Phnom Penh

[QUOTE=LoveLongTime;2505923]So with vaccines being approved and produced has any timeline been laid out or even talks for tourism? ... Any thoughts of the possibility of this happening would be appreciated. My itinerary will be Cebu for two weeks to visit friends and family of SO and then 10 days solo in PP or where ever I can get into.[/QUOTE]Lots of speculation circulating with no firm answers. My money says Cambo and Thailand will be open within the year to tourists including visa on arrival. That is, assuming that the vaccine is widely available and arriving passengers can show proof of vaccination. I've read news reports of having passports issued with confirmation of vaccination included and also documents being issued which would be accepted by the airlines (and the appropriate immigration authorities involved). Lots and lots of administrative protocols will need to be agreed upon by the governments and air carriers. But there is so much money at stake it should be doable in time for a trip sometime in 2021.

SS.

Those who have been vaccinated and get covid can still pass it on to those who haven't been vaccinated. So needs 100% compliance from all. So don't count ya chickens yet. There's a way to go before normality returns.

[QUOTE=SamSanuk;2506228]Lots of speculation circulating with no firm answers. My money says Cambo and Thailand will be open within the year to tourists including visa on arrival. That is, assuming that the vaccine is widely available and arriving passengers can show proof of vaccination. I've read news reports of having passports issued with confirmation of vaccination included and also documents being issued which would be accepted by the airlines (and the appropriate immigration authorities involved). Lots and lots of administrative protocols will need to be agreed upon by the governments and air carriers. But there is so much money at stake it should be doable in time for a trip sometime in 2021.

SS.[/QUOTE]I read that IATA the governing body for airlines and manufacturers is working on the protocols for vaccination proof. I work in the aviation industry so I am confident they will work out a process that is fairly full proof. They were established to standardize the airline industry globally. If no one opens up by December I fully plan on lawyering up and getting my money back. I went to Brazil in October and am returning for New Years. While Rio is a lot of fun nothing will beat a room full of Asian spinners, for me anyway.

[QUOTE=Berrys66;2506249]Those who have been vaccinated and get covid can still pass it on to those who haven't been vaccinated. So needs 100% compliance from all. So don't count ya chickens yet. There's a way to go before normality returns.[/QUOTE]Thank you for your reply. I respect your opinion and understand the importance of caution. As this has played out we have seen mass hysteria and information that flies in the face of all known medical history. I have come to the conclusion this is nothing more than a political ploy to assert more control over the masses. I have known many people who have caught "it" and the only one who died was on death's door step already. "It" is spreading around my area and everyone I have spoken to said it is like a bad cold. All the hype and fear to me is just a new boogie man. Bioterrorism is what I would call it. Use a disease to hold the world hostage, take away freedoms and assert control. I think our saving grace will be greed. At some point industry leaders will assert their desperation on political leaders and things will ease. I am being patient but I believe those losing the most will run out of patience sooner rather than later. Hope that wasn't too political just my take on things. Thanks stay safe.

Any action in PP right now?

[QUOTE=LoveLongTime;2506320]I have come to the conclusion this is nothing more than a political ploy to assert more control over the masses. I have known many people who have caught "it" and the only one who died was on death's door step already. "It" is spreading around my area and everyone I have spoken to said it is like a bad cold. All the hype and fear to me is just a new boogie man. Bioterrorism is what I would call it. Use a disease to hold the world hostage, take away freedoms and assert control. I think our saving grace will be greed.[/QUOTE]Spot on. BTW, increase in the death toll in the US this year (which some people say is caused by "it") is about the same as the increase in suicides and ODs.

Suicide rate seems to have tripled this year. ODs have doubled.

Has anyone returned to PP via PHN since the new Immigration rules were put in place? My main questions surround self isolation and the 2 k USD deposit.

I understand that if you test negative you go in to self isolation. If I stayed in a hotel on Street 136 would they know if I snuck out of my room for food or to a bar across the street for 5 minutes to grab a girl or have one of my girls come to my room? How am I being tracked in self isolation?

Anyone hear of any stories where guys have had issues recovering their 2 k when they leave Cambodia?

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2516219]Has anyone returned to PP via PHN since the new Immigration rules were put in place? My main questions surround self isolation and the 2 k USD deposit.

I understand that if you test negative you go in to self isolation. If I stayed in a hotel on Street 136 would they know if I snuck out of my room for food or to a bar across the street for 5 minutes to grab a girl or have one of my girls come to my room? How am I being tracked in self isolation?

Anyone hear of any stories where guys have had issues recovering their 2 k when they leave Cambodia?[/QUOTE]For BB and others I highly recommend visiting this facebook group. [URL]https://www.facebook.com/groups/333901840112789[/URL] The administrators / mods are quite up to date on the rules / regs pertaining to entering the country at this time; who is and is not allowed; quarantine situation. Many members of the group have shared their experience in navigating this clusterfuck.

To the point, Street 136 hotels have not been identified as those housing arriving pax; in fact, you don't get a choice. You are assigned a bus with other pax and it take you to your hotel where you are quarantined for 14 days.

SS.

[QUOTE=SamSanuk;2516323]To the point, Street 136 hotels have not been identified as those housing arriving pax; in fact, you don't get a choice. You are assigned a bus with other pax and it take you to your hotel where you are quarantined for 14 days.[/QUOTE]OK this differs from what I read on World Nomad, last updated on Dec. 24. They say you self isolate at their own accommodation if you test negative. "Anyone who tests positive upon arrival will be quarantined for 14 days at designated facilities. Travelers who test negative must self-isolate at their own accommodation. ".

Covid is for real. Stop hallucinating, fellas. Government control nonsense talk is awful. Vaccine is coming. 2nd half of 2021 at the latest visa on arrival will be available for those with proof of vaccination from credible countries. Such says my intel. Situation for the girls who frequented the bars is dire. Everbody has enough to eat, but the easy tickling exciting slow motion night life has gone, and so has the income. Remittals to family in province dries up. Everybody worse off. Yet many to few are using the time productively to collect the trash, remodel, learn English etc. Cambodia is in a funk.

I sure as hell hope your intel is right. It would work out well for me as I am so far down the priority list in my country there is little chance I can get a jab before that.

[QUOTE=SouthEaster;2518646]I sure as hell hope your intel is right. It would work out well for me as I am so far down the priority list in my country there is little chance I can get a jab before that.[/QUOTE]"Intel" and unnamed sources never mean much to me. That said, as I'll be 79 this summer, this might be one of the few advantages I have over those lower down on the totem pole. (The others might be disposable income and experience.) So it could be that I'll be giving jabs to the damsels before you. Don't fret, we've all experienced "sloppy seconds". LOL.

SS.

[QUOTE=Philosophus;2518607]Covid is for real. Stop hallucinating, fellas. Government control nonsense talk is awful. Vaccine is coming. 2nd half of 2021 at the latest visa on arrival will be available for those with proof of vaccination from credible countries. Such says my intel. Situation for the girls who frequented the bars is dire. Everbody has enough to eat, but the easy tickling exciting slow motion night life has gone, and so has the income. Remittals to family in province dries up. Everybody worse off. Yet many to few are using the time productively to collect the trash, remodel, learn English etc. Cambodia is in a funk.[/QUOTE]I agree wholeheartedly. Siem Reap is a construction zone now and that was direly needed. Folks are anticipating a reopening, tightening belts and doing what they can. But it isn't a lot of fun.

[QUOTE=SamSanuk;2516323] To the point, Street 136 hotels have not been identified as those housing arriving pax; in fact, you don't get a choice. You are assigned a bus with other pax and it take you to your hotel where you are quarantined for 14 days.

SS.[/QUOTE]I live in PNH and I confirm that you are assigned a hotel for a 14 days quarantine. Don't count on having a hotel on street 136 and sneak out to the bars.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2512148]Any action in PP right now?[/QUOTE]Bars are open, but not many customers. Which suits me just fine 😇.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2516551]OK this differs from what I read on World Nomad, last updated on Dec. 24. They say you self isolate at their own accommodation if you test negative. "Anyone who tests positive upon arrival will be quarantined for 14 days at designated facilities. Travelers who test negative must self-isolate at their own accommodation. ".[/QUOTE]Nope. You have to quarantine in a Chinese hotel selected by the powers that be. Terrible food. Just flew in 3 weeks ago. Needed a clean test and $2000 cash deposit. That's all.

[QUOTE=RickRock;2525265]Nope. You have to quarantine in a Chinese hotel selected by the powers that be. Terrible food. Just flew in 3 weeks ago. Needed a clean test and $2000 cash deposit. That's all.[/QUOTE]Hey Rick,

I don't need to know what type of visa you were admitted into the country; but since tourist visas aren't being made available to anybody at this time, I would just point this out to those who might be salivating over the idea that they can walk or fly across the border as usual.

SS.

[QUOTE=Pokeris;2204997]I didint try bar girls at phnom penh because it not worth spend money on lady drinks, negotiate prices, get many refuses till find right girl for a right price.[/QUOTE]Why not just walk up to any lady you fancy standing or sitting outside the entrance to their bars, such as those yelling "Hello" to men walking by, and ask her what the bar fine cost is and will she go with you to your hotel? Ditto for those inside, if you want to check that out.

If she says yes, then pay the bar fine & any extra required for drinks & be on your merry way together with her to your room. Why beat around the Bush & waste both your time, and hers, and your money, with idle chit chat with many ladies who may not even be willing to go with you?

Furthermore, by the way, on YouTube videos you can see ladies on the streets where many bars are, who don't appear to be employed by any bar, trying to get customers. There's no need to buy them any drinks or even pay a bar fine. And no question that these ladies will not refuse you due to not being available. Assuming those I saw were ladies and not ladyboys, LOL.

[QUOTE=PinkPearl;2531332]Why not just walk up to any lady you fancy standing or sitting outside the entrance to their bars, such as those yelling "Hello" to men walking by, and ask her what the bar fine cost is and will she go with you to your hotel? Ditto for those inside, if you want to check that out.

If she says yes, then pay the bar fine & any extra required for drinks & be on your merry way together with her to your room. Why beat around the Bush & waste both your time, and hers, and your money, with idle chit chat with many ladies who may not even be willing to go with you?

Furthermore, by the way, on YouTube videos you can see ladies on the streets where many bars are, who don't appear to be employed by any bar, trying to get customers. There's no need to buy them any drinks or even pay a bar fine. And no question that these ladies will not refuse you due to not being available. Assuming those I saw were ladies and not ladyboys, LOL.[/QUOTE]Now when I go PP, I stay usually in hotel in street 136 or in Nagaworld hotel little bit outside. I use a lot Facebook to find some sexy working girls in PP. Many times when I take breakfast in hotel in morning, I can see many sexy working girls with their Chinese customer and then very discreetly I choose the girl I want for the next night. Sometimes I just spend lot of time in breakfast and when I found the girl I want, very discreetly I try to smile to the lady and when she's alone or when she leave the customer after the breakfast, I go meet her very quickly and ask her phone number to fuck her in the afternoon or the evening and it works all the time.

When the girl stay all the time with her customer, because some Korean or Chinese men are very careful and very jealous, I ask the waitress in the hotel, or I go directly to the reception and I tip them 5 dollars and ask them to speak in Khmer with the girl if she s ok to meet me later. Each time, the customer with the girl understand nothing and most of the time, the girl say yes to meet me and give her Line or Whasapp to the Khmer girl and then I get the number and I call the girl 1 hour after. It works very well!

And last time I was in Sun and Moon hotel in street 136, I was in the same lift of a customer with very nice sexy teen 19 years old. When the lift opened on the reception, the guy go directly to the breakfast and the girl go outside the hotel to take a tuk tuk? I ran to the tuk tuk and asked her Line. And the same day in the afternoon at 3 pm she was back in my hotel room and I fucked her bareback for 50 dollars.

And yes I go some bars too in the evening but usually girls accept fuck with me. When I enter the bar, usually when I find the girl I want, I go directly to her, I smile to her and I love to catch her ass and then I pay 1 drink only. During the time we take the drink, I love touch the girl, kiss the girl even if sometimes she doesn't want to do. And after 15 min I pay the 10 dollars barfine and I go fuck her bareback always. In Cambodia, same as in Thailand girls accept BBFS easily. In the bars I pay the girl between 50 to 80 dollars for all the night. Sometimes I just take the girl for short time. And sometimes I keep the girl all the night. Usually the girl likes to sleep the morning because I wake up early to take the breakfast and the girl prefers sleep.

When I sleep all night with girl, usually it s because she s very hot and sexy, then each time in morning, when I wake up and wake up her but usually she likes sleep but I always fuck her in missionary quickly in the morning when she still sleep and I come inside her pussy. Girls like the morning fuck and sleep in same time.

[QUOTE=Gilolo;2597531]When the girl stay all the time with her customer, because some Korean or Chinese men are very careful and very jealous, I ask the waitress in the hotel, or I go directly to the reception and I tip them 5 dollars and ask them to speak in Khmer with the girl if she s ok to meet me later. Each time, the customer with the girl understand nothing and most of the time, the girl say yes to meet me and give her Line or Whasapp to the Khmer girl and then I get the number and I call the girl 1 hour after. It works very well!

And last time I was in Sun and Moon hotel in street 136, I was in the same lift of a customer with very nice sexy teen 19 years old. When the lift opened on the reception, the guy go directly to the breakfast and the girl go outside the hotel to take a tuk tuk? I ran to the tuk tuk and asked her Line. And the same day in the afternoon at 3 pm she was back in my hotel room and I fucked her bareback for 50 dollars.

And yes I go some bars too in the evening but usually girls accept fuck with me. When I enter the bar, usually when I find the girl I want, I go directly to her, I smile to her and I love to catch her ass and then I pay 1 drink only. During the time we take the drink, I love touch the girl, kiss the girl even if sometimes she doesn't want to do. And after 15 min I pay the 10 dollars barfine and I go fuck her bareback always. In Cambodia, same as in Thailand girls accept BBFS easily. In the bars I pay the girl between 50 to 80 dollars for all the night. Sometimes I just take the girl for short time. And sometimes I keep the girl all the night. Usually the girl likes to sleep the morning because I wake up early to take the breakfast and the girl prefers sleep.

When I sleep all night with girl, usually it s because she s very hot and sexy, then each time in morning, when I wake up and wake up her but usually she likes sleep but I always fuck her in missionary quickly in the morning when she still sleep and I come inside her pussy. Girls like the morning fuck and sleep in same time.[/QUOTE]I love everything about this post from the sneaky like a fox mongering technique to the not quite grammatically correct English, to the wonderful rapturous thought of banging tight and ready Cambodian SW's for $50 and ejaculating directly into their tiny little pussies. Bravo to you good man and thank you for painting such a beautiful image- it will truly be a glorious thing to return to this world.

Is anyone actually in PP now? If so, are the bars open? What percentage of total number of girls are still present between Streets 104 and 136?

Looking for a possible alternative place to hobby before more bars reopen in Bangkok and Pattaya after December 1.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2617120]Is anyone actually in PP now? If so, are the bars open? What percentage of total number of girls are still present between Streets 104 and 136?

Looking for a possible alternative place to hobby before more bars reopen in Bangkok and Pattaya after December 1.[/QUOTE]BB,

First, let me say it's good to see that you're still pumpin' air. LOL.

Sadly, Cambo is not an alternative to Thailand at this time. Both countries are seemingly proceeding to cautiously open to tourists / mongers in the not-too-distant future. As to how "distant", it's anybody's guess. Both countries still throw up disincentives including quarantines, insurance requirements, curfews, blah, blah, blah.

There are two facebook groups to which I belong and which I highly recommend, as they contain "real time" info posted by members who are "in country". Those groups are "Phnom Penh Hostess Bars—Girly Bars" ([URL]https://www.facebook.com/groups/1062695980532551[/URL]) and "Cambodia Visa and Work Permit Group" ([URL]https://www.facebook.com/groups/333901840112789[/URL]).

Bottom line is that both Thailand and Cambo seem to have some bars operating "under the radar", but with lower quality of service provider options than to what we have been accustomed. I'm planning on my next trip to take place in March-April 2022 (with fingers crossed).

SS.

I'm in PP now. Bars are open on most streets. Prices for girls are lower now due to low amount of mongers available. A buyers market. Seems the girls are coming back from the villages. Phuket was a bust. Over priced drinks an $ girls. Lady drinks were $10 on Bangladesh Road.

[QUOTE=SamSanuk;2617396]BB,

First, let me say it's good to see that you're still pumpin' air. LOL.

Sadly, Cambo is not an alternative to Thailand at this time. Both countries are seemingly proceeding to cautiously open to tourists / mongers in the not-too-distant future. As to how "distant", it's anybody's guess. Both countries still throw up disincentives including quarantines, insurance requirements, curfews, blah, blah, blah.

There are two facebook groups to which I belong and which I highly recommend, as they contain "real time" info posted by members who are "in country". Those groups are "Phnom Penh Hostess BarsGirly Bars" ([URL]https://www.facebook.com/groups/1062695980532551[/URL]) and "Cambodia Visa and Work Permit Group" ([URL]https://www.facebook.com/groups/333901840112789[/URL]).

Bottom line is that both Thailand and Cambo seem to have some bars operating "under the radar", but with lower quality of service provider options than to what we have been accustomed. I'm planning on my next trip to take place in March-April 2022 (with fingers crossed).

SS.[/QUOTE]

Can't find a Cambo girl that can give a decent BBBJ in Phnom Penh. Wish they carried around report cards with previous reviews for references!

I can confirm that 90% of the girly bars are open in Phnom Penh. The official full open date is 1st December but most of the bars are open already. Plenty of girls around, with more arriving daily from their provinces. ST and LT prices ver negotiable with the girls keen to meet guys. Streets 130 and 136 still have the highest concentration of bars, with streets 104,110, 118 and 5 also having some open bars. Drinks prices are reasonable. Draft beer $1. 50, spirits $3. 75, ladydrinks $3. 50-$4.

[QUOTE=AussieGuy100;2629208]I can confirm that 90% of the girly bars are open in Phnom Penh. [/QUOTE]Sounds good.

However, to enter Cambodia, special health insurance required, I heared. And, when going back to TH, 1 day quaratine, required, at least, plus Thai Pas.

[QUOTE=AussieGuy100;2629208]I can confirm that 90% of the girly bars are open in Phnom Penh. The official full open date is 1st December but most of the bars are open already. Plenty of girls around, with more arriving daily from their provinces. ST and LT prices ver negotiable with the girls keen to meet guys. Streets 130 and 136 still have the highest concentration of bars, with streets 104,110, 118 and 5 also having some open bars. Drinks prices are reasonable. Draft beer $1. 50, spirits $3. 75, ladydrinks $3. 50-$4.[/QUOTE]Hi Ausie, my fellow countryman. Could you please let me know what are the requirements for Mongers to land in PP from Thailand? I read previously that a $US deposit was required. Is this still the case and if so how much and how is this managed? Any other requirements, tests quarantine etc.

Thanks, Johnie.

[QUOTE=Johnie;2629307]Hi Ausie, my fellow countryman. Could you please let me know what are the requirements for Mongers to land in PP from Thailand? I read previously that a $US deposit was required. Is this still the case and if so how much and how is this managed? Any other requirements, tests quarantine etc.

Thanks, Johnie.[/QUOTE]I'm not an Aussie, but maybe this will help.

[QUOTE=Johnie;2629307] Could you please let me know what are the requirements for Mongers to land in PP from Thailand? I read previously that a $US deposit was required. Is this still the case and if so how much and how is this managed? Any other requirements, tests quarantine etc..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ReinerOtto;2629282]However, to enter Cambodia, special health insurance required, I heared. And, when going back to TH, 1 day quaratine, required, at least, plus Thai Pas.[/QUOTE]For fully vaccinated to enter Cambodia, evisa done online for $36 US. Negative PCR test 72 hours before flight. Antigen test upon arrival. The $2000 US deposit is gone. Medical insurance is recommended but not mandatory. ZERO quarantine!

Yes, when you re-enter Thailand you go through the entire Thailand Pass routine again including 1 day at an AQ hotel, RT-PCR test etc.

Sam Sanuk posted 2 helpful Facebook groups a few posts down.

Keep up yo date on the newest releases. Likely to change as this is new. [URL]https://www.mfaic.gov.kh/posts/2021-11-17-Covid-19-Reference-THE-NEW-TRAVEL-CONDITIONS-AND-THE-IMPLEMENTATION-OF-HEALTH-AND-TOURISM-SAFETY-MEASURES-FOR-TRAVELLER-19-15-06[/URL].

EVisa [URL]https://www.evisa.gov.kh/[/URL].

Dragonfly, AussieGuy, Sam, and others, please post some reviews. We are all living vicariously through you guys until we get to PP. Thank you.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2629451]For fully vaccinated to enter Cambodia, evisa done online for $36 US. Negative PCR test 72 hours before flight. Antigen test upon arrival. The $2000 US deposit is gone. Medical insurance is recommended but not mandatory. ZERO quarantine!

Yes, when you re-enter Thailand you go through the entire Thailand Pass routine again including 1 day at an AQ hotel, RT-PCR test etc.

Sam Sanuk posted 2 helpful Facebook groups a few posts down.

Keep up yo date on the newest releases. Likely to change as this is new. [URL]https://www.mfaic.gov.kh/posts/2021-11-17-Covid-19-Reference-THE-NEW-TRAVEL-CONDITIONS-AND-THE-IMPLEMENTATION-OF-HEALTH-AND-TOURISM-SAFETY-MEASURES-FOR-TRAVELLER-19-15-06[/URL].

EVisa [URL]https://www.evisa.gov.kh/[/URL].[/QUOTE]Sam and BB, thank you so much for the advice. It's the news I have been waiting for. On my way to PP in March to pick up where I left off just before COVID. Any recommendations for a hotel hear Soya Mall? I previously stayed at Walabout and Flamingo in the day and a not so good Chinese hotel opposite and at the end of the mall more recently.

Yours in mongering, Johnie.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2629453]Dragonfly, AussieGuy, Sam, and others, please post some reviews. We are all living vicariously through you guys until we get to PP. Thank you.[/QUOTE]Here in Phnom Penh the bars have all been officially open for a week now without any issues. That's after 627 days of officially being closed, though many bars stayed open quietly, speakeasy style, for much of that time.

It's great to see all the lights on again.

Now there are loads of girls around the bars all eager for customers!

Prices seem to be $30-50ST, $40-60 LT. There are both regular girls and a noticeable number of new girls, so plenty to choose from. Hostess bar customer drink prices same as pre-covid - $1. 50 draft beer, $3. 50-4 spirits, ladydrinks $3. 75-$4, LD shots $5-$6.

With no quarantine required for vaccinated visitors, and just a rapid test at the airport, we are already seeing an influx of people here. Many are guys who haven't seen their Cambodian girlfriends for two years.

So if you want a quick easy trip to enjoy about 150 girly bars, come and visit Phnom Penh while you're waiting for your area to re-open.

Went to the bar to the right of Baccarrat (since it is closed right now, 6:30 PM Sunday). Bought a (mediocre looking) girl a lady drink, and eventually asked ST price. She said how much you give me? I respond I don't like when people ask that (and always a bad sign of bad service and rip off whether it is a hooker or taxi cab driver). She then said $70. A little shocked, I asked for her to clarify, and she types in my phone $70.

I pay and walk out without looking at her. If I wanted to pay $70 (I didn't even ask about bar fine), I would have stayed in Tijuana.

[QUOTE=Pv118;2645536]Went to the bar to the right of Baccarrat (since it is closed right now, 6:30 PM Sunday). Bought a (mediocre looking) girl a lady drink, and eventually asked ST price. She said how much you give me? I respond I don't like when people ask that (and always a bad sign of bad service and rip off whether it is a hooker or taxi cab driver). She then said $70. A little shocked, I asked for her to clarify, and she types in my phone $70.

I pay and walk out without looking at her. If I wanted to pay $70 (I didn't even ask about bar fine), I would have stayed in Tijuana.[/QUOTE]From what I remembered of my previous Cambodia trips everything is negotiable. You were clearly a new tourist and so she aimed high. I'm sure she would've taken $40 and been happy.

$70 is the usual starting point for LT, $50 for ST. My highest was $100 LT at Air Force bar on 104. Girl wouldn't budge. She knew she was the hottest girl available in the RLD that night. Had to let her know what I thought of her and the mamasan too. Really unfortunate cause she was easily one of the top 5 girls I ever saw in the RLD. Not that $100 meant a difference in my pocketbook rather I felt like they thought I was a chump. Can't be weak with PP girls. It's a buyer's market there.

[QUOTE=Pv118;2645536]Went to the bar to the right of Baccarrat (since it is closed right now, 6:30 PM Sunday). Bought a (mediocre looking) girl a lady drink, and eventually asked ST price. She said how much you give me? I respond I don't like when people ask that (and always a bad sign of bad service and rip off whether it is a hooker or taxi cab driver). She then said $70. A little shocked, I asked for her to clarify, and she types in my phone $70.

I pay and walk out without looking at her. If I wanted to pay $70 (I didn't even ask about bar fine), I would have stayed in Tijuana.[/QUOTE]Exactly. Nicely done. If more guys act like you she wouldn't ask this stupid amount.

When I was here four years ago, I had an incredible few days. BBFS with 4 girls LT, including BBFS anal, all for a cheap price, a lot of fun. I don't even think I bought any lady drinks. Just went with the girls from the bars.

But in the first four days of my one month stay here in Phnom Penh, it has been constant swings and misses. 5 girls, 5 lady drinks, and so far, 2 of them have told me they are on their period, 3 of them quoted $70 for ST. From the previous poster's perspective, I absolutely agree all these girls were just taking me for a chump with the usual "where you from, how long you stay, blah blah blah. " The fifth girl from Dream Girls Bar, one of the ones who quoted me $70, when I refused, did jump down to $50. I already took a viagra and decided to go with it.

It was one of the worst sex I had in my life. It was beyond terrible. When we entered my hotel room, I tried to kiss her, and she immediately turned her head to block it. Then, she tried to sell me a condom for $5. I said let's just go downstairs to get one, but she was adamant to try to make a few bucks off me. Luckily, I had a spare condom in my backpack. She kept complaining that I cheated her of $20. She did not allow any french kissing, on the bed, she turned her back to me and gave me a handjob backwards, no BJ at all, and only allowed on top, and she didn't move at all. Me, being very pissed, I did fuck her very hard for a while, and when I flipped her on top, she replies she is tired. She pulls herself off me and just complains more. I get very annoyed and turned off, and she sees that and says, "I'm horny why you no horny, you drink too much beer?" This was the last straw. I've never done this before, I always avoid losing my cool, and please do not pass judgement as I've been mongering for years across the world (recently I wrote on the Rio Janeiro Forum a list of 100 women I've had sex with).

I told her to get the f**k out, that she was the worse sex I have ever had, that this sex was worth 0 dollars. I threw her bag outside the door, and she rushed out. Honestly, one of the worst upsell sex I ever had in the world, and just as I said to her, she should not be in this business.

So before any other mongers try to convince you to go to Cambodia even though there are a lot of ladies and bars open and very few foreigners, I just wanted to share with you the lousiness of my first few days experience. Theoretically, it should be a buyer's market, but so far the women have been more annoying and greedy than the tuk tuk drivers. I think the ones who are getting the fair deals are the expats who lived here for a while and people already accept (as an analogy, the tuk tuk's ask for $5 but the locals pay 5000 Cambodian realis which is the real price on Grabcar). Maybe I need a expat wingman who lives here to avoid scams and cheats?

[QUOTE=Pv118;2646181]When I was here four years ago, I had an incredible few days. BBFS with 4 girls LT, including BBFS anal, all for a cheap price, a lot of fun. I don't even think I bought any lady drinks. Just went with the girls from the bars.

But in the first four days of my one month stay here in Phnom Penh, it has been constant swings and misses. 5 girls, 5 lady drinks, and so far, 2 of them have told me they are on their period, 3 of them quoted $70 for ST. From the previous poster's perspective, I absolutely agree all these girls were just taking me for a chump with the usual "where you from, how long you stay, blah blah blah. " The fifth girl from Dream Girls Bar, one of the ones who quoted me $70, when I refused, did jump down to $50. I already took a viagra and decided to go with it.

It was one of the worst sex I had in my life. It was beyond terrible. When we entered my hotel room, I tried to kiss her, and she immediately turned her head to block it. Then, she tried to sell me a condom for $5. I said let's just go downstairs to get one, but she was adamant to try to make a few bucks off me. Luckily, I had a spare condom in my backpack. She kept complaining that I cheated her of $20. She did not allow any french kissing, on the bed, she turned her back to me and gave me a handjob backwards, no BJ at all, and only allowed on top, and she didn't move at all. Me, being very pissed, I did fuck her very hard for a while, and when I flipped her on top, she replies she is tired. She pulls herself off me and just complains more. I get very annoyed and turned off, and she sees that and says, "I'm horny why you no horny, you drink too much beer?" This was the last straw. I've never done this before, I always avoid losing my cool, and please do not pass judgement as I've been mongering for years across the world (recently I wrote on the Rio Janeiro Forum a list of 100 women I've had sex with).

I told her to get the f**k out, that she was the worse sex I have ever had, that this sex was worth 0 dollars. I threw her bag outside the door, and she rushed out. Honestly, one of the worst upsell sex I ever had in the world, and just as I said to her, she should not be in this business.

[/QUOTE]I'm guessing that all of us who have been partaking in the "hobby" for any length of time have experienced similar. Over the 50 years I've been going to Asia, I've had maybe 3 similar experiences. And reacted in each case the same as you did: kicked them out the door. LOL Yeah, lost a barfine or two in the process, but no reason to throw good money after bad. If one knows how much he is willing to pay, just stick to your guns. Knowing the "going rate" is all you need to know when it comes to "gifting". The rest is just luck of the draw. Look at it this way: things can only improve; no need for a wingman.

SS.

Partly in response to Pv118:

This is my third visit to Cambodia. I've been here three weeks now.

I love this place. But it can be frustrating. Here are some of my observations:

-When I first arrived for this trip, I bought lady drinks for a couple of young, super hot girls. They both told me that Chinese / Japanese / Koreans are paying $150 for ST. Is it true? I don't know. But I can believe it. The Asian countries are mostly locked down tight. Anyone visiting from one of those countries right now is probably not a regular tourist but rather is here on a government or business visa, and maybe doesn't care much about how much they spend.

-In any case, I usually avoid the young, super hot girls. Besides thinking they have pussies made of gold (and more power to them if they can get $150 for ST! It's just that I'm not going to be a customer), in my experience they're almost always bad at sex.

-But I have been able to find decent LT girls for $40. You just have to hunt around. Good thing that I love hunting around!

-The girls I prefer are the ones who are pretty fresh in from the countryside, not the hardened pros. The downside is that these girls often are bad in bed, no BJ, and they just lay there waiting for you to get it over with. But not always! I've found a few real gems. These are girls whose faces are 7's rather than 10's, but their bodies. More important to me than faces. Are 10's, and who are eager to serve their man, and they love sex.

-For instance, I found a girl several days ago, she's 23, has a very hot body, she seems eager to please me in every way, it's easy to make her come ("you don't come yet? I come already 3 times! And she loves sex. Last night we went at it for an hour, then she gave me a massage for 30 minutes, then I ask, "Sleep now?" and she says, "No, more boom. " Incredible. She gives one of the best BJs I've ever had. And she's pretty new to the game (she is amazed that my hotel has hot water.) When I asked how much she wanted she says those lovely words, "up to you. " I've been giving her $60 a night for LT and basically 8 hours of constant (really good) sex, interspersed with the occasional massage. This is the jackpot I'm always looking for, I'm here for a few more weeks and I'm probably not going to switch away from this girl.

-But this is not unique. I found a girl like this the first time I was in Phnom Penh, and then another one like this the first time I went to Sihanoukville, and then two like this the last time I was here (two years ago.) This is why.

I love Cambodia! (I love the Philippines for the same reason.).

-I'm not saying every girl in Cambodia is like that. But they are here.

-Here are some of the strategies I use: first, as I said, I tend to stay away from the young, cute girls. Let the rich Chinese / Japanese / Korean businessman have those. They're probably terrible in bed anyway. I go for girls who aren't necessarily beautiful in the face, though they have awesome bodies.

-I like to pursue the older girls. You can find ladies in their early 30's who have hot bodies, they know they can't compete with the 22 year olds so they charge much less, but they certainly know what they are doing in the bedroom. They know what you want and they know how to give it to you.

-It seems like most of the larger bars on 130 and 136 are playing rap music. I go for the less frequented bars, and if I can find one where they are playing traditional Khmer music I know I'm on the right track.

-It's difficult but still possible to find a girl who doesn't have a smart phone. If I find a girl who is not leashed to a smartphone, that gets my attention. If you walk by a bar, and the girl out front keeps staring at her smartphone. Keep on walking.

-It seems like lots of Cambodian girls don't want to kiss. If you can find one who wants to kiss you in the bar. She's probably going to be a lot of fun when you get home. Probably not a starfish.

-I don't mind buying lady drinks. They're pretty cheap by my drinking standards back home, and you can learn a lot about the girl before making the commitment of a barfine. If the vibe doesn't feel good after a lady drink, I walk away.

[QUOTE=Buhuiba;2647065]Partly in response to Pv118:
I love this place. But it can be frustrating. Here are some of my observations:
I love Cambodia! (I love the Philippines for the same reason.).
.[/QUOTE]Nice report, Buhuiba. Most important is to stay active and focussed on making things happen, cut on drink & porn and go out into the warm Phnom Penh nights. Take what the city offers. For me the better part of the experience is to be nude with a young, pretty and pristine girl. Petite, young and slim, small breast, small feet, natural and cute is more important than a Cindy Crawford face. Sometimes it is worthwhile to take a tuk tuk and scan brothels outside the river cluster, where Westerners hang out. KTV outside the river zone can also be a hive of gems. Many girls are so dirt poor, but can make a monthly sales staff salary by going with 2 customers a month. Kissing is rare, but that may also be a Covid effect. BBBJ is the norm, BBFS can be had by asking, by not asking or by ramming the condom into pieces inside the bird's little womb. It is true that some young pretties are passive, but they do reciprcate and enjoy being treated tenderly. All of my Khmer girls came. One of them, a tiny 19 yo sneaker factory worker, would not kiss, but would let me penetrate her little anus and accept a facial into her hardened but cute and smiling Khmer face. I easily forego the service of a 30 yo if I can finish in a pretty 19 yo's face.

[QUOTE=Buhuiba;2647065]They both told me that Chinese / Japanese / Koreans are paying $150 for ST. Is it true[/QUOTE]Yes.

And the locals who own all of those Lexus, Mercedes, BMW, Rolls Royce, and Ashton Martins you see around town are paying even more. Visit a KTV with one sometime and you will learn a lot.

Finally, this was the case long before COVID.

Do you guys need to show the booking of a return flight to get the visa on [URL]https://www.evisa.gov.kh[/URL] or are there any requests to show a return flight confirmation at the airport in Phnom Penh?

I'm on the ground here with an issue. I'll post a report at some stage but first I need advice. I won't go into full detail at the moment. There's a freelancer that keeps randomly showing up at mine promising to make trouble for me unless I pay her. I paid her 2 very small amounts. Second time at a police station in which she and the police promised this would end, I'm not so sure about this as no official report was made. Now I can't feel relaxed and don't want to be caught off guard if she shows up a random again. Can anyone "genuinely" offer advice or have experience with this before. Should I attempt to go to another police station and have an official report made, what are my options?

Yes I know I shouldn't pay her and I certainly won't be paying her a cent again but I need to know how to officially put a stop to this. Please message me if you feel you can genuinely help.

[QUOTE=JohnnyO;2662530]I'm on the ground here with an issue. I'll post a report at some stage but first I need advice. I won't go into full detail at the moment. There's a freelancer that keeps randomly showing up at mine promising to make trouble for me unless I pay her. I paid her 2 very small amounts. Second time at a police station in which she and the police promised this would end, I'm not so sure about this as no official report was made. Now I can't feel relaxed and don't want to be caught off guard if she shows up a random again. Can anyone "genuinely" offer advice or have experience with this before. Should I attempt to go to another police station and have an official report made, what are my options?

Yes I know I shouldn't pay her and I certainly won't be paying her a cent again but I need to know how to officially put a stop to this. Please message me if you feel you can genuinely help.[/QUOTE]I'd suggest moving. At the very least talk to your buildings security. Tip them and tell them you don't want her around. If you don't have security then you should move anyways.

[QUOTE=JohnnyO;2662530]I'm on the ground here with an issue. I'll post a report at some stage but first I need advice. I won't go into full detail at the moment. There's a freelancer that keeps randomly showing up at mine promising to make trouble for me unless I pay her. I paid her 2 very small amounts. Second time at a police station in which she and the police promised this would end, I'm not so sure about this as no official report was made. Now I can't feel relaxed and don't want to be caught off guard if she shows up a random again. Can anyone "genuinely" offer advice or have experience with this before. Should I attempt to go to another police station and have an official report made, what are my options?

Yes I know I shouldn't pay her and I certainly won't be paying her a cent again but I need to know how to officially put a stop to this. Please message me if you feel you can genuinely help.[/QUOTE]No body can actually answer this until we know the full story of what you did, will be hard not knowing all the facts, good luck, very bad spot to be in!

[QUOTE=Kommissar1231;2662011]Do you guys need to show the booking of a return flight to get the visa on [URL]https://www.evisa.gov.kh[/URL] or are there any requests to show a return flight confirmation at the airport in Phnom Penh?[/QUOTE]Got my E visa within 7 days and no proof of a return flight out of Cambodia required.

Johnie.

[QUOTE=Johnie;2662633]Got my E visa within 7 days and no proof of a return flight out of Cambodia required.

Johnie.[/QUOTE]

Remember to check with your Airline. Some time they demand that you have a ticket out of Cambodia. Before covid easy to buy a cheap busticket to Ho chi Minh online.

[QUOTE=JohnnyO;2662530]I'm on the ground here with an issue. I'll post a report at some stage but first I need advice. I won't go into full detail at the moment. There's a freelancer that keeps randomly showing up at mine promising to make trouble for me unless I pay her. I paid her 2 very small amounts. Second time at a police station in which she and the police promised this would end, I'm not so sure about this as no official report was made. Now I can't feel relaxed and don't want to be caught off guard if she shows up a random again. Can anyone "genuinely" offer advice or have experience with this before. Should I attempt to go to another police station and have an official report made, what are my options?

Yes I know I shouldn't pay her and I certainly won't be paying her a cent again but I need to know how to officially put a stop to this. Please message me if you feel you can genuinely help.[/QUOTE]From what little you have given us I would simply advise changing hotels and hanging out in different bars than your usual haunts. That should take care of things unless there is more to the story than you have told us. Uhm. So if things have become untenable you can always get out of Phnom for a few days or even skip the country and go to Thailand.

Going to another cop shop will achieve nothing. They know fuck all about what is going on and they won't care. If it is very recent, say a day or 2 you could drop by the original cop shop with a case of beer as "thanks" for their trouble. Big smile, shake a few hands and at least if push comes to shove you have a slightly better chance. If you don't know already money talks in Cambodia and if you want a "report" (hooker bothering me, don't know if I'd want one) you will have to pay for it. 50 bucks should do the trick. She probably has no pull whatsoever and you are worried over nothing but simply switching accommodation as mentioned previously should fix it and is probably cheaper!

[QUOTE=JohnnyO;2662530]I'm on the ground here with an issue. I'll post a report at some stage but first I need advice. I won't go into full detail at the moment. There's a freelancer that keeps randomly showing up at mine promising to make trouble for me unless I pay her. I paid her 2 very small amounts. Second time at a police station in which she and the police promised this would end, I'm not so sure about this as no official report was made. Now I can't feel relaxed and don't want to be caught off guard if she shows up a random again. Can anyone "genuinely" offer advice or have experience with this before. Should I attempt to go to another police station and have an official report made, what are my options?

Yes I know I shouldn't pay her and I certainly won't be paying her a cent again but I need to know how to officially put a stop to this. Please message me if you feel you can genuinely help.[/QUOTE]A similar thing happened to me. A middle aged SW of Vietnamese origin appeared quite friendly and latched onto me about 2 or 3 years ago in PP. She followed me on a shopping expedition and was quite helpful so I invited her to lunch. After lunch, naturally we went back to my hotel for a shower and some fun. After the deed I gave her $5 but she would not take it, created a scene so I threw her out of the room. Created such a commotion in the corridor that the manager came and removed her. Later next day she saw me at Golden Sorya and made a nuisance of herself, so much that I left and walked away. She closely followed me in every direction until I got to Shanghai pub where I signaled a Moto. The moto came and I got on the bike but she started to attack the rider who got off and retaliated in a fight during which her hand bag was torn. I walked away in another direction looking for a police station. After walking for about 25 minutes unable to find any help I got so far in front of her that to my surprise the same Moto rider had been following and quickly rode up for me to get on the back to make an escape. I paid him handsomely when he dropped me off at my hotel.

Fortunately I was leaving town the next day but I was so what nervous when I returned to the same are next year.

O K, some may say I should have paid her more in the first place, however no money was discussed, I bought her lunch and she was a bottom feeder that many guys would not touch. Lesson learned, in this situation always agree on a price before parting the old beef curtain!

Johnie.

[QUOTE=AskeAske;2662749]Remember to check with your Airline. Sometimes they demand that you have a ticket out of Cambodia. Before covid, easy to buy a cheap bus ticket to Ho Chi Minh online.[/QUOTE]Hi there,

I am on my way to PP in two weeks from now, as always I try to inform myself (update my information) regarding what they ask at the border since I know the officers like to improve themselves who sell the most nonsense. So as I told that I have all required documents Covid-19 and other bla bla he told me he advise me to purchase a return flight as land borders are closed, so I would have no issues in case if some ask for it, he add it might be I get rejected to enter, so this scared me, although I guess I was wise enough but hey it was his call and he did push me to think what is more worth to me, after long flight having some P. Sh, bothering me to gain all lost money during pandemic or just get in without hassle+ so I just purchased a flight to BKK in a month I knew I can easily extend my visa at least for one month, but I am going to apply for either business visa or retirement one once I am inside so why bother, and I paid $68 for Leimai airlines flight PP to BKK (I think is to DMK! Any way Nice to be there soon for 60 ieth).

[QUOTE=Kommissar1231;2662011]Do you guys need to show the booking of a return flight to get the visa on [URL]https://www.evisa.gov.kh[/URL] or are there any requests to show a return flight confirmation at the airport in Phnom Penh?[/QUOTE]As noted previously, no flight information is requested or needed upon application for an eVisa to Cambodia. The airline may ask to see a reservation for a flight departing Cambodia. I had this happen the one time I departed the USA Using a one-way ticket. I have never been required to show onward travel arrangements upon arrival at a Cambodian airport.

SS.

Guys I'm the ground here since the last 2 weeks. Another 2 week's to go. I have the lay of the land. If anyone wants to meet up for a beer inbox me.

[QUOTE=JohnnyO;2662530]I'm on the ground here with an issue. I'll post a report at some stage but first I need advice. I won't go into full detail at the moment. There's a freelancer that keeps randomly showing up at mine promising to make trouble for me unless I pay her. I paid her 2 very small amounts. Second time at a police station in which she and the police promised this would end, I'm not so sure about this as no official report was made. Now I can't feel relaxed and don't want to be caught off guard if she shows up a random again. Can anyone "genuinely" offer advice or have experience with this before. Should I attempt to go to another police station and have an official report made, what are my options?

Yes I know I shouldn't pay her and I certainly won't be paying her a cent again but I need to know how to officially put a stop to this. Please message me if you feel you can genuinely help.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=JohnnyO;2664679]Guys I'm the ground here since the last 2 weeks. Another 2 week's to go. I have the lay of the land. If anyone wants to meet up for a beer inbox me.[/QUOTE]Looks like you have found a solution to your earlier problem.

Did it end with the payment at the police station?

From your experience, do you have any advice for anyone who might encounter a similar problem in the future?

[QUOTE=AussieGuy100;2634581]enjoy about 150 girly bars[/QUOTE]How many girls per bar?

Does anyone have any information on the mechanics of taking girls back to your hotel?

I will be in PP later this month, and my hotel has messaged me about requirements for all guests to have original passports and vaccination certificates. Do you know whether these rules are strictly enforced and if so whether bar girls all carry these documents with them?

Thanks.

Norman.

[QUOTE=NormanBrightside;2665859]I will be in PP later this month, and my hotel has messaged me about requirements for all guests to have original passports and vaccination certificates. Do you know whether these rules are strictly enforced and if so whether bar girls all carry these documents with them?[/QUOTE]Change hotels immediately. Book a hotel near or on Street 136. No issues. Those hotels know why guys stay there.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2666164]Change hotels immediately. Book a hotel near or on Street 136. No issues. Those hotels know why guys stay there.[/QUOTE]Thanks Banana Boi. My hotel is the Sun and Moon which is right in the middle of the bars, so I hope it's ok. Does anyone else have any recent experiences of this hotel or ones around the bar areas?

Cheers.

Norman.

[QUOTE=NormanBrightside;2666192]Thanks Banana Boi. My hotel is the Sun and Moon which is right in the middle of the bars, so I hope it's ok. Does anyone else have any recent experiences of this hotel or ones around the bar areas?.[/QUOTE]Sun and moon used to be very girl friendly, but who knows now with all the BS going on, ask them outright through email, WhatsApp or landline so you know the answer before to late to cancel, I know riverside as well "used "to be zero jam up, good luck.

[QUOTE=NormanBrightside;2666192]Thanks Banana Boi. My hotel is the Sun and Moon which is right in the middle of the bars, so I hope it's ok. Does anyone else have any recent experiences of this hotel or ones around the bar areas?.[/QUOTE]Sun and Moon is a good hotel, great location but they have some rather silly rules. As BB suggests a change of hotels might be the best move.

Firstly many thanks to BB, Racshack and Blanquiceleste. I really appreciate the advice and sharing.

In pre-Covid times I would roll my eyes at yet another "is the hotel GF" ask when the answer is always simply RTFF. However where we are now, for the time being at least it's a very different landscape than it was in 2019, so the more we can help each other navigate the new landscape the better. Communalism rather than individualism I guess.

I've got a great deal on a suite in Sun and Moon so I will check with the hotel as RacShack suggested and report back. And if I can dodge Covid from now until the my departure I'll post my experiences. First time out of Singapore for 3 years. Can't wait.

Cheers.

Norman.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2666231]Sun and Moon is a good hotel, great location but they have some rather silly rules. As BB suggests a change of hotels might be the best move.[/QUOTE]I was in Sun and Moon hotel just when the pandemia start and just few days before they close the country. But I'll never go back there! Each time ladies must show their ID to go in rooms. And when ladies don't have ID and even if they show the copy of their ID they refuse the lady go in the room.

Last time, I was on the pool of the hotel and my lady came to me but didn't have her ID. I told them she can come to the bar and pool of the hotel. We took a drink together. But after we decided go my room, and the reception called me in my room to ask me the lady to leave my room because she didn't show her ID. In reception, they have nothing to do and they check where go the customers of the hotel go with their ladies.

I'll never go back there!

[QUOTE=Gilolo;2666432]I was in Sun and Moon hotel just when the pandemia start and just few days before they close the country. But I'll never go back there! Each time ladies must show their ID to go in rooms. And when ladies don't have ID and even if they show the copy of their ID they refuse the lady go in the room.

Last time, I was on the pool of the hotel and my lady came to me but didn't have her ID. I told them she can come to the bar and pool of the hotel. We took a drink together. But after we decided go my room, and the reception called me in my room to ask me the lady to leave my room because she didn't show her ID. In reception, they have nothing to do and they check where go the customers of the hotel go with their ladies.

I'll never go back there![/QUOTE]Thanks Gilolo,

I've taken everyone's advice and have switched hotels to the TAO Riverside which is nearby and hopefully less fussy than the Sun & Moon.

Again many thanks all for the really helpful advice!

Norman.

[QUOTE=NormanBrightside;2666677]Thanks Gilolo,

I've taken everyone's advice and have switched hotels to the TAO Riverside which is nearby and hopefully less fussy than the Sun & Moon.

Again many thanks all for the really helpful advice!

Norman.[/QUOTE]Hopefully?

I stayed at Hotel De Arts, which is right opposite the Night Market and in the heart of RLD. Its a decent hotel and I liked its bathroom which does not have a door but covered by big glass. You can enjoy bath with the girl together or just watch her taking bath! I recommend the hotel and it is absolutely girl friendly. No questions asked. No ID required any time by the girls. I have taken multiple girls on the same day.

[QUOTE=NormanBrightside;2666420]Firstly many thanks to BB, Racshack and Blanquiceleste. I really appreciate the advice and sharing.

In pre-Covid times I would roll my eyes at yet another "is the hotel GF" ask when the answer is always simply RTFF. However where we are now, for the time being at least it's a very different landscape than it was in 2019, so the more we can help each other navigate the new landscape the better. Communalism rather than individualism I guess..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=FunExplorer;2666711]I stayed at Hotel De Arts, which is right opposite the Night Market and in the heart of RLD. Its a decent hotel and I liked its bathroom which does not have a door but covered by big glass. You can enjoy bath with the girl together or just watch her taking bath! I recommend the hotel and it is absolutely girl friendly. No questions asked. No ID required any time by the girls. I have taken multiple girls on the same day.[/QUOTE]Thank's FunExplorer.

I checked with TAO. No vaccine cert but they need a copy of an ID or passport (original isn't needed). So I guess light orange compared to the very green Hotel Des Arts. As most hotel booking sites are giving free cancellation and nothing to pay until a couple of days before you arrive, I will probably book both and then mull it over. I really like the large balcony and riverside view of the TAO, and the girl having ID helps ensure that you don't end up with an underaged girl.

Cheers,

Norman.

During my stay back in 2017, I did not come across any under aged girls. Nevertheless, I agree ID helps to prevent that. But many hotels do not really check!

[QUOTE=NormanBrightside;2666962]Thank's FunExplorer.

I checked with TAO. No vaccine cert but they need a copy of an ID or passport (original isn't needed). So I guess light orange compared to the very green Hotel Des Arts. As most hotel booking sites are giving free cancellation and nothing to pay until a couple of days before you arrive, I will probably book both and then mull it over. I really like the large balcony and riverside view of the TAO, and the girl having ID helps ensure that you don't end up with an underaged girl..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=NormanBrightside;2666962]I checked with TAO. No vaccine cert but they need a copy of an ID or passport (original isn't needed). So I guess light orange compared to the very green Hotel Des Arts. As most hotel booking sites are giving free cancellation and nothing to pay until a couple of days before you arrive, I will probably book both and then mull it over. I really like the large balcony and riverside view of the TAO, and the girl having ID helps ensure that you don't end up with an underaged girl.[/QUOTE]Hi Norman,

What are the requirements to enter Cambodia nowadays? Did they open up the country lately?

I stayed at TAO for one night, the room was big but the place was very overpriced in my opinion (60 dollars) but I didn't have the balcony on the riverside, mine was on the street.

If I remember correctly the night clerk was locking the lobby's door at night, I had to wake him up to enter the hotel after a night out.

And taking the girl's ID was already something they were doing pre-covid, he even called me to check if everything was ok before giving her ID back.

Hey Paolo,

A tourist visa which cost $38 if I recall. Very straightforward but it did take about 7 days for the approval confirmation. Then assuming you are fully vaccinated a negative PCR test up to 72 hours before flying and an ART test on arrival which you have to wait at the airport to get the results.

You're right I'm paying $60 and that is a little pricey for a hotel with the high end facilities such as a pool and gym. But I like the idea of a large balcony over looking the riverside, it's also a high floor and is near to the action. So I'm willing to pay for that.

Cheers.

Norman.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2667140]Hi Norman,

What are the requirements to enter Cambodia nowadays? Did they open up the country lately?

I stayed at TAO for one night, the room was big but the place was very overpriced in my opinion (60 dollars) but I didn't have the balcony on the riverside, mine was on the street.

If I remember correctly the night clerk was locking the lobby's door at night, I had to wake him up to enter the hotel after a night out.

And taking the girl's ID was already something they were doing pre-covid, he even called me to check if everything was ok before giving her ID back.[/QUOTE]

I was just in Cambodia, and I stayed at the Sun&Moon and also at the Lux Riverside. The Sun&Moon is way nicer (and very cheap right now), but it is definitely more rigid about their guest policy -- they require ID and a Vax card. Still, that only caused an issue once when I took back a girl who doesn't normally do bar fines (it worked out, I convinced the desk man to let it slide that she didn't have her vax card with). The Lux is older and has fewer amenities, but is more chill about guests. IMO, virtually anything above $30 in the riverside area will be fine.

One thing to note about your return journey is that a PCR test in Cambodia will set you back $130.

It's generally true that the hostess bars in Phnom Penh are all "take-out" establishments. When you find a girl you like, you pay the barfine and take her back to your hotel. However, I was just in PP and actually found at least one bar that has on-site ST rooms -- there may be more in that area.

Specifically on a street parallel to the river between 110 and 118 (one block west from the main river road) there are several hostess bars, and I suspect more than one of them may have ST rooms. The ST room I used was technically an apartment reached by going out of the bar, which is probably how they avoid legal scrutiny. Even though the room was a bit ramshackle and the "AC" was just some fans, I picked a really good one and got one of the best lays of my whole trip.

If you're adventurous, or are too horny to care about the accommodations, it's worth a look.

I stayed 6 days at sun and moon hotel. They require original ID and vaccine card and charge 10 $ Per girl. This hotel probably has the nicest pool, but you can access it if you aren't staying there for 10/ day (sometimes for free because they don't come ask you for the money, all you have to do is walk to the back of the lobby and to the elevator to the top floor). I should've stayed in tao riverside because they don't ask for ID and don't charge per girl. I paid anywhere from 50-100/ night. The hotter the girl the more you pay, also I'd they are 18/19 lowest I saw was 80. Pretty slow not a lot of farang. I had some great girls. I'd say about half of them did not do BJ. 6 girls total this trip. 3 let me have sex no condom, loved stuffing those tiny little things.

Its A bit of a hassle getting through customs because they want a visa (usually takes 3 days, but I got one within 24 h using evisa and require a pcr). To get around I used tuk tuk, they usually charge 3 dollars to get around the district. You can download "pass app" and it's much cheaper. GRAB app was useless for transportation.

I like it better than Thailand (been there twice previously). The reason I like it better than Thailand is because the girls are overall more friendly. I'm a big black guy about 5'11 245 muscular football frame. In Thailand on multiple occasions girls would say "NO" to barfine in bars and gogo. The girls are way more particular in Thailand. I was never refused service by any girls in Cambodia and all of the ones I picked were absolutely mind-blowingly tiny. It was greattt. It's incredibly depressing to be turned down by some tiny Asian girl stunner working in a working girl house. One very annoying this I encountered was talking to a girl only to find out they don't go with customers. I don't understand that at all. The girls would say "you are cute I like you, but I no go with customer". I asked if they have BF or sponsor and they say no. It was always the younger girls that were 18. Despite that I had 2 18 year olds that were fantastic, who did not object to barfine. I can't make heads or tails why some of the young ones went and why the others didn't. Some parts of the culture and customs are very strange. They girls call cousins "sister" even if they aren't sisters.

I talked to a few girls and the stories they share are sad. For some reason every single girl working in the bar is because their mothers is "sick". I think I'm Khmer culture sick has multiple meaning which include health and non-health related things, including poverty but I'm not sure. It's incredibly weird that all the girls I talked to had the same back story. Started working because they are poor and have a sick mother. Not sure how much of it is BS.

Have any of you guys sponsored any of these girls and tried to get them an education or out of the bar? I met a dynamite girl who I would considered sponsoring who looks like a Goddess but I don't know how that works. Are the girls typically loyal or does it vary on an individual basis? Anyone have any experience with this?

[QUOTE=TitanJones;2675810]Have any of you guys sponsored any of these girls and tried to get them an education or out of the bar? I met a dynamite girl who I would considered sponsoring who looks like a Goddess but I don't know how that works. Are the girls typically loyal or does it vary on an individual basis? Anyone have any experience with this?[/QUOTE]I sponsored one bargirl 30+ years ago who was dancing on Soi Cowboy. 19 years old with a 4 year old son. I'd met her over about 3 trips in 18 months. Readily identifiable as an honest, no bullshit type of person. Very "unThai". She only had a 3rd grade education. Her Thai husband had left her shortly after their kid was born. He was almost twice her age. No sick mother or buffalo. Needed to support her kid and parents. (She had two cousins doing the same work.) She jumped at the chance of going for vocational training; she decided to try "hair school". 6 months program. Tuition and a stipend was provided by yours truly. Stipend was administered by a trustworthy Thai friend in BKK. He checked weekly at the school to make sure she was attending and progressing. If not, the stipend / sponsorship would be terminated. She finished and mailed me a fancy invitation to her graduation ceremony in BKK. That was very interesting. Loyal? 200%. She got married to a good Thai guy who had a good job at a Thai uni. He got her a job there and she has been employed at the uni for close to 30 years. LOL Loyal? After her husband died unexpectedly, she resumed our previous relationship. I chat with her from time to time on Facebook. She's a real gem. She's a grandmother you'd like to F+++ (Still trim and very well aged.) She is the only bargirl I've even considered for a fleeting moment to sponsor. Without the help of my Thai buddy in making sure she followed through, I would not have done it. Indeed, I'd generally stay clear of any sponsorship of a bargirl.

SS.

[QUOTE=TitanJones;2675810]I talked to a few girls and the stories they share are sad. For some reason every single girl working in the bar is because their mothers is "sick". I think I'm Khmer culture sick has multiple meaning which include health and non-health related things, including poverty but I'm not sure. It's incredibly weird that all the girls I talked to had the same back story. Started working because they are poor and have a sick mother. Not sure how much of it is BS.

Have any of you guys sponsored any of these girls and tried to get them an education or out of the bar? I met a dynamite girl who I would considered sponsoring who looks like a Goddess but I don't know how that works. Are the girls typically loyal or does it vary on an individual basis? Anyone have any experience with this?[/QUOTE]If this isn't your first trip to Asia you would not ask this question. A less painful way to part with your money would be to burn it.

As for turning a WG into a housewife. Kingdoms have been lost. Don't waste your time contemplating such matters.

Brother. Finally Covid Restrictions are at its lowest and Cambodia seems to be a nice place to start AGAIN.

Quick Question: Usually, the birds in Philippine's run away to the province to celebrate such holidays. Hence trying out a new destination, Phnom Penh.

Worth traveling to the city on Khumer New Year Weekend? Will be clubs be empty or buzzing? Choose another weekend or this one would be more fun?

Thanks for in advance for your help guys! Can't wait to hear from you and plan accordingly!!

[QUOTE=LoveTraveller;2678200]Brother. Finally Covid Restrictions are at its lowest and Cambodia seems to be a nice place to start AGAIN.

Quick Question: Usually, the birds in Philippine's run away to the province to celebrate such holidays. Hence trying out a new destination, Phnom Penh.

Worth traveling to the city on Khumer New Year Weekend? Will be clubs be empty or buzzing? Choose another weekend or this one would be more fun?

Thanks for in advance for your help guys! Can't wait to hear from you and plan accordingly!![/QUOTE]I was there 3/19 to 3/23 to go Siem Reap. The bar at 136 area was pretty dead. Plenty of girls but rarely any customers. They all want 100-200 for long time. I didn't bother checking out KTV. And I can't for the life of me find any happy massage places.

Just a quick report.

I was in PP in early March and as others have mentioned street 136 is full of girls but very few customers. I ended up taking a girl for 40 USD ST. She was actually happy for it to be LT at the same price but I had things to do the next day so needed to be up early. The girl was early 20's, pretty enough although not stunning and happy to kiss, OWO and in fact bareback too if I wanted. Service was pretty good too. I stayed at the TAO Riverside which is nice and convenient and they held the girls ID but didn't need a vaccine cert. They also called me before they handed the ID back to ensure everything was ok.

All in all, PP is a good place to hobby at the moment, albeit limited on things to do during the day.

Norman.

And are there any escort sites to pick from or any way to find online outcall girls or do I have to hunt for them in person and then bring them to my hotel / Airbnb?

Is it worth visiting phnom phen during New year week, April 10-15?

This would be my first time.

Any tips would be appreciated.

Not a fan of getting told no by a working girl and it seems to only happen in asia. Especially Japan and Korea. Good to hear you had a good time.

Sponsoring a girl whose story is depressing is probably not a good idea. But college is much cheaper and cost of living is low. If you believe in giving to something might as well be a girl that made you smile and you could visit anytime you are in Asia. The girl I sponsor meets me in different countries and helping her finish college will change her and her families lives. Try to remember though like the other guy said, she is using the money to have a better life and not wasting it.

[QUOTE=TitanJones;2675810]I stayed 6 days at sun and moon hotel. They require original ID and vaccine card and charge 10 $ Per girl. This hotel probably has the nicest pool, but you can access it if you aren't staying there for 10/ day (sometimes for free because they don't come ask you for the money, all you have to do is walk to the back of the lobby and to the elevator to the top floor). I should've stayed in tao riverside because they don't ask for ID and don't charge per girl. I paid anywhere from 50-100/ night. The hotter the girl the more you pay, also I'd they are 18/19 lowest I saw was 80. Pretty slow not a lot of farang. I had some great girls. I'd say about half of them did not do BJ. 6 girls total this trip. 3 let me have sex no condom, loved stuffing those tiny little things.

Its A bit of a hassle getting through customs because they want a visa (usually takes 3 days, but I got one within 24 h using evisa and require a pcr). To get around I used tuk tuk, they usually charge 3 dollars to get around the district. You can download "pass app" and it's much cheaper. GRAB app was useless for transportation.

I like it better than Thailand (been there twice previously). The reason I like it better than Thailand is because the girls are overall more friendly. I'm a big black guy about 5'11 245 muscular football frame. In Thailand on multiple occasions girls would say "NO" to barfine in bars and gogo. The girls are way more particular in Thailand. I was never refused service by any girls in Cambodia and all of the ones I picked were absolutely mind-blowingly tiny. It was greattt. It's incredibly depressing to be turned down by some tiny Asian girl stunner working in a working girl house. One very annoying this I encountered was talking to a girl only to find out they don't go with customers. I don't understand that at all. The girls would say "you are cute I like you, but I no go with customer". I asked if they have BF or sponsor and they say no. It was always the younger girls that were 18. Despite that I had 2 18 year olds that were fantastic, who did not object to barfine. I can't make heads or tails why some of the young ones went and why the others didn't. Some parts of the culture and customs are very strange. They girls call cousins "sister" even if they aren't sisters.

I talked to a few girls and the stories they share are sad. For some reason every single girl working in the bar is because their mothers is "sick". I think I'm Khmer culture sick has multiple meaning which include health and non-health related things, including poverty but I'm not sure. It's incredibly weird that all the girls I talked to had the same back story. Started working because they are poor and have a sick mother. Not sure how much of it is BS.

Have any of you guys sponsored any of these girls and tried to get them an education or out of the bar? I met a dynamite girl who I would considered sponsoring who looks like a Goddess but I don't know how that works. Are the girls typically loyal or does it vary on an individual basis? Anyone have any experience with this?[/QUOTE]

Is BBFS CIP (creampie finish) easily available in Phnom Penh? I am on the verge of pulling the trigger and going to Cambodia since I am just to reluctant to play Covid games in PI or Pattaya.

For what it is worth. And maybe to bring some value. I went to Jakarta Indo and had the same question. Although I PM'ed a few of you guys. Was very happy that BBFS was the standard.

Also. Seems Cambo might be cheaper. And I am just looking for some open minded ladies who are submissive but Condom sex isn't for me.

[QUOTE=TravelingJohn#2;2683243]Not a fan of getting told no by a working girl and it seems to only happen in Asia. Especially Japan and Korea. Good to hear you had a good time.

Sponsoring a girl whose story is depressing is probably not a good idea. But college is much cheaper and the cost of living is low. If you believe in giving to something might as well be a girl that made you smile and you could visit anytime you are in Asia. The girl I sponsor meets me in different countries and helping her finish college will change her and her family's lives. Try to remember though as the other guy said, she is using the money to have a better life and not wasting it.[/QUOTE]Well said. If you really understand where the women are coming from and you have made a real connection, then like in any other relationship you spend time and resources helping to make both your lives work well together. This is always a complicated decision. The more you understand yourself the easier this decision is.

Understand, this is an opportunity to connect with someone who would be impossible to connect with, and enjoy the opportunity while doing the right thing under most usual circumstances! Win, win!

Always make sure you do a serious risk assessment first. Remember your weakness, the crazy girls are the most fun! Find your safe zone and defend it.

There is a little more softness in Cambodian women. I just visited it for the 3rd time and it is still top of my list.

[QUOTE=GentileBear;2685611]Is BBFS CIP (creampie finish) easily available in Phnom Penh? I am on the verge of pulling the trigger and going to Cambodia since I am just to reluctant to play Covid games in PI or Pattaya.

For what it is worth. And maybe to bring some value. I went to Jakarta Indo and had the same question. Although I PM'ed a few of you guys. Was very happy that BBFS was the standard.

Also. Seems Cambo might be cheaper. And I am just looking for some open minded ladies who are submissive but Condom sex isn't for me.[/QUOTE]Hi,

I confirm you that BBFS is a standard in Cambodia, especially in PP. Girls never ask you to put a condom! If they ask you, it's because they think you can pay them an extra to do it without.

[QUOTE=Djspk;2675704]I was just in Cambodia, and I stayed at the Sun&Moon and also at the Lux Riverside. The Sun&Moon is way nicer (and very cheap right now), but it is definitely more rigid about their guest policy -- they require ID and a Vax card. Still, that only caused an issue once when I took back a girl who doesn't normally do bar fines (it worked out, I convinced the desk man to let it slide that she didn't have her vax card with). The Lux is older and has fewer amenities, but is more chill about guests. IMO, virtually anything above $30 in the riverside area will be fine.

One thing to note about your return journey is that a PCR test in Cambodia will set you back $130.[/QUOTE]Try the Pasteur Institute it's only $80 there.

[QUOTE=Gilolo;2687082]Hi,

I confirm you that BBFS is a standard in Cambodia, especially in PP. Girls never ask you to put a condom! If they ask you, it's because they think you can pay them an extra to do it without.[/QUOTE]Thank you Gilolo!

Any other words of wisdom? Are these ladies "nicer" and less "professional" than Pattaya? I enjoy long time and want to have the ladies over for the full night. I don't like short time gigs.

Anyway, thanks for your info!

[QUOTE=GentileBear;2687936]Thank you Gilolo!

Any other words of wisdom? Are these ladies "nicer" and less "professional" than Pattaya? I enjoy long time and want to have the ladies over for the full night. I don't like short time gigs.

Anyway, thanks for your info![/QUOTE]Well it depends on the lady you take. The first time I was in Cambodia, I stay with the lady 1 full week! She was the most beautiful girl of PP for me. We fuck together everyday bareback! But when you stay long time with a girl, she costs you a lot of money. Not with cash! But when you're on holidays with her, you pay all visits, expensive hotels and you make her many gifts + cash you give her! So finally it's not so cheap!

But what I like to do is to mix, have this lady now few days and then go fuck ladies for short time too.

Finally got to visit the Phnom Penh. Stayed at Amanjaya Pancam Suites Hotel, a very short walk from 136. Choose to travel during their new years. Not a very wise idea.

Limited inventory. But ok. Not too great. 100 usd for a few hours. 150 usd for long. WOW & Amazing were the places we ended up every night, having checked out the other places before. Drinks - 4 usd for a Jack Coke, 4. 5 USd for ladies drink. Beer. 6 usd for Jack Coke for girls.

Everyone in the bar is available. Manager, cashier, the lot. Just ask for what you like.

Place wasnt as crowded at first. But got buzy closer to checkout dates.

Took a boat tour. Booked the whole boat for usd100 for 2 hrs. We were 6 guys and equivalent girls.

They fall in love so fast. Cry if we switch girls from the same bar.

Would I go back again, maybe.

PP is alive and kicking. Can't compare it to pre-covid as it's my first time here, but the bars in the river district are open. Plenty of cute young (legal!) girls but not so many customers. I asked the girls at the bar across from my hotel last night (a Friday night), and it was 7 girls working. 3 inside with only one customer and 4 outside trying to tout me in. All four were well doable but as you'll see, I set the bar a bit low. YMMV. I got nothing further to share on the bar front as it's not my scene, but I can report it looks good from the street.

Went in for a massage earlyish in the evening. Wanted an actual decent massage so picked a place with older gals. They age pretty well in this part of the world. Good enough for a HJ and like I said I was really after a legit massage as priority one anyway. My choice turned out to be a pretty decent masseuse, so mission accomplished. The HJ finish quickly turned to BBFS, which I was cool with. Total damage: $12 US for the massage and $20 for the pussy. That's a little on the high side for the massage, but on the low side for the pussy. Call it the past her prime discount, but past her prime was still plenty good enough to get the job done.

I'm currently in Pattaya, coming to Phnom Penh next week and looking forward to writing some reports for the forum. I was last in PP in 2019, it will be interesting to see how things have changed.

On their FB page I saw that Crycee was open- which is great because I remember this spot as being the only "sure thing" in a world of Drink Queen Hostess Bars- although the quality was often lacking. I'm wondering out loud if there are any other similar such establishments that have opened.

Currently in Pattaya there is a shortage of young, hot girls which is causing barfines, ST and LT inflate. I look forward to comparing this situation to Phnom Penh, which from the little written here and on other forums, seems to be faring a bit better.

See you guys soon.

RS.

[QUOTE=RakSopheni;2704989]I'm currently in Pattaya, coming to Phnom Penh next week and looking forward to writing some reports for the forum. I was last in PP in 2019, it will be interesting to see how things have changed.[/QUOTE]I read through your historical forum posts and note 1) you have traveled through South America & Caribbean and 2) look for BBFS with spinners. Based on your experience, do you think Thailand / Cambodia / Philippines is worth the travel headache vs. Sticking with Medellin for example?

I've spent a lot of time in South America & Caribbean as well and don't have trouble finding BBFS. Trying to figure out if a long, expensive trip to Asia is worth it. Appreciate your thoughts.

Went out again last night (Sunday), and feel like I need to revise my previous report of "alive and kicking," from Friday night. It's alive, but things were substantially more subdued. Maybe because of the election, I don't know, but definitely slower than Friday. At least half of the businesses were closed. Still more providers than customers--and yes there are plenty of spinners in there for you picky guys--so don't be discouraged. Just not the same wide open feel I reported a few days ago.

[QUOTE=Playboy2021;2705110]I read through your historical forum posts and note 1) you have traveled through South America & Caribbean and 2) look for BBFS with spinners. Based on your experience, do you think Thailand / Cambodia / Philippines is worth the travel headache vs. Sticking with Medellin for example?

I've spent a lot of time in South America & Caribbean as well and don't have trouble finding BBFS. Trying to figure out if a long, expensive trip to Asia is worth it. Appreciate your thoughts.[/QUOTE]Hey Playboy,

I won't to go too long in my answer because the subject is not directly related to Phnom Penh, but it does include it in a general sense so I think it's OK.

I took a look at your post and saw you are a mid-thirties guy, probably could get good sex without any "help" so YMMV.

Like you said, I've spent a significant amount of time in Colombia, Caribbean and Brazil seeking BBFSCIP, CIM with petite spinners and I would say the short answer is LATAM is very sub-standard to SEA in that respect. It's possible to find those things there (LATAM), but unless you play the long SA game, want to pay extra with Centro and SF streetwalkers, its really hard to get anything more than a BJ uncovered. I mean it does happen, but it's rare and costly and doesn't flow naturally. You say its no problem for you, so maybe we have a different experience.

On the flipside, I'm having and have had amazing BBFSCIP, CIM in SEA on a daily, sometimes 2 girls a day for a reasonable price. The only reason I was mongering in LATAM is because SEA was closed 2020-2021. Now that things are up and running again it's doubtful I will return (maybe Rio but that's it). All the guys on the MDE forum fighting over Centro girls, and freezing your butt off in Bogota to try to score some 18 yr old Vennie for BBFS for 10 minutes now seems sort of sad too me.

The reason to monger exclusively in LATAM would be if you have a fetish for this Latinas, anal (in Brazil), speak fluent Spanish or Portuguese and or the cost and time to come to SEA is prohibitive to you.

Hope that helps.

RS.

[QUOTE=RakSopheni;2705340]Hope that helps.[/QUOTE]Very helpful. Thank you much. Guess I'm headed to SEA! Be well.

Could you suggest few good places like the one you mentioned. Lot of mongers do not haggle and pay more than they should. This is a bad trend in whole Asia. At this rate it will be cheaper to travel Amsterdam than travelling to Asia. Messaging is not available. Otherwise I would have DM.

[QUOTE=Chop;2704624]PP is alive and kicking. Can't compare it to pre-covid as it's my first time here, but the bars in the river district are open. Plenty of cute young (legal!) girls but not so many customers. I asked the girls at the bar across from my hotel last night (a Friday night), and it was 7 girls working. 3 inside with only one customer and 4 outside trying to tout me in. All four were well doable but as you'll see, I set the bar a bit low. YMMV. I got nothing further to share on the bar front as it's not my scene, but I can report it looks good from the street.

Went in for a massage earlyish in the evening. Wanted an actual decent massage so picked a place with older gals. They age pretty well in this part of the world. Good enough for a HJ and like I said I was really after a legit massage as priority one anyway. My choice turned out to be a pretty decent masseuse, so mission accomplished. The HJ finish quickly turned to BBFS, which I was cool with. Total damage: $12 US for the massage and $20 for the pussy. That's a little on the high side for the massage, but on the low side for the pussy. Call it the past her prime discount, but past her prime was still plenty good enough to get the job done.[/QUOTE]

Hi Friends,

Can someone confirm if Nagaworld hotel is Girl Friendly? Any restrictions .

Thanks.

Mitian.

[QUOTE=Mitian1994;2706265]Hi Friends,

Can someone confirm if Nagaworld hotel is Girl Friendly? Any restrictions .

Thanks.

Mitian.[/QUOTE]It is friendly. There are girls parading around the casino downstairs and several of them group at the bar of the casino (part of the hotel). So you may not even need to venue into town if you see someone you like. Though be warned. They are significantly more expensive than picking up girls in the girlie bars in town. Tuk Tuk to 136/130 is cheap and I have taken 2 girls back from pool bars to the hotel, even taken them into the casino, bought them drinks then up to the room despite it being very clear (from dress) that they are working girls. The hotel is split into Naga 1 and Naga 2 - not a lot of difference. I preferred 1 than 2 (fitness centre). Very unlikely you will have any issue on reception taking girls back.

[QUOTE=SGK45;2706230]Could you suggest few good places like the one you mentioned.[/QUOTE]Any of the massage shops within the first couple blocks of the river plaza. Say from St 118 to St 154 ish. The tell is older women women working. Massage shop staff tend to be all youngsters or all older past their prime gals. The young ones look better but they ask more, and for my money the older ones are just plain better at it anyway. Also you usually get a decent massage. Fat chance of that with the young ones. For the record, the one I posted about was on St 148. Don't remember the name. I think it's the only one on 148 between the river and that rats nest of a market.

Careful trying this at shops outside the river district. I didn't, but I know from Thailand that a lot of the massage shops staffed by older women are not hand job joints. I would assume the same is true for the shops in the less sketchy parts of PP but again, I didn't try.

[QUOTE]Messaging is not available. Otherwise I would have DM.[/QUOTE]Yeah, no DMs for me. Sorry.

[QUOTE=PayForIt;2706334] There are girls parading around the casino downstairs and several of them group at the bar of the casino (part of the hotel). [/QUOTE]Is Darling Darling still open? What about the massage places above the casino? What are their current prices of both?

I arrive at my hotel near Riverside at around 19:00 a bit tired, hungover and with a headache. That morning I triple teamed a z-pak, doxycycline, and ciprofloxacin just to root out any devious bacteria that might be silently lurking after 3 weeks tearing through Pattaya BB and it's making my head swim, some nausea and affecting my libido. Phnom Penh rush hour is not great either.

I've been messaging a provider I had a great experience with 3 years ago pre-pandemic who I also recently found on social media. At some point in the interim she stopped posting pictures of her body (which was hot) and now we just see shots of her face in tik tok videos singing sad songs and FB posts about being alone. She seems sad. Nevertheless I have this idealized image of her because of our amazing sex 3 years ago and so arrange to meet at her bar on 130 street. I dash through the rain and there she is, 3 years later. Same person, but yes she has gained some weight and now is not really doing it for me. We have an awkward drink- her personality was also much sexier 3 years ago. She- of course- did not remember me as I'm probably just one face, one dick, in a sea of anonymous sex that all blurs into one undifferentiated continuum. I tell her I just wanted to meet and will not be taking her back, she says that she's fine but I can tell she's a bit sad, especially because I expressed interest in the very young and hot girls slinking around the bar. I had to ask them and "no" they do not go with men "only drink". Looked a bit young in any case.

After a brief rest I'm back and this time on 136 street. I figure I will start at the top and work my way down to Riverside and so I walk up to the first group of presentable ladies on that end and choose one for a drink. She's 20, from a remote area of Cambodia, and speaks no English. Through google translate I also learn she is very new and inexperienced and seems a bit nervous. At first she says she doesn't do boom boom, but after a drink and my gentle persuasions, she seems up for the idea of yum yum. I made the mistake of asking a mamasan (or mamasan adjacent staff) to come sit with us and have some drinks. These drink bills really really add up my dudes. I always have the instinct to be generous and have a little party but my face always melts when I look at the drink bill alone, not even counting the barfine or ST rate.

At any event, the young lady agrees to give it a try for 50 USD. I think the barfine was around 12 USD, and we are soon back in my hotel. This girl is very beautiful and young, a kind of innocence exudes from her- which is great and everything but doesn't really do it for me so much. We take it slow and ease into a gentle blowjob- which is ok and it's nice to see such a beautiful woman down there, but I really need that hot action, eye contact, etc- so I'm only at ¾ mast. On the bed I give her a couple of fingers which she really really seems to enjoy and she continues the BJ a bit. I try to finish on her face, but she looked like she really didn't want it, and it's super hard for me to finish in those conditions so I just give up after a while. Didn't get around to sex or anything but I got the feel that BBFS was on the table if we had. I'm sure another man would've been banging her silly, but I respond to these non-verbal queues and really need it to be a collaboration not a lesson. I knew this was the risk in taking a new, young, inexperienced girl- but so be it. We have some nice pillow talk and she is on her way $50 richer, pondering if maybe she should go with men more and start making some real money.

I'm starting to feel a bit sicker- my head is swimming- but I'm also frustrated that I haven't shot my shot yet. I resolve to go to a bar and just have a beer- so I chose one right by my hotel. Of course a lady inside forces the drink issue- I tell her I'm not interested and just want a beer and she says she understands, but somehow end up buying her a beer. I try to ask her questions about the Hostess Bar scene and get some info, but honestly she's not very useful. I tell her I'm sad because I haven't shot my shot yet- and she pulls over a cute girl, petite with large breasts and says this girl could help me out- that she really knows what she's doing in the BJ category and would be happy to allow a finish in mouth. In my inebriated state I start to think this might be a good idea and just what I need. I hold up a $50 which she snatches from my hand and says lets go to your hotel. I'm not sure why I allowed this- I think I probably was visibly drunk and also feeling sick.

It's at this time as we walk out the door I realize this girl is walking with some sort of scoliosis limp and is not a fully abled person. My stomach sinks as I realize I just agreed to ST with what Americans would call a handicap person. At that point it seemed like it was a done deal so I just rolled with it, still clinging to the hope I could shoot my shot. Up in the room, things get even worse when it turns out that the promises made by the other girl prove false, that this girl is actually a nanny- she's only worked at the bar 1 week, has never gone with a man, and has not sucked a dick in years. Nevertheless I give it the old college try but in between her giggles and me fully realizing I'm having a handicap person give me a blowjob- any blood that might've been in my dick slowly drains away leaving a limp little jelly worm in its place. Sitting in a chair I slump over her, and she somewhat rescues the situation by giving me an amazing head massage, and then we go to the bed and gives me an amazing back massage. I ask her about her life and she sympathizes with me. So not a total loss because it was very relaxing- but clearly I made a terrible, terrible choice in a moment of weakness. Good story though.

I'm trying to develop a strategy for dealing with [B] Phnom Penh Hostess Bars[/B] which are unique from Pattaya generally in that there is no obligation for the girl to go with you for short time. In fact many of these girls have never been with a man and essentially act as eye candy to draw in pikers. This presents a problem because you usually need to buy them a drink to discover this information, and this can drain time and money. Not only that I'm getting the suspicion that in this environment where many of the girls are inexperienced, any sex that you do manage to have will be something of a learning experience for the lady- which for me is not terribly satisfying. I'm going to give it a full week of effort to see if I can crack this nut- but any suggestions from the board would be helpful. I will say there are many many ladies, many of them young and quite attractive, and very few punters around. Which, again, is deceptive because really only a fraction of these girls are for the taking.

Thanks in advance for any suggestions.

RS.

[QUOTE=RakSopheni;2707775]I
I'm trying to develop a strategy for dealing with [B] Phnom Penh Hostess Bars[/B] which are unique from Pattaya generally in that there is no obligation for the girl to go with you for short time. In fact many of these girls have never been with a man and essentially act as eye candy to draw in pikers. This presents a problem because you usually need to buy them a drink to discover this information, and this can drain time and money. Not only that I'm getting the suspicion that in this environment where many of the girls are inexperienced, any sex that you do manage to have will be something of a learning experience for the lady- which for me is not terribly satisfying. I'm going to give it a full week of effort to see if I can crack this nut- but any suggestions from the board would be helpful. I will say there are many many ladies, many of them young and quite attractive, and very few punters around. Which, again, is deceptive because really only a fraction of these girls are for the taking.

Thanks in advance for any suggestions.

RS.[/QUOTE]Like the go-go and freelance bars in Thailand, none of the damsels are required to go with a specific customer. Just as the customer is not obligated to buy a drink for a dancer / hostess. My experiences in Phnom Penh hostess bars has be from barely acceptable to fantastic.

Strategy # !: Let the girl choose you. Let her know through looking at her or communicating through another person that you might be interested in her. If she comes over, try to engage in conversation. (can be challenging).

Strategy # 2: Read her body language! Is she nervous? Distant? Does she flinch or pull away if you rub her thigh or put your arm around her?

Strategy #3: Before buying a lady drink, ask her directly if she goes with customers. Or ask one of the other hostesses if you target goes with customers. Of course, that doesn't mean she will go with YOU. She might be very selective.

After 1 drink for her, you should be able to get a good idea if compatibility is likely, though not guaranteed.

Good luck.

Sam.

[QUOTE=SamSanuk;2708260]Like the go-go and freelance bars in Thailand, none of the damsels are required to go with a specific customer. Just as the customer is not obligated to buy a drink for a dancer / hostess. My experiences in Phnom Penh hostess bars has be from barely acceptable to fantastic.

Strategy # !: Let the girl choose you. Let her know through looking at her or communicating through another person that you might be interested in her. If she comes over, try to engage in conversation. (can be challenging).

Strategy # 2: Read her body language! Is she nervous? Distant? Does she flinch or pull away if you rub her thigh or put your arm around her?

Strategy #3: Before buying a lady drink, ask her directly if she goes with customers. Or ask one of the other hostesses if you target goes with customers. Of course, that doesn't mean she will go with YOU. She might be very selective.

After 1 drink for her, you should be able to get a good idea if compatibility is likely, though not guaranteed.

Good luck.

Sam.[/QUOTE]I am an older guy and greatly prefer the KTV type experience where you can really get to have some fun, and have rarely been disappointed. The massage HJ is, for me, a real waist of time unless a good veggie message is what I want. My only 2 KTV visits in PP were great where the girls did not wear panties and little was off the menu. BBFS was no problem as was BJCIM. Never tried the bar street except to get something to eat. Stayed at NAGA World.

If I hadn't already pre-paid my hotel in cash I think I probably would be booking a flight to the Philippines right now. Two more bad days has me realizing that coming from 3 weeks in Pattaya my expectations need to be tempered big time. This is not a point and shoot location, although what is perplexing me is just how easy and amazing it was 3 years ago. It's almost like a different city. Maybe its me who has changed.

I've been hanging out with my provider form 3 years ago who I no longer find sexually attractive- called her over for a BJ one rainy Sunday night and ended up just talking- which was nice, and then hung out and drank with her again last night at her friends / families restaurant / shop. She's more like a romantic friend- I kiss her and hold her, tell her my troubles with the scene here, but am not interested in sex with her.

The other development was a terrible trip to Cyrcee Secret Bar- a closed door bar up 130 past Norodom, and the only bar in Phnom Penh that I'm aware of where all the girls are a sure thing (I don't do soapies, messages etc so am not counting those). I pulled a great girl from there 3 years ago and had a good memory of the place. Part of the problem is that I'm going out with the expectation that I need to and will shoot my shot, and this forces some bad decisions. For example, I walk in and a couple of girls are on me instantly, I scan the room, the only really ok girl is staring at her phone and has no interest in me, so I consider one of the girls on my arm. I try to think in my mind if I can get it off with her and imagine positive things about her body under that strangely revealing dress. Her face is not so bad. In hindsight this is all wishful thinking. After I pay the bar $20 for drinks plus bar fine, $10 for the short time hotel, and commit $40 to her, and we are up in a small room and her clothes come off as I sit on a chair trying to get it up. Her body was just awful and my heart sinks one more time as she starts to suck my dick and I realize it's just not going to happen and I just smoked $70. After a few minutes I call it, throw her the cash, put my clothes on and am out the door, leaving her feeling rejected and ugly I'm sure. Total waste.

Lest anyone reading this think that the problem is some whiny dude with chronic ED, please go back and read my Pattaya reports from the previous 3 weeks in which I am having sex multiple times a day with 2, sometimes 3 girls in one day. Perhaps the obvious problem is that I am treating Phnom Penh as Pattaya and my expectations are severely miscalibrated. Hopefully some honesty is helpful as well- all too often the forum becomes some sort of unrealistic fantasy-scape in which every poster has TT Boy stamina and Peter North cumshots and it becomes a bit much. I might be guilty of this at times. Negative reports are just as useful as positive.

Moving forward I am shifting my strategy- I am no longer going to be going out with the expectation of sex, but with the intent really just to meet potential girls that might satisfy my specifications and might be available at some point for a session- rather than looking to shoot my shot right that night. It's going to be a lot of work making my way through what seems like hundreds of Hostess Bars on 136,130 and 118 drink by drink- but I think that's the only way. More often than not it seems that the girls are just there for the drink money and aren't really providers.

Once again, any board members that can help me hack this scene, and advice is appreciated. I'm only here for a week or so but I don't want it to be a total loss.

In case it's not already clear, Phnom Penh is not Pattaya.

RS.

[QUOTE=SamSanuk;2708260]Strategy # !: Let the girl choose you. Let her know through looking at her or communicating through another person that you might be interested in her. If she comes over, try to engage in conversation. (can be challenging).

Strategy # 2: Read her body language! Is she nervous? Distant? Does she flinch or pull away if you rub her thigh or put your arm around her?

Strategy #3: Before buying a lady drink, ask her directly if she goes with customers. Or ask one of the other hostesses if you target goes with customers. Of course, that doesn't mean she will go with YOU. She might be very selective.

After 1 drink for her, you should be able to get a good idea if compatibility is likely, though not guaranteed.
[/QUOTE]These are all solid suggestions thanks Sam. I think that there's just no way around the work that the whole process requires and that's really what I'm having a problem with. So many hot girls walking around here- but only a fraction of them are really available for you and its a time and money intense process trying to determine who is who.

RS.

OK, I'll bite. What the fuck is a veggie massage?

[QUOTE=RakSopheni;2708597]If I hadn't already pre-paid my hotel in cash I think I probably would be booking a flight to the Philippines right now. Two more bad days has me realizing that coming from 3 weeks in Pattaya my expectations need to be tempered big time. This is not a point and shoot location, although what is perplexing me is just how easy and amazing it was 3 years ago. It's almost like a different city. Maybe its me who has changed.

The other development was a terrible trip to Cyrcee Secret Bar- a closed door bar up 130 past Norodom, and the only bar in Phnom Penh that I'm aware of where all the girls are a sure thing (I don't do soapies, messages etc so am not counting those). I pulled a great girl from there 3 years ago and had a good memory of the place. Part of the problem is that I'm going out with the expectation that I need to and will shoot my shot, and this forces some bad decisions. For example, I walk in and a couple of girls are on me instantly, I scan the room, the only really ok girl is staring at her phone and has no interest in me, so I consider one of the girls on my arm. I try to think in my mind if I can get it off with her and imagine positive things about her body under that strangely revealing dress. Her face is not so bad. In hindsight this is all wishful thinking. After I pay the bar $20 for drinks plus bar fine, $10 for the short time hotel, and commit $40 to her, and we are up in a small room and her clothes come off as I sit on a chair trying to get it up. Her body was just awful and my heart sinks one more time as she starts to suck my dick and I realize it's just not going to happen and I just smoked $70. After a few minutes I call it, throw her the cash, put my clothes on and am out the door, leaving her feeling rejected and ugly I'm sure. Total waste..[/QUOTE]Lets face it PP as a mongering destination is dead. Everybody says it. Cyrcee used to be a sure thing. Well 70 $ to find out the girl s body is awful this would never happen before. Anyway I would tell the manager to send another girl instead. That shouldn't be a problem if it s still the French guy.

As for the ripoff hostess bars I don't spend time or money to listen to these girls BS. I m the customer I m here to get laid period. All the rest is useless. If I want a GF I go to temple not to hostess bar.

[QUOTE=SouthEaster;2708628]OK, I'll bite. What the fuck is a veggie massage?[/QUOTE]Is there a fruit version where they use durian spikes like acupuncture? Just don't use to much pressure because if it breaks open the smell will drive everyone out of the building LOL.

I rebooked my flight to the Philippines and am leaving here 4 days earlier than planned. I will take a small loss on the hotel, but so be it- there is no point in staying here. If you are a monger who likes sex, you should not come.

Last night after several nights of poor experiences I decided to go out not with the intention of trying to shoot my shot, but just to gather observations and experience the scene from a perspective without the urgency of trying to cum. I canvassed 118,130 and 136 street in totality, stopping at every bar and chatting and observing the ladies in the front for at least a few minutes, or going inside for a drink either by myself or with a lady of my choosing. The results of this were not good.

What I discovered is that Phnom Penh is not a mongering destination, but more a destination for people who like to buy drinks for destitute Cambodian girls and have awkward conversations in google translate that are difficult at best and boring and pointless at worst. I don't fault these girls for trying to make a living and doing what they can do to make a few bucks, but please lets not call them sex workers. And here several Board Members will protest- but RS I've been laid many times in PP. Yes, and the last time I was here 3 years ago I got laid as well- many times and it was great.

But, please let me continue. First of all, the quality of looks in all these girls is poor across the board- my slow and careful inspection last night revealed very few viable options. The girls that do look good will be very very young which presents two problems- firstly they will almost surely not go with you for Boom Boom, second- if they do they will perform poorly due to inexperience and shyness. Let me quickly add that I am not a bad looking dude- I'm fit and decent looking and dress well. The issue is not that I am an unfuckable monster. Furthermore, I like deepthroat, CIM, and other kinky things that these girls haven't the first clue about. When I relate these concerns to the mamasans, they will say of course they have plenty of open minded, experienced girls that will go with you for boom boom, and then proceed to usher over an old frumpy looking girl or two who surely have experience but would not be anything I would want to pay money for. Simply put, the depth of the talent pool is just not there, and the discovery interface is inefficient and unpleasant. It's a real boner killer walking into these places being swarmed by literally 12 not attractive girls, finally choosing the least unattractive one just to make the rest go away, and then gulping down a beer as quickly as possible to get the hell out of there. I did spot a lady or two at a high end bar half-way up 136, but I'm so disgusted with this scene and with expectations of difficulties it doesn't even seem worth it. I am hanging up the hat.

I never hit 104 street and although it's probably slightly better I would expect largely the same. And yes, I know there are freelancers that are a sure thing at Pontoon nightclub but I'm a middle-aged man- I hate nightclubs and staying up until 3 am just to get some poon. The other thing here is the cost- $40-60 for short time, plus a minimum $25 drinks plus barfine gets you to about $80. In Pattaya I was banging hot, experienced spinners BBFSCIP for 1000-1500 baht ST ($28-$42). So why would I pay a $50 premium for a scene that is more difficult and inefficient, for ladies who are not as good looking, and for girls who don't have a clue how to please me in bed? Why would anyone? Did I mention it's hot as hell here- probably a few degrees F above Pattaya.

Once again- I beseech the board- if there is something I'm missing please let me know. Short of a miracle I'm just going to be relaxing away from the bars the next couple days, detoxing from sildenafil, and getting ready for the Philippines.

Nothing ventured, nothing gained but I will not be returning to Phnom Penh willingly. If you like sex, you should also stay way.

RS.

[QUOTE=Muzungufotsy;2708711]Lets face it PP as a mongering destination is dead. Everybody says it. [/QUOTE]100% agree.

So I'm sitting in Ostro on 136 street having probably way too many $. 75 draft Angkors and some food and I notice all the sudden a group of legitimately hot girls cross the street in a flock and filter into a bar I haven't been into or seen anyone outside of- [B] TOP 136[/B] Night Life Lounge. (picture attached). Hmm, this is interesting- I know I have sworn off the nightlife here and am just passing through but my curiosity is piqued.

I finish my beers and spring rolls and saunter over to the brightly lit facade with a bit of a buzz on- the interior is beautiful, someone spent some real money-opulent couches and decor. All the girls are crouched at a table / booth / sofa thing immersed in their phones and don't even look up as I come in. Hmmm, different. This waiter fellow tries to shuffle me as usual to a booth / couch but I brush him off and head towards the bar where I order a.$5 beer. In Cambodia beers are like $1. 50. This is quite a premium and I mention that to the clearly gay with bleached hair waiter guy who seems flummoxed by my presence and I get the feeling he wants me to leave but just can't come out and say it, I also notice the menu is mostly in Chinese with small English subtitles.

Keep in mind I am the only customer in the bar and it is around 23:30. You could say business is not great. I walk over to the group of girls and just sort of stand their stupidly for a good 3 minutes looking at them. None of them even look up. Hmmm, ok. I guess maybe I'm in the wrong category of customer. I take my $5 beer and walk outside to another group of girls- mind you these are the hottest girls I've seen all week, and the exact same thing. Not one girl even looks up from her phone- which would be fine and everything if this were the real world- but I thought this was a hooker bar in a desperately poor country and again- did I mention I'm the only customer in the place that is probably thousands in debt a depressed post-pandemic economy.

Another waitress comes up to talk to me and I try to get the story. Why are these girls ignoring me? Is this a Chinese bar for Chinese men? It's ok, you can tell me and if that's the case I will just leave. Not a problem. She tries to say, no all people welcome here. I cut her off and say, you know what, forget it, I don't even want this beer. I put the untouched $5 beer down on a table and begin to walk off. "Thank you, come again-" No. I cut her off. I will not be coming again.

One more reason to stay the fuck out of Phnom Penh.

RS.

[QUOTE=SouthEaster;2708628]OK, I'll bite. What the fuck is a veggie massage?[/QUOTE]A veggie massage is a good massage by someone who know's what they are doing! No Sex, no HJ, No BJ. Just a good real massage. If anyone here is familiar with China and the good old days of Chang Ping and Chang an. Anything goes KTV's with hundreds of beautiful girls to chose from, but also a great massage shop where a good veggie massage was a great way to spend an afternoon.

[QUOTE=RakSopheni;2708922]I rebooked my flight to the Philippines and am leaving here 4 days earlier than planned. I will take a small loss on the hotel, but so be it- there is no point in staying here. If you are a monger who likes sex, you should not come.

What I discovered is that Phnom Penh is not a mongering destination, but more a destination for people who like to buy drinks for destitute Cambodian girls and have awkward conversations in google translate that are difficult at best and boring and pointless at worst. I don't fault these girls for trying to make a living and doing what they can do to make a few bucks, but please lets not call them sex workers.

I never hit 104 street and although it's probably slightly better I would expect largely the same. And yes, I know there are freelancers that are a sure thing at Pontoon nightclub but I'm a middle-aged man- I hate nightclubs and staying up until 3 am just to get some poon. The other thing here is the cost- $40-60 for short time, plus a minimum $25 drinks plus barfine gets you to about $80. In Pattaya I was banging hot, experienced spinners BBFSCIP for 1000-1500 baht ST ($28-$42). So why would I pay a $50 premium for a scene that is more difficult and inefficient, for ladies who are not as good looking, and for girls who don't have a clue how to please me in bed? Why would anyone? Did I mention it's hot as hell here- probably a few degrees F above Pattaya.


Nothing ventured, nothing gained but I will not be returning to Phnom Penh willingly. If you like sex, you should also stay way.

RS.[/QUOTE]My first time going to Cambodia was with my young, very pretty Thai girl working in a bank who I was with few years till it got sticky.

Anyway we went all over including sihanoukville, Angkor what etc. We had a great time. Did go to some dancing places in Phnom Penh and saw lots of freelancers. So after that I went alone at least 5 times. Most of the time I hooked up with freelancers and some stayed with me couple of days of great fun with no condom. One even would cook food and bring it over because she knows I like clams. Did go to some hostess bars and it was a hit and miss to get GFE. This was few years ago and maybe things have changed. I have also stayed at Naga and picked up quite pretty girls. Yes, the cost is higher. But get nice free buffet dinner on casino floor restaurant. Good food, even took some girls there.

It is true unlike Thai bargirls anything goes Cambodia girls are more reserved and will not like kinky things including anal. But plenty of girls were available for fun. Yes, it is true clubs get going after 11 pm and gets jam packed by midnight. Easy to score. Will get GFE.

Planning to go November and see how things are.

[QUOTE=Sammon;2709220]My first time going to Cambodia was with my young, very pretty Thai girl working in a bank who I was with few years till it got sticky.

Anyway we went all over including sihanoukville, Angkor what etc. We had a great time.

Did go to some hostess bars and it was a hit and miss to get GFE. This was few years ago and maybe things have changed. I have also stayed at Naga and picked up quite pretty girls. Yes, the cost is higher.

It is true unlike Thai bargirls anything goes Cambodia girls are more reserved and will not like kinky things including anal. But plenty of girls were available for fun. Yes, it is true clubs get going after 11 pm and gets jam packed by midnight. Easy to score. Will get GFE.

Planning to go November and see how things are.[/QUOTE]Bingo! I have always liked Cambodia and Khmer girls. The first time I went to Cambodia back in 2002. I went solo and I had a great time. The Angkor complex was amazing and at night there was this great combination massage parlor / nightclub in town with lots of pretty girls. The price back then was an astronomical $50 per session for a club girl and I took heat from certain quarters for going along with the pricing and posting about it, but fuck it, I had a great time.

The Phnom Penh hostess bars and hostess girls were a super lot of fun back then in 2002 too. In fact, at the time I kind of preferred Phnom Penh over BKK or Pattaya even though it was never point and shoot place like Thailand. But I really liked Khmer girls thanks to their offbeat, funky, and very demure personalities. I just loved them! And up to 2009 the price for a hostess girl, any hostess girl, was "up to you" which usually meant $15 to $20 per session at the "expensive" hostess bars which included as many shots as I liked per session. It was a memorable time!

Then things changed after the 2009 bar crackdown. Prices started going up and in 2011 I encountered my 1st buy me drink only hostess bar girl. But I still liked the place despite all that because Khmer girls are very very sweet, ect, and I soon learned how to identify the buy me drink only girls and cut short the interview when I was with one. But I admit that after the bar crackdown things were never quite the same and the situation was no longer amazing because under the new way of doing things, many times the prettiest, most desirable girl in the hostess bar was, you guessed it, a buy me drink girl and I hated that.

But then I discovered Darling Darling at Naga World. Darling Darling FL's were among the prettiest hookers in Phnom and there was no drink BS. These girls were all there at the bar for one reason only; to get picked up. So, my PP strategy evolved. I would give the hostess girls first crack to have me in the early part of the evening, but if I had not found a hostess girl to my liking by 11 pm, I would just headed over to Darling Darling where I always found very attractive and very willing girls to take back to my hotel. This was around 2016-2017. Again, I took a lot of criticism from certain punters for posting about picking up $100 Darling Darling FL's, but fuck that. I will never shag a girl I find unattractive merely because she is inexpensive ($30-$40). Anyway, the Darling Darling girls from 2016 and onwards always seemed worth it to me because the girls were very attractive, the sex was great, and the sessions lasted as long as I liked, plus there was never any drinky drinky BS.

I am sure that is why my pal, BananaBoi, asked this question a few days ago:

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2707328]Is Darling Darling still open? What about the massage places above the casino? What are their current prices of both?[/QUOTE]It is too bad no one in Phnom Penh answered his question.

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[QUOTE=RakSopheni;2708922]I rebooked my flight to the Philippines and am leaving here 4 days earlier than planned. I will take a small loss on the hotel, but so be it- there is no point in staying here. If you are a monger who likes sex, you should not come.
Once again- I beseech the board- if there is something I'm missing please let me know. Short of a miracle I'm just going to be relaxing away from the bars the next couple days, detoxing from sildenafil, and getting ready for the Philippines..[/QUOTE]I grieve for you experiencing such a viewpoint as you expressed. However, urging people who like sex to stay away is a disservice to other members of the board. I say that as one who has been enjoying same in Thailand since 1970 and Cambodia since 2000. The club scene has never really been a must for me also. But the hostess bars in PP on any given afternoon or evening can provide a wide variety of options at prices well below BKK prices. Start with beers: try getting a beer in a beer bar in BKK for $1-$1. 50. Try getting a barfine on Cowboy or Nana for $10; try getting a short time for $20-$30 in one of those Cowboy or Nana bars. Or bars on Soi 4 in BKK. I've never paid over $30 for a ST in PP or over $70 for LT. And I'm not a bottom feeder. I haven't been to Asia since it closed down and has (mostly) reopened post covid. So, if you have just recently visited, the thing you might be missing is the fact that a lot of service providers still have not returned to the bars (same as in Thailand). Until more customers are arriving in both places, the numbers of ladies and corresponding acceptable offerings will stay low. Another thing you might be missing: how you present yourself and what you might be doing or not doing that has made you unsuccessful in your pursuits.

There is a Facebook group named "Phnom Penh Hostess Bars--Girly Bars" that I would urge ISG readers to visit if they have questions or comments on their experiences. It can be a rough group sometimes LOL But worth a look and I think a perspective different from yours will be presented.

Sam.

[QUOTE=RakSopheni;2708922]I rebooked my flight to the Philippines and am leaving here 4 days earlier than planned. I will take a small loss on the hotel, but so be it- there is no point in staying here. If you are a monger who likes sex, you should not come.
Once again- I beseech the board- if there is something I'm missing please let me know. Short of a miracle I'm just going to be relaxing away from the bars the next couple days, detoxing from sildenafil, and getting ready for the Philippines.

Nothing ventured, nothing gained but I will not be returning to Phnom Penh willingly. If you like sex, you should also stay way.

RS.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=RakSopheni;2708922]I rebooked my flight to the Philippines and am leaving here 4 days earlier than planned. I will take a small loss on the hotel, but so be it- there is no point in staying here. If you are a monger who likes sex, you should not come.
Once again- I beseech the board- if there is something I'm missing please let me know. Short of a miracle I'm just going to be relaxing away from the bars the next couple days, detoxing from sildenafil, and getting ready for the Philippines.

Nothing ventured, nothing gained but I will not be returning to Phnom Penh willingly. If you like sex, you should also stay way..[/QUOTE]I grieve for you experiencing such a viewpoint as you expressed. However, urging people who like sex to stay away is a disservice to other members of the board. I say that as one who has been enjoying same in Thailand since 1970 and Cambodia since 2000. The club scene has never really been a must for me also. But the hostess bars in PP on any given afternoon or evening can provide a wide variety of options at prices well below BKK prices. Start with beers: try getting a beer in a beer bar in BKK for $1-$1.50. Try getting a barfine on Cowboy or Nana for $10; try getting a short time for $20-$30 in one of those Cowboy or Nana bars. Or bars on Soi 4 in BKK. I've never paid over $30 for a ST in PP or over $70 for LT. And I'm not a bottom feeder. I haven't been to Asia since it closed down and has (mostly) reopened post covid. So, if you have just recently visited, the thing you might be missing is the fact that a lot of service providers still have not returned to the bars (same as in Thailand). Until more customers are arriving in both places, the numbers of ladies and corresponding acceptable offerings will stay low. Another thing you might be missing: how you present yourself and what you might be doing or not doing that has made you unsuccessful in your pursuits.

I'm thinking a bit more research on your part might make your next visit, if any, more pleasurable.

Sam.

I'm really sorry to hear so many of you guys had a bad time in PP. I had a great time. I find the Khmer girls sweeter and better looking than the Thais. (I live in Thailand.) You don't get catered to sex tourist style like in Thailand. It takes a little more work up front getting to know the locals, but there's plenty of hot slippery pussy to be had in PP. You just have to go out with an open mind and see what the night brings. Oh and here's a pro tip: a long afternoon of day drinking isn't a good way to warm up for a hot night of pussy hunting. You guys know who I'm talking about. I see you all over town, and so do the ladies. It's not a good look.

By the time I left PP for a week in Siem Reap I had four ladies begging to go with me. Only one of them was a pro. Bus ticket, hotel, restaurant only. I take care you good every night! In hindsight I should have taken one, as SR in its current state is a total tourist trap / clip joint. Would not recommend. But PP is tons of fun. You just can't expect it to be like Pattaya where you can careen around shit faced, throw money in the air and still score.

[QUOTE=SamSanuk;2709350]I grieve for you experiencing such a viewpoint as you expressed. However, urging people who like sex to stay away is a disservice to other members of the board. I say that as one who has been enjoying same in Thailand since 1970 and Cambodia since 2000. The club scene has never really been a must for me also. But the hostess bars in PP on any given afternoon or evening can provide a wide variety of options at prices well below BKK prices. Start with beers: try getting a beer in a beer bar in BKK for $1-$1. 50. Try getting a barfine on Cowboy or Nana for $10; try getting a short time for $20-$30 in one of those Cowboy or Nana bars. Or bars on Soi 4 in BKK. I've never paid over $30 for a ST in PP or over $70 for LT. And I'm not a bottom feeder. I haven't been to Asia since it closed down and has (mostly) reopened post covid. So, if you have just recently visited, the thing you might be missing is the fact that a lot of service providers still have not returned to the bars (same as in Thailand). Until more customers are arriving in both places, the numbers of ladies and corresponding acceptable offerings will stay low. .[/QUOTE]Hi Sam, I really appreciate your thoughtful, supportive and polite manner despite our obvious disagreement on the subject. Many people would've lashed out with ad hominems and I will be the first to admit that my writing on this subject has been suffused with more than a little bit of blubbering self-pity and hyperbole. You make some excellent points and I'm sure many people have had and will have a great time in the scene here. I myself did 3 years ago but in hindsight I think I just got really lucky. On any given night, there does indeed exist the possibility, if not probability to score.

[QUOTE=SamSanuk;2709350]Another thing you might be missing: how you present yourself and what you might be doing or not doing that has made you unsuccessful in your pursuits.

There is a Facebook group named "Phnom Penh Hostess Bars--Girly Bars" that I would urge ISG readers to visit if they have questions or comments on their experiences. It can be a rough group sometimes LOL But worth a look and I think a perspective different from yours will be presented.
[/QUOTE]Funnily enough I recently had a conversation with the admin of one of these groups if not this very one on FB messenger and he said something that resonated with me- that at any given bar there are only 1-2 girls available for "take-away". This is the crucial point here and maybe not as you suggest something amiss with my presentation which I'm sure is acceptable.

I think there is a taxonomic difference between [B]Hostess Bars[/B] and [B]H**ker Bars[/B] that should be articulated and is the crux of the matter. In a [B]Hostess Bar[/B], as you will find in Phnom Penh, the emphasis is on companionship and entertaining the men, not on creating a brothel / bordello vibe where the girls are de facto available for sex. Yes, some of them are, and the possibility does exist, but the main purpose seems to be something else entirely. This is purely speculative, but I feel like it relates to the Asian practice more broadly of creating after work or vacation environments for business men to relax and socialize in the company of women. As such it is a social, group activity and not a lone pursuit of sexual gratification. This seems to be the case in Phnom Penh.

A [B]H**ker Bar[/B] or [B]Girly Bar[/B] as they are called in Thailand and Philippines is entirely different. Sure, some of the girls are not available for "take away" and they always have the right of refusal, but generally rather than refusing out right they will give you a very high price or otherwise look unenthusiastic and pined about it. They know that the expectation is there for them to go with men-it is the rule rather than the exception. Sure many men in Thailand will enjoy the company of women in a slow, non sexual manner similar to the Hostess Bar of Phnom Penh, but in places like Soi 6, and Soi Pothole, the overwhelming emphasis is on taking girls for sex. These places would go out of business immediately if only 1-2 of the 10 or so girls were available for you to enjoy carnally. A full 75% of Thailand red-light district business would vanish if this were the case.

I would speculate that attitude difference comes in part from the fact that Thai culture, Isaan specifically, is Matrilineal or Matriarchal and there is an enormous expectation on these ladies to provide for their families and send money back to their mothers, who encourage them to go into the business and probably were once part of it. Every single Thai working girl I have known exists in such a dynamic, where she sends money to her mother who is taking care of her child and as such they can't always afford just to sip drinks and laugh at farang jokes as they get groped. I doubt the Khmer dynamic is significantly divergent, but there seems to be a cultural difference here with more of a Patriarchal dynamic and more socially conservative attitudes. A girl working at a Hostess Bar can claim truthfully to a potential suitor that she is still a Virgin- as many of them are.

I would recommend Phnom Penh for a more sensitive and less sex crazed monger perhaps in the 55-65 age range. The slow approach and less emphasis on a fast track to boom boom will probably be more enjoyable for this type of guy, and as you say Sam, the prices for this type of past-time here are not bad at all. However, looking at Numbeo a comparison of Pattaya and Phnom Penh does reveal a significant (25-45%) savings in cost of living in Pattaya.

[URL]https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/compare_cities.jsp?country1=Thailand&city1=Pattaya&country2=Cambodia&city2=Phnom[/URL]+Penh.

Thanks for this board for reading my reportage, which in the cold light of day sometimes veers into self-pitying blather. I hope it has been useful for someone. I wish I had known before what I know now. I had an amazing experience here 3 years ago but am now thinking it was a lucky convergence more than anything. I doubt I will return to Phnom Penh, but for many people this is the ideal location and for those that enjoy it, I will not besmirch you your pleasures.

RS.

[QUOTE=Chop;2709557]I'm really sorry to hear so many of you guys had a bad time in PP. I had a great time. I find the Khmer girls sweeter and better looking than the Thais. (I live in Thailand.) You don't get catered to sex tourist style like in Thailand. It takes a little more work up front getting to know the locals, but there's plenty of hot slippery pussy to be had in PP. You just have to go out with an open mind and see what the night brings. Oh and here's a pro tip: a long afternoon of day drinking isn't a good way to warm up for a hot night of pussy hunting. You guys know who I'm talking about. I see you all over town, and so do the ladies. It's not a good look.

By the time I left PP for a week in Siem Reap I had four ladies begging to go with me. Only one of them was a pro. Bus ticket, hotel, restaurant only. I take care you good every night! In hindsight I should have taken one, as SR in its current state is a total tourist trap / clip joint. Would not recommend. But PP is tons of fun. You just can't expect it to be like Pattaya where you can careen around shit faced, throw money in the air and still score.[/QUOTE]So SR is crap SHV is crap but you want us to believe PP is great?' yeah sure. Like mentioned before Cambodia was great 15/20 years ago. When there were still hot VN girls around and they were providing good service. I don't think Khmer girls can give a decent BJ even now.

Because Thailand is shit these days and Cambodia sounds less shit it doesn't mean Cambodia is actually good. Anyway I wonder why you stay in Thailand if you prefer Khmer girls.

[QUOTE=Muzungufotsy;2709786]So SR is crap SHV is crap but you want us to believe PP is great?' yeah sure. Like mentioned before Cambodia was great 15/20 years ago. When there were still hot VN girls around and they were providing good service. I don't think Khmer girls can give a decent BJ even now.

Because Thailand is shit these days and Cambodia sounds less shit it doesn't mean Cambodia is actually good. Anyway I wonder why you stay in Thailand if you prefer Khmer girls.[/QUOTE]The only reason I'm down on SR at the moment is because it's so heavily tourist dependent, and the recent re-opening hasn't brought back the tourists yet. There's 20 touts waiting to pounce on every tourist and it's extremely annoying. I'm sure in another six months (or whatever post-covid recovery actually takes) it'll be back to good times.

As to the 15/20 years ago thing: I take all that with a huge grain of salt. If I've learned anything about my fellow expats it's that anyone that's been here a week longer than you will regale you endlessly about how great it was back in the good old days. I only care about right now, and right now both Thailand and Cambodia are pretty damned good.

[QUOTE=Muzungufotsy;2709786]
Because Thailand is shit these days and Cambodia sounds less shit it doesn't mean Cambodia is actually good. [/QUOTE]I just spent a week in Cambodia after a month in Thailand and came to the opposite conclusion. What do people say is better about Cambodia, I just can't see it no matter how hard I look and ask? Conversely I had a great time in Thailand and am having a great time on Philippines, getting more sex in 24 hours here in Angeles than 1 week in PP.

RS.

[QUOTE=AxelHeyst;2709266]

The Phnom Penh hostess bars and hostess girls were a super lot of fun back then in 2002 too. In fact, at the time I kind of preferred Phnom Penh over BKK or Pattaya even though it was never point and shoot place like Thailand. [/QUOTE]The hostess bars in 2002 ?

I'm intrigued as to what you mean by that. Where were the hostess bars, what were they called?

[QUOTE=RakSopheni;2708922]I rebooked my flight to the Philippines and am leaving here 4 days earlier than planned. I will take a small loss on the hotel, but so be it- there is no point in staying here. If you are a monger who likes sex, you should not come.

Last night after several nights of poor experiences I decided to go out not with the intention of trying to shoot my shot, but just to gather observations and experience the scene from a perspective without the urgency of trying to cum. I canvassed 118,130 and 136 street in totality, stopping at every bar and chatting and observing the ladies in the front for at least a few minutes, or going inside for a drink either by myself or with a lady of my choosing. The results of this were not good.

What I discovered is that Phnom Penh is not a mongering destination, but more a destination for people who like to buy drinks for destitute Cambodian girls and have awkward conversations in google translate that are difficult at best and boring and pointless at worst. I don't fault these girls for trying to make a living and doing what they can do to make a few bucks, but please lets not call them sex workers. And here several Board Members will protest- but RS I've been laid many times in PP. Yes, and the last time I was here 3 years ago I got laid as well- many times and it was great.

But, please let me continue. First of all, the quality of looks in all these girls is poor across the board- my slow and careful inspection last night revealed very few viable options. The girls that do look good will be very very young which presents two problems- firstly they will almost surely not go with you for Boom Boom, second- if they do they will perform poorly due to inexperience and shyness. Let me quickly add that I am not a bad looking dude- I'm fit and decent looking and dress well. The issue is not that I am an unfuckable monster. Furthermore, I like deepthroat, CIM, and other kinky things that these girls haven't the first clue about. When I relate these concerns to the mamasans, they will say of course they have plenty of open minded, experienced girls that will go with you for boom boom, and then proceed to usher over an old frumpy looking girl or two who surely have experience but would not be anything I would want to pay money for...[/QUOTE]Sad to hear that you had such a bad experience. I do understand your troubles though, it is very annoying when the girl suddenly is starting to act up when you're trying to take her out of the bar. That has still only happened 4-5 times to me which might be 25% of the times I've tried to take a girl out of the bar.

So while it can be very tricky at times, I don't think telling people to stay away from Phnom Penh is fair. There is plenty of sex to be had but it's just a bit different than Thailand and The Philippines. You can always ask the other staff in the bar as well which of the girls would like to go. They're not shy to help a friend out. VIP rooms can be a lot of fun as well if you have some cash to splurge. That does require some connections though which is not easy to find.

What I do nowadays is go to massage parlors. These big giant places with affordable massages. Some of them are hit-an-miss, others are straight up brothels. It takes a while to figure out what is what. Prices are also all over the place when you're a foreigner. But I try not to exceed the fees I would pay in Thailand for similar services.

[QUOTE=JimboCojones;2710505]What I do nowadays is go to massage parlors. These big giant places with affordable massages. Some of them are hit-an-miss, others are straight up brothels[/QUOTE]I'm interested in hearing more about these giant places with affordable massages, specifically the ones that are brothels.

Which ones do you recommend, names and locations?

If you can give me some leads I can post links to a few I've found online.

[QUOTE=MeoDen;2710757]I'm interested in hearing more about these giant places with affordable massages, specifically the ones that are brothels.

Which ones do you recommend, names and locations?

If you can give me some leads I can post links to a few I've found online.[/QUOTE]Sure we can exchange some information.

Another thing I forgot to say is that I went to one of the "massage" places advertised on FB as well.

They're a bit on the pricier side but I found one package that I felt was reasonable that set me back $125.

They send a few girls into the room and you can choose from them. Like the soapys in Bangkok they have bath tubs so the girl will wash you first. I know of 2 of these places but I'm sure there are more. The girls are from VN and seem to be in their early 20's. Fun experience but with my budget it's nothing I can do too often. I used to go to Massa quite often where I paid $10 for the massage and usually 30-40 bucks to the girl. Unfortunately they closed that place during the pandemic. There were also a few similar places in hotels, found the addresses online, but these didn't seem to survive COVID either. Cyrcee is usually fun but last time I went in the talent was not there. I'the like to support the guy though, as I like his business model.

[QUOTE=MeoDen;2710293]The hostess bars in 2002 ?

I'm intrigued as to what you mean by that. Where were the hostess bars, what were they called?[/QUOTE]The term "Hostess Bars" merely refers to the girly bars you will find on several side streets off the riverside (Preah Sisowath Quay) like 104st, 130st, and 136st. They are small bars usually with 5 to 25 girls. Just walk down these side streets after 8:30 pm and you will find lots of friendly faces. It is entertaining.

Back in 2002 my favorite Hostess Bar was Rose Bar on 104st. I had many good times in there. I think Rose Bar is still open. Check it out as well as the other bars on the above mentioned side streets. Lineups change week to week, month to month, so I have no idea which bars have the prettiest girls right now. You just have to go there and find out. The set up is a little like Soi 6 in Pattaya only Phnom Penh hostess bar girls are for take out except the buy me drink only hostess girls which we have been talking about recently and are generally a waste of time and money.

I remember back in 2015 I met this very sexy girl in Oasis Bar on 136st. I spent a lot of time with her and tried every thing I knew, applied all my charm and game, to get her to go to my hotel with me on several nights and all I got from her was a lot of in bar DFK, dirty dancing, tittie palming, under the table mutual groping & dick massages, and a large bar tab, 555, but she never let me shag her. But I still love her. Ha Ha Ha. The lesson I learned: don't waste a lot of time or money on buy me drink only hostess girls no matter how sexy cute they are.

[QUOTE=JimboCojones;2710811]Sure we can exchange some information.

Another thing I forgot to say is that I went to one of the "massage" places advertised on FB as well.

They're a bit on the pricier side but I found one package that I felt was reasonable that set me back $125.

[/QUOTE]I wouldn't class massages at those places as 'affordable'.

They are all over town. Find them on google maps.

I can't post the Chinese characters here or the google link as the forum can't handle them.

Attached pic of characters for Chinese readers.

The massage place on 252 has sort of reopened, downstairs. The room fee was $7 up until it closed, but given that many punters were happy to pay $15 that will have changed.

Paging RakSopheni. I just heard that Billionaire Bar is now charging a $30 'sit down' fee if a customer wants to talk to a hostess. This of course is the natural progression from punters buying ladydrinks. Next it will be just send the money. We don't even want to have to look at you (woops, sponsors already do that).

Where is the ghost of Noktang?

I'll pay for a haircut, but I won't pay to talk to a hairdresser.

Financial domination is a real thing and some men are clearly into it.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=daTaCfx_E2w[/URL]

[QUOTE=MeoDen;2711569]I wouldn't class massages at those places as 'affordable'.

They are all over town. Find them on google maps.

I can't post the Chinese characters here or the google link as the forum can't handle them.

Attached pic of characters for Chinese readers.

The massage place on 252 has sort of reopened, downstairs. The room fee was $7 up until it closed, but given that many punters were happy to pay $15 that will have changed.

Paging RakSopheni. I just heard that Billionaire Bar is now charging a $30 'sit down' fee if a customer wants to talk to a hostess. This of course is the natural progression from punters buying ladydrinks. Next it will be just send the money. We don't even want to have to look at you (woops, sponsors already do that).

Where is the ghost of Noktang?

I'll pay for a haircut, but I won't pay to talk to a hairdresser.

Financial domination is a real thing and some men are clearly into it.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=daTaCfx_E2w[/URL][/QUOTE]No, it wasn't those places I considered affordable. I'm talking about big complexes with saunas and baths. The ones I go to are all around BKK3. There is half a dozen of them over there. A massage is usually $10 and extras vary from $30 to $70 in my experience.

[QUOTE=JimboCojones;2711903]No, it wasn't those places I considered affordable. I'm talking about big complexes with saunas and baths. The ones I go to are all around BKK3. There is half a dozen of them over there. A massage is usually $10 and extras vary from $30 to $70 in my experience.[/QUOTE]So as discussed, could you share some names and locations of these places?

$10 + circa $50 in a big complex with saunas and baths doesn't sound like too bad a deal.

[QUOTE=NormanBrightside;2666420]Firstly many thanks to BB, Racshack and Blanquiceleste. I really appreciate the advice and sharing.

In pre-Covid times I would roll my eyes at yet another "is the hotel GF" ask when the answer is always simply RTFF. However where we are now, for the time being at least it's a very different landscape than it was in 2019, so the more we can help each other navigate the new landscape the better. Communalism rather than individualism I guess.

I've got a great deal on a suite in Sun and Moon so I will check with the hotel as RacShack suggested and report back. And if I can dodge Covid from now until the my departure I'll post my experiences. First time out of Singapore for 3 years. Can't wait.

Cheers.

Norman.[/QUOTE]Gentlemen,

I contacted Sun and Moon to inquire about their current policies. FYI, below is the response I received.

"Unregistered Guest / Visitor Policy.

For security reasons the joiner / unregistered guest must register at front desk with his / her original ID card or passport. No copies are accepted. This identification document will be kept and sign the visitor form at the Front Office during his / her stay with SUN & MOON. The identification document will be returned upon check out, after confirmation by in-house guest via internal phone call.

-Unregistered guest must be above 18 years old and he / she will stay at his / her own risk and hotel management will not take any responsibility in any case of dispute, lost, damage or any injuries.

-Unregistered guest fee will be charged at USD 10.00 net without breakfast (Fee for towels, amenities etc.) unless guest book for double occupancy.

-Unregistered guest breakfast will be charged extra at USD 12.00 net per person.

-Vaccination Card will be required upon arrival (all kind of guests) and STRONGLY need to temperature test and other rollout SOP. ".

It seems like a potential hassle in the event the girl doesn't have all required info so I'm going to look for another place. Thanks for info.

Cheers,

Neidermeyer.

Hello Everyone.

I was planning my trip to Cambodia after 5 -6 days in Pattaya booked the TAO suite. Last trip pre covid was great in PP even though I was much more overweight then. However it seems that after covid19 things have changed in PP. I have had a hard time in Pattaya too cause I'm also Indian but was manageable. PP was still good. But recent reports have really made me concerned about PP especially since this will be the last time I will be visiting these destinations. Should I just ditch Pp and extend my stay in Pattaya? How bad is it in PP compared to Thailand?

Will also spend a few days in Malaysia, visiting a friend.
Thanks in advance guys.

I am staying at the Sun & Moon Urban hotel, nestled in amongst many lady bars. No lack of young ladies in the bars, but I brought a Cambodian lady with me. Next time, I come alone, for sure.

Dear all.

I have my maiden trip to phnom penh coming up in September. I am planning on staying at the rosewood hotel. I would greatly help if you could advise of that is a girl friendly hotel and if it is an ideal location to all the bars and night life.

Thanks in advance.

G.

[QUOTE=Gunners1;2724126]Dear all.

I have my maiden trip to phnom penh coming up in September. I am planning on staying at the rosewood hotel. I would greatly help if you could advise of that is a girl friendly hotel and if it is an ideal location to all the bars and night life..[/QUOTE]For what that hotel charges, it should include "model level" companions. LOL Being a 5* property, it might not be guest friendly. That means either no guests allowed or an extra charge. My policy is to email the hotels directly and ask if I can bring a guest back to my room overnight and if there is any extra charge (indicating that I have reserved a room for two). I've always gotten straight answers from the hotels. And, I've printed out the hotel's response just in case there is a problem later.

As for location, the Rosewood is not in the best area for mongering activities. The best area would be along the Riverside and on Streets 104, 110, 130, 136, and 172. Most of the hotels in that area are 2 and 3 star. If you are looking for a 4 or 5 star hotel with ladies available, you might consider Naga World Hotel and Casino. It's a huge complex with inhouse KTV and lots of nice looking (and expensive) freelancers in the hotel bars and club.

PM me if I can be of more help.

SS.

Thanks SS.

I dropped you a DM.

G.

[QUOTE=SamSanuk;2724204]For what that hotel charges, it should include "model level" companions. LOL Being a 5* property, it might not be guest friendly. That means either no guests allowed or an extra charge. My policy is to email the hotels directly and ask if I can bring a guest back to my room overnight and if there is any extra charge (indicating that I have reserved a room for two). I've always gotten straight answers from the hotels. And, I've printed out the hotel's response just in case there is a problem later.

As for location, the Rosewood is not in the best area for mongering activities. The best area would be along the Riverside and on Streets 104, 110, 130, 136, and 172. Most of the hotels in that area are 2 and 3 star. If you are looking for a 4 or 5 star hotel with ladies available, you might consider Naga World Hotel and Casino. It's a huge complex with inhouse KTV and lots of nice looking (and expensive) freelancers in the hotel bars and club.

PM me if I can be of more help.

SS.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SamSanuk;2724204]For what that hotel charges, it should include "model level" companions. LOL Being a 5* property, it might not be guest friendly. That means either no guests allowed or an extra charge. My policy is to email the hotels directly and ask if I can bring a guest back to my room overnight and if there is any extra charge (indicating that I have reserved a room for two). I've always gotten straight answers from the hotels. And, I've printed out the hotel's response just in case there is a problem later.

As for location, the Rosewood is not in the best area for mongering activities. The best area would be along the Riverside and on Streets 104, 110, 130, 136, and 172. Most of the hotels in that area are 2 and 3 star. If you are looking for a 4 or 5 star hotel with ladies available, you might consider Naga World Hotel and Casino. It's a huge complex with inhouse KTV and lots of nice looking (and expensive) freelancers in the hotel bars and club.

PM me if I can be of more help.

SS.[/QUOTE]This is very good advice.

[QUOTE=Mano112;2718797]But recent reports have really made me concerned about PP [/QUOTE]I don't see any source of concern regarding Phnom Penh. And I live there. What are you referring to?

I was there just a few weeks ago. I am wondering about these reports too. Reports about what?

[QUOTE=SouthEaster;2725745]I was there just a few weeks ago. I am wondering about these reports too. Reports about what?[/QUOTE]Mano noted that he is Indian. There are many reports of a lot of ladies (at least in Thailand) refusing to do business with Indian men. It may be that there is a Hindi group that Mano belongs to that describes concerns not expressed on this and other boards.

I'll be in Cambo for 5 weeks starting next month. I don't foresee any concerns. I haven't heard of any new reasons for concern.

SS.

[QUOTE=SamSanuk;2725993]Mano noted that he is Indian. There are many reports of a lot of ladies (at least in Thailand) refusing to do business with Indian men. It may be that there is a Hindi group that Mano belongs to that describes concerns not expressed on this and other boards.

I'll be in Cambo for 5 weeks starting next month. I don't foresee any concerns. I haven't heard of any new reasons for concern.

SS.[/QUOTE]Thanks for replying. I ended up not going to PP and extended my stay in Pattaya. Had a good time there. The reports I was referring to were those in the forums here in which people mentioned the scene is dead in Pp and girls don't go out with you just make you buy drinks. I also spoke to some old pp contacts and they were so rude to me. I didn't want to take any chances and I was doing good in Pattaya so pushed through. Indians face problems in Pattaya that is there but I go alone and dress up well. In spite of this I used to get rejected. The gogo bars do push us Indians extra for lady drinks but I decided to cave in. My average gogo bill was 1400-1500 baht. I don't know when or if at all I would come back so didn't care much. Making money is a lot lot more difficult in India than western countries hence we in general are so frugal plus a weaker currency. But this is not Pattaya problem right. Anyways I'm sure in the next decade half of Pattaya will cater to Indians only. There is a hell lot of Indian investment I saw this time. Easily 60-70% men were Indians on walking street. The Siam Bayshore hotel was packed with Indians. Also for a long period of time Pattaya definitely has more entertainment it's a bigger playground plus the scene is getting better. Girls have come in in spite of the low season all this is because of covid. The weed scene is going to be the next big thing here. It was a roller coaster ride but had fun.

[QUOTE=DionCassius;2725500]I don't see any source of concern regarding Phnom Penh. And I live there. What are you referring to?[/QUOTE]Some earlier posts on this forum by other users mentioned not having a great time in Pp for multiple reasons. I ended up not going. In lady bars you may buy drinks but the girls won't go out with you those reports plus other things I read. I was enjoying Pattaya so extended my stay there. In fact as per my initial plan I was going to stay in Pp for most of time because my 2019 pp trip was good. Also being Indian didn't matter in Cambodia as much it did in Pattaya. I also spoke to some old pp contacts they were also rude to me and so all this made me not go.

[QUOTE=Mano112;2726440]Some earlier posts on this forum by other users mentioned not having a great time in Pp for multiple reasons. I ended up not going. In lady bars you may buy drinks but the girls won't go out with you those reports plus other things I read. I was enjoying Pattaya so extended my stay there. Infact as per my initial plan I was going to stay in Pp for most of time because my 2019 pp trip was good. Also being Indian didn't matter in Cambodia as much it did in Pattaya. I also spoke to some old pp contacts they were also rude to me and so all this made me not go.[/QUOTE]You might be referring to my posts from earlier in the summer, and good call on avoiding- I personally have no interest in returning. I've said it before and I will say it again- if you are used to the point and shoot ease of Pattaya, Phnom Penh is jarring and discouraging. Only a couple of girls at each bar are available for take-out and they are usually older and less attractive.

It could be that PP enthusiasts that post here often have become acclimated to this situation and / or have a different mode of mongering that involves a longer investment of time and energy and is based more on conversations and relationship building. I think PP would be well suited for a permanent expat with a lower sex drive that wanted a P4 P girlfriend or two, but for the short time tourist looking for quick sex, it is largely a wash.

RS.

[QUOTE=RakSopheni;2726553]You might be referring to my posts from earlier in the summer, and good call on avoiding- I personally have no interest in returning. I've said it before and I will say it again- if you are used to the point and shoot ease of Pattaya, Phnom Penh is jarring and discouraging. Only a couple of girls at each bar are available for take-out and they are usually older and less attractive.

It could be that PP enthusiasts that post here often have become acclimated to this situation and / or have a different mode of mongering that involves a longer investment of time and energy and is based more on conversations and relationship building. I think PP would be well suited for a permanent expat with a lower sex drive that wanted a P4 P girlfriend or two, but for the short time tourist looking for quick sex, it is largely a wash.

RS.[/QUOTE]I understand that Phnom Penh isn't as large a playground as Pattaya and it is true that my point of view might be different from a tourist's perspective. Nevertheless, I know plenty of mongers who keep coming back to PP, so it cannot be so bad.

After COVID, a lot of girls were back in the bars and "hungry".

[QUOTE=DionCassius;2726586]I understand that Phnom Penh isn't as large a playground as Pattaya and it is true that my point of view might be different from a tourist's perspective. Nevertheless, I know plenty of mongers who keep coming back to PP, so it cannot be so bad.
[/QUOTE]Dion Cassius, I'm curious what contributed to your decision to settle in Phnom Penh full time as opposed to another country / city? Although many expats say PP is cheap, a quick Numbeo ([URL]https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/[/URL]) comparison between Pattaya or Angeles reveals this is not the case. Additionally I found PP to be crowded and not very easy to navigate both times I visited. I do love the Cambodian people, but from the perspective of cost, infrastructure, and mongering options it seems like there are better choices. And yet a significant number of Expats chose PP. Curious what they see that I don't. Thanks.

RS.

[QUOTE=RakSopheni;2726600]Dion Cassius, I'm curious what contributed to your decision to settle in Phnom Penh full time as opposed to another country / city? Although many expats say PP is cheap, a quick Numbeo ([URL]https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/[/URL]) comparison between Pattaya or Angeles reveals this is not the case. Additionally I found PP to be crowded and not very easy to navigate both times I visited. I do love the Cambodian people, but from the perspective of cost, infrastructure, and mongering options it seems like there are better choices. And yet a significant number of Expats chose PP. Curious what they see that I don't. Thanks.

RS.[/QUOTE]I lived in Bangkok many years ago. It was during Nam and I was there for one year. AHHH! Those were the days! I don'[think I would go back now as I am 80 years old and in good shape, but the "point and shoot" is not my thing. I now go to China quite often (before Covid) and love the KTV'S. An evenings fun, singing, dancing, and play time then off to your hotel with your pick or picks for the night. No interest in a quick in and out, next, that's for the 20 year olds. I have been to KTV in Cambodia and plenty of beautiful girls and good times. Visited the 136 street and others but didn't do much for me. My point is that if you are looking for as many as you can do in short period of time, then Thailand is probably the place for you.

[QUOTE=RakSopheni;2726600]Dion Cassius, I'm curious what contributed to your decision to settle in Phnom Penh full time as opposed to another country / city? Although many expats say PP is cheap, a quick Numbeo ([URL]https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/[/URL]) comparison between Pattaya or Angeles reveals this is not the case. Additionally I found PP to be crowded and not very easy to navigate both times I visited. I do love the Cambodian people, but from the perspective of cost, infrastructure, and mongering options it seems like there are better choices. And yet a significant number of Expats chose PP. Curious what they see that I don't. Thanks.

RS.[/QUOTE]The answer is very simple: business opportunity. Plus, I already knew the country pretty well. I agree with you, traffic in PP can be a real pain but it can be mitigated if you ride a motorcycle as I do, and there are better options for mongering: Thailand and the Philippines for example. But I am far happier in PP than in Beirut where I used to live before.

[QUOTE=RakSopheni;2726600]Dion Cassius, I'm curious what contributed to your decision to settle in Phnom Penh full time as opposed to another country / city? Although many expats say PP is cheap, a quick Numbeo ([URL]https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/[/URL]) comparison between Pattaya or Angeles reveals this is not the case. Additionally I found PP to be crowded and not very easy to navigate both times I visited. I do love the Cambodian people, but from the perspective of cost, infrastructure, and mongering options it seems like there are better choices. And yet a significant number of Expats chose PP. Curious what they see that I don't. Thanks.

RS.[/QUOTE]The ability to walk off of a plane unannounced and purchase a visa.

The ability to extend that visa indefinitely with no questions asked with $150.

Use of the US dollar.

The fact that foreigners are basically left alone and not bothered at all unless / until they fuck up in a way that causes police attention.

Nothing like it in Asia.

Of course it is still a third world country. But unlike say Malaysia or Thailand, it doesn't try to pretend otherwise.

Dear Rick.

Please clear your inbox. Trying to DM you.

[QUOTE=RickRock;2731907]The ability to walk off of a plane unannounced and purchase a visa.

The ability to extend that visa indefinitely with no questions asked with $150.

Use of the US dollar.

The fact that foreigners are basically left alone and not bothered at all unless / until they fuck up in a way that causes police attention.

Nothing like it in Asia.

Of course it is still a third world country. But unlike say Malaysia or Thailand, it doesn't try to pretend otherwise.[/QUOTE]

Hi guys,

Is Pontoon Club open and the atmosphere similar to what it used to be before COVID?

What is with the outdoor bar next to Pontoon?

[QUOTE=CardBoy;2735442]Hi guys,

Is Pontoon Club open and the atmosphere similar to what it used to be before COVID?

What is with the outdoor bar next to Pontoon?[/QUOTE]I can't tell you. I have only been there once and it was ages ago.

But given how things recovered elsewhere, I would think that it is back to normal.

[QUOTE=DionCassius;2735590]I can't tell you. I have only been there once and it was ages ago.

But given how things recovered elsewhere, I would think that it is back to normal.[/QUOTE]Yes Pontoon is open and crazier and expensive as ever.

Thanks for the information.

Can you give an idea of the prices?

In 2017, I easily found at 30 or 40 $ the st, 50 the LT.

[QUOTE=Dragonfly22;2740353]Yes Pontoon is open and crazier and expensive as ever.[/QUOTE]

Greetings.

Spent a few nights here in Phnom penh and my word it was truly memorable.

Hopped a few bars on Riverside. There is not much of a crowd here and the bars are packed with girls desperate to please. They quality might not be up there but I am sure there is atleast 2 or 3 that will be of your taste.

The drinks for the girls range about 4-5 usd. I did visit those with a long time resident and member of this forum Dion. Who very gratefully showed me to a few famous bars. We had minimum of 3 girls by our side and a few bars we had the entire bar to ourselves. The girls were all over us and there was never a moment when a hand was not under my shorts. The girls were continuing to feel every inch of me and ensure I was well pampered. For 3 hours spend we had a great night.

On one of the bars I was treated to a BBBJ with CIM for an extra 20 usd. All this done in front of the other girls. While one of them even licked me and the other game me her nipples to suck on. A great experience. She gulped the entire load and washed it down with her drink.

IMHO I would rate this place better than saigon due to abundance of bars and friendly ladies.

Enjoy folks. And thanks Dion again.

G.

[QUOTE=Gunners1;2745698]

Enjoy folks. And thanks Dion again.

G.[/QUOTE]You are very welcome and I am glad you enjoyed your time in Phnom Penh.

[QUOTE=DionCassius;2745759]You are very welcome and I am glad you enjoyed your time in Phnom Penh.[/QUOTE]I was in Phnom Penh last week and I had a good time but I struggled to get the younger better looking ladies to barfine. They were fine with drinking and playing in the bar but many didn't want to barfine.

Next time I might send you a private message to see if you're up for showing us around. Spent most of our time at the bars between 101 and 136 streets.

Infact the bar I was in all three girls were desperate to come to my room and spend the night. They made a deal of 60 dollars per person for 3 girls. And were willing to waive the bar fine of 15 usd. Buy I declined as I was not keen.

There are some real gems out there. But you have to weed through the hard core pros to find the diamond you flew all the way here for. It ain't easy but it's definitely available.

G.

[QUOTE=HoustonPlayer;2745762]I was in Phnom Penh last week and I had a good time but I struggled to get the younger better looking ladies to barfine. They were fine with drinking and playing in the bar but many didn't want to barfine.

Next time I might send you a private message to see if you're up for showing us around. Spent most of our time at the bars between 101 and 136 streets.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Gunners1;2745698]Greetings.

Spent a few nights here in Phnom penh and my word it was truly memorable.

Hopped a few bars on Riverside. There is not much of a crowd here and the bars are packed with girls desperate to please. They quality might not be up there but I am sure there is atleast 2 or 3 that will be of your taste.

The drinks for the girls range about 4-5 usd. I did visit those with a long time resident and member of this forum Dion. Who very gratefully showed me to a few famous bars. We had minimum of 3 girls by our side and a few bars we had the entire bar to ourselves. The girls were all over us and there was never a moment when a hand was not under my shorts. The girls were continuing to feel every inch of me and ensure I was well pampered. For 3 hours spend we had a great night.

On one of the bars I was treated to a BBBJ with CIM for an extra 20 usd. All this done in front of the other girls. While one of them even licked me and the other game me her nipples to suck on. A great experience. She gulped the entire load and washed it down with her drink.[/QUOTE]Hi Gunners1,

I will be there early next year. In which bar did you get the BBBJ and CIM?

Please share.

Johnie.

[QUOTE=HoustonPlayer;2745762]I was in Phnom Penh last week and I had a good time but I struggled to get the younger better looking ladies to barfine. They were fine with drinking and playing in the bar but many didn't want to barfine.

Next time I might send you a private message to see if you're up for showing us around. Spent most of our time at the bars between 101 and 136 streets.[/QUOTE]You can send me a MP when you plan going back to PP.

I am in pp now.

Can one of your gentlemen refer me to places that offer CIP without hassle.

I am only game for CIP and not anything less. CIP used to be the standard there.

I don't mind freelancers. Get to my inbox if you are know more contacts or bars you can refer to me.

Hi, I am visiting Phnom Penh 5th October to 7th October. Anyone can help to provide contact details of freelancer or massage with full survice. Help someone is really thankful.

I will land in Phnom Penh tomorrow, I'll be there for a week and then I'll be heading to Malaysia and Philippines. First time in Phnom Penh for me. I know the drill in other places like Thailand, but I've read that it is significantly more difficult to get some action in Cambodia. I'm mainly looking for full service. What are the options for ST / LT FS in PP?

From what I've gathered on this forum and other places, the options for FS are limited. If any members with experience in Phnom Penh could share, it would be appreciated. Which of the following ways is the best to get ST FS?

- Are there freelancers offering ST / LT in different streets? Which streets?

- Do the massage parlors offer FS or just BJs / HJs?

- How easy is it to find freelancers trough online apps like Tinder, Bumble, Badoo, and so on? Anything country-specific for Cambodia, like ThaiFriendly for Thailand?

- Are there Telegram groups to contact freelancers in Cambodia? When I was in Thailand I successfully used Sideline, or Telegram other groups, and they worked great for me in Bangkok. There are these groups where freelancers (or their agents) post some sort of ads with their services and photos. I had some of my best experiences in Thailand using these Telegram groups, is there anything similar in Cambodia?

I assume you've planned this trip / arrival to Cambodia for some time. (Not just a few days ago.) You will probably already be in country by the time you get a response. Ssuggestion: survey the reports on this board; hit the hostess bars on Streets 104-136; find a farang who will be able to answer your questions.

SS.

[QUOTE=Mlang;2750467]I will land in Phnom Penh tomorrow, I'll be there for a week and then I'll be heading to Malaysia and Philippines. First time in Phnom Penh for me. I know the drill in other places like Thailand, but I've read that it is significantly more difficult to get some action in Cambodia. I'm mainly looking for full service. What are the options for ST / LT FS in PP?

From what I've gathered on this forum and other places, the options for FS are limited. If any members with experience in Phnom Penh could share, it would be appreciated. Which of the following ways is the best to get ST FS?

- Are there freelancers offering ST / LT in different streets? Which streets?

- Do the massage parlors offer FS or just BJs / HJs?

- How easy is it to find freelancers trough online apps like Tinder, Bumble, Badoo, and so on? Anything country-specific for Cambodia, like ThaiFriendly for Thailand?

- Are there Telegram groups to contact freelancers in Cambodia? When I was in Thailand I successfully used Sideline, or Telegram other groups, and they worked great for me in Bangkok. There are these groups where freelancers (or their agents) post some sort of ads with their services and photos. I had some of my best experiences in Thailand using these Telegram groups, is there anything similar in Cambodia?[/QUOTE]

I was just in Phnom Penh and found action was cheap and easy. I stayed at the TAO Residence on the waterfront (girl-friendly). It is only a short walk to Street 130 and 134. In spite of how it sounds, these two streets are only a block apart and all the girly bars are in the last two blocks toward the river.

The girls seem to be out early in the evening, although I saw some as early as noon. As you walk down the street they will call to you trying to get you to come over. Actually during the daylight or just around sunset is a good time to find a girl as they are easier to see and check out than when it is dark.

If you spot one or two to your liking, you just walk over. Make eye-contact with the one you are interested in and ignore the others clamoring for you. The mama will suggest you go inside. There it is dark and they have cushy seats to sit on. The girl will sit next to you and rub your leg and / or kiss you. The mama will want you to buy a drink for yourself and the girl ($5. 50). She will want one for herself, too, but just say no. The bar fine is $12 to $15.

If the girl does not speak good English, the mama will interpret. Give them your requirements and when it is all agreed to, you are off to your hotel. It couldn't be easier.

My first night I picked a very enthusiastic 33 year old. She was DFKing me at the bar before we ever left. It only got better once in the room. I had read here that the Khmer women may not be into everything (BBBJ, DFK, DATY), but I found that not to be the case. We had a wild, unrushed session. Total damage was $65.50 (but who is counting?

Last time I visited Cambodia was in 2008, stayed for a month at Walkabout (think that's the correct name of the place, it's been a long and hard 16 years. Paid like 12.00 a day.

Already know that place is long gone, but planning on visiting some old stomping grounds. Shanghai, Sharky, Pontoon and HOD.

Financial situation a little better, so will be staying at NagaWorld this time around. Any info on Darling Darling would be appreciated, along with Casino Ladies.

Have my Cambodia e-visa approved, cell phone roaming upgraded, Naga APPT 55.00 per night deal reservations and airline tickets.

Only planning on having 1000.00 in cash on me upon arrival and just hitting the ATMs as needed.

Found it a bit strange that NagaWorld doesn't accept American Express for both room bookings and cash advances?? Do ATMs in Cambodia accept American Express??

Have a MasterCard, but usual use my American Express when traveling for points.

Oh, staying for 6 days and have some time to maybe make a short trip out of PP.

Any info / suggestions for my trip will be appreciated.

Thanks for the update. That's great to hear! I'd shared similar concerns as Mlang and some others over the past few months that maybe bar fining wasn't that easy anymore. And sorry to say that some recent posts haven't been altogether helpful with 2022 details beyond whetting our appetites (seems obvious that older posts are of limited relevance now). So this is good information and much appreciated. Just a couple of follow up questions, if you don't mind:

- It sounds like TAO residence is uber convenient for bringing girls back. How are you finding TAO residence for overall stay and value, together with your night activities?

- Was $65.60 Short Time or Long Time / overnight? Sounds like it was a single session - 1 q only, or 2?

Cheers, and greatly looking forward to my December PP adventure.

[QUOTE=RedRider;2754996]I was just in Phnom Penh and found action was cheap and easy. I stayed at the TAO Residence on the waterfront (girl-friendly). It is only a short walk to Street 130 and 134. In spite of how it sounds, these two streets are only a block apart and all the girly bars are in the last two blocks toward the river.

The girls seem to be out early in the evening, although I saw some as early as noon. As you walk down the street they will call to you trying to get you to come over. Actually during the daylight or just around sunset is a good time to find a girl as they are easier to see and check out than when it is dark.

If you spot one or two to your liking, you just walk over. Make eye-contact with the one you are interested in and ignore the others clamoring for you. The mama will suggest you go inside. There it is dark and they have cushy seats to sit on. The girl will sit next to you and rub your leg and / or kiss you. The mama will want you to buy a drink for yourself and the girl ($5. 50). She will want one for herself, too, but just say no. The bar fine is $12 to $15.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Volterra;2755358]- It sounds like TAO residence is uber convenient for bringing girls back. How are you finding TAO residence for overall stay and value, together with your night activities[/QUOTE]I stayed there one night a few years ago (pre-covid) and found it not worth the 60 dollars per night, that's why I stayed just a day.

The room in itself was good and big. But I didn't have the riverside view, mine was on the first floor and directed on the street.

The street was not considered to be safe at night (at least from the night clerk's view), so he was closing the entrance doors at night.

It's very annoying when you come back late at night and have to knock on the door to wake him up, especially when you're accompanied by a prostitute.

Others on this forum said they were satisfied by the place but I found it way overpriced.

TAO has been recently updated and is very nice. I couldn't have been happier. The only nit is that it is one of those places that the air conditioning and lights go out when you leave. Otherwise, I would highly recommend it.

Any savvy traveler knows to leave all but one of their credit cards, extra cash and passport in their safe when they are out. I was out every night and didn't worry, nor see anything out of the ordinary.

The $65.50 was for 1 girl ST. She was not a clock watcher (she came twice with DATY, so maybe she was distracted).

As you leave the bar to head to the hotel, other girls will offer to come along and join in, so that option is there.

Red Rider.

Cheers to both Red Rider and Paolo99. Sounds like there have been a bunch of places in PP and BKK finishing up their post covid touch ups in time for December travelers. I'll try out a few guest friendlies to see which ones work for me, but I'll also check out the TAO. Sounds like your ST was a nice meal. Hope I can find similar dining options. I'll jot some thoughts down in January after my new year's rampage (if I survive). Gearing up for it!

So like everyone-after 2 plus years of being locked up, finally got to release the shackles and spend 4 weeks back in Cambodia covering mid September until mid October.

I am a long time and experienced traveller to Cambodia, now pushing 15 years since first time here and this would be trip number 20 something. Time was spent approx 2 weeks in Phnom Penh and somewhere between a week and 2 weeks travelling to other parts of the county to catch up wit family and friends. Other parts mainly being Kampot and Battambang!

Personals circumstances dictate that my best time to get away for some fun play time is early afternoon to evening, however interspread were certainly some night time fun as well.

Firstly, Phnom Penh, the girly bar scene is certainly alive and kicking. Looks like there has been some bar closures and some renamed etc (sadly Mr Butterfly Bar is no longer. Kinda missed the $20 blow and go services there from years past) - but all in all things are pretty much the same. And that means that some bars can be very hit and miss, the talent to me seems similar to before, a couple of decent hotties in most bars mixed with some older long time workers, fresh from the Provence girls with little English, buy me drink princesses. The entire gamut of options.

Now to list which bars where better etc- I always find can be of not much value as things change frequently- girls come and go etc. So I had some fun and took a nice late 20's hottie from Step Wife Bar on 136 one night. Individual prices / bar fines etc have become a blur to me, so from a bar fines perspective the going rate seems to be approx $10 - $15. Lady drinks seem to in the range of $3. 50 $5. 00 dependant upon the bar. I don't go in too Cheap Charlie and be thrifty on the lady drinks, nor do I get sucked into 4 girls hovering around the table all wanting a drink when I have set my laser focus on the one I want to nail that night. So for first time travellers or inexperienced Phnom Penh mongers I know you can easily fall into the trap of buying numerous girls in the same bar at your table numerous drinks, and this can cause your bill to be far larger than you would have expected come the end of your drinking session. So that's just a word of warning to the uninitiated!

Given I have above average Khmer language skills I tend to have fun times and good conversations with the girls in the bars and also I think the language helps me in negotiations as well. Again- this is not a hard and fast rule, just my personal approach is I tend to pay between $30 - $50 for short time. Some will say that's too little, others will argue too much, whatever, it's where I set my own monger budget and it works for me.

So I played mainly in streets 136,130 and 118- wandered but didn't shop in streets 5 or 110 as I have on previous trips. Found a nice very playful girl via WeChat who works at HeartBreak bar on 118 who I booked a couple of times, once during the day before her shift began- fun times.

Whilst I stated most bars are a blur and pretty similar in my eyes, Tokyo Bar on 118 , a big fancy double fronted bar with lots of hot girls out the front is a dud. It's just bland and sterile. I have a feeling it's set up for Asian travellers who are happy to throw many hundreds or dollars around per night. Honourable mentions for places I had fun go to Pussycat Bar on 136 and Island Bar on 118.

From a freelancer perspective, as mentioned, I use WeChat as an app to hunt, with mixed results. Seemed to be a higher number of lady boys this time round if that's your thing, but I did find a nice young thing who worked at a massage shop and obviously uses WeChat to drum up some alternate solo business on the side. I paid $30 short time, meeting at dodgy St 136 guest houses!

Also Riverside freelancers where aplenty once the sun went down. Pick yourself a park bench, turn your back to the street and face the river and your will have numerous girls (and again lady boys) trying to grab your eye, give you a little wave, or unashamedly just come up and sit next to you and start the negotiations, it's ain't too subtle but each party knows what we are there for! For me this was the cheapest and nastiest experiences with $20 easily accepted, plus the $8- $10 guest house fee dependant upon where they suggested!

So other areas- Kampot I was with the wife and family / friends a lot, so no time to play. We did do some girly bar hopping and whilst I wouldn't say from what I saw the talent was exceptional, many bars have sprung up since I was last in Kampot in early 2020. Speaking to a girl we know who owns / manages a bar, like herself, she has said many of the bars are consequence of bar owners leaving Sihanoukville and setting up in Kampot. Don't hold me to the accuracy of the numbers but I would say they are probably 20 odd girly bars now in Kampot spread across the river front and back along the old market buildings immediately as you walk off the river front. So I can't vouch for prices or quality of services BUT I can assure you there is now a mini scene in Kampot!

As for Battambang. WeChat came to the rescue with a very tight young bodied hottie. She started asking $100, she ended up receiving $50 , and a decent pounding!!

And also in Battambang, approx 10 pm one night with our driver, stumbled across so good freelance action on street 127 , which is like a one way little promenade with gardens in the middle-girls sitting on park benches dressed in obvious "come pay to fuck me" clothes. So took a decent looker from there and was happy to pay $30 for a nice session (plus guesthouse room fee).

So all in all a damn good trip. Was so good to finally get back and play in Cambodia after more than 2. 5 years. Generally travel back every 6-9 months so it was a long time between drinks (and bar girl pussy LOL).

Plans to return likely in March 2023 - so I will keep my eyes peeled to the Phnom Penh Forum for latest on the ground reports. Happy to answer any questions people may have as well.

Stay safe and enjoy the punt.

DingoD.

[QUOTE=DingoD;2756451]So like everyone-after 2 plus years of being locked up, finally got to release the shackles and spend 4 weeks back in Cambodia covering mid September until mid October.


...Firstly, Phnom Penh, the girly bar scene is certainly alive and kicking. Looks like there has been some bar closures and some renamed etc (sadly Mr Butterfly Bar is no longer. Kinda missed the $20 blow and go services there from years past) - but all in all things are pretty much the same. And that means that some bars can be very hit and miss, the talent to me seems similar to before, a couple of decent hotties in most bars mixed with some older long time workers, fresh from the Provence girls with little English, buy me drink princesses. The entire gamut of options.

...Also Riverside freelancers where aplenty once the sun went down. Pick yourself a park bench, turn your back to the street and face the river and your will have numerous girls (and again lady boys) trying to grab your eye, give you a little wave, or unashamedly just come up and sit next to you and start the negotiations, it's ain't too subtle but each party knows what we are there for! For me this was the cheapest and nastiest experiences with $20 easily accepted, plus the $8- $10 guest house fee dependant upon where they suggested!

DingoD.[/QUOTE]Nice report DD!

You did not mention anything about Darling, the pick up club in the casino. Do you know if that's back in business? How about Cyrcee?

[QUOTE=Lefeu;2756502]Nice report DD!

You did not mention anything about Darling, the pick up club in the casino. Do you know if that's back in business? How about Cyrcee?[/QUOTE]Sorry. How did I forget my time at Cyrcee! YES. Still open, operating and still the best place for guaranteed 100% no bullshit action. Besides the compulsory lady drink. Like normal, entered, swarmed by 5 girls. Told to pick one, did, was then left alone. Funny thing was going on with the other girls though, they were getting beers from outside and sneaking them pass the prying eyes of the French owner and drinking them in lieu of a slow night BUT the cans they were buying were unrefrigerated, and obviously boss man doesn't allow them to drink outside drinks and use the house ice, so my girl kept asking for her last drink to be topped up with ice and then he other girls would sneak across, grab the ice out of her glass, and then use that for their warm beers!!

I took a hottie, as she said the boss knew me I was able to use the in house upstairs rooms. Think the price was $50 for the girl and $12 for the room-the girl I took said this very young thin looking spinner was her niece and I should take her too.hmmmm. I'll leave that treat for 2023!!

As for Darling Darling. Not in my rotation, the Mrs allows me to take off to girly bars knowing I like a drink and to causally play and flirt with girls (and as much as I believe that's all I think she thinks I do) BUT Darling Darling would likely be a step too far in the obvious "I'm a sleazin around bad bad hubby" LOL.

DingoD.

[QUOTE=DingoD;2756514]Sorry. How did I forget my time at Cyrcee! YES. Still open, operating and still the best place for guaranteed 100% no bullshit action. Besides the compulsory lady drink. Like normal, entered, swarmed by 5 girls...[/QUOTE]I just love that place! I've met some sweet girls there and I always had a great time. One becomes a mongering hero there, as girls swarm over you and each one of them pleads for her case. One year, my wingman took 4 girls to the room. Not sure how they could all fit in those tiny rooms, but they were dirt cheap.

So I went through the forums and have gathered basic info regarding my upcoming trip. But I still have some questions. Hoping someone can help me out with them:

1. How do you find freelancers? I understand that there are freelancers in the lobby of NagaWorld2, so looks like I'm going to have to be there for a week, but apart from them. Zalo and line had closed their nearby services in Vietnam. I think same might be the case with Phnom Penh.

2. I see that Tao residencies is basically full. Is there any other property which is similar (is a residency) on the riverside and is girl friendly.

[QUOTE=UngaBang;2762825]So I went through the forums and have gathered basic info regarding my upcoming trip. But I still have some questions. Hoping someone can help me out with them:

1. How do you find freelancers? I understand that there are freelancers in the lobby of NagaWorld2, so looks like I'm going to have to be there for a week, but apart from them. Zalo and line had closed their nearby services in Vietnam. I think same might be the case with Phnom Penh.

2. I see that Tao residencies is basically full. Is there any other property which is similar (is a residency) on the riverside and is girl friendly.[/QUOTE]There is a ton of information in this thread on how to find girls and how much they cost, but you need to read a few more pages. Good luck.

I'm currently in Vietnam and the nearby feature is definitely active on the LINE app. Soooo many offers for services. I'm hoping that's a viable option for a Cambodia. I'll be there in December.

Taco.

[QUOTE=UngaBang;2762825]So I went through the forums and have gathered basic info regarding my upcoming trip. But I still have some questions. Hoping someone can help me out with them:

1. How do you find freelancers? I understand that there are freelancers in the lobby of NagaWorld2, so looks like I'm going to have to be there for a week, but apart from them. Zalo and line had closed their nearby services in Vietnam. I think same might be the case with Phnom Penh.

2. I see that Tao residencies is basically full. Is there any other property which is similar (is a residency) on the riverside and is girl friendly.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=UngaBang;2762825]So I went through the forums and have gathered basic info regarding my upcoming trip. But I still have some questions. Hoping someone can help me out with them:

1. How do you find freelancers? I understand that there are freelancers in the lobby of NagaWorld2, so looks like I'm going to have to be there for a week, but apart from them. Zalo and line had closed their nearby services in Vietnam. I think same might be the case with Phnom Penh.[/QUOTE]Freelancer options are significantly fewer than just a few years ago. Legacy freelancer joints like Martini and Walkabout are long gone. I reached out to a group of guys who live in PP or visit often. Their assessment is the same as mine. Not a lot of choice. You have the upscale Nagaworld chicks, you can find them at Pontoon, and you have the streetwalkers around what Phnom and along the riverside. Unless you are comfortable with druggies, potential thieves, and assorted issues, I'd stay clear of the streetwalkers. Though beer gardens around the city also offer potential (and known to a Khmer professional sort and friend), it should be noted that if you don't speak Khmer (or your target doesn't speak English), you'd be wasting your time. I'm unsure if Pontoon is even open at this moment. Conflicting reports and YouTube videos could have been edited or posted months or years ago and reposted recently. If I were you, I'd settle for the hostess bars. You won't save any money, but you might save yourself unnecessary grief.

SS.

So I am back in Phnom Penh, eight years since my last visit. I had some good times here in the 2011-2014 period. Last night when I had a look at the hostess bars, I remembered why I stopped coming here: the skyrocketing prices starting in 2014. Yesterday I was quoted 80 dollars (for st, although it seemed to be the same for lt). Is this the common price now? Can it be lowered by haggling? Without appearing as a fool, I mean. 80 usd (+15 for the barfine) is a lot compared to other similar options in Cambodia (see below) and in other Asian countries (esp Phils, Thai). I will check out Cyrcee bar today, they have another style there. I have had good times there before. Another place I liked was Yang Mey massage at street 252 #28. Probably gone after such a long time, but are there similar places today?

Cambodia, December 2022.

Riverside:

- While it is possible to find partner there at anytime, people (40% girls, 60% ladyboys) will only approach you in the evening (from 9 pm until 4 am).

- At night the riverside is said to be dangerous (see below) and it is. But I still ventured at 2 am everyday.

Problems faced:

1. $5 massage shop, convinced me to come in for $10 massage + sex (stupid me). I enter the room, hanged my trouser on the hook next to the wall. The wall actually has a whole used to go inside my trouser to steal the money. The whole cannot be seen because it is hidden by a curtain. Ingenious really. Damage: $80.

2. Riverside: I chatted with a girl while waiting for my girl (which I had planned to meet). After my girl arrived, the girl I was chatting with got really upset, started to follow us, gathered more people who ultimately surrounded the tuktuk we were trying to run away with, asking money to let us leave. Negotiated down from $100 to $40, and insisted on a group hug afterwards. I did not dare to go out the next night. That was at 2 am.

I would say these type of thing can happen, but not more than that. It's obviously not pleasant, and stressful (my girl was actually crying of stress afterwards) but it not life life threatening.

Recommendation: Never carry more than $40 with you.

3. People approach you asking if you want "young lady". Obviously a scam to suck you thousands threatening to call police and NGO if you fall into it. Luckily not my thing. Don't even talk to them, they can use the conversation to threaten you also. Just run away.

Encountered:

- 1 girl from riverside (11 pm): $30, super good service, including kissing and anal rimming.

- 1 girl from riverside (2 pm): this was more like girlfriend relationship. We met 4 days in a raw. She was so sweet and nice. But she was clearly in business. But never asked money. Everyday I slipped $20 in her bag. She cannot read (so sad.). Happy to provide contact to someone kind.

- 1 ladyboy from riverside (midnight): $25. Dick could not fit in.

- 1 ladyboy from wechat: $25 agreed, paid $30. Nice, and we had a good chat also.

- 1 boy from tinder, looking for relationship, no sex.

None of them created any problem or stole any money. I got lucky I think.

Ways to meet people:

- Bars are full of options. I usually don't like bars, but they are a safe way to proceed.

- Riverside, I got lucky, but a lot of shit people there.

- Tinder: mostly people looking for serious relationships.

- Wechat (people near me): works well. Clearly a few pros there. Price quoted ranged from $30 to $200 (and the $200 was non negotiable). Those Chinese are ruining markets by overpaying for everything. They are the favorite customer: small dick not painful and pays generously. Not there are no Chinese there due to China covid situation. So white is next best thing.

It's the wild wide west! Or wild wide east rather!

Encountered:

- 1 girl from riverside (11 pm): $30, super good service, including kissing and anal rimming.

- 1 girl from riverside (2 pm): this was more like girlfriend relationship. We met 4 days in a raw. She was so sweet and nice. But she was clearly in business. But never asked money. Everyday I slipped $20 in her bag. She cannot read (so sad.). Happy to provide contact to someone kind.

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None of them created any problem or stole any money. I got lucky I think.

Ways to meet people:

- Bars are full of options. I usually don't like bars, but they are a safe way to proceed.

- Riverside, I got lucky, but a lot of shit people.

It's the wild wide west! Or wild wide east.

Great. Report Daniel and thank you. I am regarded. As a kind "old man" and am known for treating women well and fairly. Would appreciate you forwarding her contact details if would. I will be there in February.

Johnie.

After having travelled to the Philippines, Thailand and Vietnam numerous times, I finally decided to give Cambodia a try. Had it not been for Angkor what, I would not have made the trip due to higher P4 P costs here compared to Thailand.

I'm glad I made the trip.

My first stop was in Phnom Phen for two nights. It was a short flight from Bangkok and there are some very nice hotel bargains in PP.

The forum spoke highly of Cyrcee so I decided to give this a shot. My first stop that night was to NagaWorld to walk around the casino. There was a nice hostess bar next door, named Darlin Darlin Music Bar. There were some very beautiful ladies standing side-by-side at the bar awaiting an invitation to come to your table to drink. It was weird, in that the place was full of foreign men sitting at their tables in groups of 2 and 3 with no ladies sitting and drinking with them. This was a dead giveaway that not only were the lady drink prices high, but there was probably a related fee for their time. I flirted with one for about 15 minutes then finally invited her over. Man, what a rip off. The ladies were asking $200 usd for all night. Not sure what the bar fine was on top of that. Her drink was $12 usd and she tried to game me by saying that because she sat with me and I didn't take her, that her boss was going to charge her $50 usd. I almost spit my drink out. That was hilarious. I told her to bring her manager over here and I would take care of the issue. Needless to say, I didn't pay that and neither did she request him to come over. I got her number to connect with her the next night. I never called her. Later that evening I found my fun street.

From Darlin Darlin I took a tuktuk to Cyrcee. However, on the way the driver went down Street 136. It had hostess bar after hostess bar with large groups of ladies yelling for men to come in for a drink. I was thinking, "my kind of street". Then he took a few turns and was going down a dark street on the way to Cyrcee. I told him to take me back to Street 136 as I wasn't sure if I were about to be taken to a dark alley and rolled for my cash. He turned around and dropped me off at a bar named 'The Lady Bar'. I remember reading that they want you to choose one (to come inside and drink with you) so I picked a young stunner. We had two drinks. Then I paid her $15 bar fine and agreed to $100 usd for all night 9 pm to 10 am. I knew the prices were high, but she was a stunner. We woke up around 8 am and went for breakfast. Came back and got my last smash in. It was a great time. Their mileage is very low, so this was a new, exciting and addicting experience for me.

The next night I went back to Street 136 and picked another bar who had a mature lady sitting outside. She agreed to the same deal as the night before. It was 7 pm. She had a kid at home so I agreed she could leave at 6 am.

Never made it to Cyrcee. Phnom Penh is expensive compared to Thailand, Philippines and Vietnam, but it was fun. The population there is around 2. 5 to 3 million. The women aren't as experienced (lower mileage) and have a different look than neighboring countries. It was a fun experience. These notes are more for me if / when I return.

Great report! Arriving this evening. Happy to take that's gals contact info and some pictures, if you have any.

Taco.

[QUOTE=DanielDuran;2769913]Riverside:

- While it is possible to find partner there at anytime, people (40% girls, 60% ladyboys) will only approach you in the evening (from 9 pm until 4 am).

- At night the riverside is said to be dangerous (see below) and it is. But I still ventured at 2 am everyday.

Problems faced:

1. $5 massage shop, convinced me to come in for $10 massage + sex (stupid me). I enter the room, hanged my trouser on the hook next to the wall. The wall actually has a whole used to go inside my trouser to steal the money. The whole cannot be seen because it is hidden by a curtain. Ingenious really. Damage: $80.

2. Riverside: I chatted with a girl while waiting for my girl (which I had planned to meet). After my girl arrived, the girl I was chatting with got really upset, started to follow us, gathered more people who ultimately surrounded the tuktuk we were trying to run away with, asking money to let us leave. Negotiated down from $100 to $40, and insisted on a group hug afterwards. I did not dare to go out the next night. That was at 2 am.

I would say these type of thing can happen, but not more than that. It's obviously not pleasant, and stressful (my girl was actually crying of stress afterwards) but it not life life threatening.

Recommendation: Never carry more than $40 with you.

3. People approach you asking if you want "young lady". Obviously a scam to suck you thousands threatening to call police and NGO if you fall into it. Luckily not my thing. Don't even talk to them, they can use the conversation to threaten you also. Just run away.

Encountered:

- 1 girl from riverside (11 pm): $30, super good service, including kissing and anal rimming.

- 1 girl from riverside (2 pm): this was more like girlfriend relationship. We met 4 days in a raw. She was so sweet and nice. But she was clearly in business. But never asked money. Everyday I slipped $20 in her bag. She cannot read (so sad.). Happy to provide contact to someone kind.

- 1 ladyboy from riverside (midnight): $25. Dick could not fit in.

- 1 ladyboy from wechat: $25 agreed, paid $30. Nice, and we had a good chat also.

- 1 boy from tinder, looking for relationship, no sex.

None of them created any problem or stole any money. I got lucky I think.

Ways to meet people:

- Bars are full of options. I usually don't like bars, but they are a safe way to proceed.

- Riverside, I got lucky, but a lot of shit people there.

- Tinder: mostly people looking for serious relationships.

- Wechat (people near me): works well. Clearly a few pros there. Price quoted ranged from $30 to $200 (and the $200 was non negotiable). Those Chinese are ruining markets by overpaying for everything. They are the favorite customer: small dick not painful and pays generously. Not there are no Chinese there due to China covid situation. So white is next best thing.

It's the wild wide west! Or wild wide east rather![/QUOTE]

I arrived at 8 pm at Cyrcee secret bar, PP. Nine girls were present, some upwalkers, but I said I wanted to have a drink first before I decided. Only three of the girls looked good, the rest were chubby. One in background smiled so I asked here to come along: Nona, 23. We walked 5 minutes to a short time hotel. She was very nice, I asked here to continue BBBJ, good. Finished cowgirl cfs, energic girl! 16 to bar (drinks and barfine), 50 to girl, 8 to hotel. Amounts in usd. All the same procedure as in 2014, but at a new location. The hotel was better this time!

Cambodia December 2022.

I'm just in Phnom Penh at the beginning of an extended Cambodia-Thailand holiday. First time to PP, so I want to take in the city first and gradually start my indulgences. The first few days are mainly sightseeing (cool city vibe) and making some online connections with girls. I'm doing an airbnb for a few days, which is not guest friendly, but I've been laying some ground work for several hotels I'll stay at and getting on various apps to see what might be arranged in advance. I start my mongering activities tomorrow, but there are early signs of good activity, including an unexpected HJ, that I thought I'd pass on here as an intro.

First, I've gotten on several apps (Tinder, Skout, Thai Friendly, Wechat) and can say that it has been very easy to meet girls from 20-40 online. Many of them have initiated chats, ST, and weekend dates. As a couple previous reports mentioned, there are tons of tinder possibilities, but they are mostly looking for serious relationships. I matched with about 10 just in the first couple hours that I enabled discovery, and then I disabled because it's taking too much time. But everytime I enable again there is a lineup of new matches. Some are not lookers but there seem to be lots between 30-37 who are quite fit and attractive (on photos anyway). Yeah, they want to chat and ask lots of the same BS questions (bores the hell out of me), but 2 nice looking ones asked me out for Friday / Saturday night dates after just a few messages and within a few minutes of each other.

I also have the same response on skout, though not many users here. I'm going to turn tdr / skt off though because I want to skip the chatter and get straight down to business. But for anyone wanting to spend a long time here, the dating route is a good possibility, presuming that you have a good security guard and can keep things spread out. My sense is that a lot of them go to Oscars for live weekend music, so you could run into some awkward situations there very quickly.

I've been waiting to get to BKK for Thai Friendly, but I've gotten lots of attention in PP (and from TH) already. Can't tell if the Cambodian girls are as serious on that, but there seem to be some young 20's girls ready to trade (and LOTS of Thai girls making contact). I'm keeping TF on the back burner til BKK, but I might fire up that burner just a couple days before going.

Wechat is another story. A couple recent reports mention that, and indeed, it appears to be an easy trade route. I've met a bunch of Viets (seem to be here for 1 month "working holiday" LOL), Chinese, and Cambodians who are ready to engage (10 new "friends" from people nearby, and I stopped looking after 2 nights. Many more available). They're mostly low to mid 20's. A couple quoted me 100ST /200 LT but they immediately agreed to half that. I told them I had to wait (and in any case want to check out the lady bars at night), but they've kept coming with nightly offers: "can I come over?" "Do you want to see me?" Based on photos alone, I'd rate them as 7-8/10 in looks. Very good bodies but not quite the stunners you're looking for. I may try an assortment of them ST first and then see if any are worth / safe for LT. But wechat is undoubtedly on offer here as a mongering lane.

Last night I was in bad need of a massage after long walking and swimming days. I went to a moderate price place called Champei on St. 57. I was really looking for veggie massage only (not expecting any additional services), so I ordered a 60 minute foot massage ($14) and a 60 minute traditional Khmer massage ($13 - basically a full body massage with pajamas on and no oil). The foot massage came first. It was very chill and calm, just one other female customer until a few young Cambodian dudes and a Korean dude came in. My foot masseuse was pretty, slightly big boned, but could speak no English. Her foot massage wasn't bad, appropriate for the price, but she didn't have the power I was expecting. Still, it was basically what I wanted, and would do it again there at that price.

Then they led me to a private room with 2 beds and told me to change. I closed the door and was trying to decide whether or not to keep the underwear on. I didn't (wanting to see if anything might transpire), but when I opened the door, a rather curvy young women came in. I felt relieved because I really didn't want to think about sex, and I hoped her extra weight would do wonders for my aching muscles (which they did). I started on my back, and her leg massage skills were actually not bad, but it didn't take long for her to get to the explorative teasing part, going straight up my inner thighs without hesitation and pressing right next to little brother and his 2 round companions. But I wasn't sure what her intentions were. Over the next 10 minutes, I can say that she expertly led me down the path toward a happy ending, gradually touching my naughty bits more and more to see if I'd respond. Then she got up and turned the lights very dim. Hell, who can't get aroused in that situation. She had her mask on, but her eyes kept looking at mine as I gasped more and more each time her fingers glided past my balls.

But seriously, I wasn't in the mood. I only got hard a couple times and really wanted those fingers to go under the pajama bottom. Eventually they did, and she started grabbing my balls lightly and stroking LB with her right hand as she played with my nipples with her left. But it takes 4 things for the happy ending to work. Atmosphere, a skillful masseuse, a horny customer, and a masseuse who is adequately sexy / attractive. The first 2 things were there, but the latter 2 were lacking. I knew I wasn't going to cum, though she was fully wacking me for that purpose. And she wasn't asking for anything extra. The happy ending massage would have only cost $13 had I gone through with it!

I actually stopped her and said I didn't want to finish, which I think hurt her feelings a bit. I turned over on my stomach, because I seriously wanted the same quality back massage that she'd done on my front legs. But she was really lacklustre all of the sudden. She only worked my back a little, though she eventually got back to pressing her weight, but I knew I'd offended her. Seriously, it wasn't her fault. Even though she's not that attractive / sexy, her foreplay was really not badly done. Anyway, time was up and she unceremoniously walked out of the room. When I walked downstairs to pay up, there may have been some expectation from her of a tip (I passed her in the hallway. Not bad looking at all), but the front reception didn't suggest anything. So I paid my $27 in cash for the 2-hour massage and left.

Today I walked past about a dozen little massage shops, some $5 cheapies and some nicers ones. But I can guess that all but the most expensive provide the happy ending option. Maybe I'll try that later and hope for a better looking girl. But for now, I'm gearing up for some lady bar visits in the coming weeks, along with my daytime sightseeing. More posts on the way.

So I just spent about a month in Cambodia. And what a month it was. There seems to be a lot of confusion especially since covid so I'll write about my experience and also the general info about places in Phnom Penh.

Before even coming, one week before I set tinder and badoo both in Phnom Penh and had a blast. Dating in Cambodia is pretty easy. Compared to Vietnam a lot of locals know English though it's not comparable to the ease of Thailand. I matched with a girl who I really vibed with. She suggested that she'll come to pick me up at the airport.

So on the day my flight landed she came to pick me up and we hit it off. But here's where the first realisation hit me. Khmer woman are more reserved. Even more so than Vietnamese. This is not a place of point and shoot.

I had a reservation at loft facing riverside in Tao. It's a pretty sweet place. So we went there and started kissing. But she refused sex. I'm not sure why she did. But I suspect because she wasn't on pills. So we had a bit of fun and then I dropped her off to her home. And hit up line.

Line General impression:

I had 6 women over line. All of them were nothing to boast about. They were pretty, but pretty ones were not VFM IMO. They charged 200 $ for 2 time which is just bullshit. And mostly you can negotiate down to 50-60 $ for one time but after the ease of Thailand and Vietnam I can totally understand why some people would be pissed off about that. I would suggest you to skip line. It's just not worth it.

Next morning we met again had breakfast and spent the day together. Night comes she was all over me. But during sex it was clear that she was in pain. She told me she has only ever been with one other person (her BF) and hasn't been with anyone for 4 years. Her tightness pretty much confirmed that. We had an insane night together. She told me she worked part time for an NGO and was leaving for village the next day. Which is the week when I had my line adventures.

Got bored of line and decided to hit the bars. And oh man. This has to be the best and worst part of Cambodia. Best cause if you explore you can find some awesome gems here. Worst cause in order to explore you have to drink. I'm not much of a drinker. Nor a smoker. So for me, this was a little hard getting used to.

Ostex (Corner bar):

Best one IMO. Went there 2-3 times. Get ready to break some hearts and see puppy eyes. Cause every time you go women who you've already been with would be all over you. And you'll have to say no to them. But pretty cool place. General price was 60 $ ST and 100 $ LT (LT includes 3 shots. Though they try to reduce it to 2).

Ostex is the only one I remember cause it was my first. But there are a lot of other bars on this street and the street adjacent. All of them which I visited had willing girls ready to be bar fined. At one place I just went outside, talked to the girl for 5 minutes and bar fined her without ever getting a drink.

I did not face any racism. Some members of ISG faced it I think. But I was fortunate enough to have awesome experiences and fun times without ever explicit racism.

Cyrcee:

It's a nice place. 50 $ for ST without women ever trying to get more drinks out of you. But it's nothing special. It's like other bars and I didn't see anything special about it. It's a little far from other bars.

My girl then came back and we went to Siem Reap for a week. So I couldn't monger there. But neither was I interested. Though line worked pretty well there. I was getting offers for 70 $ LT. Second night my girl tells me she forgot to take the pill and is late. And started saying I love you. Man that was hard to handle.

Came back to Phnom Penh third week and one girl who I was talking to secretly invited me over to coffee. Had an amazing ONS with her.

Then next night told my girl I had a lot of work. So she went back to her province to meet her parents. This gave me 4 days to explore.

Pontoon:

What a dump of a fucking place. Why is this place famous for mongers I've no idea. First, yes some women are hot here. But you've to realize, exploring girly bars will give you chances with much hotter women. Plus one women I was with at girly bar was also at Pontoon that night. I made clear to her that I wasn't looking for any action with her but would buy her drinks. She told me a lot of women who come to Pontoon are actually from girly bars or line women. They bar fine each other and then spend the night finding customers in Pontoon. Reason is at girly bars they get 100 $ for LT. In Pontoon they get 250 $ minimum. There's a lot of other nice clubs in Phnom Penh. I would suggest you to skip Pontoon. If it's partying you're after then this is not that bad of a place.

After this during my last 6 days I stayed at Nagaworld2.

Nagaworld:

First, a single day in Nagaworld costs 65 $. While at Tao cost 70 $ for riverside Penthouse. I would recommend you to stay at Nagaworld. Tao rooms are bigger. But Nagaworld has so much opportunities. For example, once while going to darlin darlin, a woman came out of a room. Very clearly a hot working girl who said she'll make me happy for 100 $ per hour. She was clearly there and wanted to earn extra after just being with a customer. I didn't want to do that. So skipped. Other time I was going to darlin darlin and a hot women sitting at casino called me over and offered 150 $ for LT. I had running suspicion she was a ladyboy. So I skipped. But she was damn hot. Also girly bar girls love coming to Nagaworld. Once I told them I stay at Nagaworld, even though Tao is more expensive, they would just swoon over. Offer them breakfast and they'll go with you for 70 $ LT. Also, Nagaworld food is pretty nice.

Darlin Darlin:

It's an ok place. Some women cost 200 $ for ST. Which I just don't think objectively they're worth. But in Cambodia they're worth. I went there twice. Both time had pretty good time but it's just that women are not worth the price they charge. Yes some of them are drop dead gorgeous. But if you're willing to pay 350 $ for LT you can find extremely hot women at girly bars too.

Overall, Cambodia is it's own sort of place. It's not like Thailand which spoils you with its ease. It's also not like Vietnam where you get sweet action for cheap. But it is worth exploring. It's a beautiful country with a lot of women. Women especially who are roaring to date. But it falls short as mongering destination if you only have less than a week. But if you can spend more time here then it's definitely awesome.

P.S. , I've no fucking idea what I'm going to do with my girl. One time I tried breaking up with her and she cried. I told her I cheated and she cried. I told her I'm going back to Vietnam to meet my friends for a month and she cried and said she'll wait for me. No fucking idea what sort of mess I've gotten myself into LOL.

[QUOTE=UngaBang;2771421]I had 6 women over line. All of them were nothing to boast about. They were pretty, but pretty ones were not VFM IMO. They charged 200 $ for 2 time which is just bullshit.

Reason is at girly bars they get 100 $ for LT. In Pontoon they get 250 $ minimum. There's a lot of other nice clubs in Phnom Penh. I would suggest you to skip Pontoon. If it's partying you're after then this is not that bad of a place.

Some women cost 200 $ for ST. Which I just don't think objectively they're worth. But in Cambodia they're worth. I went there twice. Both time had pretty good time but it's just that women are not worth the price they charge. Yes some of them are drop dead gorgeous. But if you're willing to pay 350 $ for LT you can find extremely hot women at girly bars too.[/QUOTE]These prices are crazy man, next they're going to ask for 500 dollars or what.

Anyone is really giving these amount for 1 night with a Cambodian girl?

Some good reports. I'll only add stuff that hasn't been said recently.

Riverside park at night is dark. Be careful.

Nagaworld. Huge casino. Smoky everywhere.

Line app is popping. $130-$50. One shot.

Phnom Penh is not a well lit city and is not pedestrian friendly. No sidewalks. People drive mopeds like they are retarded. Tuk tuk driver stopped on a 6 minute ride to get out and piss on a wall haha. Grab taxis drive like grandmothers.

English definitely not as widely spoken as SR.

Riverside bars.

Pussy cat bar- WGs. Soooo many bars and girls. And good looking ones at 10 pm. Way better than HCM. And they are available for take out. Negotiable.

A very small sprinkling of girls at open bars during the daytime in the riverside bar area.

Cyrcee-same prices as recently mentioned. The girls aren't allowed to sit out front. Ordinance for that neighborhood.

Infinity bar. Open 24 hours. New shift comes on at 1 am and that's the start of $1 beer draft happy hour. Chica quoted me all night for $100 plus $20 bar fine. And she was a single mom. Hard pass.

Darling darling. Baller vibe. Chicas are a little more cleaned up but not by much. Bar service was super slow. Good ventilation from all the chain smokers. Didn't get any quotes.

Thought Thursday's girls looked better than Friday's on riverside. Soooo many can't read in their native tongue.

Bumble, badoo, seeking all work. No PDA with the girls and they wear the Worlds ugliest underwear. Vomit.

Enjoy.

Taco.

I'm seeing huge numbers reported here recently, like $200+ (though it doesn't sound like the mongers reporting these prices are actually paying them, they're just reporting the quotes they are getting.) I've been in PP on and off for several months now. I've been with many many very cute bargirls. I've been paying between $40 and $60, sometimes st and sometimes LT. Often enough, probably more often than not, I have the girl give me those beautiful words, when I ask what she wants, "it's up to you." In which case I generally give $50. After which, I get smiles and an exchange of whatsapp numbers, and no end of follow up texts. These are bar girls, if I went with a freelancer I would expect to pay less. I cannot imagine why anyone would pay a hooker $200 in Cambodia.

But hey, it's not my money, and I'm not pressed for time. Maybe a big spender would also pay $20 for the tuktuk ride that the tuktuk driver would be happy to accept $2 for, though the driver is also happy to find a sucker. And good for the driver.

Anyone new to Cambodia, your target price ought to be around $50, however hot and beautiful the girl is. With some girls that will get you LT, with other girls maybe not. My current girl, my regular, I've been with her for a while now, I am giving her way less than that. But, for her, I'm dependable. And I dependably give her orgasms, the sex is good on both sides. So there's that.

It's your money, but if someone asks radically more than that, you are being suckered. Like the tuktuk driver asking $20 for a ride that anyone else would pay $2 for.

[QUOTE=Buhuiba;2772400]I'm seeing huge numbers reported here recently, like $200+ (though it doesn't sound like the mongers reporting these prices are actually paying them, they're just reporting the quotes they are getting.) [/QUOTE]I think you might be referring to this video by Edward Sweeney.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLEQft-S1Lw[/URL]

I wen't and checked my notes from this summer and the prices I recorded were about $10-15 bar fine, $50-55ST. That doesn't mean I'm disputing his claim or am a fan of PP. I think a very large number of girls simply don't go with customers and this high number is a polite way to decline.

From my experience at these "Hostess" bars, most of the girls are only working for drinks now. They make the most money catering to Asian businessmen who like to arrive in large groups, make it rain and don't necessarily even bar fine the girls.

Sure, mongers will post on here defending PP, but mostly its longtime expats who have ended up in PP due to business and made the most of it. I suppose it's not a bad place to be stuck compared to the Western World, but as a sex tourist destination- just go to Thailand. It's not even cheap from a cost of living perspective. Go on Numbeo and do a direct comparison between Pattaya and Phnom Penh and you will see what I mean:

[URL]https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/comparison.jsp[/URL]

I'm only in Phnom Penh for a short while. Stayed at Nagaworld 2. I didn't have much time in the city and I flew in late so I just checked-in and took a Tuktuk to 136 at around 10:15/1030 PM. Started from the east end near Riverside and walked in to take a look. I did walk past 7-11 to check those bars, but didn't see much there. I turned around walked back and stopped at a bar that I don't remember the name of. It was between Ostex bar and Alaska bar on the same side of the street. The place looked like it had the most amount of girls there so I went in. The inside is pretty narrow with a bar on the right, seating on the left and a bigger table / setup near the back.

Sat with one girl who I thought looked better from afar and we didn't really click, so I asked for a change. Next girl was at least more touchy / feely. She had a light brown skintone with dimples and had small tattoos all over her body. She didn't really have a punk rock chick vibe, she was more a sweet GND with some tats and a nice butt. She said she was 22. I sat with her and then mamasan for a while before I asked about price. She quoted me $15 BF /$100ST. Tried to negotiate but doesn't seem like they would budge from $100. Seems like from the reports here it should be half that but they kinda just scoffed at my counters to $100. Not sure if they really won't take less or what not but my options were go to another place and haggle down to. $80? Or just take what I had now so that's what I did. I think if she was much older I'd probably just declined.

Tuktuk from 136 to Naga 2 is probably like "$1. 50" or 6000 Riels. Guy wanted $3. But he gladly took $2 so yeah take that for what you will. If you want you can probably get it for 6000 but to me it's $0. 50. Not going to haggle like a local for that.

She actually had no street clothes so she just went to my hotel dressed the same as the bar. She had a strapless dress on but I'm guessing it's already pretty obvious anyways, no one really cared. The elevator we got in had 2 WGs walking out so I'm guessing this is already a very typical sight for them.

Anyways, we did the deed, she liked me kissing her neck and ear and sucking her breasts. She blew me only for a little bit but I was fine with that since I wanted to get the deed done. Did mish, tried doggie but it wasn't working out well so we went back and finished in mish. I paid her and she left.

[QUOTE=RakSopheni;2772516]I think you might be referring to this video by Edward Sweeney.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLEQft-S1Lw[/URL]

I wen't and checked my notes from this summer and the prices I recorded were about $10-15 bar fine, $50-55ST. That doesn't mean I'm disputing his claim or am a fan of PP. I think a very large number of girls simply don't go with customers and this high number is a polite way to decline.

From my experience at these "Hostess" bars, most of the girls are only working for drinks now. They make the most money catering to Asian businessmen who like to arrive in large groups, make it rain and don't necessarily even bar fine the girls.

Sure, mongers will post on here defending PP, but mostly its longtime expats who have ended up in PP due to business and made the most of it. I suppose it's not a bad place to be stuck compared to the Western World, but as a sex tourist destination- just go to Thailand. It's not even cheap from a cost of living perspective. Go on Numbeo and do a direct comparison between Pattaya and Phnom Penh and you will see what I mean:

[URL]https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/comparison.jsp[/URL][/QUOTE]I've tried watching a few of his videos, hes unbearable.

From what I've heard him say, he always quotes the highest imaginable rates.

Which tells you how much the "ladies" desire him, but what I find so objectionable about him.

Is when he says with a really shitty tone, if you don't pay it someone else will.

Yeah maybe somebody that's a fat drunken loser like him!!

His videos are garbage, I have always given him thumbs down.

Youtube would be better without him.

I'm going to chime in on the PP scene since there seems to be lots of disagreement on relative advantages / disadvantages. I just cut short my PP stay and hightailed it to Pattaya (where I'm happily feasting for Christmas now), because the PP girl scene was NMCOT at all.

PP is a lovely city in general. Very chill, lots of character, Cambodians seem super nice, lively but reasonable pace, streets are busy but not too loud and drivers not too aggressive. I stayed up near Independence Monument on st 278 for 4 days then at Sun Moon near bars 4 days. The daytime vibe is really nice, and nighttime markets, nightlife, etc. All vibrant. I'm thinking of moving there in a couple years, I liked it so much.

Except for the girl scene. I'the have to agree with recent pessimistic (yet realistic) reports by RakSopheni. I understand some guys have a good time with girls in PP, but I think it only works for old Cambodia hands (who know the scene left and right and have long established contacts with mamasans etc) and newbies who gravitate toward PP style hostess bars.

I'm not one of them. First, I honestly didn't find PP women that attractive. The real lookers were mostly Viets (asking astronomical prices on wechat and in Pontoon, freaking little scoundrels. , quoting $300 LT /$150st and barely budging). I just didn't feel my LB very tantalized at the sight of most local girls. And while non-WGs were very friendly, if not a bit shy, those engaged in the trade were of a different DNA, deceptive, combative, aggressive (and can't speak a word of English).

Walking past the loads of bars at night, even if there were big packs of girls in front, they were doing nothing to make their places inviting. Most of them are not very fit, they were more interested in playing on their phones (except for a brief moment where they'the try to scream at passers by), and they were mostly just littering the outdoor bar tables with their take away containers that they'the eat from and not bother to clean off, leaving no where for customers to sit.

My biggest agreement with RakSopheni is the change in motivation. It really is all about milking guys for drinks. Sure, some guys here report "success," but I'm half suspicious that they may not be totally reliable. Or maybe some are just lucky. I'm not a newbie to mongering and have learned over the years that persistence will eventually pay off. But that wasn't the case in PP. I'll recount just a few of the many fiascos during my recent (failed) 8 day PP "binge. ".

First there's the ol reliable Air Force bar down on 104. I went in around 9 pm on a Friday night. There were 2 younger regular western customers outside and I was the only customer inside. This chubby 38 year old (obviously mamasan though she claimed not to be) called a lineup for me and I chose the sole young good looking one to my table. She was 19 and from the provinces, couldn't speak a word of English, but she was one of the finest girls I met in PP. I could barely keep my hands off her young thin body, Chinese looking face / milky skin and long black hair. But chubby mama was there "translating" for me (as I learned through my trip, they also help train and control price levels for the less experienced staff), itself extremely irritating (and confirmation that not speaking Khmer will not help your chances.

I'm not one of these guys who wants to engage in endless BS chatter with bar girls, so I got right down to business asking about bar fines and girl prices. The girl was immediately apprehensive about the BF prospect, and what became the familiar refrain of PP excuses starting raining down. "Oh I live an hour away. , have to get up early. , too many customers coming. " When I pushed it, she quoted BF $15 and 80 for ST. I would have countered with 40 if I was interested in ST but I want to wake up and fuck these girls at dawn. So when I asked for LT she repeated the excuses and it was clearly going nowhere. She wasn't going to LT me at all and wouldn't consider ST til much later in the evening. The only prospect was to go into the BJ room with pool tables for quick one, but I was already put off and decided to get the bill. Freaking chubby mama charged me $6. 50 for the lady drink and $2. 50 for my Cambodia beer. BS! When I ran into regular guy in the toilet he confirmed should normally be $4. 50 for LD. I complained to chubby mama but she kept insisting it's what she always charges. "Ask the regular customers outside!" she said. "I already did. " And I informed her that I'the pass on the unfavorable experience to my fellow dudes (which I'm doing here). So farewell Air Force chubby mama, and best wishes for success in your empty bar!

Another night was Cyrcee, which seems to be a favorite among many here. I have to wonder who really wrote those glowing reports, because it was a double joke to me. First, it's totally out of the way from the rest of the scene (which could be positive to some) but I went on a Thursday and it was closed (after making the effort to go there). Went back around 11 pm on Friday and it was completely empty except for grumpy French boss and a handful of homely looking girls. The thecor is nice, but the problem is that there is only the bar stools, so when you sit down you're attacked by the most aggressive ones next to you, and once you get rid of them, you can't get a good look at the others without turning around and staring awkwardly (which they would inevitably see as an invitation). So after drinking 1 beer without conversation, I went to the toilet as an excuse to get a look at the others. Wow, what a disappointment. The best one was a slightly overweight girl in her low 20's wearing jeans (I remember because I saw her later that night at Pontoon). A 6. 5 out of 10 at best. Maybe an occasional customer will get lucky there, but I saw nothing at all and promptly left, bored out of my skull.

Back around sts 130/136, I went into a couple more places, making sure that I asked about drink prices / bar fines / availability to take girls home with each mamasan I encountered. What I ended up getting was a pack of repeated lies and excuses. "Oh yes you can take any girl home!" they assured me. Then when I picked out the only 1 or 2 I found at all attractive and young, "Oh sorry, she's with another customer" (that customer immediately leaves empty handed but she sends the girl to a different customer who's arrived after I already made my request).

I managed to buy a drink for nice looking 19 year olds (after getting assurances from mamasans) at a couple places like Same Same but Different and Su kho, but through the conversation, it became more baiting and manipulation, followed by excuses. "Oh sorry, I have applied for a new ID and haven't received it yet so can't register at your hotel. " "Oh sorry, she's having her period tonight. " BS after BS after BS.

Pontoon late night wasn't much better. Good looking ones were mainly looking to swindle desperate guys, often working in packs to prop each other up, but most were just half attractive leftovers that I had seen earlier at hostess bars.

These are only a few of the jokes played on me, vastly outnumbering my successes (themselves not memorable at all). So after a week of uninspiring shadow boxing, I decided "f. K it, I'm going to Pattaya," and poof! Here I am getting Mr. LB eaten alive at cheaper prices and with better looking girls than PP without even trying.

There are some new challenges in Pattaya that I'll write about later, but the main concurrence I have with RakSopheni is that the PP hostess bars are more like Western strip clubs without stripping and without dancing. The girls seem to have little / no incentive to leave with customers. Or should I say it's more like all the empty chasing I used to do with civilians all those decades from 20's to early 50's, only now I have to pay for their lady drinks before striking out. (And I used to be more successful picking up civilians).

I can already anticipate the vitriolic responses I'll get from some old Cambodia hands who know the game inside and out (and some who can speak Khmer), but I have to assure these guys that it's anything but a fun fest for guys like me who want more variety of choices beyond the chaotic hostess clubs, avaricious Viets online, and a couple after hour clubs that would get old in a week.

PP may be a good scene for certain guys who gravitate toward certain types of places, or for those who have a longggggggg time to learn the PP game, but if you only have a short precious vacation to fill up your score card, you'the be taking a big risk spending it in the Cambodia capital, if love or something like it is what you mainly crave. Luckily, I have almost a month this time, so I cut my losses, jumped on a cheap flight to Suvarnabhumi, 75 minute taxi to Pattaya, and the beauteous routine of the late December Gulf of Thailand coast: sleep til 11, coffee on my balcony looking at the sea as I dick around on the internet and respond to the dozens of new offers I've gotten from girls on my mobile, 1 pm swim in my quiet clean pool in the sunshine, exploring the outskirts on my rental motorbike, napping and coffee at 5 as I make multiple evening dates, feasting on amazing Thai food for $2. 50 before deciding which of the numerous choices I'll pursue after dark: Go go bar? Walking Street? Soapy massage? Upstairs quicky on Soi 6? FL at live music bar / Coconut Bar beach / Thai Friendly? Milfy bar girl from beer bar? BBBJ at gentleman's club? Last night I wasn't even horny (having pounded a hot 25 year old to oblivion the previous night and yesterday morning), so I was just chilling with a beer at a quiet bar until some newly arrived bar girl in her ms santa's outfit caught my attention and drew me into Christmas eve / morning of rock them sock them all out fornication.

I'm in the same mood tonight, but I'm taking a set of Magnums and a vitamin V with me, knowing that unexpected evil lurks around every Pattaya corner.

Farewell PP. I wish all of your hostess bar mamasans a happy and prosperous 2023. I've redirected my hard earned thousands of $ from what would have gone into your coffers to the rebounding Thai economy. With much love from Pattaya!

[QUOTE=Volterra;2773817]
I can already anticipate the vitriolic responses I'll get from some old Cambodia hands who know the game inside and out (and some who can speak Khmer), but I have to assure these guys that it's anything but a fun fest for guys like me who want more variety of choices beyond the chaotic hostess clubs, avaricious Viets online, and a couple after hour clubs that would get old in a week.
[/QUOTE]I doubt you will get any vitriolic responses here. Your observations seem reasonable and accurate.

But can I add something about the Hostess Bars (not aimed at you)?

Not so long ago in mongering memory foreigners were paying $5 a throw, later $10 in their hotel rooms for many, many years.

I've seen comments from tourists (like Ed Sweeney mentioned previously) that they are going into HBs and buying lady drinks for anything between $4 and $8. One bar (Billionaire) was reported to be charging a $30 fee before a hostess would even sit with you. A visitor to Darlin' Darlin' reported that when he said Hello, to a girl sitting at the bar she snapped back at him 'You want speak, pay 20 dollar. MONEY NOW!

I have to ask, when punters are giving them money for nothing via lady drinks, bar fines, extra tips, not refusing to pay or even noticing when their bills are padded, why on earth would any of these women be prepared to engage in sexual activity with these guys? These places are clip joints.

When the first of them opened they were a novelty that attracted some. And admittedly they were quite different then, a bit like LE Cyrce style but with some decent looking women. However, it was the thin end of the wedge. As punters didn't seem to mind being overcharged or even cheated, the service attitudes only turned nastier. The more you give, the less you get. And while to many it was still 'cheaper than Thailand' it wasn't going to last. What everyone finally discovers, even those with the deepest pockets, is that they will eventually spoil the scene. Even for themselves.

It's said that middle-class tourists like to travel to unspoiled destinations. And spoil them. Substitute 'sex' for 'middle-class'.

These Hostess Bars are tuning into Incel Bars.

As to the Viets online and at clubs, they are almost entirely supported by their Chinese clientele. There are plenty of venues where you can pay $200-500 for an hour with Thais, Viets, even Koreans. Some with fancy rooms but the service will inevitably feel fake and clinical. You can have a lot more fun with a farm fresh 19 yo than an ageing professional with a nose and boob job and a photshopped portfolio on Facebook.

But TLDR. Phnom Penh is no longer an attractive P4 P destination, hasn't been for many years, and we know why.

Unfortunately this is the fate of all things good. When too many people know about the good things they become shit. The internet has just sped up its demise. This website does not help in the long run and also serves to ruin our playgrounds forever. But we cannot control what other people do with their money. To even suggest it seems to be taken badly by many on this site who retort with something along the lines of its my money and I will spend it how I damn well please. The only way to win is to just make more money at a faster rate than anyone else and then at the end when all these people have ruined things at least you can still afford the hobby and perhaps sadly say "I told you so".

[QUOTE=MeoDen;2774076]I doubt you will get any vitriolic responses here. Your observations seem reasonable and accurate.

But can I add something about the Hostess Bars (not aimed at you)?

Not so long ago in mongering memory foreigners were paying $5 a throw, later $10 in their hotel rooms for many, many years.

I've seen comments from tourists (like Ed Sweeney mentioned previously) that they are going into HBs and buying lady drinks for anything between $4 and $8. One bar (Billionaire) was reported to be charging a $30 fee before a hostess would even sit with you. A visitor to Darlin' Darlin' reported that when he said Hello, to a girl sitting at the bar she snapped back at him 'You want speak, pay 20 dollar. MONEY NOW!

I have to ask, when punters are giving them money for nothing via lady drinks, bar fines, extra tips, not refusing to pay or even noticing when their bills are padded, why on earth would any of these women be prepared to engage in sexual activity with these guys? These places are clip joints.

When the first of them opened they were a novelty that attracted some. And admittedly they were quite different then, a bit like LE Cyrce style but with some decent looking women. However, it was the thin end of the wedge. As punters didn't seem to mind being overcharged or even cheated, the service attitudes only turned nastier. The more you give, the less you get. And while to many it was still 'cheaper than Thailand' it wasn't going to last. What everyone finally discovers, even those with the deepest pockets, is that they will eventually spoil the scene. Even for themselves.

It's said that middle-class tourists like to travel to unspoiled destinations. And spoil them. Substitute 'sex' for 'middle-class'.

These Hostess Bars are tuning into Incel Bars.

As to the Viets online and at clubs, they are almost entirely supported by their Chinese clientele. There are plenty of venues where you can pay $200-500 for an hour with Thais, Viets, even Koreans. Some with fancy rooms but the service will inevitably feel fake and clinical. You can have a lot more fun with a farm fresh 19 yo than an ageing professional with a nose and boob job and a photshopped portfolio on Facebook.

But TLDR. Phnom Penh is no longer an attractive P4 P destination, hasn't been for many years, and we know why.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Volterra;2773817]
Farewell PP. I wish all of your hostess bar mamasans a happy and prosperous 2023. I've redirected my hard earned thousands of $ from what would have gone into your coffers to the rebounding Thai economy. With much love from Pattaya![/QUOTE]Very well stated. I had a positive experience in PP pre-pandemic which inspired my recent return- but I can unequivocally relate that at the moment the juice is not worth the squeeze. If you have a few days on a visa run, sure check it out- but only out of a sense of morbid curiosity. Do not plan a sex-trip with Phnom Penh as the centerpiece. Only exception would be if your dick no longer works and you just want to engage in mindless tedious conversation via google translate with young semi-literate rural Cambodian girls.

To Meo Den, Volterra, and RakSopheni, I am not here to argue with you guys. I loved PP from 2000 up to 2009. I met some great girls in Phnom and had amazing times with them. But sadly, PP has been going downhill since around October 2011 when the hostess bars were first raided by the local cops. It was nothing more than a shakedown, but after the bars reopened is when the BMD (buy me drink only) hostess girl phenomenon began. So, I was kind of happy when Darling Darlin first opened its doors because DD FL girls were better coiffed than the average hostess bar girls, I did not have to buy them drinks or pay a barfine, and every girl at DD was there for one reason and one reason only; to get picked up and shagged by a client. The only negative was the outrageous price, so my MO at the time (2014 to 2019) was to hit DD later at night and only if I struck out at the hostess bars earlier in the evening.

Anyway, my point is that there are several causes leading to the current situation and the demise of what was once only a few years ago one of my favorite destinations in Asia. I agree that the internet has been very detrimental. But the influx of noveau upper middle class NE Asians tourists is another major factor. And perhaps the most important factor of all is that our little playground was segregated from the beginning meaning our dens of iniquity were set apart from the places local Cambodian men went to have a good time.

I can only tell you guys that wherever there is no separation of locals from foreign visitors you will still find a vibrant and healthy nightlife scene. The local men keep the girls in line and prevent them from being spoiled. Of course, the destinations I am referring to do not have the same volume of tourists as Cambodia or Thailand. When large number of foreign mongers "invade" a country, they will inevitably begin to affect the local mongering scene and the foreigners will wear out their welcome fast.

I know you guys prefer BKK and or Pat over Phnom, but Thailand is going downhill too. Tell me I am wrong, I would love to hear that I am, but I have not been to LOS since 2019 and I keep postponing my return because, while Thailand was closed thanks to Covid, I found a better destination where the girls are unspoiled and where I can walk into any brothel or bordello and every girl in the place wants to show me a good time. My new preferred destination ain't cheap, but it is very, very good. Like the good old days in Phnom or BKK.

[QUOTE=AxelHeyst;2774195]Snip. I found a better destination where the girls are unspoiled and where I can walk into any brothel or bordello and every girl in the place wants to show me a good time. My new preferred destination ain't cheap, but it is very, very good. Like the good old days in Phnom or BKK.[/QUOTE]Care to tell us that destination?

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2774311]Care to tell us that destination?[/QUOTE]Did you read his post?

[QUOTE=Kazeu;2774164]Unfortunately this is the fate of all things good. When too many people know about the good things they become shit. The internet has just sped up its demise. This website does not help in the long run and also serves to ruin our playgrounds forever. But we cannot control what other people do with their money. To even suggest it seems to be taken badly by many on this site who retort with something along the lines of its my money and I will spend it how I damn well please. The only way to win is to just make more money at a faster rate than anyone else and then at the end when all these people have ruined things at least you can still afford the hobby and perhaps sadly say "I told you so".[/QUOTE]Of course it is both impolite and ineffective to tell people how they should spend their money.

But regarding 'just make more money at a faster rate', that doesn't work.

As distasteful as it is, the Realpolitik of the P4 P environment isn't about how much money the punters have, but how much the girls have.

When BJs are $500 it will be a question of whether you want to use two condoms or three.

And Financial Domination (FinDom) is a real thing. VolCels getting off on paying money for absolutely nothing other than to be abused.

[QUOTE=MeoDen;2774316]Of course it is both impolite and ineffective to tell people how they should spend their money.

But regarding 'just make more money at a faster rate', that doesn't work.

As distasteful as it is, the Realpolitik of the P4 P environment isn't about how much money the punters have, but how much the girls have.

When BJs are $500 it will be a question of whether you want to use two condoms or three.

And Financial Domination (FinDom) is a real thing. VolCels getting off on paying money for absolutely nothing other than to be abused.[/QUOTE]Gentlemen (Meo Den, Kazeu, Axel, RakSopheni), thanks and I'm in agreement. It's the typical 'gentrification' effect of the mongering community, and I also sense (though don't have the current deep knowledge of Cambodian society) that there are deeper social reasons, as Axel points to. My wider dismay and alarm (greedy and lust driven, FinDom style, I confess), is that I may be missing the chance to jump on the few remaining bargain boats just as I start to gather my retirement pennies and plan my post-career party.

It seems that covid may have accelerated the process for girls no longer accepting peanuts for sex (even if they don't have a lot of money) in many jurisdictions. And in any case, they are definitely not interested in blind, innocent service with a smile as we approach 2023. You're right, even though I'm in Thailand right now, these gogo girls are completely blank and disinterested. Even if getting sex is still easy and affordable, for the moment, it's just not the same fun as a couple decades ago. Last night, I just gave up after see more hot girls barely moving and yawning on the dance stage. And the freaking tourist guys were like an alien invasion movie. Look, I'm one too, but I just can't account for the ape-like approach these guys have (and they look like glorified chimpanzees, I must say, LOL).

Better enjoy the last bastions while we can! Unless, by some divine intervention, there are new low-cost pleasure centres waiting to show themselves in the 2020's! Thrust ho!

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2774311]Care to tell us that destination?[/QUOTE]He's not mentioning it in the post but I guess he's talking about San Paolo in Brazil.

[QUOTE=AxelHeyst;2774195]
I know you guys prefer BKK and or Pat over Phnom, but Thailand is going downhill too. Tell me I am wrong, I would love to hear that I am, but I have not been to LOS since 2019 and I keep postponing my return because, while Thailand was closed thanks to Covid, I found a better destination where the girls are unspoiled and where I can walk into any brothel or bordello and every girl in the place wants to show me a good time. My new preferred destination ain't cheap, but it is very, very good. Like the good old days in Phnom or BKK.[/QUOTE]There are a few broader trends that can be laid over the granular observations of changes on the ground- I think the most profound of which is the rise of local economies in the Asian region. For example, a trip to Angeles City in the Philippines will reveal a scene that has become completely dominated by Korean clientele, and one can see the handwriting on the wall that the Chinese monger in Cambodia, and the Indian monger in Thailand are ascendant and will gradually come to dominate those cities as the Koreans now do in Angeles.

Aside from the obvious marginalization of the Western customer base, this change brings with it a different attitude towards the hobby which is evident in the posts below. The Western monger comes alone, looking primarily for sex. Asian mongers (Chinese, Koreans, Indians, Japanese) operate in small groups of men (3-4) and the primary goal of the evening is fraternization and the strengthening of business ties with the second goal being sexual gratification. The "hostess" bar lends itself to this conceptualization, and we see a broader trend towards drink buying in all markets as the primary earning strategy as this customer base gains clout. Enter the Drink Queen.

To state the obvious- with China now re-opening, Phnom Penh will be swept clean of the Western monger and the scene will come to be dominated entirely by Chinese tastes and attitudes and business catering to this customer. Pattaya might hold out a bit longer as the Indian economy is still gathering strength and not as developed- but the trend is clear.

What then Western Monger? Whence shall ye roam? Axel Heyst whispers tantalizingly of an alternative- a last redoubt for the Horny Western man- which I believe to be Brazil. I concur with the implications of his post- that in Brazil the primary market remains the local man, and so the scene remains healthy and robust with or without infusions of cash from the foreign Hobbyist. I only hope Rio does not become overrun with Westerners as Colombia has and is able to retain its charm- but let's be realistic.

For a few more years at least Pattaya will remain viable, but let's be realistic about where this is all headed.

[QUOTE=RakSopheni;2774540]There are a few broader trends that can be laid over the granular observations of changes on the ground- I think the most profound of which is the rise of local economies in the Asian region. For example, a trip to Angeles City in the Philippines will reveal a scene that has become completely dominated by Korean clientele, and one can see the handwriting on the wall that the Chinese monger in Cambodia, and the Indian monger in Thailand are ascendant and will gradually come to dominate those cities as the Koreans now do in Angeles.

Aside from the obvious marginalization of the Western customer base, this change brings with it a different attitude towards the hobby which is evident in the posts below. The Western monger comes alone, looking primarily for sex. Asian mongers (Chinese, Koreans, Indians, Japanese) operate in small groups of men (3-4) and the primary goal of the evening is fraternization and the strengthening of business ties with the second goal being sexual gratification. The "hostess" bar lends itself to this conceptualization, and we see a broader trend towards drink buying in all markets as the primary earning strategy as this customer base gains clout. Enter the Drink Queen.

To state the obvious- with China now re-opening, Phnom Penh will be swept clean of the Western monger and the scene will come to be dominated entirely by Chinese tastes and attitudes and business catering to this customer. Pattaya might hold out a bit longer as the Indian economy is still gathering strength and not as developed- but the trend is clear.

What then Western Monger? Whence shall ye roam? Axel Heyst whispers tantalizingly of an alternative- a last redoubt for the Horny Western man- which I believe to be Brazil. I concur with the implications of his post- that in Brazil the primary market remains the local man, and so the scene remains healthy and robust with or without infusions of cash from the foreign Hobbyist. I only hope Rio does not become overrun with Westerners as Colombia has and is able to retain its charm- but let's be realistic.

For a few more years at least Pattaya will remain viable, but let's be realistic about where this is all headed.[/QUOTE]China's reopening will take time. While the recent announcement gives hope for a return to pre-covid times, what eventually happens is yet to be determined. What the Chinese government says and what it actually does is often at odds with each other. The average Chinese business man lost money during the pandemic like most business men everywhere. Still there are a lot of government officials in China that made fortunes during the pandemic and the question is will they be allowed to travel freely.

As for other areas you mentioned. Thailand and Philippines both have areas outside Angeles City and Pattaya where the monger can go and have success. I was recently in Hua Hin in Thailand and had a good time.

I agree that over time, including the reintroduction of the Chinese plague, that the scene will continue to alienate the western monger but as mentioned earlier, there is a whole scene in Cambodia that caters to locals and very few westerns ever get to experience it. Some of the high rollers that have millions and like to show off may be spending 200 bucks for a girl, but if you think the average Cambodia male is paying that, think again. Can we please roll the clock back around 20 years? Pretty please?

I agree that over time, including the reintroduction of the Chinese plague, that the scene will continue to alienate the western monger but as mentioned earlier, there is a whole scene in Cambodia that caters to locals and very few westerns ever get to experience it. Some of the high rollers that have millions and like to show off may be spending 200 bucks for a girl, but if you think the average Cambodia male is paying that, think again. Can we please roll the clock back around 20 years? Pretty please?

[QUOTE=RakSopheni;2774540]What then Western Monger? Whence shall ye roam? Axel Heyst whispers tantalizingly of an alternative- a last redoubt for the Horny Western man- which I believe to be Brazil. I concur with the implications of his post- that in Brazil the primary market remains the local man, and so the scene remains healthy and robust with or without infusions of cash from the foreign Hobbyist. I only hope Rio does not become overrun with Westerners as Colombia has and is able to retain its charm- but let's be realistic.[/QUOTE]It's too late bro! The cat has long been out of the bag regarding the delights of Brazil. If there's any consolation for the Western monger, it is that Brazil (and Latin America as a whole) shall remain within his sphere of control since the Koreans and the Chinese are not about to be arriving in droves anytime soon. Why, for many of them (Asians) Brazil is literally on the other side of the world! I as a monger cede Asia to the Asian then, but I stand ready to defend my backyard territory. Besides, I'm not attracted to most Asian women anyway hehehe! Give me the white girls and the Latinas LOL!

[QUOTE=Thehedonist;2774432]He's not mentioning it in the post but I guess he's talking about San Paolo in Brazil.[/QUOTE]Yes, he confirmed he was talking about Rio and Sao Paulo.

So sad to hear all this negativity. Having just returned from a multi-week sex romp through PP, Siem Reap, BKK, Patt, and Phuket, allow me to post a counterpoint.

Maybe I'm a little different than most here. I don't have months and years to live in these places as an expat, which is why I rarely post. But when I go, I do my research and make it count. This site is a big part of that research, BTW, so I want to give back a little. Just so you know where I'm coming from, I'm supremely picky. I'm looking for 9's and 10's, and would rather go home alone than accept anything less than an 8 in the looks department. But I also want the whole package. I've zeroed in on a looker, only to abandon plans if she didn't seem too into me (or at least acted like she was). If the enthusiasm isn't there at the bar, it won't get any better in bed. With that in mind, I had no problems finding 9 ladies, all good experiences. Limited mostly by tiring myself out with other activities rather than lack of choice (because I'm not just there for the sex). Ok, I guess if you count the two-girl threesome in PP, I guess it's only 8 encounters. Haha. But still.

I'm also not cheap. I don't quibble over a few dollars, and I don't mind paying premium for a premium experience. But I also always make an effort to bargain. Since about 95% of the providers frankly don't interest me, the ones who do tend to make high initial offers. Are they making a high offer because they know they can command a premium, or are they just throwing that out there to signal that they're not that interested in going home with me? The way to find out is if they signal a willingness to make a deal and counteroffer, or if they stick to their guns. If it's the latter, then I'm probably dealing with someone who'd rather do something else than go home with me, and the limited hours of my night are better spent looking elsewhere than continuing buying her drinks.

With all that in mind, of all the places I went.

Least productive: SR. There is some talent, if you can call it that. But very few, and nothing that meet my criteria. Didn't take the tuk tuk drivers up on their chicken farm offers, because usually that kind of thing turns into a wild goose chase. I saw some at the corner bars off Pub Street who I could easily have joined, but. Nah. Still, SR was magical. Especially now, without all the crowds. Everything is open but no crowds at all. Angkor is Zen-like, as it should be. Spent 5 days there and loved every minute. Just not a great place for P4 P.

Most choice: Well, BKK, hands down. I mean, nothing compares with just the sheer choice, sheer volume of opportunity. I don't care what anyone says. If you can't find what you're looking for in BKK, then there's no pleasing you.

But of all the places I went, it's the PP girls I still fantasize about. They're not nearly as jaded as the BKK girls, and what they lack in experience and menu of kinks on offer, they more than make up for in enthusiasm. Frankly, I don't ask them to do anything unsafe anyway, because I think that's just dumb. I just want as GFE-like an experience, while still being safe. And tbh, I think Khmer girls are just better looking than Thai overall. But that's a personal preference I suppose.

Didn't need to venture out to Darlin Darlin or any nightclubs. I did walk to Cyrcee once, and didn't find anything interesting, so I walked back. Everything I wanted was right there on Streets 136 and 130. Right now the girl-guy ratio in PP is 10:1 or better, so if you want a 10/10, she's there, waiting for you. I quickly learned I need not be shy about going in to take a look at the goings on inside the bars, and walking right out if nothing interested me, rather than wasting my time. Frankly, most of the talent on offer is outside the bar -literally legions of them meowing their "hellos" at every passing guy. Of which there are so, so few right now, compared to BKK or Patt. And we're talking Friday, Saturday night.

Maybe it's rude to go in and look, and walk out without buying a drink, but whatever, I'm the customer. They know what they're here for and what I'm here for, so it's not the time to be shy. The only time it's really needed to go into a bar, is if you see someone outside and decide you want to get to know her over a drink. Better yet, sit outside so you can hear yourselves talk.

I will say this much. There is a best time, and it seems to be just after dinner, but not too late. You want things to get going, and the girls are usually having some dinner themselves early on. You don't want them to be hangry, because even bar girls need a break, right? At the same time, if you don't want to settle for just any warm body, the best of the lookers may be taken by later in the night. That's also why I'm a little skeptical of the strategy of going to the clubs later if you strike out. I mean, by then, you're also getting ladies who've struck out. Maybe I'm totally wrong and you get a whole different crowd. After all, I didn't venture that far. But it's hard to imagine how I could have improved on my choices from the hostess bars.

As far as where to stay, just look no further than S&M, one of the best run hotels around. Great rooms, awesome pool, decent breakfast. And why deal with tuk tuks and waste precious hunting time going far away, when S&M is just steps away from guy heaven? Be warned though, they will be sticklers for ID's. The aforementioned two-girl experience had to be moved off-site, because they had fake IDs and the hotel wouldn't budge on their policy. The place turned out to be a $10 flophouse a few doors down (they explained it's usually $5, but $10 because I'm bringing 2 girls). Turned out for the better, as one of them was on her period (yikes!) and wound up making a mess on the bed. I am so glad it wasn't my bed! But both of them were beautiful. One was 8/10 (the one on her period), the other was just 10/10. I mean drop dead gorgeous. The first one was the only one who spoke any English though, and she negotiated the whole deal.

I really didn't encounter the whole phenomenon of girls who just sling lady drinks and don't go with customers. Everyone I met was more than ready. Frankly I didn't see a whole lot of Asian guys, so if they're waiting for the Korean that's going to pay $300 for ST, good luck nabbing him. There's literally hundreds of girls on Street 136, and maybe a couple of those golden geese will come by on any given night. The closest I came to encountering that attitude was a beauty who looked all of 18, if that, but was 23 according to her ID. She spoke decent English, university educated, and gave me the line that she rarely goes with customers, but I think she was just trying to raise her perceived value. I do think she doesn't go with all customers -bar girls can be picky too. She turned out to be the gentlest, most amazing GFE experience I had on the whole trip.

Costs: the least I paid was $50, the most was $80. All ST. Average about $60. Did I overpay? Yeah, probably a little. But so worth it.

[QUOTE=BRCitizen;2774670]So sad to hear all this negativity. Having just returned from a multi-week sex romp through PP, Siem Reap, BKK, Patt, and Phuket, allow me to post a counterpoint.

Costs: the least I paid was $50, the most was $80. All ST. Average about $60. Did I overpay? Yeah, probably a little. But so worth it.[/QUOTE]Good post and congratulations on successfully navigating the scene.

I think perhaps the best part of your strategy was only focusing on exactly what you wanted. Those prices you paid look fair for GFEs with 10's; they would only be bad value if the women were unfriendly or unattractive. We have to allow for the fact that women who are younger, clearly prettier and just sweeter than the vast majority will know that they can command more.

But that is exactly the problem. We know it and the 10's know it, but the hardcore old slappers with aggressive attitudes don't always accept it. It's when they want the same (often unionised by the mama-sans) that punters start asking, Is this good value? Or bemused, they walk away.

You make a good point about how when women won't negotiate that they are quoting a fuck-off price. And it's always better to move on. Tell them what you pay before they can mention prices. Let them know your budget. It's called anchoring.

[QUOTE=MeoDen;2774711]Good post and congratulations on successfully navigating the scene.
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But that is exactly the problem. We know it and the 10's know it, but the hardcore old slappers with aggressive attitudes don't always accept it. It's when they want the same (often unionised by the mama-sans) that punters start asking, Is this good value? Or bemused, they walk away.

[/QUOTE]Thank you. And of course the other part of the equation that some guys forget, is the customer. Okay, so it's a service industry, and they're there to make some money. But it's not all about money. As anyone who worked in the service industry can tell you, some clients are just pleasant to work with, and that's when you really like your job. Other clients are difficult, ornery, or just plain gross, and you'd rather not see them for any kind of money.

I try my best to be the first kind. You can't change your face or how old you are. But you can shower, shave, smile more, wear decent pants and shirt instead of cargo shorts. Just show like you're putting a little effort into the whole thing. Without looking too rich. There's a balance to be had.

[QUOTE=BRCitizen;2774670]So sad to hear all this negativity. Having just returned from a multi-week sex romp through PP, Siem Reap, BKK, Patt, and Phuket, allow me to post a counterpoint.

Maybe I'm a little different than most here. I don't have months and years to live in these places as an expat, which is why I rarely post. But when I go, I do my research and make it count. This site is a big part of that research, BTW, so I want to give back a little. Just so you know where I'm coming from, I'm supremely picky. I'm looking for 9's and 10's, and would rather go home alone than accept anything less than an 8 in the looks department. But I also want the whole package. I've zeroed in on a looker, only to abandon plans if she didn't seem too into me (or at least acted like she was). If the enthusiasm isn't there at the bar, it won't get any better in bed. With that in mind, I had no problems finding 9 ladies, all good experiences. Limited mostly by tiring myself out with other activities rather than lack of choice (because I'm not just there for the sex). Ok, I guess if you count the two-girl threesome in PP, I guess it's only 8 encounters. Haha. But still.

I'm also not cheap. I don't quibble over a few dollars, and I don't mind paying premium for a premium experience. But I also always make an effort to bargain. Since about 95% of the providers frankly don't interest me, the ones who do tend to make high initial offers. Are they making a high offer because they know they can command a premium, or are they just throwing that out there to signal that they're not that interested in going home with me? The way to find out is if they signal a willingness to make a deal and counteroffer, or if they stick to their guns. If it's the latter, then I'm probably dealing with someone who'd rather do something else than go home with me, and the limited hours of my night are better spent looking elsewhere than continuing buying her drinks.

With all that in mind, of all the places I went.

Least productive: SR. There is some talent, if you can call it that. But very few, and nothing that meet my criteria. Didn't take the tuk tuk drivers up on their chicken farm offers, because usually that kind of thing turns into a wild goose chase. I saw some at the corner bars off Pub Street who I could easily have joined, but. Nah. Still, SR was magical. Especially now, without all the crowds. Everything is open but no crowds at all. Angkor is Zen-like, as it should be. Spent 5 days there and loved every minute. Just not a great place for P4 P.

Most choice: Well, BKK, hands down. I mean, nothing compares with just the sheer choice, sheer volume of opportunity. I don't care what anyone says. If you can't find what you're looking for in BKK, then there's no pleasing you.

But of all the places I went, it's the PP girls I still fantasize about. They're not nearly as jaded as the BKK girls, and what they lack in experience and menu of kinks on offer, they more than make up for in enthusiasm. Frankly, I don't ask them to do anything unsafe anyway, because I think that's just dumb. I just want as GFE-like an experience, while still being safe. And tbh, I think Khmer girls are just better looking than Thai overall. But that's a personal preference I suppose.

Didn't need to venture out to Darlin Darlin or any nightclubs. I did walk to Cyrcee once, and didn't find anything interesting, so I walked back. Everything I wanted was right there on Streets 136 and 130. Right now the girl-guy ratio in PP is 10:1 or better, so if you want a 10/10, she's there, waiting for you. I quickly learned I need not be shy about going in to take a look at the goings on inside the bars, and walking right out if nothing interested me, rather than wasting my time. Frankly, most of the talent on offer is outside the bar -literally legions of them meowing their "hellos" at every passing guy. Of which there are so, so few right now, compared to BKK or Patt. And we're talking Friday, Saturday night.

Maybe it's rude to go in and look, and walk out without buying a drink, but whatever, I'm the customer. They know what they're here for and what I'm here for, so it's not the time to be shy. The only time it's really needed to go into a bar, is if you see someone outside and decide you want to get to know her over a drink. Better yet, sit outside so you can hear yourselves talk.

I will say this much. There is a best time, and it seems to be just after dinner, but not too late. You want things to get going, and the girls are usually having some dinner themselves early on. You don't want them to be hangry, because even bar girls need a break, right? At the same time, if you don't want to settle for just any warm body, the best of the lookers may be taken by later in the night. That's also why I'm a little skeptical of the strategy of going to the clubs later if you strike out. I mean, by then, you're also getting ladies who've struck out. Maybe I'm totally wrong and you get a whole different crowd. After all, I didn't venture that far. But it's hard to imagine how I could have improved on my choices from the hostess bars.

As far as where to stay, just look no further than S&M, one of the best run hotels around. Great rooms, awesome pool, decent breakfast. And why deal with tuk tuks and waste precious hunting time going far away, when S&M is just steps away from guy heaven? Be warned though, they will be sticklers for ID's. The aforementioned two-girl experience had to be moved off-site, because they had fake IDs and the hotel wouldn't budge on their policy. The place turned out to be a $10 flophouse a few doors down (they explained it's usually $5, but $10 because I'm bringing 2 girls). Turned out for the better, as one of them was on her period (yikes!) and wound up making a mess on the bed. I am so glad it wasn't my bed! But both of them were beautiful. One was 8/10 (the one on her period), the other was just 10/10. I mean drop dead gorgeous. The first one was the only one who spoke any English though, and she negotiated the whole deal.

I really didn't encounter the whole phenomenon of girls who just sling lady drinks and don't go with customers. Everyone I met was more than ready. Frankly I didn't see a whole lot of Asian guys, so if they're waiting for the Korean that's going to pay $300 for ST, good luck nabbing him. There's literally hundreds of girls on Street 136, and maybe a couple of those golden geese will come by on any given night. The closest I came to encountering that attitude was a beauty who looked all of 18, if that, but was 23 according to her ID. She spoke decent English, university educated, and gave me the line that she rarely goes with customers, but I think she was just trying to raise her perceived value. I do think she doesn't go with all customers -bar girls can be picky too. She turned out to be the gentlest, most amazing GFE experience I had on the whole trip.

Costs: the least I paid was $50, the most was $80. All ST. Average about $60. Did I overpay? Yeah, probably a little. But so worth it.[/QUOTE]First I agree with you! I would much rather spend my time and d0 llars on a pleasant, fun, girl, than bargaining with hard core bar girls no matter what her "skill" level happens to be. That said, my one and only PP experience, (so far), was during a semi business type where I went with some Korean friends. My go to experience is in the KTV's where you can have fun, drink a bit, play and get to know your choice or choices for the night. Yes it is more expensive than just getting a quickie off the street but I don't travel on a budget and don't think I have the mind set to negotiate pussy prices with a bar girl. This may have been ok when I was in my 20's and all I cared about was getting my tool wet, (note that I lived in BKK for one year then). I don't go KTV alone and most of my experience, for the past 20 years, has been in China. However Xi and his crackdowns have put some of the venues out of business but still available if you are known or have friends as your guide. A few of us on this forum still remember the "good old days", in ChangPing or ChangAn.

I agree that PP is a good place to hang out. BKK may be more reliable, but PP is poorer, younger, slimmer (food costs), and the birds, even the stunners, have less choices. 136 street and surroundings are considered Western tourist territory. Don't be surprised to see few Asians. At the KTV there are more Asians. Cambodia's average age is 25 years. Plenty of 18 year olds come to PP, sleep in a joint dormitory / apartment with 10 other birds, and try their adventurous streak by sitting in a bar. I saw many young petite top lookers who called themselves originals (virgins) who don't go with men. That group exists. But I am sporty, lean, not young, not stingy and patient, don't drink, dress casually but in new, fresh outfits, and keep talking to them, and more times than not even the youngest and prettiest birds consented to going with me to my hotel room. Service levels vary, but to me half the fun is giving, is making the teenage girls cum after giving a good hot towel massage and using my tongue on hir vagina. Most girls can be wooed by patient carresses and loving touches. In PP condoms are optional. I salute the mate's caution, but I like it better without, especially given the low likelihood of an 18 year old cambodian girl to give me health problems is rather low. The best way to proceed is when a girl insists on a condom and you are lucky it breaks in her little womb. I have had this happen several times and the feeling was awesome. I made it last for as long as I could (did not CIP). Another way to proceed in PP is to find a tuk tuk driver who speaks good English. The better his English, the safer. He will drive you around town for 10 $ for an hour and show you the local brothels where Cambodian men go (take no credit cards with you, just have 100 $ ready in cash). Most of these girls are below my standards, but every once in a while you find a gem, a petite slim 18 or 19 year old who works in a sneaker factory and who needs some extra cash. You can tell the taxi driver exactly what you want from her and he will make sure the brothel owner knows and makes sure the girl knows what she must offer. In this setup the brothel owner, the taxi driver and the girl all earn, it cost me 80 US $ for 3 h, which is high for PP, but there is more commitment by the girl, for the taxi driver will propose a repeat the next day, he will check whether the girl was good with all that was promised and the girl knows the brothel owner can sanction her if not. I had some lovely young stunner GFE experiences this way where the girls did and allowed literally everything a man can ask for. And they also liked it very much.

Thank you Philosophus and BR Citizen! Great Reports.

[QUOTE=Philosophus;2775161]Another way to proceed in PP is to find a tuk tuk driver who speaks good English. The better his English, the safer. He will drive you around town for 10 $ for an hour and show you the local brothels where Cambodian men go (take no credit cards with you, just have 100 $ ready in cash). Most of these girls are below my standards, but every once in a while you find a gem, a petite slim 18 or 19 year old who works in a sneaker factory and who needs some extra cash. You can tell the taxi driver exactly what you want from her and he will make sure the brothel owner knows and makes sure the girl knows what she must offer. In this setup the brothel owner, the taxi driver and the girl all earn, it cost me 80 US $ for 3 h, which is high for PP, but there is more commitment by the girl, for the taxi driver will propose a repeat the next day, he will check whether the girl was good with all that was promised and the girl knows the brothel owner can sanction her if not. I had some lovely young stunner GFE experiences this way where the girls did and allowed literally everything a man can ask for. And they also liked it very much.[/QUOTE]Interesting idea- I've heard about the local brothels before but never located them. I was also advised not to enlist tuktuk drivers and find the spots myself on a moto as the tuktuk driver could make trouble or overcharge.

I'm assuming the deed was done on site? What percentage of ladies did you have to wade through before you found something to your standards?

[QUOTE=Philosophus;2775161]I agree that PP is a good place to hang out. BKK may be more reliable, but PP is poorer, younger, slimmer (food costs), and the birds, even the stunners, have less choices. 136 street and surroundings are considered Western tourist territory. Don't be surprised to see few Asians. At the KTV there are more Asians. Cambodia's average age is 25 years. Plenty of 18 year olds come to PP, sleep in a joint dormitory / apartment with 10 other birds, and try their adventurous streak by sitting in a bar. I saw many young petite top lookers who called themselves originals (virgins) who don't go with men. That group exists. But I am sporty, lean, not young, not stingy and patient, don't drink, dress casually but in new, fresh outfits, and keep talking to them, and more times than not even the youngest and prettiest birds consented to going with me to my hotel room. Service levels vary, but to me half the fun is giving, is making the teenage girls cum after giving a good hot towel massage and using my tongue on hir vagina. Most girls can be wooed by patient carresses and loving touches. In PP condoms are optional. I salute the mate's caution, but I like it better without, especially given the low likelihood of an 18 year old cambodian girl to give me health problems is rather low. The best way to proceed is when a girl insists on a condom and you are lucky it breaks in her little womb. I have had this happen several times and the feeling was awesome. I made it last for as long as I could (did not CIP). Another way to proceed in PP is to find a tuk tuk driver who speaks good English. The better his English, the safer. He will drive you around town for 10 $ for an hour and show you the local brothels where Cambodian men go (take no credit cards with you, just have 100 $ ready in cash). Most of these girls are below my standards, but every once in a while you find a gem, a petite slim 18 or 19 year old who works in a sneaker factory and who needs some extra cash. You can tell the taxi driver exactly what you want from her and he will make sure the brothel owner knows and makes sure the girl knows what she must offer. In this setup the brothel owner, the taxi driver and the girl all earn, it cost me 80 US $ for 3 h, which is high for PP, but there is more commitment by the girl, for the taxi driver will propose a repeat the next day, he will check whether the girl was good with all that was promised and the girl knows the brothel owner can sanction her if not. I had some lovely young stunner GFE experiences this way where the girls did and allowed literally everything a man can ask for. And they also liked it very much.[/QUOTE]So you paid 70 $ for a shag at a local brothel?

[QUOTE=Muzungufotsy;2775532]So you paid 70 $ for a shag at a local brothel?[/QUOTE]I'm thinking they were serving "cheese pizza", hence the mark up.

Incl. Tuktuk driver fee I paid more to the tune of 90 US $ for a 3 h stint with a girl from a brothel off 136 street. I had her several times. The number of brothels we "visited" was 12 or so. They were all open air, open shed, or on motoped / tuk tuk. They were all pretty run down, and none of the young birds met my criteria except one, a 19 yo 5 ft. 75 lb small tit spinner with shapely feet, hands and long hair and a pretty face. She had had a boyfriend and was experienced and easy with having sex. I asked the driver for a small slim girl who is ok with not using a condom and after a long, interesting tuk tuk tour he found her. She worked at a sneaker factory for 130 US $ a month in a 40 h workweek. I asked her why she would not sit in a bar at 136 street. She answered she was no good at conversing in English and at marketing herself. She was a sweet gal. Not shy. Showered together, braided her hair for me, shaved her pussy completely upon request, yam yam, boom boom, cuni, cif, rimming and penetration anywhere. She came naturally various times and seemed to enjoy her Western debut experience. 3 h time in one of the best hotel rooms near the river with balcony etc. Impressed her. We went for dinner each time after sex. Hunting at 136 street takes also effort, no question. To throw a good party in a bar sets you back 50 bucks. But if your manner is nice and if you have game and look nice (I am too old to be considered "handsome", but I am authetic I guess), the few pretty ones will get interested, especially if you try several nights. Always a good idea to let the mama san know who you need so she can help motivate her to take the plunge. I had a girl of similar looks (5 ft3, no fat no tit stunner) who was more into herself and her beauty and her purity, much less willing to give during sex play, but surely impressable and orgasmic a few times, easily the prettiest girl in the bar and then some, but there were surely 5 birds of equal quality in the river bars, but I could not get them to give in or did not try for lack of time. So, yes, I chose among the 1 in 200 and the 5 in 500. Takes effort.

[QUOTE=RakSopheni;2775714]I'm thinking they were serving "cheese pizza", hence the mark up.[/QUOTE]Must be a giant pizza.

Anyone know where any of the girls who worked at Same Same But Different bar on Street 110 are working? It was near those Korean / Japanese bars on 110.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2774563]It's too late bro! The cat has long been out of the bag regarding the delights of Brazil. If there's any consolation for the Western monger, it is that Brazil (and Latin America as a whole) shall remain within his sphere of control since the Koreans and the Chinese are not about to be arriving in droves anytime soon. Why, for many of them (Asians) Brazil is literally on the other side of the world! I as a monger cede Asia to the Asian then, but I stand ready to defend my backyard territory. Besides, I'm not attracted to most Asian women anyway hehehe! Give me the white girls and the Latinas LOL![/QUOTE]No need to cede anything to anyone IMO and my experience in Asia (prob 200 bargirls) the westerner is typically really going to be preferred 9 out of 10 times.

Unless I figure you're a fat slobbering drunk like our YTube friend "fast Eddie".

They really prefer us, there's a very good reason a certain crowd needs to overpay them.

The other 1 out of 10 times she is a shark waiting for her prey, you know who she's waiting for, just move on.

Thanks for the post.

Would anyone know of an app that you can use to order a Mercedes BMW or Porsche SUV Uber like service espec to and from the airport?

Yes I know PP is not NYC but I read on some travel forum some guy was using a service that only used Lexus SUVs so why not German SUVs?

Much of Asia loves German cars.

M de Sade, your PM inbox is full.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2777423]some guy was using a service that only used Lexus SUVs so why not German SUVs?[/QUOTE]PP is the place where it seems that all old Lexus SUVs go to die. They are everywhere! Drive by an used car dealership and you will see a ton of Lexus SUVs for sale. I took one of those Lexus SUVs to Sihanoukville once. The Lexus SUV must have been older than the bartender I took!

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2779458]PP is the place where it seems that all old Lexus SUVs go to die. They are everywhere! ...[/QUOTE]Indeed there are a lot of them. Lexus is a luxury brand made by Toyota. There are a lot of Toyota models in Cambo also. A couple of reasons: 1. Toyota makes products that are reliable for many years, kilometers / miles; 2. I've read that Japanese car owners keep a car for only about 5 years before getting a new one. So there are plenty being exported from Japan, which is a lot closer than from the USA (For sure, there are companies in Japan that specialize in exporting used vehicles.) The Cambodians are experts at making older cars look almost new. A Khmer friend of mine bought a Lexus SUV a few years ago that had been imported from the USA With the VIN number, I did a check on the car. It had an excellent service record and no indication that it had been in an accident. Folks who buy a Lexus likely have the $ to maintain same.

SS.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2781888]I guess someone like you would say something like this

For those that have been around the world mongering I can state unequivocally asian putas are the most "selective".

Maybe you should stick to fucking your dirt poor black favela putas in the ass in Brasil.

[/QUOTE]While I'd also say Brazil is old news as dudes that would go to Rio stoped going after Help closed. I've been around the world and I'd say white chicks are the most selective I live in Pattaya those chicks fuck anybody. You may be thinking what about the chicks in Angeles city for example that only fuck Koreans they are doing that because Koreans pay over the going rate if a white dude lets say were to offer the Korean price she would fuck him. As far as the fucking black fevela putas in the ass do you think your doing something by fucking dirt poor Asian working girls in the ass in Asia.

[QUOTE=TravelingMan3;2782160]I've been around the world and I'd say white chicks are the most selective.[/QUOTE]And I like to fuck the most selective chicks. In the ass! But note that what you said about guys going to Brazil (stopped going after Help closed) is 100% not true. Help was such a small part of the overall scene! It's a huge country that's always had lots and lots of options beyond Help (which I never liked). I mean, you can't be paying attention to the threads on this site to even utter something like that. Things are alive and well in Brazil, especially now that the worst of the pandemic is over and the world is in recovery from that. Believe this!

[QUOTE=TheCane;2782259]But note that what you said about guys going to Brazil (stopped going after Help closed) is 100% not true. Help was such a small part of the overall scene! It's a huge country that's always had lots and lots of options beyond Help (which I never liked). I mean, you can't be paying attention to the threads on this site to even utter something like that.[/QUOTE]Yea brother I just meant that Brazil ain't nothing new that was the spot like twenty years ago Patrica Oneal and Jim Norton talked about it back in the day of Opie and Anthony. I'm an ex Sosua guy and a lot of the guys that would be in Rio started going to Sosua when Help closed.

[QUOTE=Philosophus;2775766]Incl. Tuktuk driver fee I paid more to the tune of 90 US $ for a 3 h stint with a girl from a brothel off 136 street. I had her several times. The number of brothels we "visited" was 12 or so. They were all open air, open shed, or on motoped / tuk tuk. They were all pretty run down, and none of the young birds met my criteria except one, a 19 yo 5 ft. 75 lb small tit spinner with shapely feet, hands and long hair and a pretty face. She had had a boyfriend and was experienced and easy with having sex. I asked the driver for a small slim girl who is ok with not using a condom and after a long, interesting tuk tuk tour he found her. She worked at a sneaker factory for 130 US $ a month in a 40 h workweek. I asked her why she would not sit in a bar at 136 street. She answered she was no good at conversing in English and at marketing herself. She was a sweet gal. Not shy. Showered together, braided her hair for me, shaved her pussy completely upon request, yam yam, boom boom, cuni, cif, rimming and penetration anywhere. She came naturally various times and seemed to enjoy her Western debut experience. 3 h time in one of the best hotel rooms near the river with balcony etc. Impressed her. We went for dinner each time after sex. Hunting at 136 street takes also effort, no question. To throw a good party in a bar sets you back 50 bucks. But if your manner is nice and if you have game and look nice (I am too old to be considered "handsome", but I am authetic I guess), the few pretty ones will get interested, especially if you try several nights. Always a good idea to let the mama san know who you need so she can help motivate her to take the plunge. I had a girl of similar looks (5 ft3, no fat no tit stunner) who was more into herself and her beauty and her purity, much less willing to give during sex play, but surely impressable and orgasmic a few times, easily the prettiest girl in the bar and then some, but there were surely 5 birds of equal quality in the river bars, but I could not get them to give in or did not try for lack of time. So, yes, I chose among the 1 in 200 and the 5 in 500. Takes effort.[/QUOTE]I have no idea how you (Philosophus) and BrCitizen had such great experiences there, except, as you mention, for putting tons of effort with tons of patience, tons of time, and probably tons of drink money spent over many nights. I could see that there must have been some guys getting it right in PP, but they / you must be of a certain breed. I am also well groomed, not hideous looking, and not stingy in the sense that I was also ready and willing to part with $60-90 easily for the higher quality birds. But no way I am going to throw an extra $50 for drinks to groups of girls at the bar. I saw a couple of dudes (maybe it was you LOL) doing that. It just takes too much work for the short stayer.

I would like to hear more from BrCitizen about his approach. I can only believe that the devil is in the details and you must have picked up on something that a lot of guys like me overlook in PP. And in terms of girl quality, I just didn't see that many that I thought were hot. Maybe things would look better and go more smoothly on a 2nd trip, but I would only do it if I have a longer time to build my MO.

PP is a puzzle to me. Clearly guys like RakSopheni and myself are fuming in frustration over it (even after my own continuous roaring in Pattaya / Bkk / AC over the past 2 months). I am going to keep reading this forum to see if I can see anything between the lines that starts to suggest opportunity.

[QUOTE=Volterra;2785987]I have no idea how you (Philosophus) and BrCitizen had such great experiences there, except, as you mention, for putting tons of effort with tons of patience, tons of time, and probably tons of drink money spent over many nights.[/QUOTE]I cannot compare PP to BKK, really. I think BKK is the safer bet. But PP is poorer, younger, slimmer, more petite, more desperate. Girls are more curious in PP, and less papmpered, have less income security and appreciate their clients more. I am glad the mate who took a 33 why old had a good time, but it is like taking a 52 y old in UK, as Cambodia's average age is 25. Patience helps, and the 50 dollar bill is spent easily. But what is the point not investing in the experience if the flight sets you back 1500 or so bucks? Khmer culture is tolerant of sex, but girls need to mature somewhat to gain experience with a cambodian BF to start to enjoy the company of a paying lover 30 years her senior. I had beautiful bare back experiences with slim petite 19 year olds because I showed perseverance and I was lucky.

[QUOTE=Philosophus;2786230]I cannot compare PP to BKK, really. I think BKK is the safer bet. But PP is poorer, younger, slimmer, more petite, more desperate. Girls are more curious in PP, and less papmpered, have less income security and appreciate their clients more. I am glad the mate who took a 33 why old had a good time, but it is like taking a 52 y old in UK, as Cambodia's average age is 25. Patience helps, and the 50 dollar bill is spent easily. But what is the point not investing in the experience if the flight sets you back 1500 or so bucks? Khmer culture is tolerant of sex, but girls need to mature somewhat to gain experience with a cambodian BF to start to enjoy the company of a paying lover 30 years her senior. I had beautiful bare back experiences with slim petite 19 year olds because I showed perseverance and I was lucky.[/QUOTE]I hear you. Perseverance often produces the best luck, often late at night after multiple early-evening failures. That 19 year old is sounding mighty nice right now. Just got to figure out how to navigate the PP mamasan gauntlet.

[QUOTE=Volterra;2785987]I have no idea how you (Philosophus) and BrCitizen had such great experiences there, except, as you mention, for putting tons of effort with tons of patience, tons of time, and probably tons of drink money spent over many nights. I could see that there must have been some guys getting it right in PP, but they / you must be of a certain breed. I am also well groomed, not hideous looking, and not stingy in the sense that I was also ready and willing to part with $60-90 easily for the higher quality birds. But no way I am going to throw an extra $50 for drinks to groups of girls at the bar. I saw a couple of dudes (maybe it was you LOL) doing that. It just takes too much work for the short stayer.

I would like to hear more from BrCitizen about his approach. I can only believe that the devil is in the details and you must have picked up on something that a lot of guys like me overlook in PP. And in terms of girl quality, I just didn't see that many that I thought were hot. Maybe things would look better and go more smoothly on a 2nd trip, but I would only do it if I have a longer time to build my MO.

PP is a puzzle to me. Clearly guys like RakSopheni and myself are fuming in frustration over it (even after my own continuous roaring in Pattaya / Bkk / AC over the past 2 months). I am going to keep reading this forum to see if I can see anything between the lines that starts to suggest opportunity.[/QUOTE]Finding a young hot 18-21-year-old is not difficult but requires a bit of legwork. Cover as many bars as you can. Most of the selections will be sitting outside at the smaller bars. You will have to go in to the bigger ones to see everyone. Don't feel like you have to stay for a drink in each one. Most of the time I just pop in, have a quick look, and if I don't see something I like I just bail. Take a minute or two.

You have to show you are generous and buy drinks at the bar. That is the key. She will appreciate you letting her gain face with her friends, the mamasan, and the other girls at the bar. But once you have the girl GF a girl and had a good experience in the room she is you will have her locked down. It is no longer necessary to buy all those drinks. Get her contact info and have her come to you. Or just come in, but a drink or two, and BF her and take her home.

The real challenge is mitigating the huge bar tabs and controlling your urge to just go wild after a few drinks (especially if you re getting good attention with the girl, ie. DFK, feeling her up, getting naughty at the bar, etc. It can be a real blast. That is probably my biggest expense when I am in PNH.

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;2786315]Finding a young hot 18-21-year-old is not difficult but requires a bit of legwork. Cover as many bars as you can. Most of the selections will be sitting outside at the smaller bars. You will have to go in to the bigger ones to see everyone. Don't feel like you have to stay for a drink in each one. Most of the time I just pop in, have a quick look, and if I don't see something I like I just bail. Take a minute or two.

You have to show you are generous and buy drinks at the bar. That is the key. She will appreciate you letting her gain face with her friends, the mamasan, and the other girls at the bar. But once you have the girl GF a girl and had a good experience in the room she is you will have her locked down. It is no longer necessary to buy all those drinks. Get her contact info and have her come to you. Or just come in, but a drink or two, and BF her and take her home.

The real challenge is mitigating the huge bar tabs and controlling your urge to just go wild after a few drinks (especially if you re getting good attention with the girl, ie. DFK, feeling her up, getting naughty at the bar, etc. It can be a real blast. That is probably my biggest expense when I am in PNH.[/QUOTE]Making my 8th visit to Phnom Penh this October. All my previous visits had a blast picking up freelancers. Couple even cooked food at home and brought it to me when I showed interested in eating cockles with spicy sauce.

After covid are there any freelancer bars open?

Staying at Nagaworld 2. I know there are high end freelancers there but not sure if they are GFE. Not interested in using tuk tuk drivers to find girls in local brothels. Many are usually underage. They do not fit in in high end hotels.

I don't believe anyone has mentioned the elephant in the room for PP. "Originals".

The daytime scene was vibrant but not a lot of top shelf talent. Many of the bars had kids running around as the mammasans were getting them ready to open. Instead it was a good time to grab a beer in one of the many sports bars and watch the excitement build. At 6 PM things really started going. Dozens and dozens of young slender girls poured into the girly bars or on chairs right outside. In general, it was easy to communicate in English, and when that failed, the girls were pros with google translate. I'm all for hot young talent, but honestly, many girls looked borderline underage so I just outright avoided them. I had a fun time hanging out at the Ponytail bar on 130 though they didn't have the best talent. Round one, at 9 PM I took back a 20 yo smoking hot girl from the bar across the street. Very petite and inexperienced. After about 10 sec of BBBJ she hopped on top of my cock. She was super tight and really couldn't handle me but I finished quickly anyway. Damage including the bar fine was $120.

Round 2 was closer to 2 AM. I had went back out to check out the late scene. Girls were giving out their numbers to help you avoid the bar fine since bars were closing. Some of the best talent was gone, but still many beautiful women. I opted for a free lancer walking on the street. $30 all in. She also had a lot of trouble with my size so maybe consider picking up some oil. On walking back 4 girls bum-rushed me. They were touching me but one clearly went for my pocket. They were easy to fend off, but just be prepared.

I stayed at the Tao. Great location, nice room and friendly.

[QUOTE=BRCitizen;2774670] And tbh, I think Khmer girls are just better looking than Thai overall. But that's a personal preference I suppose.
[/QUOTE]Hello as a frame of reference can you help me understand what you mean by Khmer look? Does the average Kmer girl look like the darker skin girl or the lighter skin?

Hi patrons,

Visiting Phnom Penh for a couple of days (its not a tourist visit). Wondering if there is any chance of mongering in this visit and if yes a place to stay closer to airport.

This will be my first visit to Cambodia so any suggestions / tips are appreciated!

Thanks.

[QUOTE=Volterra;2785987]I have no idea how you (Philosophus) and BrCitizen had such great experiences there, except, as you mention, for putting tons of effort with tons of patience, tons of time, and probably tons of drink money spent over many nights. I could see that there must have been some guys getting it right in PP, but they / you must be of a certain breed. I am also well groomed, not hideous looking, and not stingy in the sense that I was also ready and willing to part with $60-90 easily for the higher quality birds. But no way I am going to throw an extra $50 for drinks to groups of girls at the bar. I saw a couple of dudes (maybe it was you LOL) doing that. It just takes too much work for the short stayer.

I would like to hear more from BrCitizen about his approach. I can only believe that the devil is in the details and you must have picked up on something that a lot of guys like me overlook in PP. And in terms of girl quality, I just didn't see that many that I thought were hot. Maybe things would look better and go more smoothly on a 2nd trip, but I would only do it if I have a longer time to build my MO.

PP is a puzzle to me. Clearly guys like RakSopheni and myself are fuming in frustration over it (even after my own continuous roaring in Pattaya / Bkk / AC over the past 2 months). I am going to keep reading this forum to see if I can see anything between the lines that starts to suggest opportunity.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Custom404;2786548]On walking back 4 girls bum-rushed me. They were touching me but one clearly went for my pocket. They were easy to fend off, but just be prepared.

I stayed at the Tao. Great location, nice room and friendly.[/QUOTE]Yes be careful as that happen to me 2 came up offering services grabbing, touching-distracting and took my phone, don't let them get near you.

[QUOTE=Bluat;2786855]Hello as a frame of reference can you help me understand what you mean by Khmer look? Does the average Kmer girl look like the darker skin girl or the lighter skin?[/QUOTE]As a generalisation. The "average" Khmer girl traditionally has darker skin. The lighter skinned lovelies more than likely have some Chinese ancestry. Which is quite common.

As factors such as socio economic factors also come into play. Ie province girls that many grow up in rural areas compare to capital city upbringing and wealth.

And of course there are the skin whitening products and bizzare almost "glad wrap with a very strong skin peeling cream" process some girls with go through for lighter skin.

I prefer the more traditional dark skin Khmer girl look.

DingoD.

[QUOTE=DingoD;2787853]As a generalisation. The "average" Khmer girl traditionally has darker skin. The lighter skinned lovelies more than likely have some Chinese ancestry. Which is quite common.

As factors such as socio economic factors also come into play. Ie province girls that many grow up in rural areas compare to capital city upbringing and wealth.

And of course there are the skin whitening products and bizzare almost "glad wrap with a very strong skin peeling cream" process some girls with go through for lighter skin.

I prefer the more traditional dark skin Khmer girl look.

DingoD.[/QUOTE]There are all kinds of girls in Phnom Penh. Locals tend to be brownish. But there are lots of Vietnamese who are fairer and command higher price. Those are the ones you see in Nagaworld.

Southern Chinese tend to be darker. Only northern Chinese are tall and beautiful. I used to have girlfriends who are from close to Korea. Tall, milky white, with big boobs.

In the bars you see mostly darker locals. Service is hit and miss like always. Although before covid I had some good providers from the bars. Even met a girl at the mall near the market there. You can go to any pharmacy and get viagra usually comes from Indian pharmacy cheap.

Very nice easy city and less busy compare to BKK. One thing, the prices very transparent and since I paid in dollars appeared affordable.

I was around 136 streets where the Girls still outside. You need to go inside the bar where 2-4 girls will join you and then you select on1-2. I selected one and then bought drinks started to talk. After 5 min the conversation went taking back to hotel. Depending on the place, Bar fine was $10-$15 with short time of 1-2 hours being between $50-$70 and long time $100. Most of the girls were young but I decided on mature late 30's / early 40's lady. I am into mature lady's for that GFA and I am a little older. It was a long time and the good time. Tight pussy I noticed.

On 136 the girls appear to be Khmer. I do not know where the Vietnamese girls hang out.

I defintely recommend Phnom Penh as good alternative to BKK where BKK is just getting too developed and commercialized. Good value for the money in Cambodia.

So was it the Tao Riverside Residenceyou stayed at? And they have no issuesbringingback girls to room?

[QUOTE=Custom404;2786548]The daytime scene was vibrant but not a lot of top shelf talent. Many of the bars had kids running around as the mammasans were getting them ready to open. Instead it was a good time to grab a beer in one of the many sports bars and watch the excitement build. At 6 PM things really started going. Dozens and dozens of young slender girls poured into the girly bars or on chairs right outside. In general, it was easy to communicate in English, and when that failed, the girls were pros with google translate. I'm all for hot young talent, but honestly, many girls looked borderline underage so I just outright avoided them. I had a fun time hanging out at the Ponytail bar on 130 though they didn't have the best talent. Round one, at 9 PM I took back a 20 yo smoking hot girl from the bar across the street. Very petite and inexperienced. After about 10 sec of BBBJ she hopped on top of my cock. She was super tight and really couldn't handle me but I finished quickly anyway. Damage including the bar fine was $120.

Round 2 was closer to 2 AM. I had went back out to check out the late scene. Girls were giving out their numbers to help you avoid the bar fine since bars were closing. Some of the best talent was gone, but still many beautiful women. I opted for a free lancer walking on the street. $30 all in. She also had a lot of trouble with my size so maybe consider picking up some oil. On walking back 4 girls bum-rushed me. They were touching me but one clearly went for my pocket. They were easy to fend off, but just be prepared.

I stayed at the Tao. Great location, nice room and friendly.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Bluat;2786855]Hello as a frame of reference can you help me understand what you mean by Khmer look? Does the average Kmer girl look like the darker skin girl or the lighter skin?[/QUOTE]Referencing your photo examples, and having almost 60 visits to Southeast Asia starting in 1970, my take is that judging nationality by color skin can be next to impossible. One reason is nationality is established my lines drawn in the sand (so to speak). Just looking at Filippino girls, Thai girls, and Khmer girls from 20 feet way, you could be hard pressed to "know" their nationality.

Generalizations abound. Northern Thais are lighter in skin color than Southern Thai gals. Viets whiter than Khmer or Thai's.

With that in mind, I've I've put together a collage of "usual suspects" numbered 1,2,3, and 4. Two are Khmer and two are Thai. I know all of them personally. Here is a little test for you. Which two are Thai? (I'll post the correct answer in a few days.).

Sam.

[QUOTE=JerseyItalian;2793237]So was it the Tao Riverside Residenceyou stayed at? And they have no issuesbringingback girls to room?[/QUOTE]I've heard various inputs on the girl friendliness of hotels in PP. Can you give me input on this?

3 and 4 are Thai. Easy work.

[QUOTE=SamSanuk;2794163]Referencing your photo examples, and having almost 60 visits to Southeast Asia starting in 1970, my take is that judging nationality by color skin can be next to impossible. One reason is nationality is established my lines drawn in the sand (so to speak). Just looking at Filippino girls, Thai girls, and Khmer girls from 20 feet way, you could be hard pressed to "know" their nationality.

Generalizations abound. Northern Thais are lighter in skin color than Southern Thai gals. Viets whiter than Khmer or Thai's.

With that in mind, I've I've put together a collage of "usual suspects" numbered 1,2,3, and 4. Two are Khmer and two are Thai. I know all of them personally. Here is a little test for you. Which two are Thai? (I'll post the correct answer in a few days.).

Sam.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SamSanuk;2794163]Referencing your photo examples, and having almost 60 visits to Southeast Asia starting in 1970, my take is that judging nationality by color skin can be next to impossible. One reason is nationality is established my lines drawn in the sand (so to speak). Just looking at Filippino girls, Thai girls, and Khmer girls from 20 feet way, you could be hard pressed to "know" their nationality.

Generalizations abound. Northern Thais are lighter in skin color than Southern Thai gals. Viets whiter than Khmer or Thai's.

With that in mind, I've I've put together a collage of "usual suspects" numbered 1,2,3, and 4. Two are Khmer and two are Thai. I know all of them personally. Here is a little test for you. Which two are Thai? (I'll post the correct answer in a few days.).

Sam.[/QUOTE]I'll take a guess. Even if wrong.

1. Thai.

2 Filipina.

3. VN.

4. khmer.

[QUOTE=Fastpiston;2795032]I've heard various inputs on the girl friendliness of hotels in PP. Can you give me input on this?[/QUOTE]I'd be more surprised if a hotel in PP wasn't girl friendly tbh. I haven't stayed at Tao or Sun&Moon which seem to be popular here but I have previously stayed a three different hotels and all were girl friendly: Harmony, Baitong, and Courtyard Marriott.

Harmony is the hotel I'd recommend. It is on street 148, just a couple blocks from the bar action only about a 3-minute walk away. Prices are about $35-$40 per night. Rooms are good, wifi is good, the gym is one of the better hotel gyms I've been to and the star is the rooftop pool and skybar. Good food and excellent views of the Riverside, especially at night. I've stayed there three times and never had a problem bringing a girl back. They may ask for ID but not always, depends on who is working the desk I guess, but no extra charge.

Baitong is in BKK1, about a 10-minute tuk-tuk ride from Riverside which isn't too bad. The hotel is one of the nicest in PP, got this cool eco / jungle vibe to it, two different pools, a nice seafood restaurant, and an outdoor rooftop bar. More expensive at $60-$70 per night but BKK1 is a nicer area of PP than Riverside. Lots of great restaurants, coffee shops, and other shops all in walking distance. They never bothered me bringing girls back, not even to check ID.

Courtyard Marriott I wouldn't recommend just because it is too expensive for what you get. They were the most strict with IDs on girls as they always took the girls ID when I brought them back but again otherwise no problems. Rooms are modern and they have a nice rooftop pool and skybar too but the neighborhood isn't particularly interesting and again it is too expensive compared to other hotels in PP. It is more oriented towards business travelers than tourists.

Hope that helps, glad to answer any other questions about PP.

I would almost with 100% certainty say #4 is Khmer. The other 3 all have a generic look that I personally can't pick from these photos, so I'll have a stab in the dark that #2 is also Khmer, leaving #1 and #3 as our Thai representatives!!

I'll be sampling my own Khmer in 3 days when I arrive on Thursday morning!!

Cheers.

[QUOTE=SamSanuk;2794163]Referencing your photo examples, and having almost 60 visits to Southeast Asia starting in 1970, my take is that judging nationality by color skin can be next to impossible. One reason is nationality is established my lines drawn in the sand (so to speak). Just looking at Filippino girls, Thai girls, and Khmer girls from 20 feet way, you could be hard pressed to "know" their nationality.

Generalizations abound. Northern Thais are lighter in skin color than Southern Thai gals. Viets whiter than Khmer or Thai's.

With that in mind, I've I've put together a collage of "usual suspects" numbered 1,2,3, and 4. Two are Khmer and two are Thai. I know all of them personally. Here is a little test for you. Which two are Thai? (I'll post the correct answer in a few days.).

Sam.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SamSanuk;2794163]Referencing your photo examples, and having almost 60 visits to Southeast Asia starting in 1970, my take is that judging nationality by color skin can be next to impossible. One reason is nationality is established my lines drawn in the sand (so to speak). Just looking at Filippino girls, Thai girls, and Khmer girls from 20 feet way, you could be hard pressed to "know" their nationality.

Generalizations abound. Northern Thais are lighter in skin color than Southern Thai gals. Viets whiter than Khmer or Thai's.

With that in mind, I've I've put together a collage of "usual suspects" numbered 1,2,3, and 4. Two are Khmer and two are Thai. I know all of them personally. Here is a little test for you. Which two are Thai? (I'll post the correct answer in a few days.).

Sam.[/QUOTE]Back in the day, "Mon" people lived everywhere. Thais came down from China, and they had lighter skin, there just weren't so many of them, and most settled in the north.

I'll take number 2 and possibly number 3 if I had a more revealing photo. Don't care what her nationality is. I would turn down 1 and 4 even if they were freebies and they were super horned up.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2795476]I'll take number 2 and possibly number 3 if I had a more revealing photo. Don't care what her nationality is. I would turn down 1 and 4 even if they were freebies and they were super horned up.[/QUOTE]For those who are curious, #1 and #4 are Thai. #2 and #3 are Khmer. Too bad BB wasn't attracted to #1. One of the best service providers you could ask for. Photo below was taken a few years ago, but shows enough of the merchandise to make many interested, IMO. #4 provided the best GFE I ever experienced.

In any event, the responses (albeit a small sampling) tends to validate my belief that "you can't tell a book from its cover". .

[QUOTE=DingoD;2787853]As a generalisation. The "average" Khmer girl traditionally has darker skin. The lighter skinned lovelies more than likely have some Chinese ancestry. Which is quite common.

As factors such as socio economic factors also come into play. Ie province girls that many grow up in rural areas compare to capital city upbringing and wealth.

And of course there are the skin whitening products and bizzare almost "glad wrap with a very strong skin peeling cream" process some girls with go through for lighter skin.

I prefer the more traditional dark skin Khmer girl look.

DingoD.[/QUOTE]Interesting that the Khmer language is a branch of the Austro-Asiatic Group, so it's more similar to some languages spoken in India than Thai / Lao. The Khmer people were part of a different, earlier wave of migration than the Thai and Vietnamese-although Vietnamese as a language did also emerge from this same root. Khmer are generally darker with wider noses than Thai, but as many have pointed out, it's really impossible to tell.

I participate in the Thailand and Mexico forums. I have RTTFed the last 100 pages of this PP forum to find out about paying in USD. I haven't found recent information so I will ask:

1) Should I expect to pay in USD?

2) If the answer is yes to question no. 1, what denominations should I bring? Dollar bills, tens and twenties?

3) Should I bring some Riel?

Thanks in advance.

[QUOTE=Vendelo;2800198]I participate in the Thailand and Mexico forums. I have RTTFed the last 100 pages of this PP forum to find out about paying in USD. I haven't found recent information so I will ask:

1) Should I expect to pay in USD?

2) If the answer is yes to question no. 1, what denominations should I bring? Dollar bills, tens and twenties?

3) Should I bring some Riel?

Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]Bring lots of $1, $5, $10, $20, few $100 . Dollars are generally accepted. $1 roughly equals 4000 Cambodia riel. Not sure now but $1 gets you transportation point to point few years ago.

All girls and bars accept dollar bills.

I have limited experience in Cambodia, so verify with others but I had a hard time with old looking hundreds. People wanted new crisp ones because they suspected the old ones were fake.

[QUOTE=Vendelo;2800198]I participate in the Thailand and Mexico forums. I have RTTFed the last 100 pages of this PP forum to find out about paying in USD. I haven't found recent information so I will ask:

1) Should I expect to pay in USD?

2) If the answer is yes to question no. 1, what denominations should I bring? Dollar bills, tens and twenties?

3) Should I bring some Riel?

Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Vendelo;2800198]I participate in the Thailand and Mexico forums. I have RTTFed the last 100 pages of this PP forum to find out about paying in USD. I haven't found recent information so I will ask:

1) Should I expect to pay in USD?

2) If the answer is yes to question no. 1, what denominations should I bring? Dollar bills, tens and twenties?

3) Should I bring some Riel?

Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]1) You can pay in USD or Riel, both are accepted. Riel is fixed to the dollar at 4000/4100 riel to $1 and they are used interchangeably. Most prices are quoted in dollars but more commonly you will be given the price in both USD and Riel. You have to be careful with USD because they will not accept old bills, torn bills, or bills with any other defects at all, e. G. Pen markings. Also note that when paying with USD you will typically be getting change back in riel, so be sure to count your change before you leave because I have been screwed over before.

2) $10, $20, $50, $100 are all accepted. Many places won't take $1 or $5 anymore, although tuk tuks generally will still accept $1. The ATMs disperse $100 bills only but they can be difficult to use for small purchases as places won't want to give change.

3) You don't need to if you already have USD and is easy to exchange to Riel because of the fixed exchange rate.

Generally I carry both riel and USD. I use riel for all my everyday purchases, food, tuk tuks, buying anything at the market, etc. And USD for more expensive items. But you could absolutely get by using only riel if you want.

Don't bring many 1 and 5 dollar notes. They are making a push towards Riel and the use of these has diminished a lot. Bring a few for initial transport costs and as another poster said, bring only new crispy 50's and 100's. You can still use any dollar note but you will find most transactions are in Riel, even though they keep pricing everything in dollars!

[QUOTE=Fenyx;2800297]1) You can pay in USD or Riel, both are accepted. Riel is fixed to the dollar at 4000/4100 riel to $1 and they are used interchangeably. Most prices are quoted in dollars but more commonly you will be given the price in both USD and Riel. You have to be careful with USD because they will not accept old bills, torn bills, or bills with any other defects at all, e. G. Pen markings. Also note that when paying with USD you will typically be getting change back in riel, so be sure to count your change before you leave because I have been screwed over before.

2) $10, $20, $50, $100 are all accepted. Many places won't take $1 or $5 anymore, although tuk tuks generally will still accept $1. The ATMs disperse $100 bills only but they can be difficult to use for small purchases as places won't want to give change.

3) You don't need to if you already have USD and is easy to exchange to Riel because of the fixed exchange rate.

Generally I carry both riel and USD. I use riel for all my everyday purchases, food, tuk tuks, buying anything at the market, etc. And USD for more expensive items. But you could absolutely get by using only riel if you want.[/QUOTE]Thanks so much for the detailed info. If you ever need info on Mexico or Thailand let me know.

[QUOTE=SouthEaster;2800346]Don't bring many 1 and 5 dollar notes. They are making a push towards Riel and the use of these has diminished a lot. Bring a few for initial transport costs and as another poster said, bring only new crispy 50's and 100's. You can still use any dollar note but you will find most transactions are in Riel, even though they keep pricing everything in dollars![/QUOTE]Thanks for the information. I really appreciate it and will return the favor with a trip report in June.

[QUOTE=Vendelo;2800480]Thanks for the information. I really appreciate it and will return the favor with a trip report in June.[/QUOTE]Emphasis on the bills being crisp. Some higher end places (ie, hotels etc.) have kicked my USD back in the past if it was too wrinkled or ripped. I haven't been to PP in a while (approx. 4 years) so this might have changed. PM me if you're interested in finding good spots while you are there.

Nice long report brother.

You keep mentioning Vietnam is cheaper.

How much were you spending for ST and LT there?

From what I can see, Vietnam is roughly the same.

Thank you brother!

Is there a Songkran holiday in Cambodia? Do they throw water?

When I returned to Phnom Penh, I finally met my old lover. I have known her for six or seven years. I saw her on WeChat, and I found that she is still in good shape, thin and big. It is really old love. Unfortunately, she seems to have a boyfriend. It may be because of the relationship with a boyfriend. It is much more difficult to make an appointment. In the past, it was basically a one-time appointment.

1) I finally made an appointment at the hotel. This time, the girl was wearing a normal T-shirt instead of a sexy suspenders, maybe she was afraid that her boyfriend would find out. I asked her how she was doing recently, and I started to grab her breasts, which were softer, but the shape was still beautiful, and the pubic hair was shaved clean, so it is convenient for customers to add it.

2) I like oral sex in the bathroom at the beginning, and the crush agreed, but it will cost more. She is like this, although she is a bit more realistic, but as long as you pay more, you can do basic services well, except for 3 P and other multiplayer sports, she is not willing, but she can play HIGH (those things that will be caught by the police), Or I fuck her and another guy friend fucks another girl in another bed, but not both guys fuck her together. It is also possible for several women to have sex with one man, but I don't know how it actually works because I haven't tried it.

3) I may have experience this time. I can lick, turn, and deep throat in oral sex. I am ok and satisfied. Basically, if I don't stop it, I will keep blowing. At the beginning of the bed war, I wanted to pay more money to shoot internally, but I refused to do anything, so forget it. I started with the heirloom style first, then the doggy style, and then fucked her in the toilet for half an hour, because there was a mirror, so it looked better. In the end, he inserted her mouth, but he didn't let her mouth explode, so he could only take off the condom and cum on her face.

4) After a 30-minute break, the second fight started. It also started with oral sex, but because the first time was very tiring, it took a while to get hard and it took a long time. Fortunately, this time the female and female felt better, and they kept screaming, and I couldn't help but ejaculate. But this time it was just taking off the condom and shooting on the stomach.

Sometimes an old lover whom I haven't seen for a long time will have a very good experience, like an affair, especially this girl, it feels really good experience, I think about how to date again, because it is said that it is more difficult for her to come out and have sex, boyfriend They all live with her, and can only occasionally say that they go shopping or eat with their girlfriends.

Originally, I wanted to attach a complete photo or video, but after thinking about it, I should protect my crush. After all, people are good and beautiful, and it will be bad if something happens later. This kind of appearance is matched with this kind of figure and breasts, where can I find it?

Attached are a few sexy pictures to make everyone happy. Just take a look, don't put it on public Facebook, etc.

*Only have some her old photo since I know her for 6-7 years already, and some body shape (sorry but no face showed).

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2804586]Is there a Songkran holiday in Cambodia? Do they throw water?[/QUOTE]Yes and yes. Songkran in Thailand is Khmer New Year in Cambodia. The water assaulting isn't as bad as in BKK or Pattaya.

SS.

Are you massage massa. I think is the name. Downtown in phn still open. Thanks. It's on 252 street.

Hey all. I haven't been to PP since 2019 andI understand a lot of places shut down as a result of Covid-19. Can anyone tell me if Mao's bar on 106th and Sisoweth is still operating? I loved their whisky bar.

[QUOTE=TravelingMan3;2782160]While I'd also say Brazil is old news as dudes that would go to Rio stoped going after Help closed. I've been around the world and I'd say white chicks are the most selective I live in Pattaya those chicks fuck anybody. You may be thinking what about the chicks in Angeles city for example that only fuck Koreans they are doing that because Koreans pay over the going rate if a white dude lets say were to offer the Korean price she would fuck him. As far as the fucking black fevela putas in the ass do you think your doing something by fucking dirt poor Asian working girls in the ass in Asia.[/QUOTE]I hate to say this.

But Koreans are inflating the market and will push prices higher and higher leaving nothing else for "regular people" (those with less that $200 a pop);.

How nobody is stepping up to stop this unpleasant Korean trend is puzzling;.

Someone need to SHOW these Koreans that is NOT cool to pay x5 the regular price. And, if you continue to do it, a punishment will await.

I mean really, this crazy money splashing has to stop.

Imagine these dudes coming to AC, spend 3 K or 4 K a week, returning home and sharing their "awesome" vacation on social medias: all the 18-70 years old koreans will flood the PH. Enough is enough.

Booked to go to Phnom Penh in October. Got a good cheap fare on Eva Air. Phnom Penh, Pattaya, BKk, Manil! Cebu trip.

I am no stranger to Phnom Penh but previous trips are quite a few years back. As I remember there were many just bars and Disco places where you can pick up girls. I have picked many pretty girls from there rather than from girlie bars. Are those bars and disco places still exist? Any info is appreciated. I remember the girls I picked up are GFE and stayed with me LT and in few cases for a couple of days. The girls I picked up from girlie bars although promise everything change later. The girls in bars and disco places are essentially freelancers.

Staying at Naga. I know there are high end girls there but with questionable service.

[QUOTE=SecondBlock;2821626]I hate to say this.

But Koreans are inflating the market and will push prices higher and higher leaving nothing else for "regular people" (those with less that $200 a pop);.

How nobody is stepping up to stop this unpleasant Korean trend is puzzling;.

Someone need to SHOW these Koreans that is NOT cool to pay x5 the regular price. And, if you continue to do it, a punishment will await.

I mean really, this crazy money splashing has to stop.

Imagine these dudes coming to AC, spend 3 K or 4 K a week, returning home and sharing their "awesome" vacation on social medias: all the 18-70 years old koreans will flood the PH. Enough is enough.[/QUOTE]And who would you suggest to step up and put an end to this unpleasant trend?

Who is the someone to show these Koreans and what punishments doe you propose?

Korean Pussy Price Patrol?

[QUOTE=Chop;2704624]PP is alive and kicking. Can't compare it to pre-covid as it's my first time here, but the bars in the river district are open. Plenty of cute young (legal!) girls but not so many customers. I asked the girls at the bar across from my hotel last night (a Friday night), and it was 7 girls working. 3 inside with only one customer and 4 outside trying to tout me in. All four were well doable but as you'll see, I set the bar a bit low. YMMV. I got nothing further to share on the bar front as it's not my scene, but I can report it looks good from the street.

Went in for a massage earlyish in the evening. Wanted an actual decent massage so picked a place with older gals. They age pretty well in this part of the world. Good enough for a HJ and like I said I was really after a legit massage as priority one anyway. My choice turned out to be a pretty decent masseuse, so mission accomplished. The HJ finish quickly turned to BBFS, which I was cool with. Total damage: $12 US for the massage and $20 for the pussy. That's a little on the high side for the massage, but on the low side for the pussy. Call it the past her prime discount, but past her prime was still plenty good enough to get the job done.[/QUOTE]Hi Chop,

Nice post. How old was this lady at the massage? Was she a 6, 7 looing lady or less?

[QUOTE=Yuri;2790921]Very nice easy city and less busy compare to BKK. One thing, the prices very transparent and since I paid in dollars appeared affordable.

I was around 136 streets where the Girls still outside. You need to go inside the bar where 2-4 girls will join you and then you select on1-2. I selected one and then bought drinks started to talk. After 5 min the conversation went taking back to hotel. Depending on the place, Bar fine was $10-$15 with short time of 1-2 hours being between $50-$70 and long time $100. Most of the girls were young but I decided on mature late 30's / early 40's lady. I am into mature lady's for that GFA and I am a little older. It was a long time and the good time. Tight pussy I noticed.

On 136 the girls appear to be Khmer. I do not know where the Vietnamese girls hang out.

I defintely recommend Phnom Penh as good alternative to BKK where BKK is just getting too developed and commercialized. Good value for the money in Cambodia.[/QUOTE]Do we pay for sex right away or only in the morning or in connection with BF?

[QUOTE=SecondBlock;2821626]I hate to say this.

But Koreans are inflating the market and will push prices higher and higher leaving nothing else for "regular people" (those with less that $200 a pop);.

How nobody is stepping up to stop this unpleasant Korean trend is puzzling;.

Someone need to SHOW these Koreans that is NOT cool to pay x5 the regular price. And, if you continue to do it, a punishment will await.

I mean really, this crazy money splashing has to stop.

Imagine these dudes coming to AC, spend 3 K or 4 K a week, returning home and sharing their "awesome" vacation on social medias: all the 18-70 years old koreans will flood the PH. Enough is enough.[/QUOTE]The total average number of days Koreans spent travelling abroad is 4. 79 days (small number of holidays). So, yes, they spend 5-6 times on anything and everything / a dinner or a hotel bed, and won't blink and will not stop.

[QUOTE=NorthernDancer;2808313]Can anyone tell me if Mao's bar on 106th and Sisoweth is still operating?[/QUOTE]Yes, business as usual.

For whoever asked about Massa, that's been closed for some while and still was last time I looked.

[QUOTE=SecondBlock;2821626]I hate to say this.

But Koreans are inflating the market and will push prices higher and higher leaving nothing else for "regular people" (those with less that $200 a pop);.

How nobody is stepping up to stop this unpleasant Korean trend is puzzling;.

Someone need to SHOW these Koreans that is NOT cool to pay x5 the regular price. And, if you continue to do it, a punishment will await.

I mean really, this crazy money splashing has to stop.

Imagine these dudes coming to AC, spend 3 K or 4 K a week, returning home and sharing their "awesome" vacation on social medias: all the 18-70 years old Koreans will flood the PH. Enough is enough.[/QUOTE]There is nothing anyone can do as others have pointed out Koreans take very short trip so they need instant results they don't have time lets say over a week to offer a low price and when the girl really needs money she takes there low offer. They can't play this game. They also don't speak english really so they get talk to the girls they just throw money around. They also have extra money to spend because there not spending it on a flight like Westerners. Besides They have been in AC awhile now that place is shit they can have it.

I am not very knowledgeable on Cambodia and I skimmed through the last 5 pages. Opinions seems to vary quite a bit but what is a realistic and conservative estimate for the going rate for ST / LT (BBFS) in Phnom Penh for *above* average young girls? 18-24?

I am currently calculating whether I might want to try Phnom Penh instead of Pattaya this time around to spend my hard earned Euros. I am very very familiar with Pattaya and very confident there with getting what I want for the prices that I want.

Phnom Penh would be something new entirely.

[QUOTE=Argo1990;2824760]I am not very knowledgeable on Cambodia and I skimmed through the last 5 pages. Opinions seems to vary quite a bit but what is a realistic and conservative estimate for the going rate for ST / LT (BBFS) in Phnom Penh for *above* average young girls? 18-24?

I am currently calculating whether I might want to try Phnom Penh instead of Pattaya this time around to spend my hard earned Euros. I am very very familiar with Pattaya and very confident there with getting what I want for the prices that I want.

Phnom Penh would be something new entirely.[/QUOTE]FYI, go to Thailand and Cambodia all the time. I will always spend 4/5 days in Pattaya and then 4/5 days in Pnom Penh. About me, 100% of girls in Pattaya and Pnom Penh accept BBFS. I've many girls in Thailand and Cambodia. I go only with sexy ladies between 19/25.

[QUOTE=Gilolo;2824821]FYI, go to Thailand and Cambodia all the time. I will always spend 4/5 days in Pattaya and then 4/5 days in Pnom Penh. About me, 100% of girls in Pattaya and Pnom Penh accept BBFS. I've many girls in Thailand and Cambodia. I go only with sexy ladies between 19/25.[/QUOTE]So BBFS is nothing unheard of or too exotic to ask them then in that case right? I do it all the time in Pattaya (in fact I cannot remember the last time I wrapped up in TH) just want to make sure that I can get tht in Phnom Penh as well.

As for the prices barfine 10-20 USD then St around 50 bucks and LT 100-200? (I'm talking reasonably attractive young girls) . Seems a bit steep compared to Pattaya.

I am planning to stay in Phnom Penh for about a week (7-8 nights) towards the end of July.

Happy to report back on current pricing and service quality once I'm there. Looking for a hotel close to Streets 130 and 136 right now and open for suggestions.

[QUOTE=TravelingMan3;2824619]There is nothing anyone can do as others have pointed out Koreans take very short trip so they need instant results they don't have time lets say over a week to offer a low price and when the girl really needs money she takes there low offer. They can't play this game. They also don't speak english really so they get talk to the girls they just throw money around. They also have extra money to spend because there not spending it on a flight like Westerners. Besides They have been in AC awhile now that place is shit they can have it.[/QUOTE]Koreans will walk up to a gogo dancer and stick their fingers in the air. Each finger represents 1,000 baht for Short Time. If the lady accepts, off they go.

[QUOTE=Argo1990;2825315]So BBFS is nothing unheard of or too exotic to ask them then in that case right? I do it all the time in Pattaya (in fact I cannot remember the last time I wrapped up in TH) just want to make sure that I can get tht in Phnom Penh as well.

As for the prices barfine 10-20 USD then St around 50 bucks and LT 100-200? (I'm talking reasonably attractive young girls) . Seems a bit steep compared to Pattaya.

I am planning to stay in Phnom Penh for about a week (7-8 nights) towards the end of July.

Happy to report back on current pricing and service quality once I'm there. Looking for a hotel close to Streets 130 and 136 right now and open for suggestions.[/QUOTE]It depends on the girl. In my experience, I would say 80% are OK with it but I've had several girls where covered was required. Ultimately, it's up to them. As for barfines, typically $10 on weekdays, $15 on weekends. And yes $50 is the standard for ST, $100 for LT. You can of course start lower and try to negotiate a better price, but I wouldn't pay over those figures. For hotel rec, I like Harmony Phnom Penh Hotel on street 148.

[QUOTE=Fenyx;2825381]It depends on the girl. In my experience, I would say 80% are OK with it but I've had several girls where covered was required. Ultimately, it's up to them. As for barfines, typically $10 on weekdays, $15 on weekends. And yes $50 is the standard for ST, $100 for LT. You can of course start lower and try to negotiate a better price, but I wouldn't pay over those figures. For hotel rec, I like Harmony Phnom Penh Hotel on street 148.[/QUOTE]I would agree with this experience versus the 100% always reported by sir Gilolo. On hotel recommendation I prefer Sun and Moon on street 136.

Need some feedback please.

1.

Is RS 2 Guest house guest friendly? Joiner fee or ID?

2.

Is it walkable from the red light.

3.

Do the girls agree to go there.

4.

Do the rooms have a safe? Can it fit a laptop?

5.

Any other info like hot water, safety.

Thanks.

[QUOTE=Sammon;2821995]
Staying at Naga. I know there are high end girls there but with questionable service [/QUOTE]If you are a smoker, then there will be no hassles for you staying at Naga, but if you don't like it then the whole place is ingrained with cigarette smoke from the mostly Chinese gamblers who stay there.

I always stay at an Air bnb quite near, and I asked to see a so-called non-smoking room on one trip earlier this year and it still smelled strongly of cigarettes.

Because it's on the way home, I usually stop off at Naga after a bar crawl (if I decided not to pull the trigger in the riverside bars).

I have always found someone to my liking in Darlin' Darlin', and I have never had "questionable service" (for me anyway).

The girls always approach me, so I usually just wait with a drink until someone drifts over.

I have never paid more than $100 but you can usually get them lower for ST if you show the "take it or leave it" approach.

[QUOTE=Mikjuh;2823091]Do we pay for sex right away or only in the morning or in connection with BF?[/QUOTE]Pay barfine when you take the girl. Pay the girl in the morning separately from the barfine.

HH.

Please help with Visa on Arrival at PP Airport for Americans.

1.

Does the airline ask for proof of onward travel?

2.

Does the immigration ask for proof of onward travel?

3.

Do you need to have two photos? What size?

4.

I have done two same day border runs by van from pattaya to Cambodia this year. Could that cause any problems for this airport entry.

5.

What is the 130/136 area referred to as? For travel from airport.

6.

Is that free train still functioning? Does it get close to 130/136.

7.

Are the electric outlets in Cambodia same as in Thailand.

[QUOTE=RedKilt;2827125]If you are a smoker, then there will be no hassles for you staying at Naga, but if you don't like it then the whole place is ingrained with cigarette smoke from the mostly Chinese gamblers who stay there.

I always stay at an Air bnb quite near, and I asked to see a so-called non-smoking room on one trip earlier this year and it still smelled strongly of cigarettes.

Because it's on the way home, I usually stop off at Naga after a bar crawl (if I decided not to pull the trigger in the riverside bars).

I have always found someone to my liking in Darlin' Darlin', and I have never had "questionable service" (for me anyway).

The girls always approach me, so I usually just wait with a drink until someone drifts over.

I have never paid more than $100 but you can usually get them lower for ST if you show the "take it or leave it" approach.[/QUOTE]I do understand smoking odor and issues. Casino gamblers especially Asians are chain smokers and even if there are signs in non smoking rooms they still smoke. In Angeles city also same situation. Sometimes house keeping spray but smell lingers. I do not smoke. I have always avoided Naga before firstly because it is too far from mongering venues and also I am not a big gambler. When I gambled there before they gave me and my girl at that time free buffet dinner. But this time I got a good deal with breakfast. I will post a report when I go in October.

Is heart of darkness and other disco bars open? When I went before covid there were some nice freelancers. Some came from neighboring provinces to make money and was GFE. No qualms about staying LT.

Bargirls from street 136,141 are sort of run after the deed although very friendly. I like LT if I can get it. Nothing like a morning fuck.

[QUOTE=SplitPersona;2827387]Please help with Visa on Arrival at PP Airport for Americans.

1.

Does the airline ask for proof of onward travel?

2.

Does the immigration ask for proof of onward travel?

3.

Do you need to have two photos? What size?

4.

I have done two same day border runs by van from pattaya to Cambodia this year. Could that cause any problems for this airport entry.

5.

What is the 130/136 area referred to as? For travel from airport.

6.

Is that free train still functioning? Does it get close to 130/136.

7.

Are the electric outlets in Cambodia same as in Thailand.[/QUOTE]1. Airlines ask for proof of onward travel.

2. Immigration did not ask.

3. You need passport size pictures. You can also online visitor visa. Fill out application and attach your picture. You will get the visa in your e mail which you show at the immigration. No need for photo.

4. I do not think they care how many times you have gone in. They welcome all tourists.

5. 136,141 etc are streets on riverside area.

6. Not sure if there is a free train. Check online.

7. Most hotels have universal outlets but 220 .

Most info these days are available online. Including videos of nightlife etc.

I appreciate the hotel suggestions guys.

I am looking at both the Sun and Moon as well as the Harmony that both Fenyx and Houston Player suggested.

I am planning to take a VPN travel router with me and establishing a VPN tunnel to my home network so that I can use my ISP IP address to access company data and whatnot. As I will be working around 4-5 hours per day during my trip I am curious how was the wifi at these 2 mentioned hotels? Good enough to be doing a couple of video calls here and there?

[QUOTE=Argo1990;2828579]I appreciate the hotel suggestions guys.

I am looking at both the Sun and Moon as well as the Harmony that both Fenyx and Houston Player suggested.

I am planning to take a VPN travel router with me and establishing a VPN tunnel to my home network so that I can use my ISP IP address to access company data and whatnot. As I will be working around 4-5 hours per day during my trip I am curious how was the wifi at these 2 mentioned hotels? Good enough to be doing a couple of video calls here and there?[/QUOTE]I don't know about Sun & Moon but last time I stayed at Harmony WiFi was OK but not great. I did not do any video calls though so whether it is good enough for your remote work or not I can't really say. It is Cambodia after all, WiFi can be hit or miss.

I do know that there is the newly opened hotel Tribe Phnom Penh Post Office Square on Riverside that actually offers a co-working space for remote workers for $10 half day / $15 full day and they claim to have high speed internet and free coffee. Expensive but at least it's an option for you if you run into trouble.

Things to watch out for??

1.

Is it legal in Cambodia to drink alcohol in public on streets?

2.

I hear about snatch and run. How common is this? Do they do it sneakily or confront you as well?

3.

How common is fake bills situation other than in cheap massage parlors? Hotels Restaurants Bars??

4.

How much tip is expected in bars for say purchase of a beer?

5.

Any reviews on RS 2 guest house?

Sammon thanks for your feedback.

1.

Are Darling Darling and puntoon similar to 808 and Insomnia in Pattaya. How much for consumer beer? Happy hours?

2.

Are bars like Alaska Xanadu similar to beer bars in Pattaya. Do the girls dance on poles? How much for consumer beer? Happy hours?

3.

Are girlish bars I hear about similar to agogo bars in Pattaya. Do the girls dance on poles? How much for consumer beer? Happy hours?

4.

I have also heard of some bars where you HAVE to buy a girl a drink to get in. Which ones are these? Do they have a note outside to that effect?

5.

Are places like massa similar to honey fishbowl in Pattaya. How much for consumer beer? Happy hours?

6.

What is tipping etiquette on drinks.

I am an Indian guy from USA. Planning to visit Phnom Penh. I have decent money to pamper the girls. I want to know how my experience will be. Do girls not like Indians at all or it is subjective?

[QUOTE=SplitPersona;2829866]1. Are Darling Darling and puntoon similar to 808 and Insomnia in Pattaya. How much for consumer beer? Happy hours?
2. Are bars like Alaska Xanadu similar to beer bars in Pattaya. Do the girls dance on poles? How much for consumer beer? Happy hours?
3. Are girlish bars I hear about similar to agogo bars in Pattaya. Do the girls dance on poles? How much for consumer beer? Happy hours?
4. I have also heard of some bars where you HAVE to buy a girl a drink to get in. Which ones are these? Do they have a note outside to that effect?
5. Are places like massa similar to honey fishbowl in Pattaya. How much for consumer beer? Happy hours?
6. What is tipping etiquette on drinks.[/QUOTE]1. Darling Darling is really tame. It's catered to older Chinese and Japanese men from the casino. It's nothing like iBar and 808. Darling is more like Thermae.
2. PP bars are much more wild than Pattaya. Think Windmill or how Soi 6 used to be like in 2016.
3. PP bars are nothing like a good gogo bar. The girls do their little dances on the floor and you get free lap dances and more if you buy them drinks. PP is much dirtier not yet ruined by the Japanese salary men who expect nothing for buying lady drinks.
4. Never heard of this but unless this bar has all the best girls in PP just go to the next bar.
5. there is no actual shop named Massa. It's what some Farang called a massage shop after the Cambodian girl said "massage" and pronounced it "massa".

As for drinks and tipping, PP is FAR cheaper than Pattaya for drinks. Cambodia is a much poorer country than Thailand. It took my buddy and an entire night with many many girls to run up a 200 USD bar tab in PP.

re. fake bills. If you have a US bill that isn't in very good to pristine condition do not accept it back as change. You'll never be able to spend that money until you return to USA. Bring lots of 10s and 20s with you. I stupidly paid a bar tab with 100 USD and got a fake 50 USD back. This was from a bar I was a regular at! My girl gave me crap after saying always check your bills before you accept them. I still have that fake 50 USD as momento of my stupidness. The girls know places that will buy back fake bills at a discounted rate if you ever receive one.

[QUOTE=PLover;2830061]I am an Indian guy from USA. Planning to visit Phnom Penh. I have decent money to pamper the girls. I want to know how my experience will be. Do girls not like Indians at all or it is subjective?[/QUOTE]PP is very Indian friendly. I would say it's second behind KL. Thailand is the least Indian friendly in SEA, at least with hot girls.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2832070]1. Darling Darling is really tame. It's catered to older Chinese and Japanese men from the casino. It's nothing like iBar and 808. Darling is more like Thermae.
2. PP bars are much more wild than Pattaya. Think Windmill or how Soi 6 used to be like in 2016.
3. PP bars are nothing like a good gogo bar. The girls do their little dances on the floor and you get free lap dances and more if you buy them drinks. PP is much dirtier not yet ruined by the Japanese salary men who expect nothing for buying lady drinks.
4. Never heard of this but unless this bar has all the best girls in PP just go to the next bar.
5. there is no actual shop named Massa. It's what some Farang called a massage shop after the Cambodian girl said "massage" and pronounced it "massa".

As for drinks and tipping, PP is FAR cheaper than Pattaya for drinks. Cambodia is a much poorer country than Thailand. It took my buddy and an entire night with many many girls to run up a 200 USD bar tab in PP.

re. fake bills. If you have a US bill that isn't in very good to pristine condition do not accept it back as change. You'll never be able to spend that money until you return to USA. Bring lots of 10s and 20s with you. I stupidly paid a bar tab with 100 USD and got a fake 50 USD back. This was from a bar I was a regular at! My girl gave me crap after saying always check your bills before you accept them. I still have that fake 50 USD as momento of my stupidness. The girls know places that will buy back fake bills at a discounted rate if you ever receive one.[/QUOTE]Thanks very much for the valuable feedback.

So worried about the fake bills that I am planning on converting $20 at airport and $200 as soon as I reach riverside.

And will always use local currency. Where are the best exchanges? Hope there is no fake reil around.

Is drinking in public okay?

My hotel rs 2 guest house did not respond to my question about a safe in the room.

[QUOTE=PLover;2830061]I am an Indian guy from USA. Planning to visit Phnom Penh. I have decent money to pamper the girls. I want to know how my experience will be. Do girls not like Indians at all or it is subjective?[/QUOTE]What dates are you going to be in Phnom Penh?

[QUOTE=SplitPersona;2832268]And will always use local currency. [/QUOTE]Local currency? No one uses Riel except store owners giving you small change trying to get rid of it themselves. You'd have to carry a briefcase at all times to hold 200 USD in Riel. I leave my Riel in the room for the maids. It's all USD in Cambodia.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2832305]Local currency? No one uses Riel except store owners giving you small change trying to get rid of it themselves. You'd have to carry a briefcase at all times to hold 200 USD in Riel. I leave my Riel in the room for the maids. It's all USD in Cambodia.[/QUOTE]Exactly. I save riels for tips, tuk tuk guys, amputees, local markets, etc. I like to keep a pocketful though to save big bills for fun stuff, which is usually just $50 in Siem.

I get those out of ABA. Having an account there comes in handy.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2832071]PP is very Indian friendly. I would say it's second behind KL. Thailand is the least Indian friendly in SEA, at least with hot girls.[/QUOTE]In fact, I didn't have problem in Pattaya in 2018, so I am now confident that it should be good here too.

Hey SplitPersona, I will be there during in Aug. Please PM me for details.

All US dollars in Cambodia? You are plain wrong. Over a year ago the government made a push to relax the reliance on USD and subsequently most 1's and 5's are slowly going away to the point where most transactions under 10 US are done these days in Riel. That's not to say you cannot use them but it is far less common than a year or 2 ago.

Yeps at SouthEaster is 100% right. You will be lucky to see a US dollar bill now in PP. They're gone- the odd $5 - but essentially the currency move to riel has happened really fast.

My first post Covid return trip was Aug / Sep 2022, and then was back again Feb / Mar 2023 , and the speed of progression away from the USD has been fast and impressive. Basically all small purchases now happen with riel.

What's driving the death of the use of USD is also the use of scanning of your ABA QR code for payment. For anything and everything from Smile Mart to tuk tuk drivers to street sellers for your $2 / 8000 riel noodles!

So yeah. Bring USD, but you will be given change in riel and you will be constantly using riel if you don't have an ABA account!

DingoD.

[QUOTE=DingoD;2832927]Yeps at SouthEaster is 100% right. You will be lucky to see a US dollar bill now in PP. They're gone- the odd $5 - but essentially the currency move to riel has happened really fast.

My first post Covid return trip was Aug / Sep 2022, and then was back again Feb / Mar 2023 , and the speed of progression away from the USD has been fast and impressive. Basically all small purchases now happen with riel.

What's driving the death of the use of USD is also the use of scanning of your ABA QR code for payment. For anything and everything from Smile Mart to tuk tuk drivers to street sellers for your $2 / 8000 riel noodles!

So yeah. Bring USD, but you will be given change in riel and you will be constantly using riel if you don't have an ABA account!

DingoD.[/QUOTE]USD isn't dead. Something like 80% of Khmer bank accounts are denominated in USD. It's true that the use of US cash has decreased but that is as you said primarily due to the rise of ABA and QR code payments. Those transactions are almost always in USD. Anyone can and does use USD in Cambodia with no problem as long as the bills are good condition. The whole thing is really a non-issue to me bc Riel is fixed to the Dollar so they are completely interchangeable. Almost every place will price quote in both USD and Riel. Use one or the other or both it doesn't matter. The only two things you have to be careful about is receiving fake USD as change and making sure the condition of your bills is good. I personally use Riel for everyday transactions, and USD for paying bar tabs and the girls.

I am going out for Holidays but am not sure which one to choose, the traveling cost for me is high if I go to Bali, Lower if I go to Jalarta and Lowest if I go to Cambodia. So I'm confused where should I go for best mongering experience. I'm into Nuru massages which lead to the deed. And maybe also pickup girls from bar.

After 6 year I was full with expectations when landing at Phnom Penh international airport. Already in the tuktuk I get the feeling a bad feeling. All the new skyscrapers reminds of the time when Bangkok left its Thai soul.

After my incheck at the hotel I rush for the bar and the girls. " Buy me a drink ", Buy me a drink", buy me a drink" , and no shame at all about the price, lady drinks (juice) = 5 Dollar. I refuse and kindly said, please let me just sit down and having my beer first. I thought I could have little chat But No. I was left there at the table as an lonely stupid barang with my beer course was refusing paying that 5 dollar drink, which I never do if I don't know if the chatting girl go with customer or not. The problem is that the girl don't answer that question before you pay that lady drink o change after. In fact Today 9-10 girls don't go. They are so called, hostes girl and are there only for talking with you ONLY If you pay that 5 dollar drink and you also have to buy another one cours they so thirsty. During the time you maby lucky if the girls you pay the juice want to go to hotel, and the price short time, 100 dollar! If you you more lucky you can get it down to 80 dollar but then you have to pay the barfine with is 20 dollar if you not have payed a lady drink and 15 dollar if you have. This is what I was meeting in every bar on every street, 136,130, 118,51 , 5 and so on. I have been mongering all over the world and 2 times at year in Cambodia during 2000 - 2017 but never seen any change that turned so negative as in Phnom Penh. So unfriendly bargirl, like money robots with no brane at all. When I try to ask the girls, what they think about that almost every bar have no costumer, they just smile little and don't get it. Is the bar only a cloud of money washing or Visa buissiness or the Chinese not have enough by destroyed Shv. Do the bargirls who think the the tourist pay flight tickets for thousand of dollars to get there and then sit alone with a fucking beer in a girlie bar and be served with idiot prices that together with crazy lady drinks and barfines are the highest in the world today. Of course the whole net talks and of course costumer choose other destination. I miss that friendly Cambodia who cares and give time and I hate this pissed garbage girliebars system. Soon the immigration will give you an extra donky stamp beside you visa on arrival. Of course there will alway be some stupid traveler who buy this totally humiliation that have destroyed the country. For me the worst bar with the most unfriendly girls was the OSTEX Bar on 136, the corner, were a girl get angry me when I want to sit alone with my beer for a while. Cambodia and Phnom Peng thanks for all the good year, you never see me again and I will never miss you stinking pot.

Interesting, I was there for the first time this week and rather enjoyed myself. True, girls want drinks and they drink fairly quickly. The majority of them spent the time kissing with me and whenever I was interested in more, there was little problem slipping your hand in her bra or panties (while playing along with the 'shocked' reaction of course). I found that there were many cute girls and no baby damage or anything like it.

Barfines were 10 and I could talk some down to 15 after being quoted 20. Some of the girls did ask 100, with all girls where I had this talk it was very quickly down to 50. As in 'why so much, I give you 50'. A couple that didn't mention a price, I just started with 50 and it was ok.

Didn't get any drink only girls and a bunch others that I didn't want to go with, started about boomboom during the first drink. In the bigger bars with many girls (Wow, Amazing and Exotica?) I did notice that the cuter and younger girls were not calling out to me and avoiding eye contact, so I didn't pursue them.

In 4 days I had 4 girls over, and repeated one of them (so 5 bookings). One 21 year old, 2 19 year olds and an 18 year old. Average weight probably around 42 kg. Service was fine and the girls were very relaxed, happy to be there and accommodating. Was a bit sad to leave for Siem Reap, which turns out to be a place I pretty much hate.

I've been here a couple of weeks and will stay a few more days. PM me if anyone is interested in getting together for a coffee or a beer. I'm staying near river and 130/136st.

My experience here this time is much more similar to that of Free Dude than Finkel60. Depending on how eager the girl is to go, you might be able to negotiate down to $40 or $50, esp. For short time. A significant number of very new girls (less than 3 months) may be due to the industry being shut down during much of COVID. Also, a lot of options in the 18 to early 20's range, then a lot more in 20 something age bracket. And compared to previous times, it seems the percentage of girls with no child is getting pretty high. Birthrate in Cambodia has fallen to nearly 2 per woman so for those who don't like single moms, PP is getting pretty good.

The best value for money in many of these places is to take a girl or two to a sofa near the back and enjoy intimate petting and kissing in a dark area. Some places even have curtains you can close. Assume $5 per drink and you can have a pretty good time for just $30 or so on-site.

I love the 35-38 kilo spinners. It's sometimes a chore to find them in the Philippines (where I normally go). But they are great. I have a 2. 5 week trip to Bangkok coming up and am considering sidetrips either to Pattaya or PP. Where am I more likely to find some little spinners?

Great reporting, mates. It would be nice if you elaborated also on how and where you came on or with the girls and whether a condom was needed, body sdize and weight etc. Both the negative and positive reports ring true. If you can spend a little, have game and time and need a slim 18 yo, approach her. Dress nicely. Drink tea instead of alcohol and work on conversing with her. Even if she rejects a short time offer, her reputation among the older, less pretty chicks strengthens if she can entice you to throw a drink party for say 4 girls. As the night progresses, she may change her mind. Work with tuk tuk drivers to mine the gems. And report back here. Or pm me.

Don't hate Siem reap- visit KTV's there are lot of them and you can find cute looking girls over there but the charges are $80-100. It's not regular KTV's as most of them at first floor all girls sit and you can choose and have a drink and exit.

[QUOTE=FreeDude;2837094]Interesting, I was there for the first time this week and rather enjoyed myself. True, girls want drinks and they drink fairly quickly. The majority of them spent the time kissing with me and whenever I was interested in more, there was little problem slipping your hand in her bra or panties (while playing along with the 'shocked' reaction of course). I found that there were many cute girls and no baby damage or anything like it.

Barfines were 10 and I could talk some down to 15 after being quoted 20. Some of the girls did ask 100, with all girls where I had this talk it was very quickly down to 50. As in 'why so much, I give you 50'. A couple that didn't mention a price, I just started with 50 and it was ok.

Didn't get any drink only girls and a bunch others that I didn't want to go with, started about boomboom during the first drink. In the bigger bars with many girls (Wow, Amazing and Exotica?) I did notice that the cuter and younger girls were not calling out to me and avoiding eye contact, so I didn't pursue them.

In 4 days I had 4 girls over, and repeated one of them (so 5 bookings). One 21 year old, 2 19 year olds and an 18 year old. Average weight probably around 42 kg. Service was fine and the girls were very relaxed, happy to be there and accommodating. Was a bit sad to leave for Siem Reap, which turns out to be a place I pretty much hate.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Philosophus;2838114]Great reporting, mates. It would be nice if you elaborated also on how and where you came on or with the girls and whether a condom was needed, body sdize and weight etc. Both the negative and positive reports ring true. If you can spend a little, have game and time and need a slim 18 yo, approach her. Dress nicely. Drink tea instead of alcohol and work on conversing with her. Even if she rejects a short time offer, her reputation among the older, less pretty chicks strengthens if she can entice you to throw a drink party for say 4 girls. As the night progresses, she may change her mind. Work with tuk tuk drivers to mine the gems. And report back here. Or pm me.[/QUOTE]I had other reasons to be in PP but I also spent some time walking around and sampling the bars from 136 to the night market from the river to 3 blocks in. I am on my way out waiting for my flight at the airport. I did not do exhaustive research by any means. Right before this trip, I was in Pattaya for nearly a month and that was purely a rest and relaxation trip. Here are some thoughts and impressions about PP in general and in relation to Pattaya.

1. Lots of slim girls and a few chubby ones. Height mostly ranges from 153 to 163 cm, with a few out of that range. The bars seem to have many more girls than a few years ago, and people working in the bars have confirmed that with me. Some girls have a bit of a mixed look, NE Asian look, or Indian look. Some are light-skinned, a few much darker ones but usually not as dark as some of the people you see in very poor or countryside areas. The bars seem to be full of 20-somethings with a few late teens and a few 30-40 something experienced ones, often who are mamasans or play a de-facto mamasan role w their generally better English skills. In general, the industry seems to be a hybrid of what they say Angeles City was like in 2000-2010 in terms of youth and abundance of relatively inexperienced girls and modern Pattaya in terms of prices for take-out and maybe attitudes. I don't think it's nearly as easy for Western men to bond with the Khmer bargirls in PP in 2023 as it was with AC girls 15 years ago given the language and culture gaps they face here.

4. Sometimes, I would approach one or two ladies on the street around the bars, invariably the ones who looked late teens / early 20's. More often than not, they didn't speak a lick of English and were very shy. So I would just ask "do you work bar, what name". They could usually say the bar's name, and I would go there later or another day. Once there, the girls were more comfortable, and I could get help from one of the English-speaking girls or mamasan to communicate w them.

5. In Thailand, if I want to communicate w a girl who speaks no English, I can resort to writing on Google Translate. Most of them have it on their own phones too, and can write Thai to show their responses w their phones. So communication is easy in most cases. Unfortunately, in Cambodia, many Khmer girls in the bars struggle to read Khmer and may not know how to write it at all on their phones. They rely on the voice and speakerphone function of Google Translate when I pull it out. But with the music and background noise, talking to text is usually not possible. Generally, I like to build a rapport w a girl by communicating in English or w a translator. That method works a lot better on Soi 6 in Pattaya than PP.

6. Perhaps the best way to bond w a girl of your liking who is younger and doesn't speak English is to treat her and a fluent English speaker to a drink and see whether or not a private couch w curtain drawn can be arranged. Some girls, especially the very young ones who are brand new, may or may not be comfortable, so the other girl who speaks English can make it clear to you along w the girl's body language. If the girl is not comfortable but the mamasan pushes her, that's no good.

7. As I said before, it seems many girls have only been around a few weeks to a few months, so this may be a good time as COVID effect dies down. Also, many of the bars will have what they call original girls (cherry girls from the Philippines back in the day). I think these girls sometimes get propositioned by Asian guys or even local Khmers with money and the cost can be $2,000 or more to be first. I was happy to see that many of the young girls w no kids were not presented as originals, even though the bars probably could have gotten away with it. Some had been married briefly and others had had a boyfriend or even husband but were divorced.

8. I recommend checking out ID of anyone who looks on the young side. Families may lie to the bars and claim the girl is older than she really is. If no ID is available, I avoid even talking to.

9. Communication w Khmers, in general, is more challenging than w their Thai counterparts, whether or not they speak English or have any other common language with you (some know Mandarin Chinese or Thai). I noticed this w bars, hotel staff, etc. It boils down to cultural differences and mutual understanding. Thais in tourist areas have been heavily exposed to English-speaking foreigners for decades. This is much less the case in Cambodia, I believe, w a few exceptions. Thus, I sometimes find myself confused as to what is really going on and whether a person has a positive or negative impression of me in PP. I suspect Khmers may have less negative feelings and sentiment towards non-Asian foreigners but I may be wrong. I'm still trying to know Cambodia better. Khmers seem to be very stoic and serious and live a simple lifestyle. I don't see as much talking and loud chatter, joking, drama, etc. , as I see in Thailand and some other places. They also seemed calm, and I didn't see anyone lose their temper while I was there on this trip or on previous trips.

10. During my last night, I witnessed an older white foreigner outside of what I think was 136 Bar arguing w several girls and a mamasan. Apparently, he got charged for 9 drinks (3 for himself and 6 for a couple of girls he sat with for a while) and he claimed he never bought them. Bill was around $42. He told them to call the police and that he had lived in Cambodia for 20 years. Soon one officer came on a motorcycle and took the foreigner back on his bike while the mamasan and one girl followed. Note, during the whole scene, he was the only one who ever raised his voice. I decided to have a drink there w one girl who caught my eye since it was across from my hotel, and I was keen on a nightcap. A few minutes later, the mamasan came back and I asked her what happened. The girl w me already had told me what happened up to that point. It turns out the guy only had about $36 on him so the officer offered to take that and pay the other $10 himself. But he refused, so he ended up staying the night at the station. So the mamasan told me she would need to return to the station the next day and renegotiate or else she would need to pay the money out of her pocket. What struck me odd about the story (if it's true according to what they told me) is that nobody at the bar nor the police officer yelled at him or physically assaulted him. Moreover, the police did not expect a lot of extra money from him at the station and even offered to cover the shortfall. But since he refused, the mamasan told me she would need to go back to the station the next day and re-negotiate. If something like that happened in Pattaya, the guy would have been shouted down by the bar staff and the police would be a lot more brutal and expensive given his attitude. From what I saw, I don't believe they just randomly stuck him w a bill for a bunch of drinks out of nowhere. That has never happened to me in those bars this trip or on previous trips.

11. The worst thing that happened to me in PP this time was someone trying to stiff me for $10 at Ostro Hotel restaurant. I paid w a $100 bill and they gave me change w a combo of US $ and Cambodian Riel. I stood at the counter and carefully went through the bills and change but noticed as I did this the guy (maybe a manager) who they took my bill to to make change got visibly nervous and finally came over and put another $10 bill on the counter. Thus, it was an intentional error, and he was dumb enough to show his cards instead of pretending to have made a mistake.

12. I love a lot of things about PP. Of all the Southeast Asian and Northeast Asian capitals I've been to, it's the least crowded, has the lightest traffic, and is the easiest to get around. I can get pretty much anywhere in town within 10-15 minutes by tuktuk and when I order one on PassApp, it' usually arrives to pick me up within 1-3 minutes, even during rush hours. There is a lot of well-designed architecture, both colonial-era stuff and modern condos and office buildings. Government buildings and institutions are well-designed and often beautiful. The streets are relatively wide, and there are amazing parks, temples, and the riverfront of course. Cambodia is the second poorest nation on GDP per capita in all of NE / SE Asia, right after Myanmar, yet PP seems better developed in many ways than, say, Metro Manila or Jakarta, which on paper, are much wealthier. PP also has a reputation for having a lot of violent crimes such as muggings. In reality, I think the biggest risk there is having a phone or bag snatched if you don't pay attention or go to darker areas at night, such as the riverside. I am careful with my phone and bag and don't walk in dark, isolated areas at night. But in general, I feel very relaxed and safe there. It feels worlds safer than many of the most popular cities in South America or Africa that many guys on this forum go to. Also, I suspect it will get safer with time, similar to what happened with Bangkok in the 90 and early 2000's.

Another insightful report. Cambodia is dirt poor. Phnom Penh is a trashcan. Khmers are not subdued, but certainly not as exuberant crazy as some Thais can be. Many girls sit in the bars for lack of any other purpose. Make money on drinks or some nights make no money at all. So that is a peculiarity, that many young ones don't make themselves available. My experience is though, that they are all curious and desparately need money. If aou are nice and have game, they can be swayed. Often then only boom boom, no yam yam, no French kissing. But they like being pampered in bed and are orgasmic. If the girl is 18, slim and pretty, I don't mind limited service. I react strongly to her fair pink and youthful beauty. English is very poor. Cambodia is in China's orbit. The jaded, alcohol addicted older bar girls will shout brrrothaaaa after you. Not enticing. You got to control the situation, pick the sexy one and manipulate her with your generosity. As this forum states, money is the best aphrodisiac. I agree that Thailand is easier than Cambo for most mongers.

A short travelogue and my view of Phnom Penh and Cambodia July 2023.

In nearly 100 trips over 23 years to Cambodia, I have always felt that friendly welcome from people who took the time to chat for a few minutes. As a tourist, I have "almost" always been treated with respect and I have traveled there because I simply could not let go of such a fantastic country. Of course, I have also had some short times but actually more long times with the same girl as Ol sihxxxx, , whom I met a number of times, e. G. Last time in Shv. . Short times are not something I chase, I want to be able to sit down and feel the respect, the discussion, the attention and the friendship. I see the value in exchanging opinions, history, humor and a good laugh, simply hanging out with new people. So far I have always found that in Cambodia.

This time when I land in the middle of July 2023 after six years of longing. Already in the tuktuk from the airport, can I feel that a bigger change has taken place when all the skyscrapers towered up. My first hotel was the Ohana Palace Hotel and I sat there in the rooftop jacuzzi and listened to that "atmosphere" with joy and expectations. Once I started walking the streets of the well-known blocks, 136,130, 118,110, 5, I see streets that are 99% girlie bars a la Pattaya.

I sit down several times to have a beer and talk to someone. "Buy me lady drink 5 dol, "buy me lady drink 5 dol," "short time 100 dol. " " , is the only talk in all the bars. I explain that I just want to sit down with my beer. Then I get to sit there alone with my beer and feel the girls' now contempt instead of any attention or friendly glances. No one takes the time, no one cares. I'm just a shit Barang and not even worth chatting with as I'm not idiot enough to pay 5 dollar for a fucking lady juice to talk to someone who can't even speak English or accept the Paris prices 100 dollars + 20 dollars barfine for a short time.

This is repeated in bar after bar and I also leave my undrunk beer after beer. I note that I pay 1100 USA dollar to fly 11 hours to sit alone with a beer and feel unwelcome and despised because as a customer I don't pay for chat in a "bar" without first having been able to talk to the girl and see if she knows English and is nice company or know if she joins, "customer".

I am trying to understand this changed attitude towards barangs / (tourists, are the bars only there for various scams e. G. Visas or money laundering, in any case they are not there for the customers, I can probably count the customers on one hand at these 100's of bars the same at 51 an and 104/102.

If then foreigners buy up bars that don't need to make a profit, the tourists don't need to be given any direct service but an experience of cold and raw fucky fucky unserious prices in comparison with the rest of the mongering world. An industry which has changed the attitude of almost all Cambodian girls from friendly to raw money attitude.

This is why the tourists today flee Cambodia instead of returning, all the other tourists I talk to say the same thing, how unfriendly, harsh and impersonal the country has become, never again.

Then you can say that if now the girls are to have a lady drink for 5 dollars, (and keep 2. 5 dol. Themselves), in order to even keep company or talk, they should at least be able to speak English, which hardly a 5 part can. This concept is probably the stupidest thing ever seen in the whole world. Even more stupid in the way that it's actually a matter of pure idiotic explanation and humiliation towards me as a tourist, how much of a donkey do they think I am.

At the same time, the Cambodians say that nowadays it is hard and difficult to get money in Cambodia and there you scratch your head. But then they have to start by making the tourists feel welcome again and putting down the New York prices in the bars.

Nah, I didn't find that good Cambodian welcoming feeling that I've loved for over 20 years. I am still happy about this trip because now I can start traveling in the other direction again without missing Cambodia. Unfortunately. I, like many many others, am so disappointed in Cambodia that for me it no longer feels worth the money to return there. Now it will be, Medellin, Dominica and Rio again.

Maybe I moved in the wrong quarter I moved in the wrong neighborhood. Not at all I lived luxurious interspersed with backpackers on 172, I rode the river boats I greeted Ratana's family in their house in PP so I moved around in all parts of PP, I saw the worst crash at Norodom I got to see for the first time a "moto theft", that is, when guys on motorbikes in broad daylight drove and snatched the mobile phone from a walking tourist who screamed and tried to run just in case.

Another event which, according to him, illuminates the new Cambodia; After 2 days of watery diarrhea I felt compelled to go to the hospital. I had European ERV. Travel insurance a great travel insurance that also applies to illness and accident. The tuktuk takes me to Raffles medical at 51 an (old SOS clinic). Once there, they get my insurance letter to contact euro alarm, who in turn set up a case. I am examined and a bacteria in the intestine is found. Get a bag of medicine. But I can't leave the clinic. They first want payment from my travel insurance, I. E. On their account. Although European ERV broadcasts a so-called," garanty of paymenth ", then I am not allowed to leave until the actual payment has arrived in their account.

There I sit with my medicine that I cannot start taking. I ask them if I should have waited with the medicine even if I was dying despite a payment guarantee from one of the world's largest travel insurance companies, no answer. Have to wait the next whole day and suddenly they have received the money, goodbye.

At this time I am not at all surprised, once again it turns out that even ordinary working medical staff in the new to me Cambodia have the same raw and cold attitude, full of contempt for tourists. Yes, cash talk, but maybe a little kindness should also be present.

One day when I'm walking on the "riverside walk" away from the riverboats, a girl yells at me. It's a girl who recognizes me from before. She works there as an usher for the boat tours. We get in touch and I chat with her on messenger every day and I regret my experience about the prices for ladydrinks just to be able to talk to someone who doesn't know English alternative to sit alone. Of course she tells me that she now has bad kidneys and has to clean her blood once a week, cost 55 dollars, well I know where that goes. But I just ignore this and I don't forget her last text to me before I cut off our contact. "Why you want lady when you don't spend money".

When I visit a country as a tourist and respect the country / people in all parts, I think it is not an honor to receive contempt in return for no reason.

Yes, there are some lovely glimmers of light, partly because I stayed in a very good hotel, Okay Boutique Hotel str. 19, see picture and partly I saw again a friend from many years. In addition, I enjoyed being able to stretch my legs.

Worst memory. One of the evenings I go to the "Ostro Boka Pot" bar 136/5 opposite Ostro Bistro. I buy myself a beer and immediately a girl comes standing there and rubs herself against me. I explain that I want to sit alone. Then suddenly she becomes loud and narrows her eyes at me and falls a lot angry. I leave the beer and go my way, FyFan that is.

Finally, remember my first trip to Phnom Penh 2021 when I was sitting there and asked another elderly tourist, " what so special with this " ? The friendly atmospfer, he said. An atmosphere that is long gone these days.

Maybe the winds will turn for me towards Cambodia one day? Who knows.

Finkel.

Alright guys this is just based on my first night in a small area but I wanted to add what I think of the little I've seen thus far. I am with a chick already my Thai girlfriend we live in Pattaya together we are on vacation here in PP. We went to a good amount of bars only on 136 and from what I saw the chicks look better than what you would find on soi 6 but not go go bar quality so I think that's pretty good. It's not as crowded as Pattaya so that's good. One thing I must say is the drinks aren't as cheap I expected but still cheap. I already like it better than Vietnam as I thought the nightlife there was just lame.

[QUOTE=TravelingMan3;2838833] went to a good amount of bars only on 136 and from what I saw the chicks look better than what you would find on soi 6 but not go go bar quality so I think that's pretty good.[/QUOTE]

Accurate assessment.

[QUOTE=TravelingMan3;2838833] I already like it better than Vietnam as I thought the nightlife there was just lame.[/QUOTE]Pasteur Street is lame? I'd take Pasteur over Soi 6 or PP. Much more difficult to pick up a girl but that's half the fun imo.

I will be in PP Sunday the 30th for a few days. I live in Vietnam and very versed in the scene here. Would love to meet up if anyone is around.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2839029]Accurate assessment.

Pasteur Street is lame? I'd take Pasteur over Soi 6 or PP. Much more difficult to pick up a girl but that's half the fun imo.[/QUOTE]Vietnam puts PP to shame in every aspect as well as Thailand, you just have to know where to go. I have lived in Vietnam for 10 years and can speak the language so that helps. But Vietnam is a hidden gem.

[QUOTE=HanoiMongers;2839134]I will be in PP Sunday the 30th for a few days. I live in Vietnam and very versed in the scene here. Would love to meet up if anyone is around.[/QUOTE]I arrive this afternoon 30th and will be around for 3 days, then going to Kampot and then back to PP for 2 nights. Would love to meet up. First time in PP alone.

[QUOTE=HanoiMongers;2839134]I will be in PP Sunday the 30th for a few days. I live in Vietnam and very versed in the scene here. Would love to meet up if anyone is around.[/QUOTE]Hi I am arriving in PP this afternoon. It is my first time mongering in PP. Would love to meet up.

[QUOTE=HanoiMongers;2839134]I will be in PP Sunday the 30th for a few days. I live in Vietnam and very versed in the scene here. Would love to meet up if anyone is around.[/QUOTE]I would love to meet up.

[QUOTE=StillFun;2839553]I would love to meet up.[/QUOTE]Hello Guys,

Just landed in PP today, would like to meetup too I am in sun & moon hotel.

For info, updates on prices.

Sim cards 5 $.

Taxi From airport (a legit one) 15 $.

Best regards.

[QUOTE=Zboub;2840367]Hello Guys,

Just landed in PP today, would like to meetup too I am in sun & moon hotel.

For info, updates on prices.

Sim cards 5 $.

Taxi From airport (a legit one) 15 $.

Best regards.[/QUOTE]Taxi from airport: they start with 18, then 15 and eventually 12 if you keep looking at the tuktuks. Use grab when you go back to the airport, it will be quite a bit cheaper still.

For using tuktuks in the city, just check grab what the price should be, so you know what you are talking about.

Just a few pointers. I never haggled hard with bargirls and mamasans and always paid 50 for st an 10 or 15 for bar fine. I am sure these can be talked down, if you feel up for it. I never did.

Hello guys,

I am in Phnom Penh since 2 days now and I would like to share my impressions so far.

I would confirm things reported by Finkel but also infirm some others.

I stayed in street 136 130 118 5 etc and globally I was surprised by the level of the girl, nothing to compare with Pattaya where the girls are quite fatty now.

Also for the SOI 6 comparison I would say yes, it looks like it but soi 6 is opened in afternoon, I didn't see much bar open before night here.

What Finkel said also was the fact that you have to pay drinks for having girl attention, as Soi6 it's true, you will have to pay 4 $ drink to girl before talking, else you will be all alone.

And because there is so few barang here, the girls are really pushy to have some, if you know that you may be able to have good time.

BUT because there is a Big BUT, choose wisely the girl before you enter the bar because there is beautiful girls there but they mostly don't do much efforts.

At the end you finish by paying a drink to a rock, that can't talk english and the mamasan will stay for traduction, asking for drinks too.

So yeah it's quite tricky.

The other thing you need to know is that on entertainement side its quite poor. You enter bar and there is nothing to do (games, pool etc.) I mean no dancer inside, quite empty space with like 4 girls looking at you all the time.

It's really for picking up girls, but if you want to build a minimum of relationship with a girl you will have to dig.

On my first night I've got lucky, I found a nice girl, good english and very gentle, took her for longtime, two shots, night and next morning, she was keen to stay with me during the rest of my trip.

I did refused as I would like to see other horizons.

Yesterday I've got one of the worse experience, I went to ostek136 Found a very cute girl, after two drink I took her for ST, 50 USD.

It was not a ST, short time, it was SPRINT TIME, as soon as we get out bar the girl change mood, we get to the room the girl shower ultra quick and didn't even let me shower myself.

She was rushing everything, and bad surprised, she was young but already get multiple kids, bad acting, everything was fake, didn't enjoy at all.

As soon as we finished she go to clean quick, even before I finish my shower she was ready to go.

Very bad experienced, I should have been more careful about it.

If you guys have any advices on PP mongering like other places to see I taking every informations.

And still available to meet up some of you guys.

Cheers guys.

That's why I have delayed my trip indefinitely since May and most likely will not be going at all.) Don't mention the intolerable humidity and heat which one must endure all day in this part of the world! I bet if you just walk outside for about 5 to 10 minutes and back, you'll be drenched in sweat! Unless you punters are also from this type of tropical climate. It all sounds quite unpleasant an environment to be mongering in. By the way, is there smoking in bars too?

Cheers.

[QUOTE=Finkel60;2838826]A short travelogue and my view of Phnom Penh and Cambodia July 2023.

In nearly 100 trips over 23 years to Cambodia, I have always felt that friendly welcome from people who took the time to chat for a few minutes. As a tourist, I have "almost" always been treated with respect and I have traveled there because I simply could not let go of such a fantastic country. Of course, I have also had some short times but actually more long times with the same girl as Ol sihxxxx, , whom I met a number of times, e. G. Last time in Shv. . Short times are not something I chase, I want to be able to sit down and feel the respect, the discussion, the attention and the friendship. I see the value in exchanging opinions, history, humor and a good laugh, simply hanging out with new people. So far I have always found that in Cambodia.

This time when I land in the middle of July 2023 after six years of longing. Already in the tuktuk from the airport, can I feel that a bigger change has taken place when all the skyscrapers towered up. My first hotel was the Ohana Palace Hotel and I sat there in the rooftop jacuzzi and listened to that "atmosphere" with joy and expectations. Once I started walking the streets of the well-known blocks, 136,130, 118,110, 5, I see streets that are 99% girlie bars a la Pattaya.

I sit down several times to have a beer and talk to someone. "Buy me lady drink 5 dol, "buy me lady drink 5 dol," "short time 100 dol. " " , is the only talk in all the bars. I explain that I just want to sit down with my beer. Then I get to sit there alone with my beer and feel the girls' now contempt instead of any attention or friendly glances. No one takes the time, no one cares. I'm just a shit Barang and not even worth chatting with as I'm not idiot enough to pay 5 dollar for a fucking lady juice to talk to someone who can't even speak English or accept the Paris prices 100 dollars + 20 dollars barfine for a short time.

This is repeated in bar after bar and I also leave my undrunk beer after beer. I note that I pay 1100 USA dollar to fly 11 hours to sit alone with a beer and feel unwelcome and despised because as a customer I don't pay for chat in a "bar" without first having been able to talk to the girl and see if she knows English and is nice company or know if she joins, "customer".

I am trying to understand this changed attitude towards barangs / (tourists, are the bars only there for various scams e. G. Visas or money laundering, in any case they are not there for the customers, I can probably count the customers on one hand at these 100's of bars the same at 51 an and 104/102.

If then foreigners buy up bars that don't need to make a profit, the tourists don't need to be given any direct service but an experience of cold and raw fucky fucky unserious prices in comparison with the rest of the mongering world. An industry which has changed the attitude of almost all Cambodian girls from friendly to raw money attitude.

This is why the tourists today flee Cambodia instead of returning, all the other tourists I talk to say the same thing, how unfriendly, harsh and impersonal the country has become, never again.

Then you can say that if now the girls are to have a lady drink for 5 dollars, (and keep 2. 5 dol. Themselves), in order to even keep company or talk, they should at least be able to speak English, which hardly a 5 part can. This concept is probably the stupidest thing ever seen in the whole world. Even more stupid in the way that it's actually a matter of pure idiotic explanation and humiliation towards me as a tourist, how much of a donkey do they think I am.

At the same time, the Cambodians say that nowadays it is hard and difficult to get money in Cambodia and there you scratch your head. But then they have to start by making the tourists feel welcome again and putting down the New York prices in the bars.

Nah, I didn't find that good Cambodian welcoming feeling that I've loved for over 20 years. I am still happy about this trip because now I can start traveling in the other direction again without missing Cambodia. Unfortunately. I, like many many others, am so disappointed in Cambodia that for me it no longer feels worth the money to return there. Now it will be, Medellin, Dominica and Rio again.

Maybe I moved in the wrong quarter I moved in the wrong neighborhood. Not at all I lived luxurious interspersed with backpackers on 172, I rode the river boats I greeted Ratana's family in their house in PP so I moved around in all parts of PP, I saw the worst crash at Norodom I got to see for the first time a "moto theft", that is, when guys on motorbikes in broad daylight drove and snatched the mobile phone from a walking tourist who screamed and tried to run just in case.

Another event which, according to him, illuminates the new Cambodia; After 2 days of watery diarrhea I felt compelled to go to the hospital. I had European ERV. Travel insurance a great travel insurance that also applies to illness and accident. The tuktuk takes me to Raffles medical at 51 an (old SOS clinic). Once there, they get my insurance letter to contact euro alarm, who in turn set up a case. I am examined and a bacteria in the intestine is found. Get a bag of medicine. But I can't leave the clinic. They first want payment from my travel insurance, I. E. On their account. Although European ERV broadcasts a so-called," garanty of paymenth ", then I am not allowed to leave until the actual payment has arrived in their account.

There I sit with my medicine that I cannot start taking. I ask them if I should have waited with the medicine even if I was dying despite a payment guarantee from one of the world's largest travel insurance companies, no answer. Have to wait the next whole day and suddenly they have received the money, goodbye.

At this time I am not at all surprised, once again it turns out that even ordinary working medical staff in the new to me Cambodia have the same raw and cold attitude, full of contempt for tourists. Yes, cash talk, but maybe a little kindness should also be present.

One day when I'm walking on the "riverside walk" away from the riverboats, a girl yells at me. It's a girl who recognizes me from before. She works there as an usher for the boat tours. We get in touch and I chat with her on messenger every day and I regret my experience about the prices for ladydrinks just to be able to talk to someone who doesn't know English alternative to sit alone. Of course she tells me that she now has bad kidneys and has to clean her blood once a week, cost 55 dollars, well I know where that goes. But I just ignore this and I don't forget her last text to me before I cut off our contact. "Why you want lady when you don't spend money".

When I visit a country as a tourist and respect the country / people in all parts, I think it is not an honor to receive contempt in return for no reason.

Yes, there are some lovely glimmers of light, partly because I stayed in a very good hotel, Okay Boutique Hotel str. 19, see picture and partly I saw again a friend from many years. In addition, I enjoyed being able to stretch my legs.

Worst memory. One of the evenings I go to the "Ostro Boka Pot" bar 136/5 opposite Ostro Bistro. I buy myself a beer and immediately a girl comes standing there and rubs herself against me. I explain that I want to sit alone. Then suddenly she becomes loud and narrows her eyes at me and falls a lot angry. I leave the beer and go my way, FyFan that is.

Finally, remember my first trip to Phnom Penh 2021 when I was sitting there and asked another elderly tourist, " what so special with this " ? The friendly atmospfer, he said. An atmosphere that is long gone these days.

Maybe the winds will turn for me towards Cambodia one day? Who knows.

Finkel.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Zboub;2840914]Hello guys,

I am in Phnom Penh since 2 days now and I would like to share my impressions so far.

I would confirm things reported by Finkel but also infirm some others.

I stayed in street 136 130 118 5 etc and globally I was surprised by the level of the girl, nothing to compare with Pattaya where the girls are quite fatty now.

Also for the SOI 6 comparison I would say yes, it looks like it but soi 6 is opened in afternoon, I didn't see much bar open before night here.

What Finkel said also was the fact that you have to pay drinks for having girl attention, as Soi6 it's true, you will have to pay 4 $ drink to girl before talking, else you will be all alone.

And because there is so few barang here, the girls are really pushy to have some, if you know that you may be able to have good time.

BUT because there is a Big BUT, choose wisely the girl before you enter the bar because there is beautiful girls there but they mostly don't do much efforts.

At the end you finish by paying a drink to a rock, that can't talk english and the mamasan will stay for traduction, asking for drinks too.

So yeah it's quite tricky.

The other thing you need to know is that on entertainement side its quite poor. You enter bar and there is nothing to do (games, pool etc.) I mean no dancer inside, quite empty space with like 4 girls looking at you all the time.

It's really for picking up girls, but if you want to build a minimum of relationship with a girl you will have to dig.

On my first night I've got lucky, I found a nice girl, good english and very gentle, took her for longtime, two shots, night and next morning, she was keen to stay with me during the rest of my trip.

I did refused as I would like to see other horizons.

Yesterday I've got one of the worse experience, I went to ostek136 Found a very cute girl, after two drink I took her for ST, 50 USD.

It was not a ST, short time, it was SPRINT TIME, as soon as we get out bar the girl change mood, we get to the room the girl shower ultra quick and didn't even let me shower myself.

She was rushing everything, and bad surprised, she was young but already get multiple kids, bad acting, everything was fake, didn't enjoy at all.

As soon as we finished she go to clean quick, even before I finish my shower she was ready to go.

Very bad experienced, I should have been more careful about it.

If you guys have any advices on PP mongering like other places to see I taking every informations.

And still available to meet up some of you guys.

Cheers guys.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=HornyMonger;2841249]That's why I have delayed my trip indefinitely since May and most likely will not be going at all.) Don't mention the intolerable humidity and heat which one must endure all day in this part of the world! I bet if you just walk outside for about 5 to 10 minutes and back, you'll be drenched in sweat! Unless you punters are also from this type of tropical climate. It all sounds quite unpleasant an environment to be mongering in. By the way, is there smoking in bars too?

Cheers.[/QUOTE]I love the hot steamy climate, it is my idea of heaven and I'm from the north of England. And great food if you stick to local. I had my first encounter in Cambodia, in Siem Reap where I am staying for Angkor. Walking past night market street a young woman with a massage list came running to me. $10 for a massage. So I thought wtf. Into a room with mattress on floor I stripped and she covered me half heartedly with a scrawny towel. The massage wasn't very good but I never expected it to be. I just was happy she didn't injure me or steal my debit card (which happened in Bali to me, they got nothing though). At turn, another girl came in to bargain with me for HR. It started at 50, I started at 15. In the end I got for $25. The 2nd girl left. The first girl took her top off and revealed small breasts. She gave me a standard handjob. Much to my amazement I came easily. So whilst the whole business wasn't very raunchy it did have a happy ending.

Three days in Phnom Penh. One hit and 2 misses. The hit was a lovely girl I met in one of the girly bars on 136 street. Lots of snogging and touching in the bar from the very First Lady drink. And then I bar fined her after 2 lady drinks: 50 dollars plus 10 dollar bar fine. The two misses. Picked up a freelancer on the river walk and she turned out to be a lady boy when I got her to my hotel. I should have guessed. Too cheap $20 - anyway gave her the money and said goodbye. The other miss: went to a massage place for $5, awful massage. On the turn asked if I wanted happy ending. I said yes and managed to bargain down from 50 to 25. But she was crap, and showed no interest. I lost my desire, and left. Don't make stupid decisions when you are tired and a bit drunk.

Oh I have been in Kampot for 4 days. A lovely laidback town with a pleasant river, lots of decaying but interesting buildings, a dozen or more girly bars and a smattering of massage parlours. Passing one grotty looking massage parlour, I got a shout. I went in and looked. Two girls, one thin and probably 40, the other pleasant, plump, mid 30's. 5 dollar massage. The room was incredibly basic, not so much dirty as poor. She spoke little English and as I suspected she immediately began going boom boom. We agreed on 30 $ including 'massage'. I decided on caution and went for ow and no penetration. But to my astonishment she really got into foreplay and we had a delightful hour of very raunchy cuddling She came noisily and intensely which was a delight She put a lot of effort into making me come which I did All in all an excellent session.

This place is on the parallel street to the river near a Portuguese restaurant.

My final Cambodia report from Phnom Penh:

Went to a quiet little girly bar and chose a cute buxom girl to drink with. Within minutes we were exchanging tongues (LOL). The mammaSan came and sat with us because the girl didn't speak English. I asked her age. She was 21. I ended up buying the mammasan 2 drinks and the girl, Lek 3. I ended up snogging the mammaSan too and had both of them rubbing my shorts. It was great fun. I agreed a 15 dollar barfine and 50 for the girl for 2 hours. But when we got to my hotel and she showed ID, they said she was only 18 and wouldn't let her in. So I decided not to make a fuss, said goodbye to the girl and walked away. The only thing I really lost was the 15. I had enjoyed the bar.

So I decided to chance a massage place since I did not want to pay another bar fine. Found a place by the night market on the river road - 30 including a half decent massage and a good happy ending. Now on bus to Vietnam.

[QUOTE=StillFun;2841814]My final Cambodia report from Phnom Penh:

Went to a quiet little girly bar and chose a cute buxom girl to drink with. Within minutes we were exchanging tongues (LOL). The mammaSan came and sat with us because the girl didn't speak English. I asked her age. She was 21. I ended up buying the mammasan 2 drinks and the girl, Lek 3. I ended up snogging the mammaSan too and had both of them rubbing my shorts. It was great fun. I agreed a 15 dollar barfine and 50 for the girl for 2 hours. But when we got to my hotel and she showed ID, they said she was only 18 and wouldn't let her in. So I decided not to make a fuss, said goodbye to the girl and walked away. The only thing I really lost was the 15. I had enjoyed the bar.

So I decided to chance a massage place since I did not want to pay another bar fine. Found a place by the night market on the river road - 30 including a half decent massage and a good happy ending. Now on bus to Vietnam.[/QUOTE]Since when a girl can't come to the room if she s 18? What's the problem?

Hey. I am in PP 17-20 August. Anyone there who'the want to join forces?

I am 37 years and working in SE asia, and been there 3-4 times.

I am interested in "fashion / talent shows" as one of the locals told me that's where the most beautiful girla are. Any thoughts?

[QUOTE=Muzungufotsy;2841924]Since when a girl can't come to the room if she s 18? What's the problem?[/QUOTE]Hotels in Cambodia do not allow under 20's in. And this was the best girl friendly hotel in town.

At maoser, I might be in the area, but I'm not experienced so can't give you any good tips on those intriguing fashion shows!

Visited darlin darlin today for a drink. Good atmosphere more cater toward older Chinese gambler.

Good quality girls so I picked small energetic girl from the crowd asked for $15 for a company. Turn out to be $50 at the end.

I asked for the price later on, she told me $200 for ST $400 for LT which was ridiculous and said all the girls are the same rate. Just finish my drink and left.

Is this just a freak incident of golden pussy or is that an actual rate at darlin now?

I am in Phnom Penh and up for a meet to join forces. Game to go find the most beautiful ladies as you suggest, but would also like to explore the other options. Private message me here and let's connect.

[QUOTE=Maoser;2842330]Hey. I am in PP 17-20 August. Anyone there who'the want to join forces?

I am 37 years and working in SE asia, and been there 3-4 times.

I am interested in "fashion / talent shows" as one of the locals told me that's where the most beautiful girla are. Any thoughts?[/QUOTE]

At rochard I'm in the area, can't DM though. Meet somewhere for a drink?

I've found a place near the action called Harry's. It said it was where people meet up, so hope to see some of you down there over the next couple of evenings.

Hi guys,

I have RTFF in readiness for my trip in a few weeks time and will be sure to report back with my findings!

What's the verdict on the FL scene (I. E. You want to avoid going into a bar) and are the FL's still located around what Phnom Roundabout?

Many thanks!

I'll be in Phnom Penh again next week from Tuesday to Sunday. Anyone is interested to take a beer and watch some girls. I am going to discover the fashion shows that's being marketed by the locals.

Anybody know what's open and what's closed for this holiday?

Bars, shops, pharmacies?

[QUOTE=JohnTraveller;2847965]Anybody know what's open and what's closed for this holiday?

Bars, shops, pharmacies?[/QUOTE]It's one of Cambodia's major holidays so people in PP often go back to their hometowns or elsewhere for the weekend. Some family owned shops and restaurants may close but that's it. It really just depends but you won't have any problems finding something if you need it. As for the bars, some bar girls go back to their provinces but in general the girly bars will stay open and there will still be girls available, just maybe not as many as a normal weekend.

I can speak Khmer but not experienced at all in mongering scene. Looking to have a few buddies for girly bars and maybe some local KTV scene. Of course we're going Dutch in term of bill. State your time and date and I'll try to coordinate. Either we all learning new experiences or some experienced bro can show us the rope.

Been seeing these little dingy looking passage parlor in residential area all over PP. Decided to try it last night and check out the this type of mongering scene first hand.

1st spot: Street 2004. As I drive by this shop, the girls called out to me in Chinese saying Boom Boom. Went in and indicate I'm actually Cambodian. Told them I want a massage. Picked a friendly girl and she led me to the little wooden partition inside the house. Told to strip down to my underwear and lay facedown. Massage and conversation started. I was expecting her to start doing something naughty that can end up in Happy Ending. Nope! Nothing happened. Terrible massage and that's all there is to it. Massage itself is $2. 5 and I gave her $5. Maybe because I'm Cambodian and look like I'm rather innocent so the girl didn't dare to offer to avoid me looking down on her (Cambodian mentality at play here.) she was friendly enough and I like her. Too bad I got blue ball here. Should have just asked her straight up instead. Mistake #1.

2nd spot: after the blue balled situation in the first spot, I went to the Chinese street neighborhood in front of the airport. A bit of massage shops in the side street. Drove around and went in to a secluded shop. This time I pretended to be Chinese and speak Chinese to them to inquire about prices. Massage $5, boom boom $20. Picked my girl and headed up stair. Room is dark with one night light on. No shower in the room and we both didn't wash before the act either (I prefer wash up before and after the act to be honest.) During the act, she is a star fish and I can start to smell an off putting odor from down there. At this point I just want to finish quickly to be on my way home to shower. No smiling through the session until I handed her $20 plus $2. 5 tip.

Conclusion: if you don't care about sanitation level and just want a cheap boom boom, these are your spot. Make sure you discuss about the price before hand for all the services you want. Also, make sure your money and items are never out of your sight because I think one of the spot steal $10 from my bag because I purposely only carried $40 with me and I only have $5 left when I got home. I was expecting this. Overall, this isn't my kind of fun. I want to build rapport with the girls first before the act so I can at least try to weed out the star fish in the future and get to actually have fun and not just a partnered "masturbation".

On to the beer bar scene next.

Been seeing these little dingy looking massage parlor in residential area all over PP. Decided to try it last night and check out the this type of mongering scene first hand.

1st spot: Street 2004. As I drive by this shop, the girls called out to me in Chinese saying Boom Boom. Went in and indicate I'm actually Cambodian. Told them I want a massage. Picked a friendly girl and she led me to the little wooden partition inside the house. Told to strip down to my underwear and lay facedown. Massage and conversation started. I was expecting her to start doing something naughty that can end up in Happy Ending. Nope! Nothing happened. Terrible massage and that's all there is to it. Massage itself is $2. 5 and I gave her $5. Maybe because I'm Cambodian and look like I'm rather innocent so the girl didn't dare to offer to avoid me looking down on her (Cambodian mentality at play here.) she was friendly enough and I like her. Too bad I got blue ball here. Should have just asked her straight up instead. Mistake #1.

2nd spot: after the blue balled situation in the first spot, I went to the Chinese street neighborhood in front of the airport. A bit of massage shops in the side street. Drove around and went in to a secluded shop. This time I pretended to be Chinese and speak Chinese to them to inquire about prices. Massage $5, boom boom $20. Picked my girl and headed up stair. Room is dark with one night light on. No shower in the room and we both didn't wash before the act either (I prefer wash up before and after the act to be honest.) During the act, she is a star fish and I can start to smell an off putting odor from down there. At this point I just want to finish quickly to be on my way home to shower. No smiling through the session until I handed her $20 plus $2. 5 tip.

Conclusion: if you don't care about sanitation level and just want a cheap boom boom, these are your spot. Make sure you discuss about the price before hand for all the services you want. Also, make sure your money and items are never out of your sight because I think one of the spot steal $10 from my bag because I purposely only carried $40 with me and I only have $5 left when I got home. I was expecting this. Overall, this isn't my kind of fun. I want to build rapport with the girls first before the act so I can at least try to weed out the star fish in the future and get to actually have fun and not just a partnered "masturbation".

On to the beer bar scene next.

I'm heading back to Cambodia this weekend. I just read a report on the massage shacks near the airport and that's the area I'll be staying.

[QUOTE=Mongering1;2850662]I'm heading back to Cambodia this weekend. I just read a report on the massage shacks near the airport and that's the area I'll be staying.[/QUOTE]Depend on what you want to do, airport area can be 30 minutes out from the beer bar scene unless you want KTV which there are some nearby. I'm currently looking for buddies to explore the mongering scene with. Been going at it solo so far. Let me know if you keen to explore with me. Of course I'll pay for my own share of fun so don't worry about some bad online guy scamming ya.

[QUOTE=StillFun;2841814]My final Cambodia report from Phnom Penh:

Went to a quiet little girly bar and chose a cute buxom girl to drink with. Within minutes we were exchanging tongues (LOL). The mammaSan came and sat with us because the girl didn't speak English. I asked her age. She was 21. I ended up buying the mammasan 2 drinks and the girl, Lek 3. I ended up snogging the mammaSan too and had both of them rubbing my shorts. It was great fun. I agreed a 15 dollar barfine and 50 for the girl for 2 hours. But when we got to my hotel and she showed ID, they said she was only 18 and wouldn't let her in. So I decided not to make a fuss, said goodbye to the girl and walked away. The only thing I really lost was the 15. I had enjoyed the bar.

So I decided to chance a massage place since I did not want to pay another bar fine. Found a place by the night market on the river road - 30 including a half decent massage and a good happy ending. Now on bus to Vietnam.[/QUOTE]Great report bro. How much was each lady drink?

[QUOTE=HelloIm;2851680]Great report bro. How much was each lady drink?[/QUOTE]LD range from $4-6. A glass with ice is $4. A bottle cost $6. That's the price for white cat bar.

If I want to take girls back, hotel or airbnb, which one is better?

I prefer short skinny dark skin girls,LOL.

I have read lots of reports. None mention Disco bars where lots of freelancers hang out. Have not been there since Covid. Will be there next month staying at Naga. Previously I have had good success in LT girls who I met in Disco bars. Hoping to repeat. Yes, I have taken girls from girlie bars but they are hit and miss and generally want only ST.

Will try girls at Darling in Naga but not sure how stuck up they are.

If anyone has any info on freelancer disco bars please post. Thanks.

[QUOTE=Sammon;2853272]Will try girls at Darling in Naga but not sure how stuck up they are.[/QUOTE]Not stuck up. They're pretty happy once you pay them so much.

[QUOTE=LastDrop;2850846]Depend on what you want to do, airport area can be 30 minutes out from the beer bar scene unless you want KTV which there are some nearby. I'm currently looking for buddies to explore the mongering scene with. Been going at it solo so far. Let me know if you keen to explore with me. Of course I'll pay for my own share of fun so don't worry about some bad online guy scamming ya.[/QUOTE]I've explored the area the last time I lived here on a bicycle! I have a house now in the area, near the K Mall. My buddy drove us around a bit last week, he likes the restaurants that you can choose a lady to sit with you. Last week I went and was quoted Riverside prices, but they came down to $50ST fairly easily.

One of the main roads have ladies standing on the street for $20, I haven't sampled any yet.

I have a motorcycle, but I haven't ridden in years, so I need some time to get my coordination back.

How do you get around?

[QUOTE=LastDrop;2850846]Depend on what you want to do, airport area can be 30 minutes out from the beer bar scene unless you want KTV which there are some nearby. I'm currently looking for buddies to explore the mongering scene with. Been going at it solo so far. Let me know if you keen to explore with me. Of course I'll pay for my own share of fun so don't worry about some bad online guy scamming ya.[/QUOTE]I'm heading to Phnom Penh next week and interested to explore mongering with someone. PM me so we can connect.

Hi All, I'm traveling Phnom Penh next week for a couple of days before leaving to Siem Reap to visit Angorwat. I booked at Ostro. Is this a good hotel and area to finding FL or girl bar to take them back to my hotel.

Arrived in Phnom Penh in the afternoon. USA to taipei to Phnom Penh on Eva air. As usual one of the best airlines of the world. Staying at Naga 2. Got a great deal on Agoda while back for $70 dollars a night including breakfast. Nice 5 star hotel with all the amenities. Room is bit smaller but adequate. I am sure there are bigger rooms. For me and my hobby it is sufficient.

Took a nap and went to street 106 to 110 area. Had dinner. Walked around and saw lots of bars with plenty of ladies inviting outside. Went to one bar on the side street. Mamasan came and I told her I just want one girl for ST. She brought 5 girls to choose from. I chose one and the offer of $60 was accepted. Had one beer and took tuk tuk for $2 to the hotel. Shower and had fun with the girl. She pent approximately 2 hours. No English spoken. Seems like a real country girl. Definitely not a porn star but accommodating for my needs. Turned her loose with $10 tip. Went to the casino but not crowded at all. Maybe slow because of rainy season. Saw lots of freelancers. Tried to talk to one but no English.

Wanted to go to Darling to check out but got hit by jet lag and slept. Will check out the action today.

[QUOTE=HelloIm;2851680]Great report bro. How much was each lady drink?[/QUOTE]In Thailand, one can check the DL ID as it's in English and Thai to see the exact birth year. Their birth year is listed in both in Gregorian and Buddhist years. However, I am not familiar with Cambodian ID cards. Do they provide a similar English listing or only in Khymer?

[QUOTE=Tomasb;2858220]In Thailand, one can check the DL ID as it's in English and Thai to see the exact birth year. Their birth year is listed in both in Gregorian and Buddhist years. However, I am not familiar with Cambodian ID cards. Do they provide a similar English listing or only in Khymer?[/QUOTE]I believe the drink was $6 but I did not buy the girl any drink. I had a beer myself Angkor beer which was $2. I told mamasan I have no intention to hangout there. Just to take a girl for ST. Naga does not check I. D. So I never checked her I. D. Young nice country girl. All floors are accessed by room card.

Day 2- Nice breakfast buffet at Naga. Went nearby Bliss spa for hot stone massage for $50 -90 minutes. Very nice place, clean and excellent massage. Went to the casino and played Blackjack for couple of hours. There were some girls but they did not speak English Took a nap. Went for a tasty seafood dinner around St. 104. Once again lots of girls outside bars enticing to go inside. Did not venture.

Went back to the casino and played some more blackjack. Tempted to go to Pontoon club but it opens only at 10 pm. Back to the casino. Went to Darling Darling. Lots of girls lined up on one side to be picked. Talked to few good looking ones but they all said $300 all night. All looked like they are over 25 to 30 of age. Had one margarita which was $6. Watched the band and the show. Decided to go back to the room. Once outside this girl caught my eye (pic attached). She could speak English. Initially only wanted me to take her inside and buy her a drink. I ordered same margarita and she had few beers. Total cost $20. We had a great time playing together, joking and touching. Pleasant girl. We danced a little. Time to discuss money. I offered her $100 all night. She countered with usual $300. I told her her boom boom is very expensive for Cambodia. Negotiations went on for better part of an hour. Ultimately settled on $150 with two shots. Lovely girl. No smell. Tried BB but no go. Condom sex first and I went to sleep. She was watching TV for a while and we both slept. Got up and had another round. Went to breakfast and she left. No demand for tip or transport money. Would not allow any naked pics.

Booked a massage at Bliss and hopefully tonight will hit pontoon.

Google translate is an excellent way to check the ID, just use the camera function. As a matter of fact, I'm constantly using Google translate for practically everything from looking at menus as well as casual conversation at the rural KTVs and massage places. I've actually helped negotiate for my Khmer friends.

I still haven't paid more than $50 anywhere yet, my measly budget dictates that. I get refused of course, but I have found what I wanted fairly quickly every time I went out looking. Again, I give credit to Google translate, especially in noisy environments.

[QUOTE=Sammon;2858327]Went back to the casino and played some more blackjack. Tempted to go to Pontoon club but it opens only at 10 pm. Back to the casino. Went to Darling Darling. Lots of girls lined up on one side to be picked. Talked to few good looking ones but they all said $300 all night. [/QUOTE]$300 for a Darling girl? WTF. Casino must have lots of winners. (edit - ok I read your entire post and see that's a starting sucker price)

Casino question. Never really ventured on to the casino floor before but do they have poker tables there? Is the casino full of smoke?

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2858523]$300 for a Darling girl? WTF. Casino must have lots of winners. (edit - ok I read your entire post and see that's a starting sucker price)

Casino question. Never really ventured on to the casino floor before but do they have poker tables there? Is the casino full of smoke?[/QUOTE]Well if the girls work for the Casino then I guess in the end the Casino does always win. Loose blackjack and craps, win it back with the cracks.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2858523]$300 for a Darling girl? WTF. Casino must have lots of winners. (edit - ok I read your entire post and see that's a starting sucker price)

[/QUOTE]Yeah, but pre-covid the starting Darling Darling sucker price used to be $150 and the girls quickly accepted a $100 counter offer. Oh well, its the same same all over. Prices have gone through the roof in most of the world's top tiered honky tonks.

I wonder what an hour with a "super model" class Famila Nobre sauna girl in Macau would cost today. When I was last in Macau back in June 2019. The Macau "super models" were going for $350 US / per session. Ah, the good old days. 555.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2858523]$300 for a Darling girl? WTF. Casino must have lots of winners. (edit - ok I read your entire post and see that's a starting sucker price)

Casino question. Never really ventured on to the casino floor before but do they have poker tables there? Is the casino full of smoke?[/QUOTE]Yes, $300 for mind you LT price quoted by all. One said $200 but she is not pretty. Not sure if they have poker tables. I only play blackjack. No, it is not full of smoke because the ceiling is high and not everyone smoked. Even at Darling it was not smoky (pic attached).

Day 3- went for a massage at Bliss. Went back to the casino after but nobody playing at blackjack tables. Do not like playing alone. Watched some news and some sports. Took a nap. In the evening went to pontoon. Not too crowded at 10.30 pm. Started talking to a girl and she would not come down from $100. Little chubby, older possibly 30. (pic attached). Nice boobs but put some restrictions to what I can do with them. Although agreed LT left after one shot, one hour. I was in no mood to argue. After that went back to the casino and made that $100. Sex was not great with her.

Phnom Penh has changed. I used to find nice girls before covid. Except for 5 star Naga Hotel and massage girls asking too much money and no GFE.

Would not make a return trip anytime soon.

Off to Pattaya this morning.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2858523]do they have poker tables there?[/QUOTE]Yes. It's on the second floor.

I went to Macau and Familia Nobre several years ago. Maybe around winter if 2016. Fantastic girls and environment. Can't remember what I paid but more like $150 all in.

Glad I visited them as no way I am paying $350 z.

[QUOTE=AxelHeyst;2858531]Yeah, but pre-covid the starting Darling Darling sucker price used to be $150 and the girls quickly accepted a $100 counter offer. Oh well, it’s the same same all over. Prices have gone through the roof in most of the world's top tiered honky tonks.

I wonder what an hour with a "super model" class Famila Nobre sauna girl in Macau would cost today. When I was last in Macau back in June 2019. The Macau "super models" were going for $350 US / per session. Ah, the good old days. 555.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Finkel60;2838826]Yes, there are some lovely glimmers of light, partly because I stayed in a very good hotel, Okay Boutique Hotel str. 19, see picture and partly I saw again a friend from many years. In addition, I enjoyed being able to stretch my legs..[/QUOTE]Sir Finkel,

Thanks for the outstanding report.

Does Okay Boutique allow visitors?

P.S. - I am:

1) A seasoned hobbyist. USA, Mexico, Ukraine, Japan & Thailand.

2) A contributor to ISG.

[QUOTE=Tomasb;2858798]I went to Macau and Familia Nobre several years ago. Maybe around winter if 2016. Fantastic girls and environment. Can't remember what I paid but more like $150 all in.

Glad I visited them as no way I am paying $350 z.[/QUOTE]We're off topic here, but a recent report on the Macau thread had this to say about FN: "3800 for the Vietnamese model quality 60 minute FS" -- or about US 472!

I'll be in Cambodia for literally 20 hours on November 4th (landing at like 23:00) . (doing a milage run to keep / maintain some status, pickup a few things in HK for the fam, and head back to Taiwan to drop off fam stuff and then Canada for some work).

I figured, I would grab a hotel room to get cleaned up and head out before heading back to the hotel and then out to the airport but while in the area would stop in to check out the local flora.

I've RTFF-ed and it seems Cambodians use Wechat? Is that correct? Do they use Line?

I've used TF in Thailand and am using it now for an upcoming trip to PP.

I'm not hideous. I haven't received one reply. Matter of fact, 98% of my messages are unread.

Is there a better dating app for PP? I'm just trying to schedule a girl before I land.

[QUOTE=Mongering1;2853498]I've explored the area the last time I lived here on a bicycle! I have a house now in the area, near the K Mall. My buddy drove us around a bit last week, he likes the restaurants that you can choose a lady to sit with you. Last week I went and was quoted Riverside prices, but they came down to $50ST fairly easily. [/QUOTE]Hi! Where are these restaurants located at? Any particular ones that is good? Would like to know more as I will be going over in PP next week! .

[QUOTE=Vendelo;2865117]I've RTFF-ed and it seems Cambodians use Wechat? Is that correct? Do they use Line?[/QUOTE]Telegram app is what I've been using.

[QUOTE=HornyHelmet;2866268]Hi! Where are these restaurants located at? Any particular ones that is good? Would like to know more as I will be going over in PP next week! .[/QUOTE]I can't name a good one since I haven't been to many lately. It's completely different than Riverside as you are literally in a restaurant and the girl is eating with you and usually in a group setting. If you don't know any of the local language, you're going to have a hard time because even Google translate will only get you so far because it's quite noisy there. The girls actually leaving with you is extremely hit or miss and a lot of the times you have to wait until the restaurant closes. Honestly wouldn't recommend it for a short trip as it's more of a long game type of thing?

[QUOTE=Vendelo;2865117]I've RTFF-ed and it seems Cambodians use Wechat? Is that correct? Do they use Line?[/QUOTE]A lot of apps are commonly used. Mostly of Asian origin. You can expect almost anyone with a phone to have:

- Tik Tok.

- Facebook messenger.

- Line.

- Whatsapp.

- Wechat.

- Viber.

That's in order of popularity.

[QUOTE=Mongering1;2866472]Telegram app is what I've been using.[/QUOTE]Thank you.

[QUOTE=RickRock;2866479]A lot of apps are commonly used. Mostly of Asian origin. You can expect almost anyone with a phone to have:

- Tik Tok.

- Facebook messenger.

- Line.

- Whatsapp.

- Wechat.

- Viber.

That's in order of popularity.[/QUOTE]Thank you.

What a frickin' joke of a website. I paid $40 for a month. I knew someone was sketchy when I got bombarded by messages from pretty girls. That. Does. Not. Happen!

They immediately want to move to TrulyThai or other Truly websites, or jpndate, or whatever. They decline to move to whatsapp, Line or wechat (that's a flag!

Fuck that website.

Most likely pics are stolen. From they write English, most likely scammer-men from China.

For those that remember Walkabout, it seems that the old Black Cat bar right down the street is the new place for the freelancers in that area. I took a couple to a nearby short time guest house and can confirm they are still wacky as ever. I believe 20 bucks is the going rate, I got the two for 30.

[QUOTE=Mongering1;2866775]For those that remember Walkabout, it seems that the old Black Cat bar right down the street is the new place for the freelancers in that area. I took a couple to a nearby short time guest house and can confirm they are still wacky as ever. I believe 20 bucks is the going rate, I got the two for 30.[/QUOTE]How was the quality of the two girls - 0 to 10?

There are a few Cambodian girls on TF. Its still a waste of time. I messaged a mix of Thais and Cambodians. My results:

Messaged - 69.

Of those 69:

Read my message but no reply - 5.

Unread - 61.

Read and replied - 3 (after one or two replies, they ghosted me LOL).

[QUOTE=Vendelo;2866825]How was the quality of the two girls - 0 to 10?[/QUOTE]I have to be honest, probably 5's. Definitely the least attractive venue.

I see, thanks for the tips Mongering1. For the freelances, how's the experience and quality like? I read some report elsewhere that it might not be safe as they might try to pick pocket.

I don't read anything about Le Cyrcee. Did it survive COVID? If still open anyone know the current rates? Used to be one of my favorite places to go. Liked it cause it opened around 6 pm.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2866896]I don't read anything about Le Cyrcee. Did it survive COVID? If still open anyone know the current rates? Used to be one of my favorite places to go. Liked it cause it opened around 6 pm.[/QUOTE]I'll be in PP next week and am planning to check out Cyrcee. I'll report back.

It will be my first time in PP; any advice for Cyrcee?

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2866896]I don't read anything about Le Cyrcee. Did it survive COVID? If still open anyone know the current rates? Used to be one of my favorite places to go. Liked it cause it opened around 6 pm.[/QUOTE]Cyrcee is still going strong. You can see a review I did just over a year ago in Oct 2022 , my first return visit post Covid open up, plus I did drop in in March this year as well. Appears I was too lazy to review my adventures from earlier this year.

So to summarise. Pretty much nothing has changed in regards to opening hours and bar set up, amount of girls in the bar, the motives of the girls in the bar. Still in my opinion the best 'point and shoot (a load)' bar in Phnom Penh.

I guess one thing that has changed is the price, with the average going short time rate essentially $50 - you might be able to bargain harder for a little cheaper, I didn't bother. But I acknowledge the rates have certainly gone up from the $30-$40 you could easily negotiate back in 2019/2020.

Looking forward to my return, likely for Khmer New Year in April 2024 !

Have fun.

DingoD.

[QUOTE=DingoD;2867050]Cyrcee is still going strong.[/QUOTE]I was a big Cyrcee fan in the early years, when you could still get a room on premises. That of course is no longer possible, and overall quality has gone down. But I agree: if you just want a quickie, it doesn't get more convenient. If you get scrummed when you sit down (not sure this even happens any more -- not so many girls), my approach is just buy a drink for any one of them. She'll sit with you and the others will back off, so you can take your time and pick one at leisure.

I prefer long time and over night. Are some of the Cyrcee girls available for over night?

[QUOTE=Betong;2867067]I was a big Cyrcee fan in the early years, when you could still get a room on premises. That of course is no longer possible, and overall quality has gone down. But I agree: if you just want a quickie, it doesn't get more convenient. If you get scrummed when you sit down (not sure this even happens any more -- not so many girls), my approach is just buy a drink for any one of them. She'll sit with you and the others will back off, so you can take your time and pick one at leisure.[/QUOTE]Hey Betong. If you refer back to my report #8164 on 28 October 2022 you will see that there is still an on site room available upstairs AND the swarming and hands everywhere routine is still par for the course when you first enter if the bar isn't busy with other customers.

It's good to know in this ever changing world some things are still the same huh!

Enjoy.

[QUOTE=DingoD;2867335] . . . still an on site room available.[/QUOTE]Thanks, good to know. I know for a while he had to shut it down but perhaps now the pressure has relaxed. I've never minded the Walk of Pride around the corner to the Happiness Guest House but I do feel a bit sorry for the girls. You can see they're hoping not to bump into anyone they know.

[QUOTE=Betong;2867355]Thanks, good to know. I know for a while he had to shut it down but perhaps now the pressure has relaxed. I've never minded the Walk of Pride around the corner to the Happiness Guest House but I do feel a bit sorry for the girls. You can see they're hoping not to bump into anyone they know.[/QUOTE]Ahhhh Happiness Guest House on St. 51, good memories, good times!

I have RTFF but did not find any information on Baccara.

Quick question, can you take a girl from Baccara?

I will be there in 2 weeks and will report back.

[QUOTE=Vendelo;2867266]I prefer long time and over night. Are some of the Cyrcee girls available for over night?[/QUOTE]I have taken Cyrcee girls overnight but this was pre-COVID.

[QUOTE=Betong;2867067]overall quality has gone down. But I agree: if you just want a quickie, it doesn't get more convenient. If you get scrummed when you sit down (not sure this even happens any more -- not so many girls), my approach is just buy a drink for any one of them. She'll sit with you and the others will back off, so you can take your time and pick one at leisure.[/QUOTE]I do the same. Pick the best of the bunch you see and buy her a drink. Most of the time it's pretty obvious which is the best girl. Then feel the stare of every other girl in the place hoping you change your mind and select them instead.

Cyrcee has never been a place for many lookers but there have been some real gems there if you went often. I never used their rooms or the hotel beside the bar. Always took the 1-2 USD tuk tuk ride back to my Riverside hotel.

[QUOTE=DingoD;2867050]Cyrcee is still going strong. You can see a review I did just over a year ago in Oct 2022 , my first return visit post Covid open up, plus I did drop in in March this year as well. Appears I was too lazy to review my adventures from earlier this year.[/QUOTE]

Thanks yes that was the most recent report I saw. I always paid the Cyrcee girls $50 which is more than they had asked. Reason being is I have never been rushed by a Cyrcee girl always staying longer than the alotted time or went out to eat dinner with me after.

This is a real long shot. Does anyone know the whereabouts of ANY girl who used to work at Same Same but Different bar on Street 110? I know it's been shut down for years. They all knew me well and I am looking to reconnect with one girl in particular.

[QUOTE=Betong;2867355]Thanks, good to know. I know for a while he had to shut it down but perhaps now the pressure has relaxed.[/QUOTE]The upstairs rooms were always available for regulars. Not sure if the rooms now are available for first timers.

[QUOTE=Vendelo;2867266]I prefer long time and over night. Are some of the Cyrcee girls available for over night?[/QUOTE]Some are. Depends on the girl. Many of the girls do not want to do overnight. Some has kids they have to take care of. One has a husband (who doesn't know; he thinks she's a waitress who makes amazing tips, I guess). Many of them do not want to be dead tired the next day.

That being said, probably most are available if you offer them enough money.

[QUOTE=Banana Boi;2867501]Cyrcee has never been a place for many lookers but there have been some real gems there if you went often.[/QUOTE]

There were some stunners there when I first went there around 2003.

An Na is decent. Ap Pul's cousin is probably the best one. She's relatively new; she started several years ago. But I never barfined her because she's a No. No lesbian show, no this, no that. It's because she's the most popular one, and she doesn't need the business.

[QUOTE=Banana Boi;2867501]Most of the time it's pretty obvious which is the best girl. Then feel the stare of every other girl in the place hoping you change your mind and select them instead.[/QUOTE]

Why not select both of them? LOL!

[QUOTE=Banana Boi;2867501]I always paid the Cyrcee girls $50 which is more than they had asked.[/QUOTE]

Me too. But we both might have to increase our prices. From last year, it seems the girls were asking for $50. I think most/all will accept $40, especially if you take them upstairs or nearby. They prefer the Japanese or Chinese that will drop $100.

[QUOTE=Vendelo;2867396]I have RTFF but did not find any information on Baccara.

Quick question, can you take a girl from Baccara?

I will be there in 2 weeks and will report back.[/QUOTE]It's just a bar, like the rest. I've never seen anything worth walking in as I've passed it dozens of times. The pics on my FB feed look good though.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2867504]This is a real long shot. Does anyone know the whereabouts of ANY girl who used to work at Same Same but Different bar on Street 110? I know it's been shut down for years. They all knew me well and I am looking to reconnect with one girl in particular.[/QUOTE]I've been going there regularly for the past several weeks. Sampled most of the ones I liked. Same Same bar across the street from Larry's.

[QUOTE=Mongering1;2867719]I've been going there regularly for the past several weeks. Sampled most of the ones I liked. Same Same bar across the street from Larry's.[/QUOTE]Wow. Same Same but Different Bar had closed down for a long time. I'm guessing it reopened maybe with new owners and a similar name? I'll PM you instead of boring the other posters here.

I realize I should post this in the Sihanoukville forum but its dead over there. Last post was April 2023. Here's my question:

I've been preparing for an upcoming PP trip by making contacts on asiandating (waste of time), TF (waste of time) and FB (lots of success). On FB, I see there are many girls that list their location as Sihanoukville. Is there an active hobby scene there? If yes, is it worth taking a bus for a two day trip?

P.S- I'm aware how the Chinese totally fucked up that once beautiful village.

I lived there for 8 years, 2010 to2018 and left when the Chinese took over (like almost everybody else! It was never a beautiful city but you are right about the chinese fucking it up. I honestly cannot tell you how the scene is at present as I have never been back although I visit Kampot from time to time and hear things. The very few places available to foreigners are probably stupidly priced, as in 50 dollars ST. Again I could be wildly off. You would probably actually be better off with FB. Try just asking a few outright what they want. I am curious myself. Even if it was 20 bucks I'm not sure it would be enough to draw me back. I and many others share a great dislike for what happened and what it has become. Good luck.

It would take a lot for me to drag my ass down to Snooky again. Maybe it's me but imo it's a long drive. I swear one time it took well over 4 hours. Google map says 2 hours 40 minutes to 3 hours 40 minutes. I haven't been for many years. Maybe someone can change my mind but I doubt it.

[QUOTE=SouthEaster;2868333]I lived there for 8 years, 2010 to2018 and left when the Chinese took over (like almost everybody else! It was never a beautiful city but you are right about the chinese fucking it up. I honestly cannot tell you how the scene is at present as I have never been back although I visit Kampot from time to time and hear things. The very few places available to foreigners are probably stupidly priced, as in 50 dollars ST. Again I could be wildly off. You would probably actually be better off with FB. Try just asking a few outright what they want. I am curious myself. Even if it was 20 bucks I'm not sure it would be enough to draw me back. I and many others share a great dislike for what happened and what it has become. Good luck.[/QUOTE]So I have been checking FB girls based in Snooky. They are fucking hot. When I check out their friends I see Chinese men whose location is Snooky. Seems like Snooky is a playground for the Chinese (I think we already know that).

I asked a girl on FB about "meeting up". She's a 10 even tho her pics are filtered as fuck. She replied "500. "

[QUOTE=Vendelo;2868453] I asked a girl on FB about "meeting up". She's a 10 even tho her pics are filtered as fuck. She replied "500. "[/QUOTE]A lot more can be done with $500, anyone has any success from FB? I'm heading to PP tomorrow.

Also heard that Svay Pak has some gems, anyone been there recently?

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2868396]Maybe it's me but imo it's a long drive.[/QUOTE]The new PP-Sihanoukville expressway is nice and fast, just a couple hours. Easily the best road in Cambodia. But that still begs the question of why anybody would want to go to Sihanoukville.

Where are you getting your info from? Svay pak pretty much died 20 years ago when foreign dogooders and the government combined to close the place almost completely. If it ever came back it can only be a shadow of it's former glory and the girls are probably the same ones from 20 years ago! But hey, head out and give it a look and report back. If you have anything good to report I will be amazed but appreciative of the info. One thing is for sure, you ain't going to be screwing hot young Vietnamese chicks for 5 bucks a pop.

[QUOTE=HornyHelmet;2868500]A lot more can be done with $500, anyone has any success from FB? I'm heading to PP tomorrow.

Also heard that Svay Pak has some gems, anyone been there recently?[/QUOTE]FB: its easy to get your friend request accepted. But getting a reply from messenger takes an act of God.

Honestly, I don't how a girl with just a few pics on her FB can have 3000 friends.

[QUOTE=Vendelo;2867396]I have RTFF but did not find any information on Baccara.

Quick question, can you take a girl from Baccara?

I will be there in 2 weeks and will report back.[/QUOTE]I have two girls from Baccara in my house right now. One is the dark skinned spinner with the big smile that stands out on all the FB posts. We just got here and I'll follow up on their performance later.

[QUOTE=Mongering1;2869031]I have two girls from Baccara in my house right now. One is the dark skinned spinner with the big smile that stands out on all the FB posts. We just got here and I'll follow up on their performance later.[/QUOTE]Is her name Kiki?

Are they staying overnight?

[QUOTE=Vendelo;2868453]So I have been checking FB girls based in Snooky. They are fucking hot. When I check out their friends I see Chinese men whose location is Snooky. Seems like Snooky is a playground for the Chinese (I think we already know that).

I asked a girl on FB about "meeting up". She's a 10 even tho her pics are filtered as fuck. She replied "500. "[/QUOTE]I don't doubt it. A Khmer taxi driver I had not too long ago told me that was previously employed as a driver for a casino in Snooky. He told me that most nights he would drive Chinese customers to the KTVs where they would tip the girls sometimes up to $400. Just in the KTV room itself, not even to take them out! The Chinese money in Cambodia is different. Most of it shady AF too.

Mongering1, is the " dark skinned spinner with the big smile" the girl on the far right? See pic.

[QUOTE=Fenyx;2869240]I don't doubt it. A Khmer taxi driver I had not too long ago told me that was previously employed as a driver for a casino in Snooky. He told me that most nights he would drive Chinese customers to the KTVs where they would tip the girls sometimes up to $400. Just in the KTV room itself, not even to take them out! The Chinese money in Cambodia is different. Most of it shady AF too.[/QUOTE]Based on my FB experience in the last 2 weeks, MANY of the girls based in Snooky are model quality. There are some viets and thais located there.

If you check out recent Pattaya soi vids you'll see Chinese guys.

Thanks, China (roll eyes).

[QUOTE=Vendelo;2869291]Mongering1, is the " dark skinned spinner with the big smile" the girl on the far right? See pic.[/QUOTE]The two girls on the right were with me. The one on the far right is with me tonight. It's just a typical barfine bar except the bar fine is not so typical because they want you to buy lady drinks instead of the actual bar fine which comes out to be like $25 plus. Definitely not the most economical, but I'm more of a performance based guy. My motivation to go there was your post and also I keep seeing the girl from the second right with the big smile and I just wanted to put my dick in her mouth, which of course I did. Very much nothing special about this bar. It seems the girl are more interested in making money for the bar than actually pleasing in the customer which seems more than norm here. Hence the lady drink prices and pressure. Overall, I think you're overthinking things. When you get here, just stroll around and you're going to find much much better looking ladies for the same price and effort. I found a solid 10 last night that I wanted to take, but decided to go back to take those two just to post here lol

Edit: I just showed the girl on the far right the picture and she confirmed that it is her. Of course I do not show girls pictures from this site, but I can tell it is already a facebook post previously is why.

[QUOTE=Mongering1;2869362]The two girls on the right were with me. The one on the far right is with me tonight. It's just a typical barfine bar except the bar fine is not so typical because they want you to buy lady drinks instead of the actual bar fine which comes out to be like $25 plus. Definitely not the most economical, but I'm more of a performance based guy. My motivation to go there was your post and also I keep seeing the girl from the second right with the big smile and I just wanted to put my dick in her mouth, which of course I did. Very much nothing special about this bar. It seems the girl are more interested in making money for the bar than actually pleasing in the customer which seems more than norm here. Hence the lady drink prices and pressure. Overall, I think you're overthinking things. When you get here, just stroll around and you're going to find much much better looking ladies for the same price and effort. I found a solid 10 last night that I wanted to take, but decided to go back to take those two just to post here lol[/QUOTE]Thanks for the report. As I mentioned in a previous post, I'm a seasoned hobbyist and this will be my first trip to Camb.

I understand Khmer girls are conservative; is that true in your experience? For example, the girl with the big smile? Did she spit or swallow?

I have a girl set up for my trip. Found her on asiandating and she took me to whatsapp (a good sign). Not sure if she's a civvie but I'll find out this weekend when I insert into the Kingdom.

Thanks for the report. Can you say how much you paid them including any tips, and how you would rate the experience overall?

[QUOTE=Mongering1;2869362]The two girls on the right were with me. The one on the far right is with me tonight. It's just a typical barfine bar except the bar fine is not so typical because they want you to buy lady drinks instead of the actual bar fine which comes out to be like $25 plus. Definitely not the most economical, but I'm more of a performance based guy. My motivation to go there was your post and also I keep seeing the girl from the second right with the big smile and I just wanted to put my dick in her mouth, which of course I did. Very much nothing special about this bar. It seems the girl are more interested in making money for the bar than actually pleasing in the customer which seems more than norm here. Hence the lady drink prices and pressure. Overall, I think you're overthinking things. When you get here, just stroll around and you're going to find much much better looking ladies for the same price and effort. I found a solid 10 last night that I wanted to take, but decided to go back to take those two just to post here lol

Edit: I just showed the girl on the far right the picture and she confirmed that it is her. Of course I do not show girls pictures from this site, but I can tell it is already a facebook post previously is why.[/QUOTE]

Keep your spidey sense up or you are going to be taken big time. Of course if you are loaded you may not care. Happy hunting and good luck.

Day 1: Met up for drinks at Rukkha Sky Bar and Tapas. Nice view of the Mekong. Girl was cute. Legit civvie searching for hubby. Call her Hubby Girl. After 1 drink took me to Baccas Street (recommend).

After a couple of drinks she took me back to my hotel via.

Tuk Tuk. I think she didn't want me carousing.

I took a piss then walked next door (my hotel is Okay Boutique Hotel) to a bar called Silk Route. Earlier in the day I walked by and was hailed by a cute girl. When I showed up, she was cute but heavier than I thought. Called her Heavy Girl. Not fat. Just stocky. Very good looking. Sat w her. Enjoyed live music. Singer was very good. I noticed a cute young girl often staring at me. When Heavy Girl took a piss I called over Young Thang. She sat. Ordered a drink. Heavy Girl returned and was ok with the switch. Young Thang is 18. Declined barfine.

So took a TT to 130/136 etc. My maiden voyage. Not a lot of tourists.

Eyed a girl sitting at a bar. We locked eyes. Exited TT and then sat with her. Very very pretty. 24 w one kid (possible baby damage). Call her Pretty Girl. Hung for a bit then told her I'm going for a walk and will return. Confirmed I can barfine. $20 BF and $100 LT (overnight).

Walked 130 and 136. Met a girl sitting outside 136 bar. Call her Lipstick Girl. Big smile. Very nice personality. Invited me for drinks. I declined and returned to see Pretty Girl. She couldn't barfine bc going back to province for a day. Will return so scheduled to meet at bar on Day 2.

Left Pretty Girl's bar and found another bar on 136 - cute girl smiling at me. Took her inside for a drink. Also 18. Call her Sweet Thang. She doesn't BF per mgr. I asked for wifi so she took my phone to mgr to enter password. When she returned my phone I noticed she buttdialed Hubby Girl. This was 1 am haha.

A couple hours later, Hubby Girl: "I know you went out after I dropped you off!" LOL.

Day 1 was fun.

Day 1 - Continued. Opted for convenience of massage spa in hotel. 90 minutes, Swedish style. $35. After the flip, girl offers HJ and requests tip amount. Little head interjected. Hate when that happens. Overpaid. After a minute or so I realize my cock is in her mouth. Your mileage will probably not vary.

Day 2 Part 1 - Went for a massage. $5. I just wanted a vegan massage, muscle aches from 20+ HR travel time, but knew it was a jack shack.

Girl was really pretty. Jacked up teeth. Gymnast body.

There's a small cabinet hanging on wall in room. She puts my clothes inside and locks it. Mounted on wall shared by adjacent room.

1 minute into massage I realize there's probably access to cabinet from other room. Someone can pull bills from my wallet.

So I get up. Open cabinet. I see what I suspected. Possible disguised door at back of cabinet with access from adjacent room. Grab jeans. Put on bed. Massage continues. Done in less than 15 min.

[QUOTE=Vendelo;2870318]Day 1: Met up for drinks at Rukkha Sky Bar and Tapas. Nice view of the Mekong. Girl was cute. Legit civvie searching for hubby. Call her Hubby Girl. After 1 drink took me to Baccas Street (recommend).

After a couple of drinks she took me back to my hotel via.

Tuk Tuk. I think she didn't want me carousing.

I took a piss then walked next door (my hotel is Okay Boutique Hotel) to a bar called Silk Route. Earlier in the day I walked by and was hailed by a cute girl. When I showed up, she was cute but heavier than I thought. Called her Heavy Girl. Not fat. Just stocky. Very good looking. Sat w her. Enjoyed live music. Singer was very good. I noticed a cute young girl often staring at me. When Heavy Girl took a piss I called over Young Thang. She sat. Ordered a drink. Heavy Girl returned and was ok with the switch. Young Thang is 18. Declined barfine.

So took a TT to 130/136 etc. My maiden voyage. Not a lot of tourists.

Eyed a girl sitting at a bar. We locked eyes. Exited TT and then sat with her. Very very pretty. 24 w one kid (possible baby damage). Call her Pretty Girl. Hung for a bit then told her I'm going for a walk and will return. Confirmed I can barfine. $20 BF and $100 LT (overnight).

Walked 130 and 136. Met a girl sitting outside 136 bar. Call her Lipstick Girl. Big smile. Very nice personality. Invited me for drinks. I declined and returned to see Pretty Girl. She couldn't barfine bc going back to province for a day. Will return so scheduled to meet at bar on Day 2..[/QUOTE]Day 1 Additional Info: I had a drink or two at a bar and noticed 2 freelancers. Wish I was alone! One of them was very pretty. She sat alone at the bar. Staring at her phone. She left after 20 min or so leaving behind a full glass of red wine.

[QUOTE=Vendelo;2870339]Day 1 - Continued. Opted for convenience of massage spa in hotel. 90 minutes, Swedish style. $35. After the flip, girl offers HJ and requests tip amount. Little head interjected. Hate when that happens. Overpaid. After a minute or so I realize my cock is in her mouth. Your mileage will probably not vary.

Day 2 Part 1 - Went for a massage. $5. I just wanted a vegan massage, muscle aches from 20+ HR travel time, but knew it was a jack shack.

Girl was really pretty. Jacked up teeth. Gymnast body.

There's a small cabinet hanging on wall in room. She puts my clothes inside and locks it. Mounted on wall shared by adjacent room.

1 minute into massage I realize there's probably access to cabinet from other room. Someone can pull bills from my wallet.

So I get up. Open cabinet. I see what I suspected. Possible disguised door at back of cabinet with access from adjacent room. Grab jeans. Put on bed. Massage continues. Done in less than 15 min.[/QUOTE]Yeah I went to that cabinet trick massage aswell. I refused to put my stuff in the cabinet but the girl insisted like wtf xD so I left.

Those following you to PP who are into freelancers would probably like to know where and what this place is. Any more info other than "a bar"?

[QUOTE=SouthEaster;2871169]Those following you to PP who are into freelancers would probably like to know where and what this place is. Any more info other than "a bar"?[/QUOTE]Good point! The bar is Cancan on Baccas Street.

[QUOTE=Vendelo;2871346]Good point! The bar is Cancan on Baccas Street.[/QUOTE]So I think you are meaning Bassac Lane / Street. Essentially the barang / ex pat bar area on St. 308 off Norodom??

Good to know and thanks. Unfortunately if this chick can afford to leave a full glass of wine behind she is probably stupidly overpriced. No thanks. Also what the hell is a vegan massage and jacked up teeth?

[QUOTE=SouthEaster;2871512]what the hell is a vegan massage and jacked up teeth?[/QUOTE]Jacked up teeth usually means her teeth are REALLY bad.

Vegan massage? They use vegetable oil so it's non fattening for the girl when she licks you. Joking.

[QUOTE=DingoD;2871494]So I think you are meaning Bassac Lane / Street. Essentially the barang / ex pat bar area on St. 308 off Norodom??[/QUOTE]Yes, Bassac.

[QUOTE=SouthEaster;2871512]Good to know and thanks. Unfortunately if this chick can afford to leave a full glass of wine behind she is probably stupidly overpriced. No thanks. Also what the hell is a vegan massage and jacked up teeth?[/QUOTE]Vegan massage means legit massage.

[B]Day 2 - Part 2[/B] I wrote a detailed report but lost it when I tried to upload so here's a shortened version.

Planned to meet Pretty Girl at Beautiful Lady Bar on 130. I arrived on time, she was running late.

Walked 136 and 130. Saw Lipstick Girl sitting outside 136. Took her inside to buy a drink. Fun personality. Felt her bare ass. Nice. She confirmed she will BF. Two more bartendresses joined; dressed as civvies. One was very pretty. Gorgeous rack. Confirmed she would BF. Said goodbye.

Returned to BLB and met Pretty Girl. What a face! Drank a bit. BFed her for $20 and took to hotel for overnight. $100. Hit it hard. At 3 am she says she has to leave. Wtf. Said she had to return to bar bc young sister was drunk. Ok. Whatever.

Same thing happened to me in Phuket. Overnight girl said she'the stay.

Until 10 but gets phone call from sister at 5 am. Problem with BF. Yeah right. It's a pre-planned call so the girl can leave early. I think its so her highest valued commodity doesn't get beat up. Her pussy.

I wanted to provide the following info now instead of waiting to write Day 7.

Walked riverside at 11 pm. Got approached by 5-6 FL's. Three were LB's. The others were not attractive. One young girl was pimped by an old hag. Young girl was kinda cute but looked like she would be hideous when naked.

Walked 104. Jesus fuck. That street is a gold mine for young, pretty girls. Then walked 136. God damn. Shitload of young pretty girls. Took one inside for a drink. Bar is called Party Girl. Beautiful face. BF is $15. Said she'the do everything. I asked if she'the gulp it down and take it in her butt. She said no. I replied that's not everything. I had a civvie coming tonight so I walked.

FYI, girls are telling me they don't have customers. I believe it bc I don't see many. This means one thing.

[B]Day 3[/B]

Walked the usual streets - 104, 130, 136 - and eyed the candy.

Returned to Beautiful Lady Bar on 130 to see Pretty Girl. Too lazy to check if I wrote about the 19-yr old virgin at BB. But yeah, she's a virgin. And will give it up for US $5,000. Not worth it unless I'm a billionaire.

Anyway, had a few drinks with Pretty Girl. It was dead until later when a few guys showed up. One sat but didn't drink. Frickin freeloader. Later a fucking old man in his last days on Earth showed up. Fuck. That's probably me in the near future. Limping. Crouched over. Messy hair. Grabbed the virgin by the hand and dragged her inside. Then he left about 15 min later. Most likely will be found dead in his cheap hotel. Can't blame the guy. Probably on his last few bucks and said "fuck it, I'm going to Phnom penh" and go out like a fucking king. "

I sat outside BL Bar with Pretty Girl and looked out for FL's. Maybe saw one or two.

So took Pretty Girl back to my hotel around 9. Hit it hard. She was supposed to stay overnight but at 11 she decides to leave. Really? Beautiful face but I am done with her.

And what is that one thing? It could be many things. BF prices too high. Asking prices too high. Real lack of customers. Greedy girls. Drinks only girls. Too much bullshit like the previous one pulled on you, (and don't feel bad, not uncommon! What is your take?

[B]Day 4 - [/B] Walked 130,136, etc. Late morning with a plan to find a pool table. Saw average but cute civvie sitting outside Dream Bar. Few minutes later we were upstairs shooting pool. I'm just an average player but enjoying playing with a lady. Bar was empty. Just me, her and another girl.

I always play for money. So best out of ten, winner get $100. So much fun. The second girl jumped in when I was up 3-1. When she broke I knew I was fucked. We finished 5-5. Then the night crew arrived. A statuesque gal was apparently strong at pool. So 1 game for $50. Could not determine of she was an LB. Beautiful face but suffered from Arrested Development as do many bar girls. She beat me. Good times.

Later in the evening I stopped by Mayazon, a whiskey and cigar lounge on 102 near Riverside. Cute girl seated outside. Turns out its a legit bar. And you can smoke cigars inside! Nice staff. Classy joint. An escape from the bar girls that are always hitting you up for a drink. I won't give the details to maintain my anonymity but I pulled a civvie. Saw her a few times after work. Raw. $0.

[B]Day 4 - [/B] Walked 130,136, etc. Late morning with a plan to find a pool table. Saw average but cute civvie sitting outside Dream Bar. Few minutes later we were upstairs shooting pool. I'm just an average player but enjoying playing with a lady. Bar was empty. Just me, her and another girl.

I always play for money. So best out of ten, winner get $100. So much fun. The second girl jumped in when I was up 3-1. When she broke I knew I was fucked. We finished 5-5. Then the night crew arrived. A statuesque gal was apparently strong at pool. So 1 game for $50. Could not determine of she was an LB. Beautiful face but suffered from Arrested Development as do many bar girls. She beat me. Good times.

Later in the evening I stopped by Mayazon, a whiskey and cigar lounge on 102 near Riverside. Cute girl seated outside. Turns out its a legit bar. And you can smoke cigars inside! Nice staff. Classy joint. An escape from the bar girls that are always hitting you up for a drink. I won't give the details to maintain my anonymity but I pulled a civvie. Saw her a few times after work. Raw. $0. She took me to many local joints.

[B]Day 5 -[/B] Attached is a pic of the "statuesque gal" from my Day 4 report.

Hit a legit spa called Samantha Spa. Its a first class spa. 90 min for $45 (Pricey for Cambodia but once again, legit and tailored for the customer service-oriented crowd. I spotted a very pretty girl, darker skin, stunning face. I didn't have the guts to request her and ended up with an older woman. Didn't matter bc I just wanted a good massage. The receptionist was very cute. Spent time chatting with her. Wanted to get her digits but she's only 21 and a sweet girl.

Walked to get a haircut at Khmer Barber - 5 min walk from Samantha Spa. Read about this place via google. They have about 5 girls and 5 barbers. Arrived and greeted by a few girls. I got a haircut and opted for a mani, my first, bc the girl was beautiful. $5 for the cut and $5 for the mani. I thought about pulling the girl but noticed a wedding ring so I passed.

Later in the evening, hit 130,136, etc. By the way, is there a name for these streets?

Many girls howling at me. Some just facefucking their phones. One girl had a wonderful smile (136). Took her inside. Hung out. Bought drinks. Mgr said she's too young to barfineShe was lithe and 18. So I left.

Returned to Silk Route near my hotel. I had spoken to a girl earlier who was standing outside greeting passersby. She had caught my attention bc she had that dark skin that I like and was built like a brckhouse. Curvy. I walked inside and there she was. We sat. Drank a couple of beers. Next to us was a table w two girls abd an old ugly man. One of the girls kept smiling at me. So when Brickhouse Girl went to take a piss, I asked Cute Girl to join me.

Brickhouse Girl returned, I asked if it was ok for Cute Girl to sit w me. She said yes bc I had bought her 3 beers. Hung with Cute Girl. 18. See pic below. I tried to BF her but she wouldn't Hung out for awhile bc she was young and pretty.

[B]Day 6 -[/B] Discovered a side street with quite a few bars. Girls are cute and young! The street runs parallel to the river and intersects 110. The street sign reads Angkor St (5). I shot pool at Blue Angel Bar and took a girl home overnight. $15 BF and $100 overnight. The girl was fantastic. Energetic personality. Great smile and convo.

[B]Day 7 -[/B] Returned to Samantha Spa for a 4-hand massage. One of the girls was the " very pretty girl, darker skin, stunning face" I spotted on Day 5. The other was an older lady. Very good massage. I think I paid $45 for 90-min. They make you wear a very sheer disposable underwear.

Later in the day I returned to 130-136 in the late afternoon just before 5. Bar girls arrive at 5. I was looking tonjust have one beer. Eyed a girl. Motioned to drink. She nodded. Up close she was older than I expected (I hate it when I do that). Anyway. Go inside. Man, she guzzled two beers like water. Poor girl sleeps on one of the benches on the first floor. One hand had two thumbs! Nice gal. Said bye.

Later I hooked up with my civvie back at my hotel.

The drawback to having a nightly civvie is they become attached. Its best not to see them every night. On the other hand, my civvie brought me to places to eat I never would have on my own. Plus going raw was nice!

[QUOTE=Vendelo;2872611][B]Day 7 -[/B] Returned to Samantha Spa for a 4-hand massage. One of the girls was the " very pretty girl, darker skin, stunning face" I spotted on Day 5. The other was an older lady. Very good massage. I think I paid $45 for 90-min. They make you wear a very sheer disposable underwear.

Later in the day I returned to 130-136 in the late afternoon just before 5. Bar girls arrive at 5. I was looking tonjust have one beer. Eyed a girl. Motioned to drink. She nodded. Up close she was older than I expected (I hate it when I do that). Anyway. Go inside. Man, she guzzled two beers like water. Poor girl sleeps on one of the benches on the first floor. One hand had two thumbs! Nice gal. Said bye.

Later I hooked up with my civvie back at my hotel.

The drawback to having a nightly civvie is they become attached. Its best not to see them every night. On the other hand, my civvie brought me to places to eat I never would have on my own. Plus going raw was nice![/QUOTE]Ohhh you keep bringing back memories. The two thumbed girl, works at the bar on the corner of Street 136 and Street 5, can't remember the name of the place? Anyways. She gives a very good in house, the booths on the left to the back, blow job. Was getting a blow job from her and another girl just for buying them drinks - 2 thumb girl took a good sized load in her mouth!! Ahhh memories!!

Thanks you your field reports. Very much enjoy reading them and hearing what the current action on the ground is like!!

Will be back March-April 2024 - looking forward to some fun times!!

DingoD.

Vendelo,

Very nice and helpful reports.

I was in Phnom Penh a few years back, went to a brothel on 96 or 97th street. The house was old and grimy. The Vietnamese owner with wife and kids were eating lunch spread out on the floor.

Sat, waiting on a couch in the living room with pink fluorescent lights. Three girls came out, all Vietnamese in 20's. Picked the tall, nice, clean one and headed upstairs to a bare bedroom with just a bed and a small shelf next to the door.

She wanted me to remove my clothes and leave them on the shelf. My clothes would be behind my back in my blind spot from the bed. I had read about rampant theft in Cambodian brothels and was apprehensive, but had to take one for my bucket. I took my wallet, all cash and my passport, held them firmly on the bed under my hand as I got on top screwing the girl.

She was in mish, quiet and passive. In the middle of serious screwing I saw the door quietly cracked open and a hand rummaging through my clothes. Damn lucky I had intels from this site to avoid getting robbed. Would be in deep shit to have my wallet and passport stolen in a foreign country.

Went to the brothel villa run by a charming and sexy mid age Vietnamese madam. Old French soldiers were sitting in the back yard drinking, smoking heavily, watching a movie on a projector screen, ogling young girls, almost all Viets. I was hesitant selecting among the hot Viet spinners. Madam was joking, that she would do me for free hehe.

Checked out FLs and titties bars in PP. Pulled a hot Vietnamese spinner from the bar for all night but she bailed shortly after midnight.

In Siem Reap I was staying in a large, very nice hotel next to the river with huge, solid teak wood doors and furniture, very authentic Cambodian. Hotel receptionists were good-looking, smiling and gracious, but of course only flirting, no sex.

Phnom Penh gave me the creep, mongering or not. Don't think I would ever go back. Siem Reap had lots of young girls sitting in front of obvious brothels on main streets, almost all Viets, far more accessible, relaxed and felt safer.

[B]Day 8 - [/B] I returned to Samantha Spa to see "very pretty girl, darker skin, stunning face" for a one hour massage. Nice girl. Spoke some English. Asked if she's like to meet and she gave me her number.

Walked several blocks to Khmer Barber and got a cut and mani. A man cuts your hair while a girl gives the mani. $10! The girl was really pretty and kept eyeing me. With one day to go and a date set up with "very pretty girl, darker skin, stunning face" I regretfully didn't pursue her.

Later in the day I was walking 130-136 and saw a very cute girl at one of those $5 massage shops. She looked like 14 but had a nice rack. I figured with that rack she must be older. Paid $10 for a one-HR massage. It was legit. Turns out she's 21!

[QUOTE=Vendelo;2872895][B]Day 8 - [/B] I returned to Samantha Spa to see "very pretty girl, darker skin, stunning face" for a one hour massage. Nice girl. Spoke some English. Asked if she's like to meet and she gave me her number.

Walked several blocks to Khmer Barber and got a cut and mani. A man cuts your hair while a girl gives the mani. $10! The girl was really pretty and kept eyeing me. With one day to go and a date set up with "very pretty girl, darker skin, stunning face" I regretfully didn't pursue her.

Later in the day I was walking 130-136 and saw a very cute girl at one of those $5 massage shops. She looked like 14 but had a nice rack. I figured with that rack she must be older. Paid $10 for a one-HR massage. It was legit. Turns out she's 21![/QUOTE]I would like to mention, the 21-yr old wanted to put my clothes on a rack in the corner of the room with a towel to be used as a curtain. Fuck that. I kept my sling pack next to me on the bed.

My civvie came over at 3 am. Sexy time. Hit it hard and fast. Snored. Then she woke up at 5 am and had to leave.

9 am. I met "very pretty girl, darker skin, stunning face" for coffee. When she walked into the café in civvie clothes my eyes lit up! She brought along a spa coworker (probably for safety). She is very shy. English is not bad. We hung out for an hour or so. She did say many customers ask her out but she has no time. Since she accepted my coffee date, I guess she liked me (talking like I am 15 years old LOL).

We said bye. I had just enough time to get a massage so I hit Satu Satu. They employ all Thai girls. I forgot to mention I had 2 "massages" there earlier in the week. I saw my usual girl and asked for a naked Thai massage. A lifelong fantasy. $26 for the massage and $74 for ripping her clothes off. Dynamite body.

Scurried back to the hotel. Checked out. Arrived at PNH with 90 min until take-off.

[B]The end[/B]

[QUOTE=Vendelo;2872981]I would like to mention, the 21-yr old wanted to put my clothes on a rack in the corner of the room with a towel to be used as a curtain. Fuck that. I kept my sling pack next to me on the bed.[/QUOTE]So I'm trying to work out if you've got your days and activities mixed up OR if you've had 2 haircuts in 3 days? So you have any hair left?? LOL.

[QUOTE=DingoD;2873097]So I'm trying to work out if you've got your days and activities mixed up OR if you've had 2 haircuts in 3 days? So you have any hair left?? LOL.[/QUOTE]I shave my head. I think I went to Khmer Barber three times in one week.

A few years back. Sounds more like 20. And Vendelo's post aren't really helping anybody but one week millionaires. Those 100 dollar LTs that turn into STs are a direct result of he and his many free spending predecessors helping to fuck up what used to be a cheap and freewhelling scene that was nothing like what is available now. How did the 500 dollar Snooky girl turn out?

FYI: Hassan, the owner of Crycee, retired and sold the business.

Several years ago, Crycee relocated. It was on Street 49. It moved around the corner.

Now, Crycee kind of split into 2. I heard that 2 people bought the bar, but then split up into 2 bars. The relocated one changed the name on the front of the bar to Ya Ya Sweetie, but it still uses the Crycee billboard advertisement on the street.

Another bar opened up in the original location on Street 49. The name of the bar is "something" Horny Secret.

The girls split into 2 groups. There's a few new ones (not that many).

The bar on Street 49 (the old location) probably has the better girls.

It's kind of irritating. I prefer previously when all the girls were in 1 bar. Now you have 2 bars that is half way staffed.

[QUOTE=SouthEaster;2873156]A few years back. Sounds more like 20. And Vendelo's post aren't really helping anybody but one week millionaires. Those 100 dollar LTs that turn into STs are a direct result of he and his many free spending predecessors helping to fuck up what used to be a cheap and freewhelling scene that was nothing like what is available now. How did the 500 dollar Snooky girl turn out?[/QUOTE]Obviously reading is not one of your strengths. Simple English so you may comprehend. Never saw the $100 LT girl after she left and I ignored her texts. Never saw the $500 girl.

I read every one of your posts and my comprehension is not lacking in the least. You spend money like a drunken sailor and by your own admission had not one but 2 $100 LT runners. Sorry I was mistaking you for a one week millionaire. 9 days makes a huge difference.

[QUOTE=SouthEaster;2873466]I read every one of your posts and my comprehension is not lacking in the least. You spend money like a drunken sailor and by your own admission had not one but 2 $100 LT runners. Sorry I was mistaking you for a one week millionaire. 9 days makes a huge difference.[/QUOTE]It is unfortunate you made poor career and investment decisions throughout your life and find US $100 an exorbitant amount.

I'm going on my third month back and I have nothing new to report. The bars are mostly just lady drink places anymore. I don't mind buying lady drinks if the girl is accommodating, but I'm certainly not going to waste my time and money to watch a girl drink. It's also true, but as it's been said, the girls start off asking over the top prices for short time. It gets frustrating! I'm thinking about moving to Thailand for a couple months just to have some fun because Cambodia is losing its thrill real fast.

Anyway, I'm headed down to street 172 right now and spend the afternoon in that area. I'll start off with a Khmer massage at my favorite massage place, Aurora (it's not really spelled that way) and then see what's up. I saw advertised on a message board about a new freelancer bar and hotel that's kind of across the street and I'll see what's up there. I check this site between stops daily. The name of the bar is floozies and apparently the girls aren't going to show up until around 7:00. I told the lady that I spoke to you that if I were going to wait until 7:00 I will go down to 136.

Interestingly enough I will be staying on 172 in a couple of weeks. And the timing works great for me because I normally head out around 7. If I find the place I will check it out and let you know. If you find it first, vice versa.

[QUOTE=SouthEaster;2873466]I read every one of your posts and my comprehension is not lacking in the least. You spend money like a drunken sailor and by your own admission had not one but 2 $100 LT runners. Sorry I was mistaking you for a one week millionaire. 9 days makes a huge difference.[/QUOTE]Hey Southeaster, think you need to make more money so you can care less about what others do. It makes you look like you're broke, which I'm sure you will deny.

Wealthy people don't complain about how other people spend their money.

I have to overnight in PP next week before a plane ride, any fav hotels near the action?

[QUOTE=Vendelo;2873611]It is unfortunate you made poor career and investment decisions throughout your life and find US $100 an exorbitant amount.[/QUOTE]That's not the point dude. The point is why paying western prices in a third world country? PP is a shithole and has always been. Pussy used to be dirt cheap to a level you will never be aware of and now girls want money out of LD only and 100 $ for a lousy ST. Just ridiculous if you ask me.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2873834]I have to overnight in PP next week before a plane ride, any fav hotels near the action?[/QUOTE]I'll let someone else recommend a hotel but my PP civvie took me to Bopha Titanic Restaurant for legit Khmer food. Google it. It's close to 130-136 action. Choose a riverside seat just before dusk. Take the menu and scroll to the one page Khmer Special Food in Khmer. Unless you read and understand Khmer food, ask waiter to select two dishes. Don't forget the rice.

Here's menu. I liked 10 K. Vegetable and fish soup.

[QUOTE=Vendelo;2873064]My civvie came over at 3 am. Sexy time. Hit it hard and fast. Snored. Then she woke up at 5 am and had to leave.

9 am. I met "very pretty girl, darker skin, stunning face" for coffee. When she walked into the caf in civvie clothes my eyes lit up! She brought along a spa coworker (probably for safety). She is very shy. English is not bad. We hung out for an hour or so. She did say many customers ask her out but she has no time. Since she accepted my coffee date, I guess she liked me (talking like I am 15 years old LOL).

We said bye. I had just enough time to get a massage so I hit Satu Satu. They employ all Thai girls. I forgot to mention I had 2 "massages" there earlier in the week. I saw my usual girl and asked for a naked Thai massage. A lifelong fantasy. $26 for the massage and $74 for ripping her clothes off. Dynamite body.

Scurried back to the hotel. Checked out. Arrived at PNH with 90 min until take-off.

[B]The end[/B][/QUOTE]Who was your girl at Satu Satu? Because when I went there were only three relatively old, chubby Thai ladies. Maybe I was just there at a bad time. Decent massage and good facilities, but the extras are too much for the quality of the girls. That same price will get me SnF'd by a bargirl or freelancer, significantly younger and sexier. Disappointing because I love a daytime rub and tug. Anyone else have any good massage recommendations?

Hey HULK. Think you need to be around for more than 8 posts before you shoot your mouth off. I am neither poor nor wealthy but I can ***** all I want about how people spend their money, just as you can complain about how I do (or don't) mine.

I washed up in Cambodia for the first time in 1996 and lived there for 8 years so I know just a tiny bit about the place. Please give us some advice based on your vast experience. I'm all ears.

[QUOTE=Muzungufotsy;2873951]That's not the point dude. The point is why paying western prices in a third world country? PP is a shithole and has always been. Pussy used to be dirt cheap to a level you will never be aware of and now girls want money out of LD only and 100 $ for a lousy ST. Just ridiculous if you ask me.[/QUOTE]Does anyone read anymore?

I agreed to pay $100 for LT overnight. She left after 2 hours. Next few days she asked to see me. I never saw her again.

Lastly, don't compare PP now to PP prior to China fucking up Sihanoukville. And also consider Covid inflation. You are living in the past.

[QUOTE=Fenyx;2874022]Who was your girl at Satu Satu? Because when I went there were only three relatively old, chubby Thai ladies. Maybe I was just there at a bad time. Decent massage and good facilities, but the extras are too much for the quality of the girls. That same price will get me SnF'd by a bargirl or freelancer, significantly younger and sexier. Disappointing because I love a daytime rub and tug. Anyone else have any good massage recommendations?[/QUOTE]She's the only girl with short hair. She is leaving soon.

There's also a young, good looking girl.

They're all Thai.

I didn't get a chance to visit Bliss which is a block or two away. Have you been there?

[QUOTE=Fenyx;2874022]Who was your girl at Satu Satu? Because when I went there were only three relatively old, chubby Thai ladies. Maybe I was just there at a bad time. Decent massage and good facilities, but the extras are too much for the quality of the girls. That same price will get me SnF'd by a bargirl or freelancer, significantly younger and sexier. Disappointing because I love a daytime rub and tug. Anyone else have any good massage recommendations?[/QUOTE]She's the only girl with short hair. She is leaving soon.

There's also a young, good looking girl.

They're all Thai.

I didn't get a chance to visit Bliss which is a block or two away. Have you been there?

Lots of young cute girls on 104 to 136. It takes time and money to take one for LT / overnight (my objective).

Asiandating, FB, IG, etc. Are a waste of time.

PP is a target rich environment. You will see an upper echelon of young, fashionable girls in cafes and coffee houses. That group is difficult to penetrate. But I was able to hook up quickly with civvies who worked in normal businesses. One invited herself to my hotel on the 2nd date. They're just as sick if Cambodian men as Thai girls are of Thai men. If you're good looking, possess game, and are not an old man, you can pull civvies without trying.

[QUOTE=SouthEaster;2874062]Hey HULK. Think you need to be around for more than 8 posts before you shoot your mouth off. I am neither poor nor wealthy but I can ***** all I want about how people spend their money, just as you can complain about how I do (or don't) mine.

I washed up in Cambodia for the first time in 1996 and lived there for 8 years so I know just a tiny bit about the place. Please give us some advice based on your vast experience. I'm all ears.[/QUOTE]This isn't my main forum. I just reference this one when I want to know what the scene is in other locations. I only checked this one because I will be in Phnom Penh in January.

I only commented because I'm tired of having to sift through posts from broke, whiny bitches like you when I, like most people, just want to know what is happening on the ground. It's not as if people are going to change their spending habits anyways based on some random internet stranger chewing them out, so why do you bother? Stop polluting the forum with your whining.

[QUOTE=Vendelo;2874151]Does anyone read anymore?

I agreed to pay $100 for LT overnight. She left after 2 hours. Next few days she asked to see me. I never saw her again.

Lastly, don't compare PP now to PP prior to China fucking up Sihanoukville. And also consider Covid inflation. You are living in the past.[/QUOTE]We are talking about PP here not Sihanoukville. But you still paid her 100 $ for 2 hours that's the point. The girl is playing you and you let her do it. Thats why prices of pussy are going up because of weak guys like you. It has nothing to do with food inflation which is insignificant and has nothing to do with Covid. Some people don't know how economic works.

That's rich. 9 posts in and your superiority and mind reading abilities are showing to be next level. You know absolutely nothing about me, but assume to know it all. I suppose I can take some comfort in knowing that you will join the hordes of PP visitors with more dollars than sense and get taken for some royal rides. Polluting the forum hahahahahahaa. Enjoy. I know the girls will.

[QUOTE=SouthEaster;2874323]That's rich. 9 posts in and your superiority and mind reading abilities are showing to be next level. You know absolutely nothing about me, but assume to know it all. I suppose I can take some comfort in knowing that you will join the hordes of PP visitors with more dollars than sense and get taken for some royal rides. Polluting the forum hahahahahahaa. Enjoy. I know the girls will.[/QUOTE]So how many posts do I have to make before you aren't broke anymore? A million?

100 usd for LT is peanuts. These girls debase themselves by banging strangers so they can support their families. Some are scammers but I've met plenty who are not. They last thing I'm going to do is haggle with them, unlike you.

I was in Phnom Penh a few months ago for 5 days, and I stay in contact with 3 girls from Wow bar that I took for 100 usd LT each on separate nights. Service was very good and they were all 19 and the worst in looks was a 7. They still ping me maybe twice a month to say Hi, and none of them have ever asked me for money, ever. In January, I will likely just ask them to meet me separately outside of the bar and pay whatever they ask. I hope that spoils the market for you Southeaster.

[QUOTE=Muzungufotsy;2874249]We are talking about PP here not Sihanoukville. But you still paid her 100 $ for 2 hours that's the point. The girl is playing you and you let her do it. Thats why prices of pussy are going up because of weak guys like you. It has nothing to do with food inflation which is insignificant and has nothing to do with Covid. Some people don't know how economic works.[/QUOTE]Once again. Do you even read? Where does it say I paid $100 for 2 hours? where?

[QUOTE=SouthEaster;2874323]That's rich. 9 posts in and your superiority and mind reading abilities are showing to be next level. You know absolutely nothing about me, but assume to know it all. I suppose I can take some comfort in knowing that you will join the hordes of PP visitors with more dollars than sense and get taken for some royal rides. Polluting the forum hahahahahahaa. Enjoy. I know the girls will.[/QUOTE]Jesus Christ, man. Enough of your trolling.

[QUOTE=Vendelo;2873995]I'll let someone else recommend a hotel but my PP civvie took me to Bopha Titanic Restaurant for legit Khmer food. Google it. It's close to 130-136 action. Choose a riverside seat just before dusk. Take the menu and scroll to the one page Khmer Special Food in Khmer. Unless you read and understand Khmer food, ask waiter to select two dishes. Don't forget the rice.[/QUOTE]I lived 8 n Cambodia during covid and Khmer food sucks.

Street 136 was absolutely filled with cute girls. For a variety of reasons I did not partake but if you're in Phnom pen, it might be worth it for an overnight stop. I stayed at the lavonia Hotel about 500 m from the action at Street 136 and Street 49 and it was quiet even though I had a street facing room.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2875228]I lived 8 n Cambodia during covid and Khmer food sucks.[/QUOTE]Khmer food sucks?

Maybe in restaurants, even then I didn't think it sucks when I was there but I thought it was a bit hard to find good places to eat.

One day I woke up with a cutie (from Candy bar on street 136) next to me, she said "let's go to my cousin's house" (I only met that girl the night before).

I said no.

She then said "OK, we take my bike and I make you visit PP". I thought ok, that's better.

I let you guess where she took me, straight to her cousin's house on a remote part of PP, after driving for what looked like 20 minutes or more.

The cousin lived in the worst sh*hole that I ever visited, even worse than the Insomnia freelancers sharing a room with 4 other girls on Naklua soi 29 (Pattaya).

I took a real pity for that girl, she was trying to get a decent life but I could see it's very hard for the common folks in Cambodia. Her place was sh*t but she was doing her best to keep it clean and decent.

My girl gave her some dollars and the cousin came back with some fresh meat and vegetables (plus beer cans) bought in the nearby market.

They then proceeded to cook the best Loclac I ever ate. Honestly I wouldn't exchange that Loclac with any of the good stuffs I found in Bkk or Pattaya.

I still got the pictures of that moment.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2876408]Khmer food sucks?

Maybe in restaurants, even then I didn't think it sucks when I was there but I thought it was a bit hard to find good places to eat.

One day I woke up with a cutie (from Candy bar on street 136) next to me, she said "let's go to my cousin's house" (I only met that girl the night before).

I said no.

She then said "OK, we take my bike and I make you visit PP". I thought ok, that's better.

I let you guess where she took me, straight to her cousin's house on a remote part of PP, after driving for what looked like 20 minutes or more.

The cousin lived in the worst sh*hole that I ever visited, even worse than the Insomnia freelancers sharing a room with 4 other girls on Naklua soi 29 (Pattaya).

I took a real pity for that girl, she was trying to get a decent life but I could see it's very hard for the common folks in Cambodia. Her place was sh*t but she was doing her best to keep it clean and decent.

My girl gave her some dollars and the cousin came back with some fresh meat and vegetables (plus beer cans) bought in the nearby market.

They then proceeded to cook the best Loclac I ever ate. Honestly I wouldn't exchange that Loclac with any of the good stuffs I found in Bkk or Pattaya.

I still got the pictures of that moment.[/QUOTE]I'm not going to doubt you're fine experience with loklak which, if made with proper beef, is excellent. So is amok, if made with proper fish.

But the rest of it is bland and boring. There is nothing unique about it. That is not to say there's not tasty dishes, like for example noodle soup in various styles, but I guarantee you if you put a bowl of Thai noodle soup from a street market next to a bowl of Khmer noodle soup from a street market in front of a gourmet, he'd be reaching for the Thai stuff.

What Cambodia specializes in, especially in the tourist areas, is fusion cuisine. That is, Western dishes with some Cambodian elements and or made by Cambodian chefs. I've had some fabulous food in Cambodia, but can't recall ever really raving about a pure Khmer dish. On the other hand, poor Khmers know how to get the best of the limited food they have. I'm a freak for the steam sweet potatoes and bone soups. I also really enjoy Cambodian curry with a warm buttered baguette.

On the other hand, I think Harry's bars swedish meatballs are fabulous.

Hi has anyone stayed in 110 residence. I am keen to try because of the location. Any issues bringing girls back. Thanks.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2876547]I'm not going to doubt you're fine experience with loklak which, if made with proper beef, is excellent.[/QUOTE]The problem is that it's hard to find top quality beef in the normal places in Asia. It's usually tough and chewy; I think it's water buffalo. Ya, you probably can find quality in the restaurants in the 5 star hotels, in some of the Korean BBQ restaurants, and at Naga Casino, but you will pay the price.

For a good beef dish, I recommend the Chinese restaurant in the President Hotel. The beef melts in your mouth. Kind of expensive for Cambodia (but affordable comparing it to the US). You see a lot of nice cars in front; rich Khmers go there.

In the US, I get the prime graded beef at Costco, and now, it's hard to go back eating normal USDA choice beef.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2876547]What Cambodia specializes in, especially in the tourist areas, is fusion cuisine.[/QUOTE]Around the riverside? That stuff is marginal. The best part is the 75 cents draft beer specials.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2876547]I've had some fabulous food in Cambodia, but can't recall ever really raving about a pure Khmer dish.[/QUOTE]Have you ever had that special Cambodian chicken curry disk. Can't remember the Khmer name. It is only made during special occasions. You probably can't find it at normal restaurants. They use old chicken, in terms of age. If they use young chicken (like the mature 4 month old), it will dissolve in the sauce, making it not taste as good.

Note: I highly recommend the buffet in the 2 Pangea buffet in Naga 2 Casino. Around $30 on the weekday; $35 on weekend. Get the free players card; you get around a 20% discount. Fabulous, top notch buffet.

[QUOTE=GreenBud;2876840] I highly recommend the buffet in the 2 Pangea buffet in Naga 2 Casino. Around $30 on the weekday; $35 on weekend.... Fabulous, top notch buffet.[/QUOTE]Nice. Will definitely try it when I make it back to PP.

I went to the Tonl Bassac II Buffet pre-COVID. Highly rated. This place was humungous. Food was average at best for me but the girl I took loved it. It was a big deal for her to go there.

[QUOTE=GreenBud;2876840]In the US, I get the prime graded beef at Costco, and now, it's hard to go back eating normal USDA choice beef[/QUOTE]

I've been addicted to Kobe Beef since staying in Japan. It's difficult for me to even eat Wagyu now. Spoiled I know but in Japan with its very low Yen this stuff is relatively cheap.

[QUOTE=GreenBud;2876840]The problem is that it's hard to find top quality beef in the normal places in Asia. It's usually tough and chewy; I think it's water buffalo. Ya, you probably can find quality in the restaurants in the 5 star hotels, in some of the Korean BBQ restaurants, and at Naga Casino, but you will pay the price.

For a good beef dish, I recommend the Chinese restaurant in the President Hotel. The beef melts in

In the US, I get the prime graded beef at Costco, and now, it's hard to go back eating normal USDA choice beef.

Around the riverside? That stuff is marginal. The best part is the 75 cents draft beer specials.

Have you ever had that special Cambodian chicken curry disk. Can't remember the Khmer name. It is only made during special occasions. You probably can't find it at normal restaurants. They use old chicken, in terms of age. If they use young chicken (like the mature 4 month old), it will dissolve in the sauce, making it not taste as good.

Note: I highly recommend the buffet in the 2 Pangea buffet in Naga 2 Casino. Around $30 on the weekday; $35 on weekend. Get the free players card; you get around a 20% discount. Fabulous, top notch buffet.[/QUOTE]When did you last go to that buffet? I love buffets and use my etigo app in Bangkok all the time. It only has six Google reviews.

I have eaten cheap loklak and it's edible. My solution on beef is either eat only Kobe or wagyu, or wait for a hotel buffet in Bangkok and get the prime rib or steamboat rounds.

I've eaten at curry you are referring to more than once. I still prefer Thai curry.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2876846]I've been addicted to Kobe Beef since staying in Japan.[/QUOTE]That's outside my budget.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2876846]It's difficult for me to even eat Wagyu now.[/QUOTE]Wow! Costco is selling a large chunk of frozen A-5 graded Wagyu. Haven't tried it because I cook for one, and it's ridiculously expensive. I usually get the prime graded tenderloin or ribeye (with cap). $25 per pound (in bulk, non-restaurant) for prime graded beef is my budget.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2876933]When did you last go to that buffet?[/QUOTE]Last November. It seems each day has a different theme. Friday is Schezwan, Wednesday is Korean, I think Monday was Japanese. I take locals there, and they absolutely love it. They should; the cost is about half a week's Cambodian minimum wage.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2876933]I love buffets[/QUOTE]I hate buffets. I always overeat. But I still go.

[QUOTE=Vendelo;2866825]How was the quality of the two girls - 0 to 10?[/QUOTE]0.

Those are ice / yama / meth heads. Even if you wanted to go the low cost street walker route you'd be better off at one of the pick up spots used by locals.

[QUOTE=Vendelo;2874411]Once again. Do you even read? Where does it say I paid $100 for 2 hours? where?[/QUOTE]You are correct.

You agreed to pay $100 for overnight. She left after 2 hours.

The implication is that you didn't hand her $100 as she was walking out the door. Otherwise, that would have been an agreement for $100 for 2 hours.

Unless you gave her the money in advance, but you would never do that.

Are ones, fives and Ten US notes still widely accepted in PP? All new bills. TYA.

The prices being quoted here. You may as well go to Paris, Barcelona, Germany.

Regional Australian cities look at classifieds where happy endings are 40 and FS 50 with Thai, Chinese, Korean, Japanese, often students.

[QUOTE=MyHandle88;2882178]Are ones, fives and Ten US notes still widely accepted in PP? All new bills. TYA.[/QUOTE]I was in PP in November 2023 and locals accepted 5 and 10 dollar bills. But they inspect them. Must be perfect and current; an older 5 dollar bill was rejected even though it was perfect.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2882140]You are correct.

You agreed to pay $100 for overnight. She left after 2 hours.

The implication is that you didn't hand her $100 as she was walking out the door. Otherwise, that would have been an agreement for $100 for 2 hours.

Unless you gave her the money in advance, but you would never do that.[/QUOTE]I don't argue with strangers on the internet.

Is the Paradise Hotel a decent place to stay? It seems it's in a great part of town to access some of the areas I've read about here.

[QUOTE=SexInStl;2885266]Is the Paradise Hotel a decent place to stay?[/QUOTE]If you mean the Paradise on Monivong, it's like many around there -- old but somewhat refurbished, big rooms but otherwise nothing special. The areas you read about here are all closer to the river. My advice would be to stay within a few blocks of the river, anywhere from St. 110 to 154.

I was recently in Phnom on a fast overnight. I got a deal at the silver mountain Hotel for like $23 and it's on street 172. The staff is fabulous, and the place is nothing special, but clean.

I didn't get a chance to hit the girly streets, although there are a couple of girly bars on street 172. It's a lot quieter over there though than down where the action is a few blocks over which is why I stay there. There's some excellent restaurants on that street including an Ethiopian place which is fabulous.

However, my only report is about the pizza restaurant on the quay near street 148? Which is called Pizza4 or something like that. Dudes, it was the best pizza I've had in Southeast Asia. Plus, you can sit on the terrorist and over at the quay while chowing down and it's worth the 20 bucks it cost me including drink and coffee. Seriously great pizza.

That shows what happens when you get older and have been living in Asia a while. Pizza is more important than the fake blondes hanging out in front of bars.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2887802]I was recently in Phnom on a fast overnight. I got a deal at the silver mountain Hotel for like $23 and it's on street 172. The staff is fabulous, and the place is nothing special, but clean.

I didn't get a chance to hit the girly streets, although there are a couple of girly bars on street 172. It's a lot quieter over there though than down where the action is a few blocks over which is why I stay there. There's some excellent restaurants on that street including an Ethiopian place which is fabulous.

However, my only report is about the pizza restaurant on the quay near street 148? Which is called Pizza4 or something like that. Dudes, it was the best pizza I've had in Southeast Asia. Plus, you can sit on the terrorist and over at the quay while chowing down and it's worth the 20 bucks it cost me including drink and coffee. Seriously great pizza.

That shows what happens when you get older and have been living in Asia a while. Pizza is more important than the fake blondes hanging out in front of bars.[/QUOTE]I love that typo: "sit on the terrorist"! The Ethiopian place on Street 172 is great. I always get their vegan combo. Just down the street is Amazing Happy Pizza. Their pizza is only so-so but you can ask them to make it "extra happy"!

Pizza 4 P's has very nice Japanese-style pizza and pasta. They have many branches in Vietnam. I guess your next FR will be about the fake blondes! Bon appetit!

[QUOTE=Bigstud;2887828]I love that typo: "sit on the terrorist"! The Ethiopian place on Street 172 is great. I always get their vegan combo. Just down the street is Amazing Happy Pizza. Their pizza is only so-so but you can ask them to make it "extra happy"!

Pizza 4 P's has very nice Japanese-style pizza and pasta. They have many branches in Vietnam. I guess your next FR will be about the fake blondes! Bon appetit![/QUOTE]I'm sure I get better weed than what they put on the happy pizza.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2887908]I'm sure I get better weed than what they put on the happy pizza.[/QUOTE]For sure, but it's a fun experience anyway!

[QUOTE=Bigstud;2888079]For sure, but it's a fun experience anyway![/QUOTE]Not when you are from the States mate, hell I've put decarbed Moon Rocks on pizza like oregano, yum nomnom.

Now if the pizza was good, and the weed was better than mountain ditchweed, that would be one thing.

Did ya ever watch villagers smoke weed? They chop up ditchweed with tobacco into a fine powder and then rip it from Bamboo bongs. Its horrible just to think of.

Hi All, just returned from a work trip to Phnom Penh, Bangkok and Singapore, for about a week each. Didn't do much in Singapore due to work commitments, but did have some time in the other spots.

Phnom Penh: Lots of negativity towards the scene here recently, but it was my first mongering experience in SE Asia and I found it pretty easy and rewarding, actually. Maybe because I prepared by going back through this forum and kind of knew what to expect, so thanks to all the vets on here who have contributed through the months / years and really kept the board going.

Phnom Penh doesn't have the variety that Bangkok offers, in terms of where to find some action; there's none of BKK's massage parlors / nuru-gel salons that are a guarantee of sex (there are a lot of massage parlors, but most are known as rip-off spots that don't even offer FS, so I didn't bother to try). Also the online scene like FIWFANS or ThaiFriendly doesn't seem as active in PP, if it's active at all. And there isn't much in terms of freelancer street action, unlike Nana Plaza or Thermae in BKK, except a few spots on Str 51 for your trans meth-head needs, and some clubs like Pontoon, which is barely holding on. And maybe I missed a lot of these scenes, as I was only there for a week; if so let me know!

So instead what you have is bars and bargirls, scattered along a few different areas. The Riverside streets like 136 and 130 are the "busiest," at least in terms of bars and girls on the street yelling for your attention, but in early February there still wasn't much action customer-wise. For me, though, the 130/136 scene was pretty overwhelming and almost too slick; I couldn't quite tell if all the bars and clubs there were mainly of the hostess variety, where they milk you for pricy drinks, lead you on for a bit, then present you with a bill and that's it, or if there was still a lot of "take-out" available. So many of the girls there seemed way more interested in looking at their phones than in talking, leaving it to the shoutiest one among them to try to flag down customers. And even when customers went up to them, they barely acknowledged it, which was weird, because the amount of girls-to-customers was about 10-1.

I wound up just walking down 130/136 for the scene, but Streets 118 or 104 were far more mellow and laidback, with some nice-looking women who seemed more than happy to head home with you. I also checked out Str 172, which is is a bit further away, but that was extremely dead, with only a handful of bars operating, and none of the staff outside them caught my eye.

The Street 51 area is far quieter than the riverside, but rewarding for me. It was formerly best known for the Golden Sorya Mall nearby, which was a huge source of freelancers, but that's been knocked down, so just a handful of hostess bars remain, along with the Heart of Darkness and Pontoon nightclubs and, as mentioned before, a few shuffling meth-heads. I walked into the Lady Fox Bar around the corner from Shanghai Bar / Restaurant (which had some freelancers, though a bit older), as I had some some pix of their staff and was atttracted to their 'full-figured' curves, but the women there were just full-figured, not curvy, LOL. White Cobra ((or the bar at its spot) had a group of loud tattooed Chinese dudes out front, living it up and grabbing the hostess's arms; one motioned me to come over and join them for some 'boom boom! Good time!" But I just smiled and walked on, not wanting to get too involved in that.

I finally went into the bar nearby, Plan be, which according to the mama-san had just opened recently. She was super friendly and asked me to choose from a quartet of smiling women; I chose the one with the biggest smile, and within about one minute we were quickly making out, with her guiding my hand to her breasts. "She likes you!" The mama-san said. I bought a drink for the girl and for the mama-san and her friend (always make friends with the mama-san, and always look generous, at least for first impressions), and by the time I had had three sips of it the mama-san was already telling me, "She likes you! Take her short-time! She can't do Long-time, has to help her mother! She good girl!" (Aren't they all, LOL). She quickly quoted me a $15 bar fine, plus $16 for four drinks, and a $50 short-time fee for two hours for later. And in about 10 minutes after walking into the bar, afer paying $31 for the barfine and four drinks, I was out the door with the girl and heading to my hotel. She was 25, big smile, short and curvy, nice natural breasts (most of which disappeared after the push-up bra was off, alas), and super giggly and excited.

Spare you the details, but it was fun. Really into it. Not quite an amateur, but not the jaded or all-business professional you're likely to encounter. Total cost for two hours: $81 ($15 barfine, $16 drinks, $50 fee). Got her WhatsApp contact, and two nights later she reached out, asked what I was up to. I was too tired to go over to the bar, so she volunteer to just come over to the hotel if I paid her barfine later, so, well, yes, of course. We did it all again. Total cost for about 2. 5 hours: $65 ($15 barfine, $50 fee).

Another night I was walking around the city and came across the infamous Cyrcee's Secret Bar on 130 (130 further down from the Riverside, though, cross-street 49.) It was open but I didn't go in, as around the corner is what seems to be another new spot, Sona Horny Secret Bar. (Terrible name, I know). It's got a Japanese anime mural on the outside wall, a pretty friendly door-guy, and a mama-san who was even friendlier. She dragged me into the bar at around 7 pm, with about 7-8 girls and exactly zero customers. Some 'roommates' originally from Kampot sat down next to me and, after some hellos, started making out with me even before the drinks were ordered. One was 32 (I learned this later), the other 27, both thin, all-natural bodies and faces, pretty cute. Again, I bought them both a drink, along with the mama-san, and within five minutes I was out the door with the 32-year-old. Barfine also $15, drinks about the same, and girl fee was also $50. They've got a relatively decent short-time hotel two blocks away, so we went there for fun. Next night I was back for the 27-year-old. (They were offering doubles, but I'm too old and was way too tired for that). Since we went to their short-time hotel, the sessions were each a little over one hour, as none of us really wanted to hang out there after the business was done. You could also take them to your hotel, if you'd prefer.

Sona Horny seems new (mama-san said it was a month or so old, but who knows), with a 'secret upstairs' for more fun. Other women working weren't the most eye-catching, but they all seemed, uh, friendly. Before 8 pm you might have the place to yourself; after my fun with the ladies, I walked them back to the bar (always a gentleman, LOL), and noticed it was a little more hopping.

Finally, I stopped into Pontoon a couple of nights to check it out. First night it was full of steroid bench bro's acting wired, men over 74, and a small handful of women, plus music so loud you could hear your teeth rattling, so I left after about 10 minutes. Second night they offered a free drink, and while I was sipping it I caught the eye of a woman, normally dressed, eyeing me up. She came over to me and started talking / flirting, and at first, as naive as I am, I thought Oh wow, I'm going to pick this normal lady up. She was mid-30's (35, I found out later), elegant more fine-boned classic features, but dressed in a "regular," non-slutty outfit of jeans and t-shirt. Then, of course, "I like you, but could you pay for me to come back with you?" Anyway, I still brought her back to the hotel. Total cost: $55. No barfine, no drinks. (At Pontoon the ladies drink for free on non-weekend nights). She stayed for about two hours, we had a good time.

Overall: none of the four women I hooked up with were clock-watchers, all-business, or impatient. They were all surprisingly kind, super easy-going, and friendly from the start. I think it helps if you go into the situations with a smile and a friendly, open attitude. "You have good heart," "I like you; You so nice," is what I heard a lot of. "Some guys rude, too rough. " Of course, that's maybe kind of like when people describe unattractive women as "having a nice personality," LOL, but I'll still take it. (Full confession: I'm late 40's, Caucasian, normal height and size, so not extra-large or even super-buff, which from what I hear kind of scares some of them off). It doesn't seem like most of the women there are hardcore professionals (though probably on Streets 130/136 they may be, since it's where everyone goes), so it makes sense they're more open with guys that don't have attitudes and aren't total dicks, as that kind of drama is just not worth it for them.

Also: be generous, especially for first impressions. Check the cost of course, but buy the girl and the mamasan a drink without whining about it. It'll pay off later; barfines of $10-$15 might be more like $25-$30 if you're being a dick. When you leave the bar, the girls will probably have a tuk-tuk driver nearby they'll want to use, and it'll be way more than what a Grab or PassApp tuk-tuk will be. But just let them do it, as it's probably someone they trust to look out for them, and even a tuk-tuk charge that's twice the amount means its just $2 USD instead of $1 USD. Also, learning to say even Hello, and goodbye and thank you in Khmer will get you a lot of smiles, whether with the bar girls, the tuk-tuk drivers, the hotel staff, or whoever. Maybe they're laughing at you, who cares, but it does break the ice and they appreciate it.

Finally, as always, when they ask you when you arrived / when you're leaving, it's always good to say I've been here for a week or more, so they don't think you're a total newbie, and I'll be staying for a couple of weeks, so they'll want to make sure to treat you well enough, for some repeat business later.

Sorry for long report, just wanted to add to the forum and give a snapshot of the scene in 2024. I'll post my Bangkok experiences in that forum later on. Might actually return to PP for work in the summer, so if anyone has any tips / suggestions on those riverside bars along 130/136, places that aren't just hostess bars, that'd be great.

Fantastic report, thanks WintersLight.

Definitely RoD.

[QUOTE=WintersLight;2892963]Hi All, just returned from a work trip to Phnom Penh, Bangkok and Singapore, for about a week each. Didn't do much in Singapore due to work commitments, but did have some time in the other spots.

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When reading here and hearing on youtube about PP barscene I hear that ST is 50 US dollars + 15 US dollars for the barfine. It seems like alot for Cambodia and what the average monthly salary is there. Is it really true? Or is it just that the women try 50 dollars but will accept 30 if you insist on paying 30? 30 dollars is 10% of an average monthly salary in PP.

[URL]https://checkinprice.com/average-and-minimum-salary-in-phnom-penh-cambodia/[/URL]

It does not seem to me that with so many girls sitting around that it should be hard to find any girl that is ok with 30 us dollars. It just seems very very strange that you should be turned down by an average looking girl (6/10) for 30 dollars in a country with little customers and low wages. Accroding to what I hear the local cambodian guys pays around 20 dollars.

Or is this reports about some guy wanting a really good looking girl and getting a price of 50 dollars for ST? Sure of she is 8+ then she will proberbly ask more.

[QUOTE=WintersLight;2892963]Hi All, just returned from a work trip to Phnom Penh, Bangkok and Singapore, for about a week each. Didn't do much in Singapore due to work commitments, but did have some time in the other spots.

...[/QUOTE]Great report. Thank you.

[QUOTE=KrumeLurer;2893296]When reading here and hearing on youtube about PP barscene I hear that ST is 50 US dollars + 15 US dollars for the barfine. It seems like alot for Cambodia and what the average monthly salary is there. Is it really true? Or is it just that the women try 50 dollars but will accept 30 if you insist on paying 30? 30 dollars is 10% of an average monthly salary in PP.

[URL]https://checkinprice.com/average-and-minimum-salary-in-phnom-penh-cambodia/[/URL]

It does not seem to me that with so many girls sitting around that it should be hard to find any girl that is ok with 30 us dollars. It just seems very very strange that you should be turned down by an average looking girl (6/10) for 30 dollars in a country with little customers and low wages. Accroding to what I hear the local cambodian guys pays around 20 dollars.

Or is this reports about some guy wanting a really good looking girl and getting a price of 50 dollars for ST? Sure of she is 8+ then she will proberbly ask more.[/QUOTE]Yeah that's a good question. I didn't bother to negotiate because I thought the girls were worth it, and because I didn't want them to lose face (pride is a BIG thing in Cambodia, as it is in many Asian countries of course), especially on a first impression. But I'm sure it wouldn't hurt to counter with $40 and just see what happens. I'd probably wouldn't risk offering $30-$35, though, as those days seem to be a long time ago, and the market seems to have been really reset after COVID and after the influx of Chinese / Korean / Japanese tourists who don't mind paying whatever. Sure you'll have some old-timers on the board who'll tell us all about the times they had four girls over at once for $5 each, and they each made the guy breakfast afterwards, etc etc, but those prices might just exist in memory now.

Also, at the bars I was at, it seemed like it was actually still the mama-san who gave you the quotes both for barfines AND the ST / LT fees, instead of the girl, so in those cases it's simply a matter of the business owner setting the market price for their products (ie their girls). The mama-san isn't letting their product walk out the door for $35, that's for sure, so you would need to whisper / negotiate directly with the girl. And the girl isn't about to let her friends / coorkers know that she's only worth $35-$40 to this dude who just walked in, she's got a reputation too, LOL, so it'd have to be just between you. If you're picking up a freelancer at Pontoon or Shanghai or wherever, though, you should probably bargain; in my cases I didn't because I thought the girl was worth it, but next time I would.

I know what you mean about cost of living, but also remember that the girls working in these spots are probably blowing a lot of that money just to stay competitive in that scene: makeup, clothes, paying for that shit plastic surgeon, etc. (Especially those girls on 130/136). I don't know if you've ever browsed through the IG's of some of these bar girls (I started following a few just for fun), but they at least like to pretend they're living a Gucci life, and that costs way more than the average cost of living. There's a bunch of newish malls in PP with all the fancy brand-name stores, and those $50ST fees are probably funding some of them.

I'd imagine there are plenty of local spots that are just $20 or whatever, but you're probably getting what you pay for, and that's probably a stained mattress on the floor of some non aircon'd flophouse, with five minutes of the "old in-and-out. ' But all in all, it's a good question, and you might as well bargain for less than $50, and just go from there.

[QUOTE=KrumeLurer;2893296]When reading here and hearing on youtube about PP barscene I hear that ST is 50 US dollars + 15 US dollars for the barfine. It seems like alot for Cambodia and what the average monthly salary is there. Is it really true? Or is it just that the women try 50 dollars but will accept 30 if you insist on paying 30? 30 dollars is 10% of an average monthly salary in PP.

[URL]https://checkinprice.com/average-and-minimum-salary-in-phnom-penh-cambodia/[/URL]

It does not seem to me that with so many girls sitting around that it should be hard to find any girl that is ok with 30 us dollars. It just seems very very strange that you should be turned down by an average looking girl (6/10) for 30 dollars in a country with little customers and low wages. Accroding to what I hear the local cambodian guys pays around 20 dollars.

Or is this reports about some guy wanting a really good looking girl and getting a price of 50 dollars for ST? Sure of she is 8+ then she will proberbly ask more.[/QUOTE]If you're worrying over $20 perhaps you should give up hookers and try masturbation.

You are right about 50 dollars being expensive for Cambodia. Unfortunately it seems to be the going rate. Yes some will go for less but there is a lot of pressure from other girls in the bar and other bars to not drop the price. Add in the barfine and lady drinks and it is BS but the market has been boosted to this level and it is not easy to dodge, especially if you are only staying a few days or a week.

The guy below who paid a 15 dollar barfine and another 50 bucks for a girl that contacted him is a good example of how to save some dough if you try a bit. First off, tell her to come over the following day before work (no barfine) and offer 30 bucks instead of 50. Half price session and everybody wins. Would she have taken the offer? Who knows, probably a 50/50 chance but well worth a try. Some expats with a lot of time do this, but they have the luxury of. Time.

[QUOTE=WintersLight;2892963]Since we went to their short-time hotel, the sessions were each a little over one hour, as none of us really wanted to hang out there after the business was done. You could also take them to your hotel, if you'd prefer.[/QUOTE]Excellent report and you have convinced me to at least spend a few days there in addition to Thailand just for a change in scenery. You mentioned using a short time hotel for one of your sessions. Was there any reason why you didn't use your own hotel this time? What was the rate for that short time room?

[QUOTE=Exoticspirit;2893407]Excellent report and you have convinced me to at least spend a few days there in addition to Thailand just for a change in scenery. You mentioned using a short time hotel for one of your sessions. Was there any reason why you didn't use your own hotel this time? What was the rate for that short time room?[/QUOTE]Thanks for reminder about room cost, I forgot to mention that. It was $8 USD or the equivalent in Cambodian riel for 1 HR'ish (they didn't really give a time limit, we were in there about 75 mins without any call or hassle).

Reason for it is pretty uncomplicated but silly: I had already brought two different women back over three nights to my hotel, so just didn't want to bother this time, and also it was a little earlier in the evening, when the cute hotel desk girl on the day-shift was still working, LOL. Once the night shift guy started at 10 pm, I didn't care what he thought. (Seriously, these idiot things actually went through my head). Also wanted to try the short-time hotel experience out, and since it wasn't that terrible I did it the next night too. And, finally, my hotel was about a 7-10 min tuk-tuk ride away, but the short-term hotel was just a block.

Thanks for the kind words about the report! Like I noted, BKK has the prettier girls for sure, and the most variety of ways to hook up with them, but PP has more girls that are still all-natural in terms of no plastic surgery, and it was just a lot more fun to be with them, even if they were probably more 7's than 9's or 10's. Less plastic both in appearance and attitude, I guess, just a chiller vibe for me anyway. And you're not wading through a huge scrum of other dudes to find them, like in BKK.

[QUOTE=Exoticspirit;2893407]Excellent report and you have convinced me to at least spend a few days there in addition to Thailand just for a change in scenery. You mentioned using a short time hotel for one of your sessions. Was there any reason why you didn't use your own hotel this time? What was the rate for that short time room?[/QUOTE]Thats sort of like going from an FKK to a Nigerian Chicken shack for a change of scene.

You want a change of scene from Thaialnd? Not enough monegring cities there?

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2888323]Not when you are from the States mate, hell I've put decarbed Moon Rocks on pizza like oregano, yum nomnom.

Now if the pizza was good, and the weed was better than mountain ditchweed, that would be one thing.

Did ya ever watch villagers smoke weed? They chop up ditchweed with tobacco into a fine powder and then rip it from Bamboo bongs. Its horrible just to think of.[/QUOTE]How about a little moon rock on a nice Peppina pizza from BKK with some magic mushrooms thrown on top? That should make you very happy!

[QUOTE=Bigstud;2893490]How about a little moon rock on a nice Peppina pizza from BKK with some magic mushrooms thrown on top? That should make you very happy![/QUOTE]Pizza Pala Romana at Asoke MRT.

[QUOTE=WintersLight;2892963] . . . the infamous Cyrcee's Secret Bar on 130[/QUOTE]Just to clarify, the place on 130 was the second and final location of Cyrcee. The French-Algerian guy sold it and it has reopened under the new owner, a Khmer I think. New name, which I don't remember. Only has a few girls at present. "Sona Secret Horny Bar", which occupies the original location of Cyrcee on St. 49, has a bigger and better selection. But forget the rooms upstairs. Unless they were holding out on me there's no bed, just a really uncomfortable little wooden sofa. Better to walk over to Happiness GH, the place they normally use, and pay a few bucks for a decent room.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2893382]If you're worrying over $20 perhaps you should give up hookers and try masturbation.[/QUOTE]If you think you look better than others by paying double or more than what the local guys pay, then that's up to you. I rather pay a fee closer to what locals pay and save my money. What is the point of paying for expensive flights and then end up paying what you pay in Europe? Western Europe that is. It makes no sense at all.

Its also seems like PP barscene is not that popular and still they are having a high pricing strategy. Not enough people comes but yes, lets keep the prices high for the few that does come.

[QUOTE=KrumeLurer;2893615]If you think you look better than others by paying double or more than what the local guys pay, then that's up to you. I rather pay a fee closer to what locals pay and save my money. What is the point of paying for expensive flights and then end up paying what you pay in Europe? Western Europe that is. It makes no sense at all.

Its also seems like PP barscene is not that popular and still they are having a high pricing strategy. Not enough people comes but yes, lets keep the prices high for the few that does come.[/QUOTE]Nobody knows what I pay except me and the girl. Personally, in the interaction between male and female for purchasing pussy, I find it distasteful to nickel and dime over a few dollars because I think the locals payless. I don't think it's good for the interaction between the parties when it all starts off with the dude telling the girl sweetie you're not worth the extra five bucks.

And folks wonder why gentleman from India are looked down upon by the bar girls in Bangkok. I'm sure the cheap Charlie's get some eye rolls in Phnom too.

P.S. in my social circle, girls in Europe aren't $50. If you're really interested in cheap fun, try Gary Indiana.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2893629]Nobody knows what I pay except me and the girl. Personally, in the interaction between male and female for purchasing pussy, I find it distasteful to nickel and dime over a few dollars because I think the locals payless. I don't think it's good for the interaction between the parties when it all starts off with the dude telling the girl sweetie you're not worth the extra five bucks.

And folks wonder why gentleman from India are looked down upon by the bar girls in Bangkok. I'm sure the cheap Charlie's get some eye rolls in Phnom too.

P.S. in my social circle, girls in Europe aren't $50. If you're really interested in cheap fun, try Gary Indiana.[/QUOTE]I don't think its so distastefull at all to ask for prices that are not to different from what is a reasonable price in that country. Does not have to be exactly what the local guys pay but we can not go in to an amount of money that is DOUBLE or more than what the local guys pay. Thats overpricing tourists. And it does not really seem to be a model that is working good for anyone. We are not talking about "five bucks" as you write. We are talking about DOUBLE the money, ok?

Indian guys make the same money as people in Thailand, if they are to travel to Thailand then why should they pay so much more?

When on this webpage we see ads for what it cost in Europe. What is the point for many guys to pay expensive flights and long vacations to then pay almost the same? It makes no sense. And it does not really work out well for anyone in the end.

But if you have a ton of money and want to spend big, then go ahead. To me it does not matter. I don't feel more prestigous just because I pay a girl in PP 50 dollars when she would go with a local for 20 dollars. And paying 50 dollars does nto break my bankaccount.

[QUOTE=KrumeLurer;2893752]I don't think its so distastefull at all to ask for prices that are not to different from what is a reasonable price in that country. Does not have to be exactly what the local guys pay but we can not go in to an amount of money that is DOUBLE or more than what the local guys pay. Thats overpricing tourists. And it does not really seem to be a model that is working good for anyone. We are not talking about "five bucks" as you write. We are talking about DOUBLE the money, ok?

Indian guys make the same money as people in Thailand, if they are to travel to Thailand then why should they pay so much more?

When on this webpage we see ads for what it cost in Europe. What is the point for many guys to pay expensive flights and long vacations to then pay almost the same? It makes no sense. And it does not really work out well for anyone in the end.

But if you have a ton of money and want to spend big, then go ahead. To me it does not matter. I don't feel more prestigous just because I pay a girl in PP 50 dollars when she would go with a local for 20 dollars. And paying 50 dollars does nto break my bankaccount.[/QUOTE]Charging tourists more for not just girls but many other things is not unusual in many countries unfortunately. I recall in a brothel in Singapore the papasan even told me that they charge less for Singapore locals (he didn't give any reasons why). In Latin America, there is the so called 'gringo price' that tourists pay. Not fair but that's the way it's done at many foreign places and they see us tourists still paying premium so they will continue to charge us more.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2893492]Pizza Pala Romana at Asoke MRT.[/QUOTE]One of my all-time favs! Grab a slice or two and go. Panetti at Emsphere (by Peppina) is also great, and they even have a vegan pizza!

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2893492]Pizza Pala Romana at Asoke MRT.[/QUOTE]This pizzeria restaurant, situated in the most unlikely of locations, used to be great, but the last time I went there in June 2019 (pre covid) they had cut back on the herbs and their pizza had a lot less flavor. IMHO. I hope their pizzas have gotten better since covid, but I doubt it. Has anything gotten better in LOS since covid?

[QUOTE=AxelHeyst;2894009]This pizzeria restaurant, situated in the most unlikely of locations, used to be great, but the last time I went there in June 2019 (pre covid) they had cut back on the herbs and their pizza had a lot less flavor. IMHO. I hope their pizzas have gotten better since covid, but I doubt it. Has anything gotten better in LOS since covid?[/QUOTE]Everything has gotten better everywhere since covid. Haven't eaten the pizza in a month, but to me it's the same as it's always been, which is excellent. The best is when you get there at closing time and there's still some of their rustic potato pizzas left and you can grab a few slices to take home.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2894142]Everything has gotten better everywhere since covid. [/QUOTE]Really? OK, please enlighten me because I really want to know. Specifically, since 2018/2019, what has gotten better, in your humble opinion? 1) Phnom hostess bars?, 2) BKK and Pattaya Go Go's?, 3) Soi 6?, 4) Sukhumvit olies? 5) BKK soapies? The overall SW scene (who cares)? What has gotten better?

[QUOTE=AxelHeyst;2894165]Really? OK, please enlighten me because I really want to know. Specifically, since 2018/2019, what has gotten better, in your humble opinion? 1) Phnom hostess bars?, 2) BKK and Pattaya Go Go's?, 3) Soi 6?, 4) Sukhumvit olies? 5) BKK soapies? The overall SW scene (who cares)? What has gotten better?[/QUOTE]Everything has gotten better since Covid. We're you here during Covid? Have you been back since? If not, how would you judge whatever specific I won't give you because I don't jump if someone says how high or asks silly question.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2894625]Everything has gotten better since Covid. We're you here during Covid? Have you been back since? If not, how would you judge whatever specific I won't give you because I don't jump if someone says how high or asks silly question.[/QUOTE]I specifically asked you what's gotten better since before Covid, before SE Asia was shut down, not since Covid. It was a straightforward honest question. I am sorry you took it the wrong way. But maybe your harsh response to me is the answer: things have not gotten better since I was last in SE Asia in June 2019, it has gotten worse. Thank you for your reply.

[QUOTE=AxelHeyst;2895392]I specifically asked you what's gotten better since before Covid, before SE Asia was shut down, not since Covid. It was a straightforward honest question. I am sorry you took it the wrong way. But maybe your harsh response to me is the answer: things have not gotten better since I was last in SE Asia in June 2019, it has gotten worse. Thank you for your reply.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2894625]Everything has gotten better since Covid. We're you here during Covid? Have you been back since? If not, how would you judge whatever specific I won't give you because I don't jump if someone says how high or asks silly question.[/QUOTE]Technically speaking, gentlemen, would you characterize this exchange as a "pissing contest" or is it more of a "dick-size competition"?

Just wondering.

[QUOTE=WombatEd2;2895492]Technically speaking, gentlemen, would you characterize this exchange as a "pissing contest" or is it more of a "dick-size competition"?

Just wondering.[/QUOTE]Sorry mate, there is no pissing contest here. Just 2 guys with a different opinion about a pizza place that may or may not be due to a difference in time and most likely a case of a misread question or misunderstanding of intent. No big deal. But the question arises, if you really thought this was a pissing content, why would you want to get in the middle of it? You might get wet.

[QUOTE=WombatEd2;2895492]Technically speaking, gentlemen, would you characterize this exchange as a "pissing contest" or is it more of a "dick-size competition"?

Just wondering.[/QUOTE]It's neither. It's another day on the internet.

[QUOTE=AxelHeyst;2895392]I specifically asked you what's gotten better since before Covid, before SE Asia was shut down, not since Covid. It was a straightforward honest question. I am sorry you took it the wrong way. But maybe your harsh response to me is the answer: things have not gotten better since I was last in SE Asia in June 2019, it has gotten worse. Thank you for your reply.[/QUOTE]Not for me it hasn't. I'm here, tons of cheap weed and all the pussy I want. And enough herbs on the pizza for my taste.

[QUOTE=AxelHeyst;2895524]Sorry mate, there is no pissing contest here. Just 2 guys with a different opinion about a pizza place that may or may not be due to a difference in time and most likely a case of a misread question or misunderstanding of intent. No big deal. But the question arises, if you really thought this was a pissing content, why would you want to get in the middle of it? You might get wet.[/QUOTE]Nice. Very clever and witty response. Who wants to cop a golden shower from two blokes not only on a different page, but reading two completely different books!!

Anyways. Back to PP for me in 4 weeks. Looking forward to some fun times with some field reports to follow!!

Buck fifty cans and 2:50 mee cha. How can you go wrong.. Oh yeah- padded bar tabs in dodgy girly bars.LOL. Ill keep my wits up!!

Thanks for the reports and the banter gents.

DingoD.

[QUOTE=Mongering1;2873673]I'm going on my third month back and I have nothing new to report. The bars are mostly just lady drink places anymore. I don't mind buying lady drinks if the girl is accommodating, but I'm certainly not going to waste my time and money to watch a girl drink. It's also true, but as it's been said, the girls start off asking over the top prices for short time. It gets frustrating! I'm thinking about moving to Thailand for a couple months just to have some fun because Cambodia is losing its thrill real fast.

Anyway, I'm headed down to street 172 right now and spend the afternoon in that area. I'll start off with a Khmer massage at my favorite massage place, Aurora (it's not really spelled that way) and then see what's up. I saw advertised on a message board about a new freelancer bar and hotel that's kind of across the street and I'll see what's up there. I check this site between stops daily. The name of the bar is floozies and apparently the girls aren't going to show up until around 7:00. I told the lady that I spoke to you that if I were going to wait until 7:00 I will go down to 136.[/QUOTE]Just curious. Did you get to Floozies and if so, what can you report, what were your impressions??

Thanks in adavance!!

[QUOTE=DingoD;2895669]Nice. Very clever and witty response. Who wants to cop a golden shower from two blokes not only on a different page, but reading two completely different books!!

Anyways. Back to PP for me in 4 weeks. Looking forward to some fun times with some field reports to follow!!

Buck fifty cans and 2:50 mee cha. How can you go wrong.. Oh yeah- padded bar tabs in dodgy girly bars.LOL. Ill keep my wits up!!

Thanks for the reports and the banter gents.

DingoD.[/QUOTE]If you are not coming here for another reason, I would change my reservation to BKK.

[QUOTE=AxelHeyst;2895524]if you really thought this was a pissing content, why would you want to get in the middle of it? You might get wet.[/QUOTE]Good advice.

You might even take it yourself.

I stayed in the room a couple times, but as far as freelancers I didn't see any at any time. Apparently the freelancers are able to get lady drinks there so it's a unique situation. I wouldn't go out of my way for this place as a venue for sure. The last time I stayed there the lady which was about a three, older chubby, quoted me $50 for an hour. I'm not completely sure if her status there since she was the one to clean my room. I didn't take her up on it obviously.

[QUOTE=DingoD;2895672]Just curious. Did you get to Floozies and if so, what can you report, what were your impressions??

Thanks in adavance!![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Mongering1;2895836]I stayed in the room a couple times, but as far as freelancers I didn't see any at any time. Apparently the freelancers are able to get lady drinks there so it's a unique situation. I wouldn't go out of my way for this place as a venue for sure. The last time I stayed there the lady which was about a three, older chubby, quoted me $50 for an hour. I'm not completely sure if her status there since she was the one to clean my room. I didn't take her up on it obviously.[/QUOTE]So she cleans the room and changes the sheets etc. AND THEN offers to contribute to soiling the sheets? Hahahaha-that's one way to keep yourself in a job!

I think I had seen the advertising for this pre opening perhaps in the same Facebook group? It's certainly sounds like something not to go out of your way for, but invariably I find myself down on 172 for one reason or another so if I see it and it looks worth dropping in for a beer or two I will check it out!

Thanks for the reply at Mongering1.

Cheers.

[QUOTE=KrumeLurer;2893296]When reading here and hearing on youtube about PP barscene I hear that ST is 50 US dollars + 15 US dollars for the barfine. It seems like alot for Cambodia and what the average monthly salary is there. Is it really true? Or is it just that the women try 50 dollars but will accept 30 if you insist on paying 30? 30 dollars is 10% of an average monthly salary in PP.[/QUOTE]Price of prostitutes has nothing to do with "average monthly salary" in Cambodia or any other part of the world.

[QUOTE=KrumeLurer;2893752]Does not have to be exactly what the local guys pay but we can not go in to an amount of money that is DOUBLE or more than what the local guys pay. [/QUOTE]You might be surprised that "local guys" routinely pay $100-200 or more for prostitutes. Especially in KTV. If you've ever been here you'll notice a very high number of luxury vehicles driven by "local guys. " What you won't see is many white guys driving them.

[QUOTE=RickRock;2896042]You might be surprised that "local guys" routinely pay $100-200 or more for prostitutes. Especially in KTV. If you've ever been here you'll notice a very high number of luxury vehicles driven by "local guys. " What you won't see is many white guys driving them.[/QUOTE]You really think that most cambodians pay that? And that is the standard price? Almost a monthly salary? You are talking about the few few rich people in Cambodia.

[QUOTE=KrumeLurer;2896952]You really think that most cambodians pay that? And that is the standard price? Almost a monthly salary? You are talking about the few few rich people in Cambodia.[/QUOTE]Most cambodians pay 10 bucks or 20 bucks for a quickie in a tin Chicken Shack on a stained mattress without air conditioning or shower. You don't get a blowjob either. The cambodians who can afford it will drop hundreds of dollars in ktvs. If you want to minimize your costs, go find yourself a tin Chicken Shack somewhere. If you're going to exploit, exploit hard I always say. I hear you can get it for five bucks down by what Phanom.

[QUOTE=KrumeLurer;2893296]When reading here and hearing on youtube about PP barscene I hear that ST is 50 US dollars + 15 US dollars for the barfine. It seems like alot for Cambodia and what the average monthly salary is there. Is it really true? Or is it just that the women try 50 dollars but will accept 30 if you insist on paying 30? 30 dollars is 10% of an average monthly salary in PP.

[URL]https://checkinprice.com/average-and-minimum-salary-in-phnom-penh-cambodia/[/URL]

It does not seem to me that with so many girls sitting around that it should be hard to find any girl that is ok with 30 us dollars. It just seems very very strange that you should be turned down by an average looking girl (6/10) for 30 dollars in a country with little customers and low wages. Accroding to what I hear the local cambodian guys pays around 20 dollars.

Or is this reports about some guy wanting a really good looking girl and getting a price of 50 dollars for ST? Sure of she is 8+ then she will proberbly ask more.[/QUOTE]ST is uniformly quoted at 50 US $. When a Cambo girl says "LD only", "no boomboom", that is just a front. Some gals live on LD and will not go with you. But if you have game, patience and a little money. Most gals can be wooed in PP. After all, they are bored, they all like money, they like safety, health, discretion, money and romance. Let the mama san and the tuk tuk driver know what you need and good things will happen. Go out for dinner with her and ask her again to join you in your hotel room. When you pay 1000 US $ to fly there, why not use the charmof an additional 50 $ bill to make the young bird give in? The market in PP is not entirely efficient. In the tin shacks sometimes a gem can be found and wooed. It does not matter what the local guy pays, neither do national income averages matter. If you require top slim young talent, get the help of a tuk tuk driver and romance the lass you are after.

Hello and welcome to the first of many of my field reports, and I start with my favorite city for it.

I've been to PP for a couple of months and now coming back, I'm loving it, great vibe, good English, and interesting creative mongering.

After coming from Thailand I was very surprised with the market prices for ST and LT here, but after some time I figured you could still get better deals here, with normal hot girls, mostly on Tinder, but also in the great city night life adventures.

From browsing the famous streets with bars I realized you need a lot of luck to come up with something, there are a lot of beautiful girls that besides drink and talk would do nothing with you and a big waste of time.

But sometimes you just sit and a unique girl would approach that you can spend a lot of time with. Just need to be strong and not buy LD to whoever asking because it can escalate very fast to buy 4 LD at a time.

My approach this time would be to scan all the bars, sit for beers in as many as I can to look for catches from the great sea of amazing beauties Thailand can only dream of. These girls are not as experienced and commerce savvy as the Thai girls and they are more emotionally involved which adds some fun to me at least.

5 $ Massage places are a one big scam, of course didn't let them take my stuff to the notorious locker, but still got scammed with a miserable hand job for 30 $ even without massage.

Sour Amara Spa on Riverside has many beautiful girls, I've spent some time there with few girls, all good massages for 10 - 11 $ , some are only doing only hand jobs, some more, generally prices as I understand are 20 handjob 30 BJ 40 FS.

Silk Route got some nice girls sometimes and an upside room you can use for a changing price, but again, the cute beautiful girls only talk and drink. They also have Karaoke sometimes. Very nice bar.

That's it, was enough to satisfy me and also give me appetite to come back, continue and explore, would love to to connect to co. Mongers in PP for to join forces and look for the golden chicks.

[QUOTE=KinkiTourist;2898510]Hello and welcome to the first of many of my field reports, and I start with my favorite city for it.

I've been to PP for a couple of months and now coming back, I'm loving it, great vibe, good English, and interesting creative mongering.

After coming from Thailand I was very surprised with the market prices for ST and LT here, but after some time I figured you could still get better deals here, with normal hot girls, mostly on Tinder, but also in the great city night life adventures.

From browsing the famous streets with bars I realized you need a lot of luck to come up with something, there are a lot of beautiful girls that besides drink and talk would do nothing with you and a big waste of time.

But sometimes you just sit and a unique girl would approach that you can spend a lot of time with. Just need to be strong and not buy LD to whoever asking because it can escalate very fast to buy 4 LD at a time.

My approach this time would be to scan all the bars, sit for beers in as many as I can to look for catches from the great sea of amazing beauties Thailand can only dream of. These girls are not as experienced and commerce savvy as the Thai girls and they are more emotionally involved which adds some fun to me at least.

5 $ Massage places are a one big scam, of course didn't let them take my stuff to the notorious locker, but still got scammed with a miserable hand job for 30 $ even without massage.

Sour Amara Spa on Riverside has many beautiful girls, I've spent some time there with few girls, all good massages for 10 - 11 $ , some are only doing only hand jobs, some more, generally prices as I understand are 20 handjob 30 BJ 40 FS.

Silk Route got some nice girls sometimes and an upside room you can use for a changing price, but again, the cute beautiful girls only talk and drink. They also have Karaoke sometimes. Very nice bar.

That's it, was enough to satisfy me and also give me appetite to come back, continue and explore, would love to to connect to co. Mongers in PP for to join forces and look for the golden chicks.[/QUOTE]If you think Khmer girls in general are better looking than Thai girls I feel bad for you.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2898720]If you think Khmer girls in general are better looking than Thai girls I feel bad for you.[/QUOTE]Feeling bad for me is a weird choice of words I guess. But I like natural unexperienced young girls which I find common and accessible, don't like the slutty and professional type. These girls are perfect, in Thailand most girls had some flaws to my taste in face or body.

[QUOTE=KinkiTourist;2898854]Feeling bad for me is a weird choice of words I guess. But I like natural unexperienced young girls which I find common and accessible, don't like the slutty and professional type. These girls are perfect, in Thailand most girls had some flaws to my taste in face or body.[/QUOTE]I agree with both of you. Generalizations muddy the water. There are cute, young Thai birds just as there are such Khmer birds. Cambo is poorer than Thai, so you find less food addiction, less Miss Piggy, less tattoo craze, less professional jaded sex workers. On average more amateur, more try and see, less reliable to get the average punter where he or she wants to go, but if you have game and are willing to sacrifice "service" for "vacation roamance", Cambo is rewarding.

[QUOTE=Philosophus;2898964]I agree with both of you. Generalizations muddy the water. There are cute, young Thai birds just as there are such Khmer birds. Cambo is poorer than Thai, so you find less food addiction, less Miss Piggy, less tattoo craze, less professional jaded sex workers. On average more amateur, more try and see, less reliable to get the average punter where he or she wants to go, but if you have game and are willing to sacrifice "service" for "vacation roamance", Cambo is rewarding.[/QUOTE]Khmer girls age out fast and are usually thicker and more "natural" looking. I've smashed Khmer girls in the past but now I save my cash for monthly BKK runs.

[QUOTE=Philosophus;2898964]I agree with both of you. Generalizations muddy the water. There are cute, young Thai birds just as there are such Khmer birds. Cambo is poorer than Thai, so you find less food addiction, less Miss Piggy, less tattoo craze, less professional jaded sex workers. On average more amateur, more try and see, less reliable to get the average punter where he or she wants to go, but if you have game and are willing to sacrifice "service" for "vacation roamance", Cambo is rewarding.[/QUOTE]Well said, bottom line for me, after spending months in both countries. Like many other things, in Thailand I know what's waiting for me is comfort and fun. Girls who want purely my money or to be my exclusive GF.

In Cambo, what's waiting for me is cute young normal girls, students and such, who like to have fun, going out, and have amazing sex and fun while I support them, not much for me but they have to work a week for it.

In Thailand I can schedule with 3 girls and neither will show up as they might have got better offers, In Cambo, Girls reach out to me and then I pay less and they even stay the night.

In Thailand for every hot chick I'm competing with many other men while in Cambo the hot girls are competing for me.

So maybe not as much comfort but much more exciting.

And yes the girls are much hotter, In Thailand from 50 girls you see 2-3 hot ones, In PP you only need only around 10 for that.

[QUOTE=KinkiTourist;2899235]Well said, bottom line for me, after spending months in both countries. Like many other things, in Thailand I know what's waiting for me is comfort and fun. Girls who want purely my money or to be my exclusive GF.

In Cambo, what's waiting for me is cute young normal girls, students and such, who like to have fun, going out, and have amazing sex and fun while I support them, not much for me but they have to work a week for it.

In Thailand I can schedule with 3 girls and neither will show up as they might have got better offers, In Cambo, Girls reach out to me and then I pay less and they even stay the night.

In Thailand for every hot chick I'm competing with many other men while in Cambo the hot girls are competing for me.

So maybe not as much comfort but much more exciting.

And yes the girls are much hotter, In Thailand from 50 girls you see 2-3 hot ones, In PP you only need only around 10 for that.[/QUOTE]To each his own. No accounting for taste.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2899335]To each his own. No accounting for taste.[/QUOTE]More like no accounting for respect.

Why do you care what his preferences are and insist on belittling him? He's providing good reports with thoughtful reasoning.

[QUOTE=Euphori;2899419]More like no accounting for respect.

Why do you care what his preferences are and insist on belittling him? He's providing good reports with thoughtful reasoning.[/QUOTE]Agree I like the Phnom Penh and riverside.

Any one will be there to night?

[QUOTE=Euphori;2899419]More like no accounting for respect.

Why do you care what his preferences are and insist on belittling him? He's providing good reports with thoughtful reasoning.[/QUOTE]What are you the Forum police? Doesn't matter about the quality of his reports, the girls are ugly. I think if you surveyed a thousand random board members who have experience both in Cambodia and in Thailand as to where the better looking girls are, it sure as hell isn't going to be Cambodia. I don't particularly care about his preferences, I just don't want newcomers here to think that there walking into a Miss Universe pageant.

I'm kind of with you, Kinki. I've spent a lot of time in Cambodia since the early '90's, including a 5-year work / study stint. I've lived even longer in Thailand. My Thai is good and my Khmer is reasonable. And while Bangkok still obviously has far more quantity and variety than PP, over the past few years I find myself enjoying PP more. The girls generally are just less spoiled and more authentic. Bangkok can feel brutally commercial by comparison. The main caveat is that many of the nicest Cambodian girls speak little or no English. It also takes longer to learn how to get the good ones. Bangkok is much more point-and-shoot, so for most people it's an easier recommendation.

[QUOTE=Betong;2899741]I'm kind of with you, Kinki. I've spent a lot of time in Cambodia since the early '90's, including a 5-year work / study stint. I've lived even longer in Thailand. My Thai is good and my Khmer is reasonable. And while Bangkok still obviously has far more quantity and variety than PP, over the past few years I find myself enjoying PP more. The girls generally are just less spoiled and more authentic. Bangkok can feel brutally commercial by comparison. The main caveat is that many of the nicest Cambodian girls speak little or no English. It also takes longer to learn how to get the good ones. Bangkok is much more point-and-shoot, so for most people it's an easier recommendation.[/QUOTE]What's your method of getting the good ones in Cambodia?

[QUOTE=Betong;2899741]I'm kind of with you, Kinki. I've spent a lot of time in Cambodia since the early '90's, including a 5-year work / study stint. I've lived even longer in Thailand. My Thai is good and my Khmer is reasonable. And while Bangkok still obviously has far more quantity and variety than PP, over the past few years I find myself enjoying PP more. The girls generally are just less spoiled and more authentic. Bangkok can feel brutally commercial by comparison. The main caveat is that many of the nicest Cambodian girls speak little or no English. It also takes longer to learn how to get the good ones. Bangkok is much more point-and-shoot, so for most people it's an easier recommendation.[/QUOTE]I have been going to Cambodia for 15 years, I live in Vietnam and have traveled all over SEA and know the scenes in each country. PP is by far my favorite place ,2nd to Hanoi, PP is absolutely amazing and there are some really hot girls there. It blows Thailand out of the water. What happens inside the bars in PP does not happen in Thailand. I have shot so many loads inside the bars in PP, have had so many great girls over the years.

[QUOTE=Betong;2899741]I'm kind of with you, Kinki. I've spent a lot of time in Cambodia since the early '90's, including a 5-year work / study stint. I've lived even longer in Thailand. My Thai is good and my Khmer is reasonable. And while Bangkok still obviously has far more quantity and variety than PP, over the past few years I find myself enjoying PP more. The girls generally are just less spoiled and more authentic. Bangkok can feel brutally commercial by comparison. The main caveat is that many of the nicest Cambodian girls speak little or no English. It also takes longer to learn how to get the good ones. Bangkok is much more point-and-shoot, so for most people it's an easier recommendation.[/QUOTE]Thanks Betong, Nyezhov, HanoiM, and KinkiT. Only limited experience in PP and BKK (see my posts from a few weeks back), and taste / desire is entirely personal, but for me the main difference was the relative lack of plastic surgery, implants, and excessive tattoos in Cambodia compared to Thailand. Sure there's certainly plenty of young, un-modified women in Thailand who are genuine, but they tend to be overshadowed by so many ladies with bodies that look like lampposts with watermelons tied to the front and stickers stuck onto the back, LOL. The P4 P scene in Bangkok is so much easier and simpler to navigate overall, though, and the sheer # of options overshadow PP, and of course many mongers prefer that thin, enhanced look anyway, so it's easy to say BKK wins out overall in terms of visiting.

We could debate the pros / cons of the girls forever, though, and in PP I kind of avoided the busy riverside streets (130,136) that seemed to have more the more jaded girls. But along those streets, what are the bars that are the best to find friendlier girls that are open to ST / LT, and which are the ones where the girls are mainly just hostess types, ready to string you along and flirt while you buy them drinks, but then send you home alone while they go back to taking pictures of themselves and playing with filters on their phone? I know much of it just depends on personal connection, but if there are particular bars that the veterans here recommend (or recommend to avoid), it'd be good to hear.

Speaking of bars, what's up with White Cats / Blue Cats? I've been checking out their FB feed now and again, where a lot of their admittedly cute girls dance in front of the camera, but it seems like they're all just happy doing that. Sometimes they'll be customers in there for like 30-45 mins or longer, which seems about 25-40 mins too long if there's any hope of taking girls home.

Thanks all.

[QUOTE=NRandom940;2899742]What's your method of getting the good ones in Cambodia?[/QUOTE]The main thing is just putting in time on the ground. Basically, like someone else said here, I seldom bother with the big flashy bars with dozens and dozens of girls out front looking all tarted up. I try to get to know the smaller places along St. 5 or around the corner on St. 118 and 110. Turnover is pretty rapid and when I go back they'll often introduce me to a new girl or two. But of course the good ones get snapped up quickly, often never to return. And as I say, many speak almost no English.

[QUOTE=HanoiMongers;2899857]I have been going to Cambodia for 15 years, I live in Vietnam and have traveled all over SEA and know the scenes in each country. PP is by far my favorite place ,2nd to Hanoi, PP is absolutely amazing and there are some really hot girls there. It blows Thailand out of the water. What happens inside the bars in PP does not happen in Thailand. I have shot so many loads inside the bars in PP, have had so many great girls over the years.[/QUOTE]Any useful intel on Hanoi would be appreciated. I often go to HCM but have Viet partner & family in tow, which makes things very difficult. Been trying to get to DaNang & Nha Trang.

Didn't know the scene was so good in Hanoi or is it a case of a lot of groundwork to find the gems?

NI.

[QUOTE=NewImage;2900050]Any useful intel on Hanoi would be appreciated. I often go to HCM but have Viet partner & family in tow, which makes things very difficult. Been trying to get to DaNang & Nha Trang.

Didn't know the scene was so good in Hanoi or is it a case of a lot of groundwork to find the gems?

NI.[/QUOTE]I spent a lot of time figuring out the scene. There are many different types of scenes in Ha Noi, a lot of underground shit going on. I have been here almost 11 years and I speak Vietnamese so that is a huge huge plus. I have some local Vietnamese friends where I have taken them to areas and they were blown away that I knew about this place, as they didn't. Ha Noi has the best talent I have ever seen, you just have to know where to go, who to deal with and how to navigate, it is nothing like the south at all. But the girls here are amazing, plus I bang a lot of normal girls for free.

[QUOTE=HanoiMongers;2899857]I have been going to Cambodia for 15 years, I live in Vietnam and have traveled all over SEA and know the scenes in each country. PP is by far my favorite place ,2nd to Hanoi, PP is absolutely amazing and there are some really hot girls there. It blows Thailand out of the water. What happens inside the bars in PP does not happen in Thailand. I have shot so many loads inside the bars in PP, have had so many great girls over the years.[/QUOTE]I have been going to Bangkok for 30 years and I can assure you, if your fetish is public sex you can find it, although it was far more prevalent in the old days. What folks tend to ignore when they are trying to show how cool and on the cutting edge they are by licking their mongering chops about Jakarta, Hanoi, PP etc, is that in Bangkok, you are getting a world class city to monger in, with so much to do you won't be able to do it all. That shows in the number of tourists who flock there. Don't know many folks outside the backpacker crowd who say, oh lets go see the sights of Phnom Penh or, hey lets hang out in commie Hanoi.

But hey, folks go / live in cities other than Bangkok for a variety of reasons and if you are living in Hanoi or PP for whatever reason, you can navigate and take advantage of the mongering scene there, just like I do in BKK.

Again, the girls aren't hotter in PP, or Hanoi, they just suit your taste better. Keep in mind that in Cambodia, 90% of your bar girls are Khmer and will look Khmer. Meanwhile, over in Bangkok, your girls will be one of all the various ethnicities of Thailand, so if you like Khmer looks, you will find them or Lao, Hmong, Burmese, Chinese, Mon, Tai, Mien, Malay. Even Vietnamese: usually on Soi Nana. Got Thai gilrs in Hanoi?

[QUOTE=Betong;2900023]The main thing is just putting in time on the ground. Basically, like someone else said here, I seldom bother with the big flashy bars with dozens and dozens of girls out front looking all tarted up. I try to get to know the smaller places along St. 5 or around the corner on St. 118 and 110. Turnover is pretty rapid and when I go back they'll often introduce me to a new girl or two. But of course the good ones get snapped up quickly, often never to return. And as I say, many speak almost no English.[/QUOTE]That's the problem: time on the ground. You will spend all your time in bars. That's fine if you live there, not so much as a tourist, although why anyone would go to PP as a tourist is beyond me. Meanwhile, I leave for the Siem Reap airport at noonish, land at DMK at 5, unpacked and showered by 7, and by 9:30 I've already eaten, hit the weed store and short timed. Tourist life, although I've got years of BKK under my belt. That's not what is going to happen for newbies to Cambo.

And while Nana is sleazy and BKK is dirty, IMHO PP is a shithole.

The bottom line for newbies: No dudes, the girls aren't hotter in PP or Hanoi. There is more of a variety and selection of girls in BKK. If ya don't like roboboobs or back tatts, there are tons of girls without them. Its far more civilized for newbies. It has better infrastructure. The hotels, dollar for dollar are nicer. The food is far far better. If you know the rules (which are discernible from this forum), its easy to get laid with minimal effort. Hell, if you have minimal standards, you can get your willy gobbled in BJ bars with no effort other than unzipping.

And for you lonely-hearts searching for the one and only in various dives, its easier to marry them in Thailand as you need govt permission in Cambo.

For you Indian guys: you will find less prejudice in Cambodia.

For you potential retirees: Here where it gets interesting. Cambodian rules: be 55 and give us $290, see you next year. Need I go over the rules in Thailand, with bank deposits, exit permits, mandatory reports, etc? So, if you want to take advantage of both countries, get a Cambodian visa and go back and forth as you please. You won't get hassled at the borders either. If you want to have two big cities to monger in, base yourself in PP. If you need mongering breaks, then go to Siem Reap or Battabang and chill in between sprees. Oh and after the first year, you get a free temple pass, an enormous value considering that it costs like $79 a week for the hoi polloi. I'm out there 3 x plus a week, only costs about $8 for the round trip tuk tuk.

BTW, For anyone that goes to Cambodia / PP without traveling up to Siem for Angkor: shame on you.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2900120]I have been going to Bangkok for 30 years and I can assure you, if your fetish is public sex you can find it, although it was far more prevalent in the old days. What folks tend to ignore when they are trying to show how cool and on the cutting edge they are by licking their mongering chops about Jakarta, Hanoi, PP etc, is that in Bangkok, you are getting a world class city to monger in, with so much to do you won't be able to do it all. That shows in the number of tourists who flock there. Don't know many folks outside the backpacker crowd who say, oh lets go see the sights of Phnom Penh or, hey lets hang out in commie Hanoi.

But hey, folks go / live in cities other than Bangkok for a variety of reasons and if you are living in Hanoi or PP for whatever reason, you can navigate and take advantage of the mongering scene there, just like I do in BKK.

Again, the girls aren't hotter in PP, or Hanoi, they just suit your taste better. Keep in mind that in Cambodia, 90% of your bar girls are Khmer and will look Khmer. Meanwhile, over in Bangkok, your girls will be one of all the various ethnicities of Thailand, so if you like Khmer looks, you will find them or Lao, Hmong, Burmese, Chinese, Mon, Tai, Mien, Malay. Even Vietnamese: usually on Soi Nana. Got Thai gilrs in Hanoi?

That's the problem: time on the ground. You will spend all your time in bars. That's fine if you live there, not so much as a tourist, although why anyone would go to PP as a tourist is beyond me. Meanwhile, I leave for the Siem Reap airport at noonish, land at DMK at 5, unpacked and showered by 7, and by 9:30 I've already eaten, hit the weed store and short timed. Tourist life, although I've got years of BKK under my belt. That's not what is going to happen for newbies to Cambo.

And while Nana is sleazy and BKK is dirty, IMHO PP is a shithole.

BTW, For anyone that goes to Cambodia / PP without traveling up to Siem for Angkor: shame on you.[/QUOTE]That is your personal preference. Hanoi is by far better than Bangkok in every single way. I would never want to live in Thailand, I think Vietnam is the best place in the world, I prefer Hanoi and the north. There are some of the hottest girls in the world in Nam Dinh and Hai Phong. That is what makes us all different, we all have our own opinions. I have been to Thailand many times, but as far as the people, culture, travel, food, girls, you can't compare the two, Vietnam wins by a mile and I am very happy that it is not a comfortable scene for mongering here, I hope it is kept that way. It is a gem if you know what to do, but I will say speaking Vietnamese is essential to get into the deep depths of mongering.

My problem with PP is there is absolutely nothing to do until the bars open at night. I was always bored out of my mind. Le Cyrcee was the only thing I enjoyed opening late afternoon. Maybe it's changed now but when I last visited there wasn't even a shopping mall half the size of Terminal 21 in PP.

I'd only return there if a group of my friends all went at the same time and I would hang with them.

[QUOTE=HanoiMongers;2900093]I spent a lot of time figuring out the scene. There are many different types of scenes in Ha Noi, a lot of underground shit going on. I have been here almost 11 years and I speak Vietnamese so that is a huge huge plus. I have some local Vietnamese friends where I have taken them to areas and they were blown away that I knew about this place, as they didn't. Ha Noi has the best talent I have ever seen, you just have to know where to go, who to deal with and how to navigate, it is nothing like the south at all. But the girls here are amazing, plus I bang a lot of normal girls for free.[/QUOTE]Yeah there is a HUGE difference in mongering opportunities for guys who regularly visit or live in a place vs those who pop in for 2/3 wks. Local Knowledge + speaking the language is a big plus.

I don't think I am the average type of monger and require modifications to the usual service. I find this difficult to communicate to the ladies who can't speak English.

Appreciate reply.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2900178]My problem with PP is there is absolutely nothing to do until the bars open at night. I was always bored out of my mind. Le Cyrcee was the only thing I enjoyed opening late afternoon. Maybe it's changed now but when I last visited there wasn't even a shopping mall half the size of Terminal 21 in PP.

I'd only return there if a group of my friends all went at the same time and I would hang with them.[/QUOTE]Yes this tends to be my bugbear when I travel too. I'm not a stay up to 3 am big drinker, sleep till 12, wake up eat, watch some TV, lay by the pool and then repeat type of guy. I'm a into bed by 12, body clock goes off at 7, to the gym and by 10 ish what are we going to do? The in bed by 12 is a major bummer as in many places the real fun starts after 12. I've started a list of things to occupy me incl going to movies, bowling, sight seeing, shopping, etc etc. That's why I love beach side locations. Snokelling, scuba, swim, paddle.

NI.

[QUOTE=HanoiMongers;2900158]That is your personal preference. Hanoi is by far better than Bangkok in every single way. I would never want to live in Thailand, I think Vietnam is the best place in the world, I prefer Hanoi and the north. There are some of the hottest girls in the world in Nam Dinh and Hai Phong. That is what makes us all different, we all have our own opinions. I have been to Thailand many times, but as far as the people, culture, travel, food, girls, you can't compare the two, Vietnam wins by a mile and I am very happy that it is not a comfortable scene for mongering here, I hope it is kept that way. It is a gem if you know what to do, but I will say speaking Vietnamese is essential to get into the deep depths of mongering.[/QUOTE]LOL, and Hanoi is your personal preference. OK. But don't try to convince the world that Hanoi is better than BKK, the tourist numbers alone decry that ego boosting assertion.

As you say, you are happy that's Hanoi is not a comfortable mongering scene. Well it sure is in BKK. Winner.

[QUOTE=HanoiMongers;2900158]That is your personal preference. Hanoi is by far better than Bangkok in every single way. I would never want to live in Thailand, I think Vietnam is the best place in the world, I prefer Hanoi and the north. There are some of the hottest girls in the world in Nam Dinh and Hai Phong. That is what makes us all different, we all have our own opinions. I have been to Thailand many times, but as far as the people, culture, travel, food, girls, you can't compare the two, Vietnam wins by a mile and I am very happy that it is not a comfortable scene for mongering here, I hope it is kept that way. It is a gem if you know what to do, but I will say speaking Vietnamese is essential to get into the deep depths of mongering.[/QUOTE]LOL, and Hanoi is your personal preference. OK. But don't try to convince the world that Hanoi is better than BKK, the tourist numbers alone decry that ego boosting assertion.

As you say, you are happy that's Hanoi is not a comfortable mongering scene. Well it sure is in BKK. Winner.

Regardless, this is a Cambodia forum. You going to make yourslef look sillier by telling folks PP is better than BKK.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2900311]LOL, and Hanoi is your personal preference. OK. But don't try to convince the world that Hanoi is better than BKK, the tourist numbers alone decry that ego boosting assertion.

As you say, you are happy that's Hanoi is not a comfortable mongering scene. Well it sure is in BKK. Winner.[/QUOTE]Anyone I have taken to my spots in Hanoi and Nam Dinh, they could not believe it. Bangkok is a shitty place, keep going to BKK, you wouldn't know what to do in a city like Hanoi, you seem like a real idiot. BKK sucks.

[QUOTE=HanoiMongers;2900327]Anyone I have taken to my spots in Hanoi and Nam Dinh, they could not believe it. Bangkok is a shitty place, keep going to BKK, you wouldn't know what to do in a city like Hanoi, you seem like a real idiot. BKK sucks.[/QUOTE]LOL. Validation from your friends. How scientific.

Bet you dollars to Donuts that you're one of the many expats in Vietnam and Cambodia who can't get into thailand. Seen a lot on the message boards, Thailand tossed you out out or won't let you in, and you spend your time bashing the place. Interesting that you're doing it on a Cambodian board. They must have really hurt your feelings a little fella, you're stuck in a second rate City while everyone else goes to Bangkok haha sucks to be you.

For those of you interested in Hanoi now that Mr expert has come over here, I suggest you read the first three to five pages of the Hanoi forum. Remember such comments from reputable posters such as no infrastructure, mercenary people, traffic, crappy hotels etc. Remember such comments from reputable posters talking about how bad the scene is there and how nasty and rude the people are. Absorb, with bated breath, Mr Hanoi mongers statement that he knows where to get sex from ugly girls for $8. I dare say he's probably a Vietnamese American with a little bit of national pride, low standards and a lot of ego.

Based on the comments I saw over there, I will venture to say that Phnom Penh is probably a superior mongering venue to hanoi.

Mind you, nothing affects me since I live in Siem Reap and Monger in Bangkok, quite successfully I may add. I guess some folks don't like the fact they can't find $8 ugly girls there.

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Ok never been but going soon. Best place to stay = Riverside research says but where near riverside? 130 street, 135 street, Near LE Crycee or Pontoon?

Prefer quick walk back to hotel from bars or do most guys get tuk tuk to take them around?

Looking at Sun & Moon? Any 4 star around Riverside near where I want to be. Maybe up to 100 UD per night?? Not too noisy at night.

Appreciate.

NI.

[QUOTE=NewImage;2901455]Best place to stay = Riverside research says but where near riverside? 130 street, 135 street, Near LE Crycee or Pontoon?[/QUOTE]Le Crycee and Pontoon are walkable, but not really near the riverside. Street 130 is on the northern edge. IMO, Street 136 is the heart of the hostess bar / riverside area. Note, since the Streets run perpendicular to the riverside, your hotel on Street 136 (or any other street) can be either next to the riverside, or fairly far away.

[QUOTE=NewImage;2901455]Prefer quick walk back to hotel from bars or do most guys get tuk tuk to take them around?

Looking at Sun & Moon? Any 4 star around Riverside near where I want to be. Maybe up to 100 UD per night?? Not too noisy at night.[/QUOTE]From your stated preferences, I would recommend Amanjaya Hotel. Check Agoda or [URL]https://www.amanjaya-suites-phnom-penh.com/[/URL].

Standard room is around $85. It is a 4 star hotel. Large rooms. Guest friendly. Short walk to Street 136. Faces the riverside. Very comfortable beds. Since there are no bars facing the hotel, it is fairly quiet. You get some traffic noise, but it isn't that bad; a lot better than before; it seems people do not honk as much as before.

There are a lot of good 3 star options on / near Street 136 at half the price as above. Lux Hotel has a great location on Street 136. The rooms in the front is probably noisy, but the rooms in the back are quiet. Guest friendly. But the problem is that the beds are not that good. There are numerous other 3 star hotels around that area that has comfortable beds.

[QUOTE=NewImage;2901455]Ok never been but going soon. Best place to stay = Riverside research says but where near riverside? 130 street, 135 street, Near LE Crycee or Pontoon?

Prefer quick walk back to hotel from bars or do most guys get tuk tuk to take them around?

Looking at Sun & Moon? Any 4 star around Riverside near where I want to be. Maybe up to 100 UD per night?? Not too noisy at night.

Appreciate.

NI.[/QUOTE]Sun and Moon is a 4* hotel about 2 blocks from the Riverside IIRC. Excellent, large rooms, $10 joiner fees (at least it was years ago). Rooms were around $60. For a quiet room, though, you'll need to specifically ask for an interior room (not a winner in terms of the view, LOL).

The best feature of this hotel is an amazing roof pool, but according to a recent report you must now pay for a spa entrance to use it. Don't know how much. I'd probably pay for the pool if stayed there, it's that good.

[QUOTE=NewImage;2901455]Ok never been but going soon. Best place to stay = Riverside research says but where near riverside? 130 street, 135 street, Near LE Crycee or Pontoon?

Prefer quick walk back to hotel from bars or do most guys get tuk tuk to take them around?

Looking at Sun & Moon? Any 4 star around Riverside near where I want to be. Maybe up to 100 UD per night?? Not too noisy at night..[/QUOTE]I was very happy with the Lux 2 months ago, very large room at the back of the hotel, quiet good large bed, girlfriendly and less than 50 $.

[QUOTE=NewImage;2901455]Ok never been but going soon. Best place to stay = Riverside research says but where near riverside? 130 street, 135 street, Near LE Crycee or Pontoon?

Prefer quick walk back to hotel from bars or do most guys get tuk tuk to take them around?

Looking at Sun & Moon? Any 4 star around Riverside near where I want to be. Maybe up to 100 UD per night?? Not too noisy at night.

Appreciate.

NI.[/QUOTE]It's not too late to change your plans.

I have been offered the opportunity to spend 5 weeks in Phnom Penh and I don't know whether to accept it.

It'll be for work but at least 95% of my time will be my own.

The problem in that I visited PP around 15 years ago (my pre-mongering days) and although I didn't dislike the city, there wasn't a whole lot to do and I feel like 5 weeks may be longer than I'd care to stay there. The only thing that's giving it some interest is the thought of banging some cheap young Khmer girls. But truth be told, I've no idea what the scene is like.

I like 18-21 year olds. Assuming I'm able to bring girls back to wherever I'm staying, is there a steady supply of girls in that age range? I'm assuming I'd need to find them in bars. What is the usual price for girls to stay all night and into the next morning?

Also, are there many massage parlours there these days?

[QUOTE=Pyrrhus;2903672]I have been offered the opportunity to spend 5 weeks in Phnom Penh and I don't know whether to accept it.

It'll be for work but at least 95% of my time will be my own.

The problem in that I visited PP around 15 years ago (my pre-mongering days) and although I didn't dislike the city, there wasn't a whole lot to do and I feel like 5 weeks may be longer than I'd care to stay there. The only thing that's giving it some interest is the thought of banging some cheap young Khmer girls. But truth be told, I've no idea what the scene is like.

I like 18-21 year olds. Assuming I'm able to bring girls back to wherever I'm staying, is there a steady supply of girls in that age range? I'm assuming I'd need to find them in bars. What is the usual price for girls to stay all night and into the next morning?

Also, are there many massage parlours there these days?[/QUOTE]There hasn't been a lot of changes in the last 15 years except for the explosion of shopping malls. And and internet booking for local transportation via taxi or tuk tuk. Some of the old hangouts are gone but your weren't familiar with them in your pre-mongering days.

Main mongering venues are the hostess bars that have women / girls who are mostly 20-35 years old. Not a lot of 18-19, but you can find them. Bar fines are $10-$15; Overnight is always negotiable, but normal range is $50 and up. Most of the women shoot for $100. Unless you resemble Quasimoto, you can get acceptable for less.

Do not "assume" all hotels are guest friendly, though most are. Query the hotel directly via email. Some will allow outside guests, but charge a joiner fee.

Most massage joints are pretty lame compared to in Bangkok. Fishbowls, for instance, are relatively rare. The Street 63 massage joints full of Viets are a thing of the past.

SS.

[QUOTE=Pyrrhus;2903672]I have been offered the opportunity to spend 5 weeks in Phnom Penh and I don't know whether to accept it.[/QUOTE]The real questions are do you presently work in a city where hobbying is better than PP or do you think you will be offered a job in a better city during those 5 weeks? If the answers are no it's a no brainer imo.

All the answers about girls and pricing can easily be found in this forum. I could sit here and regurgitate the info but are you really going to base your decision on one or two stranger's opinions instead of doing your own legwork?

[QUOTE=Pyrrhus;2903672]I have been offered the opportunity to spend 5 weeks in Phnom Penh and I don't know whether to accept it.

It'll be for work but at least 95% of my time will be my own.

The problem in that I visited PP around 15 years ago (my pre-mongering days) and although I didn't dislike the city, there wasn't a whole lot to do and I feel like 5 weeks may be longer than I'd care to stay there. The only thing that's giving it some interest is the thought of banging some cheap young Khmer girls. But truth be told, I've no idea what the scene is like.

I like 18-21 year olds. Assuming I'm able to bring girls back to wherever I'm staying, is there a steady supply of girls in that age range? I'm assuming I'd need to find them in bars. What is the usual price for girls to stay all night and into the next morning?

Also, are there many massage parlours there these days?[/QUOTE]Jump on it. Seek and ye shall find. Its been awhile since I was there but in five weeks I'm sure you will find a special one or several. I had several in three days so you should be able to.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2903674]The real questions are do you presently work in a city where hobbying is better than PP or do you think you will be offered a job in a better city during those 5 weeks? If the answers are no it's a no brainer imo.

All the answers about girls and pricing can easily be found in this forum. I could sit here and regurgitate the info but are you really going to base your decision on one or two stranger's opinions instead of doing your own legwork?[/QUOTE]I hear what you're saying but it's not that straightforward. Hobbying is undoubtedly better in PP but if I'm specifically wanting girls in their late teens or very early 20's, I'm not sure whether PP will be able to offer me enough to make it worthwhile. I'm in my early 40's and in my home city, while there's no mongering to be found, I can usually still manage to pull girls in their late 20's / early 30's without having to pay them. Most importantly, my home city offers a whole lot more than sex to keep me entertained.

I have gone back through this forum and I guess I've learned all I can about pricing. But I'm still uncertain about the availability of girls in my preferred age range. Most of the reports I've read (amongst the bickering) involve girls who are a little older. I'm still keen to learn whether I could feasibly bang a different 18/19 yo every second night. Of my stay.

It's all slightly academic at the moment since there's no guarantee that my work would put me up in a girl friendly hotel. I wouldn't have much say in that matter, although I could potentially request an airbnb over a hotel.

Does anyone know if Sun & Moon Urban still charge the $10 fee for joiners?

When are US dollars used and when is riel used? When I change money there should I just get US dollars??

Where is there a secure money changers near S & M?

How much to tip. Both girls and service staff / housekeeping.

Good English breakfast / English Pub food.

Appreciate.

4 FoW2.

P.S. Nyezhov. Have cut back to 5 days.

[QUOTE=SamSanuk;2903673]There hasn't been a lot of changes in the last 15 years except for the explosion of shopping malls. And and internet booking for local transportation via taxi or tuk tuk. Some of the old hangouts are gone but your weren't familiar with them in your pre-mongering days.

Main mongering venues are the hostess bars that have women / girls who are mostly 20-35 years old. Not a lot of 18-19, but you can find them. Bar fines are $10-$15; Overnight is always negotiable, but normal range is $50 and up. Most of the women shoot for $100. Unless you resemble Quasimoto, you can get acceptable for less.

Do not "assume" all hotels are guest friendly, though most are. Query the hotel directly via email. Some will allow outside guests, but charge a joiner fee.

Most massage joints are pretty lame compared to in Bangkok. Fishbowls, for instance, are relatively rare. The Street 63 massage joints full of Viets are a thing of the past.

SS.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the thorough reply.

I didn't expect much to have changed. Hence my reluctance to accept the offer. As much as I like the idea of banging one girl after another for five weeks, I'd need something else to occupy my time. For the sake of my bank balance aswell as my sanity. I'm just not sure PP offers enough because I'm not much interested in shopping malls.

Having said that, I'm still undecided. If there were plenty of younger girls readily available, I wouldn't hesitate. Personally, I just don't have much interest in paying to be with anyone over 25 unless they are incredible looking. And even the 22-25 year olds would need to be fresh faced to get my interest. Ideally, I only want 18-21 year olds. I'll admid that I'm probably too picky for my own good. Do 18/19 year olds use Tinder much?

As far as massage parlours go, I've never really liked the fish bowl types anyway. And I don't usually go to massage parlours for FS. It's mostly just to lie back and be pampered for an hour without expending any energy. Obviously a happy ending is necessary. And I'll usually seek parlours that offer prostate massages.

And after making enquiries, I'm fairly sure I'd be staying in an airbnb near Tuol Tompoung Market. Would the bar girls be ok with that or do they only go to nearby hotels?

[QUOTE=NewImage;2903770]Does anyone know if Sun & Moon Urban still charge the $10 fee for joiners?

When are US dollars used and when is riel used? When I change money there should I just get US dollars??

Where is there a secure money changers near S & M?

How much to tip. Both girls and service staff / housekeeping.

Good English breakfast / English Pub food.

Appreciate.

4 FoW2.

P.S. Nyezhov. Have cut back to 5 days.[/QUOTE]Sunday& moon, still the 10 usd, needed, and strict ID requirement policy.

Money exchange everywhere, 1 usd - 4050 are around, but day time. Recommend some riel in hand. Mostly 1000 riel, sometime when tuktuk, street food or shopping in tiny store, they will say no small changes trying to high price, even you give a 20 k bill.

Recommend Okay boutique Hotel. More friendly, khmer style decoration, but not enough place to parking cars. 4000 to tuktuk to bars riverside, Potoon. Breakfast there is ok. Nice sky bar and pool.

Most time I tip 500 or 1000 to service staff, as girls, it depends.

Tinder is a spp for booking 25-35 girls, most half or semi SW. And pics are always fake somewhat. Mostly 100 usd expected. I am a chinese guy in 50's.

Girl bar, 10-15 bar fine, 50-100. Some 18-19 girls not BJ. And most do not require condom if you do not ask to use.

Q: does anyone here has some ideas to find a regular local girls, long term, travel together, english spesking. ?

[QUOTE=Fantasys;2904949]
Q: does anyone here has some ideas to find a regular local girls, long term, travel together, english spesking?[/QUOTE]First, kudos to Fantasys for a valid / complete post answering another board members questions.

If I were looking for a "regular" Khmer girl who speaks English, I'd think that the best hunting grounds would be in stores and restaurants that cater to tourists. Hit on the sales personnel and waitresses.

Depending on one's age and maybe other criteria, find out where the uni girls hang out. Maybe in a Starbuck's or Brown's or Amazon coffee shops. As most know, "regular" Khmer girls need to be somewhat courted, so I expect patience and persistence should be expected.

Sam Sanuk.

[QUOTE=SamSanuk;2905592]First, kudos to Fantasys for a valid / complete post answering another board members questions.

If I were looking for a "regular" Khmer girl who speaks English, I'd think that the best hunting grounds would be in stores and restaurants that cater to tourists. Hit on the sales personnel and waitresses.

Depending on one's age and maybe other criteria, find out where the uni girls hang out. Maybe in a Starbuck's or Brown's or Amazon coffee shops. As most know, "regular" Khmer girls need to be somewhat courted, so I expect patience and persistence should be expected.

Sam Sanuk.[/QUOTE]Why anyone would ever want to chase a "regular" Khmer girl is beyond me. WODR, you have to be a total loser in your own country to come seek a GF here.

[QUOTE=SamSanuk;2905592]First, kudos to Fantasys for a valid / complete post answering another board members questions.

If I were looking for a "regular" Khmer girl who speaks English, I'd think that the best hunting grounds would be in stores and restaurants that cater to tourists. Hit on the sales personnel and waitresses.

Depending on one's age and maybe other criteria, find out where the uni girls hang out. Maybe in a Starbuck's or Brown's or Amazon coffee shops. As most know, "regular" Khmer girls need to be somewhat courted, so I expect patience and persistence should be expected.

Sam Sanuk.[/QUOTE]Thanks, Bro. Have been Coffee shops, nothing happened, maybe wrong location.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2903674]The real questions are do you presently work in a city where hobbying is better than PP or do you think you will be offered a job in a better city during those 5 weeks? If the answers are no it's a no brainer imo.

All the answers about girls and pricing can easily be found in this forum. I could sit here and regurgitate the info but are you really going to base your decision on one or two stranger's opinions instead of doing your own legwork?[/QUOTE]So true! Atta boy, Banana Boy. Also: don't make age a fetish. I consider myself picky, but a 25 yo stunner can be more memorable that 18 yo street meat. And Cambo has variety, just look for it.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2905638]Why anyone would ever want to chase a "regular" Khmer girl is beyond me. WODR, you have to be a total loser in your own country to come seek a GF here.[/QUOTE]I think you came to your conclusion without considering the original poster would be in country for several weeks with a lot of free time. Indeed, he would not be visiting Cambodia to seek a GF here. As stated, his purpose would be for work, NOT for the purpose of seeking a GF. Aside from that, I have known (and currently know) quite a number of "regular" Khmer girls who speak good to very good English. They are a lot of fun and would be good companions--at least for a few weeks. LOL.

SS.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2905638]Why anyone would ever want to chase a "regular" Khmer girl is beyond me. WODR, you have to be a total loser in your own country to come seek a GF here.[/QUOTE]The original poster clearly indicated that the purpose of being in Cambodia for several weeks was for work with a lot of free time. The purpose NOT being there to "seek a GF". I have known and do know a number of "regular" Khmer girls who speak good to very good English; they are a lot of fun and have helped me from time to time negotiate everything from prices to travel plans. And they are not gold-diggers.

Sam Sanuk.

[QUOTE=SamSanuk;2906147]The original poster clearly indicated that the purpose of being in Cambodia for several weeks was for work with a lot of free time. The purpose NOT being there to "seek a GF". I have known and do know a number of "regular" Khmer girls who speak good to very good English; they are a lot of fun and have helped me from time to time negotiate everything from prices to travel plans. And they are not gold-diggers.

Sam Sanuk.[/QUOTE]You do know what I am searching. It is boring, fucking a girl who come and leave after fucking. I just need more communicate.

Have to say that I am not a winner in seeking a GF in my own country. I like a girl submissive, and I like to have a sugar baby. Haha, but not a GF.

I like long term GFE, not a long term fuck. And it is nice to be with a girl who speak good english in phnom penh, yeah most time I stay weeks in Cambodia.

Hi Chaps long time lurker first time poster.

I've been in Cambodia coming on 15 years now. 10 years ago was pretty good, around what Phnom all the coconut girls. Yes many were quite sore with a high risk of nicking stuff from you at any opportunity. But I like them a bit rough anyway.

For some time now they have been working hard to transform the city into a modern city with skyscrapers, western businesses like Starbucks and Dominos. They'd started rounding up all the street girls a while before, but when the SEA games happened and foreign diplomatic types were in town they had 30 cops on what Phnom all day and night. The girls up there are slowly drifting back but nothing like it used to be, at least not during the day or early evening. There was always a pretty broad selection of girls up there, now there will be 2 or 3 knocking around making it a sellers market and again not like it used to be.

Same with Sorya Mall. Since they knocked all that down, Sorya has become skid row with ice heads scattered along the pavements and doorways. The same usual super-ropey girls around home foods every day, with maybe 5 teeth between them.

I'm not so into bars, I don't really drink, and girls savvy enough to hold down a job in a bar is a girl savvy enough to take you for every penny she can get then forget about you 5 minutes later. Coconut girls were never like that, I have what Phnom girls I've been seeing on and off for 10 years, I've never had that kind of relationship with a bar girl. Though to be fair I did not go with that many girls from that many bars. I have a few interesting kinks. Coconut girls were always cool with that and game to try many things. Bar girls going to get paid regardless. Salary, plus lady drinks. They don't need to mess around with anything unusual they just want to get your $ and leave. That doesn't work so well for me.

I spoke to the guy that used to own Cerce bar. Now called Yam Yam or something. He said he sold up because the bar scene here is fading. Not enough customers to go round. General inflation pushing the price of girls up and up, and he said most his mongers have gone back to Pattaya. I can concur, we have a friend visiting right now, have hit maybe 6 bars the past week or so, and I think we were the only guys in the bar in every bar we went in. Even at 9 pm on a Friday night.

I love Khmer culture generally I think they are very sweet people. I would say, that a GOOD fck is not easily come by in this town, and I had a few fcks. Sex is not something Khmer are interested in generally, they don't understand the complexity or variety of it, other than videos they've seen on porn hub. 9 times out of 10 you'll get the famous 'starfish' - girl laying back motionless with arms and legs spread like she's hating every minute of it. I found Thai girls to be a lot more accommodating. And a few Viet girls I met over here, though those ladies steal at an Olympic level. Cute though.

They legalized ganja in Thailand not long ago. The ganj here is ok, the HG is quite expensive when I hear you can get decent HG in Thailand for a dollar a g. Everything here is maybe 3 or 4 times more expensive than it was when we came here and I don't know if that will continue to rise. And the cleaning up of the girls. Reasons to come here were 1. Cheap, 2. Girls, 3. Ganj. Take those away, I am wondering why anyone would ever come here.

To be fair I did not go up what Phnom late like after 10 pm or midnight, I heard it's busier then. There'll be girls moving among the crowds on Riverside during the evening busy time 6 to 8 ish. When the crowds leave the girls seem to leave, I guess with no crowds they are easy to spot and bust.

Does anyone know where all the street girls are going now? Any good leads there?

Realistically, should I be thinking about maybe moving somewhere else, like Pattaya (again)? Or to a different city?

Or if you have any useful mongering advice for this city, it'd be greatly appreciated.

Sorry for any waffle and many thanks for your help.

[QUOTE=ManMountain;2907413]Hi Chaps long time lurker first time poster.

I've been in Cambodia coming on 15 years now. 10 years ago was pretty good, around what Phnom all the coconut girls. Yes many were quite sore with a high risk of nicking stuff from you at any opportunity. But I like them a bit rough anyway.

For some time now they have been working hard to transform the city into a modern city with skyscrapers, western businesses like Starbucks and Dominos. They'd started rounding up all the street girls a while before, but when the SEA games happened and foreign diplomatic types were in town they had 30 cops on what Phnom all day and night. The girls up there are slowly drifting back but nothing like it used to be, at least not during the day or early evening. There was always a pretty broad selection of girls up there, now there will be 2 or 3 knocking around making it a sellers market and again not like it used to be.

Same with Sorya Mall. Since they knocked all that down, Sorya has become skid row with ice heads scattered along the pavements and doorways. The same usual super-ropey girls around home foods every day, with maybe 5 teeth between them.

I'm not so into bars, I don't really drink, and girls savvy enough to hold down a job in a bar is a girl savvy enough to take you for every penny she can get then forget about you 5 minutes later. Coconut girls were never like that, I have what Phnom girls I've been seeing on and off for 10 years, I've never had that kind of relationship with a bar girl. Though to be fair I did not go with that many girls from that many bars. I have a few interesting kinks. Coconut girls were always cool with that and game to try many things. Bar girls going to get paid regardless. Salary, plus lady drinks. They don't need to mess around with anything unusual they just want to get your $ and leave. That doesn't work so well for me.

I spoke to the guy that used to own Cerce bar. Now called Yam Yam or something. He said he sold up because the bar scene here is fading. Not enough customers to go round. General inflation pushing the price of girls up and up, and he said most his mongers have gone back to Pattaya. I can concur, we have a friend visiting right now, have hit maybe 6 bars the past week or so, and I think we were the only guys in the bar in every bar we went in. Even at 9 pm on a Friday night.

I love Khmer culture generally I think they are very sweet people. I would say, that a GOOD fck is not easily come by in this town, and I had a few fcks. Sex is not something Khmer are interested in generally, they don't understand the complexity or variety of it, other than videos they've seen on porn hub. 9 times out of 10 you'll get the famous 'starfish' - girl laying back motionless with arms and legs spread like she's hating every minute of it. I found Thai girls to be a lot more accommodating. And a few Viet girls I met over here, though those ladies steal at an Olympic level. Cute though.

They legalized ganja in Thailand not long ago. The ganj here is ok, the HG is quite expensive when I hear you can get decent HG in Thailand for a dollar a g. Everything here is maybe 3 or 4 times more expensive than it was when we came here and I don't know if that will continue to rise. And the cleaning up of the girls. Reasons to come here were 1. Cheap, 2. Girls, 3. Ganj. Take those away, I am wondering why anyone would ever come here.

To be fair I did not go up what Phnom late like after 10 pm or midnight, I heard it's busier then. There'll be girls moving among the crowds on Riverside during the evening busy time 6 to 8 ish. When the crowds leave the girls seem to leave, I guess with no crowds they are easy to spot and bust.

Does anyone know where all the street girls are going now? Any good leads there?

Realistically, should I be thinking about maybe moving somewhere else, like Pattaya (again)? Or to a different city?

Or if you have any useful mongering advice for this city, it'd be greatly appreciated.

Sorry for any waffle and many thanks for your help.[/QUOTE]My mongering advice: go to Thailand once a month.

HG weed should be between $8-12 a g. I'm smoking basic Bangkok at $3. There is delivery there too.

There are no BJs in Cambodia.

[QUOTE=ManMountain;2907413]Hi Chaps long time lurker first time poster.

I've been in Cambodia coming on 15 years now. 10 years ago was pretty good, around what Phnom all the coconut girls. Yes many were quite sore with a high risk of nicking stuff from you at any opportunity. But I like them a bit rough anyway.

For some time now they have been working hard to transform the city into a modern city with skyscrapers, western businesses like Starbucks and Dominos. They'd started rounding up all the street girls a while before, but when the SEA games happened and foreign diplomatic types were in town they had 30 cops on what Phnom all day and night. The girls up there are slowly drifting back but nothing like it used to be, at least not during the day or early evening. There was always a pretty broad selection of girls up there, now there will be 2 or 3 knocking around making it a sellers market and again not like it used to be.

Same with Sorya Mall. Since they knocked all that down, Sorya has become skid row with ice heads scattered along the pavements and doorways. The same usual super-ropey girls around home foods every day, with maybe 5 teeth between them.

I'm not so into bars, I don't really drink, and girls savvy enough to hold down a job in a bar is a girl savvy enough to take you for every penny she can get then forget about you 5 minutes later. Coconut girls were never like that, I have what Phnom girls I've been seeing on and off for 10 years, I've never had that kind of relationship with a bar girl. Though to be fair I did not go with that many girls from that many bars. I have a few interesting kinks. Coconut girls were always cool with that and game to try many things. Bar girls going to get paid regardless. Salary, plus lady drinks. They don't need to mess around with anything unusual they just want to get your $ and leave. That doesn't work so well for me.

I spoke to the guy that used to own Cerce bar. Now called Yam Yam or something. He said he sold up because the bar scene here is fading. Not enough customers to go round. General inflation pushing the price of girls up and up, and he said most his mongers have gone back to Pattaya. I can concur, we have a friend visiting right now, have hit maybe 6 bars the past week or so, and I think we were the only guys in the bar in every bar we went in. Even at 9 pm on a Friday night.

I love Khmer culture generally I think they are very sweet people. I would say, that a GOOD fck is not easily come by in this town, and I had a few fcks. Sex is not something Khmer are interested in generally, they don't understand the complexity or variety of it, other than videos they've seen on porn hub. 9 times out of 10 you'll get the famous 'starfish' - girl laying back motionless with arms and legs spread like she's hating every minute of it. I found Thai girls to be a lot more accommodating. And a few Viet girls I met over here, though those ladies steal at an Olympic level. Cute though.

They legalized ganja in Thailand not long ago. The ganj here is ok, the HG is quite expensive when I hear you can get decent HG in Thailand for a dollar a g. Everything here is maybe 3 or 4 times more expensive than it was when we came here and I don't know if that will continue to rise. And the cleaning up of the girls. Reasons to come here were 1. Cheap, 2. Girls, 3. Ganj. Take those away, I am wondering why anyone would ever come here.

To be fair I did not go up what Phnom late like after 10 pm or midnight, I heard it's busier then. There'll be girls moving among the crowds on Riverside during the evening busy time 6 to 8 ish. When the crowds leave the girls seem to leave, I guess with no crowds they are easy to spot and bust.

Does anyone know where all the street girls are going now? Any good leads there?

Realistically, should I be thinking about maybe moving somewhere else, like Pattaya (again)? Or to a different city?

Or if you have any useful mongering advice for this city, it'd be greatly appreciated.

Sorry for any waffle and many thanks for your help.[/QUOTE]Sure, Thailand is better, thai girls are more understanding, not only boom boom and go. And easy to find one who speak english.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2907689]My mongering advice: go to Thailand once a month.

HG weed should be between $8-12 a g. I'm smoking basic Bangkok at $3. There is delivery there too.

There are no BJs in Cambodia.[/QUOTE]Could you please recommend someone in Bangkok for HG weed. Thank you.

[QUOTE=Duolingy;2907884]Could you please recommend someone in Bangkok for HG weed. Thank you.[/QUOTE]I assume you mean down by the fun area, try the Dutch seed place near Thermae. If you're going to leave The Tourist district, you can go to happy cannabis in bang pho or Fat Buds in Ekkamai. If the Nepalese kid on the corner of soy Arab is back in operation, which depends on the cops, he has super quality weed, tell him that you were referred by the old American guy that lives in Cambodia.

Poor Phnom Penh can't get much love in these forums, it seems. Last post was more than a month ago. I recently returned from a week in the city, my second long-term visit in 2024. (You can find my earlier report in January). While I spent five of the seven nights with my regular, a bargirl I had met in January and kept in touch with through WhatsApp, I did have time for a couple of other experiences. Here are some notes from the ground.

Regular bar streets of 136/130 still give the illusion of being busy, with lots of girls out front all shouting for your attention, little kids running around, vendors selling whatever, etc, but walk around a couple of times and you'll notice there aren't that many other customers on the street. Maybe they're all inside the bars already, but it does seems like a quiet time period, even for the low season. News reports indicate that the city has plans to upgrade the 136 area and turn it into a more high-class pedestrian area, with plans for higher-class shops and businesses, so it makes you wonder how long it will stay around?

136 and even 130 are still too busy for me, and while many of the girls do look young (in the 18--21 range that is, not underaged young), most didn't appeal that much to me. Instead I checked out the bars on 110,118, and even 104, which are a bit quieter. (Strangely the freelancers standing outside Oscar's On the Corner on 104 looked really good this time, but they may have also been staff for the new bar right underneath it, called Tinder.) A young woman sitting outside of Double the Bar on Street 110 finally caught my eye, for her somewhat decently sized breasts that were well displayed by her outfit. (They weren't double the's, that's for sure, and whatever they were disappeared in half once she took off her push-up bra, LOL). There were about five women out front, one of whom may have been a railthin LB, but I went into the bar with my new friend and sat down at a booth to have a drink. You can drink at the bar there, but they do have more private booths, and a pool table in the back. My new friend didn't speak much English, but we muddled through with Google Translate. I could tell she was shy, so I didn't press things much at first, but I soon put my arm around her, caressed her neck, and later put my other hand along her bare leg. After a bit we were kissing, and then after that I asked her if she was interested in going out with me. I think it's important to first see what the girl is like before asking this, and spend some time warming her up or chatting her up, as the answer may be different if you ask the question immediately after meeting her. But you don't have to buy her 3-4 drinks before doing this; sometimes it only takes one drink, but sometimes it might take two. I only buy two if I know the first drink has gone well. She shyly said, 'for you, $80. ' I laughed and said, 'Well I am flattered, but usually it is $45?" (I knew we'd meet in the middle, but wanted to start low, but not low enough that she'd be insulted). So she countered with, 'well, up to you,' and we agreed on $55 for two hours. I made sure to clarify that DFK and a few other things were on the menu for no surprise charges, she agreed.

We headed back to the hotel and things went well, lots of joking in the shower and some lengthy foreplay / kissing / DATY, though by the time FS started I probably took longer than she expected / wanted / was used to, as after about 10 mins of penetration she looked like she was in discomfort. I volunteered more lube but quickly finished, as she was saying she was "sick. " (Always good for your ego, to have a girl say how sick she suddenly is, haha). She may have meant her period had started, as there was a bit of blood on the sheets. Things then got rushed, as she wanted to leave, and I wasn't in the mood to keep her around. (Remember its in your best interest to delay coming if you want a longer session, as it's a steep slope from orgasm to shower to out the door.) I assumed she wanted to leave to get back to work, but maybe her period had started, or maybe she was ill, who knows, but it felt rushed. (It was about a 90 min session, though). Overall the girl was cute, she was only 22 so maybe inexperienced (it was her first month there, she said, but it's always every bargirls first month there, isn't it? But I wouldn't repeat, or even recommend Double the. There seemed to be no mamasan there (which to me seems important as it's a figurehead to guarantee some level of service), it felt more like an assortment of freelancers there than a working crew of ladies, and most of the other girls didn't seem that attractive. Oddly, two days later I was walking by, and she gave me the biggest smile and wave I've ever seen. Said she had been thinking of me, but I wasn't falling for it.

Another night I walked into the reincarnated Cyrcee's Secret Bar, way off the main drag towards the Central Market. Zero foot traffic there. I had actually stopped by to check out the bar around the corner, Sona Horny Secret Bar, as I had a good experience there in January, but this time it was pretty quiet. The mamasan did remember me though and we talked for a bit, and she even brought out one of the girls I had taken out last time (the less attractive one, alas). Walking by Cyrcee's, though, it started pouring rain, and I paused to fist-bump and joke with a little Blasian kid out front, and then talk with who I thought was his mom or the mamasan, but who turned out to be a bargirl. As the rain wasn't stopping, I went inside to have a drink with her. She was mid-30's (I know, I know), and with two VERY young looking, very cute girls of 18, one of whom was the bartender / cashier. I figured they were just for display and turns out I was right, as mid-30's lady gave me a full rundown on the system of most bars in the city. Turns out that most bars offer up some "originals," 18-year-old eye-candy virgins, to draw the punters in and get their hopes up. The virgins continue to just look at their phones while the guys buy them drinks, offer their virginal states up for an outrageous price, and then when they still turn the customers down, the older ladies in the room sweep in to snare the men. She had previously worked at Ostro on 136, and noted that most of the 136 bars operated on that principle.

Anyway, she was fun to talk with and spoke excellent English, and in the soft light of the bar started looking pretty nice, especially as it was my last night in PP. (My regular had gone down to Kampot for a friend's birthday). Same courtship idea: one drink, some light caressing and heavy flattery, and then the question. She offered $60, I countered with $40, and she agreed to that, though I did say that I'd tip well if she was nice to me. As it was her first month at the bar (LOL, again? What a coincidence! And I didn't want to go to my hotel (too far), she had to ask the bartender / cashier where the shorttime hotel was. It turned out to be on the same street as the one I had gone to in January with the SoNa Horny girls, so I just took her there myself. We had a very nice three hours there, for $40, plus $8 hotel, $10 drinks, and $10 barfine.

With my regular girl, she'd either come over to meet me at my hotel around midnight and stay until 5 am (when she would turn into a pumpkin, or have to get home to facetime her mom, or help her little brother wake up for school, or some other excuse), or she'd come over even earlier and we'd have dinner together somewhere nice, or, twice, I even went over to her bar to pick her up. This was mainly for me to pay respects to her mama-san, buy some drinks for them, and be polite, so that the mama-san wouldn't mind that I was taking her best money-making girl out of the bar early every night. Cambodians, even bargirls, seem to really be into the collective and into treating coworkers like family, so if you make an effort to understand that, and buy a couple of $5 drinks for your lady's friends and bosses, it will pay off for you very well in the long run. Costs for her were $50 for a 4-6 hour session, and sometimes a $15 barfine, and once or twice some drinks of about $12-$20. (Out of five evenings with her, I paid the barfine just twice). Having a regular was very nice, BTW, a guarantee that you'd have a good solid connection with someone, an evening that would always work out well, etc.

All told, Phnom Penh is a rewarding spot if you have the patience to play the bargirl game: don't storm in there hoping to pull a girl out immediately, but expect to spend a bit of time sitting with them, be patient and polite, and especially polite to the mamasan, and you'll be fine. But if you're on drink #3 or 4, though, and haven't gotten any clearer with what's going to happen afterwards, then pull out. They'll be another girl, another bar, that will work. PP is also an evening game, as most bars only open at 4 pm or 6 pm, so it's not really an all-day kind of scene like Bangkok. Plastic surgery and tattoos aren't QUITE as prevalent, so if you like more natural girls it's an especially nice place. Cambodian attitudes (in general) remind me more of Filipinos than Vietnamese or Chinese or even Thai, that's for sure; super friendly and laid back, with a very easy-going vibe all round. Along the riverside you'll encounter the usual hustle culture, especially from the tuktuk drivers, but a 'no thank you (At te, orkun", Bong," usually chills them out.

Finally, I stayed mostly at the Tao Riverside, great rooms overlooking the river and a good location a couple of blocks from 136. But a bit awkward as it's a narrow entrance and you have to walk right by the front desk to get to the elevators, so staff will definitely see and meet everyone you're bringing in. Also, they seem to lock the door around 2 am, so you have to buzz the intercom and wake up the (always) sleeping guard to let you and your date in. He's usually less than enthused about being woken up, and may be a bit grumpy while checking your girl's ID. (They will just take a photo of it). This also means that if the girl is leaving from 2 am-6 am, they will then have to wake the guard up so he can let them out.

Nice report. Well observed. Well written.

I'll be coming as a first timer later this year and just booked at the Center Point hotel on 136 - hope it's a decent hotel that's girl friendly since I found it via a girl friendly hotel info website. I see that this country uses both their own currency as well as US $ and that most rates quoted are usually in US $. Is there a reason for this? Can the girls and bars quote in their own currency?

It is a lot easier to pay girls, bars and hotels with dollars, as they amount of riels corresponding will be quite high. Riels are good to pay drinks, tuktuks and tips.

[QUOTE=Exoticspirit;2920994]I'll be coming as a first timer later this year and just booked at the Center Point hotel on 136 - hope it's a decent hotel that's girl friendly since I found it via a girl friendly hotel info website. I see that this country uses both their own currency as well as US $ and that most rates quoted are usually in US $. Is there a reason for this? Can the girls and bars quote in their own currency?[/QUOTE]What's the hotel names? I'm thinking of coming her instead of Philippines. The tread saying it's dead and Manila chicks want 200+LOL but bro tip I learned early on is never ever talk in USD. Your in their country learn the conversion rates, or at google it for a rough estimate. If you talk usd price they'll know your a first timer and get quoted way higher I learned that in the DR threads if they quote you high than laugh it off and say ohh it's not my first time here ( she will know right away you know the game even if u dont dont mess it up for everyone else ) some new timers paying 5500 peso ( DR) that's 100 usd ( shell say oh 5500 peso is only 100 usd.. id respond.. no I'm Canadian that's 135 $ Canadian thats to high im okay.. what I'll pay is 15-2500 pesos which is 45-70 CAD ( normal rate they will try their luck to get u for higher if ur a first timer or weekend warrior ) just say it's not my first time I don't talk usd we're in Dominican ( this case Cambodia ) I talk pesos ( or whatever country our in) and they say oh okay yes I'll take it with little negation from ur price which was already cut in half but if ur talking usd ahaha good luck to you!! ( already know this guy never been here hes new to the game hes talking usd easy money ) when i high my price in pesos after they try the usd game on me and I say nah not my first time here im good. They respond okay 50-60 ( 2000 pesos ish )where's your hotel?? Never ever talk usd in a country that's main currency is something else not my fault last sucker paid in usd. Talk currency in the country your in. If you get a high price laugh it off sip your beer LOL look at other girls and watch her tone change and watch her be on you ( she doesnt love you she loves ur wallet simple ) that little trick I use shows her u tried to rip me off I didnt fall for it ill go for a different girl these girls can read body language easily ( well it is there job to be fair but dont be cheap but dont over pay and mess up the spot for the regulars ) Play it cool don't look desperate you got the cash you got the options you don't need to fight for her if you miss oh well there's 100 others just look around after you enjoy your beer ahaha.
Thats why I stopped with DR going to Asia same chick u could have for 50-60 now wants 100+! All these new guys coming in paying the ugly chicks more now the cute girls want double I love sharing info with new guys and have when people dont than complain prices got raised ahaha wonder why? Met people on my stay from 20-50 year old talking usd paying double the rates I told them cut that shit out and only talk pesos they were skeptic but they tried it which they thought was low but they normal prices we were all paying they were so happy with next few days we all shared beers throughout the days each of them thanked me for the info which I had no problem with it helps us all in the long run

[QUOTE=ThatGuy101;2921288]Talk currency in the country your in. [/QUOTE]This is an interesting tip and kind of makes sense. I'll be ready to negotiate in both currencies if needed then. By the way I actually tried this similar strategy while in Panama recently where they use US $ as their main currency but most of the working girls were from Colombia. Since I had both US $ and Colombian currency on me from a stay in Colombia just a week prior, I asked the girls if they preferred US $ or Colombian pesos (assuming they want to bring pesos home with them). Interestingly all the Colombian girls in Panama said they preferred US $.

[QUOTE=Mari1256;2921118]It is a lot easier to pay girls, bars and hotels with dollars, as they amount of riels corresponding will be quite high. Riels are good to pay drinks, tuktuks and tips.[/QUOTE]Thanks, this makes sense for bigger cost items like hotels and girls for US $ payments. For the tuk tuks, do we know if ride fares are cheaper through Grab / Pass or if the cash quotes from drivers are better? Also should I convert all my remaining Cambodian riels while still in Cambodia before boarding my outbound flight? I'm flying out to Thailand next after Cambodia and wondering if the money changers in Thailand will take riels?

[QUOTE=Exoticspirit;2921302]This is an interesting tip and kind of makes sense. I'll be ready to negotiate in both currencies if needed then. By the way I actually tried this similar strategy while in Panama recently where they use US $ as their main currency but most of the working girls were from Colombia. Since I had both US $ and Colombian currency on me from a stay in Colombia just a week prior, I asked the girls if they preferred US $ or Colombian pesos (assuming they want to bring pesos home with them). Interestingly all the Colombian girls in Panama said they preferred US $.[/QUOTE]I learned this the hard way if they want usd they can get higher rates for the usd from local spots ( Conversion rates ) they know than you will ever get of course they want your USD! But you're paying higher! I went to DR 8 years straight (beside covid only one year break ahahah got the jab fuck it I want to fuck me some latinos now regret the jab but I was young stupid pussy on my mind) but yea 2022 planned 3 trips there 30 days each a lot of them regulars and got to know me by the second trip opened up (no I never buy the bullshit ohh send me money when you're home) fuck no you can provide a service for the money I ain't giving you shit I got my own problems back home ahahah (not that rude but they get the point) never ever had a chick message me for money because they know I know the same and whenever I land they see my WhatsApp stories hey your back? Let's meet! While some simp might be send cash ahaha sucks brooo you got. GOT. Man I am just sharing my own experience from my own experience and what I had to learn the hard way I love this website it started my journey hell I lost my virginity because of this site wild night wild story never ever forgot it always grateful but let's say you talk usd to a street vendor or or the beach guy you think you going to get a fair price? LOL cmon use the same common sense youd use for them for the girls yea they are good at their jobs but it's our job to be one step ahead of them. I have paid usd ( I never tell them this ) but I always always negotiate in their currency than I say ohh okay thats X amount of usd correct they say yes than before I do the deed thats the price that ( peso etc price =( that to usd right ? they yes thats right pay them that in usd or pesos ( never say negotiate usd before than ur good.. but if your charge in usd youre seen as a first timer and will be taken for a ride ( higher prices ) good luck ! Safe monger hopefully my last 2 drunk reports helps someone much love from Canada boys!!
I do wanna add to to it in Colombia DR nickels dimes matter not to us but your in third world country they will take back to a spot they know to get few extra dollars it’s 3rd world of course the want usd when their currencies are worth shit

[QUOTE=ThatGuy101;2921288]What's the hotel names? [/QUOTE]Actually I made a mistake in the hotel name I booked as I've been booking so many for my trip. I booked at the Point Boutique hotel in PP on 130. Anybody here stayed there?

[QUOTE=Exoticspirit;2921639]Actually I made a mistake in the hotel name I booked as I've been booking so many for my trip. I booked at the Point Boutique hotel in PP on 130. Anybody here stayed there?[/QUOTE]I don't know what your budget is and what your standards for cleanliness are but all I will say is you basically get what you pay for in PP hotels. If you can afford nicer stay somewhere nicer. It's like your buddy saying why don't we stay at Yorkville and you reply nah I'm cheaping out and staying beside Filmore's.

[QUOTE=Exoticspirit;2921639]Actually I made a mistake in the hotel name I booked as I've been booking so many for my trip. I booked at the Point Boutique hotel in PP on 130. Anybody here stayed there?[/QUOTE]I have not, but its rooftop bar, Juniper Gin Bar, is pretty nice and well-regarded. Has kind of a classy art-deco inspired bar and good views of the riverside and the city. You'll definitely be in the heart of the riverside bar action there, that's for sure; several bars within like fifty feet of you (Sweet Lady, Lucifer, Golden Frog, Beautiful Bar, etc etc) and even more around the corner. Maybe some of the veterans here can chime in with any suggestions for the bars. It may be kind of loud there, since the whole block doesn't start up until 6 pm and then goes until 3 am.

[QUOTE=Exoticspirit;2921305]Thanks, this makes sense for bigger cost items like hotels and girls for US $ payments. For the tuk tuks, do we know if ride fares are cheaper through Grab / Pass or if the cash quotes from drivers are better? Also should I convert all my remaining Cambodian riels while still in Cambodia before boarding my outbound flight? I'm flying out to Thailand next after Cambodia and wondering if the money changers in Thailand will take riels?[/QUOTE]USD-Riel is pegged at 4150 so there should be no difference in price. Just do the math. If talking to a driver, you might bargain down a little versus the price on the app which deducts a commission to Grab, Move or whichever company.

And a little more on topic. Are there business cards with contact info? Where might these cards be found? In some countries they're slipped under the door.

Slightly off topic. Where are the nerds with glasses? Cafes near unis? Names? Rather give a civilian 20,50 or a 100 versus going to a bar. At night. In BJ, got lucky a few times at English Corner language exchanges. Found long termers there or they found me.

And back on topic. Are there any FREE local websites in PP with "personals"? Miss those days, it was easy, and free.

[QUOTE=ThatGuy101;2921540]I learned this the hard way if they want usd they can get higher rates for the usd from local spots ( Conversion rates ) they know than you will ever get of course they want your USD! But you're paying higher![/QUOTE]You can talk in USD without looking like a newcomer, all the girls will quote in USD anyway.

The only place I saw you're paying a bit higher by using USD was a restaurant for locals, where they quote in Riel and when they see a foreigner customer they show him the price in USD which has been converted on the average a bit higher (but you can still give them the amount in Riel if you've got them).

[QUOTE=Exoticspirit;2921305]For the tuk tuks, do we know if ride fares are cheaper through Grab / Pass or if the cash quotes from drivers are better? Also should I convert all my remaining Cambodian riels while still in Cambodia before boarding my outbound flight? I'm flying out to Thailand next after Cambodia and wondering if the money changers in Thailand will take riels?[/QUOTE]Grab and pass will always be cheaper than the driver in the street.

Change your remaining Riels while you're still in Cambodia.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2922163]You can talk in USD without looking like a newcomer, all the girls will quote in USD anyway.

The only place I saw you're paying a bit higher by using USD was a restaurant for locals, where they quote in Riel and when they see a foreigner customer they show him the price in USD which has been converted on the average a bit higher (but you can still give them the amount in Riel if you've got them).[/QUOTE]I won't front like I know what goes down im Cambodia because I don't ( talking my experience in DR) but in Dominican if you ever speak in usd first you will look like a new Comer only exceptions when I negotiate it in their currency than clarify that in usd but why talk in usd when your in a country that has a diffrrrnt currency? Even anywhere else if I girl talks in usd I'll shit that shit down and say no we're are (in this country I'll talk this price) it helped me a lot in DR by doing that but like I said I won't front I haven't been to Cambodia but I'll never talk usd up front if you have and that's worked for you well that's great for you but personal I won't ever do. Same reason why I wont negotiate taxis in usd or street food in usd etc ..

I’ll never say Paying in usd I'll clarify what it is in usd but never say I am until I got to

[QUOTE=ThatGuy101;2922393]why talk in usd when your in a country that has a diffrrrnt currency?[/QUOTE]Cambodia use 2 currencies, not only Cambodian riel.

The good thing is you have the choice to use anyone of them. It's just more convenient to use USD for amount over 4000 riels, and use riel for under 4000 riels.

Everybody use both currencies except locals with little money.

Cambodia is not DR, no need to compare both countries.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2922394]Cambodia use 2 currencies, not only Cambodian riel.

The good thing is you have the choice to use anyone of them. It's just more convenient to use USD for amount over 4000 riels, and use riel for under 4000 riels.

Everybody use both currencies except locals with little money.

Cambodia is not DR, no need to compare both countries.[/QUOTE]I don't ever use USD anymore because I have a Cambodian Bank account and I don't do Cambodian Bar girls. Every few weeks I get $50 worth of 5000 reil notes, that covers rides, coffee, noodles, tips, etc.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2922394]Cambodia use 2 currencies, not only Cambodian riel.

The good thing is you have the choice to use anyone of them. It's just more convenient to use USD for amount over 4000 riels, and use riel for under 4000 riels.

Everybody use both currencies except locals with little money.

Cambodia is not DR, no need to compare both countries.[/QUOTE]Yes obviously not Dr but great to know bro thanks for the report let's keep adding to the forums much love Canada All I'm saying is.. I don’t recommend using using Usd.

But every man to his own.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2922163]You can talk in USD without looking like a newcomer, all the girls will quote in USD anyway.

The only place I saw you're paying a bit higher by using USD was a restaurant for locals, where they quote in Riel and when they see a foreigner customer they show him the price in USD which has been converted on the average a bit higher (but you can still give them the amount in Riel if you've got them).[/QUOTE]It's just a personal experience and what I saw in DR once you talked usd you were looked at as a ATM and don't know the game and get higher price but maybe it's different there I can't say as I won't lie I haven't been but my past experience in DR if you talked usd your gringo get the cash ahaha so I never talked North America currency we are in their country I'll talk their currency and negotiate theirs if you feel different that's cool bro I'm not here to fight or argue but to share what worked for me in other parts of the world if it works for you to talk usd there that's great and I won't tell you to change that but I won't talk usd from my experience.

[QUOTE=ThatGuy101;2922686]It's just a personal experience and what I saw in DR once you talked usd you were looked at as a ATM and don't know the game and get higher price but maybe it's different there I can't say as I won't lie I haven't been but my past experience in DR if you talked usd your gringo get the cash ahaha so I never talked North America currency we are in their country I'll talk their currency and negotiate theirs if you feel different that's cool bro I'm not here to fight or argue but to share what worked for me in other parts of the world if it works for you to talk usd there that's great and I won't tell you to change that but I won't talk usd from my experience.[/QUOTE]I've been to PP.

Is your plan to negotiate in riel and then pay with USD?

[QUOTE=Vendelo;2922697]I've been to PP.

Is your plan to negotiate in riel and then pay with USD?[/QUOTE]I would be inclined to ask what prices are without referring to one currency or the other and see what they say. If they quote me in US $ then I'll ask what the rate is in riels. If the exchange rate is roughly factor of 4, then I'll go from there to see if there is any significant difference on what they quote me and if I have enough in either currencies, then I'll opt to pay the lower of course.

[QUOTE=Vendelo;2922697]I've been to PP.

Is your plan to negotiate in riel and then pay with USD?[/QUOTE]Ahaha nooo I was responding to a different report and telling them if all they had was usd talk the price in the local currency and then double confirm that's the amount in usd than you can pay it in usd but don't negotiate in usd to start with if they that's all they had my last drunk report didn't make sense but as long as you confirm. That's what it = to in usd than that's what you give them they have no problem With it (from my experience if I ever negotiate in a different currency they always want higher amount) hope it makes sense and I cleared it up.

[QUOTE=ThatGuy101;2922911]Ahaha nooo I was responding to a different report and telling them if all they had was usd talk the price in the local currency and then double confirm that's the amount in usd than you can pay it in usd but don't negotiate in usd to start with if they that's all they had my last drunk report didn't make sense but as long as you confirm. That's what it = to in usd than that's what you give them they have no problem With it (from my experience if I ever negotiate in a different currency they always want higher amount) hope it makes sense and I cleared it up.[/QUOTE]I've never had a girl in Phnom Penh ask for anything but USD. Low of $60ST and high of $100 LT. My first visit to PP was 6 years ago after moving to Bangkok so I'm sure others have received lower prices.

[QUOTE=HoustonPlayer;2922922]I've never had a girl in Phnom Penh ask for anything but USD. Low of $60ST and high of $100 LT. My first visit to PP was 6 years ago after moving to Bangkok so I'm sure others have received lower prices.[/QUOTE]I paid USD $50ST and US $100 LT last November. As stayed below, girls negotiate in USD.

Riel to USD has been virtually pegged for at least 10 years. The rate fluctuates depending on the time of the year from 4000 to 4100. Not a big difference. If you know where to go (like certain gold or phone shops in particular markets) you might get as much as 4110. Unless you're changing huge amounts, it doesn't matter. USD is still easy and good.

I am here for two days. I went out last night, great time. Lots of people out last night watching the games too. Will head out tonight again. Anyone around?

[QUOTE=HanoiMongers;2928000]I am here for two days. I went out last night, great time. Lots of people out last night watching the games too. Will head out tonight again. Anyone around?[/QUOTE]Tired of the fabulous scene in Hanoi LOL?

Hello guys,

I am going to Phnom Penh on upcoming week, it will be good if you seniors suggest good location / hotel to stay there which is good to find birds. .

Thanks in advance.

[QUOTE=JustMehul;2929413]Hello guys,

I am going to Phnom Penh on upcoming week, it will be good if you seniors suggest good location / hotel to stay there which is good to find birds. .

Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]Any of the hotels down in the area are OK, use Agoda or something.

[QUOTE=JustMehul;2929413]Hello guys,

I am going to Phnom Penh on upcoming week, it will be good if you seniors suggest good location / hotel to stay there which is good to find birds. .

Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]Best tip I ever got from an PP expat was the Lux Hotel on Street 136. In the heart of the action. Sun and Moon hotel is often also mentioned by mongers (also on Street 136). As I've said before, the Lux is at ground zero. Couldn't be more convenient unless there was a hostess bar in the lobby. As it is, it's about 80 feet from the closest bars. I think you might like it.

SS.

When to travel? In the river bar district centered around 136 street, summer is considered low season and Northern hemisphere winter high (er) season. Summer temperatures are above 90F or 30 C, yet I find the summer just as enjoyable as the winter. Hotel rooms are air conditioned. The sun sets around 6 pm. When the rain falls, and fall it does, torrential rains, the temperatures drop, the air clears and the streets become clean. Driving in a tuktuk during these rainfalls is a spectacular experience. And afterwards all is cool and clean.

Hotel choice? I stayed at Lux Riverside every time I travelled. Why? One: I repeat patterns I have explored. My fault. Two: I like to be near 136 street and the river for easy access, Khmer food stalls, Western style open breakfast and dinner bars, sports bars and big screens, Karaoke and girly bars. Three: Lux Riverside is run by likeable Cambodians, English speaking clerks, ladies and gents, family oriented side conversations. Every room has a safe. Service technician is not allowed to enter unless you are in the room. Room service comes at any time of your choosing. Lux Riverside is professionally safe. This matters to me who works perennially on a number of laptops when I am not out exploring the scene. That said, Lux Riverside is jaded. I book a suite on the 8th floor to have window and terrace access. Other floors have rooms without windows or windows with a 3 ft view of a concrete wall. The hotel may have lost its shine to the many competitors who have been built around swimming pools with spectacular window views.

Why repeat to go to Cambodia? I enjoy the laid back variety PP offers. Some punters on this forum call it a trash can. It is, but it looks awesome at night after the rain, LED light etc. I have just a little understanding of Bangkok. PP does not have the crowds. It is one more flight away. It is not cheaper than Bangkok. The scene is a little younger and more pristine than in Bangkok. There are less choices not for the mongers but for the young girls, which makes it the more promising vacation location to me. Some punters say Bangkok is more easily accessible for the average monger. Maybe, cannot judge, but romance takes effort anywhere. Some mongers say there is not much to do in PP. That is nonsense. I go to Khmer box, to world class Karaoke, to world class food landscapes (Bassat lane e. G.). The day goes fast in PP.

Korean complex? One punter on this forum complains that Korean mongers claim their stake by limiting access to certain KTV (Karaoke clubs). I can confirm that Korean KTV Sony (232 street near Monivong Blvd.) security rejects Caucasian looking guests. Tuktuk driver says they are afraid of Western journalists, maybe NGO, and maybe also of Western punters' competition. NGO play a minor role today, as underage depravity has been routed out by Khmer police. Preemption of Western competition is real, not only in PP, but there are so many other choices in PP. Also, each girl that does p4 p has an adventurous streak. I had a sterling experience in Shanghai with a 24 yo Viet stunner, a straight 10 for 250 US $ for 3 h, who never had been with a Westerner but liked the premiere. I wager, the girls serving Sony KTV also venture to other places to find clients.

Originals? Cambodians, I understand, call girls who sit in the bars and are not available for outcall originals. They tend to be younger (18 -19) and much prettier than the average bar girl. They are there to lure customers in. The phenomenon is real. Originals can be stunning and outshine the others. Mamasans in many bars repeat the call that they are available for 5 000 US $, and that they market off their self-declared virginity. I believe there is a market for this, but I do not know how liquid it is on the demand side. After all, there are many stunners available for outcall. But the mamasans I befriended tell the story with panache and conviction. There is empathy in the system. Mamasans often explain that the girls are dirt poor when they come to the big city. The girls decide for themselves which services they want to render and let mamasan know. And they can be wooed in some cases by money, patience, perseverance and discretion.

Prices? I am not a good negotiator. I refuse because negotiating has the tendency to deionize the sex in the air and the respectfulness of the situation. Then there is the margin consideration: 2 thousand plus US $ fixed cost to get and stay there. How much hurt can a 5 US $ bill lost in foregone negotiation exert? Safe statements on PP: LD 5 US $. Girl I find acceptable ST 50 US $ per hour. Market North of this figure exists at Nagaworld, but not sure how liquid the demand side is North of 50 US $ an hour.

Day 1: Spent a full 25 US $ on two extended tuktuk trips. Tuktuk driver recorded my preferences (natural, petite, slim, mild mannered, 18 - 21) and is hunting for talent. Nice. That evening I was surprised how many good looking 19 – 23 yo were available in various parts of the city. Did not pick one, for I reconnected with a 24 yo super beauty later that night. 160 cm. 44 kg. Shoe size 35. Shapely legs and anything else on her. Breast 1. 5. Natural nails. Fully depilated. Dressed immaculately in a short black dress and sandals. Works as a hairdresser. Cannot connect with mortal men, too into herself and creating her own barriers, but a straight 10 in the looks department. She was finally able to relax in the room, no condom asked, yamyam and bumbum delivered. Really relaxed only when sitting with me and her (real) sister in the bar and had too much wine and beer. Creeping alcohol addiction of all too many bar girls. I refrain. My advice goes unheeded. As usual in life.

Day2: A very short, girly and slim waitress with an average face, earrings and a pristine shapely body otherwise approached me. Concise straight info and questions with sex in the air: Studies English at university, used to have an American boyfriend, maybe she was not good enough for him, she said, currently no boyfriend, whether I want to meet with her. Perfect. Dinner date set with a girl 30+ years my junior. She is 22. Unlikely to become a mongering experience is my hunch, and that is also good. Variety counts.

[QUOTE=Philosophus;2930589]When to travel? In the river bar district centered around 136 street, summer is considered low season and Northern hemisphere winter high (er) season. Summer temperatures are above 90F or 30 C, yet I find the summer just as enjoyable as the winter. Hotel rooms are air conditioned. The sun sets around 6 pm. When the rain falls, and fall it does, torrential rains, the temperatures drop, the air clears and the streets become clean. Driving in a tuktuk during these rainfalls is a spectacular experience. And afterwards all is cool and clean.

Hotel choice? I stayed at Lux Riverside every time I travelled. Why? One: I repeat patterns I have explored. My fault. Two: I like to be near 136 street and the river for easy access, Khmer food stalls, Western style open breakfast and dinner bars, sports bars and big screens, Karaoke and girly bars. Three: Lux Riverside is run by likeable Cambodians, English speaking clerks, ladies and gents, family oriented side conversations. Every room has a safe. Service technician is not allowed to enter unless you are in the room. Room service comes at any time of your choosing. Lux Riverside is professionally safe. This matters to me who works perennially on a number of laptops when I am not out exploring the scene. That said, Lux Riverside is jaded. I book a suite on the 8th floor to have window and terrace access. Other floors have rooms without windows or windows with a 3 ft view of a concrete wall. The hotel may have lost its shine to the many competitors who have been built around swimming pools with spectacular window views.

Why repeat to go to Cambodia? I enjoy the laid back variety PP offers. Some punters on this forum call it a trash can. It is, but it looks awesome at night after the rain, LED light etc. I have just a little understanding of Bangkok. PP does not have the crowds. It is one more flight away. It is not cheaper than Bangkok. The scene is a little younger and more pristine than in Bangkok. There are less choices not for the mongers but for the young girls, which makes it the more promising vacation location to me. Some punters say Bangkok is more easily accessible for the average monger. Maybe, cannot judge, but romance takes effort anywhere. Some mongers say there is not much to do in PP. That is nonsense. I go to Khmer box, to world class Karaoke, to world class food landscapes (Bassat lane e. G.). The day goes fast in PP.[/QUOTE]If as you say you only have a little understanding of Bangkok, how can you compare the two. As to your assertions, I can tell you that there are far more younger young ladies in Bangkok alone then probably in all of Cambodia. And if there is plenty to do and I'm paying, tell us, do you live there full time, which I can Define for you as 10 months plus a year?

Day 3: Went out with super beauty and her sister for dinner. Expensive rooftop dinner meal 65 US $ for the three of us. It was fun and worth it. Met a bunch of Russians. Nice young folks, hard working, anti-war patriots. They work in software in Cambodia. Super beauty called me at midnight to come drink with her. Real purpose was I pick up the tab of her drinking with her sister. I declined, which was not received kindly. There is no such thing as mild addiction. Addicts lose sight of their priorities, lose their friends and then their livelihoods. So sad.

Day 4: All day work. New insight: When you book a hotel in PP, don't overvalue the "breakfast included" option. Hotel breakfast stops around 10:30 am. Working late on the laptop and nightly adventure walks mean I go to bed rather late. Breakfast at 13:00 in an open bar is reliably less than 10 US $ incl. Coffee and real orange juice. Keeps your day diet lighter. Old insight: You got to make it happen yourself. So after a very productive about of writing (working), I took a walk around the district at 2:30 am. Some bars closed, most still open. Two bar girls walk passed me to buy something in the convenience store. One just exactly my type. Slim. 5 ft petite. 20 yo but looking younger, short skirt, small everything like small feet and small hands, unvarnished nails, flip flops, big head framed by long black hair, very good English, smily personality, lovely face. I ask her if she wants to go with me or have a drink. I spend like 20 US $ in the bar for 5 drinks for me, her and her friends, who are also lovely and fresh, but I am hooked on her, the smallest frame. 15 US $ bar fine and 70 US $ for her for 3 h. 10 US $ for dry chicken soup, some nuts, some milk, some gift (cosmetics) from the convenience store and up to my apartment. Very nice 3 h hours until it is bright outside, shower and dinner and talk and she has given me all a girl can give a man. Very nice, deep and gooey sloppy blowjob and cif. The quintessential Cambo story of a mother whose husband left, mother taking two of three children and grandmother to PP. Daughter offers herself as 19 yo original to client. Some wealthy Chinese monger pays 2000 US $ and she takes the plunge. Experience not pleasant but also not terrible for her. Since then in a year's time she went with maybe 20 clients, she says, every other week, if she likes the man. In the bar, given her youth and physique, no question she is popular and a sure lady drink earner. She insists on condom and plays it safe. Says sometimes client is rough with her, sometimes does not pay. She calls the police and gets money with the help of police, but not the agreed sum. Police cases are the rare exception, she says, and adds, it was a Korean client. Shame on him. The Koreans I know are cool cool cool. The money she makes sustains the family of five, and her mom is fully aware of the source of her income. Her brother is in high school. She insists he graduate and go to college. She had to drop out of high school one year prior to graduation for lack of money. Her structured and nuanced English tells me she will make it allright.

Day 5: Dinner date with a 24 yo acquaintance, an English teacher. Cute slim and petite as a button, but non-sexual relationship, which I find more durable. I helped her in the past by gifting her a laptop computer and showing her how to write concisely. She represents the 95% of Cambo society who would never accept p4 p. Any Cambo monger should be keep this is mind. If you want a great, inexpensive dinner experience, go to Bassat Lane, 308 Norodom Blvd. You can also google Orkide headquarters, a real estate developer / builder, beautiful modern office building. Bassat Lane was recently developed and features 20 or more open air restaurants. You can have a light dinner for 2 for 15 US $, and will have trouble spending more than 40, I reckon.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2928174]Tired of the fabulous scene in Hanoi LOL?[/QUOTE]Are you in Siem Reap? I am coming there and not that familiar with the scene, you around to buy you lunch?

[QUOTE=Philosophus;2930589]When to travel? In the river bar district centered around 136 street, summer is considered low season and Northern hemisphere winter high (er) season. Summer temperatures are above 90F or 30 C, yet I find the summer just as enjoyable as the winter. Hotel rooms are air conditioned. The sun sets around 6 pm. When the rain falls, and fall it does, torrential rains, the temperatures drop, the air clears and the streets become clean. Driving in a tuktuk during these rainfalls is a spectacular experience. And afterwards all is cool and clean.

Hotel choice? I stayed at Lux Riverside every time I travelled. Why? One: I repeat patterns I have explored. My fault. Two: I like to be near 136 street and the river for easy access, Khmer food stalls, Western style open breakfast and dinner bars, sports bars and big screens, Karaoke and girly bars. Three: Lux Riverside is run by likeable Cambodians, English speaking clerks, ladies and gents, family oriented side conversations. Every room has a safe. Service technician is not allowed to enter unless you are in the room. Room service comes at any time of your choosing. Lux Riverside is professionally safe. This matters to me who works perennially on a number of laptops when I am not out exploring the scene. That said, Lux Riverside is jaded. I book a suite on the 8th floor to have window and terrace access. Other floors have rooms without windows or windows with a 3 ft view of a concrete wall. The hotel may have lost its shine to the many competitors who have been built around swimming pools with spectacular window views.

Why repeat to go to Cambodia? I enjoy the laid back variety PP offers. Some punters on this forum call it a trash can. It is, but it looks awesome at night after the rain, LED light etc. I have just a little understanding of Bangkok. PP does not have the crowds. It is one more flight away. It is not cheaper than Bangkok. The scene is a little younger and more pristine than in Bangkok. There are less choices not for the mongers but for the young girls, which makes it the more promising vacation location to me. Some punters say Bangkok is more easily accessible for the average monger. Maybe, cannot judge, but romance takes effort anywhere. Some mongers say there is not much to do in PP. That is nonsense. I go to Khmer box, to world class Karaoke, to world class food landscapes (Bassat lane e. G.). The day goes fast in PP.[/QUOTE]I've been to Phnom Peng. I agree with your report! Except I wouldn't say Bassat Lane is world class food.

Many young and beautiful girls. There's an elite level of.

Girls that are well dressed, stylish and probably educated. I would love to penetrate (haha!) that group of girls. But I think I need to speak Khymer.

And you're right about original girls holding out for a $5 K payout. I met one. About 18.

I really cannot compare using the merits of my personal experience. Nyezhov is not wrong. But I have an image in mind: Thai 70 million people, Cambo 15 million people. US GDP/capita 65 000 US$/a. Thai GDP per capita 6 900 US $/a at PPP (purchasing power parity), Cambo 1800 US $/ a at PPP. Cambo junior elementary school English teacher's monthly salary 3 648 US$/a. Average age in US: 39 yo. Average age in Thai: 39 yo. Average age in Cambo: 27 yo. I can imagine Cambo getting boring for an expat. Poverty can be boring. But quotes by some punters on this thread like "nothing to do", "Khmer not interested in sex", "no BJ available" are misleading. Generalizations don't help and don't apply. Make it happen before Cambo catches up with Thai or Western vices.

[QUOTE=Philosophus;2930591]Perfect. Dinner date set with a girl 30+ years my junior. She is 22. Unlikely to become a mongering experience is my hunch, and that is also good. Variety counts.[/QUOTE]A dinner date in my apartment I'll brag about. Then again, having a gal meet for coffee was kind of nice. The frap probably cost as much as a dinner.

Day 9: Went to Khmer boxing, called Kun Khmer, at Town TV, Street 1711 B in Phnom Penh. I understand it is on every Sat and Sun starting at 3 pm. Tuktuk from river district takes 20 min, 2. 5 US $ per trip on pass app. Seating opens around 2 pm. TV ring can accommodate about 500 spectators – it was a full house. Very professional ring, refs, LED screens, air condition, music, lighting – just amazing how much private fight sports television has come along. The promotion company is called MAS fight. They produce live video content for big screen clients in Macao, Manila, Bangkok, Pattaya, Hongkong and many other places. There certainly is a Chinese investor on the board, but they announce bilingually in Khmer and English. Dell computers dominate the score board. A modern American-infused Asian entertainment venue. MAS fight sponsors farms of fighters in Cambodia, Thailand, China, Iran, . One of the main sponsors, maybe a co-owner, sat on the VIP terrace with his family and entourage. Handsome well dressed tough guy type, household name over here. I was the only Westerner in the arena, spotted and quickly ushered up to the VIP section with my two Cambo friends and placed on a couch, free of charge. We looked pretty sharp, my translator girl, my security and my modest me. The refs and fighters showed their allegiance to the tycoon, and the winning Cambodian fighters got up to 1500 US $ tips from the VIP terrace. The tycoon was sincerely impressed by my interest and enthusiasm for the sport and kept signaling his respect and appreciation, had us supplied with water, directed the fighters to us and shook our hands in the end. Nice interplay.

[QUOTE=Philosophus;2931785]Day 9: Went to Khmer boxing, called Kun Khmer, at Town TV, Street 1711 B in Phnom Penh. I understand it is on every Sat and Sun starting at 3 pm. Tuktuk from river district takes 20 min, 2. 5 US $ per trip on pass app. Seating opens around 2 pm. TV ring can accommodate about 500 spectators it was a full house. Very professional ring, refs, LED screens, air condition, music, lighting just amazing how much private fight sports television has come along. The promotion company is called MAS fight. They produce live video content for big screen clients in Macao, Manila, Bangkok, Pattaya, Hongkong and many other places. There certainly is a Chinese investor on the board, but they announce bilingually in Khmer and English. Dell computers dominate the score board. A modern American-infused Asian entertainment venue. MAS fight sponsors farms of fighters in Cambodia, Thailand, China, Iran, . One of the main sponsors, maybe a co-owner, sat on the VIP terrace with his family and entourage. Handsome well dressed tough guy type, household name over here. I was the only Westerner in the arena, spotted and quickly ushered up to the VIP section with my two Cambo friends and placed on a couch, free of charge. We looked pretty sharp, my translator girl, my security and my modest me. The refs and fighters showed their allegiance to the tycoon, and the winning Cambodian fighters got up to 1500 US $ tips from the VIP terrace. The tycoon was sincerely impressed by my interest and enthusiasm for the sport and kept signaling his respect and appreciation, had us supplied with water, directed the fighters to us and shook our hands in the end. Nice interplay.[/QUOTE]Once did a judging for a tv talent show and BJ, some of my other buds were more active on the foreigner giving face circuit there.

Those days are almost gone there.

Good to hear they still live somewhat in PP.

[QUOTE=HanoiMongers;2931340]Are you in Siem Reap? I am coming there and not that familiar with the scene, you around to buy you lunch?[/QUOTE]There is no scene in Siem Reap. There is weed, food and Temples.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2931870]There is no scene in Siem Reap. There is weed, food and Temples.[/QUOTE]Hmmmm. I know you live there and probably have a very good sense of availability. It is true that opportunities in SR that you find in Thailand (and even PP) don't come close. But I disagree that there is "no scene" in SR. I haven't been "on the hunt" there for several years, preferring the company of a local I've known for a long time and importing a former go go dancer from BKK last year. Years ago, there were a couple of "dance clubs" where a barang could score. One was the old branch of Martini across the river; the other was a small venue in the center of SR. My last "score" was from New Star KTV maybe 5 years ago. Thida, without my expressing interest, volunteered her phone number and name on a slip of paper which she discretely put in my hand. I have absolutely no idea if New Star has survived, but there were quite a few do-able chicks in there. No idea if they were all up for action.

SS.

Made a secret silent trip to Phnom Penh recently over the weekend while I was away to Singapore for work trip. Early evening around 7 ish was walking by lanes and stumbled upon this decent looking bar, Hostess sat outside yawned and looked disinterested, walked in place was high end, apparently it was much talked about on this forum mayazone. Cigar and whiskey lounge. Ordered a drink which was affordable but on a higher side compared to city standards. Only guest there with 2 hostesses and a female bartender. Offered a drink to both hostesses and they gladly accepted. Owner maya came in an hour later, beautiful I say end 40's or early 50's woman. Sat with her and had a very nice conversation about Cambodia, she is well travelled herself. Asked the hostess about her plans for the evening and she was available. Finished her shift and had a drink each at a nearby bar and then made it to my room. She was wild in bed, flat no tummy (1 kid popped out) decent breasts and an attitude to keep me happy. Looked like she didn't get any for months, no need for cover and I banged her for good 2-3 hours. Gave her taxi money and she promised to see me in the morning for the whole day. We met at breakfast and she gave me the bad news that she is red, but this did not stop her from hitting my room again. Delivered a non stop BBBJ, in between I tried her virgin ass but it was very small tight and she was scared to death. Promised me for next time and keeps messaging me & wants me to come back. I agree with some punters, this city is slow and relaxed but is anything but Dull!

P.S. - try the hostesses at all bars / restaurants, I believe they are available.

[QUOTE=SamSanuk;2931918]Hmmmm. I know you live there and probably have a very good sense of availability. It is true that opportunities in SR that you find in Thailand (and even PP) don't come close. But I disagree that there is "no scene" in SR. I haven't been "on the hunt" there for several years, preferring the company of a local I've known for a long time and importing a former go go dancer from BKK last year. Years ago, there were a couple of "dance clubs" where a barang could score. One was the old branch of Martini across the river; the other was a small venue in the center of SR. My last "score" was from New Star KTV maybe 5 years ago. Thida, without my expressing interest, volunteered her phone number and name on a slip of paper which she discretely put in my hand. I have absolutely no idea if New Star has survived, but there were quite a few do-able chicks in there. No idea if they were all up for action.

SS.[/QUOTE]Dude before Wuflu the scene wasnt rocking, but when desperate you could find something, especially backpacker girls and a few quality freelancers. One of my top memories was a fab 25 year old freelancer that looked like a supermodel and who I taught how to Yamyam but once the plague arrived poof she was gone.

These days, freelancers are scarce and hideous. The large TVs are shut down the ones on Khmer Pub Street are dead. Loads of ugly trannys on tourist Pub Street. Pretty much all that's left are chicken shacks. Thats what the tourist gets in Siem: chicken shacks. $50 plus transport.

I'm lucky because I live there and can work locals (if I want). But f there is effort involved beyond pulling cash out of my wallet, Ill stick to Backpackers.

And just go to Bangkok, regardless. 7 hour trip $20.

But living 2 miles from the temples well compensates me for the lac of mongering.

Planning my first trip to Phnom Penh. Any tips or must do suggestions from those who have more experience that I have?

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2932328]Planning my first trip to Phnom Penh. Any tips or must do suggestions from those who have more experience that I have?[/QUOTE]List the main topics of interest and how long you will be staying. If strictly interested in nightlife and mongering, there are tons of reports here. Also, a lot of info on YouTube.

SS.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2932328]Planning my first trip to Phnom Penh. Any tips or must do suggestions from those who have more experience that I have?[/QUOTE]I may not have been to PP for a while but I know many guys who have made PP their number 1 choice.

Hotel. Find a place in your budget range near or along the Riverside and 136 or 130. Lux riverside is a budget friendly favorite. If you want a much nicer place nearby you can PM me.

RLD. Main area is Street 136 to 104 and Riverside to Street 13. There is Le Cyrcee nearby and Pontoon disco, if still open, if you like the "freelancer" scene. Also, Darling Darling at the casino.

Biggest tip. If you see a girl you want to barfine make sure she does barfine before buying any drinks for her. She may be an "Original". Ie. Virgin. Yeah, right! Of course it's ok to buy cheap drinks and DFK, grope the girl.

Biggest tip 2 - if you pay a bill with $100 US bill make sure your change is not counterfeit. Lots of that going. Even if bill is legit make sure it's in pristine condition of no one will accept it. Needless to say, make sure your US bills are pristine too.

I'm doing a SEA trip soon and was planning to stop in PP. Of course, I'm interested in mongering.

Anyone here want to provide best tips on where to go, how much things cost, etc?

How common is it for girls to do BBFS and allow cip?

I'm also interested in threesomes, how common is that?

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2932605]I may not have been to PP for a while but I know many guys who have made PP their number 1 choice.

Hotel. Find a place in your budget range near or along the Riverside and 136 or 130. Lux riverside is a budget friendly favorite. If you want a much nicer place nearby you can PM me.

RLD. Main area is Street 136 to 104 and Riverside to Street 13. There is Le Cyrcee nearby and Pontoon disco, if still open, if you like the "freelancer" scene. Also, Darling Darling at the casino.

Biggest tip. If you see a girl you want to barfine make sure she does barfine before buying any drinks for her. She may be an "Original". Ie. Virgin. Yeah, right! Of course it's ok to buy cheap drinks and DFK, grope the girl.

Biggest tip 2 - if you pay a bill with $100 US bill make sure your change is not counterfeit. Lots of that going. Even if bill is legit make sure it's in pristine condition of no one will accept it. Needless to say, make sure your US bills are pristine too.[/QUOTE]Do not pay with 100's. Cyrecee is closed. Pontoon is closed. Darling is worthless.

I can't stand Phnom. Horrible place. Filthy too.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2932750]Do not pay with 100's. Cyrecee is closed. Pontoon is closed. Darling is worthless.

I can't stand Phnom. Horrible place. Filthy too.[/QUOTE]As of 2024 May, Pontoon was still open. Definitely not long for this world as the entire block that it's on is a vast abandoned development site, all fenced up with signs advertising a promised Chinese-built future of luxury condos, but Pontoon is still hanging on, in all it's teeth-rattling bass soundsystem and beefy testosterone dudes on the dance floor. Still a smattering of free-lancers, especially during the Lady's Nights, which are most of the weekdays.

Cyrcee closed down, in its place is Sona Horny Secret Bar, which has much of the same strengths and weaknesses: mainly older bargirls (early to late 30's, a scattering of late 20's), no stunners, but who are very friendly and forward, and very quick to get down to business. You can tell they've been working the scene for awhile, but unlike many of the women in Thailand / Vietnam / etc they still seem friendly and unjaded.

I would recommend Sona to any first-timer in PP as it's a near-guarantee of success. You can figure out how the whole 'walk into bar, spend some time getting the woman a drink and talking a bit, negotiate, then head out the door' system that nearly every other bar uses. Women aren't the hottest but they are friendly and easy-going, and the short-time hotel nearby makes it convenient as well.

Cyrcee actually resurrected itself (or the name anyway) just around the corner from its old location; I walked by in 2024 May, ducked in to avoid a rainstorm, and talked to a 33-year-old barlady there, who I thought was the mamasan but was actually a worker. She was only one on duty besides an attractive young cashier and a very attractive 18-year-old 'original', who barely looked up from her phone. (As discussed in earlier posts, 'originals' are what they call virgins, there to lure customers in, but never really available for outcall unless you are willing to spend a very large amount of money). She looked like trouble to me anyway, so I didn't bother. Wound up taking the woman out to the same short-time hotel around the corner that the Sona staff uses.

Barfines in both Sona and New Cyrcee were $10-$15 depending on night / busy-ness of bar / etc. Shortime fees (which equates to about three hours, so long enough really) was $35-$50 there, but remember that those spots are outside the tourist zones, where fees may be higher (and the women prettier / younger, to be fair). Factor in 1-3 lady drinks (pretty much mandatory in PP) at about $3. 50-$5 each, then the short-term hotel of $8 for three hours, and it adds up.

[QUOTE=OohxTasty10;2932640]I'm doing a SEA trip soon and was planning to stop in PP. Of course, I'm interested in mongering.

Anyone here want to provide best tips on where to go, how much things cost, etc?

How common is it for girls to do BBFS and allow cip?

I'm also interested in threesomes, how common is that?[/QUOTE]Threesomes were definitely available at Sona, on my first visit I wound up sitting with two women ("sisters" from Kampot, though the odds of them really being sisters are as high as one of them still really being in her 20's, LOL), and they were really pushing it. But a lot of Khmer girls are a little more shy, so I'd say it's not that common? I don't ask for BBFS / CIP but it's probably YMMV. Sex education is pretty low in Cambodia so a lot of the girls may not be too aware of the risks involved. For other tips, lots of info on here already. Riverside area has most of the bars. Street 136 has the biggest, blingiest, with many set up more as KTV-style catering to Chinese / Korean / Japanese tourists, with women who are more there to get the customers drinking. Girls get a percentage of every lady drink price they're bought, and often that's enough $$ for them. Bars along Street 130,118, 110 will have a higher percentage of women who will leave the bar with you.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2932328]Planning my first trip to Phnom Penh. Any tips or must do suggestions from those who have more experience that I have?[/QUOTE]I see you post in the Thai forums a lot, so my only other addition is that PP is nothing like Thailand. No massage spots, no gogo bars, no Thai Friendly, etc. Just the hostess bar scene which will probably be disappointing, as Nyezov notes, but it's rewarding if you have the time and don't mind talking to the women a bit first, getting to know them. A bit of kindness and friendship to the girls (even if its fake) goes a long way there, but most visitors don't have the patience for that. (And there will always be the girls who just want your $$, of course, but maybe not as much of a percentage as in Thailand?

If you're asking about non-P4 P suggestions, there's also Bassac Lane, where the international set goes to drink, flirt and vomit; lots of hipster bars, restaurants, etc, in a convenient walking-street kind of setup. Often local girls and guys there too. A few big malls if you're into that (nothing like BKK of course), and the riverside area can be pretty during sunset / sunrise. Everyone loves a good sunset cruise along the Mekong / Tonle Sap rivers, too.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2932750]Do not pay with 100's. Cyrecee is closed. Pontoon is closed. Darling is worthless.

I can't stand Phnom. Horrible place. Filthy too.[/QUOTE]As of 2024 May, Pontoon was still open. Definitely not long for this world as the entire block that it's on is a vast abandoned development site, all fenced up with signs advertising a promised Chinese-built future of luxury condos, but it is still hanging on, in all it's teeth-rattling bass soundsystem and beefy testosterone dudes on the dance floor. Still a smattering of free-lancers, especially during the Lady's Nights, which are most of the weekdays.

Cyrcee closed down, in its place is Sona Horny Secret Bar, which has much of the same strengths and weaknesses: mainly older bargirls (early to late 30's, a scattering of late 20's), no stunners, but who are very friendly and forward, and very quick to get down to business. You can tell they've been working the scene for awhile, but unlike many of the women in Thailand / Vietnam / etc they still seem friendly and unjaded.

I would recommend Sona to any first-timer in PP as it's a near-guarantee of success. You can figure out how the whole 'walk into bar, spend some time getting the woman a drink and talking a bit, negotiate, then head out the door' system that nearly every other bar uses. Women aren't the hottest but they are friendly and easy-going, and the short-time hotel nearby makes it convenient as well.

Cyrcee actually resurrected itself (or the name anyway) just around the corner from its old location; I walked by in 2024 May, ducked in to avoid a rainstorm, and talked to a 33-year-old barlady there, who I thought was the mamasan but was actually a worker. She was only one on duty besides an attractive young cashier and a very attractive 18-year-old 'original', who barely looked up from her phone. (As discussed in earlier posts, 'originals' are what they call virgins, there to lure customers in, but never really available for outcall unless you are willing to spend a very large amount of money). She looked like trouble to me anyway, so I didn't bother. Wound up taking the woman out to the same short-time hotel around the corner that the Sona staff uses.

Barfines in both Sona and New Cyrcee were $10-$15 depending on night / busy-ness of bar / etc. Shortime fees (which equates to about three hours, so long enough really) was $35-$50 there, but remember that those spots are outside the tourist zones, where fees may be higher ($50-100 for short-time, but the women are usually prettier / younger, to be fair). Factor in 1-3 lady drinks (pretty much mandatory in PP) at about $3. 50-$5 each, then the short-term hotel of $8 for three hours, and it adds up.

[QUOTE=OohxTasty10;2932640]I'm doing a SEA trip soon and was planning to stop in PP. Of course, I'm interested in mongering.

Anyone here want to provide best tips on where to go, how much things cost, etc?

How common is it for girls to do BBFS and allow cip?

I'm also interested in threesomes, how common is that?[/QUOTE]Threesomes were definitely available at Sona, on my first visit I wound up sitting with two women ("sisters" from Kampot, though the odds of them really being sisters are as high as one of them still really being in her 20's, LOL), and they were really pushing it. But a lot of Khmer girls are a little more shy, so I'd say it's not that common? I don't ask for BBFS / CIP but it's probably YMMV. Sex education is pretty low in Cambodia so a lot of the girls may not be too aware of the risks involved. For other tips, lots of info on here already. Riverside area has most of the bars. Street 136 has the biggest, blingiest, with many set up more as KTV-style catering to Chinese / Korean / Japanese tourists, with women who are more there to get the customers drinking. Girls get a percentage of every lady drink price they're bought, and often that's enough $$ for them. Bars along Street 130,118, 110 will have a higher percentage of women who will leave the bar with you.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2932328]Planning my first trip to Phnom Penh. Any tips or must do suggestions from those who have more experience that I have?[/QUOTE]I see you post in the Thai forums a lot, so my only other addition is that PP is nothing like Thailand. No massage spots, no gogo bars, no Thai Friendly, etc. Just the hostess bar scene which will probably be disappointing, as Nyezov notes, but it's rewarding if you have the time and don't mind talking to the women a bit first, getting to know them. A bit of kindness and friendship to the girls (even if its fake) goes a long way there, but most visitors don't have the patience for that. (And there will always be the girls who just want your $$, of course, but maybe not as much of a percentage as in Thailand?

If you're asking about non-P4 P suggestions, there's also Bassac Lane, where the international set goes to drink, flirt and vomit; lots of hipster bars, restaurants, etc, in a convenient walking-street kind of setup. Often local girls and guys there too. A few big malls if you're into that (nothing like BKK of course), and the riverside area can be pretty during sunset / sunrise. Everyone loves a good sunset cruise along the Mekong / Tonle Sap rivers, too.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2932750]Do not pay with 100's. Cyrecee is closed. Pontoon is closed. Darling is worthless.
I can't stand Phnom. Horrible place. Filthy too.[/QUOTE]Hi Mr Nye.

Have noticed your responses are quite negative on a number of topics so was wondering where you would suggest the best mongering lies? And why?

I'm not a big bar girls, big spender type of guy and 6-8 standard FL will do.

Appreciate.

[QUOTE=NewImage;2932900]Hi Mr Nye.

Have noticed your responses are quite negative on a number of topics so was wondering where you would suggest the best mongering lies? And why?

I'm not a big bar girls, big spender type of guy and 6-8 standard FL will do.

Appreciate.[/QUOTE]Unless you want to go to Rio, Bangkok.

[QUOTE=NewImage;2932900]Hi Mr Nye.

Have noticed your responses are quite negative on a number of topics so was wondering where you would suggest the best mongering lies? And why?

I'm not a big bar girls, big spender type of guy and 6-8 standard FL will do.

Appreciate.[/QUOTE]I don't know anyplace anywhere where you can get 6-8 quallity freelancers for the price of a 4-5. In PP, you might try a few of the large beer gardens, though there might be a language challenge. Often, the beer promotion girls can be wooed.

I went to such a place a few years ago with a couple of Khmer buddies and made a short video. If you are familiar with a Tawang Dang set up in Thailand, you'll know what I'm talking about. A combination variety dinner show / drinking venue open to all. Including mixed groups on dates. In PP, we had one of the servers sit with us for awhile. We were told we could have the girls come sit with us after their set on stage. There were some absolute 7-9's up there. I have no idea about guaranteed availability for take out or prices. I gathered that some will go and some will not.

SS.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2932750]Do not pay with 100's. Cyrecee is closed. Pontoon is closed. Darling is worthless.

I can't stand Phnom. Horrible place. Filthy too.[/QUOTE]I didn't realize Cyrcee Secret Bar in the new location closed down too.

Darling is worthless because the girls are ugly now or just too expensive? Imo it was one of the few places in PP years ago where you could find half decent looking girls but at double or triple the cost (ie. still cheap). Again, have not been to Darling for a long while.

Appreciate the responses. Will RTTF more deeply. Just being lazy. I value the opinions given. Thank you!

Got to head home. It was another great trip. Lux Riverside recommended. You are in the center of things and get the feel, get the vibe, how it is done in PP. Hotel is safe, not seedy. Families also staying in the hotel. If you want window sight, got to check prior with reception not to be disappointed. Pontoon, Darling, Nana: Expensive and offputting. Forget them. For the well heeled who understands nuthin about PP. Keep in touch with mama sans. Instead of giving LD, give a 5 dollar bill. This doubles her take and you don't feed the alcohol addiction lurking everywhere over here. It is also worthwhile observing who leaves Lux. Some gems can be connected with on their way out. Sin city on 118 has young ones, but was not good to me. Too passive and untalented. Got to reckon that Cambo means analphabetism in some quarters. So when a young bird needs the read out loud function on her smart phone, she probably has a hard time reading. She will likely also be terrible at pleasing you. Girls love to go two on one with you in the room. I decline. Waste of money, less concentration on you than there should be. A mama san introduced me to a 20 why 157 40 kg spinner. Youth really does it. 60 US $ short time. Barfine 15, Was a good experience, but not stunning. I was lucky to pick up another stunner, though, 18 y, 145 cm, 37 kg, 1 month in pp. Shoes size 5 UK, 35 Euruope. Natural nails, no tattoo, big head, long hair cutie. English not bad. 80 US $ 2 h. Dedicated gal who liked the experience. I understand some mates on this forum could not connect with PP. Maybe BK is more accessible. But for me, who is not shy to spend a third of the trip budget on female company (rest is airfare and hotel), PP has been bringing up gems every time. I can relate to the statement that Khmer are prudish. But that does not pertain to every impressible young bird. What I do know is demographics, opportunity and lack thereof. From what I have seen, I am sure these are golden times in PP for the hobby.

Supercutie came to meet again. Goes to English school every day. Salary of security and restaurant server is 170 US $ per month. She can make that in two ST stints. She will do allright.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2932750]Do not pay with 100's. Cyrecee is closed. Pontoon is closed. Darling is worthless.

I can't stand Phnom. Horrible place. Filthy too.[/QUOTE]50's are ok. 20's and 10's better. You don't like a place with a 4th grade graduate whose been dictator for 30 years? Wow.

On topic somewhat, the search function doesn't work for me so. Are there English Corners in PP? Or Expat / Internatons type meetups.

Prefer semi-pros who are smart and discreet.

Philosophus, hand off your supercutie to me. I'm good for 100 a month and unlimited baths.

[QUOTE=Philosophus;2932978]Supercutie came to meet again. Goes to English school every day. Salary of security and restaurant server is 170 US $ per month. She can make that in two ST stints. She will do allright.[/QUOTE]Big thanks for sharing his current reporting. I'd welcome more. Actually, the "golden years" in PP were 20+ years ago when you could score cute freelance Viets for $10-$15 all night. .

SS.

[QUOTE=SamSanuk;2933126]Big thanks for sharing his current reporting. I'd welcome more. Actually, the "golden years" in PP were 20+ years ago when you could score cute freelance Viets for $10-$15 all night. .

SS.[/QUOTE]Yeah, a friend told me China was like that 20 years ago. $20 nights.

So in 2024, since I really don't like the idea of walking the streets.

With the expectation of paying somewhere between 30 and 100, in which of the girly bars would I be most likely to find a gal sitting in the corner reading a paper book? Or at least wearing glasses? Heh.

[QUOTE=WatchTower;2933819]Yeah, a friend told me China was like that 20 years ago. $20 nights.

So in 2024, since I really don't like the idea of walking the streets.

With the expectation of paying somewhere between 30 and 100, in which of the girly bars would I be most likely to find a gal sitting in the corner reading a paper book? Or at least wearing glasses? Heh.[/QUOTE]I was curious about 2004's $20 present worth so I asked chatgpt. Its $30 today so yes, hobbying was cheaper 20 years ago.

[QUOTE=SamSanuk;2933126]Big thanks for sharing his current reporting. I'd welcome more. Actually, the "golden years" in PP were 20+ years ago when you could score cute freelance Viets for $10-$15 all night. .

SS.[/QUOTE]You mean cute 18 year olds that graduated from the K11 brothels they were trafficked to at age 12.

[QUOTE=Vendelo;2934016]I was curious about 2004's $20 present worth so I asked chatgpt. Its $30 today so yes, hobbying was cheaper 20 years ago.[/QUOTE]I'm comparing $20 in 2004 in Asia to the $100 outcall HJ / BJ / $200 FS incall rates I was paying in the States back then, for semipros off craigslist.

Beijing rates were about $40 short time to $150 (for all night) about 10 years ago. Tantan, momo, thebeijinger. All free anon sites back then.

In Phnom Penh if there's a college gal semipro who can speak English; $100 for an overnight, $50 for repeats, seems more fair. Others here say <$200 a month is the average wage.

0 interest in the bar girls who do this as a job.

[QUOTE=WatchTower;2934583]…
In Phnom Penh if there's a college gal semipro who can speak English; $100 for an overnight, $50 for repeats, seems more fair. Others here say <$200 a month is the average wage.

0 interest in the bar girls who do this as a job.[/QUOTE]I would also prefer college semipro over bar girl. I've been once to PP. Scroll back a few pages to see my reports. I like PP.

How would you meet a college semipro? I tried FB. Friended many girls but only one replied to my message. There are a few on TF and Date in Asia.

[QUOTE=Vendelo;2934736]I would also prefer college semipro over bar girl. I've been once to PP. Scroll back a few pages to see my reports. I like PP.

How would you meet a college semipro? I tried FB. Friended many girls but only one replied to my message. There are a few on TF and Date in Asia.[/QUOTE]Online's glory days are done.

It's a longshot but I've been going to [URL]http://nerdnightphnompenh.com/[/URL] a sort of ted talk gathering wth about 100 people at a bar. If a girl flirts with me at one of these, she's done for. Heh.

I'd go to university events if there are any, maybe at American University, or amcham (American chamber of commerce) meetups (they charge too much here, $25-$35. Some in BJ were free).

English corners if there are any, another obvious possibility.

Sure, semipro sounds better than pro sounds better than hardened pro.

What is important, though, is a grasp of the transitory nature of the young bird's behavior. They hail from the province, are desperate, try to practice safe sex, try that the client does the work and roger her pussy covered, making some money, then settling in between maximising LD income, and topping it off with one or two johns a month who bed them. Some are pro for a month, then fall back to semi pro, some quit, some live off money dudes send them, all depends on youth, looks and natural horniness of the chicks. Factory girls have less choices than college girls. Girls who have had local high school Khmer boys hammering them from young age on are more experienced, adventurous and horny, even when they go for the occasional p4 p once they turn 18. So do not limit your ventures to college beauties, I had wonderful times with factory gals. English through the translator app is quite enough, and nonverbal communication is good any time when your are banging away deep inside an orgasmic super petite no fat small tit angel below you.

[QUOTE=Philosophus;2934950]Sure, semipro sounds better than pro sounds better than hardened pro.

I had wonderful times with factory gals. [/QUOTE]Good for you.

I'll stick with what I like. Not sure I'll find it in PP though.

I tried to scour the internet and ISG for daytime options in PP, and I found these:

Fishbowl at Eclipse /"Massa" massage on St. 252.

Sour Amara Spa.

2nd floor of Hotel Luxury World.

Mean Haur Hotel.

Any experiences with any of these? Other ideas?

I realize 99% of the action will come from the bars on 136,130, 118, and 104. I just want something to entertain me during the day.

[QUOTE=ShinyCrazy;2935841]I tried to scour the internet and ISG for daytime options in PP, and I found these:

Fishbowl at Eclipse /"Massa" massage on St. 252.

Sour Amara Spa.

2nd floor of Hotel Luxury World.

Mean Haur Hotel.

Any experiences with any of these? ...[/QUOTE]OMG! Luxury World Hotel "massage" is back up and running. My one and only visit there was with a buddy over 20 years ago. We were staying at the Hong Kong / Big Luck hotel across Monivong. It was lunch time and we took a walk to find a place to eat. That is how we came across Luxury World. We were sitting in the restaurant on the ground floor and I noticed that a couple of tables nearby were occupied by young women with red short shorts and white tops. They were a bit flirtatious, making eye contact and with big smiles. As they left, my friend and I followed them up a staircase to what turned out to be a fishbowl with at least 20 gals. All were 5-7's. As I recall, the cost was $10 per hour / shot. I didn't partake, but my friend did. He said it was ok for $10. His gal, he said, was a bit "shy".

A few years later, Cambo authorities started deporting Viet ho's en masse. All of the "massage" shops on Street 63 disappeared overnight. I think that the Luxury World "spa" got wrapped up in that sweep also.

Doesn't cost anything to look. It's near St 198 and Monivong.

Sam Sanuk.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2932935]I didn't realize Cyrcee Secret Bar in the new location closed down too.[/QUOTE]If you mean Sona, it was open last time I went by, a couple weeks ago.

Been a few years since I was last in PP and I was curious to see what has changed. First things to notice is that the drive in from that airport is faster since the roadworks were completed. A lot of new and much bigger buildings along the way in. Riverside and the back streets are still as I recall. We arrived late and I decided to take my wingman to Airforce One as it was a bar I enjoyed last time around. To my surprise some of the older, less attractive girls were still in that bar and even remembered me they claimed. Anyway the talent was not a good as last time but there were a few worth drinking with. The better looking ones did not speak english which was a real shame. So I picked one that did and decided to ask early if she went with customers. She confirmed she did and after a few hours of playing billards and drinking we headed back to the hotel. Normally I would not take a girl from a girly bar who was not hand-ONS or showed any affection while in the bar, however it was getting late and I was tired and did not want to go to another bar. So knowing she was not going to be a GFE I readied myself for some starfish sex. Back in the room I decided to see if DATY would fire her up and while she got soaking wet, she claimed she did not really like DATY that much. She had a very large set of natural breasts which is odd for a Cambo girl. So then popped the cap on and proceeded to missionary position and finished with a doggy. WIR, no because there are way too many bars here with a lot of girls.

The next day we decided to head out earlier and went to a few bars to test out the talent. First stop was Xanadu. We arrived a little early so there was not a lot of girls in but over the hour we were there they started to drift in. Some of them seemed to be worth another look on another day. We decided to head to Baccara Bar. This bar had a lot of girls and were slightly younger than the girls at Xanadu. Nice billard table and the girls take the game very seriously. So we played a fair few games and I while playing I spotted one that was my type. I brought her a drink and asked her if she goes with customers to which she answered yes. So I told her it was still a little early and that I would come back for her. My wingman had his eye on a girl he saw at Airforce One the night before so we went back there again. We drank with the girls for a few hours and the he asked the girl he spotted if she would go with him to which she said yes. He paid the barfine and we left and on the way back to the hotel he dropped me off at Bacarra Bar. The girl was happy to see me and was very affectionate. The good thing about the Baccara bar was that the girls were not overly pushy for drinks whereas I felt that Airforce One they were just after the drink and were very pushy.

So we went back to the hotel after a few hours. Back in the room she was a pleasure to see naked. Nice natural small breasts, tight arse and curvy waist. She provided a very nice GFE with long, multiple sex positions for a very nice doggy finish. Fell asleep for a few hours before heading home. WIR, yes because she was a no stress and fun to be with girl.

What we did notice hopping between the bars was that vast number of girls sitting out the front of the bars and the really low number of punters. They say it is low season but there was not that many punters in any of the bars we visited on a Saturday night. We will see what the next few days bring. As usual, days in PP can be long if you are not working or not sight seeing. Massages and sitting by the pool are at least one way of passing the time. Happy Hunting.

[QUOTE=ShinyCrazy;2935841]I tried to scour the internet and ISG for daytime options in PP, and I found these:

Fishbowl at Eclipse /"Massa" massage on St. 252.

Sour Amara Spa.

2nd floor of Hotel Luxury World.

Mean Haur Hotel.[/QUOTE]I also found a lot of references to these places before I went to PP, but I think that most online info is heavily outdated for the city; Massa on Str 252 closed either during or before the pandemic. And I think that Hotel Luxury World is also still closed; last google or TripAdvisor reviews were three years ago. And if you see any references online to the Golden Sorya Mall for freelancers, that's also been closed and in fact torn down, so don't get your hopes up.

For daytime action, I have heard of a newer spot in the BKK area (that's Beung Keng Kang, not Bangkok) that offers, well, Bangkok or Japanese-style nuru massage with FS. It's called Sky Massage Phnom Penh. It has an active Telegram channel which does appear very, um, appealing.

Also scattered around the city, most massage places next to a KTV may offer more than just massage. (They are banking on all the blue-balled KTV customers looking for the release they never got while losing their $$$ with the KTV girls). But, for the most part, Phnom Penh is a city for the night. Good luck, enjoy.

So having survived the long day of sitting by the pool and recovering, we decided to do some bar hopping. As it was Saturday night I was expecting to see a lot more punters out and about. The bars had a lot of girls but the punters were thin on the ground. We walked along 130 and 136 and dropped into a bar called Xanadu. It was a little early but the number of girls was growing and some very attractive ones were making their way in. We drank with a few of them and enjoyed some billards. The girls are a little more pushy for drinks than normal but are not overly aggressive. We stayed about 1 hour and then left for Baccara in 118. Nice bar with a decent billard table and some cute but younger girls. One older girl did catch my eye and I bought a few drinks and played some billards with her. Nice body and pretty face with a good attitude. Told her my wingman wanted to head to another bar and that I would be back to collect her later. We went back to Xanadu and the place was full of girls and a few punters as well. My wingman grabbed a cute girl and off he went for some fun. I played billards and got the names of a few that could be worth a shot over the coming days. Ended up back at Baccara where I met up with the girl and we had few more hours of drinking and billard playing. The girls in the bar take their billards seriously so if you are not a good player you will be buying drinks a lot. They are not as pushy as the girls in Xanadu. We went back to the hotel and my girl did not disappoint. GFE with many positions and a lot of DFK. Stayed a few hours after for a short cuddle and sleep. WIR, yes because of good service and nice attitude.

Day 3 we bar hopped a few of the bars on 136 but all were the same. Pushy for drinks with girls demanding you buy a drink before you even sit down. We went back to 104 and went into Airforce Bar. Was a slow night and hard to be the only two punters in the place. After a few drinks we left and decided to go to Xanadu. Was full of girls and a lot of punters. I had my eye on one that I was drinking with the day before but sadly was told that she does not go with customers. However all was not lost as I spotted a taller girl with a really nice figure. Quickly ordered drinks and began to get settle with her. I then remembered the golden rule to ask if she goes with customers to which she smiled back and said yes. Well I reckon my dick grew six inches when she said yes and I so looking forward to our time in the room later in the night. Xanadu was loud and rocking and while it has a good atmosphere the number of women in there makes it challenge as they all push you for a drink even if you have a girl in hand. It is constant and they also try to move in on each others claim. Interesting to see that they have no ethics about moving in on another girls catch.

My wingman and I grabbed our girls and headed back to our rooms for some fun. Mine promptly jumped in the shower and then came out to reveal a great figure to match a pretty face. After I showered we hopped under the sheets and began a great sesssion. DATY, DFK and lots of positions. Finished with doggy looking at her great arse. WIR, yes and I intend to tonight.

PP days are long but the nights make it worthwhile. You need to spend time bar hopping to find what you want in PP. Watch the bill tab and stay firm on telling the girls that you are not interested in that you will not buy them drinks. Reckon 4-5 days is about the perfect length of time. Happy Hunting.

[QUOTE=Axiata;2936947]So having survived the long day of sitting by the pool. Happy Hunting.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the. Planning on exploring PP for some variety in a few weeks, encouraging to know theres some worthwhile fishing grounds.

[QUOTE=WintersLight;2936708]

For daytime action, I have heard of a newer spot in the BKK area (that's Beung Keng Kang, not Bangkok) that offers, well, Bangkok or Japanese-style nuru massage with FS. It's called Sky Massage Phnom Penh. It has an active Telegram channel which does appear very, um, appealing.
[/QUOTE]Excellent! Thanks for the tip. Trip is planned for November. If I find Sky Massage, I'll post a trip report.

[QUOTE=ShinyCrazy;2937116]Excellent! Thanks for the tip. Trip is planned for November. If I find Sky Massage, I'll post a trip report.[/QUOTE]I searched Google maps and found:

Sky Massage Phnom Penh Saint 398.

SKY TK Massage.

Sky Massage & Sauna.

LE SKY Massage Studio.

They all look like erotic massage, and the first two are actually open 24 hours. Guessing that "Sky Massage" is like "Happy Pizza". Wink wink. Once the name means something to foreigners, everyone uses the name in order to attract a crowd.

[QUOTE=Axiata;2936947]So having survived the long day of sitting by the pool and recovering, we decided to do some bar hopping. As it was Saturday night I was expecting to see a lot more punters out and about. The bars had a lot of girls but the punters were thin on the ground. We walked along 130 and 136 and dropped into a bar called Xanadu. It was a little early but the number of girls was growing and some very attractive ones were making their way in. We drank with a few of them and enjoyed some billards. The girls are a little more pushy for drinks than normal but are not overly aggressive. We stayed about 1 hour and then left for Baccara in 118. Nice bar with a decent billard table and some cute but younger girls. One older girl did catch my eye and I bought a few drinks and played some billards with her. Nice body and pretty face with a good attitude. Told her my wingman wanted to head to another bar and that I would be back to collect her later. We went back to Xanadu and the place was full of girls and a few punters as well. My wingman grabbed a cute girl and off he went for some fun. I played billards and got the names of a few that could be worth a shot over the coming days. Ended up back at Baccara where I met up with the girl and we had few more hours of drinking and billard playing. The girls in the bar take their billards seriously so if you are not a good player you will be buying drinks a lot. They are not as pushy as the girls in Xanadu. We went back to the hotel and my girl did not disappoint. GFE with many positions and a lot of DFK. Stayed a few hours after for a short cuddle and sleep. WIR, yes because of good service and nice attitude.

Day 3 we bar hopped a few of the bars on 136 but all were the same. Pushy for drinks with girls demanding you buy a drink before you even sit down. We went back to 104 and went into Airforce Bar. Was a slow night and hard to be the only two punters in the place. After a few drinks we left and decided to go to Xanadu. Was full of girls and a lot of punters. I had my eye on one that I was drinking with the day before but sadly was told that she does not go with customers. However all was not lost as I spotted a taller girl with a really nice figure. Quickly ordered drinks and began to get settle with her. I then remembered the golden rule to ask if she goes with customers to which she smiled back and said yes. Well I reckon my dick grew six inches when she said yes and I so looking forward to our time in the room later in the night. Xanadu was loud and rocking and while it has a good atmosphere the number of women in there makes it challenge as they all push you for a drink even if you have a girl in hand. It is constant and they also try to move in on each others claim. Interesting to see that they have no ethics about moving in on another girls catch.

My wingman and I grabbed our girls and headed back to our rooms for some fun. Mine promptly jumped in the shower and then came out to reveal a great figure to match a pretty face. After I showered we hopped under the sheets and began a great sesssion. DATY, DFK and lots of positions. Finished with doggy looking at her great arse. WIR, yes and I intend to tonight.

PP days are long but the nights make it worthwhile. You need to spend time bar hopping to find what you want in PP. Watch the bill tab and stay firm on telling the girls that you are not interested in that you will not buy them drinks. Reckon 4-5 days is about the perfect length of time. Happy Hunting.[/QUOTE]If you don't mind, can you provide costs of drinks / BF / ST / LT.

[QUOTE=Mosquito2002;2937124]If you don't mind, can you provide costs of drinks / BF / ST / LT.[/QUOTE]That was probably a $200 night.

[QUOTE=ShinyCrazy;2937117]I searched Google maps and found:

Sky Massage Phnom Penh Saint 398.

SKY TK Massage.

Sky Massage & Sauna.

LE SKY Massage Studio.

They all look like erotic massage, and the first two are actually open 24 hours. Guessing that "Sky Massage" is like "Happy Pizza". Wink wink. Once the name means something to foreigners, everyone uses the name in order to attract a crowd.[/QUOTE]Yeah, it's the one on 398. No 17, Str 398, according to their Telegram channel. Channel is mainly filled with photos of what appear to be Vietnamese girls, so I can't tell if they're importing them from VN or if they're just reusing photos from spas there.

Sky was recommended on another Telegram channel devoted to Phnom Penh nightlife. That user noted the price was equivalent to higher-end nuru places in Bangkok. I haven't tried them yet, but hope to visit when I'm back in a few months.

Thanks.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2937264]That was probably a $200 night.[/QUOTE]A bar hop night, BF and a long time will be around the $150 per night depending on how much you drink and how many girls flock around you to get a drink off you. We did buy a lot of drinks but remember, we are on holiday and come to play. I am a sure that locals would pay much less and that is fine. YMMV. Happy Hunting.

So our last night in PP was well planned out, or so we thought. We planned to bar hop and end up at Xanadu to grab the girls we had the night before. Started off at Cowgirls but it was not happening there and the girls were so so. Walked along 130 and 136 and while there was a lot of girls outside each bar, we just could not find anything that caught our eyes. Then decided to head to 104 to check out NaNa bar. We knew there was a billard table upstairs so we decided to grab two girls and take them upstairs to play pool. Interesting set-up having the upstairs table as there is a lot of privacy. Now it is fair to say that the girls were more interested in playing with our balls than the pool table balls. A lot of hand action and the girls even decided that the table was better to dance on than play billards. After a few too many drinks we bar fine them and took them back for the night. Golden rule is never let the girls drink too much otherwise they will not perform. Now while mine was not too drunk, it was enough to make for sex that was just ok. Standard stuff, DATY and many positions, but somehow it was not what the night promised, WIR, no because there was no real GFE and PP has way too many girls to repeat an average performer.

So our trip to PP has ended and we fly back to BKK tomorrow. Not much has changed aside from the lack of punters and the big increase in girls and bars. The girls on average appear to be younger and there are some cute ones to be found. Daytime is tough but the nights make up for it. Would I come back again? Maybe for a few days, but I prefer Pattaya and a few days in BKK these days. Happy Hunting.

[QUOTE=Axiata;2937353]We did buy a lot of drinks but remember, we are on holiday and come to play. I am a sure that locals would pay much less and that is fine.[/QUOTE]I agree totally with this. I don't understand guys who are on vacation for a week or two and penny pinch. You're on vacation. Overspend if you're having fun.

Having been out with Axiata and his Wingman before I can say there are very few guys I know who have as good a time as they have when they go to bars.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2937360]I agree totally with this. I don't understand guys who are on vacation for a week or two and penny pinch. You're on vacation. Overspend if you're having fun.

Having been out with Axiata and his Wingman before I can say there are very few guys I know who have as good a time as they have when they go to bars.[/QUOTE]Thank BB. Been a while since we have bar hopped with you. We must do that when we are next in Pattaya. Keep well and Happy Hunting.

First night in Phnom Penh, on 136 street.

Tons of young spinners. ST is 3000 baht or $100 US.

Customers in the bars are mostly Chinese, with lots of Indian guys walking around. Just a handful of Farangs.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2937871]First night in Phnom Penh, on 136 street.

Tons of young spinners. ST is 3000 baht or $100 US.

Customers in the bars are mostly Chinese, with lots of Indian guys walking around. Just a handful of Farangs.[/QUOTE]Last November I paid US $50 for short time. Have prices increased?