that means / most likely no more of their presence in Artemis.

It is difficult to finish when you are surrounded by 900 servicemen and SWAT. Several months of investigation and trial. I doubt Artemis will reopen. 23 million Euro or prison for the Simsek brothers. NRW and Hessen next. Thank you for the memories.

Beautiful Mille from Cologne, I will miss you.

[QUOTE=Ararat;1865045]I think we are about to find out a lot about the inner workings of the clubs after this razzia. I'm honestly thinking that this is the first nail in the coffin of the FKK-model (and the new law is of course expected to provide more of that). I don't share the laissez faire attitude of others here, at least not after today.[/QUOTE]No cause for alarm. Prostitutes and punters are witnesses, not accused. The accusation is tax evasion by the owners, in part because the prostitutes are allegedly self-employed but de-facto they are employees of the establishment. There are raids like this all the time at construction sites, also often involving eastern-European workers. The Pussy Club in Heidelberg experienced something similar a while back. Did this in any way hurt honest clubs? No.

Once when I was at Mettmann, some people from the town council came by for a routine inspection. No problem.

Note that for many (most? All?) serious crimes, if there is a believable accusation, the state is required to investigate.

[QUOTE=Zimmerbaby;1865199]It is difficult to finish when you are surrounded by 900 servicemen and SWAT. Several months of investigation and trial. I doubt Artemis will reopen. 23 million Euro or prison for the Simsek brothers. NRW and Hessen next. Thank you for the memories.

Beautiful Mille from Cologne, I will miss you.[/QUOTE]Seriously? I hope it will re-open next week or even today. Is it open today?

I hope they won't goto jail, I only met younger one, but he seemed very nice guy and manage the girl well.

I hope it affect LU in positive way with more younger German girls than eastern Europeans who has been there for ages and are over 30 years old.

I don't know what to say about this.

I guess I was lucky I booked my next FKK trip to Frankfurt instead of Berlin.

I started my FKK career at Artemis and have so many good memories about it.

What if Artemis does not reopen? No FKK in Berlin?

[QUOTE=Guy93;1865220]I don't know what to say about this.

I guess I was lucky I booked my next FKK trip to Frankfurt instead of Berlin.

I started my FKK career at Artemis and have so many good memories about it.

What if Artemis does not reopen? No FKK in Berlin?[/QUOTE]I think it will re-open, but with different ownership. I mean can the brother pay 23 million euro?

Also it will re-open because Merkel knows she need FKK Artemis to attract some tourists, this is true LOL.

FKK Artemis is one of main tour attraction of Berlin and I think government knows that, they just do not admit this.

[QUOTE=Guy93;1865220]I don't know what to say about this.

I guess I was lucky I booked my next FKK trip to Frankfurt instead of Berlin.

I started my FKK career at Artemis and have so many good memories about it.

What if Artemis does not reopen? No FKK in Berlin?[/QUOTE]I know what to say about this: we are fucked in Berlin LOL.

[QUOTE=Zimmerbaby;1865199]It is difficult to finish when you are surrounded by 900 servicemen and SWAT. Several months of investigation and trial. I doubt Artemis will reopen. 23 million Euro or prison for the Simsek brothers. NRW and Hessen next. Thank you for the memories. Beautiful Mille from Cologne, I will miss you.[/QUOTE]American authorities have used these same tactics to shut down strip clubs around the country. As I said, our way of life is under siege!

Well I think some of us here on the forum has a pretty good idea about how this will turn out. As we probably have discussed things around this with the girls (me included).

Now one thing I do wonder is if employment like this is regarded as pimping. And if that will criminalise the owner. As far as I can tell, that could be the main problem here. Well, that and the money. Now, question is if somebody wants to buy Artemis and take over the club. Sounds like it is over and out for mr. Turkey.

Translated from Der Spiegel. The equivalent to Time Magazine in the US.

Raid in major Berlin brothel investigators speak of systematic exploitation.

After the raid on Berlin's largest brothel "Artemis" the prosecutor's office has details on the allegations mentioned. And speaking of organized crime. This is about evasion of social security contributions, exploitation and violence, said chief prosecutor Andreas Behm.

The focus would not only be petty, but deeds, which confirmed the "system of illegal environment". The women had been "kept and exploited a function". The operation was based on organized crime.

Behm made a comparison with the Mafia gangster Al Capone in Chicago of the Twenties. He had been charged with tax evasion, although the actual crime had played on a much more massive level.

"Certainly not violent".

According to investigators, there are direct links between the "Artemis" and the criminal motorcycle gang Hells Angels. Police, customs office and tax police assume that the brothel prostitutes were supplied by members of the Hells Angels.

The band had the "Artemis" operators with directly mediated women, in return, the rockers have enjoyed among others free admission, said chief prosecutor Sjors Kampstra. These contacts were "certainly not violent" expired. A woman was "so maltreated" was that she saw no way out but to call the police.

The women had not worked independently, but were dependent busy shared with the investigators. This is the pension insurance "cheated conservatively estimated at 17.5 million euros," said Michael Kulus from Berlin Hauptzollamt. Then there is the accusation of tax evasion.

The prostitutes were prescribed according to investigators working hours, prices and sexual practices. The arrested housekeepers had enforced the tight control system in everyday life. Therefore, I'm also the "classic red light offense of directing pimping" into consideration. Also, because trafficking is being investigated.

"You manage the crime and implement them".

According to prosecutors and police six "in charge of the brothel society 'Artemis' were arrested on Wednesday night, two operators and four so-called housekeeping establishment. In addition, assets had been seized in the value of 6. 4 million euros, including hundreds of thousands of euros in cash, cars and real estate.

96 prostitutes were previously interviewed. Overall, the police have found 232 people in the raid. 900 policemen, customs officers and prosecutors were on Wednesday evening and in the night to Thursday in use.

The prostitutes interviewed have admitted described conditions in the "Artemis" in large part, said prosecutor Michael Stork. "We can expect a confirmation of the alleged offense. " Many of the more than one hundred encountered Stringer had the system largely confirmed.

The adult women come Attorney Kampstra According mostly from Eastern Europe, Russia and Arab countries. About the arrested operators Kampstra said: "They are not the ones that get their hands dirty, they manage the crime and implement them. " Given the extensive seized documents and computer stand investigators now a Sisyphean task before before charges could be levied.

The "Artemis" was opened in 2005, in a multi-story former warehouse building in western Berlin on the highway near the fair grounds. Operation with saunas and swimming pool advertises aggressively in public. Advertising there were among other taxis and a few years on the buses of the Berlin Transport Authority (BVG). The company argued at the time: "The transport is not the moral guardian. " 2013 ended the BVG but this advertising.

I was planning to visit Artemis next week for 4 days and suddenly realised from the forum that there is a problem. Is it realy shut down for a non obvious time and what would the forum members comment the line up will go and any suggestions for alternative trip. Thanks.

Forget about Artemis next week. Lots of brothels in Berlin with better service. Create your own FKK Berlin. Nude thermas, amazing international restaurants, brothels, partytreffs, sexkinos. For FKKs, Frankfurt and NRW.

I have just arrived to see for myself. I'm happy to report the club is open! I don't know for how much longer though.

The parking lot feels likea post-apocaliptic film set.

What a tragedy about the raid. I hope everything stays open. Let us know how things look inside / which girls you see please.

[QUOTE=Nebula2001;1865344]I have just arrived to see for myself. I'm happy to report the club is open! I don't know for how much longer though.

The parking lot feels likea post-apocaliptic film set.[/QUOTE]

I think greed was the main reason for what has happened. They charged by far the most expensive entry fee in Germany for providing terrible food and mediocre facilities. Girls charged the most expensive extras as well. At the same time they probably were mainly concerned about filling their pockets and preventing other clubs in Berlin from opening to avoid competition, rather than paying their fair share of taxes.

The food was ok and the facilities were great. Even had a gym, two pools. They had the most to offer in terms of layout and amenities. A big city tends to charge higher prices. Whether they were trying to prevent competition in an underhanded way I don't know but this is really a shame. I cannot believe the number of police vehicles used for this raid. As if it was some type of terrorist scene. Really sad how the western world is circling the drain in terms of basic civil liberties and freedom. Tragic.

[QUOTE=Sanuk327;1865389]I think greed was the main reason for what has happened. They charged by far the most expensive entry fee in Germany for providing terrible food and mediocre facilities. Girls charged the most expensive extras as well. At the same time they probably were mainly concerned about filling their pockets and preventing other clubs in Berlin from opening to avoid competition, rather than paying their fair share of taxes.[/QUOTE]

[URL]http://www.welt.de/politik/deutschland/article154368595/Berliner-Grossbordell-Artemis-droht-die-Schliessung.html[/URL]

Translated:

After the raid on the major Berlin brothel " Artemis " the trade office of the district of Charlottenburg-Wilmersdorf strives for a closure of the establishment. On the fly, the necessary procedures are, however, not enforcable, said Borough Councillor Marc Schulte (SPD) .

The restaurant concession should be revoked and the operation of Artemis prohibited. Also opinions of the operators would have to be sought for, so Schulte. How long this process of closure need to be enforced is unclear.

If I understand correctly. RIP Artemid.

From the BBC.

[URL]http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-36043834[/URL]

[QUOTE=Sanuk327;1865389]They charged by far the most expensive entry fee in Germany for providing terrible food and mediocre facilities.[/QUOTE]Overcooked potatoes. That may explain the huge number of servicemen. 900 incl SWAT team and the closing of Halenseestrasse causing major traffic jam in Charlottenburg.

[QUOTE=Zimmerbaby;1865452]Overcooked potatoes. That may explain the huge number of servicemen. 900 incl SWAT team and the closing of Halenseestrasse causing major traffic jam in Charlottenburg.[/QUOTE]Even BBC reflected: [URL]http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-36043834[/URL].

[QUOTE=SauOnkel;1865419]
If I understand correctly. RIP Artemid.[/QUOTE]You understand correctly. The authorities will find a pretext to close it. Period.

Let's see. It is open today. Even though the ŞI'mşek brothers have been arrested.

HB.

Anyone going there today or soon? I'd like to know if the girls are going to try to stay or if they are planning their escape?

I would expect a huge influx of Artemis girls in the large clubs in hessen / nrw now. I really doubt the 'independent' girls will stay and await this in Berlin at least. Even if I can see this ending up in someone buying and taking over Artemis. Starting anew etc...

Would be nice if we try to keep up to date on where they end up here on the forums though...

Agreed. I'd love to know where Mariella will be. She was my favorite. And sadly I never see her mentioned on here.

[QUOTE=Pistons;1865480]I would expect a huge influx of Artemis girls in the large clubs in hessen / nrw now. I really doubt the 'independent' girls will stay and await this in Berlin at least. Even if I can see this ending up in someone buying and taking over Artemis. Starting anew etc...

Would be nice if we try to keep up to date on where they end up here on the forums though...[/QUOTE]

How did 900 cops fit into that building? Not to mention male guests and gals already there.

[QUOTE=Jnpr30;1865522]How did 900 cops fit into that building? Not to mention male guests and gals already there.[/QUOTE]That must have been one big circle jerk. 900 cops. Who was serving and protecting the rest of Berlin?

FiddyCent.

[QUOTE=FiddyCent;1865528]That must have been one big circle jerk. 900 cops. Who was serving and protecting the rest of Berlin?

FiddyCent.[/QUOTE]900 cops! Give me a fucking break! Devote those same resources to breaking down the terrorist sleeper cells around Europe. Then somebody might be impressed! Instead, they send 900 cops to terrorize a bunch of naked tutes that the cops themselves want to fuck (and some probably have)!

[QUOTE=Nebula2001;1865344]I have just arrived to see for myself. I'm happy to report the club is open! I don't know for how much longer though.

The parking lot feels likea post-apocaliptic film set.[/QUOTE]It is open? Really? Wow please let us know if it is as usual with same LU, service etc?

[QUOTE=HessenBub;1865471]Let's see. It is open today. Even though the ŞI'mşek brothers have been arrested.

HB.[/QUOTE]Kenan got arrested?

How does he going to pay 23 million euro? He will be bankrupt unless he has secret account aside offshore.

Maybe the name came up in Panama document LOL.

[QUOTE=TheCane;1865533]900 cops! Give me a fucking break! [/QUOTE]Oh wow Cane! All non stop huh? I didn't know you had them all booked just for yourself :p.
I feel sore just by thinking about it ;(
LOL!

On the other hand, I get why they got so pissed of and arrested the owner. Thats alot of meat to satisfy in one night! Surely some of them must have been disappointed.

[QUOTE=MrHo;1865535]It is open? Really? Wow please let us know if it is as usual with same LU, service etc?[/QUOTE]Now that I spent a good 8 hours, yes, it really is open. (For how long, I obviously can't say.) Some girls went away because of the initial shock, but the attendance was not very bad really. The reception desk was getting "are you open?" calls all day.

Service seemed the same as well.

[QUOTE=Nebula2001;1865559]Now that I spent a good 8 hours, yes, it really is open. (For how long, I obviously can't say.) Some girls went away because of the initial shock, but the attendance was not very bad really. The reception desk was getting "are you open?" calls all day.

Service seemed the same as well.[/QUOTE]Wow, thank you for the info.

I assumed some girls would go away as they hide that they work there from family and friends, and obviously this bust will bring a lot of hear and raise awareness of the girls.

I guess, it will be open as it is and remain the same because come on, there are no wrong doing beside tax issues and the club was manage properly with good management team.

I wonder how LU get affected by this incident though.

[QUOTE=Ararat;1865470]You understand correctly. The authorities will find a pretext to close it. Period.[/QUOTE]I seriously hope not. Best FKK club I have been to in Germany as I have argued many times. Great facilities, food is ok but not great and I have always had great sessions there. Don't know why it was selected but spoke to someone connected with the German police today and was told this was the first of several of these raids which will not be restricted to Berlin. No idea why this one was targeted first. Worrying. Might not just be the end of Artemis. Real respect to those ISG members who still went today. Well done. Hope it survives. No FKK in the best City in Germany would be a real disaster.

My reaction? I feel like I have lived through this before.

"I'm shocked, shocked to find that gambling is going on in here!"

[URL]https://youtu.be/nM_A4Skusro[/URL]

900 cops does seem insane. I don't know how accurate that was. Did someone really count all 900 of them, or did that info come from the police themselves?

And what information were they trying to gather? If it is tax issues, what were they hoping to find at the club? It is unlikely there is a lot of hidden documents inside that club, most likely would be in some accountant or attorney office somewhere else. If it is to gather evidence from some girls, why 900 cops?

I can't believe that media and others are not asking more critical questions. Sending 900 cops seems like a gross abuse of customer rights not to mention the ridiculous traffic jams that might have happened. If it is illegal, tell us why it is illegal and shut it down. If it is legal, let it be. Don't bother paying customers who come there but did nothing wrong. It is clearly a harassment, and at a minimum lot of wasted money that those guys paid to get in.

[QUOTE=Jnpr30;1865618]900 cops does seem insane. I don't know how accurate that was. Did someone really count all 900 of them, or did that info come from the police themselves?

And what information were they trying to gather? If it is tax issues, what were they hoping to find at the club? It is unlikely there is a lot of hidden documents inside that club, most likely would be in some accountant or attorney office somewhere else. If it is to gather evidence from some girls, why 900 cops?

I can't believe that media and others are not asking more critical questions. Sending 900 cops seems like a gross abuse of customer rights not to mention the ridiculous traffic jams that might have happened. If it is illegal, tell us why it is illegal and shut it down. If it is legal, let it be. Don't bother paying customers who come there but did nothing wrong. It is clearly a harassment, and at a minimum lot of wasted money that those guys paid to get in.[/QUOTE]I guess Popo wanted to send messages to FKK across Germany.

Personally, I feel all the mega FKK I have been to were managed properly.

It is other type of clubs Popo are supposed to attack and not club like Artemis.

However, Popo wanted to send message, so attacking bigger one make bigger front line.

I wonder what the owner going to do about 23 million euro to be paid to fed though.

Other big FKK owners in different cities must be busy today to prepare themselves for more possible attack by German Popo.

I never thought Popo is going to threaten my life style. I never thought all these Rap artist are right about Popo.

I also hope not but am not surprised if there will be more raids. Instead of sticking heads in the sand it is better to be realistic. This goes for raids and the new law. This combined points to that the German authorities have had enough.

[QUOTE=PayForIt;1865576]I seriously hope not. Best FKK club I have been to in Germany as I have argued many times. Great facilities, food is ok but not great and I have always had great sessions there. Don't know why it was selected but spoke to someone connected with the German police today and was told this was the first of several of these raids which will not be restricted to Berlin. No idea why this one was targeted first. Worrying. Might not just be the end of Artemis. Real respect to those ISG members who still went today. Well done. Hope it survives. No FKK in the best City in Germany would be a real disaster.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Ararat;1865651]I also hope not but am not surprised if there will be more raids. Instead of sticking heads in the sand it is better to be realistic. This goes for raids and the new law. This combined points to that the German authorities have had enough.[/QUOTE]I think it was just showcase intimidation campaign as it periodically happens in US with Korean massage parlors. Number of police involved confirmed for me the spectacle character of this event. After certain period of time most places return to normal, but not all. Since it is Berlin and event received international coverage, Artemis may be shut forever. I will watch closely for news from NRW / Hesse where most clubs are located.

In Germany Popo let refugee attack girls in Cologne train station, but Popo do not let legit FKK to be operated? Come one German Popo be rational.

Remember the [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] of Cologne station, not Westkreuz legit operation.

[QUOTE=Jnpr30;1865618]900 cops does seem insane. I don't know how accurate that was. Did someone really count all 900 of them, or did that info come from the police themselves?

And what information were they trying to gather? If it is tax issues, what were they hoping to find at the club? It is unlikely there is a lot of hidden documents inside that club, most likely would be in some accountant or attorney office somewhere else. If it is to gather evidence from some girls, why 900 cops?

I can't believe that media and others are not asking more critical questions. Sending 900 cops seems like a gross abuse of customer rights not to mention the ridiculous traffic jams that might have happened. If it is illegal, tell us why it is illegal and shut it down. If it is legal, let it be. Don't bother paying customers who come there but did nothing wrong. It is clearly a harassment, and at a minimum lot of wasted money that those guys paid to get in.[/QUOTE]All very valid questions and points. I cannot believe it really was 900 either. Not that many police responded to the Hebdo attack or the Brussels Airport attack. These things can get exaggerated. However it is beyond question that a lot of police attended. Why on earth was that necessary? 10 would have been enough. Who was going to challenge them? No customer would have started fighting! Ditto the girls. So just a complete waste of publicly paid servicemen. You make another excellent point that in Germany none of this is illegal. So why the need for the police at all? If this was really whole scale annoyance at what happens in these clubs 900 police could have attended 100 clubs across the country. What about other clubs were there are gang bangs? Surely they are more socially concerning to the authorities? I cannot help but draw a conclusion that the police targeted the owners of this particular club for some reason. That still does not explain either the unnecessary volume of officers attending, nor why the club wasn't closed down. A large brothel in Spain was closed 5 years ago due to drugs. Could this have been a factor? I'd be surprised here. I've never been offered them in this club I'm glad to say but I'm sure it does happen in all clubs. All very odd. Just hope it survives.

For such a huge number, there must have been a VVIP in there or someone they've been yearning for.

We all know that there's connections from 81 ers deep into the business and also into Artemis. We also know the strict rules Artemis has or had for the girls: fixed schedules, prices, hours / days they had to work, service standards, medical check ups, no escort, no meeting of clients outside the club etc. This attracts tax authorities as all these points are questioning the self employment. So probably the tax violations will stand up in court, trafficking and pimping probably will not.

HB.

[QUOTE=HessenBub;1865713]We all know that there's connections from 81 ers deep into the business and also into Artemis. We also know the strict rules Artemis has or had for the girls: fixed schedules, prices, hours / days they had to work, service standards, medical check ups, no escort, no meeting of clients outside the club etc. This attracts tax authorities as all these points are questioning the self employment. So probably the tax violations will stand up in court, trafficking and pimping probably will not.

HB.[/QUOTE]All this sound very much like good for both girls and clients to me LOL, but German authority do not like legit club who check girls medically, there was a in house medical doctor, proper working hour to follow etc.

Artemis is one of the most legit club I went in Germany and I was never offered drugs in there or saw anyone doing it or face any negativity in there beside girl up selling once in a while. Girls upsell because they work for themselves, it is normal that us clients and girls both follow the house rule.

I just can't see Artemis continuing as it was.

The grand theatre of this raid and the following press conferences were staged for maximum exposure.
There was a huge effort involved, so it must be a huge problem, right?

How would these authorities look if the club ended up trading as before? Can't believe they'd let that happen.

[QUOTE=HessenBub;1865713]We all know that there's connections from 81 ers deep into the business and also into Artemis. We also know the strict rules Artemis has or had for the girls: fixed schedules, prices, hours / days they had to work, service standards, medical check ups, no escort, no meeting of clients outside the club etc. This attracts tax authorities as all these points are questioning the self employment. So probably the tax violations will stand up in court, trafficking and pimping probably will not.

HB.[/QUOTE]Why Artemis with the big raid is the question. There are many clubs in other regions have "standards" or strict requirements(under the radar or not) as you would point out, and I suspect requiring some girls to work according to a schedule. Although girls are claimed independant, they are wholistically not. The clubs have some sort of managers that work with the girls. Like World for example with that lady who used to manage the girls Oase that lays down the rules. Even when she was around at Oase back in the days, rules were stricter. Back then, it was pretty straightforward to talk about the daytime shift of girls, and night. Also, Mauro's talk with the girls about what the girls are required to do, it rules imposed on the girls.

So, this kind of stuff is nothing new.

As for standards. GT has lately kicked out some girls due to customer complaints. Which is due to non-compliance to club "standards. ".

Every club in De has standards. The rates per half hour, pricing for official extras etc. Why would they be considered standards? If the customers are able to bring up the standard pricing when it comes to conflicts, that means there is some standards there.

Of course, the websites states the girls are independent contractors, but the degree of their independence depends on the club. But, I suspect there are many more clubs that girls are not totally independent in the respect of schedules, and etc. It's due to girls living on the club's premises, and for that reasons of those girls come in earlier which I have heard from girls. Likely those types would get exploited when it comes to the scheduling.

The entry fees I question also. Although much been talked about how significant the amount girls must pay for daily entry, does every girl be able afford the entry is a question, or even net to make some profit on a regular basis.

This article points out the link to the biker gangs (Hell's Angels), which IMO isn't totally surprising. I bet Artemis, Paradise, Palace, etc. Are the club that has some sort of biker gang back support. There are other clubs like World, etc. That has been mentioned of that in addition.

[url]http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/04/14/german-mega-brothel-linked-to-hells-angels-raided-by-police-in-b/[/url]

So basically pimping has the relationship to the biker gang. Them being suppliers of some of the girls, and it is pointed out that those are the ones that some girls work with.

GT has been mentioned of the discriminating door policy, and the staff typically block out certain types especially Arab types. Often been mentioned Arabs, and they mention these biker gang types as being Arab.

Given Artemis was the one that hit with the big raid is likely because it's a huge club with a significant revenue, and suspicion of tax evasion is the biggest no no for government to take action. They want their due. All this reason of trafficking (non-independence) and etc. Are reasons enough to justify their raid, but realistically it's about the taxes avoidance. On top of that, the "social security" amounts they were due for girls not being totally independent as the club would claim.

I have seen websites stating pimping is legal in Germany, and question what is the meaning behind that. Given, the authorities demand the "social security" taxes of girls not being totally independent, that means clubs in a way is a procurer direct (Hell's) or indirect way (the rules).

This goes to show that the girl independance from the club claim is a reason to avoid further taxing(social security).

I guess one reason for such a big raid could be explained with the warrants they've had, but still excessive.

[QUOTE=ShoesAndSocks;1865722]I just can't see Artemis continuing as it was.

The grand theatre of this raid and the following press conferences were staged for maximum exposure.
There was a huge effort involved, so it must be a huge problem, right?

How would these authorities look if the club ended up trading as before? Can't believe they'd let that happen.[/QUOTE]It was open today.

[QUOTE=HessenBub;1865713]We all know that there's connections from 81 ers deep into the business and also into Artemis. We also know the strict rules Artemis has or had for the girls: fixed schedules, prices, hours / days they had to work, service standards, medical check ups, no escort, no meeting of clients outside the club etc. This attracts tax authorities as all these points are questioning the self employment. So probably the tax violations will stand up in court, trafficking and pimping probably will not.

HB.[/QUOTE]What is 81 ers?

[QUOTE=PussyLiccker;1865735]Why Artemis with the big raid is the question. There are many clubs in other regions have "standards" or strict requirements(under the radar or not) as you would point out, and I suspect requiring some girls to work according to a schedule. Although girls are claimed independant, they are wholistically not. The clubs have some sort of managers that work with the girls. Like World for example with that lady who used to manage the girls Oase that lays down the rules. Even when she was around at Oase back in the days, rules were stricter. Back then, it was pretty straightforward to talk about the daytime shift of girls, and night. Also, Mauro's talk with the girls about what the girls are required to do, it rules imposed on the girls.

So, this kind of stuff is nothing new.

As for standards. GT has lately kicked out some girls due to customer complaints. Which is due to non-compliance to club "standards. ".

Every club in De has standards. The rates per half hour, pricing for official extras etc. Why would they be considered standards? If the customers are able to bring up the standard pricing when it comes to conflicts, that means there is some standards there.

Of course, the websites states the girls are independent contractors, but the degree of their independence depends on the club. But, I suspect there are many more clubs that girls are not totally independent in the respect of schedules, and etc. It's due to girls living on the club's premises, and for that reasons of those girls come in earlier which I have heard from girls. Likely those types would get exploited when it comes to the scheduling..[/QUOTE]I think police wanted to get Artemis owners for tax evasion among other charges. And make the whole thing look evil and get public to be on the side of police and prosecutors, they exaggerate the whole thing and about the club.

Artemis is one of the most safest and well managed club I went in Germany and girls were happy in there, but many media write it as some kind of horrible evil brothel, which Artemis is not.

Also owner liked flashy life style and in any country, if you live flashy life style, it catches tax authorities attention which they did and as a result of that is this raid and also, they seemed to lost most or all of their luxury asset:

"To help settle the bill, police said they had confiscated 6. 4 million euros in cash, cars and property, also including 12 apartments and other premises in Berlin and nationwide."

I wonder if the owner can pay back 23 million euro to state. It looks like they have to sell Artemis. , which means new owner soon.

[QUOTE=PayForIt;1865679]All very valid questions and points. I cannot believe it really was 900 either. Not that many police responded to the Hebdo attack or the Brussels Airport attack. These things can get exaggerated. However it is beyond question that a lot of police attended. Why on earth was that necessary? 10 would have been enough. Who was going to challenge them? No customer would have started fighting! Ditto the girls. So just a complete waste of publicly paid servicemen. You make another excellent point that in Germany none of this is illegal. So why the need for the police at all? If this was really whole scale annoyance at what happens in these clubs 900 police could have attended 100 clubs across the country. What about other clubs were there are gang bangs? Surely they are more socially concerning to the authorities? I cannot help but draw a conclusion that the police targeted the owners of this particular club for some reason. That still does not explain either the unnecessary volume of officers attending, nor why the club wasn't closed down. A large brothel in Spain was closed 5 years ago due to drugs. Could this have been a factor? I'd be surprised here. I've never been offered them in this club I'm glad to say but I'm sure it does happen in all clubs. All very odd. Just hope it survives.[/QUOTE]I agree, 900 police is not necessarily, I mean Artemis security could not even stop 3 or 4 Russian clients going crazy in the club few years ago LOL.

I think police wanted to use this as advertisement that they are doing something sometimes, but when German get raped in cologne station.

[QUOTE=HessenBub;1865713]We all know that there's connections from 81 ers deep into the business and also into Artemis. We also know the strict rules Artemis has or had for the girls: fixed schedules, prices, hours / days they had to work, service standards, medical check ups, no escort, no meeting of clients outside the club etc. This attracts tax authorities as all these points are questioning the self employment. So probably the tax violations will stand up in court, trafficking and pimping probably will not.

HB.[/QUOTE]Authority has very weak ground for this. Plus it is normal for brothel to have rules not just girls, but we men also have to follow.

PL: I think you are spot on there. I was once told by one of the Abdul girls that she switched between the 3 clubs (Artemis, Paradise and Palace) because it was the same owner. I was a bit baffled by that comment because I was pretty sure they had different owners. Oh well.

So I think this might just pour over to paradise and palace, but not much further... then again paradise had a raid not too long ago also. Might be related...

Personally I hope they take out that group, because the girls they got (those I think they supplied) were the worst girls in service in all the fkk's I've been to. Plus they've sold their soul to the devil (arab abdul biker gang? Makes me laugh), so they are lost to me...

Not to mention the rumors of the drugs being provided to some girls which hurts the girls. Especially paradise, but I've had a hunch artemis and palace havent been totally free from drugs either...

Artemis is the very last brothel in a country where commercial sex is legalized that I would ever have expected to be raided!

Given that apparently 900 police officers were involved, is there also an element of having a 'Spectacular' to sway opinion and ease the introduction of the proposed new prostitution reform laws, including the insane compulsory condom aspect!

The Greens are put in a bind now if they wish to object!

[QUOTE=MrHo;1865719]Artemis is one of the most legit club
Authority has very weak ground for this
Artemis is one of the most safest and well managed club I went in Germany
[/QUOTE]Three statements that you have no way of knowing with the information presented. I understand it sucks if your favorite club disappears but I'm sure that you don't have the whole picture of what authorities know and what there intentions are. My two cents are that the authorities are after HA and they see Artemis as a way to get close. The club will be closed for a while and then start up with new management and owners. Will it be same? Probably not.

[QUOTE=FiddyCent;1865528]That must have been one big circle jerk. 900 cops. Who was serving and protecting the rest of Berlin?
[/QUOTE]Telegraph article clearly mentions that they are going after Hells Angels. Money trail is hardest to hide. Article even cites the below quote from the Berlin chief prosecutor:

Investigators focused on tax evasion charges "like they did with Al Capone".

For most gangs, prostitution is the second most profitable trade next to drugs. But most gangs favor prostitution, because they can operate in the background with less exposure and risk of prosecution. They are trying to cripple the gang by cutting off their money supply. Money that could otherwise be re-invested into drugs and weapons. So in that sense, prosecutors believe they are serving the public. But yes, 900 cops is overkill.

An article in the London edition of The Guardian newspaper:

[URL]http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/apr/15/hells-angels-brothel-raided-by-900-officers-say-german-police[/URL]

I think the Club will be open once they've got their tax money back and put those they've targeted away. Probably under new management or something. This raid doesn't suddenly make FKKs illegal in Germany!

[QUOTE=McAdonis;1865897]Telegraph article clearly mentions that they are going after Hells Angels. Money trail is hardest to hide. Article even cites the below quote from the Berlin chief prosecutor:

Investigators focused on tax evasion charges "like they did with Al Capone".

For most gangs, prostitution is the second most profitable trade next to drugs. But most gangs favor prostitution, because they can operate in the background with less exposure and risk of prosecution. They are trying to cripple the gang by cutting off their money supply. Money that could otherwise be re-invested into drugs and weapons. So in that sense, prosecutors believe they are serving the public. But yes, 900 cops is overkill.[/QUOTE]They, but Spanish police with co-operation with German police raided their Majorca base of hells angel few years ago according to news papers, but whether hells angel came into club or not, owner brothers are not in hells angel. So I do not know why police has to conduct major raid like Artemis is owned by hells angel because it is not and as far as I know there are no tie to them.

I guess police wanted get hells angel for years and along the way they came to find the witness (the girl who tipped police off, who broke up with hells angel BF) who are dumb enough to tip the police off and she worked in Artemis, so police decided to get both and make it into big case as their major media advert operation.

Plus tax evasion is also good thing for police and authority to get public on their side.

I mean some media was comparing Artemis owner with Al Capone. The owner of Artemis is not exactly mafia, at least one of them is nice guy, who run the club well and clean. So again media is creating some bigger illusion to get readers interest. And this is not true story.

It is scary how one day to another German government can put a guy into 23 million euro debt.

[QUOTE=MrHo;1865760]What is 81 ers?[/QUOTE]81 = Hells Angels.

[QUOTE=MrHo;1865784]Authority has very weak ground for this. Plus it is normal for brothel to have rules not just girls, but we men also have to follow.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MrHo;1865719]
Artemis is one of the most legit club I went in Germany and I was never offered drugs in there or saw anyone doing it or face any negativity in there beside girl up selling once in a while. Girls upsell because they work for themselves, it is normal that us clients and girls both follow the house rule.[/QUOTE]You don't get it. It's not about being legit or if rules are necessary or not. It's about tax evasion. Authorities point is that girls were not self employed but employees of the club. If they can prove this the club will have to pay millions. Still prostitution is legal, girls and guests were just witnesses and not accused.

HB.

[QUOTE=MrHo;1865977]

It is scary how one day to another German government can put a guy into 23 million euro debt.[/QUOTE]German government doesn't put anybody into debt. There will be a trial (probably) and then they will come to a decision.

HB.

[QUOTE=MrHo;1865977]They, but Spanish police with co-operation with German police raided their Majorca base of hells angel few years ago according to news papers, but whether hells angel came into club or not, owner brothers are not in hells angel. So I do not know why police has to conduct major raid like Artemis is owned by hells angel because it is not and as far as I know there are no tie to them.
[/QUOTE]Prostitution, drugs, and organized crime are generally interlinked. Not uncommon for criminal organizations to have "legitimate" business men run their "legitimate" businesses. Article mentions trafficking. If Artemis knew about this and didn't report it, they could be held accountable--especially if the WG's are under the legal age. Also a large percentage of the WG's at Artemis are probably "property" of HA.

[QUOTE=Sybarite2006;1865898]

I think the Club will be open once they've got their tax money back and put those they've targeted away. Probably under new management or something. This raid doesn't suddenly make FKKs illegal in Germany![/QUOTE]So is the club now closed? Whilst that would seem natural and obvious there were reports of it being open the next day and some (brave) customers going in. Does anybody know? I was due to be further south next week but if the club is open I would like to try to get there. Not so much because of the LU (whatever is left of it) but to support it. I like this club. I am saddened that this has happened. I can only hope that if customers still rock up to it (excuse the pun) it might be that it gets to stay open. But if it's closed already I suppose that's it for while at least in Berlin. What a great shame.

I was sitting by myself in the Artemis restaurant eating overcooked potatoes staring at the dark clouds over Berlin. At that moment there were no policemen present outside the club. Only expensive cars and turkish cab drivers with dead eyes and huge stomachs.

Went to the kino on the ground floor. While the blonde girl from the movie was drinking sperm after a rather hard ass pounding, I was hoping for something / someone special to provide some first aid to this introvert creature in the mirror. Ignored some of the useless hast du lust schatzy approaches. And then she came;.

Because of the details, I want to protect her identity, though if you are a respectable senior member without any connections to Hells Angels or Holy bikers of Allah, send me a PM.

She is no mainstream girl, she gives what I would call unique vibes. Not the most beautiful girl in Halenseestrasse, not a big issue, since I seldom receive invitations from Calvin Klein and Dolce Gabbana to be their poster boy myself. We went to the zimmer. She wanted 150 for an hour and she would guarantee good service. Was on my way out and told her I usually get good service without over paying. But the situation was difficult, I needed her service and she my money. We hated each other, but we were trapped on a distant island. Money man and pussy girl needed team building. "I try 30 minutes and maybe extend to 1 h. ".

DFK, caressing, lots of touching, real GFE. Great start, changed to 69. Small round ass, perfectly shaped pussy lips, tight delicate asshole. Scratching my balls and back door while performing a wet BJ. Sucking balls and continued to give maximal attention to my cock and ass. Lick ass? -Ok! It was so spectacular that my boner reached historical strength. The quality of her work was so surprisingly good that I almost went to a state of trance. On with the rubber and some heavy pounding in doggy. Tight pussy and responsive girl. Did not want to finish, was not ready to end this journey yet. Back to 69. Her tongue licked balls and ass while she was stroking my cock. Sometimes in life I feel like my erection is immortal, this was one of those days. Suddenly she started to kick my face with her feet. Quite hard, but controlled. Put her toes in my mouth, still kicking with the other foot. Laid beside me and slapped my face with the palm of her hand. Angry eyes. WTF? Began spitting on my face, while slapping for another minute. I did not stop her, I was perplexed and surprised. "I want to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] in your mouth, come, get on the floor" She put a towel on the carpet, and actually gave me no option. I was not in a condition to make any decision, and her drive and energy reminded me of Queens spectacular 25 minutes at Live Aid in 1985. Hell, why not, I have to try this before I die, right? 69 on the floor.

From my point of view a fascinating sight. Imagine a flower opening its blades in slow motion, Her labia minor moving to each side and a stream of [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord109][CodeWord109][/url] hitting my mouth. Huge amount, what should I do with this, the towel was not thick enough to protect the new carpet. Too much empathy. Swallowed it! Holy fuck, I would rather order an Apfelschorle for free in the bar, than paying 50 for this. She moved forward and started pissing on my cock while she played with my balls. I thought, small lady with huge bladder. Continued for a few seconds and returned back to 69. Oh no, I could not repeat this, but too late, she sprayed my face and I kept my mouth shut. At last, she was empty, we stood up and she dried my face and body. "Lay down" she commanded me. I felt like I was a hostage of the perverted department of ISIS. I did obey, and she put a chewing gum in my mouth without warning. Nice taste of tropical fruit. Another wave of hitting and spitting followed while she was squeezing my balls till I had to remove her hand because of pain. Stood up and kicked my body and face, did som stepping also. She gave me the evil eye and said " want to suck your dick". Forceful sucking until a strong CIM. Come, I will give you massage. 15 minutes of top notch skilled treatment, one of the best I have had. Normally a decent Thai-massage has an effect until the day after, but this creature worked on my shoulder, neck and head, twisting my spine, and still after 3 weeks I could feel the muscular relieve.

"Ok, go and shower and give me 300". Huge smile on her face. I overpaid with a smile on my face. Think we stayed 75 minutes. Do not know. It was a fantastic experience, her program was scheduled seamlessly as if it was manufactured by Apple Inc software department.

The combination of violence and sex was great, I would definitely repeat. But next time I bring my own Apfelschole from the main bar.

[QUOTE=McAdonis;1866010]Prostitution, drugs, and organized crime are generally interlinked. Not uncommon for criminal organizations to have "legitimate" business men run their "legitimate" businesses. Article mentions trafficking. If Artemis knew about this and didn't report it, they could be held accountable--especially if the WG's are under the legal age. Also a large percentage of the WG's at Artemis are probably "property" of HA.[/QUOTE]Hmmm. So owners of the club could have been legitimate puppet is what you are possibly saying? Hmmm, it is possible, but I did not think so. He definitely did not seem average joe who worked in office and open FKK one day, but I strongly think he was not mob.

Maybe they should have put up a notice saying on front door something like: No biker gang allowed etc etc. So that on rainy day like this, they can say they took some pre caution for door control.

Well I guess police had stronger evidence than just some girl who broke up with HA boyfriend tipping them off.

[QUOTE=Sybarite2006;1865898]An article in the London edition of The Guardian newspaper:

[URL]http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/apr/15/hells-angels-brothel-raided-by-900-officers-say-german-police[/URL]

I think the Club will be open once they've got their tax money back and put those they've targeted away. Probably under new management or something. This raid doesn't suddenly make FKKs illegal in Germany![/QUOTE]I hear club is open next day, so I presume it is open? Anyone?

I think Artemis should put some info up about this on their webpage whether it is open or not?

If it is open, has it affected LU in any ways??

[QUOTE=HessenBub;1866008]You don't get it. It's not about being legit or if rules are necessary or not. It's about tax evasion. Authorities point is that girls were not self employed but employees of the club. If they can prove this the club will have to pay millions. Still prostitution is legal, girls and guests were just witnesses and not accused.

HB.[/QUOTE]Well girls as we all know are independent to clubs, whether they have pimp or lover boy in their private lives are not in control of the club, it is the business of girls private lives. Artemis do not employ any of those girls beside cleaning ladies, chef, bar maid and receptionist that we definitely do not want to fuck even they pay us LOL.

As for rules of the club, that is something both clients and girls follow to have some kind of order like all other places have like in normal hotel, cafe, restaurant etc.

I think fed has different motive and using all this accusation to crash down these guys who run the club and also to cut business of H A, the organization which police are making moves in recent years (eg: big Majorca raid etc).

It started well. Quite the litterate journey. But then. And over 300 for 75 min? This world never stop to baffle me.

Sounds like a story a sharky girl could come up with. Oh well...

I manage to get myself pi$$ed and pi$$ed off, w / o getting pi$$ed on. I also manage to get into pi$$ing contests with a bunch of pi$$ants regularly. The other tendency I have is to be out on the pi$$ with my pi$$pot buddy who is full of pi$$ and vinegar but pi$$ away the friendship by pi$$ing in the pickles with my pi$$ poor pun.

[QUOTE=MrHo;1866039]Well girls as we all know are independent to clubs, whether they have pimp or lover boy in their private lives are not in control of the club, it is the business of girls private lives. Artemis do not employ any of those girls beside cleaning ladies, chef, bar maid and receptionist that we definitely do not want to fuck even they pay us LOL.

As for rules of the club, that is something both clients and girls follow to have some kind of order like all other places have like in normal hotel, cafe, restaurant etc.

I think fed has different motive and using all this accusation to crash down these guys who run the club and also to cut business of H A, the organization which police are making moves in recent years (eg: big Majorca raid etc).[/QUOTE]You seem very naive.

DO you really not see that it's highly likely the Artemis folks could have been very involved in some highly illegal activities? It's not like there's no precedent in this sphere.

And the follow-up question is if it's really Artemis only. Well, of course not and the German authorities knows as much.

[QUOTE=DethManRulz;1866063]You seem very naive.

DO you really not see that it's highly likely the Artemis folks could have been very involved in some highly illegal activities? It's not like there's no precedent in this sphere.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DethManRulz;1866063]You seem very naive.

DO you really not see that it's highly likely the Artemis folks could have been very involved in some highly illegal activities? It's not like there's no precedent in this sphere.[/QUOTE]Tax I don't know, but for other things, they are not. I never seen them doing what they are accused of for past over 6 years I have been going there.

The management are legit and good people.

Whether girls have pimps or lover boy in their private lives, it is business of girls and not the club.

As I will be going to Berlin for business next Friday / Saturday I will pass by the club and give some feedback. What other club / place in Berlin, can you guys recommend if Artemis is closed? A place where you can take your time chill with a drink, watch and talk to the girls, before going to a room.

[QUOTE=Zimmerbaby;1866024]I was sitting by myself in the Artemis restaurant eating overcooked potatoes staring at the dark clouds over Berlin. The combination of violence and sex was great, I would definitely repeat. But next time I bring my own Apfelschole from the main bar.[/QUOTE]ZB -Ninja say thank Gods, finally interesting report vs all useless ace detective speculations. Gave you the ROD (to keep S&M spirit).

Ninja was at A last 2 nights. All open, all normal. Even food was good. Many talks with locals. Opinion is what happened not make sense on many levels and must be result other things going on. But maybe we just let legal system work, wait and see. Many outcomes possible, nothing clear.

Slightly less crowd than normal but this good thing. Plenty of options. Enjoy while it lasts.

[QUOTE=Zimmerbaby;1866024]The combination of violence and sex was great, I would definitely repeat. But next time I bring my own Apfelschole from the main bar.[/QUOTE]I nice one Zimmerbaby! Good to hear you enjoyed light dominants. See you around.

Great report Zimmerbaby. I'm surprised it was your first time of experiencing pi $$ and spit in mouth at Artemis. It's happened to me a few times but the violence angle was new and sounds enjoyable. Could you PM the girl's name?

Thanks!

[QUOTE=NookyNinja;1866148]Gave you the ROD.[/QUOTE]Arigato my Japanese friend!

[QUOTE=NookyNinja;1866148]ZB -Ninja say thank Gods, finally interesting report vs all useless ace detective speculations. Enjoy while it lasts.[/QUOTE]You are spot on this one but I spent quite some time reading the net and want to tell the following.

There are actually three things in play here, not four and that is worrisome.

1. Tax evasion. Wondering about the figures: 17,5 million for social security and 6 million for taxes. Most likely this follows from the claim that the girls are actually employees and then you have to pay social security and income tax. The ratio of the two figures hints at only this and not anything else. So, there is no lead to presume that Artemis was not paying taxes in any other area. The two figures actually might be derived from the figures Artemis supplied to authorities about due taxes from the girls that Artemis (like many other clubs) mediates between the girls and tax collectors (20 or 30 euros per day, per girl). Authorities are a bit hypocrite in using the SC as an intermediate for tax collecting, putting the administrative burden with the SC and using this as a claim for even more money.

2. Seizure of goods is not just the cash money but property in Berlin and the rest of Germany. Even Bayern is mentioned and this raises questions. Is it simply all the possessions of the two brothers? Is it something bigger than that. Does it lead to someone else really owning Artemis and other clubs? We just have to wait.

3. A girl telling she had no other option than go to the police. It sounds stupid, but it is so obvious, I won't comment on that. Not Artemis abused the girl, the HA did, she said. Subsequently the police do a raid on Artemis. Any mention of HA being raided or anything? No, nothing at all. Any other case in Berlin concerning HA? Yes it is about Kassra Z. You can easily find this case on the internet. Controversy: one part of the authorities believes the "Kronzeuge" (main witness), the other part doesn't. Will they all believe a girl that saw the police as a last resort. I wonder if her story will hold upon close scrutiny.

4. What actually is missing is drugs. Presence in Artemis is the most easy way to put Artemis and mostly any other SC out of business. There is always some girls using drugs. The witness girl must have known about it but this info was not used during the raid. No girls were searched. If they would have done so and would have found drugs, the authorities could have built a strong case and Artemis would have been closed right now.

Especially this part makes me wonder. Who withheld this info and why.

[QUOTE=Zimmerbaby;1866024] Huge smile on her face. I overpaid with a smile on my face. Think we stayed 75 minutes. Do not know. It was a fantastic experience, her program was scheduled seamlessly as if it was manufactured by Apple Inc software department.

The combination of violence and sex was great, I would definitely repeat. But next time I bring my own Apfelschole from the main bar.[/QUOTE]Brilliantly written report amidst the gloom following the events this week. Loved it. I won't trouble you for her number by PM. Not sure I'd fancy what you went through but a really good read and thanks for lightening the mood.

[QUOTE=MrHo;1866028]Hmmm. So owners of the club could have been legitimate puppet is what you are possibly saying? Hmmm, it is possible, but I did not think so. He definitely did not seem average joe who worked in office and open FKK one day, but I strongly think he was not mob.
[/QUOTE]Gangs use money to influence people and gain support. Business owners, corrupt police, politicians, other smaller gangs. Gangs use money to get people to work for them for small or big jobs.

[QUOTE=McAdonis;1866244]Gangs use money to influence people and gain support. Business owners, corrupt police, politicians, other smaller gangs. Gangs use money to get people to work for them for small or big jobs.[/QUOTE]Well these brother had money, so I doubt HA gave money to influence their decision in business. As for some girls having pimps are possible, but that has nothing to do with clubs and police cannot prove they knew or they did not know that.

But the clubs seems to be open, so police do not have any strong evidence of any criminal acts yet beside alleged tax fraud.

[QUOTE=PayForIt;1866223]Brilliantly written report amidst the gloom following the events this week. Loved it. I won't trouble you for her number by PM. Not sure I'd fancy what you went through but a really good read and thanks for lightening the mood.[/QUOTE]Thank you for kind words sir! Happy to please (within certain limits).

[QUOTE=MrHo;1866255]Well these brother had money, so I doubt HA gave money to influence their decision in business. As for some girls having pimps are possible, but that has nothing to do with clubs and police cannot prove they knew or they did not know that.

But the clubs seems to be open, so police do not have any strong evidence of any criminal acts yet beside alleged tax fraud.[/QUOTE]Investigations look into things that evade privacy once the court gets sufficient enough evidence to do so. The bust is to gather evidence. The criminal organization is in a level from top to bottom. You got chapters of Hell's all over. Just because somebody is known to be linked to Hell's is probably not sufficient in order to bust those on top of the chain. You need evidence that link the top to bust them. Like cash flow to the top of the known funds came from down under. Like any organization out there, the people at top keep a safe distance being indirectly involved. Those that are directly involved gets the sting. Regarding the owner and all that, it's plausible that Artemis is indirectly owned by Hell's, and that goes the same for the other clubs out there as well. They can just have a decent figurehead that repesent as the owner, but behind the curtains he's not the one that owns the club or gets all the cashflow. It is a cash business, so the flow to a criminal entity cannot be traced, unless there is evidence otherwise.

As for drugs whatever have you, I can't say I've ran into much(except couple exceptions I've encountered at a club) that would cause suspicion to be obvious besides just weed. Magnum is the one club is pretty obvious to me, but have not heard of any sting going on there. Shouldn't be a surprise drugs are involved in this industry.

[QUOTE=PussyLiccker;1866348]As for drugs whatever have you, I can't say I've ran into much(except couple exceptions I've encountered at a club) that would cause suspicion to be obvious besides just weed. Magnum is the one club is pretty obvious to me, but have not heard of any sting going on there. Shouldn't be a surprise drugs are involved in this industry.[/QUOTE]What is really puzzling to me is that almost all messages here simply want to 'find' something illegal in Artemis.

So far nobody has come up with anything substantial.

When I wrote about the absence of naming drugs, you jump in to suggest drugs might be in play.

It is really puzzling.

Oblivious to the razzia everyone is talking about me and my friend walked in Artemis yesterday (Friday) with every girl and punter chatting about it. Some of the girls seemed worried of what will happen (they feel their business has been hurt) while others seemed OK with it ("today was very good day for me," said one of the girls). Some punters claimed that some of the girls were taken by the police due to their papers not being OK. Most of the girls, more experienced ones, kept shut about the matter entirely and focused their energy on BJs which is fine by me actually. We met up with two Swedes and stayed from early in the morning to midnight.

The LU seemed reduced to me and bit less predictable but I got bored by Artemis LU for some time now so it may not be due to the razzia. Number of punters seemed low in the morning (compared to the usual) but bit better in the evening with several familiar faces among the visitors (I would expect the regulars to avoid the place if they feared another razzia). As I was leaving I hear.

Did not spy any new talent so I decided to go for the safe bets this evening. I sessioned with Ezra (Tur), Sani (Ro) and Elena (Ro). All three have big breasts with Ezra and Elena being naturals and Sani having well done implants.

Ezra is firecracker willing to go along with almost everything. Just don't play with her nipples, she is really sensitive there. This is the only girl I have seen getting off lesbian show. Elena on the other hand is calculated working girl which has excellent memory of any punter that repeats session with her. I am always surprised on the number of details she remember one year after they happened (you have to remember that she goes through couple of hundred men between sessions with a particular punter).

Sani in particular shined really in the room with good enthusiasm. I suspect she is funny and nice to talk to but with my school German communication is bit difficult. But talk is not why I visit Artemis so that is OK.

[QUOTE=PussyLiccker;1866348]Investigations look into things that evade privacy once the court gets sufficient enough evidence to do so. The bust is to gather evidence. The criminal organization is in a level from top to bottom. You got chapters of Hell's all over. Just because somebody is known to be linked to Hell's is probably not sufficient in order to bust those on top of the chain. You need evidence that link the top to bust them. Like cash flow to the top of the known funds came from down under. Like any organization out there, the people at top keep a safe distance being indirectly involved. Those that are directly involved gets the sting. Regarding the owner and all that, it's plausible that Artemis is indirectly owned by Hell's, and that goes the same for the other clubs out there as well. They can just have a decent figurehead that repesent as the owner, but behind the curtains he's not the one that owns the club or gets all the cashflow. It is a cash business, so the flow to a criminal entity cannot be traced, unless there is evidence otherwise.

As for drugs whatever have you, I can't say I've ran into much(except couple exceptions I've encountered at a club) that would cause suspicion to be obvious besides just weed. Magnum is the one club is pretty obvious to me, but have not heard of any sting going on there. Shouldn't be a surprise drugs are involved in this industry.[/QUOTE]Hmmm this is possible, but whole thing about FKK concept was to erase out criminal gang or mafia owning such a business, so I imagined licensing is issued promptly by German fed. What you wrote is like Yakuza here, they do not own the brothel type places, but yakuza own legit business around brothels like towel supplying company, towel / sheet laundry company, condom supplier etc and brothel have to buy it from yakuza company for very expensive price, so it is all legal for yakuza, maybe HA should learn that LOL.

Also they own these legit companies via fund of fund of fund (few behind to make it hard to trace, sometimes even using offshore holding structure).

Well at least, Artemis being open kind of shows police so far did not find critical solid evidence during the bust, so that is good thing because I like current management.

However, I hope this bust somehow refresh line up of Artemis.

[QUOTE=MrHo;1866255]

But the clubs seems to be open, so police do not have any strong evidence of any criminal acts yet beside alleged tax fraud.[/QUOTE]The club being open doesn't mean anything.

HB.

[QUOTE=HessenBub;1866450]The club being open doesn't mean anything.

HB.[/QUOTE]For instance, if they found document linking HA with the club or drugs on spot, it will be close the next day, but it is not, therefore this is good sign that police did not find something that is solidly concrete to shut it down right away. Also it mean something in another way too, it definitely mean something for men who travel to the club because they want it open. Some people travel far to come to the club, so it mean a lot to them.

However, the club was not doing nothing wrong about all accusations beside tax, as for tax nobody knows as it is personal matter.

But it doesn't mean that it is all over. Round one might be over however. So far no news of a knockout by one side or the other has come out as far as I know...

[QUOTE=Pistons;1866514]But it doesn't mean that it is all over. Round one might be over however. So far no news of a knockout by one side or the other has come out as far as I know...[/QUOTE]There should be petition documents for appeal at the reception, I will sign it because Artemis is legit club as far as I experienced for 6 years.

Never seen or heard what police are accusing of.

[QUOTE=MrHo;1866481]

However, the club was not doing nothing wrong about all accusations beside tax, as for tax nobody knows as it is personal matter.[/QUOTE]You don't know what is or was going on in the club. How do you know they did nothing wrong? This is a brothel and not disneyland. And tax issues are definitely not a personal matter. Not in Germany.

HB.

Maybe the government want to use the club as a refugee camp? Is this the hidden agenda? The outdoor area has got Arabic features which could ease the integration to German society, or maybe HA have installed 4 K spy cams in all the zimmers and will now demand ransom from customers worldwide?

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