East China - Shanghai

[QUOTE=SamCan;1588463]I just got back from SH. I went to wanhang du a couple times this trip. I have been there before but it has changed. They walk me to the room, bring the girl. Ask me if the girl is ok. (I don't know what happens if you say no. As I just went with it). The menu is either HJ for 268 or BBBJ for 328. I asked the girl the first time about a condom and the mamasan the second time. Both times the answer was no. There is however a BBBJ in store for you if that is what you are looking for. .[/QUOTE]Could you kindly share the name of this parlor?

[QUOTE=Answer;1589035]Could you kindly share the name of this parlor?[/QUOTE]I don't know the name, it is the alleyway that says 24 hour massage on over it. Start on the opposite side of the road from the Jin an temple. Head north. On wanhangdu.

The alley will be on your left at the fork in the road.

BJ provide more data if you can!

Sam.

I don't know the name, it is the alleyway that says 24 hour massage on over it. Start on the opposite side of the road from the Jin an temple. Head north. On wanhangdu.

The alley will be on your left at the fork in the road.

BJ provide more data if you can!

Sam.

Go north up from Jingan Temple. As you pass Beijing Rd, just to the right on Beijing Rd at #1808 you will see one os the sister massage places of the same owner. Continuing north you will cross Wulumuqi road, then after another block you will see Xinxha road on the right. On the next block Wining road will fork left and Wanhangdu will head right. Go left on to Wuning and you will see an alley with the Massage sign over the alley entrance. The massage ace is in the alley. Enjoy.

BJ.

And don't forget to post a report for all of us stranded elsewhere. And thanks to Sam Can for his numerous reports.

[QUOTE=ShangHangin;1586586]Xainis,

If you went to the Bao'An sauna Pudong (near former Purple Mountain Hotel), then you were so close to SiYuan, which is on the 3rd floor of the Merrilyn Hotel. SiYuan is pretty reliable in terms of selection and service.

Good luck.

SH.[/QUOTE]Many thanks for the tip. I finally tried the SiYuan sauna. In general it was a great experience. Price was 880 RNBs for one hour. Normal procedure. Unchange, take a shower, dress to this funny bath things. Then for the 1st time in my life I had to choose from the line. Around 15 girls. I was feeling awkward so I picked a slim girl with nice face. We went to the room and then also for my first time I had a Nuru massage (if that is the name of the water bed massage in combination with body to body massage). Amazing feeling. The girl was incredible flexible, thin and with small breast. We then went to the bed and she started licking me all over with warm and cold water combinations. She was also applying some suction at the same time. Nice feeling. Then she started a BJ (also very nice) and we continued with having sex in various positions till end. She was very passionate and with an increased sensitivity on her nipples. She wanted me to touch them all the time. I liked the whole process a lot. If I had time I would have gone again. Next time!

[QUOTE=Answer;1589035]Could you kindly share the name of this parlor?[/QUOTE]Is the HJ clean? I would like to hear more about what the gals offer.

Hey guys,

Have an upcoming layover at Pudong and wondering if any massage places close by the airport. I read about SiYuan but, aybe something closer?

Thanks everyone, I will report back of course.

[QUOTE=EdwardFun;1590236]Is the HJ clean? I would like to hear more about what the gals offer.[/QUOTE]If you read my post, you know exactly what the girls offer. As far as clean? I don't know if they use hand sanitizer LOL.

[quote=sunnypei;1580601]marty47,

i think you can start a business just like several other guys who are active in isg. but your recommendation is pro bono lol.

i've also seen you and boynick recommended her and another girl on other site. you guys must be fan of her and her collection of toys!

btw, i'm new. my name is sunnypei. nice to meet you![/quote]i was reading through the threads on shanghai and ran across this one from sunny pei, who also is advertising in classifieds (and seems to be quite expensive, but also has good reviews). a bit of a sour grape though no? you and wendy / cathy are competitors no? maybe people just like her and want to help promote her. there are several good posts about you too, does that mean you are giving those people special favors? anyway, this is the first time i have seen anything this catty in 8 years.

Hey all,

Went to a place called A Hai Sauna last week in Shanghai. I would say it is very much off the beaten path. I would say it is more "local" than a Bodi or 777, at least in terms of the waiting area, etc. Probably Chinese 4 star hotel equivelent. The rooms are pretty decent though. I would say at least the equivalent of Bodi, if not better.

Location:

71 West Suzhou Road.

Floor 2 - you have to take the stairs to the back right after you enter, the elevator won't stop on the 2nd floor.

It isn't too far from the Shanghai rail station, but taxi drivers may not know exactly how to get there because it is on a small street that is parallel to Suzhou Creek. It is actually in a small office building of six stories or so. When I first went up the stairs the guy sitting outside came up and stopped me. Said it was not convenient for me to go up, but when I said I wanted a massage he said ok.

The manager was nice and after gave me a card and said to call ahead next time so he can make sure that he had beautiful girls in the lineup.

Line up when I went on a Friday night 8 PM was about 8 girls. All okay. I chose 26 from Guang Dong, who was about 23-24 years old, nice body, face (except a scar where she had an abortion). Very good and not a complainer about anything. I am getting tired of going to Bodi or something and after 1 shot the girl is ready to go.

Anyway, damage is 880 for 90 minutes, including shower in the soapy area. I thought that was a good value. Also, in the last 30 minutes if you want a second girl it is only 300 RMB extra. More if you want a second girl the full time. I thought it was interesting to offer this in this way. I didn't accept but was thinking maybe next time.

I hadn't heard about this place on the forum yet so wanted to share. If anybody else goes, please do share. As it is always good to have places other than Bodi, 777, etc. On the board.

interesting--i don't think this is catty. a few of old guys here will tell about our experiences with a new "find". when cathy came into the business, she was honest and reliable. i think sunny is too (but have not experienced her), as are a few others. all of you have read about the switch and bait out there and i am sure have experienced it also. i will continue to inform my fellow isg members about the good new finds. as i have said before cathy has become a friend, as i was the first and will continue to watch her career. as with her reviews, she is always well reviewed. but i am sure she has had some bad experiences, but i think we all have at one point or another. as in any country there are good people and bad, i have a lot of friends i have made in the 15 years of traveling in china, been to a few wedding's, given english names and so on. so good luck to all, heading back to sh in a couple of weeks.

[quote=expatsh01;1590622]i was reading through the threads on shanghai and ran across this one from sunny pei, who also is advertising in classifieds (and seems to be quite expensive, but also has good reviews). a bit of a sour grape though no? you and wendy / cathy are competitors no? maybe people just like her and want to help promote her. there are several good posts about you too, does that mean you are giving those people special favors? anyway, this is the first time i have seen anything this catty in 8 years.[/quote]

recently during my business trips i have decided to stay one night at shanghai and explore the city and this is the report.

i have read a lot about almost everything and since i don't know any chinese, thought it would be difficult to effectively communicate with taxi drivers so planned to use maglev and then metro as main transportation, visit tang dynasty at afternoon, nanjing road at evening and manhattn at night.

if you are going to use metro the < exploreshanghai. com / metro / has good information about shanghai metro and very useful apps for ios and android.

also all signs and guides in metro is bilingual so no need to any paper map, nevertheless paper metro maps are available at hotels.

i booked a good 5 star hotel at jingan area to be in a good location.

arrived at about 10 am to pudung airport, bought a metro card and then a 2 way maglev card (metro card was redundant as if you are going to return within 7 days you can charge the maglev and use it as metro card).

maglev is amazing especially at mornings when its speed is over 400 km / h and save at least 1 hour of my valuable time.

took line 2 and at destination found my hotel without any problem. by getting the room it was about 12:30 pm.

shower and shaving the metro to line 9 qi bao station.

based on sauna maps on shanghai guide site and despite of misdirection of google maps for china i thought i can find the spot easily but i was so wrong.

after a long walk i found myself at the position but there was no sign of tang dynasty.

tried to ask some people and the security guard of a building at the position with no lock (commercial or governmental building i believe).

i just forgot to bring the taxi card (not from shanghai guide but another site) with me, how stupid.

after 20 minutes of looking around and starting to get attention and suspicion of the people i realized that it is a dead end.

fast jugging back to metro station, got the train, changed the line, back to the hotel, got the card back to train, changed the line and at qi bao station again.

the address of the tang dynasty is no. 2407 at qi shen street (qi xin lu) and the odd numbers are at the west side of the street, quite opposite of what was shown on shanghai guide site.

the starting address number was about 400 above the 2407 so i thought i might had to pass 200 buildings but i was wrong and after signal it drops, the distance of tang dynasty from qi bao station is about 1. 2 km so you decide for yourself to walk or take a taxi.

you can see the difference on the map image attached, the wrong position of shanghai guide is crossed blue.

inside the building the guards asked something that i didn't understand just showed them 6 and a guy guided me to the elevator.

at the reception a guy on his iphone showed me the rates for different colors (yellow 880, red 980, blue 1080) which i agreed they guided me trough a very confusing path to the selection which was about 7 girls (6 normal, one 1080).

the only blue one (1080) had wide eyes which may looks attractive to chinese but for me it was quite regular and i preferred much to choose a cute with tight chinese eyes.

the girl guided me to the room and brought me a coke. she was 23 and did her best, i tried to use google translate to establish some communication but since i couldn't speak chinese and she couldn't speak english the whole session was rather boring for both of us.

next time if ever, maybe it would better to ask for 2 girls, they could talk together and i could enjoy their beauty.

tang dynasty is clean, private and safe. the locker is in the room and the furniture is reasonably in good condition.

another long walk to qi bao station and at about 19:30 at nanjing road.

the place is interesting and worth to visit, i was offered sex massage many times which of course refused.

another pattern should be known and avoid is 2 or 3 guys mostly one girl and two boys ask you to take a picture of them then start conversation by asking where are from etc. i trapped two times and after took pictures, my answer to where are you from was it is not your f. king business.

had my dinner at nanjing road then at about 10 pm headed to manhattan.

the place was full and the ratio was good. ordered a double premium whiskey (100 cny, so expensive) and made a round to see what is available.

most of them were viet girls, some normal chit chat, tow more rounds of double whiskey and to my surprise the belly dance was started followed by two russian dancers, very entertaining to see chinese belly dance.

at about 1 am i decided to go back and took a viet beauty with me for 1500 cny full night.

took taxi for short ride and to my surprise again no one was at the door or at the lobby so we flawlessly reached to my room.

we had a good and decent conversation for about 30 40 minutes, mainly to see if i need registration or any trouble is on the way and luckily there was none.

she was good in everything and did her best especially stayed until 9 am so i tipped her 100 cny (and she didn't ask for payment at all).

shower, good breakfast, metro to maglev to the airport.

to me shanghai is a good place with some memos.

take care,

p. f.

[QUOTE=PersianFellow;1591892]
Another pattern should be known and avoid is 2 or 3 guys mostly one girl and two boys ask you to take a picture of them then start conversation by asking where are from etc. I trapped two times and after took pictures, my answer to where are you from was it is not your f. King business.
P. F.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the heads up on the photo scam, I hadn't heard about that one before. Maybe next will be a cute girl looking for a lost doggie.

[QUOTE=Marty47;1591082]Interesting--I don't think this is catty. A few of old guys here will tell about our experiences with a new "find". When Cathy came into the business, she was honest and reliable. I think Sunny is too (but have not experienced her), as are a few others. All of you have read about the switch and bait out there and I am sure have experienced it also. I will continue to inform my fellow ISG members about the good new finds. As I have said before Cathy has become a friend, as I was the first and will continue to watch her career. As with her reviews, she is always well reviewed. But I am sure she has had some bad experiences, but I think we all have at one point or another. As in any country there are good people and bad, I have a lot of friends I have made in the 15 years of traveling in China, been to a few wedding's, given English names and so on. So good luck to all, heading back to SH in a couple of weeks.[/QUOTE]How is Cathy being Catty? I just mean that sunny pei is basically making accusations about a competitor. To me, that is Catty.

Anyway, maybe not everybody thinks so. I just found it odd.

I gave Cathy a try a little while back. Very accommodating and nice. But her looks were not my cup of tea. Short, waist not thin, small breasts. Her figure is not great. Most Chinese guys would give her 3/10. But to each his own.

Can anyone recommend a budget KTV in Shanghai or in a nearby city? Preferably with strip games, etc. If you can, what would be the total cost (beer) for two persons including everything but sitting fees. Thanks so much if you can help.

[QUOTE=Playboy2000;1593142]Can anyone recommend a budget KTV in Shanghai or in a nearby city? Preferably with strip games, etc. If you can, what would be the total cost (beer) for two persons including everything but sitting fees. Thanks so much if you can help.[/QUOTE]I am not sure what you think is a "budget KTV", because the range here is very wide, but let's try this:

I know a good one not far from Gubei district, for two guys should be around 2000 to 3000 including a lot of beer and whiskey (enough for you two guys and your 2 to 4 girls), the sitting fee there is 300 to 400 (including nude games), but no one there can speak any english.

Another one I checked near Jing An Area is higher level (from rates, but also girls and enviroment) and will be around 4000 to 5000 for you two guys and the girls, the sitting fee is 500 to 700 (also nude games, could go up to BJs), but here they also have a mamasan who can speak a decent english and she can join your party and translate for you and arrange the games, also some of the girls there can speak basic English.

Please send me a private message and I will give you the contact informations.

Enjoy Shanghai.

Anybody can help where can I find pregnant ladies for the weekend?

Located just down an alley on the right side of Shanghai Hilton, on the left side of alley. Various massages from 98 for traditional Chinese (no oil) to about twice that with oil. I don't like oil, so I opted for the traditional.

I got a fairly pretty Chinese girl who I would guess was mid to late 20's. Her trad massage technique was fair, but useful. I care about getting a good therepeutic part of the massage, and this wasn't as good as I am used to in Asia. On the flip, she asked 300 for HE (using fingers to indicate the price, since she didn't know English), but settled quickly for 200. Unfortunately, her technique was not good. Most focus on the middle, rather than the tip where I need it. And I left less than totally happy. Still, she had a nice attitude. It's a friendly place. At least one of the girls spoke some English, something I don't consider to be necessary. She may have been the prettiest of the bunch (not a knockout, but nice in the face), but the others weren't bad looking. The rooms are dim, so looks don't seem the most important to me.

I was looking for Royal, but did not find it. Just before Animate, also on left, there was JB's Massage Club, followed by a place called New Massage Club. JB's appeared to have closed at midnight. Animate and New appeared to stay open until at least 2 AM.

If anyone can speak about Royal's location, and whether New Massage may be Royal's with a new name, I'd like to know.

[QUOTE=SteveNaive;1595868]Located just down an alley on the right side of Shanghai Hilton, on the left side of alley. Various massages from 98 for traditional Chinese (no oil) to about twice that with oil. I don't like oil, so I opted for the traditional.

I got a fairly pretty Chinese girl who I would guess was mid to late 20's. Her trad massage technique was fair, but useful. I care about getting a good therepeutic part of the massage, and this wasn't as good as I am used to in Asia. On the flip, she asked 300 for HE (using fingers to indicate the price, since she didn't know English), but settled quickly for 200. Unfortunately, her technique was not good. Most focus on the middle, rather than the tip where I need it. And I left less than totally happy. Still, she had a nice attitude. It's a friendly place. At least one of the girls spoke some English, something I don't consider to be necessary. She may have been the prettiest of the bunch (not a knockout, but nice in the face), but the others weren't bad looking. The rooms are dim, so looks don't seem the most important to me.

I was looking for Royal, but did not find it. Just before Animate, also on left, there was JB's Massage Club, followed by a place called New Massage Club. JB's appeared to have closed at midnight. Animate and New appeared to stay open until at least 2 AM.

If anyone can speak about Royal's location, and whether New Massage may be Royal's with a new name, I'd like to know.[/QUOTE]The new massage club is royal. It is between JB and animate. I believe it says (or used to say) Royal in the white signage area that runs across the building above the top. THe door is in the center. The girls sit in a sitting area to the right and the counter is to the left when you walk in. There are typically only 2 massages on the menu. HJ or HJ topless. It used to be BJ for the more expensive but it changes. Not tip required. It is included in the price.The number of girls has never been more than 3 but usually 2. Quality of the girls run hot and cold in the looks department. A couple years ago, they were really hot.

I got a HJ at Animate for 140 tip on a regular basis. The girl I had was a decent massage but a very good HJ. I actually ended up doing takeout with her to my hotel which also worked well for me. Of course YMMV.

[QUOTE=SamCan;1596141]I believe it says (or used to say) Royal in the white signage area that runs across the building above the top.[/QUOTE]Thanks very much for your post. I walked by this evening and confirmed that the animated LED sign at this place does NOT say Royal. I will check it out soon and report any other changes I find.

Anyone know if she's still working?

On the right side of Hilton Beijing is an entrance to a parking lot. Go through that to the other side, and you get to a small street or alley. Along the left, you will see JB's Massage Club (hard to miss), then a place that says only New Massage Club, then Animate (Powerful) Massage.

New Massage Club no longer says Royal on the moving LED sign on the outside. Go inside to the desk, and you will see a sign with three lines:

"Oil Massage" 358, 60 minutes.

"Royal Massage", 458, 70 minutes.

No tips!

No other description is offered. I opted for the oil massage.

The young lady was pretty, slim, friendly, and spoke very little English. I took her up on the offer of a shower (solo), then she handed me a hand towel to dry, and a kind of blue paper miniskirt to wear. I call it that because unlike shorts, there was no divider to get in the way of things. I don't actually know why they want you to put it on, but I did.

It was quite warm in the room. The remote for the a/c, which she did not turn on, said 26. That's a few degrees cooler than it was outside, but still rather warm.

The backrub part of the massage was fair to good, starting with the shoulders, then the lower back. I needed a deeper massage, but that's not what this place is for. Next she hoisted up the miniskirt and began massaging my hips. She worked down, massaging between the hips but staying well away from "there". She had me hoist up onto my knees to get better access, and gradually worked down to the boys, and the stick, which was begging for attention by this time. She spent perhaps 10 minutes in this.

On the flip, she showed me her telephone. It had two messages. One said "458 take your clothes off" and the other "358 don't take your clothes off". So obviously this was an opportunity to change my mind. She was allowing some touching under her dress, though I did not go under her panties, since I wanted to stay with the 358 plan for this first time. It was upsell, but in a very friendly way. I was tempted.

I often take awhile to pop, and that was the case this time. She was patient. Her technique overall was among the best I've had, especially while I was on my knees.

After, she cleaned me up a bit, and suggested another shower, which again I took. No soap, so the oil didn't really come off much. A fresh dry hand towel to dry off.

Overall, she was nice to look at, would have been better with clothes off, had very good technique, was patient and friendly. The other girl in the shop also looked good. Not especially cheap at 358, but very convenient if you're staying at Hilton. She did not ask for a tip. Yes, I'd go back.

A word of warning: wear the clogs they offer. The floor is quite slippery, especially after the shower, and the step down could be deadly. It's dim enough that it's hard to see where the floor will be. I suspect there was lingering oil on the shower from earlier use, because it was slippery for the first shower, when I was not wearing clogs.

Earlier reports have called this club Royal Massage. There are indeed business cards that still say that, but it does not say it on the outside. Earlier reports gave the prices as 300 or 450; the sign definitely said 358 and 458 now.

Just past Animate Massage there is a hotpot restaurant, though it's not open much past 9 pm. I had a pork chop, breaded with 5-spice flavor, and cold noodles with sesame paste. A bowl of broth was complimentary. The table condiments (chili / bean sauce, soy sauce, vinegar) improved the noodles. This dinner cost 15. The beer was another 10. The food was decent for the money. Service was friendly enough, as were the other customers (who seemed a little surprised that I was there), and the menu had just enough English to get by on. The hotpot is probably good, but you normally get it for a small crowd.

Dear Shanghai Guide.

I just you a PM. It would be great if you could give me the Gubei info. I promise to return te favor when I get some good info.

Playboy.

[QUOTE=ShanghaiGuide;1595049]I am not sure what you think is a "budget KTV", because the range here is very wide, but let's try this:

I know a good one not far from Gubei district, for two guys should be around 2000 to 3000 including a lot of beer and whiskey (enough for you two guys and your 2 to 4 girls), the sitting fee there is 300 to 400 (including nude games), but no one there can speak any english.

Another one I checked near Jing An Area is higher level (from rates, but also girls and enviroment) and will be around 4000 to 5000 for you two guys and the girls, the sitting fee is 500 to 700 (also nude games, could go up to BJs), but here they also have a mamasan who can speak a decent english and she can join your party and translate for you and arrange the games, also some of the girls there can speak basic English.

Please send me a private message and I will give you the contact informations.

Enjoy Shanghai.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SteveNaive;1596546]On the right side of Hilton Beijing is an entrance to a parking lot. Go through that to the other side, and you get to a small street or alley. Along the left, you will see JB's Massage Club (hard to miss), then a place that says only New Massage Club, then Animate (Powerful) Massage.

New Massage Club no longer says Royal on the moving LED sign on the outside. Go inside to the desk, and you will see a sign with three lines:

"Oil Massage" 358, 60 minutes.

"Royal Massage", 458, 70 minutes.

No tips!

No other description is offered. I opted for the oil massage.

The young lady was pretty, slim, friendly, and spoke very little English. I took her up on the offer of a shower (solo), then she handed me a hand towel to dry, and a kind of blue paper miniskirt to wear. I call it that because unlike shorts, there was no divider to get in the way of things. I don't actually know why they want you to put it on, but I did.

It was quite warm in the room. The remote for the a/c, which she did not turn on, said 26. That's a few degrees cooler than it was outside, but still rather warm.

The backrub part of the massage was fair to good, starting with the shoulders, then the lower back. I needed a deeper massage, but that's not what this place is for. Next she hoisted up the miniskirt and began massaging my hips. She worked down, massaging between the hips but staying well away from "there". She had me hoist up onto my knees to get better access, and gradually worked down to the boys, and the stick, which was begging for attention by this time. She spent perhaps 10 minutes in this.

On the flip, she showed me her telephone. It had two messages. One said "458 take your clothes off" and the other "358 don't take your clothes off". So obviously this was an opportunity to change my mind. She was allowing some touching under her dress, though I did not go under her panties, since I wanted to stay with the 358 plan for this first time. It was upsell, but in a very friendly way. I was tempted.

I often take awhile to pop, and that was the case this time. She was patient. Her technique overall was among the best I've had, especially while I was on my knees.

After, she cleaned me up a bit, and suggested another shower, which again I took. No soap, so the oil didn't really come off much. A fresh dry hand towel to dry off.

Overall, she was nice to look at, would have been better with clothes off, had very good technique, was patient and friendly. The other girl in the shop also looked good. Not especially cheap at 358, but very convenient if you're staying at Hilton. She did not ask for a tip. Yes, I'd go back.

Ad.[/QUOTE]Well done Steve. You just made Samcan 's private list of referrals.

Just spent the weekend with my regular provider, Yoyo who works out of Paulaner Xintiandi. I met her there, still several girls hanging around the bar and a few outside the restaurant as well. Generally Paulaner girls are 30's plus, so if you're looking for 20-year olds Manhattan is still the best spot. But the experienced girls from Paulaner know exactly how to act and perform, they know what is expected and recognize they need repeat business. I'm satisfied!

Prices seem to be stable at RMB 1,500 for overnight although Yoyo says her friends are pushing harder to drive the price to 2 K. One benefit of a regular provider is no negotiation!

Bar Luna across the street from Paulaner is a younger crowd, not really my action but I've negotiated the overnight price at 1,500, so consistent with Paulaner.

Note the touts are very active in and around Xintiandi. I'm an old, bald white guy so an easy target but between JW Marriott People's Square and Xintiandi I had six offers for sexy massage. No thanks!

Mates,

I plan to be in shanghai next week. I read reports of LE Crackdown on ISG. Is the situation back not normal? I have been to shanghai several times and have done ST and LT both from some agencies and manhattan.

Any safe reco's.

Thanks in advance.

AG.

Hello gentlemen,

It's been a while since I've been on here but I was recently at Tang Sauna so I wanted to give you guys a review. Like Persian Fellow said the location of the sauna is actually pretty far from the heart of the city so it's about a 30 minute metro ride from most places. The closest metro stop is qibao (19971;23453. From there it's about a 10-15 minute walk south along Qishen road. You'll cross a small creek and about 5 minutes later it'll be on your right, at the intersection of Baolian Road. The main desk is on the 6th floor and there will be a guy on the outside that will radio up to let them know that you're coming.

Once in you'll be taken to a resting room to change into the standard clothes before the host take you along several corridors and hidden doorways towards the lineup. An amazing sight, I was there on a Sunday evening and there were more than 40 girls lined across. I chose 66 and proceeded to the room. From there an amazing soapy and great session with the girl. Helps if you speak Mandarin. For a sauna the facilities and service are top notch. It's not cheap but if you're looking to get pampered it's definitely worth a try.

I'm beginning to sound like I'm hacking for Paulaner or Xintiandi, but I simply want to pass on my observation and experience from last night. I hit Paulaner Xintiandi around 10 pm, late for me. Might have been five working girls around the bar, one named Sandy immediately sharked me. We talked for a while but I pegged her as a giggly airhead and soon excused myself to the toilet. When I returned from upstairs I found my regular provider near the bar, ordered beers and we danced a while. When we left around 11:30 there must have been 20 girls or more around the bar, several of them younger and prettier than I remember seeing here. Maybe the stress and LE involvement in other places in Shanghai have people nervous but as I said in a post below, Paulaner is really cooking! For me RMB 1,500 overnight because that is my standing arrangement with my ATF but I'm sure I could have negotiated a great deal with the others, it's definitely a buyers market. My friend told me, "all girls, no customers!

Before I head on to Beijing, where I will be staying for pretty much the rest of the year (I intent to be active enough there to earn myself the title of the resident correspondent for this forum), I am staying in Shanghai from the 24th till the 28th. I decided to wrap up my mongering experiences of the last few days (who is interested in the other stuff anyway).

Having arrived on the 24th I freshened up at the Hotel (staying in Bodi by the way. The room is fine for the rate but just the usual, rather dark themed Chinese "boutique" type of room. Given the awkward location not really to be recommended) and went to Xintiandi, inspired by BushWhack's post, in the evening. Around 10:30 pm there were a few obvious working girls at the bar in Paulaner, but really not the kind I am looking for. Being a tall, not-too-bad looking European in his late twenties I felt a bit out of place there, so decided to head on. Next stop: Manhattan. The place was well filled at 11 with the usual selection of mostly Viet girls and a few others. As I still wasn't sure if a regular provider of mine was to come around, I waited for her call and chatted up a cute looking Viet chick. Was asking 1000ST, 2000 LT. Seems to be the new asking price. To expensive for me, so I continued to browse. Later regretted that a little since my date fell through. As I wasn't looking for a Viet chick anyway (I find the accent annoying and they usually speak bad English, while my Vietnamese is non-existant, which makes for bad communication), I discovered a alright looking girl from Fujian next to another hot looking Chinese chick with glasses. While the girl with glasses completely ignored me (which strangely enough added a lot to her stern teacher look), I was chatting to the Fujian girl. Quoted 2000 for ST, one shot. Since I'm not crazy I decided to try my luck elsewhere but to no avail.

Heading back to the hotel I stopped at one of the Pudong BBS hotspots, and what can I say, they are in full-swing again: I walked down Eshan lu from Dongfang lu until Pudong Nanlu and discovered about 10 places at 2 am. Headed into one slightly removed from the street on the right side where a girl instantly smiled after I went inside. Took her for the quoted 300, without negotiation. A chubby mid-20 from Chongqing, not much too look at apart from the smile. Her pussy was tight and inviting though. I could feel that she was enjoying our short 7 minutes of sex, as her pussy was squeezing in rhythm while I fucked her. Shooting inside her was mindbogglingly good, considering she wasn't much to talk about. Headed on and ended up in another BBS on Tangqiao lu, just down Pudong Nanlu, where I fucked a better looking girl from Dongbei, haggled the price down to 200 without a problem. Felt like drugged while fucking her.

On the 25th I met a friend all day and am just free roaming again since afternoon. Decided to head over to the Bodi Sauna where I had a mediocre session with number 525. Cute mid-twenty girl from Hunan, but obviously a bid overworked and not really to happy to serve one of those "hung" laowai. The chat with her was nice though, but if I wasn't able to speak Chinese at least enough to hold a decent conversation, I might have been disappointed. Don't pick her. You do yourself and her a favour. Damage was 900. I'm now waiting for the girl from Thursday to make an appearance, but as that seems more and more unlikely today too, I'm thinking about either going to bed or heading back to Eshan lu.

Does anyone know of any high-end escort or massage girl who provides service for couples?

Not the regular working girl who is after a quick buck but a girl who genuinely enjoys pleasing another girl or guy.

Its a fantasy for me and my gf and I want to make sure her experience will be an orgasmic one.

Recommendation is highly appreciated. Could be Asian or not.

[URL]www.cathybeauty.wix.com/cathy[/URL] toys and all.

[QUOTE=Rice_guy;1599767]Does anyone know of any high-end escort or massage girl who provides service for couples?

Not the regular working girl who is after a quick buck but a girl who genuinely enjoys pleasing another girl or guy.

Its a fantasy for me and my gf and I want to make sure her experience will be an orgasmic one.

Recommendation is highly appreciated. Could be Asian or not.[/QUOTE]

Situation is bangin in Shanghai. Pussy Galore. Enjoy!

[QUOTE=AsianGeek;1598321]Mates,

I plan to be in shanghai next week. I read reports of LE Crackdown on ISG. Is the situation back not normal? I have been to shanghai several times and have done ST and LT both from some agencies and manhattan.

Any safe reco's.

Thanks in advance.

AG.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ScaPom;1599763]Before I head on to Beijing, where I will be staying for pretty much the rest of the year ......[/QUOTE]Looking forward to you joining the ranks here in BJ!

Hey guys,

Long time lurker here. Moved to Shanghai a while back from the states and just got my first massage here ever. Living in the Jing'an area, and remembered driving past an alley off Wanhangdu Lu that had a big "Massage" sign. Finally went to check it out.

It was around 9:30 pm last Saturday. There was a woman at the front desk who, after asking if I wanted a massage lead me to a room. She then straight up said, it's 350 RMB for a hand job or 450 RMB for a blow job. Having no idea if that was expensive or not (but knowing it was cheap compared to the states either way), I opted for the blow job. She brought a girl in a few minutes later and asked if she was OK. She was fairly skinny, decent face. All in all not bad. I said she was great and then the mama-san left and the girl asked me to shower. After showering and laying down she came in and started rubbing me down. She was very quiet but knew exactly what she was doing. Started teasing while I was still face down and then began to clean my. Ahem. Bottom. Really really well. She then proceeded to rim me for a good minute or two. I'm actually not even sure if I was into it or not, but I was definitely surprised, so I let her do her thing. Afterwards she asked me to flip and then I started to move my hands around on her while she massaged my front. I slowly started rubbing her down below and she asked if I wanted to "have that too". I asked how much and she said 500 RMB. I told her I didn't have enough so she said I could use a credit card out front. I said thanks but it was just too much money, so she asked how much I would pay. I said 300 RMB and then she just took her panties off! She climbed on top and we went at it. We moved around to four different positions before I popped. She was very very good.

All told the night cost me 750 RMB. I'm assuming I overpaid, but I had a great time and it was still $100-200 cheaper than the states!

So, of course my big questions.

1) Did I get hosed?

2) If I wanted to do this on the regular (1/ week or month), are there places in Jing'an or should I shop around a bit more. I'm not looking for any sort of out call. I'm more of a get in get out kind of guy. Honestly, looks aren't super important to me either, I just have needs, if you know what I mean.

I've tried searching the forums, but it's touch to find neighborhood specific information (unless I'm missing something. If so let me know, I'm willing to do the work myself!

Anyway, nice to meet everyone!

[QUOTE=Piaculum;1602571]Hey guys,

1) Did I get hosed?

2) If I wanted to do this on the regular (1/ week or month), are there places in Jing'an or should I shop around a bit more. I'm not looking for any sort of out call. I'm more of a get in get out kind of guy. Honestly, looks aren't super important to me either, I just have needs, if you know what I mean.

I've tried searching the forums, but it's touch to find neighborhood specific information (unless I'm missing something. If so let me know, I'm willing to do the work myself!

Anyway, nice to meet everyone![/QUOTE]Good for you! Nice report.

I have been and written about that MP before. Never got FS there before. You paid an ok going rate for FS. You may have gotten her down another 100 rmb but WTH! You enjoyed it. I am assuming she did not have condoms. Last time I went, I asked for a CBJ but they did not have them.

You can pay more at Manhattans (1000-1500 rmb) for more choice. 680 rmb-1080 rmb at one of the spas, (I suggest you visit manhattans for some window shopping and the spas if you are into FS.

If you are a get in get out guy, you can try the BBS experience for 200 to 400 rmb. That is what you get. . A 15 minute experience all in. I have never done it but there are multiple posts here that can help you if you look back a few pages.

One Caution. Something I read here years ago if you see the same girl regularly "Don't ever fall in love with a working girl". It will be the most expensive freebie of your life. Ask me how I know.

Sam.

[QUOTE=Piaculum;1602571]Hey guys,

All told the night cost me 750 RMB. I'm assuming I overpaid, but I had a great time and it was still $100-200 cheaper than the states!

So, of course my big questions.

1) Did I get hosed?

2) If I wanted to do this on the regular (1/ week or month), are there places in Jing'an or should I shop around a bit more. I'm not looking for any sort of out call. I'm more of a get in get out kind of guy. Honestly, looks aren't super important to me either, I just have needs, if you know what I mean.

I've tried searching the forums, but it's touch to find neighborhood specific information (unless I'm missing something. If so let me know, I'm willing to do the work myself!

Anyway, nice to meet everyone![/QUOTE]I have extremely limited experience in Shanghai however I went to Bodi spa which was an amazing experience. There you can relax in the jacuzzi, sauna, steam room etc. While they bring you a beer. Then the line up and at least 45 minutes to an hour, I don't know if there is a time limit, with the babe of your choice in a tiled room with soapy massage and lots of other fun for 880 rmb. So I have no idea what else is going on in Shanghai but if I ever get back I am headed straight there. So, no, you did not get hosed.

[QUOTE=SamCan;1602916]Good for you! Nice report.

One Caution. Something I read here years ago if you see the same girl regularly "Don't ever fall in love with a working girl". It will be the most expensive freebie of your life.

Sam.[/QUOTE]I second that!

Fz.

[QUOTE=SamCan;1602916]Something I read here years ago if you see the same girl regularly "Don't ever fall in love with a working girl". It will be the most expensive freebie of your life. Ask me how I know...[/QUOTE]I read the following somewhere or other in the forums here and it's stuck with me for a long time: you can take a working girl out of massage shop, but you can't take the massage shop out of the working girl. It's a bit harsh, but every time I've known someone who has tried it, it has always ended up badly.

I don't think it's being judgmental. I'm sure you could say the same thing for mongerers too, for that matter. When mongerers and working girls decide they want to settle down with someone, then IMHO they need to find someone outside of the scene.

Thanks guys, appreciate the responses / info.

Simon. Glad to hear I got a fair price. Thanks for the info re: Bodi. I'm definitely planning on checking that out this weekend. I've never even had a selection before, let alone a line up I'll report back.

SamCan. She actually did have a condom on her, otherwise I never would have done it (at least I like to think I wouldn't have.). But she was also making sure we didn't make too much noise either. Was especially careful with her skin squeaking on the table whenever the covering got moved. Not sure how common it is that girls do things behind managements back around here. In hindsight I'm kicking myself for not getting her name / number. I'd be bummed going back now and not getting the same experience!

So, now the bad news.

Re: BBS's, I'm really at a loss here. So, after having such a successful first outing and, I did some research on BBS's and read that one of the best streets is Anyuan Lu, between Changde and Jiaozhou. I took a walk up there two nights ago and it seemed completely dead though. It was around 12:00 pm. Was I too late? To be honest, I still don't even know exactly what I'm looking for. It sounds like they used to have legit barber poles outside, but that's sort of an anachronism now? The few neon massage signs that I saw were in front of seemingly closed places (like, metal gates shut and locked closed. Not just lights off). I ended up walking around that area for 20 minutes before getting in a cab to head back to the parlor on Wanhangdu.

The cabbie drove down Changde, and made a right onto Wuding. As we're driving along I spot a dimly lit place with a small massage sign and several women inside. I had the cabbie stop at the next corner and I hopped out. As I walked into this place it seemed like it could be good. One of the girls was pretty cute, and asked if I wanted a massage. I said yes so she led me back to a room with four beds in it, all separated by half-height walls and curtains. The place was empty though so I didn't really care. The next 20 minutes was just constant upselling. 2 girls? 3 girls? No, 1 is not comfortable, you need more than 1 girl. You want to touch it's extra. No, you only paid to touch me, not her. No, you can't touch me there unless you pay more. Etc. Luckily my Chinese is alright, otherwise I feel like I could have walked out of there owing a bunch of money. In the end I got out for only 250 RMB, which was honestly way more than it was worth. I know I should have just left at the first sign of trouble, but hey, we all make mistakes.

So, I'll definitely keep looking into this BBS thing, but my next trip will definitely be to Bodi!

[QUOTE=SamCan;1602916]Something I read here years ago if you see the same girl regularly "Don't ever fall in love with a working girl". It will be the most expensive freebie of your life. Ask me how I know.
Sam.[/QUOTE]I don't pretend to know a lot about this but. If a working girl enters into a relationship with you it is in the culture that you are expected to give presents and provide a little support. If anyone has a better handle on this please post to let us know.

I pay my girlfriends medical insurance for example. It was my idea. I didn't want to get a, "I'm going to die without an expensive operation," phone call.

[QUOTE=FiveAces;1603901]I don't pretend to know a lot about this but. If a working girl enters into a relationship with you it is in the culture that you are expected to give presents and provide a little support. If anyone has a better handle on this please post to let us know.

I pay my girlfriends medical insurance for example. It was my idea. I didn't want to get a, "I'm going to die without an expensive operation," phone call.[/QUOTE]My experience with Chinese girls beyond the "hour" - civie and pro. Is that they almost immediately expect you to start buying gifts and sometimes it's turned into a stupid negotiation. I explained to one, "I am not a wallet. " I understand it from a cultural standpoint much better now but at first I was pretty turned off by girls asking to go shopping. Now I just avoid that step altogether. Wham, Bam, Thank you, 'mam.

[QUOTE=FiveAces;1603901]I don't pretend to know a lot about this but. If a working girl enters into a relationship with you it is in the culture that you are expected to give presents and provide a little support. If anyone has a better handle on this please post to let us know.

I pay my girlfriends medical insurance for example. It was my idea. I didn't want to get a, "I'm going to die without an expensive operation," phone call.[/QUOTE]You are correct. It is culture. Espescially with the massage girls. It becomes a competition on who has the best boyfriend and what their worth is to you. And of course how much they are worth.

The problem is you are dating a girl that has equated men / some level of sex act *BJ, HJ, FS) with money. This becomes that basis of the relationship. I give gift she gives to me.

The girl I had only got more expensive, it didn't matter how much it was, next time should be more. It is easier to realize the relationship for what it is and keep it business.

Just my opinion and experience. YMMV

Sam.

[QUOTE=SamCan;1604043]it didn't matter how much it was, next time should be more.Sam.[/QUOTE]

My strategy is to budget a certain amount for her and then tell her it is only 2/3 rds as much.

I do get more of a relationship. They don't think they are selling emotions but rather that it is their due. We think we are abused but this is nothing compared with a Chinese business man who has to buy shao titi an apartment, car and Gucci bag.

[QUOTE=FiveAces;1604313]My strategy is to budget a certain amount for her and then tell her it is only 2/3 rds as much.

I do get more of a relationship. They don't think they are selling emotions but rather that it is their due. We think we are abused but this is nothing compared with a Chinese business man who has to buy shao titi an apartment, car and Gucci bag.[/QUOTE]I have a completely different strategy. When girls start asking for gifts, I generally just ignore it. Ignoring their request is easy to do because I always have alternative girls I can hook up with. I never let any girl think that they are an exclusive. This way they have to play to my favor rather than the opposite way around. I keep a mix of working girls and freebies thus I've got variety.

Just one simple man's approach.

SH.

[QUOTE=ShangHangin;1604519]Ignoring their request is easy to do because I always have alternative girls I can hook up with.SH.[/QUOTE]

I have all the other girls I can find time for. But I do have one special one. You just have to play their game. It's what they think is normal.

There is no end to what they will ask for. You have to be clear about how much money is available. If they can't accept that then is it you who is not taking her seriously or is it her using you for a mark?

[QUOTE=FiveAces;1604547]There is no end to what they will ask for. You have to be clear about how much money is available. If they can't accept that then is it you who is not taking her seriously or is it her using you for a mark?[/QUOTE]True enough there is no end to what they will ask for. And limits must be set. Each of us has a limited amount of money that we are willing to spend on them. Personally, I am not a gifter. I prefer to enjoy my time eating and drinking whilst treating the ladies with respect (and create a little romance). The p2 p girls I associate with respond well to this approach.

What I really prefer are my freebies that offer to pay for me when we go out.

SH.

[QUOTE=FiveAces;1604313]{S N I P} We think we are abused but this is nothing compared with a Chinese business man who has to buy shao titi an apartment, car and Gucci bag.[/QUOTE]What is a [I]shao titi[/I]? Is this a Shanghai expression? Is it similar to [I]èr nǎi ( 二 奶 )[/I]?

Can you provide the Chinese characters?

Cheers.

[QUOTE=Ikksman;1604561]What is a [I]shao titi[/I]? Is this a Shanghai expression? Is it similar to [I]r nǎi ( 二 奶 )[/I]?

Can you provide the Chinese characters?

Cheers.[/QUOTE]NO, it is your dick.

[QUOTE=Ikksman;1604561]What is a [I]shao titi[/I]? Is this a Shanghai expression? Is it similar to [I]r nǎi ( 二 奶 )[/I]?

Can you provide the Chinese characters?

Cheers.[/QUOTE]I'm guessing he meant Xiao Tai Tai - 小 太 太; which is indeed like er nai.

Jude Bright, your dick is xiao didi and not many men shower their dicks with Gucci bags. Even in Shanghai!

[QUOTE=MothToFlames;1604876]I'm guessing he meant Xiao Tai Tai - 小 太 太; which is indeed like er nai.

Jude Bright, your dick is xiao didi and not many men shower their dicks with Gucci bags. Even in Shanghai![/QUOTE]Thanks MTF. [I]Xiǎo tàitài[/I] is indeed new for me. I did not think that it was my little brother! Haha!

Cheers.

[QUOTE=Ikksman;1604561]What is a [I]shao titi[/I]? Cheers.[/QUOTE]

Sorry for causing confusion. Yes, Moth To Flames what I meant was xiǎo tàitài. This means a kept mistress.

[QUOTE=MothToFlames;1604876]I'm guessing he meant Xiao Tai Tai - 小 太 太; which is indeed like er nai.

Jude Bright, your dick is xiao didi and not many men shower their dicks with Gucci bags. Even in Shanghai![/QUOTE]小 太 太 does not have to mean "er nai". It may simply mean your only legal wife, but much younger than you.

JB.

[QUOTE=JudeBright;1605261]小 太 太 does not have to mean "er nai". It may simply mean your only legal wife, but much younger than you.

JB.[/QUOTE]Is [I]Xiǎo tàitài[/I] commonly used in North China to mean a young wife?

Cheers.

[QUOTE=Ikksman;1605305]Is [I]Xiǎo titi[/I] commonly used in North China to mean a young wife?

Cheers.[/QUOTE]It does have double means, young wife or the younger wife.

Jb.

[QUOTE=JudeBright;1605309]It does have double means, young wife or the younger wife.

Jb.[/QUOTE]Being in Sth China, I am only familiar with the terms [I]xiǎo sān[/I] and [I]èr nǎi[/I], and even then I am unsure of the exact difference in their usage. I suspect that the [I]xiǎo sān[/I] is not necessarily a 100% kept woman, but rather a woman having an affair with a married man.

And now I have [I]xiǎo tàitài[/I] as well to learn!

Cheers.

[QUOTE=JudeBright;1605261]小 太 太 does not have to mean "er nai". It may simply mean your only legal wife, but much younger than you.

JB.[/QUOTE]Right, a perfect example will be Nobel laureate Dr. Yang of Tsinghua University in Beijing.

He married his 28 year old assistant when he was 82.

[QUOTE=Carage;1605536]Right, a perfect example will be Nobel laureate Dr. Yang of Tsinghua University in Beijing.

He married his 28 year old assistant when he was 82.[/QUOTE]What does this discussion have to do with finding a sex partner in Shanghai?

[QUOTE=Beijing4987;1605733]What does this discussion have to do with finding a sex partner in Shanghai?[/QUOTE]Apparently someone believes finding the proper meaning of Xiao Tai Tai (Xiaotiti) has relevance on this board as demonstrated on this page.

And if anyone tends to seek a Chinese working girl as a long time partner there are social perception issues to be considered.

Some of these social labels will be part of the conversation.

I doubt any monger can live well for long if they are completely oblivious of the local language and the phrases used to describe them in the native tongue.

[QUOTE=Beijing4987;1605733]What does this discussion have to do with finding a sex partner in Shanghai?[/QUOTE]If you believe that learning to understand the language and culture is irrelevant to the purpose of this forum, then I suggest that you contact Jackson and put forward your argument for banning these discussions.

I do appreciate that this discussion should theoretically be on the Chinese Words & Phrases thread. However, I started the discussion here because I could not understand a post on this thread. I did not know the pinyin used and it proved to be incorrectly spelt. But even then I had not encountered the usage of the term. So, I also thought that it might be a term unique to Shanghai or Northern China.

Reasonably frequently, a discussion topic will broaden and technically should be transferred to another thread. Also, it is not uncommon for a post to refer to another place for reference or comparison. Thus, there are short discussions of SZ on the DG thread and vice versa etc, etc. When these events occur, members usually gracefully accept the slight OT nature of the discussion, as long as it does not continue interminably, and is relevant to our hobby.

And typically, if a poster does attempt to transfer a discussion to another thread, the discussion usually dies, or, still continues on the original thread.

Thanks for your patience.

And now back to our regularly scheduled programming.

Did a QQ girl a few weeks ago. Wasn't particularly memorable, so wouldn't RTF. Yesterday, came across another QQ girl who gave me the same physical address for our session. QQ account different, photos different, phone different, so I decided to go ahead with it anyway because I've seen WL share the same trick pad and some lived in the same building.

Anyway, opened the door and it's the same girl from a few weeks ago. Was there and horny, so I did her anyway. Service was a little better, but I won't RTF (again!

So, in future, if I suspect I'm being worked by the same girl I'll ask for C2 C, or just try another girl. Way too many choices here to ever do the same one twice unless she's a real gem.

Hey Mike,

I've been really curious about QQ girls lately. Is that just the name still but you're hitting them up on WeChat, or are they actually still on QQ? Also, is this your own personal batch or are you finding them somewhere. All of the QQ girls I find with my own research seem to be really old listings. Any insight you can provide would be helpful.

Thanks man!

What's the deal with the Merrylin in Pudong these days? It seems to have deteriorated somewhat. I visited recently on a Friday afternoon and was not offered a choice of girls. Instead, a mammasan with a headset asked me what type of girl I wanted and from then on it was a case of 'take it or leave it'. Admittedly, the girl who showed up was reasonably entertaining. Moderately busty and fairly up for fun. However, at RMB 900 a punt I think some choice would be appropriate, and has been offered in the past.

Anyhow, the girl in question, Wang Ting (number 876, from Harbin), was okay although she hardly offered a GFE. It was very much a 'tick-box' session, with very little spontaneity. In some ways, her name said it all. I was left WanTing more. I think the quality of saunas / spas in Shanghai, and elsewhere, are very much down to house style and how mammasans coach their girls. Some places offer fantastic service and truly memorable experiences, whereas others are very much standardised, relatively anodyne experiences.

Merrylin seems not to be friendly to foreigners anymore. Be 4 great experience, not anymore. There must be a way to make places more friendly to foreigners? Same problem at Bodi, not all the time but now more and more! Maybe picking one place and many foreigners going there? Not sure what answer is? Do not want to cause problems for them be because do not think that would work, they would just shut foreigners out more? Maybe it's the old, ugly NGO's at it again as they have in other country's? Not sure, would like feedback!

[QUOTE=Mcwilliam3;1608872]Merrylin seems not to be friendly to foreigners anymore. Be 4 great experience, not anymore. There must be a way to make places more friendly to foreigners? Same problem at Bodi, not all the time but now more and more! Maybe picking one place and many foreigners going there? Not sure what answer is? Do not want to cause problems for them be because do not think that would work, they would just shut foreigners out more? Maybe it's the old, ugly NGO's at it again as they have in other country's? Not sure, would like feedback![/QUOTE]Do you mean NGOs from Western countries, or Chinese ones like the ACWF?

I find it highly unlikely that Western NGOs would be permitted to "disrupt social order" in China. I think that they would be imprisoned, fined and deported before they had time to make their first report.

And, if NGOs were interested in what happens in China, we would be reading their ill-informed messages on this forum (as happens in PI forum from time to time; one such poster was Matthew Cobb).

Just my POV.

[QUOTE=Piaculum;1608040]Hey Mike,

I've been really curious about QQ girls lately. Is that just the name still but you're hitting them up on WeChat, or are they actually still on QQ? Also, is this your own personal batch or are you finding them somewhere. All of the QQ girls I find with my own research seem to be really old listings. Any insight you can provide would be helpful.

Thanks man![/QUOTE]Hey bro,

I don't use Weixin to contact the girls for the reasons you stated. Since the search on QQ itself is pretty limited, I usually search on Baidu, then contact them via QQ. If only the phone number is available, then do a Baidu search on the phone number which will usually turn up a QQ number if they are WL. Really hit and miss, well, mostly miss as I don't speak or read Mandarin very well.

Good luck!

At the crossing Changning / Loushanguan Lu there are several massage shops. The one on the Loushanguan which I used to go for a while changed the decoration and the girls too and is now pure ligit. In the past I could get everything there. But the massage is still good. 90 min oil massage for 288 rmb.

If you go toward chingnang road and then turn left you see 4-5 massage shops. My experience: in the middle one the massage is miserable 1 h for 240. The girl offered BBBC for 400 but settled on 200. Nothing to talk about.

I went last week to the last shop of this group. I went for 90 min (318 rmb). A line up of 6-6 girls all in short black skirt and white shirt. I went for a tall one, mid 20 I think. She started with back massage using hot towels first after 5 min she stared using oil. Excellend strong massage. Then she moved to the lower part. She sat between my legs while I was still on my belly and started a wonderful butt, balls and cock massage. Top down so to speak. A great feeling. After flipping she started with the chest and I started roaming everywhere. No objection!

She gave me to understand (no English) HJ is ok but nothing more. We agreed on 200 rmb. She put off everything. Beautiful body, firm boobs and sexy small butt. The HJ took around 10 min stop and go while I touched the young body everywhere. After finishing she cleaned carefully my cock and used my sperm as oil for belly massage, very funny.

Back to the desk the mammasan asked me with a big smile on her face if it was good massage. Of course it was.

Back again soon for sure.

At the crossing Changning / Loushanguan Lu there are several massage shops. The one on the Loushanguan which I used to go for a while changed the decoration and the girls too and is now pure ligit. In the past I could get everything there. But the massage is still good. 90 min oil massage for 288 rmb.

If you go toward chingnang road and then turn left you see 4-5 massage shops. My experience: in the middle one the massage is miserable 1 h for 240. The girl offered BBBC for 400 but settled on 200. Nothing to talk about.

I went last week to the last shop of this group. I went for 90 min (318 rmb). A line up of 6-6 girls all in short black skirt and white shirt. I went for a tall one, mid 20 I think. She started with back massage using hot towels first after 5 min she stared using oil. Excellend strong massage. Then she moved to the lower part. She sat between my legs while I was still on my belly and started a wonderful butt, balls and cock massage. Top down so to speak. A great feeling. After flipping she started with the chest and I started roaming everywhere. No objection!

She gave me to understand (no English) HJ is ok but nothing more. We agreed on 200 rmb. She put off everything. Beautiful body, firm boobs and sexy small butt. The HJ took around 10 min stop and go while I touched the young body everywhere. After finishing she cleaned carefully my cock and used my sperm as oil for belly massage, very funny.

Back to the desk the mammasan asked me with a big smile on her face if it was good massage. Of course it was.

Back again soon for sure.

Sarawak.

Are you going south on Loushanguan towards Yuping Rd? Are the 4-5 MPs in an alley to the left or on Chingnang Road after you turn left. Is there a street number on your favorite MP there?

[QUOTE=ShangHangin;1604519]... When girls start asking for gifts, I generally just ignore it. Ignoring their request is easy to do because I always have alternative girls I can hook up with. I never let any girl think that they are an exclusive. This way they have to play to my favor rather than the opposite way around. I keep a mix of working girls and freebies thus I've got variety.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=ShangHangin;1604559]What I really prefer are my freebies that offer to pay for me when we go out.[/QUOTE]I'm relatively new to Shanghai, still trying to figure out the scene. I'm curious, where and how do you meet "freebies" who put out, but don't expect anything exclusive and still offer to pay for your drinks? And how do you maintain those relationships? Or are these cases where the girls expect to become your exclusive eventually despite what you tell them, dreaming of marriage, moving abroad etc. And you kinda string them along until it inevitably breaks? Not judging, really just curious how you do it.

Also, you obviously don't have to answer, but I assume there is no significant other in your life, right? Otherwise, do your freebies know about her? Are they cool with it? Are you worried that they may start harassing your so, turn her against you, hoping to replace her?

[QUOTE=Piaculum;1608040]Hey Mike,

I've been really curious about QQ girls lately. Is that just the name still but you're hitting them up on WeChat, or are they actually still on QQ? Also, is this your own personal batch or are you finding them somewhere. All of the QQ girls I find with my own research seem to be really old listings. Any insight you can provide would be helpful.

Thanks man![/QUOTE]Try [URL]www.shlf1314.net[/URL] Not personally sampled, but some of the cuties (about 25%) will service foreigners. Or so they say.

Almost none of these QQ girls speak / read / write English. If you can't chat in Mandarin (in my opinion) forget it.

Bruvvers who can't speak or read / write Mandarin who "score" might like to let all the other bruvvers know.

Just my experience. Sadly, now I am not in China.

Enjoy and report.

P13.

Hey all!

Anyone have any advice on where to find "model" escorts? 8's, 9's, 10's.

-outcall to my hotel room only.

-no hooker bars, BJ bars, saunas, barber shops, etc.

-preferably a site with photos.

I'm more about quality quantity.

Few more quick questions:

-are most hotels in Shanghai girl friendly? (4,5 star hotels).

-obviously there will always be risk. But has anyone tried "model / premium" escorts bareback?

Thanks ahead of time for any advice / tips!

Hey all!

Anyone have any advice on where to find "model" escorts? 8's, 9's, 10's.

-outcall to my hotel room only.

-no hooker bars, BJ bars, saunas, barber shops, etc.

-preferably a site with photos.

I'm more about quality quantity.

Few more quick questions:

-are most hotels in Shanghai girl friendly? (4,5 star hotels).

-obviously there will always be risk. But has anyone tried "model / premium" escorts bareback?

Thanks ahead of time for any advice.

Contact Former Attorney General of New York. He paid $3,000 but was caught and ha passport was tagged.

There's a nice little place in north Jing'An, at the intersection of Yuyao road, Xikang road and Changping Road. In that 'triangle' block, there are 3 massage places and one bar (plus board games?) cramped into the end of a big compound. You won't miss it. Lots of neon lights and signs outside.

I've been going to that place consistently for the last 6 months. 400 RMB for full service. Girls are gorgeous, gigantic boobs, and if you become a regular, you'll most likely end up getting some extra attention. The place is very safe, and has 2 alternative exits. I had to use one alt exit once, since there seemed to be trouble with LE a few months ago.

Anyway. Give that a try. You don't need to speak mandarin. I don't, at all, and have been pretty successful at pounding all the 7 girls there. I rarely see other foreigners.

Quick report from last weekend:

I arrived at 1 am. Walked in the place and there were 3 girls and 1 dude playing cards. Girls were dressed nicely as always. The one that opened the glass door for me was new, so I immediately asked her to service me.

In this place you walk downstairs, where she opens a door that remains locked at all times, from there you walk into an area with 3 small rooms. Each one with a bed, shower, mirrors everywhere and a sofa. It's kinda awkward / hot sometimes since you hear other girls moaning in the contiguous rooms. Luckily for me I was the only one. Through one of the 'alt exits' I could hear Chinese people talking loudly, cheering. Most likely playing some sort of board games or cards, or god knows what. This place is actually next to a bar / board games venue, so it's all connected.

I get in the shower, the girls prepares the 'room' and light, and when I get out, I put my money on the table (you have to show it to them beforehand). I waved extra $200 RMB at her. She knew I was going to ask for something extra, and she seemed to agree on that gesture.

Regular stuff. Rimming, sucking, titty playing. Condom goes on and she starts riding me. We switch back and forth a couple of times. After some time, I go for what I came: The ass. I ask her a ccouple of times and she seemed to don't like the idea. I pushed a bit more and she agreed to try, but as soon as the little guy went in a couple of centimeters, she pushed me back and was clearly uncomfortable with it. I didn't insist, so, no tip.

We kept going and going until I couldn't keep my load anymore and asked her for CIM with a gesture. She went on her fours on the bed, I stood up, and blew my load inside her, from a couple of inches of distance. Part of the load bounced on her lips. Hot stuff.

That was it. Great service.

The only awkward part was when she wanted to kiss me right after having my load in her mouth. Uugh.

[QUOTE=Phazze93;1612663]Hey all!

Anyone have any advice on where to find "model" escorts? 8's, 9's, 10's.

-outcall to my hotel room only.

-no hooker bars, BJ bars, saunas, barber shops, etc.

-preferably a site with photos.

I'm more about quality quantity.

Few more quick questions:

-are most hotels in Shanghai girl friendly? (4,5 star hotels).

-obviously there will always be risk. But has anyone tried "model / premium" escorts bareback?

Thanks ahead of time for any advice / tips![/QUOTE]You can start Googling "Shanghai escorts".

Backpage and Classified. ChinaDaily are good places to start.

There are obvious websites that cater to foreigners (You'll notice when you see the entire site is written in English).

I can't attest to the quality of any of these though some of the pictures in the advertisements are highly misleading.

[QUOTE=Carage;1613275]You can start Googling "Shanghai escorts".

Backpage and Classified. ChinaDaily are good places to start.

There are obvious websites that cater to foreigners (You'll notice when you see the entire site is written in English).

I can't attest to the quality of any of these though some of the pictures in the advertisements are highly misleading.[/QUOTE]Yeah. I was really hoping for any "insider" advice haha. Like. How a Chinese person would find premium escorts, (since the only way that I know is google. Which is bound to yield all English / foreigner sites).

I'm just afraid of misleading pictures / profiles.

At Beijing4987,

He's caucasian and hes a somebody. I'm asian (Chinese / taiwanese) and I'm only 22 haha.

[QUOTE=XikangLu;1613256]There's a nice little place in north Jing'An, at the intersection of Yuyao road, Xikang road and Changping Road. In that 'triangle' block, there are 3 massage places and one bar (plus board games?) cramped into the end of a big compound. You won't miss it. Lots of neon lights and signs outside.

I've been going to that place consistently for the last 6 months. 400 RMB for full service. Girls are gorgeous, gigantic boobs, and if you become a regular, you'll most likely end up getting some extra attention. The place is very safe, and has 2 alternative exits. I had to use one alt exit once, since there seemed to be trouble with LE a few months ago.

Anyway. Give that a try. You don't need to speak mandarin. I don't, at all, and have been pretty successful at pounding all the 7 girls there. I rarely see other foreigners.

Quick report from last weekend:

I arrived at 1 am. Walked in the place and there were 3 girls and 1 dude playing cards. Girls were dressed nicely as always. The one that opened the glass door for me was new, so I immediately asked her to service me.

In this place you walk downstairs, where she opens a door that remains locked at all times, from there you walk into an area with 3 small rooms. Each one with a bed, shower, mirrors everywhere and a sofa. It's kinda awkward / hot sometimes since you hear other girls moaning in the contiguous rooms. Luckily for me I was the only one. Through one of the 'alt exits' I could hear Chinese people talking loudly, cheering. Most likely playing some sort of board games or cards, or god knows what. This place is actually next to a bar / board games venue, so it's all connected.

I get in the shower, the girls prepares the 'room' and light, and when I get out, I put my money on the table (you have to show it to them beforehand). I waved extra $200 RMB at her. She knew I was going to ask for something extra, and she seemed to agree on that gesture.

Regular stuff. Rimming, sucking, titty playing. Condom goes on and she starts riding me. We switch back and forth a couple of times. After some time, I go for what I came: The ass. I ask her a ccouple of times and she seemed to don't like the idea. I pushed a bit more and she agreed to try, but as soon as the little guy went in a couple of centimeters, she pushed me back and was clearly uncomfortable with it. I didn't insist, so, no tip.

We kept going and going until I couldn't keep my load anymore and asked her for CIM with a gesture. She went on her fours on the bed, I stood up, and blew my load inside her, from a couple of inches of distance. Part of the load bounced on her lips. Hot stuff.

That was it. Great service.

The only awkward part was when she wanted to kiss me right after having my load in her mouth. Uugh.[/QUOTE]No offence intended but what you mean with triangle Yuyao / Xikang and Changpin road? I know this area let me say rather well and would dare to claim that includes most of the entertainment venues there but I cannot picture what you mean. Yuyao road ends when it meets Xikang and Changpin is south of that intersection so there is no triangle as such. Would you mind clarifying the location? Is it the bar or which of the three MP you have to enter?

Hey all,

Quick question.

For most independent escorts, is MSOG implied / offered? Especially if you pay for longer sessions?

Thanks

[QUOTE=LurKing;1612459]I'm relatively new to Shanghai, still trying to figure out the scene. I'm curious, where and how do you meet "freebies" who put out, but don't expect anything exclusive and still offer to pay for your drinks? And how do you maintain those relationships? Or are these cases where the girls expect to become your exclusive eventually despite what you tell them, dreaming of marriage, moving abroad etc. And you kinda string them along until it inevitably breaks? Not judging, really just curious how you do it.

Also, you obviously don't have to answer, but I assume there is no significant other in your life, right? Otherwise, do your freebies know about her? Are they cool with it? Are you worried that they may start harassing your so, turn her against you, hoping to replace her?[/QUOTE]That's a lot of questions. I've been in SH for many years. And yes, I have a sig other. But there is a population of professional women in their early 30's that are good fun, enjoy life, work hard and make money, have their own apartment, and like to shag. All my ladies know I'm married. I never hide it, usually drop it early to see the reaction. If they can't deal with it, that's their problem. I just had dinner with one the other night, then back to her place, and I'm home by midnight. It was a "business dinner".

I never promise anything, we just go out and have fun together, good conversation, and enjoy each other's company. Not physical every time we meet. Sometimes just a coffee during the week, a quick Hello, on wechat, or a couple of weeks of no contact.

I have met them at the usual places. Any reasonable club or bar that has a mix of expats and locals. Sometime it can be out shopping. I like to talk to people, so it's easy to get a conversation started when I'm out with friends. I make the initial contact, not expecting to take them home the first night. I cultivate the relationship over time. I guess I would characterize the relationships as a friendships. These are ladies I like hanging out with.

Good luck.

SH.

[QUOTE=Piaculum;1602571]Hey guys,

Long time lurker here. Moved to Shanghai a while back from the states and just got my first massage here ever. Living in the Jing'an area, and remembered driving past an alley off Wanhangdu Lu that had a big "Massage" sign. Finally went to check it out.

It was around 9:30 pm last Saturday. There was a woman at the front desk who, after asking if I wanted a massage lead me to a room. She then straight up said, it's 350 RMB for a hand job or 450 RMB for a blow job. Having no idea if that was expensive or not (but knowing it was cheap compared to the states either way), I opted for the blow job. She brought a girl in a few minutes later and asked if she was OK. She was fairly skinny, decent face. All in all not bad. I said she was great and then the mama-san left and the girl asked me to shower. After showering and laying down she came in and started rubbing me down. She was very quiet but knew exactly what she was doing. Started teasing while I was still face down and then began to clean my. Ahem. Bottom. Really really well. She then proceeded to rim me for a good minute or two. I'm actually not even sure if I was into it or not, but I was definitely surprised, so I let her do her thing. Afterwards she asked me to flip and then I started to move my hands around on her while she massaged my front. I slowly started rubbing her down below and she asked if I wanted to "have that too". I asked how much and she said 500 RMB. I told her I didn't have enough so she said I could use a credit card out front. I said thanks but it was just too much money, so she asked how much I would pay. I said 300 RMB and then she just took her panties off! She climbed on top and we went at it. We moved around to four different positions before I popped. She was very very good.

All told the night cost me 750 RMB. I'm assuming I overpaid, but I had a great time and it was still $100-200 cheaper than the states!

So, of course my big questions.

1) Did I get hosed?

2) If I wanted to do this on the regular (1/ week or month), are there places in Jing'an or should I shop around a bit more. I'm not looking for any sort of out call. I'm more of a get in get out kind of guy. Honestly, looks aren't super important to me either, I just have needs, if you know what I mean.

I've tried searching the forums, but it's touch to find neighborhood specific information (unless I'm missing something. If so let me know, I'm willing to do the work myself!

Anyway, nice to meet everyone![/QUOTE]Piaculum.

Please join so we can send you a Private Message. I'm curious about that girl and the new menu at that MP.

BJ.

I just got back from Sh. Got a couple tales to tell. It is a late night so just one now.

I was out for a walk and came across this place just up the street from the infamous wanhangang lu alley. The front is a glass door in a bad need of a cleaning. The red lit sign over head has a lot of Chinese and the word Mashajii (or something like that- you know it is massage). There were 2 cute girls (7) and one (5) other. They told me the rate was 100 rmb for the massage. I figured WTH.

This is not the place to go for massage. It is kinda dirty, she made a feeble attempt to rub my chest. She pulled up her shirt and let me play with hers. After a few minutes HJ was offerred for 100 rmb. I think you coudl be BJ and FS there for 200-300 but I really don't know. It just felt almost like a BBS. Low end, dirty, quick deeds.

Anyway, she did the deed, cleaned me up and left the towels with my spent waste on the floor as we headed out. (iguess she comes back as their were no others but you know...)
I prefer places a little higher end than this. If you are into an adventure and want to see if there is more there for sale give it a shot and report back.

As stated in the title, it was a little like dumpster diving but it was fun once and the girls were cute. The number was either 427 or 429 but that will get you close.

if nothing else, it was quick in and out and a HJ /roaming for the price of what you usually get hit up for a tip.

See if you can find it, Sam Can.

Hey all,

So I'm heading to Shanghai soon and thinking about hitting Manhattan's. Some questions:

First, I would think that the girls there are like STD magnets. Anyone ever have any issues there? Anything to look for and avoid on that front while talking to the girls there? Obv. Keep everything covered, but do you guys DATY these randoms from the pickup bars?

Also- anyone know any inexpensive, girl friendly, 4-star (ish) places near Manhattan's? I'm going to take a room just for this excursion. Thanks for the help!!

Contact Cathy.

[URL]www.cathybeauty.wix.com/catghy[/URL]

All you want!

[QUOTE=Phazze93;1614003]Hey all,

Quick question.

For most independent escorts, is MSOG implied / offered? Especially if you pay for longer sessions?

Thanks[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Tomcruz;1614932]Hey all,

So I'm heading to Shanghai soon and thinking about hitting Manhattan's. Some questions:


Also- anyone know any inexpensive, girl friendly, 4-star (ish) places near Manhattan's? I'm going to take a room just for this excursion. Thanks for the help!![/QUOTE]The shanghai hilton is an easy walk to Manhattans and a cheap taxi back (with girl). They have installed key card access in the elevators so no one can go up without the key card. They have since gotten much more girl friendly. (there are hookers now hanging out in the lobby on Friday night!

They used to have a 6' Chinese guy at the door directing you to have your girl sign in with you. Since the key card access, they are much more relaxed. I guess the key card shows that if you bring a girl to your room, it is on you.

As far as the other stuff? Assume the risks are there and stay safe.

Sam can.

[QUOTE=SamCan;1614970]The shanghai hilton is an easy walk to Manhattans and a cheap taxi back (with girl). They have installed key card access in the elevators so no one can go up without the key card. They have since gotten much more girl friendly. (there are hookers now hanging out in the lobby on Friday night!

They used to have a 6' Chinese guy at the door directing you to have your girl sign in with you. Since the key card access, they are much more relaxed. I guess the key card shows that if you bring a girl to your room, it is on you.

As far as the other stuff? Assume the risks are there and stay safe.

Sam can.[/QUOTE]This is all assuming you only book a hotel room with a max capacity of 1 adult right? If you book a room for 2 adults. Can't you have the girl come pick up the 2nd key at the front desk?

I've been looking around for a while now and the only thing I can find are classifieds and agencies / sites catered to foreigners.

Anyone have any advice at this point? Just looking for a site to find outcall girls where there are at least some real pictures.

[QUOTE=Phazze93;1615001]This is all assuming you only book a hotel room with a max capacity of 1 adult right? If you book a room for 2 adults. Can't you have the girl come pick up the 2nd key at the front desk?[/QUOTE]I have checked in as a single adult and asked for 2 keys no problem. I, however, would not give a girl I don't know a key to my room. My point is you can walk in with her at your side, walk to the elevator and let her in with you.

What can't happen is girls going up the elevator alone and knock on hotel guest's doors.

I went to the corner of my favorite street and went to Shaanxi Lu. The infamous 18 was out of town so I asked to try another. They gave me girl 8. A thin / pretty girl from guang zhou.

The did the usual routine, but instead of the warm wet thing in her mouth, she stuck her tongue in my ear and licked my body. Rubbed her breast across my body. When it came time she went to give me a BBBJ without a wait. I asked for a condom which she did not have. I had brought my own. It was a good time. I gave her a 100 rmb tip. She was surprised so I guess no tip is necessary or usual.

Best deal around, Massage, BBBJ, full roaming. 268 rmb. No tip if you choose.

[QUOTE=Phazze93;1615007]I've been looking around for a while now and the only thing I can find are classifieds and agencies / sites catered to foreigners.

Anyone have any advice at this point? Just looking for a site to find outcall girls where there are at least some real pictures.[/QUOTE]I suggest you don't go that route. You'll end up getting ripped off. With a high possibility of bait and switch. Recommend a sauna for reliable service. Saunas are still in operation in Shanghai. Sigh.

[QUOTE=Stinkyfeet;1615282]I suggest you don't go that route. You'll end up getting ripped off. With a high possibility of bait and switch. Recommend a sauna for reliable service. Saunas are still in operation in Shanghai. Sigh.[/QUOTE]I replied to a classified and I ended up talking to her on wechat (in Chinese) and she sent me photo that was clearly fake.

I asked if she could take a picture while holding a card with my name on it and then send it to me, but she refused and insisted that the picture she sent me was real.

When I google the picture, it comes up all over the place on other escort sites and regions.

Sigh. This is so frustrating. I don't want to go to saunas or any incall locations. I simply want outcall only. Discretion and privacy are very important to me.

But nevertheless, I appreciate the suggestion. Any other advice on how I could find real outcall girls would be greatly appreciated. I have about a week before I get to Shanghaio.

Helen and Rain have real girl pictures.

[QUOTE=Phazze93;1615007]I've been looking around for a while now and the only thing I can find are classifieds and agencies / sites catered to foreigners.

Anyone have any advice at this point? Just looking for a site to find outcall girls where there are at least some real pictures.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Marty47;1615340]Helen and Rain have real girl pictures.[/QUOTE]Ah. Yea I've seen those sites before. Thanks but the girls there are a bit too old for me hahaha. And not hot.

I'm in my early 20's, so hiring an escort older than me is a little awkward.

In the meantime I'm going to keep looking. Hopefully I can try to convince one of them to show me a real picture.

The last girl on chinadaily I contacted was a bit of a hassle. Luckily I speak pretty good Mandarin.

1- replied to classified.

2- got email reply with fake photo attached.

3- chatted on wechat to ask for more photos.

4- finally got a 2nd photo (much more genuine but coulda been pulled from any facebook / social network profile).

5- told me to contact her again once I arrive in Shanghai.

Anyone know if this site is legit?

[URL]http://www.shanghaihotescorts.com/[/URL]

At the bottom it has a legend:

Green check= verified picture.

Gold star= premium companion (no idea what this means).

I was able to find 1 "verified" girl with repetitive posts on multiple sites.

[URL]http://shanghai.escortfind.com/escort-girls/susu-4584.html[/URL]

[URL]http://www.shanghaihotescorts.com/shanghai-escort-girl.asp?id=20[/URL]

Anyone heard of Susu before?

[QUOTE=Tomcruz;1614932]Hey all,

So I'm heading to Shanghai soon and thinking about hitting Manhattan's. Some questions:

First, I would think that the girls there are like STD magnets. Anyone ever have any issues there? Anything to look for and avoid on that front while talking to the girls there? Obv. Keep everything covered, but do you guys DATY these randoms from the pickup bars?

Also- anyone know any inexpensive, girl friendly, 4-star (ish) places near Manhattan's? I'm going to take a room just for this excursion. Thanks for the help!![/QUOTE]There is no hard and fast rule. And no, at least at Manhattan and Judy's, I have never had STD problem. But its a roll of a dice.

Writing this at 3 am so bear with me on any grammar or spelling mistakes.

Been out of the game for a while, since I've been busy with freebies and gfs, but recently found myself single and in Shanghai for a few days. First time trying my hand in SH, but after RTFF, decided to check out the massage place many members have been talking about on Shaanxi Rd / Changping Rd.

Got to the intersection, but really didn't know which place it was. There was an Alldays convenience store, beside that looked like a legitimate massage place with arm chairs on the right and many locals getting their feet massaged. But a door or two down was another massage place. It was really dark with no lit up signs. Went in, and there was a counter directly opposite the door and a couch to the left. A few guys were sitting there and one got up and told they didn't have power or water for the night and would not be providing service. Bummer, but question for more senior members is did I go into the right place? If so, I'll try again another night. If it wasn't, can anyone give more detailed directions?

Well, it was only around 10:30 pm, so got a cab and went down to Xintiandi. Hounded right away by many guys asking if I wanted a girl both in English and Chinese, which is weird since being a CBC, I look quite Chinese! Politely declined and went inside Paulaner. A few girls working but none that caught my eye. Bought a beer and sat outside wechating friends and such. Didn't even finish my first beer yet when I was approached by a Chinese girl. Said her name was Tina, 27 from Sichuan. Not a stunner but quite good looking. She was hanging out with another girl with short hair whom I never got her name. Friend left and got down to business right away and negotiated 1500 LT.

Took her back to my hotel near Jing'an, showered together, followed by BBBJ and multiple positions. After resting a bit, little guy was back up for Round 2, started with some DFK, massaging and then followed by another BBBJ. Was pretty tired so blew my second load CIM. A little chit chat afterwards and I suggested that maybe she might want to go home instead which she happily obliged. Tired from traveling today so want the bed for myself and it's unlikely I would have been up for another round in the morning since I have an early start. Paid her the agreed upon amount and she was out the door.

All in all, pretty good experience. I negotiated LT but she only stayed a few hours but did get multiple shots and I did ask her to leave, so not complaining at all. Will try the massage place again and post a report.

Just wondering, has anyone tried the European that regularly posts on CL under casual encounters? Says she's 31, and quotes 1500 for an hour? Would love to hear from anyone that's tried her. And also, any info about where I can find western SP?

Thanks in advance.

[QUOTE=Phazze93;1615317]I replied to a classified and I ended up talking to her on wechat (in Chinese) and she sent me photo that was clearly fake.

I asked if she could take a picture while holding a card with my name on it and then send it to me, but she refused and insisted that the picture she sent me was real.

When I google the picture, it comes up all over the place on other escort sites and regions.

Sigh. This is so frustrating. I don't want to go to saunas or any incall locations. I simply want outcall only. Discretion and privacy are very important to me.

But nevertheless, I appreciate the suggestion. Any other advice on how I could find real outcall girls would be greatly appreciated. I have about a week before I get to Shanghaio.[/QUOTE]Pm me your wechat. I'll give you a hot contact.

[QUOTE=BeijingCbc;1615444]Writing this at 3 am so bear with me on any grammar or spelling mistakes.

Been out of the game for a while, since I've been busy with freebies and gfs, but recently found myself single and in Shanghai for a few days. First time trying my hand in SH, but after RTFF, decided to check out the massage place many members have been talking about on Shaanxi Rd / Changping Rd.

Got to the intersection, but really didn't know which place it was. There was an Alldays convenience store, beside that looked like a legitimate massage place with arm chairs on the right and many locals getting their feet massaged. But a door or two down was another massage place. It was really dark with no lit up signs. Went in, and there was a counter directly opposite the door and a couch to the left. A few guys were sitting there and one got up and told they didn't have power or water for the night and would not be providing service. Bummer, but question for more senior members is did I go into the right place? If so, I'll try again another night. If it wasn't, can anyone give more detailed directions?

[/QUOTE]You were at the right place. They have these issues sometimes, happened to me too. But the famous Buddha place and many other options are very near, why go to Xintiandi?

Better luck next time.

Fa.

[QUOTE=Stinkyfeet;1615494]Pm me your wechat. I'll give you a hot contact.[/QUOTE]I'm not a premium user. But this is a wechat I setup on my PC specifically for privacy / being anonymous.

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[QUOTE=FernandoAlonso;1615506]You were at the right place. They have these issues sometimes, happened to me too. But the famous Buddha place and many other options are very near, why go to Xintiandi?

Better luck next time.

Fa.[/QUOTE]Ok cool, so I was in the right place, will definitely check it out again.

Unfortunately didn't do enough research to know of the surrounding places, but thanks for the heads up, will look up Buddha and others.

[QUOTE=Tomcruz;1614932]Hey all,

So I'm heading to Shanghai soon and thinking about hitting Manhattan's. Some questions:

First, I would think that the girls there are like STD magnets. Anyone ever have any issues there? Anything to look for and avoid on that front while talking to the girls there? Obv. Keep everything covered, but do you guys DATY these randoms from the pickup bars?

Also- anyone know any inexpensive, girl friendly, 4-star (ish) places near Manhattan's? I'm going to take a room just for this excursion. Thanks for the help!![/QUOTE]You can check out the Rayfont Hongqiao Hotel. It's around 18 RMB taxi fare from Manhattan in nighttime, and if you can get a "suite", than it's a great deal! Don't book a normal room (around 360 RMB), because their normal rooms are small and lousy, but their suits (around 75 to 90 sqm) are around 430 RMB a night, with very big bedrooms (at least 45 sqm), 5 star hotel styled bed, TV and so on. Perfect for a good time with a pickup!

Enjoy your trip,

Steven

Hello all,

Just moved to Shanghai, and wanted to say hi. Hope to be able to participate here.

I'm not a frequent attendee at any of the sex places, but do like to indulge once in awhile.

I'm actually quite careful when frequenting special venues and really only look for quality. So I will most likely start with saunas first.

Lots of good info here, and will try to share with everyone on my experiences.

Cheers,

Rex

[QUOTE=Phazze93;1615362]Ah. Yea I've seen those sites before. Thanks but the girls there are a bit too old for me hahaha. And not hot.

I'm in my early 20's, so hiring an escort older than me is a little awkward.

In the meantime I'm going to keep looking. Hopefully I can try to convince one of them to show me a real picture.

The last girl on chinadaily I contacted was a bit of a hassle. Luckily I speak pretty good Mandarin.

1- replied to classified.

2- got email reply with fake photo attached.

3- chatted on wechat to ask for more photos.

4- finally got a 2nd photo (much more genuine but coulda been pulled from any facebook / social network profile)...[/QUOTE]Maybe try [URL]http://topshanghaimassage.com/masseurs[/URL].

No info on prices and seems to be no FS, just B2 be massage. But at least the pics seem real.

There's a number, give it a try and report back.

Went over to the Buddha massage place on Changping earlier tonight. Place was easy to find. Northwest corner of Changping and Shaanxi, look for a massage sign with buddha heads inside the door. Follow the stairs up and you're there.

Girl at the counter led me straight to a room with a shower and asked if I wanted to see someone in particular. Told her no since it was my first time there and she asked if she would do. She wasn't bad so I agreed. Girl was 26 from Jiangsu. She left while I showered and came back a few minutes later. I told her I knew the menu and prices already and opted for the 338 RMB massage + BBBJ.

Started a pretty normal back massage and allowed me to lift her dress and hands to roam. After a while, she stripped down to her panties and began with the boob and tongue massage. Did some weird hot water thing to my back as well.

This led to a rim job while giving the little guy a lot of attention via reach-around. Pretty hard by now so flipped over and she continue with nipple sucking and HJ. After that, she took another sip of hot water and started with the BBBJ. Technique was average, nothing to write home about but got the job done after a while. Finished with CIM.

Showered again, got dressed and paid at the counter. Might repeat but probably with someone new. Saw a stunner in a little black skirt walking out from the back when I was paying. Or I'll try the place on Shaanxi on the southwest corner of the intersection next time.

The girl's number was 20.

Anyone know if the Grand Mercure Hotel in Hongqiao area is girl-friendly?

There are some lists of G-Friendly hotels, and this was on it, just checking.

[QUOTE=BeijingCbc;1616235]Went over to the Buddha massage place on Changping earlier tonight. Place was easy to find. Northwest corner of Changping and Shaanxi, look for a massage sign with buddha heads inside the door. Follow the stairs up and you're there.

Girl at the counter led me straight to a room with a shower and asked if I wanted to see someone in particular. Told her no since it was my first time there and she asked if she would do. She wasn't bad so I agreed. Girl was 26 from Jiangsu. She left while I showered and came back a few minutes later. I told her I knew the menu and prices already and opted for the 338 RMB massage + BBBJ.

Started a pretty normal back massage and allowed me to lift her dress and hands to roam. After a while, she stripped down to her panties and began with the boob and tongue massage. Did some weird hot water thing to my back as well.

This led to a rim job while giving the little guy a lot of attention via reach-around. Pretty hard by now so flipped over and she continue with nipple sucking and HJ. After that, she took another sip of hot water and started with the BBBJ. Technique was average, nothing to write home about but got the job done after a while. Finished with CIM.

Showered again, got dressed and paid at the counter. Might repeat but probably with someone new. Saw a stunner in a little black skirt walking out from the back when I was paying. Or I'll try the place on Shaanxi on the southwest corner of the intersection next time.

The girl's number was 20.[/QUOTE]The the decor here is quite pleasant and very spacious, on my last visited I was led into the selection room full of young ladies dressed in very sexy (skimpy) negligees!, I wonder, how do they explain this in the event of a visit from LE.

[QUOTE=Tomcruz;1616324]Anyone know if the Grand Mercure Hotel in Hongqiao area is girl-friendly?

There are some lists of G-Friendly hotels, and this was on it, just checking.[/QUOTE]I didn't hear of a girl UNFRIENDLY hotel in Shanghai since the Hilton hotel situation 8 or 9 years ago, which, I suspect, lost them much of our custom.

Fz.

[QUOTE=Tomcruz;1616324]Anyone know if the Grand Mercure Hotel in Hongqiao area is girl-friendly?

There are some lists of G-Friendly hotels, and this was on it, just checking.[/QUOTE]I didn't hear of a girl UNFRIENDLY hotel in Shanghai since the Hilton hotel situation 8 or 9 years ago, which, I suspect, lost them much of our custom.

Fz.

[QUOTE=ShanghaiGuide;1615833]You can check out the Rayfont Hongqiao Hotel. It's around 18 RMB taxi fare from Manhattan in nighttime, and if you can get a "suite", than it's a great deal! Don't book a normal room (around 360 RMB), because their normal rooms are small and lousy, but their suits (around 75 to 90 sqm) are around 430 RMB a night, with very big bedrooms (at least 45 sqm), 5 star hotel styled bed, TV and so on. Perfect for a good time with a pickup!

Enjoy your trip,

Steven[/QUOTE]There are several Rayfont hotels, I have a similar experience with Rayfont, very near the camara market, I believe the address is 7 Zhaojiabang lu.

Fz.

[QUOTE=BeijingCbc;1616222]Maybe try [URL]http://topshanghaimassage.com/masseurs[/URL].

No info on prices and seems to be no FS, just B2 be massage. But at least the pics seem real.

There's a number, give it a try and report back.[/QUOTE]Hell man. Thanks for the link. Those photos definitely don't look fake to me.

But alas. Those girls are all older than me LOL. I'm 23 in October.

Also, I know I'm being picky but most of those girls look like 5's 6's at best.

I only wish I could stay in Shanghai longer. No time this time for long term playing.

But again I appreciate the attempt. I'm going to keep searching.

[QUOTE=FernandoAlonso;1613912][QUOTE=XikangLu;1613256]There's a nice little place in north Jing'An, at the intersection of Yuyao road, Xikang road and Changping Road. In that 'triangle' block, there are 3 massage places and one bar (plus board games?) cramped into the end of a big compound. You won't miss it. Lots of neon lights and signs outside.

I've been going to that place consistently for the last 6 months. 400 RMB for full service. Girls are gorgeous, gigantic boobs, and if you become a regular, you'll most likely end up getting some extra attention. The place is very safe, and has 2 alternative exits. I had to use one alt exit once, since there seemed to be trouble with LE a few months ago.

Anyway. Give that a try. You don't need to speak mandarin. I don't, at all, and have been pretty successful at pounding all the 7 girls there. I rarely see other foreigners...[/QUOTE]I think I can tell where this place is. It's on the north / west corner of Xikang Lu and ChangPing Lu, just south to where Xikang Lu becomes Yuyao Lu.

There is actually a small "triangle" with a pond, in front of which you can find a bar and 3 massage places, 1 on the left and 2 on the right. The bar is called BnC or CnB or something like that. It's directly opposite the China Construction bank that is on the north / east corner of the intersection.

However, I don't know precisely which is the massage place XikangLu is talking about. The one on the left is 400 RMB for FS (HJ: 200, BJ: 300), but is up a flight of stairs, not down (plus the few girls I saw there where not very good looking), and I haven't tried either of the 2 places on the right yet. It would be great if XikangLu could confirm.

P.S: For those interested in a quick 30 minute BBS experience (no shower), there is another 'massage" place right near that corner, further west on ChangPing Lu. 300 RMB for 30 minutes of straight FJ, and the girls I saw there were pretty hot.

Also, I like going to the massage place that is at 10 Yuyao Lu (50 meters north from that corner). The girls are young, good looking and the 358 RMB package gets you a 1 hour session massage + HJ or BBBJ if you can talk the girl into it (No tipping policy). I can recommend #9 LinLin with the fish tattoo, great body / attitude.

If you're looking for the best clubs and bars for mongering then you need to go when it's ladies night. They get free drinks just for turning up and looking good (no complaints). I like Sasha's on a Wednesday night (French Concession). The dancing girls are happy to pour Tequila down your neck and it's harder to avoid the working girls than it is to pick one up. My recommendation is turn up at 10:30, have a couple of drinks and find yourself a beautiful dancing partner inside the club.

One warning: watch out for the pickpockets outside!

This is a response to reports of Massage paroles and a bar somewhere in Jingan district.

I'm looking at a map of Shanghai. On this map Xikang Lu does not become YuYao.

Lu. Xikang crosses Haifang Lu which appears to become YuYao after it crosses Changde Lu.

Riddim give us an address of a MP on YuYao Rd. This is more concrete than a massage parlor near some corner that Formosa triangle. Most of these MP's have a name as well as a street address, and a business card. The "workers" have a worker number. If you are trying to help the rest of us find these places get the business card or write down. The street address number. Otherwise we are roaming around confused. Get the gals number so you can send by PM. There are plenty of translation apps. "Itranslate" on iTunes is very good. I spoke into this device and said in mandarin "ni gei wo kojiao hao ma" and it translated "give me oral sex" close enough. I can't stress enough how much help the Personal message system helps. I like International Travel Maps in Vancouver, BC Canada [URL]www.itmb.com[/URL]. I will look for the MP and bar mentioned in Jingan. Until then can somebody provide some addresses?

BJ soon to return to Datyland.

[QUOTE=Beijing4987;1616858]This is a response to reports of Massage paroles and a bar somewhere in Jingan district.

I'm looking at a map of Shanghai. On this map Xikang Lu does not become YuYao.

Lu. Xikang crosses Haifang Lu which appears to become YuYao after it crosses Changde Lu.

Riddim give us an address of a MP on YuYao Rd. This is more concrete than a massage parlor near some corner that Formosa triangle. Most of these MP's have a name as well as a street address, and a business card. The "workers" have a worker number. If you are trying to help the rest of us find these places get the business card or write down. The street address number. Otherwise we are roaming around confused. Get the gals number so you can send by PM. There are plenty of translation apps. "Itranslate" on iTunes is very good. I spoke into this device and said in mandarin "ni gei wo kojiao hao ma" and it translated "give me oral sex" close enough. I can't stress enough how much help the Personal message system helps. I like International Travel Maps in Vancouver, BC Canada [URL]www.itmb.com[/URL]. I will look for the MP and bar mentioned in Jingan. Until then can somebody provide some addresses?

BJ soon to return to Datyland.[/QUOTE]Here's a map for you.

Like I said, north / west corner of Changping Lu, Xikang Lu. Super easy!

Waiting for XikangLu to confirm the actual place he goes to.

Hi,

Heading to Shanghai in 2 weeks. Just looking for an update on ST & LT from these 2 sites. I was there in March. And 1,000 RMB seemed to be the going rate for the Vietnameses girls for ST & 1,500 RMB for LT. This has drifted up over the past couple of years. Just looking for an update / recent experience.

Will report when I return.

Thanks,

Will

[QUOTE=Willa1;1617128]Hi,

Heading to Shanghaiin 2 weeks. Just looking for an update on ST & LT from these 2 sites. I was there in March. And 1,000 RMB seemed to be the going rate for the Vietnameses girls for ST & 1,500 RMB for LT. This has drifted up over the past couple of years. Just looking for an update / recent experience.

Will report when I return.

Thanks,

Will[/QUOTE]During the week 1000 works. On the weekend, the girls try for 1500 but 1000 works for most of them.

[QUOTE=Beijing4987;1616858]This is a response to reports of Massage paroles and a bar somewhere in Jingan district.

I'm looking at a map of Shanghai. On this map Xikang Lu does not become YuYao.

Lu. Xikang crosses Haifang Lu which appears to become YuYao after it crosses Changde Lu.

Riddim give us an address of a MP on YuYao Rd. This is more concrete than a massage parlor near some corner that Formosa triangle. Most of these MP's have a name as well as a street address, and a business card. The "workers" have a worker number. If you are trying to help the rest of us find these places get the business card or write down. The street address number. Otherwise we are roaming around confused. Get the gals number so you can send by PM. There are plenty of translation apps. "Itranslate" on iTunes is very good. I spoke into this device and said in mandarin "ni gei wo kojiao hao ma" and it translated "give me oral sex" close enough. I can't stress enough how much help the Personal message system helps. I like International Travel Maps in Vancouver, BC Canada [URL]www.itmb.com[/URL]. I will look for the MP and bar mentioned in Jingan. Until then can somebody provide some addresses?

BJ soon to return to Datyland.[/QUOTE]Good advice, BJ. As I see it, standard map coordinates + a photo of the shop front also help enormously. Google Translate is currently blocked in some parts of China, at least on my cell phone. However, Itranslate still functions as does Jibbigo. If you have a Samsung phone then S Translator is also currently unblocked.

[QUOTE=Willa1;1617128]Hi,

Heading to Shanghaiin 2 weeks. Just looking for an update on ST & LT from these 2 sites. I was there in March. And 1,000 RMB seemed to be the going rate for the Vietnameses girls for ST & 1,500 RMB for LT. This has drifted up over the past couple of years. Just looking for an update / recent experience.

Will report when I return.

Thanks,

Will[/QUOTE]Was at Manhattans last night. Got there around midnight with a few friends, place was packed, probably because of the holiday. Lots of Vietnamese girls, some very good-looking! Didn't partake though, was already super drunk from drinking earlier but danced and chatted with a few. They tried to get 2000 LT and 1500ST but sure you negotiate lower. Left my buddies there around 3 so I'll ask them if they managed to take out when I talk to them later.

Heading back to Beijing in the evening, nursing a hangover till them. See you next time Shanghai!

[QUOTE=Rexia;1615913]Hello all,

Just moved to Shanghai, and wanted to say hi. Hope to be able to participate here.

I'm not a frequent attendee at any of the sex places, but do like to indulge once in awhile.

I'm actually quite careful when frequenting special venues and really only look for quality. So I will most likely start with saunas first.

Lots of good info here, and will try to share with everyone on my experiences.

Cheers,

Rex[/QUOTE]Welcome, Rexia.

You are in a great city! Offers variety and choice for breadth of interests. Just stay safe though.

Cheers.

Hey guys,

Does anyone have the address to this place and any reviews? I searched and only found 1 review. Any help would be appreciated.

Haven't seen a report on this one in awhile, so although nothing new, still worth a mention.

Got there early during a weekend (about 7 PM) and at the reception they made sure I was there was "special massage", and told the price was 900 RMB (looks like it went up a bit). Usual routine, shower, led upstairs, then on to the fishbowl. I've been to the 999 several times, and in the past have chosen based on looks. A beautiful Dongbei gal, a short southern gal with great natural tits, etc. But have generally been left cold with the mechanical nature of the service. This time, knowing that the glass is two way, I was looking for the response of the girls to a middle aged western guy. I guess around half had "neutral" looks, some had "oh please don't pick me looks", some had nervous smiles, but a few had very inviting "please pick me" faces on. To my surprise, the guy escorting me spoke a fair amount of english, and was trying tor recommend this one or that one (all apparently are "excellent" I picked a little spinner who seemed like she'd be fun. Probably about a 7, fake tits, no ass to speak of. But I figured that attitude would make up for any of these things.

And indeed it did. We got to the room, and instead of busying herself with setting up the soapy, she did a nice little strip show while giggling, then got down on her knees to blow me. But first positioning me so that I could either look down and watch her or look in the mirror and watch her work. Nice. This went on for a few minutes, while she was acting as if this was the best thing she'd ever had in her mouth. Not in the obnoxious loud moaning way. But in a more natural GF way, like she was really pleased to have my cock in her mouth. A very friendly way to begin the session.

After the soapy. Which is more amusing than erotic to me. Back to the bed. Again, she was really putting on a great performance. Low key Porn Star / hot Girl Friend stuff. While she was blowing me, she guided my finger into her and insisted that I work over her pussy. She seemed to come a few times in a rather juicy manner, which was kind of nice. On with the condom, various positions, finished off with BBBJCIM. Aside from a quick spit, she was back on my knob for another minute of two of post-load lovin'.

I left there with a big smile on face. Previous visits did the job, but didn't create such a positive feeling. Will try again next visit to Shanghai, and go with the "who looks like they really want to me" vibe, rather than strictly by "whom would I like to do".

Enough have been written about Cathy and no need to get into the specifics. A night of fun, frolic and fantasies with a willing, smiling, open-minded and clean girl is more to ask for. A connoisseur's treat.

Hi lads, found myself in China for a few days about 1. 5 weeks ago. Thought I'd pass on my experience. Actually landed in Beijing and spent the first night there, but didn't venture out as I had an early morning. In any event, in Shanghai, I had most of the late afternoon, evening and night free without an early morning so it was ideal. As well, given I only had the one day / evening, thought I'd try both a sauna and a pickup bar.

Late afternoon I took a taxi from the Yu garden area to the Tang Dynasty Sauna club. It's a bloody good hike by taxi and I have to admit I thought I was getting a bit concerned. But never fear, the taxi driver found the place and in I went (taxi was about 60-70 RMB). The club is located on the 6th floor. When you enter the building, a guy takes you to the elevator and pushes the button for you. Upon leaving the elevator and entering the sauna club, its immediately gives the impression of a higher end club (whether that's true or not). Limited English is spoken, but not an issue. There didn't appear to be many other guys around, so I was told to change my shoes and we headed to the selection room. I was greeted by at least 30-40 women, primarily in bikinis, each displaying a number and color (yellow-standard, red-higher end, and blue-model). I choose a girl with a blue color and the gent with me displyed the price on an iphone for my agreement. I beleive it was about 1100 RMB (180). The girl led me to a room via a maze of hallways and after undressing me, had me lay down and soaped me up followed by a Nuria massage. After showing again, we hit the bed for a reasonable BBBJ and full service. Note, very few if any of the girls will be shaved, but when in rome. An interesting experience and worth doing at least once if you get the chance.

After heading back to the hotel, I had a rest, some dinner etc and around 10-30-11 pm took a taxi to the Manhatten club. Another, apparently similar club, Judy's, is down the street and I was tempted to try both, but stayed at Manhatten. Taxi about 25 RMB. Neighborhood doesn't look that great, but whatever, I wasn't out for a stroll.

Bar was packed with punter's and girls, primarily Viet's I beleive. After a few drinks, (50 RMB) for rum and coke, I was keeping track of one babe in particular that was engaged with a table of punter's and 4-5 other girls. The guys finally left, leaving all the girls high and dry, and I stepped in. After the usual what's your name, where you from bullshit, I asked if she wanted to come to my hotel. She quoted 2000 for overnight. Having done my research, I countered with 1500 and stayed firm. She continued asking for 2000, but when I finally said take it or leave it, she caved. Off we went to the Renaissance Yu Garden hotel. No issues at all bringing the girl back to the room. Note, before heading out, room was completely hooker-proofed. Anything of value in safe, laptop locked down etc.

Showered together, great session, BBBJ, multiple positions and finished with BBBJCIM. She was shaved like most bar girls I'm told. Frankly, at this point, I actually didn't want to wake up with her beside me so I said to her (it's about 1:30-2 am) she could stay for the 1500 or take 1000 now and leave. She choose to leave. No issues on my part.

All said, a worthwhile experience and recommended to any hobbiest who finds themselves in Shanghai.

Piper.

[QUOTE=Stirling;1618597]... Taxi about 25 RMB. Neighborhood doesn't look that great, but whatever, I wasn't out for a stroll...[/QUOTE]You should go back there during daytime, you actually would be surprised.

Great report, thanks!

Lev.

[QUOTE=Levitian;1618678]You should go back there during daytime, you actually would be surprised.

Great report, thanks!

Lev.[/QUOTE]Thanks Lev, was certainly a great time. Only issue I left out was the return taxi to hotel. About 25 to get me to the club. On the way back to the hotel, we grabbed a taxi in front of the club and on arriving at the hotel, the driver demands 98 RMB. I threw 40 at him and told him to fuck off.

Stirling.

[QUOTE=Riddim;1616871]Here's a map for you.

Like I said, north / west corner of Changping Lu, Xikang Lu. Super easy!

Waiting for XikangLu to confirm the actual place he goes to.[/QUOTE]Hey, sorry I haven't been in SH for a few days. Just noticed I sparked some good conversation. The map you posted is perfect. The bar called 'BNC' or something like that is right next to the massage place I go to. It's has glass doors and you can see couches with girls on the inside, on the left. The place has pink lights all over it. There are basically three massage places in this little 'triangle' pond area.

The first one, towards Changping Lu, sucks balls (not literally, sadly). Then there's the BNC bar, then there's Heaven (the place I'm talking about) and then there's another old women place with ugly looking girls (I've never been there).

I'm planning to go again tomorrow or so, I'll try to take a photo and post it here, for reference, but if I can't, you Riddim are the boss. You got it right.

Hope this helps the confused wanderers!

If I book an overnight session with a girl. Would it be rude of me to ask her to:

-shave.

-shower.

-brush teeth / rinse mouth.

All prior to doing anything. (most important one being shaving).

Short trip saying with friends in eastern villas.

No time to search the forum but would like to know nearest decent BBS or Massage place.

[QUOTE=Phazze93;1618880]If I book an overnight session with a girl. Would it be rude of me to ask her to:

-shave.

-shower.

-brush teeth / rinse mouth.

All prior to doing anything. (most important one being shaving).[/QUOTE]Some Chinese girls have no problem shaving at all. Some see it as a minor imposition and will gladly trim a bit for you. . and others. They are so attached to their pubic forest that they would rather change nationalities and cut off a left breast than let a scissor never mind a razor near there Bush.

I had noe girl scream and run out of the shower when I approached her Bush with a small pair of scissors.

Give them a toothbrush, add the toothpaste, and say here honey, we can both be fresh breathed.

Actually, I have found all Chinese girls that I have been with (freebies and Pros) to be rather fanatical about their oral and general hygien. Nothing like lying in the bed and listening to them brush. Hoark - spit. Repeat for 5 or six minutes.

Most of the ladies in their early twenties are already a) neatly trimmed b) fully shorn or c) open to a little shaving / foreplay in the shower. My current regular hook up keeps a nicely trimmed heart shaped patch that is just about the cutest thing I have ever seen.

[QUOTE=Phazze93;1618880]If I book an overnight session with a girl. Would it be rude of me to ask her to:

-shave.

-shower.

-brush teeth / rinse mouth.

All prior to doing anything. (most important one being shaving).[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=FreebieFan;1619062]Some Chinese girls have no problem shaving at all. Some see it as a minor imposition and will gladly trim a bit for you. . and others. They are so attached to their pubic forest that they would rather change nationalities and cut off a left breast than let a scissor never mind a razor near there Bush.

I had noe girl scream and run out of the shower when I approached her Bush with a small pair of scissors.

Give them a toothbrush, add the toothpaste, and say here honey, we can both be fresh breathed.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=ChuckleOne;1619075]Actually, I have found all Chinese girls that I have been with (freebies and Pros) to be rather fanatical about their oral and general hygien. Nothing like lying in the bed and listening to them brush. Hoark - spit. Repeat for 5 or six minutes.

Most of the ladies in their early twenties are already a) neatly trimmed b) fully shorn or c) open to a little shaving / foreplay in the shower. My current regular hook up keeps a nicely trimmed heart shaped patch that is just about the cutest thing I have ever seen.[/QUOTE]Ahah good to hear you guys. For me, its really just about cleanliness.

1- To be clean. Duh!

2- Having sex with a girl that is freshly clean is a huge turn on for me. Kinda helps take your mind off the fact that she has been with other guys.

Luckily I am an American born Chinese and I can speak fluent Mandarin. Should make it more comfortable for the girl. Also I'm 23 and pretty good looking not to brag!

I will be in Shanghai this Friday morning and as of now. I plan on using this agency I found that seems to have great reviews.

Agency:

[URL]http://www.shanghai-escort-angels.com/[/URL]

The site doesn't have pictures of individual girls but most if not all of the user reviews on the review site are positive so I feel a bit reassured at this point.

If anyone has had experience or heard of this site. I'd love to hear some stories. Specially since I'm still a noobie at all this mongering. I'm still a bit concerned about how many times in an overnight session I can actually have sex with the girl without pissing her off. Bwahahaha.

[QUOTE=Stirling;1618826]Thanks Lev, was certainly a great time. Only issue I left out was the return taxi to hotel. About 25 to get me to the club. On the way back to the hotel, we grabbed a taxi in front of the club and on arriving at the hotel, the driver demands 98 RMB. I threw 40 at him and told him to fuck off.

Stirling.[/QUOTE]The taxi rates differ with time, prices after 11 pm are significantly higher than before 11 pm, but still, 4 times higher seems to be a bit too steep.

Lev.

[QUOTE=Stirling;1618826]Thanks Lev, was certainly a great time. Only issue I left out was the return taxi to hotel. About 25 to get me to the club. On the way back to the hotel, we grabbed a taxi in front of the club and on arriving at the hotel, the driver demands 98 RMB. I threw 40 at him and told him to fuck off.

Stirling.[/QUOTE]Was there no Taxi meter?

I have been a regular to Shanghai Hotel Sauna for the past years and always enjoyed the more relaxed and less pushy atmosphere. I even remember the old relaxing area with lounge chairs in one main room and the fabulous red-rope shows, all gone.

Now, last week while staying a few days in Shanghai I thought give it a try again and to my surprise it was completely closed on 2nd floor. On 3rd floor was a massage place where manager told me with happy ending but was not my thing.

Does anyone know whether it is now permanently closed or will it reopen?

Is there any other sauna in that area around Shanghai hotel and Hilton Hotel that can be recommended?

Since I had to go to the airport for a midnight flight, I decided to go to Bodi Sauna which is right on the way.

Left luggage at front desk and had the standard routine at Bodi with girls selection (about 20 or more). Picked a slim, tall girl and went to the room. The girl spoke some words english and we had good fun. Standard procedure with soapy massage, very skilled BBBJ, different positions and CIM. The girl was really cute and funny. Can't remember the number, I think it was #592, she was from Northwest Xinjiang Province. Highly recommendable.

However, I am not a big fan of Bodi, too rushed, no relaxing area, no sauna, pool, pedicure, etc.

In Shanghai Hotel sauna you could always spend a lazy Sunday afternoon.

[QUOTE=Opticus;1619345]
Is there any other sauna in that area around Shanghai hotel and Hilton Hotel that can be recommended?
[/QUOTE]Sad News about Shanghai Hotel Sauna I was planning on staying in that hotel first few days of October. Hope somebody can clear up whether it is permanently closed or not.

Another option close by could be Feng Ding (sp) on the 6th floor of the fake market - 580 Nanjing Xi Lu. Ask for the managers special rate which was 780 rmb when I was there in June. More of a rushed experience like Bodi but it is conveniently located.

[QUOTE=Opticus;1619345]
However, I am not a big fan of Bodi, too rushed, no relaxing area, no sauna, pool, pedicure, etc.

In Shanghai Hotel sauna you could always spend a lazy Sunday afternoon.[/QUOTE]Wait. Are you sure you did not agree to the rush option that takes you straight to the room and nothing else?

I am pretty sure at Bodi there is a sauna, a pool, the backrubbing guy, and pedicure all in the shower area next to the locker.

In fact they have a fairly large pool.

And if you want relaxation in the lounge area, they offer ear-picking and leg massage.

[QUOTE=Stirling;1618597]Hi lads, found myself in China for a few days about 1. 5 weeks ago. Thought I'd pass on my experience. Actually landed in Beijing and spent the first night there, but didn't venture out as I had an early morning. In any event, in Shanghai, I had most of the late afternoon, evening and night free without an early morning so it was ideal. As well, given I only had the one day / evening, thought I'd try both a sauna and a pickup bar.

Late afternoon I took a taxi from the Yu garden area to the Tang Dynasty Sauna club. It's a bloody good hike by taxi and I have to admit I thought I was getting a bit concerned. But never fear, the taxi driver found the place and in I went (taxi was about 60-70 RMB). The club is located on the 6th floor. When you enter the building, a guy takes you to the elevator and pushes the button for you. Upon leaving the elevator and entering the sauna club, its immediately gives the impression of a higher end club (whether that's true or not)...[/QUOTE]Can you write us address to Tang Dynasty Sauna club? I did not find the exact address on the website.

Many thanks.

If you are 23 and good looking, go the freebie route at clubs. In Shanghai, I prefer to pick up at clubs for FS. Pretty much every night I go out I can pick up. I'm ABC (terrible at Chinese) 30 and tall, and I go with a friend (male), we buy a jar of long island (200 rmb at most clubs), sit at the bar, and have picked up before we finish the jar. If you go solo, it's a bit harder as girls are more weary; bring a wing man if you can and you will not go home solo!

I would absolutely avoid the escort web sites and CL; you don't have to read far in the forum to hear people's scare stories. If you don't want to go to a bar, go to a sauna or MPp (I prefer MPs as I can never get a freebie to give me a massage, haha), as mentioned already in the forum.

[QUOTE=Phazze93;1619077]Ahah good to hear you guys. For me, its really just about cleanliness.

1- To be clean. Duh!

2- Having sex with a girl that is freshly clean is a huge turn on for me. Kinda helps take your mind off the fact that she has been with other guys.

Luckily I am an American born Chinese and I can speak fluent Mandarin. Should make it more comfortable for the girl. Also I'm 23 and pretty good looking not to brag!

I will be in Shanghai this Friday morning and as of now. I plan on using this agency I found that seems to have great reviews..[/QUOTE]

If you are 23 and good looking, go the freebie route at clubs. In Shanghai, I prefer to pick up at clubs for FS. Pretty much every night I go out I can pick up. I'm ABC (terrible at Chinese) 30 and tall, and I go with a friend (male), we buy a jar of long island (200 rmb at most clubs), sit at the bar, and have picked up before we finish the jar. If you go solo, it's a bit harder as girls are more weary; bring a wing man if you can and you will not go home solo!

I would absolutely avoid the escort web sites and CL; you don't have to read far in the forum to hear people's scare stories. If you don't want to go to a bar, go to a sauna or MPp (I prefer MPs as I can never get a freebie to give me a massage, haha), as mentioned already in the forum.

ART.

I wish you had a Private Message. If you did I'd ask you to visit 1808 Beijjng Lu and look for the gal with nice tits with a small mole between them. She is there many hours each day waiting for you.

BJ.

[QUOTE=Sracky;1619668]Can you write us address to Tang Dynasty Sauna club? I did not find the exact address on the website.

Many thanks.[/QUOTE]Here's the address: 6/ F,No. 2407,Qishen Road, near Baonan Road.

Stirling.

[QUOTE=Beijing4987;1619773]
I wish you had a Private Message. If you did I'd ask you to visit 1808 Beijjng Lu and look for the gal with nice tits with a small mole between them. She is there many hours each day waiting for you.

BJ.[/QUOTE]Do you have a number for the girl? I have never been able to review the girls there. They either give me the number I ask for or. Send one to the room where I wait.

[QUOTE=Beijing4987;1619773]If you are 23 and good looking, go the freebie route at clubs. In Shanghai, I prefer to pick up at clubs for FS. Pretty much every night I go out I can pick up. I'm ABC (terrible at Chinese) 30 and tall, and I go with a friend (male), we buy a jar of long island (200 rmb at most clubs), sit at the bar, and have picked up before we finish the jar. If you go solo, it's a bit harder as girls are more weary; bring a wing man if you can and you will not go home solo!

I would absolutely avoid the escort web sites and CL; you don't have to read far in the forum to hear people's scare stories. If you don't want to go to a bar, go to a sauna or MPp (I prefer MPs as I can never get a freebie to give me a massage, haha), as mentioned already in the forum.

ART.

I wish you had a Private Message. If you did I'd ask you to visit 1808 Beijjng Lu and look for the gal with nice tits with a small mole between them. She is there many hours each day waiting for you.

BJ.[/QUOTE]That Beijing Lu Shanghai or Beijing?

That Beijing Lu Shanghai or Beijing?

TimTims.

It's at 1808 Beijing Lu near the corner at Wanhangdu Lu.

The door makes a ding as you open it the you go up the stairs. This place is well known and has had previous reports.

Tried the new menu at Wanhangdu Lu Wuning Lu massage place. 238 gets you a hand release, 338 BBBJ. Effective but pretty clinical. Lots of spitting and hacking. I was not offered full service. The cold wet wipes are a shock, too.

[QUOTE=ArtShanghai;1619723]If you are 23 and good looking, go the freebie route at clubs. In Shanghai, I prefer to pick up at clubs for FS. Pretty much every night I go out I can pick up. I'm ABC (terrible at Chinese) 30 and tall, and I go with a friend (male), we buy a jar of long island (200 rmb at most clubs), sit at the bar, and have picked up before we finish the jar. If you go solo, it's a bit harder as girls are more weary; bring a wing man if you can and you will not go home solo!

I would absolutely avoid the escort web sites and CL; you don't have to read far in the forum to hear people's scare stories. If you don't want to go to a bar, go to a sauna or MPp (I prefer MPs as I can never get a freebie to give me a massage, haha), as mentioned already in the forum.[/QUOTE]Man I wish. I'm only here for 2 more nights and I'm here in Shanghai for business. So no friends.

If anyone knows any pretty (pretty w / o shit load of makeup), girls who provide full service, and who enjoy nice dinners. Please hook me up!

I was recommended a lot of cool restaurants but I don't want to go with my business associates nor do I want to go alone.

I read earlier on this thread that its better to show up to a KTV bar earlier on in the day so there is a bigger selection?

Makes sense. Since most people would probably wait until night time. In which case, I have never ever been to a KTV bar.

The thought of having to stand in front of 20-30 girls and picking one out while they all look at you is a bit mind rattling.

Prefer not to have too many working girls remember my face. Lolol.

Can anyone recommend a very discreet KTV bar / club that allows clients to pick girls out in person and then bring them back home?

Trying to find an "real" girl online is nearly impossible. Like 99% fake pics.

Guys,

Today I had a nice experience in Shanghai. Now I leave China to Europe, so give you one contact to one girl. I went to Manhattan bar today, where I met Miss Sun. She is from Vietnam (the half-Vietnamese and half-Cambodian). Very nice lady. On the photos green skirt + dark "jacket" (on the pictures 2 x on the right and 1 x on the left. The older ones). Age about 26 (in Asians I can not tell for 100% I took her + her friend to my hotel room. Price 1.000 CNY / 1 hour / 1 girl or 2.000 CNY / whole night / 1 girl. Mobil phone for Sun is (+ 84 XXXX1 72 73 - prefix is Vietnam, she is on Viber). Hope I will contact her next visit to Shanghai. So please don't tell her that you have phone number from this website.

[QUOTE=LostInShanghai;1620006]Tried the new menu at Wanhangdu Lu Wuning Lu massage place. 238 gets you a hand release, 338 BBBJ. Effective but pretty clinical. Lots of spitting and hacking. I was not offered full service. The cold wet wipes are a shock, too.[/QUOTE]Did you tip? The girls don't seem to ask for one when I was there. (unlike beijing Lu).

[QUOTE=Sracky;1620430]Guys,

Today I had a nice experience in Shanghai. Now I leave China to Europe, so give you one contact to one girl. I went to Manhattan bar today, where I met Miss Sun. She is from Vietnam (the half-Vietnamese and half-Cambodian). Very nice lady. On the photos green skirt + dark "jacket" (on the pictures 2 x on the right and 1 x on the left. The older ones). Age about 26 (in Asians I can not tell for 100% I took her + her friend to my hotel room. Price 1.000 CNY / 1 hour / 1 girl or 2.000 CNY / whole night / 1 girl. Mobil phone for Sun is (+ 84 XXXX1 72 73 - prefix is Vietnam, she is on Viber). Hope I will contact her next visit to Shanghai. So please don't tell her that you have phone number from this website.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the info and photos, however your post left out a few key pieces of information:

How much did you end up paying in total for the two girls to come to your room? 2,000 RMB? Or more?

How long did they stay? 1 hour? 1 1/2 hours? Longer? Whole night?

How was their service? Were both girls active? Or did Sun take the lead while the other girl just sort of hung around? Did they allow DATY? How were their oral skills? Did you try anal? Did the two girls interact with each other at all?

I don't expect you to give a minute-by-minute description, but a little more info would sure help. Just in case I contact Sun one day and she says "I want to bring the girl in the light blue dress along with me" I'd like to know whether or not it's worth the extra cash.

By the way, Sun's phone number got partially xxx-ed out.

[QUOTE=LostInShanghai;1620006]Tried the new menu at Wanhangdu Lu Wuning Lu massage place. 238 gets you a hand release, 338 BBBJ. Effective but pretty clinical. Lots of spitting and hacking. I was not offered full service. The cold wet wipes are a shock, too.[/QUOTE]Sounds very similar to the Buddha massage parlour, is there perhaps a link?

[QUOTE=SamCan;1620461]Did you tip? The girls don't seem to ask for one when I was there. (unlike beijing Lu).[/QUOTE]I rarely tip unless the girl asks. In this case, she seemed to be happy to part company quickly and did not ask.

Hey guys,

I'm wondering if anyone's had any success in getting a WG to spend more than a night with you, say starting at 7 pm or so. I'm assuming the pickup bars gets active around 10 pm (I've never went there before then), but enjoying a dinner and a drink together is what I'm looking for. Is it possible and how much? I'm not looking for freebies.

Lost In Shanghai; I rarely tip unless the girl asks. In this case, she seemed to be happy to part company quickly and did not ask.

In May when the oil massage was 208 the provider got 83.

BJ.

[QUOTE=Tasss;1620682]Hey guys,

I'm wondering if anyone's had any success in getting a WG to spend more than a night with you, say starting at 7 pm or so. I'm assuming the pickup bars gets active around 10 pm (I've never went there before then), but enjoying a dinner and a drink together is what I'm looking for. Is it possible and how much? I'm not looking for freebies.[/QUOTE]If you go to manhattans early, (ie. 10 pm) you may be able to negotiate a long morning session. If you develop a rapport with a provider, you can meet her another night. That works but it takes the up fromt effort. Not everyone wants to do that.

Sam can.

[QUOTE=Tasss;1620682]Hey guys,

I'm wondering if anyone's had any success in getting a WG to spend more than a night with you, say starting at 7 pm or so. I'm assuming the pickup bars gets active around 10 pm (I've never went there before then), but enjoying a dinner and a drink together is what I'm looking for. Is it possible and how much? I'm not looking for freebies.[/QUOTE]Certainly possible but it's likely to need setting up in advance since the girls are not likely to be in the bars so early in the evening. You could find one you get on well with the night before, or go the online escort site route. That will also take a bit of searching as most are geared to short encounters. Best solution is to build a relationship with a freelance girl, but that takes time of course.

[QUOTE=Sracky;1620430]Guys,

Today I had a nice experience in Shanghai. Now I leave China to Europe, so give you one contact to one girl. I went to Manhattan bar today, where I met Miss Sun. She is from Vietnam (the half-Vietnamese and half-Cambodian). Very nice lady. On the photos green skirt + dark "jacket" (on the pictures 2 x on the right and 1 x on the left. The older ones). Age about 26 (in Asians I can not tell for 100% I took her + her friend to my hotel room. Price 1.000 CNY / 1 hour / 1 girl or 2.000 CNY / whole night / 1 girl. Mobil phone for Sun is (+ 84 XXXX1 72 73 - prefix is Vietnam, she is on Viber). Hope I will contact her next visit to Shanghai. So please don't tell her that you have phone number from this website.[/QUOTE]Are you sure they were from Vietnam? They look rather local to me.

[QUOTE=Tasss;1620682]Hey guys,

I'm wondering if anyone's had any success in getting a WG to spend more than a night with you, say starting at 7 pm or so. I'm assuming the pickup bars gets active around 10 pm (I've never went there before then), but enjoying a dinner and a drink together is what I'm looking for. Is it possible and how much? I'm not looking for freebies.[/QUOTE]I do a variation of this. I have the girl come over in the afternoon (been together many times), I get my 2 shots and then if we feel like it, have dinner and she's off in time to dress and hit the bar at 10 pm. I get a lower rate this way as it's not primetime, and both of us have more energy. Fortunately I mostly work from home and timing is no issue.

PM me I can probably connect you to someone. I prefer dinner and such, too.

Gregory.

[QUOTE=Tasss;1620682]Hey guys,

I'm wondering if anyone's had any success in getting a WG to spend more than a night with you, say starting at 7 pm or so. I'm assuming the pickup bars gets active around 10 pm (I've never went there before then), but enjoying a dinner and a drink together is what I'm looking for. Is it possible and how much? I'm not looking for freebies.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=LostInShanghai;1620006]Tried the new menu at Wanhangdu Lu Wuning Lu massage place. 238 gets you a hand release, 338 BBBJ. Effective but pretty clinical. Lots of spitting and hacking. I was not offered full service. The cold wet wipes are a shock, too.[/QUOTE]Just a heads up that FS is absolutely available. I've been back five times since my original foray (hey, I have needs man.) and have gotten FS every time. You just need to ask for it. I always tell the front desk I just want an HJ for 238 RMB, then after I'm in the room I offer the girl 300 RMB for FS. 538 RMB total damage for a no-rush session. Haven't found anything better.

Also, in response to a previous post titled 'Dumpster Diving on Wanhangdu Lu' (sorry, on my phone and can't find it to quote right now) - I found and tried that place and FS is not on the menu. It's weird, I've been in probably 2 or 3 different BBS type places in the past few weeks, this place included, and none of them seem to offer FS. I don't know if I'm just going to the wrong spots or what.

Hey guys,

So I just saw the recent posts about 1808 and realized that's like a 2 minute walk from me. Looks like things have changed a bit in the past few months and was wondering if anyone has been there recent and if they rec'd FS or not. Either way, I'll be heading there tomorrow night and will report back. But would be good to have some intel.

Thanks!

Hey guys,

So I just saw the recent posts about 1808 and realized that's like a 2 minute walk from me. Looks like things have changed a bit in the past few months and was wondering if anyone has been there recent and if they rec'd FS or not. Either way, I'll be heading there tomorrow night and will report back. But would be good to have some intel.

Thanks.

It always depends on the provider. If she thinks you are potential boyfriend material FS might be offered. I've gone to 1808 Beijing Lu and Wanhangdu for years. Got Daty at both and BBBJ once last May at Beijing Lu. In prefer to PM info about favorites. Any reports are welcome, especially if it shows a pattern if activity. I know two who won't work at Wanhangdu because of BBBJ.

Hello,

I am a local Chinese living in SH. I am also interested in KTV, I am looking for buddies to enjoy nice place together.

[QUOTE=Phazze93;1620370]I read earlier on this thread that its better to show up to a KTV bar earlier on in the day so there is a bigger selection?

Makes sense. Since most people would probably wait until night time. In which case, I have never ever been to a KTV bar.

The thought of having to stand in front of 20-30 girls and picking one out while they all look at you is a bit mind rattling.

Prefer not to have too many working girls remember my face. Lolol.

Can anyone recommend a very discreet KTV bar / club that allows clients to pick girls out in person and then bring them back home?

Trying to find an "real" girl online is nearly impossible. Like 99% fake pics.[/QUOTE]

She was in Bodi before but went to Merrylin after a while, does anyone remember her number?

[QUOTE=Beijing4987;1612208]At the crossing Changning / Loushanguan Lu there are several massage shops. The one on the Loushanguan which I used to go for a while changed the decoration and the girls too and is now pure ligit. In the past I could get everything there. But the massage is still good. 90 min oil massage for 288 rmb.

If you go toward chingnang road and then turn left you see 4-5 massage shops. My experience: in the middle one the massage is miserable 1 h for 240. The girl offered BBBC for 400 but settled on 200. Nothing to talk about.

I went last week to the last shop of this group. I went for 90 min (318 rmb). A line up of 6-6 girls all in short black skirt and white shirt. I went for a tall one, mid 20 I think. She started with back massage using hot towels first after 5 min she stared using oil. Excellend strong massage. Then she moved to the lower part. She sat between my legs while I was still on my belly and started a wonderful butt, balls and cock massage. Top down so to speak. A great feeling. After flipping she started with the chest and I started roaming everywhere. No objection!..[/QUOTE]These are on Chingnang Road. Coming from Loushnaguan pass Willis Fitness Club and turn left.

[QUOTE=AppleCourt;1620962]I do a variation of this. I have the girl come over in the afternoon (been together many times), I get my 2 shots and then if we feel like it, have dinner and she's off in time to dress and hit the bar at 10 pm. I get a lower rate this way as it's not primetime, and both of us have more energy. Fortunately I mostly work from home and timing is no issue.[/QUOTE]Interesting concept Apple. I've basically nothing to do during the day, been to SH many times. So get to know a girl who's willing to come during the day and fresh ones at night.

i don't report much here anymore (too much grief and ranting from the price police), but thought i'd share this for the benefit of all (suppose it's better to share bad reports than good).

[url]http://www.private-escort-shanghai.com/our-sexy-girls/[/url]

i've used them before and they sent the girls in the pictures. this time it took all day to schedule and confirm the girl, and when she finally arrived (nearly an hour late. a pet peeve to begin with) she was an old ugly hag (obviously *not* the girl in the pictures who was a stunner. yangxue, though i really doubt it matters which one you choose).

here's the thing. it's certainly likely that some people got some of the real girls (i even did before). but if they are going to waste valuable time (not to mention that i'm not loaded up on v and a few wines to boot with nothing to show for it other than having to now go to a business dinner in this frustrated condition) with lame bait and switches then they are simply not the site they purport to be, and the community needs to be aware.

btw i kicked the girl out immediately without paying a penny. and upon doing so i remembered two things:

1. they actually did this to me last time i was in town too, but the girl was semi passable (albeit horrid, horrid breath and really bad in bed) and i was so horny that i just accepted it.

2. the *only* real one i ever got from their site was the ugliest one (it was late at night that time).

so that tells us a lot, i think.

-bonzo-.

p.s. the above report was from right now, i. e. 6:30 pm. so this wasn't some late night mix-up. this was literally all day wasted planning and dealing with these a-holes. beware!

[QUOTE=Carage;1619609]Wait. Are you sure you did not agree to the rush option that takes you straight to the room and nothing else?

I am pretty sure at Bodi there is a sauna, a pool, the backrubbing guy, and pedicure all in the shower area next to the locker.

In fact they have a fairly large pool.

And if you want relaxation in the lounge area, they offer ear-picking and leg massage.[/QUOTE]Sorry for late reply was heavy traveling.

Maybe should ask for that next time. Is there an extra charge for it? I remember paying around 800 for the quick session. At Shanghai Sauna it was always included. Does anyone have an update on what will happen to Shanghai Sauna?

my friend corrected me (reminded me) later tonight that this agency never sends the real girls -- the only real girls are from (as reviewed on) the shanghai nightlife guide site directly, not this agency. he was correct about this now that i recall so i'm passing it on.

[quote=bonzo1;1622408]i don't report much here anymore (too much grief and ranting from the price police), but thought i'd share this for the benefit of all (suppose it's better to share bad reports than good).

[url]http://www.private-escort-shanghai.com/our-sexy-girls/[/url]

i've used them before and they sent the girls in the pictures. this time it took all day to schedule and confirm the girl, and when she finally arrived (nearly an hour late. a pet peeve to begin with) she was an old ugly hag (obviously *not* the girl in the pictures who was a stunner. yangxue, though i really doubt it matters which one you choose).

here's the thing. it's certainly likely that some people got some of the real girls (i even did before). but if they are going to waste valuable time (not to mention that i'm not loaded up on v and a few wines to boot with nothing to show for it other than having to now go to a business dinner in this frustrated condition) with lame bait and switches then they are simply not the site they purport to be, and the community needs to be aware.

btw i kicked the girl out immediately without paying a penny. and upon doing so i remembered two things:

1. they actually did this to me last time i was in town too, but the girl was semi passable (albeit horrid, horrid breath and really bad in bed) and i was so horny that i just accepted it.

2. the *only* real one i ever got from their site was the ugliest one (it was late at night that time).

so that tells us a lot, i think.

-bonzo-.

p.s. the above report was from right now, i. e. 6:30 pm. so this wasn't some late night mix-up. this was literally all day wasted planning and dealing with these a-holes. beware![/quote]

Just letting everyone know that it is now 1200 for the same selection of beautiful girls in the fishbowl for 45 minutes. Shuang fei is another 600. Still was fun.

Interesting post on the Beijing forum just now (#10864) about a so-called sauna city in a 55-floor building. Although posted elsewhere, the place that is described is obviously supposed to be in Shanghai but details are vague. I think sauna city is a myth but, for what it's worth, here's the link:

[URL]http://whiteconfucius.com/places/sauna-city/[/URL]

[QUOTE=Wabbittt;1622998]Interesting post on the Beijing forum just now (#10864) about a so-called sauna city in a 55-floor building. Although posted elsewhere, the place that is described is obviously supposed to be in Shanghai but details are vague. I think sauna city is a myth but, for what it's worth, here's the link:

[URL]http://whiteconfucius.com/places/sauna-city/[/URL][/QUOTE]Nothing in this area is black or white. I think its more of an urban legend. Has any of the bros been there?

[QUOTE=Phazze93;1620370]I read earlier on this thread that its better to show up to a KTV bar earlier on in the day so there is a bigger selection?

Makes sense. Since most people would probably wait until night time. In which case, I have never ever been to a KTV bar.

The thought of having to stand in front of 20-30 girls and picking one out while they all look at you is a bit mind rattling.

Prefer not to have too many working girls remember my face. Lolol.

Can anyone recommend a very discreet KTV bar / club that allows clients to pick girls out in person and then bring them back home?

Trying to find an "real" girl online is nearly impossible. Like 99% fake pics.[/QUOTE]Nearly all KTVs will allow you to take out the girl (later) after you finished your party, but not all girls are available for that. So if the "takeout" is your target, better ask the mamasan for present only girls who will be available for that. Additional some girls there will not go out with a foreigner (because no chance to communicate and the "big dick rumor" so the selection will be reduced, but still a lot of girls, I am sure. I have been with a western customer on a tour last Saturday, we went to two KTVs and both had more than 100 girls even for that "requirement", but I am afraid you need to speak Chinese, or you need a translator or you have to find a KTV with a English skilled mamasan (very expensive KTVs will provide that, the lower and medium KTVs not often, but I know a mamasan who can speak a decent English in a medium ranged KTV, she even offer our customers after having a first party there, you can later just come over, pay her mamasan fee and pick the girl to go out without spend for a room again, so if you need that contact, just check our page or write a private message here).

KTVs here in Shanghai are all "nightclubs", not like a bar, so I never visit a KTV who will have girls in daytime. The KTV service is hosting a party starting from 7 to 9 pm and end from midnight to 3 am. You also have to book a room for an evening there, it's not like a bar where you go there when ever you want, get a drink and leave after finish. You book (and pay) room, DJ, waiter, mamasan and so on for the evening, even when you leave after 10 minutes. And you normally have a minimum drink charge of at least 500 to 1000 RMB included in the room fee, so also not easy not to waste that budget. And a big share of this cost is fixed, same for one or 5 guys, so if you go there alone, it's a expensive (and honestly bad) deal, but if you are able to share the cost within a small group, a KTV party is a great deal.

But all KTVs will work with that "face to face" selection, but no need to by shy, they will see so many guys every day, you don't need to worry they will remember your face.

Best time to pick up girls is around 7:30 pm, because this time the KTV girls will start to work. But than better be fast, because they will go from room to room than and till 8:30 most rooms will be booked, that means in a medium KTV there are at least 100 guys who picked out 100 girls from the selection. Here we German call it: "the early bird get the worm".

To make a decision will be a hard job, because they will bring the girls in several charges, so for example each time 20, while you see the first selection, you still have a chance for 5 times another 20 girls. Do you see the problem? You like one, but you are not sure if there will be better ones, than you ask for another selection, finally could be you find out the best one was in the 3rd selection, but when you want to call her back, she already has been picked out in another room. For that I have a "arrangement" with the mamasan for our customers: if you like a girl, just take her out, "park" her on the side, take next selection, perhaps here "park" out another one, than finally after all girls passed, you have your own "top selection" and finally decide for one girl and the others will leave.

For our western culture it sounds strange and embarrassing, but for the girls seems to be no problem, so no need to be shy for that.

When you try to find a KTV, you should know they are 3 different kind of KTVs here in Shanghai. One is the regular one (like for example Cash Box), where you only rent a room with friends, party together and leave, no girls!

The other ones are the KTVs with girls. Most time they included something like Huisuo 会25152; (Clubhouse) in their name, than should be clear they have girls.

Here you now will find the more "legit" ones and the Clubs we call "naughty" KTVs on our page.

A "legit" one includes singing and some light kissing or touching in the KTV, but not more. Here sometimes you find more stunners, but here also the rate of the girls who finally are available for "takeout" is lower.

A "naughty" KTV will include much more hot activities in the KTV, like for example strip dance, topless games and in some clubs also naked games (but no sex! I also know a KTV where you can book a extra girl for a 2 song nude dance including BJ in the room for 600 extra.

There is a 4th group of KTVs where I hope you never will stop over. We call them the "black KTVs". This are the places where the pimps on the street will bring you, if you follow them to a bar with sexy girls. This clubs are small, only some rooms, only 10 or 20 girls and no signs for a KTV outside. Than after a short session they will blackmail you with "they video taped it" or just with some strong guys to pay 5 000 RMB and more. One guy just left a review on our page that he was ripped off there with 30 000 RMB for one hour including blow job, but after beaten up, he finally paid!

The problem is to find out, which KTV offer what kind of service. They will not even talk about their "service" on phone most time (because you also could work for the police), so you have to go there and ask. As a westerner you have the "no police" advantage, so if you are there (and you can speak Chinese or you have a translator beside), than they will tell you very clear what kind of service they offer and also clear the rate with you, but nearly no chance to get that without visit the club.

The range for KTV rates is very wide in Shanghai. There are clubs where you can have a party for 5 guys for 4000 including drinks, naughty activities and girls, other medium ranged clubs will charge 10 or 15 k for the same party (but for sure with higher level environment and girls). There are also high class KTV where a party will be at least 10 k each customer (KTV is a typical "company" entertainment, so the guys there don't mind to spend a fortune in one night, because they will claim it from their company as "customer entertainment".

We have some "checked" KTVs and I know a good cheap one (but no English skilled mamasan) and one a little bit more upscale with the English speaking mamasan, so just send a private message or check out our page for details.

Enjoy your KTV party.

Steven

Anyone been to the lotus spa?

Can you PM me the address? It does not appear to be here but I found it on another site and wanted to go when I am in shanghai next stop.

Sam.

[QUOTE=Beijing4987;1616858]I spoke into this device and said in mandarin "ni gei wo kojiao hao ma" and it translated "give me oral sex" close enough. I will look for the MP and bar mentioned in Jingan. Until then can somebody provide some addresses?
[/QUOTE]Just for the record, that is not "ko" as in Coke it is pronounced "ko" like cow. ; ko jiao or mouth sex. It is a relatively polite expression so don't be embarrassed. You have to ask.

=Five Aces;1623817]Just for the record, that is not "ko" as in Coke it is pronounced "ko" like cow. ; ko jiao or mouth sex. It is a relatively polite expression so don't be embarrassed. You have to ask.

Five Aces.

Thanks for the correction. I left off the you in "Kou".

Beijing4987.

[QUOTE=ShangHangin;1614089]That's a lot of questions. I've been in SH for many years. And yes, I have a sig other. But there is a population of professional women in their early 30's that are good fun, enjoy life, work hard and make money, have their own apartment, and like to shag. All my ladies know I'm married. I never hide it, usually drop it early to see the reaction. If they can't deal with it, that's their problem. I just had dinner with one the other night, then back to her place, and I'm home by midnight. It was a "business dinner".

I never promise anything, we just go out and have fun together, good conversation, and enjoy each other's company. Not physical every time we meet. Sometimes just a coffee during the week, a quick Hello, on wechat, or a couple of weeks of no contact.

I have met them at the usual places. Any reasonable club or bar that has a mix of expats and locals. Sometime it can be out shopping. I like to talk to people, so it's easy to get a conversation started when I'm out with friends. I make the initial contact, not expecting to take them home the first night. I cultivate the relationship over time. I guess I would characterize the relationships as a friendships. These are ladies I like hanging out with.

Good luck.

SH.[/QUOTE]Thanks. This all sounds good to me. I like to talk to people too, but while "it's easy to get a conversation started when I'm out with friends", all my friends also know my so quite well and are not at all the player / monger type. They would be irritated if they saw me chatting up other gals, exchanging numbers, Wechat etc. Going alone to clubs or bars also sucks because of the "lone wolf" stigma. How do you manage this with your friends?

[QUOTE=Phazze93;1615362]Ah. Yea I've seen those sites before. Thanks but the girls there are a bit too old for me hahaha. And not hot.

I'm in my early 20's, so hiring an escort older than me is a little awkward.

In the meantime I'm going to keep looking. Hopefully I can try to convince one of them to show me a real picture.

The last girl on chinadaily I contacted was a bit of a hassle. Luckily I speak pretty good Mandarin.

1- replied to classified.

2- got email reply with fake photo attached.

3- chatted on wechat to ask for more photos.

4- finally got a 2nd photo (much more genuine but coulda been pulled from any facebook / social network profile)...[/QUOTE]I followed your whole quest to find high quality girls preparing for your trip to Shanghai. I also prefer quality over quantity and over cheap and I don't like the idea of saunas, massage parlors etc. So I'm curious how it all turned out for you. What did you end up doing?

I've also seen "Susu" on a few sites and noticed she uses the same pics and name across. Did you end up contacting her? Are her pics real?

[QUOTE=Beijing4987;1623892]=Five Aces;1623817]Just for the record, that is not "ko" as in Coke it is pronounced "ko" like cow. ; ko jiao or mouth sex. It is a relatively polite expression so don't be embarrassed. You have to ask.

Five Aces.

Thanks for the correction. I left off the you in "Kou".

Beijing4987.[/QUOTE]I am wrong. The o sound in kou jiao is like in coke.

[QUOTE=LurKing;1624388]I followed your whole quest to find high quality girls preparing for your trip to Shanghai. I also prefer quality over quantity and over cheap and I don't like the idea of saunas, massage parlors etc. So I'm curious how it all turned out for you. What did you end up doing?

I've also seen "Susu" on a few sites and noticed she uses the same pics and name across. Did you end up contacting her? Are her pics real?[/QUOTE]I just got back to the states from my shanghai trip. Here's a quick rundown:

Since I can speak fluent mandarin. I basically sent mass SMS to classifieds, independents, and girls from his site.

[URL]http://www.shanghai-nightlife-guide.com/real-escort-girls/[/URL]

(Only 1 girl, Jin Jin).

A lot of them don't use real photos but I was able to convince most of them with chinese to show me some real pics.

Also, what a lot of them do is. If they aren't available they will send their friends / associates instead. So if they weren't available, I'd ask for referrals to their associates / friends and request real photos before meeting them.

In total I spent 3 nights.

-3 overnight independent girls (all pretty cute and young but not as young as I was hoping. All 3 were 22,23).

-1 trip to Tang Dynasty Sauna (paid the manager extra to basically "hide me" from being spotted by anybody else that works there).

Only the 1 girl, the manager, and the cashier saw my face.

Summary:

-knowing chinese REALLY helps haha.

-will need to do more preparation for next time. To find REAL high quality escorts.

I believe in order to find those 9's and 10's, you really need to have some local connections. Which is not easily achieved during a brief trip.

Hopefully next time I go to shanghai it will be on a permanent basis for work. And I will just spend most of my time hitting up bars / clubs / cafes / ktvs / etc. I am still pretty young afterall =D.

=Five Aces;1624715]I am wrong. The o sound in kou jiao is like in coke.

Ok guys now go out and practice your pronunciation and grammar. Itranslate is my favorite study tool.

Now. Qing gei wo kojiao haoma?

[QUOTE=Beijing4987;1624763]=Five Aces;1624715]I am wrong. The o sound in kou jiao is like in coke.

Ok guys now go out and practice your pronunciation and grammar. Itranslate is my favorite study tool.

Now. Qing gei wo kojiao haoma?[/QUOTE]Qing is a nice touch. I'm not laughing. Very good. If they think you are nice you get it better.

[QUOTE=FiveAces;1625600]Qing is a nice touch. I'm not laughing. Very good. If they think you are nice you get it better.[/QUOTE]My experience - add a "meili" to the front or back of that sentence always helps too. Help a girl feel good about herself and she'll usually reciprocate

Can anyone local advice me? I plan visit to Shanghai in late Oktober / early November and want to take hotel in Merrylin because sauna there was always good in last ten years visiting Shanghai. But the hotel is not showing on all the booking sites and nobody answer the h]phone as I call.

Has Merrylin / Siyuan shut down for any reason? It is my favorite hotel / sauna I SH so please let me know if closed down.

Thanks.

PE.

Not a local but I did not see Merrilyn on Expedia when I was looking at hotels for my current trip. Just book Purple Mountain. Across the street from Merrilyn and only 700 rmb per night for a basic room. I am paying 850 for an executive floor room this week and in includes free wifi and breakfast. Planning on visiting Sauna at Merrylin Tuesday afternoon.

[QUOTE=PeterEastwest;1626847]Can anyone local advice me? I plan visit to Shanghai in late Oktober / early November and want to take hotel in Merrylin because sauna there was always good in last ten years visiting Shanghai. But the hotel is not showing on all the booking sites and nobody answer the h]phone as I call.

Has Merrylin / Siyuan shut down for any reason? It is my favorite hotel / sauna I SH so please let me know if closed down.

Thanks.

PE.[/QUOTE]Just Google: Changhang Merrylin Hotel Shanghai.

I see it on Tripadvisor, eLong, and Ctrip.

[QUOTE=Carage;1626890]Just Google: Changhang Merrylin Hotel Shanghai.

I see it on Tripadvisor, eLong, and Ctrip.[/QUOTE]Yeah. I thought of that! BUT it keeps showing NO ROOMS AVAILABLE right through end December. Does anyone know if it is CLOSED?

Thnaks.

PE.

[QUOTE=ChuckleOne;1626867]Not a local but I did not see Merrilyn on Expedia when I was looking at hotels for my current trip. Just book Purple Mountain. Across the street from Merrilyn and only 700 rmb per night for a basic room. I am paying 850 for an executive floor room this week and in includes free wifi and breakfast. Planning on visiting Sauna at Merrylin Tuesday afternoon.[/QUOTE]Thanks Chuckle.

Please report back on hotel and Sauna if they are opened now. I am thinking maybe hotel is shutting for rebuilding because it was due an overhaul for some time. But is the 3 floor sauna open? Maybe you can PM the phone number for me. Thanks.

[QUOTE=PeterEastwest;1627121]Yeah. I thought of that! BUT it keeps showing NO ROOMS AVAILABLE right through end December. Does anyone know if it is CLOSED?

Thnaks.

PE.[/QUOTE]I looked up the Hotel website. Looks like it is closed.
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Thank you for your support, the hotel is under decorated. To guaranteed your trip, recommenda below hotel for you in the Lujiazui Area.

Are QQ and Wechat dead ends for meeting ST girls? I used to get offers a couple times a week on wechat, but nothing in months. I'm looking for some not-so-westernized Chinese girls to spend some time with.

[QUOTE=PeterEastwest;1627124]Thanks Chuckle.

Please report back on hotel and Sauna if they are opened now. I am thinking maybe hotel is shutting for rebuilding because it was due an overhaul for some time. But is the 3 floor sauna open? Maybe you can PM the phone number for me. Thanks.[/QUOTE]Went to Merrylin early on Wednesday afternoon and was told by security guy at main entrance. Closed! Maybe due to Holiday? Made up for it hooking up with a WeChat massage girl. Nice but pricey at 1000 for 1 hour 1 SOG. Pm for contact details. Hoping 1808 Beijing Lu yields better results on Friday.

[QUOTE=ChuckleOne;1627928]Went to Merrylin early on Wednesday afternoon and was told by security guy at main entrance. Closed! Maybe due to Holiday? Made up for it hooking up with a WeChat massage girl. Nice but pricey at 1000 for 1 hour 1 SOG. Pm for contact details. Hoping 1808 Beijing Lu yields better results on Friday.[/QUOTE]Just to be clear, do you mean the security in the hotel main lobby (1st floor) or security on the 3rd floor?

Either way, Bodi is not that far away. Probably 25 RMB taxi.

[QUOTE=Carage;1627961]Just to be clear, do you mean the security in the hotel main lobby (1st floor) or security on the 3rd floor?

Either way, Bodi is not that far away. Probably 25 RMB taxi.[/QUOTE]Security on first floor. Right inside the door.

Greetings to all oil massage lovers, especially DATY. I'm heading to Shanghai to see my favorites. Please post any recent sightings or better yet send me a PM. The Jing An temple area is my usual stomping grounds as well as Gubei and Songjiang where alumnus' are now located.

BJ.

Noticed that next to Camel Bar on Weifang Lu (near Pudong Nan Lu) there are two (sports) bars: 'One Way Street' and 'Jolly Dragon', with ample female staff (incl. Hot matures). Does anyone know if these girls only serve drinks (at normal prices) or are there other services on / off premises. Clients consist mainly of foreigners, so I was wondering if these are girlie bars since the girls often hang out outside like on Changyi Lu. Thanks.

[QUOTE=GeoffreyFirmin;1627443]Are QQ and Wechat dead ends for meeting ST girls? I used to get offers a couple times a week on wechat, but nothing in months. I'm looking for some not-so-westernized Chinese girls to spend some time with.[/QUOTE]I recollect reading recently over a million accounts have been cancelled for promoting sexual contact.

[QUOTE=Changlelu;1628458]Noticed that next to Camel Bar on Weifang Lu (near Pudong Nan Lu) there are two (sports) bars: 'One Way Street' and 'Jolly Dragon', with ample female staff (incl. Hot matures). Does anyone know if these girls only serve drinks (at normal prices) or are there other services on / off premises. Clients consist mainly of foreigners, so I was wondering if these are girlie bars since the girls often hang out outside like on Changyi Lu. Thanks.[/QUOTE]CLL,

I have seen the same. Have not yet taken a dive into the pair you mention. Will have to give it a go and see. I tend to grab a drink at the Camel then hit my fave massage place nearby.

SH.

[QUOTE=Changlelu;1628458]Noticed that next to Camel Bar on Weifang Lu (near Pudong Nan Lu) there are two (sports) bars: 'One Way Street' and 'Jolly Dragon', with ample female staff (incl. Hot matures). Does anyone know if these girls only serve drinks (at normal prices) or are there other services on / off premises. Clients consist mainly of foreigners, so I was wondering if these are girlie bars since the girls often hang out outside like on Changyi Lu. Thanks.[/QUOTE]These bars are girlie type bars pestering for high priced LD. In the past at least, none I saw went out with customers they just met. I have several Pudong friends at a nearby sports bar, they all go to Chang yi Lu.

Right now during the holiday is a buyers market for Judy's and Manhattan, lots of girls and few guys.

[QUOTE=AppleCourt;1628836]I have several Pudong friends at a nearby sports bar, they all go to Chang yi Lu.

[/QUOTE]How are the massage parlors that are near the girlie bars on Chang yi Lu?

[QUOTE=NonLinear;1628924]How are the massage parlors that are near the girlie bars on Chang yi Lu?[/QUOTE]Haven't used them in a while, but have done late night take away for FS from the place to the left of Sports Bar.

SH.

Does anyone know if Riverview Hotel Sauna is operational?

[QUOTE=Ramrod;1629291]Does anyone know if Riverview Hotel Sauna is operational?[/QUOTE]Veggie only.

[QUOTE=SamCan;1617288]During the week 1000 works. On the weekend, the girls try for 1500 but 1000 works for most of them.[/QUOTE]Hi,

Just a quick report on my trip to Shanghai 2 weeks ago. Arrived mid afternoon on Friday, stayed at the Swissotel, close to the Jing An temple. Had dinner Friday night at Windows Too (next door to the hotel) - burger & beer. Inexpensive and OK. No real action at 9:30 PM.

Went to Judy's first. Arrived at 10:45 - and it was crowded. Girls outnumbered guys. And available for takeout. Had a beer- nothing interested me. So went to Manhatten. Very crowded. Lots of women from Vietnam. Surprised that they only serve beer in bottles now? Same price too. Not a good sign. Found a short spinner from Hanoi. Negotiated 1,600 RMB for LT (8 AM) - left at 12:30 AM to the hotel. First time this happened. Girl asked for money upfront. I refused of course. But she was persistent- never happened to me before. I offered her 20 RMB for taxi back to Manhatten. Eventually she agreed to be paid in the morning. GREAT session - & great wake-up sex at 7. Overall, very good experience. Except surprised by the request for upfront payment.

Saturday. Had dinner at Malones. Went to Manhatten, not intending to bring anyone back. But saw an increadibly big breasted (but slim) girl from Ho Chi Minh City. And she was very playful! Thought she would be fun in bed, so settled on 1,000 RMB for ST (could not have had LT 2 nights in a row. Bad to get old), off to the hotel. Got to the room, undressed, she refused to let me help (warning! But OK. Seeing those tits made me very horny. She asked to be paid in advance. Not this again! We joked about it for a while. And she said that she had not been paid a couple of times & insisted. I pulled out a 50 (smallest I had) - and told her to get dressed & leave. Argued for a while. I just got dressed & said I would walk her back as I wanted someone else. She got halfway dressed & reconsidered. And I made a mistake. I agreed to continue with her. I know why she did not get paid. She refused any kissing or any foreplay, just short BBBJ & condom & started in CG. No touching. We had a discussion about ST. I said it is one pop. But up to 2 hours. She said no way. Just one pop. And if she can make it happen in 15 minutes that was it. I was pissed. Finally just moved her to mish & went to release. Not a good session. And I should have stopped long before & sent her on her way. My mistake. I paid her. Told her she was lucky I was a fool. Told her what the deal was for long & ST. She argued both. She left.

I have never had this mis-understanding before. It was always clear what the 2 meant. I always 'interview' when I am in the FKK to make sure I get a good session in FKK in Europe. Never had to in the 4 years I have been going to Manhatten. Will start for sure.

Moved out to Caohejing Hi Tech Park (Warner Hotel) Sunday. Tuesday night went to Xinyuping Spa near hotel. Always a great session. 1 hour 45 min, 1,000 RMB for top level.

Learned a lot in this trip with the ST session. What have you guys experienced? Was my prior 10 times just lucky and ST & LT are open for interpretation? Our is this a change?

Will

[QUOTE=Willa1;1629542]Hi,

.

Moved out to Caohejing Hi Tech Park (Warner Hotel) Sunday. Tuesday night went to Xinyuping Spa near hotel. Always a great session. 1 hour 45 min, 1,000 RMB for top level.

Learned a lot in this trip with the ST session. What have you guys experienced? Was my prior 10 times just lucky and ST & LT are open for interpretation? Our is this a change?

Will[/QUOTE]I noticed this last time I was at Manhattans. The girls were saying "1000 , one time" . They used to say 1000 for 2 hours (about a year ago). I would ask how many pops in 2 hours? They would say "up to you".

I guess it is inflation. I have teased a few and talked them into more than one pop before I left the bar. They don't always remember back at the hotel though.

[QUOTE=Willa1;1629542]Hi,

Just a quick report on my trip to Shanghai 2 weeks ago. Arrived mid afternoon on Friday, stayed at the Swissotel, close to the Jing An temple. Had dinner Friday night at Windows Too (next door to the hotel) - burger & beer. Inexpensive and OK. No real action at 9:30 PM.

Went to Judy's first. Arrived at 10:45 - and it was crowded. Girls outnumbered guys. And available for takeout. Had a beer- nothing interested me. So went to Manhatten. Very crowded. Lots of women from Vietnam. Surprised that they only serve beer in bottles now? Same price too. Not a good sign. Found a short spinner from Hanoi. Negotiated 1,600 RMB for LT (8 AM) - left at 12:30 AM to the hotel. First time this happened. Girl asked for money upfront. I refused of course. But she was persistent- never happened to me before. I offered her 20 RMB for taxi back to Manhatten. Eventually she agreed to be paid in the morning. GREAT session - & great wake-up sex at 7. Overall, very good experience. Except surprised by the request for upfront payment.

Saturday. Had dinner at Malones. Went to Manhatten, not intending to bring anyone back. But saw an increadibly big breasted (but slim) girl from Ho Chi Minh City..[/QUOTE]Good review Willa1.

The first red flag for me would be that she is Vietnamese. I love viet woman look wise but hate their crap. Now especially with viet woman if you two can communicate I would go into details what I expect and what are her rules.

[QUOTE=TomSf;1629740]Good review Willa1.

The first red flag for me would be that she is Vietnamese. I love viet woman look wise but hate their crap. Now especially with viet woman if you two can communicate I would go into details what I expect and what are her rules.[/QUOTE]I have been to Shanghai 2 X per year for the past 4 years now. Used to be able to get a good Filipino, or a Chinese local. But in the past 2.5 years all I seem to run into are Viets at Manhatten. And have not had this problem in the previous 8-9 takeouts with Vietnamese. So I have learned. Things change. And I need to change with them. Still great to be able to interact with the girl before leaving, so will continue to use Manhatten until something better comes along. Will also get the terms of the agreement firm up front from now on.

Will

I searched up Hongmei Lu and there are some old posts in the forum about it. Has anyone been there recently? Looking for a HE MP place where FIV might be available. I was walking around Laowai jie one night and noticed a number of places.

I tried New Massage Club and it was pretty decent. Had the same experience as those that previously posted.

Yes things seem to change at Manhattan.

Since about 3 years I pick girls at this place. Mostly good experiences.

Here the best once:

In spring 2013 I met a girl from Hanoi. Very nice, trained body (every day some sport), College degree (Design), no smoke, no drinking, family first (hers and mine), English conversation ok. During my stay (4 weeks) I took her to my place a couple of times and we enjoyed each other very much. In autumn 2013 she was back to Hanoi I send a message that I come to Shanghai. She flew in and again we had a very good time not only in bed but also went for dinner, visiting temple etc. I have to confess that I fell in love. Yes I know what a fool!

After I've been back to Europe we exchanged some messages. After a while she stopped answering me. I know she was more clever and responsible than me. She just knew that we both have our obligations and that there will be no common future for us.

In spring this year I stayed again for about 5 weeks in Shanghai. I met another girl from Hanoi at Manhattan. Also College degree (Pharmaceutics) and good English. She was so inexperienced that I wonder how she could do the job. She was pretty frank about this (maybe to warn me). But I told her that I could teach her some lessons. On we went to my place. In dead she didn't know much so I trained her showing and presenting her body, kissing, blowing, riding the dick, how to reach a mutual orgasm etc. I think it was in total "4 lessons" and we had great time and fun. She was a natural talent!! The bad thing was that she obvious fell a little bit in love to me. Her last words before I went to the airport: "You take a piece of my heard with you". I was quite embarrassed and told her that I never intended this. She gave me her Mail address but it didn't work.

With this experience in background, I've been to Shanghai and Manhattan during September. Many beautiful Viet girls like always. But I could not find one with education. I don't mind WG working at home in nail studio, hair salon or massage place. But this time I was focused on girls having good conversational skills being more a real partner. But no way! Quite disappointing.

So this is my first appraisal: no educated girls any more.

Also the issue of money changed. They try to raise their income (1500ST, 2000 LT) and I also was asked to pay in advance (what I refused, heavy arguing).

One girl left my room very angry because she demanded me to pay 1500 for ST (two come) what I refused (1000 for ST, 100 for taxi). I told her the price the evening before.

Another girl told me she only do LT and take 2000 or more. I instantly stopped talking to her and looked for another one.

So this is my second appraisal: It's getting less fun because of all this money talk and bargaining. How to get a friendly atmosphere and a pleasure experience when always arguing? So fellow monger stand firm: 1000ST and 1500 LT is OK.

Next time I may think about going back to sauna places. It's cheaper and prices are fixed.

For the shabby mongers;.

I found a row of low end window girl shops at Hongsong east road, not too far from Xxujiahui. The girls will wave at you when you walk on the sidewalk and you can check them out through the window. The girls are mostly early to mid twenties and you can find a cute one.

The service is very basic, after you choose the girl you go to the improvised rooms in the back of the shop. The girl will take off her panty show her pussy and start sucking yr dick. Sucking to completion cost 200 rmb, if you also want to fuck her you have to pay 100 extra totaling a whopping 300 rmb to empty yr balls.

I found this strip of window prostitution funny cause it reminds me of my home country. LOL.

Regards,

Cgholland

For the shabby mongers;.

I found a row of low end window girl shops at Hongsong east road, not too far from Xxujiahui. The girls will wave at you when you walk on the sidewalk and you can check them out through the window. The girls are mostly early to mid twenties and you can find a cute one.

The service is very basic, after you choose the girl you go to the improvised rooms in the back of the shop. The girl will take off her panty show her pussy and start sucking yr dick. Sucking to completion cost 200 rmb, if you also want to fuck her you have to pay 100 extra totaling a whopping 300 rmb to empty yr balls.

I found this strip of window prostitution funny cause it reminds me of my home country. LOL.

Some years ago there was one BBS close to Wanhangdu lu in Jingan, next door to the 1808 Bejing lu massage place. The sign said "Luxury Hair Washing" The shop had the revolving barber shop device. I went in once to ask for the price. 300 rob. It was too blatant and did not stay open very long。.

Thanks cgHolland for your post. 200 for BBBJ sounds great.

[QUOTE=RedRider;1629358]Veggie only.[/QUOTE]River IWW opened after the 2010 Expo following closure of their old location further down the bund.

Tony used to run a pretty good operation with "skills girls" at a premium.

They are owned by a HK group that has other locations on the back side of town. They always had more problems with the authorities for this reason. That, in comparison to Sacrosa and Heting Elite which are owned by the same guy from Shanghai.

If you want to spend about 1200 RMB on a nice environment with a server system, go to Baom Hotel Sauna on 4th floor (not the KTV -- it's on the other floor.).

Place was remodeled with a ton of money spent on it.

Ask the manager to print the numbers of the girls on duty after you change clothes. They have a counter inside near the sitting area. Once the numbers are printed act like you forgot a particular girl. Pick two numbers and ask to see them. They will put both in a room and then you pick. I have known the manager there many years. After a while HE will really take care of you a arrange the best ones for you. Expensive yes. But a nice environment. Three girls from there through the years -- from Harbin -- we're some of the best I've seen.

Looking for mature (30+) massage girls. Recommendations?

HangSeng;1630780]Looking for mature (30+) massage girls. Recommendations.

I like #10 at 250 YuYuan Road and #6 at 1808 Beijing Road, both very close to Jingan Temple and only a block apart. 268 house fee for oil massage.

[QUOTE=Applecrate;1630518]River IWW opened after the 2010 Expo following closure of their old location further down the bund.

Tony used to run a pretty good operation with "skills girls" at a premium.

They are owned by a HK group that has other locations on the back side of town. They always had more problems with the authorities for this reason. That, in comparison to Sacrosa and Heting Elite which are owned by the same guy from Shanghai.

If you want to spend about 1200 RMB on a nice environment with a server system, go to Baom Hotel Sauna on 4th floor (not the KTV -- it's on the other floor.).

Place was remodeled with a ton of money spent on it.

Ask the manager to print the numbers of the girls on duty after you change clothes. They have a counter inside near the sitting area. Once the numbers are printed act like you forgot a particular girl. Pick two numbers and ask to see them. They will put both in a room and then you pick. I have known the manager there many years. After a while HE will really take care of you a arrange the best ones for you. Expensive yes. But a nice environment. Three girls from there through the years -- from Harbin -- we're some of the best I've seen.[/QUOTE]Do you mean Baoan Hotel Sauna in Pudong?

[QUOTE=Applecrate;1630518]

If you want to spend about 1200 RMB on a nice environment with a server system, go to Baom Hotel Sauna on 4th floor (not the KTV -- it's on the other floor.).[/QUOTE]Do you mean Baoan hotel?

Jb.

[QUOTE=HangSeng;1630780]Looking for mature (30+) massage girls. Recommendations?[/QUOTE]Just like everywhere man, the real challenge these days is finding 18-22 YO's. Over 30's dime a dozen.

You can try craiglist. Post an advertisement and see.

[QUOTE=MaxTune;1595369]Anybody can help where can I find pregnant ladies for the weekend?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JohnnyAchan;1630878]Do you mean Baoan Hotel Sauna in Pudong?[/QUOTE]Yep Baoan.

End of last last November they were still completing the renovation.

Should be long done by now.

Trick there is to know the manager and / or get the print out of available girls from the inside counter.

If you go there often enough, you will see lots of hot girls roaming the halls that never seem to get assigned to "you".

No surprises that the best are in reserve, and some have "anaconda fear syndrome" (AFS) of western guys.

It helps a lot if you can speak Chinese- in that case many of the girls are available for takeout.

By the way, you can also go there and relax with a really great foot massage as they have quite a few foot massage girls.

And. The foot massage girls also are "authorized" to offer to play "5 against 1" (handjobs). If you request this, then they will shift from the main big seating area to smaller private rooms.

Ultimate score is to ger a really hot foot girl, have her play "5 against 1" , really hit it off with her, and then arrange for dinner and extras. Takes a little work, but well worth it.

[QUOTE=Applecrate;1631132]Yep Baoan.

End of last last November they were still completing the renovation.

Should be long done by now.

Trick there is to know the manager and / or get the print out of available girls from the inside counter.[/QUOTE]Suppose you get the print out numbers. How do you know which you like or you do not like without see in person? Any suggestion?

Thanks.

JB.

[QUOTE=Applecrate;1631132]Yep Baoan.

End of last last November they were still completing the renovation.

Should be long done by now.

Trick there is to know the manager and / or get the print out of available girls from the inside counter.

If you go there often enough, you will see lots of hot girls roaming the halls that never seem to get assigned to "you".

No surprises that the best are in reserve, and some have "anaconda fear syndrome" (AFS) of western guys.

It helps a lot if you can speak Chinese- in that case many of the girls are available for takeout.

By the way, you can also go there and relax with a really great foot massage as they have quite a few foot massage girls.

And. The foot massage girls also are "authorized" to offer to play "5 against 1" (handjobs). If you request this, then they will shift from the main big seating area to smaller private rooms.

Ultimate score is to ger a really hot foot girl, have her play "5 against 1" , really hit it off with her, and then arrange for dinner and extras. Takes a little work, but well worth it.[/QUOTE]Used to love this at Waves. What is the damage for foot massage 5 v1?

[QUOTE=Changlelu;1628458]Noticed that next to Camel Bar on Weifang Lu (near Pudong Nan Lu) there are two (sports) bars: 'One Way Street' and 'Jolly Dragon', with ample female staff (incl. Hot matures). Does anyone know if these girls only serve drinks (at normal prices) or are there other services on / off premises. Clients consist mainly of foreigners, so I was wondering if these are girlie bars since the girls often hang out outside like on Changyi Lu. Thanks.[/QUOTE]I know a couple of girls from both these bars. And I suppose the answer is yes; other services are available. Drinks are a little pricey but not extortionate.

The girls are not out-and-out hookers so there would need to be some level of mutual attraction. I also understand that the bar will take a cut of the fee.

[QUOTE=Applecrate;1631132]Yep Baoan.

End of last last November they were still completing the renovation.

Should be long done by now.

Trick there is to know the manager and / or get the print out of available girls from the inside counter.

If you go there often enough, you will see lots of hot girls roaming the halls that never seem to get assigned to "you".

No surprises that the best are in reserve, and some have "anaconda fear syndrome" (AFS) of western guys.

It helps a lot if you can speak Chinese- in that case many of the girls are available for takeout.

By the way, you can also go there and relax with a really great foot massage as they have quite a few foot massage girls.

And. The foot massage girls also are "authorized" to offer to play "5 against 1" (handjobs). If you request this, then they will shift from the main big seating area to smaller private rooms.

Ultimate score is to ger a really hot foot girl, have her play "5 against 1" , really hit it off with her, and then arrange for dinner and extras. Takes a little work, but well worth it.[/QUOTE]Got all excited about the foot massage option, hoofed it over today. Concierge says the sauna has been closed for almost one month and no word if and when it will open. I assume sauna referenced here as "Baoan Sauna" is the one in the hotel and not somewhere nearby.

Anyone know where the above mentioned foot massage option might be found?

Heading to Shanghai next week. Any good Spa's or pick up bars on the bund near Penninsula Hotel or Nanjing road?

Any recommendations for a massage gal at Wanhandu Rd in Jingan who does BBBJ and DATY or allows FIV during the session. Send me a PM.

Last night discovered in North part of Shanghai some BBS shops with girls in really sexy lingerie such as black corsets and sexy secretary glasses. Did not have time to venture in, but plan to Tomorrow night. If anyone is up for trying what looks like something new in Shanghai, shoot me a PM and let's take one for the team!!

I'll share address details via PM but will report back after the experience.

BL

You really should read the forum and you will find these answers but being in a helpful mood, I will highlight some places:

Massages: 1808 Beijing Road and YuYuan road (I think the address is 250). Both are near the temple. Then there are several and Shanxi Road North. They have been written about but I have never been.

Spa: The best one is in the knock of mart. Fend Ding Wan or something like that. It's on Nanjing Road near People's Park.

Pick up bars: WG hang out at these bars. Check the recent posts for long-term and short-term. They are all on or near Tongren Lu and Nanjing Road, right near the Portman Ritz Carlton and Kerry Center. Malones is an irish pub. A Phillpino cover band plays there on weekends. They play good classic Rock & Roll. Older WG and some locals hang out there. Judy's is across Nanjing Road. WG hang out there as well, some locals, some Viets and a mix. Finally, the biggest is Manhattan which is right off of Tongren Lu. It gets busy 11 PM on weekends. Lots of Viets there, some Thai, some LB. Try all 3 as they are within a 5 minute walk of each other.

There are also some bars at Xintindi where you can pick up women. I have never been there but read about Paulanders and some others.

Happy hunting and post some reviews.

AL.

[QUOTE=Sik007;1632518]Heading to Shanghai next week. Any good Spa's or pick up bars on the bund near Penninsula Hotel or Nanjing road?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Beijing4987;1632692]Any recommendations for a massage gal at Wanhandu Rd in Jingan who does BBBJ and DATY or allows FIV during the session. Send me a PM.[/QUOTE]I am not all that experienced and only been to Shanghai once but had a most amazing time at Bodi spa, entrance is to the left of the entrance to the Bodi hotel, right off some highway, can't miss it. 880 RMB. Hot tub, steam room, sauna, beer, women. I still think of Miss 965!

[QUOTE=Blacklisted;1632866]Last night discovered in North part of shanghai some BBS shops with girls in really sexy lingerie such as black corsets and sexy secretary glasses. Did not have time to venture in, but plan to Tomorrow night. If anyone is up for trying what looks like something new in Shanghai, shoot me a PM and let's take one for the team!!

I'll share address details via PM but will report back after the experience.

BL.[/QUOTE]Northern Shanghai is quite a big place, I would appreciate await your info.

The Buddha parlour girls are dressed in flimsy lingerie.

Fz.

[QUOTE=Fuzimiao;1633090]Northern Shanghai is quite a big place, I would appreciate await your info.

The Buddha parlour girls are dressed in flimsy lingerie.

Fz.[/QUOTE]Could someone provide me with the name and address of the Buddha parlor near the Jing'An Temple?

Thanks!

[QUOTE=JohnnyAchan;1633184]Could someone provide me with the name and address of the Buddha parlor near the Jing'An Temple?

Thanks![/QUOTE]At the intersection of Changping Lu and Shaanxi Lu, walk west along Changping Lu, about 100 mtrs, the parlour is on the right, the North side of Changping Lu, set back behind a car park. Easy to identify the ground floor window is a giant illuminated Buddha face.

Fz.

Sam! Please clear your PM box.

BJ.

Is still the place to be, especially if you are only few days in town, speak no Chinese and won't take chances.

Went there almost every weekday. Crowded far after midnight. Many 5-6, but few stunners with passion. Took XiXi (back to the Hilton, she registered at check-in. No extra fee. I got BBBJ and more for 50 USD. Wouldn't get this at home anywhere in the states.

[QUOTE=Bmvb13;1634243]Is still the place to be, especially if you are only few days in town, speak no Chinese and won't take chances.

Went there almost every weekday. Crowded far after midnight. Many 5-6, but few stunners with passion. Took XiXi (back to the Hilton, she registered at check-in. No extra fee. I got BBBJ and more for 50 USD. Wouldn't get this at home anywhere in the states.[/QUOTE]Where is this? I've been in SH for about a month now, but I haven't really done much.

[QUOTE=HangSeng;1634313]Where is this? I've been in SH for about a month now, but I haven't really done much.[/QUOTE]154 Nanyang Road, near Xikang Road and Tongren Lu.

Bo Di is the amazing. Took 2 girls last time (1400) I was there. Nice line up of beauties to chose from. If your not Asia, they only give BJ's and HJ's to non Asians though from what my 2 girls told me.

[QUOTE=SimonWagstaff;1632975]I am not all that experienced and only been to Shanghai once but had a most amazing time at Bodi spa, entrance is to the left of the entrance to the Bodi hotel, right off some highway, can't miss it. 880 RMB. Hot tub, steam room, sauna, beer, women. I still think of Miss 965![/QUOTE]

There are plenty of QQ groups with QQ girls hanging out there.

[QUOTE=GeoffreyFirmin;1627443]Are QQ and Wechat dead ends for meeting ST girls? I used to get offers a couple times a week on wechat, but nothing in months. I'm looking for some not-so-westernized Chinese girls to spend some time with.[/QUOTE]

Gentlemen,

I'm looking to meet other dudes who want to go out to clubs and search for freebies, generally along the lines ShangHangin laid out in this post: [URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?945-East-China-Shanghai&p=1614089&viewfull=1#post1614089[/URL].

I've lived in Shanghai and Beijing for 8 years, have enjoyed myself at times with all the various P4 P options but recently I'm less interested in P4 P and prefer to meet girls at bars, clubs, WeChat, P1, etc. They're better looking and it's just a better overall experience. Plus I'll have my whole life to pay for sex once I'm too old to get it any other way.

The trouble is that as I get older most of my friends are married or just too tired and lame to go out clubbing. So I'm looking for guys who want to go out for drinks and hunting. I'm up for slumming at places like Perry's, Helen's, Windows or high end like M1 NT, Muse, Bund places, hotel bars. What I like most recently is the mid-range clubs like Seventh Floor, Myst, and a fairly new place I went to last night called Linx.

I'm American, unmarried, speak good Chinese, early 30's but can pass for mid / late 20's. I won't discriminate on age but looking for guys who are comfortable in a see-and-be-seen environment. I go to a club with the mentality of enjoying myself with friends, try to meet girls, get their numbers, if I can bring one home that's great, but if we just get some phone numbers and have a fun night out and enjoy the music, that's great too.

Send me PM if you want to go out sometime, maybe get a bigger group together and buy a table somewhere. In my opinion buying a table is a good investment, much easier to meet girls if you have one and also just a better time, and not so expensive if you have a decent sized group and plan to buy 4-5 drinks anyway.

[QUOTE=Stinkyfeet;1615494]Pm me your wechat. I'll give you a hot contact.[/QUOTE]

I was at shanghai last month for a week and went to the s2 club. Found a view, about 30 yo (she claimed 24 though: and got her for 1000ST. SHE was ok, not hot. Servicee was excellent though. In fact she got a bit too horny once in hotel. she enjoyed herself and did have her orgasm. Went again next day, but did not find any hottie, just the average 6-7's.

I am again in Shanghai next week and would like to have a hottie with me for night and if I like like her, then even for the day after. Any clues / guidance will help. Note that I have done the RTFF and have been using the pointers to score, but it takes time to find a gem, as we know ;)


AG.

[QUOTE=Bmvb13;1634243]Is still the place to be, especially if you are only few days in town, speak no Chinese and won't take chances.

Went there almost every weekday. Crowded far after midnight. Many 5-6, but few stunners with passion. Took XiXi (back to the Hilton, she registered at check-in. No extra fee. I got BBBJ and more for 50 USD. Wouldn't get this at home anywhere in the states.[/QUOTE]That is nice to know. , I am in Shanghai next weeks nod would report my finds.

[QUOTE=TommyGoat;1616788]If you're looking for the best clubs and bars for mongering then you need to go when it's ladies night. They get free drinks just for turning up and looking good (no complaints). I like Sasha's on a Wednesday night (French Concession). The dancing girls are happy to pour Tequila down your neck and it's harder to avoid the working girls than it is to pick one up. warning: watch out for the pickpockets outside![/QUOTE]Could'nt agree more. I also do the same and enjoy the atmosphere and the FUN at clubs.

[QUOTE=AsianGeek;1634623]That is nice to know. , I am in Shanghai next weeks nod would report my finds.[/QUOTE]I doubt you will get anything for 50 bucks in Manhatten. Cheapest ever me or any of my friends got a girl out of there was 900 RMB but that was 3 years ago when I still lived there.

The girls outside on the street maybe going with you for 50.

Buy own, considering how expensive Shanghai got I assume 1500 RMB and up.

[QUOTE=Osuul;1634690]I doubt you will get anything for 50 bucks in Manhatten. Cheapest ever me or any of my friends got a girl out of there was 900 RMB but that was 3 years ago when I still lived there.

The girls outside on the street maybe going with you for 50.

Buy own, considering how expensive Shanghai got I assume 1500 RMB and up.[/QUOTE]Thanks mate. Point noted and will keep in mind while doing the negotiation. Wast his LT?

[QUOTE=Gaoshou;1634506]Gentlemen,

I'm looking to meet other dudes who want to go out to clubs and search for freebies, generally along the lines ShangHangin laid out in this post: [URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?945-East-China-Shanghai&p=1614089&viewfull=1#post1614089[/URL].

I've lived in Shanghai and Beijing for 8 years, have enjoyed myself at times with all the various P4 P options but recently I'm less interested in P4 P and prefer to meet girls at bars, clubs, WeChat, P1, etc. They're better looking and it's just a better overall experience. Plus I'll have my whole life to pay for sex once I'm too old to get it any other way.

The trouble is that as I get older most of my friends are married or just too tired and lame to go out clubbing. So I'm looking for guys who want to go out for drinks and hunting. I'm up for slumming at places like Perry's, Helen's, Windows or high end like M1 NT, Muse, Bund places, hotel bars. What I like most recently is the mid-range clubs like Seventh Floor, Myst, and a fairly new place I went to last night called Linx..[/QUOTE]Hey,

Just curious, as a westerner, what made you want to move to China? Work? Family?

If work, what industry are you in?

I'm looking to make the transition as well but seeing as I'm still rather young. Finding a USA company to station me in China isn't too easy.

[QUOTE=AsianGeek;1634719]Thanks mate. Point noted and will keep in mind while doing the negotiation. Wast his LT?[/QUOTE]Yup. 50 bucks sounds like total bull. I was there last week and girls were firm on 2 k for LT. Even a girl hanging out outside quoted that price.

ST was 12000. But could probably get it for 1 K.

Happy hunting!

P.S.: I'm in town for the next couple of weeks so feel free to drop me a PM if you're looking for a wing.

Tried out Manhattan last Tuesday night. This was more of a scouting trip, since I had to get up early the next morning to go on a "school field trip" to the provinces. I will be in Shanghai for a few weeks so I am gathering my strength and biding my time, as Deng Xiaoping would say.

I arrived at the club with a coworker who has been there before and knows how things work. HE only stayed for one drink then left me to my devices. The place was pretty packed for a Tuesday night. Lots of pretty girls. 7's and 8's abounded. Though not that many super stunners. Almost all Viet from what I could tell.

I got accosted by a cute lttle thing form the get go. But I wanted to see how things worked first before committing. SO I politely excused myself. Also a bad sign that she immediately started talking abtou "spending the night". After my fiend left I made a couple of laps around the club to find an ideal target. Along the way I ran into an absolute stunner. She had a huge natural rack and curves to die for. Extremely cute face. Mee "24" from Vietnam.

Mee was very friendly and we chatted and danced for a while no mention of business. We even made out a little though she stopped me after a few minutes saying she was "shy". She asked if I wanted to take her and informed me that the price was 500 RMB for all night. I said this was too much and countered with 1200 and she went down to 2000 K. I said this was still too much and we left the subject for the time being. I kept ordering her drinks and HE kept getting more wasted. We moved to a corner of the bar and started makign out more intensely. She let her hands roam all over her lucous boobies and she rubbed my dick through my pants. She told me my kisses were making her horny.

I thought I was getting her drunk enough so that she would lower her price. She was damned hot and I was willing to play. Plus she seemed to be into it and I thought chances for a GFE were there for sure. After a while she asked me if I had decided I replied lets go for 1500 LT. She straightened up and said that this was too little and held firm at 2 K. With a regretful look on my face I said it was too much, and to my surprise, she just got up and left.

I sat in the corer figuring that if I bided my time she would eventually cave to my price and I'd swoop in and get her at the end of the night. In the meantime another Viet girl came up to me and started grinding on me as I sat. Also pretty cute, but not in Mee's league. A different look: taller and lither. She let me feel up HE nice firm be cups. Not bad. But I kept an eye out for Mee nonetheless.

Well it must have been about 10 minutes later that I spotted her leaving with another punter. Damn that was quick! But I should not have been surprised. Mee was very hot: a strong 8 approaching 9 in my book.

Same story with the other girl. Some fondling and kissing but she would not budget at 2 K. And she was pretty pissed when I told her I could not go at that price too.

Left the club and spotted another cutie outside. Just for info asked her her price and she also wanted 2 K for LT. Damn it seems like the standard here. That's nearly 5 nights of L. T. s with F. L. s in Pattaya!

Well I wasn't' ready to pay 2 K that night. But I probably will at least once while I am here. Just for the experience. In the meantime I am on the hunt for more affordable options.

Stay horny my friends.

Uncle-V.

[QUOTE=Gaoshou;1634506]Gentlemen,

I'm looking to meet other dudes who want to go out to clubs and search for freebies, generally along the lines ShangHangin laid out in this post: [URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?945-East-China-Shanghai&p=1614089&viewfull=1#post1614089[/URL].

I've lived in Shanghai and Beijing for 8 years, have enjoyed myself at times with all the various P4 P options but recently I'm less interested in P4 P and prefer to meet girls at bars, clubs, WeChat, P1, etc. They're better looking and it's just a better overall experience. Plus I'll have my whole life to pay for sex once I'm too old to get it any other way.

The trouble is that as I get older most of my friends are married or just too tired and lame to go out clubbing. So I'm looking for guys who want to go out for drinks and hunting. I'm up for slumming at places like Perry's, Helen's, Windows or high end like M1 NT, Muse, Bund places, hotel bars. What I like most recently is the mid-range clubs like Seventh Floor, Myst, and a fairly new place I went to last night called Linx.

I'm American, unmarried, speak good Chinese, early 30's but can pass for mid / late 20's. I won't discriminate on age but looking for guys who are comfortable in a see-and-be-seen environment. I go to a club with the mentality of enjoying myself with friends, try to meet girls, get their numbers, if I can bring one home that's great, but if we just get some phone numbers and have a fun night out and enjoy the music, that's great too.

Send me PM if you want to go out sometime, maybe get a bigger group together and buy a table somewhere. In my opinion buying a table is a good investment, much easier to meet girls if you have one and also just a better time, and not so expensive if you have a decent sized group and plan to buy 4-5 drinks anyway.[/QUOTE]Will be in shanghai this week and would be great if we can party together. PM me your contact.

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[QUOTE=Phazze93;1634898]Hey,

Just curious, as a westerner, what made you want to move to China? Work? Family?

If work, what industry are you in?

I'm looking to make the transition as well but seeing as I'm still rather young. Finding a USA company to station me in China isn't too easy.[/QUOTE]I came out here without a job but intending to study Chinese and then get a job. That's basically how it turned out. I've had various different jobs, mostly doing research on the economy and investment strategy. Things in China are less wide open than they were when I arrived, it's not as easy to just show up and find something, there are more foreigners, more of them speak Chinese, more competition. But it's still possible, especially if you already have decent work experience from back home.

[QUOTE=Gaoshou;1635351]I came out here without a job but intending to study Chinese and then get a job. That's basically how it turned out. I've had various different jobs, mostly doing research on the economy and investment strategy. Things in China are less wide open than they were when I arrived, it's not as easy to just show up and find something, there are more foreigners, more of them speak Chinese, more competition. But it's still possible, especially if you already have decent work experience from back home.[/QUOTE]O I see. By "foreigners speak Chinese" how would you rate their Chinese level at, from 1-10? 10 being native fluency.

I'm basically an American born Chinese / Taiwanese but I can speak Mandarin fluently without much of an accent. But it seems most of the USA, China based jobs are reserved for upper mid-senior level positions.

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya]
Well I wasn't' ready to pay 2 K that night. But I probably will at least once while I am here. Just for the experience. In the meantime I am on the hunt for more affordable options.

Uncle-V.[/QUOTE]2 K yikes! I hope this is not the new standard. I was there end Sept early Oct during the holiday and was able to pull a pretty Viet Hien, for 1000 LT. I attributed that to the fact that it was totally dead over the National Holiday week. I was even offered a Duo for 1500. I only declined cause I find that they are rarely worth it on Manhattan hook ups. At 2 K.

I am definitely out. Rather spend 700-800 at a decent sauna.

I'll be going to Shanghai in about a month. I've read reports that the sauna in the Merrylin in Pudong is closed. Is this still true?

[QUOTE=ChuckleOne;1635453]2 K yikes! I hope this is not the new standard. I was there end Sept early Oct during the holiday and was able to pull a pretty Viet Hien, for 1000 LT. I attributed that to the fact that it was totally dead over the National Holiday week. I was even offered a Duo for 1500. I only declined cause I find that they are rarely worth it on Manhattan hook ups. At 2 K.

I am definitely out. Rather spend 700-800 at a decent sauna.[/QUOTE]Yup. That price is ridiculous. To put it in perspective I just had 6 high quality shirts tailor made for me at the South Bund Fabric market for 700 RMB. They would probably make 20 shirts for me for 2 K.

Chuckle, can you recommend a few good Saunas for someone that doesn't speak Chinese. And please don't say RTFF. I am asking for a personal rec.

Stay horny my friend.

Uncle-V.

[QUOTE=Blacklisted;1632866]Last night discovered in North part of shanghai some BBS shops with girls in really sexy lingerie such as black corsets and sexy secretary glasses. Did not have time to venture in, but plan to Tomorrow night. If anyone is up for trying what looks like something new in Shanghai, shoot me a PM and let's take one for the team!!

I'll share address details via PM but will report back after the experience.

BL.[/QUOTE]Went to this place on the weekend and the whole vibe of the street had changed. From a changping like atmosphere to normal Shanghai. The first visit there were also about 5 mamas out looking for clientele for hidden BBS. I did not check this out.

Second visit I ventured into the lingerie shops and was hit with a 'what the fuck are you doing here' look from the girls. They had also changed out of the wonderful outfits to normal BBS wear. Albeit still sexy. I pointed at one and she said 400 - up front.

Being slightly tipsy I reluctantly agreed as she was very attractive and looked about 19, make up, the full deal. She looked surprised and gave a sly wink to her girlfriends. Then she asked if I had been drinking on the way to the room. I said 'yes' and she said 'only 20 minutes, but you can buy another session if you need.

This, coupled with the already high price and attitude kind of killed it for me. I said I'd changed my mind, turned and asked for my money back, then left.

What a disappointment!

On the way back I did stumble on the usual 'discount' massage places and hit one of these up for a fantastic experience with a Wenzhou girl, also about 19, super hot and up for anything. 1 hour - 200 Kuai.

The place is about 200 meters west of the BBS's.

PM If you need address details.

I'm also hitting up Shanghai Guide for a KTV session if anyone wants to join in. Been a while!!

[QUOTE=Phazze93;1635363]O I see. By "foreigners speak Chinese" how would you rate their Chinese level at, from 1-10? 10 being native fluency.

I'm basically an American born Chinese / Taiwanese but I can speak Mandarin fluently without much of an accent. But it seems most of the USA, China based jobs are reserved for upper mid-senior level positions.[/QUOTE]Hi Phazze, was reading thru your posts; you're a young guy just out of university, kudos. Plenty of opportunities in China, but without any real work experience, you need to ask yourself why would a western company spend a lot of money to make you an expat when they could hire a native chinese for a fraction of the cost and at a fraction of the risk? What is it you bring to the table? Your competition isn't older and more experienced USA people, it's local Chinese grads. That's just general advice; there are all kinds of exceptions.

Last thing. Dude, you are 23. The world is your oyster. You don't need to pay money to get laid; that's for old lazy farts such as myself.

There is what I presume a massage parlor on Siping Road. Just a bit past the family mart next to the station exit outside of the KFC. Does anyone know anything about it?

[QUOTE=HangSeng;1636176]There is what I presume a massage parlor on siping road. Just a bit past the family mart next to the station exit outside of the KFC. Does anyone know anything about it?[/QUOTE]3 posts, all 3 ask questions. Here's an idea, why don't you check it out and report back to the forum, instead of asking others to do the work?

[QUOTE=LaoMa;1636423]3 posts, all 3 ask questions. Here's an idea, why don't you check it out and report back to the forum, instead of asking others to do the work?[/QUOTE]I'm new to all of this.

[QUOTE=Gaoshou;1634506]Gentlemen,

I'm looking to meet other dudes who want to go out to clubs and search for freebies, generally along the lines ShangHangin laid out in this post: [URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?945-East-China-Shanghai&p=1614089&viewfull=1#post1614089[/URL].

I've lived in Shanghai and Beijing for 8 years, have enjoyed myself at times with all the various P4 P options but recently I'm less interested in P4 P and prefer to meet girls at bars, clubs, WeChat, P1, etc. They're better looking and it's just a better overall experience. Plus I'll have my whole life to pay for sex once I'm too old to get it any other way.

The trouble is that as I get older most of my friends are married or just too tired and lame to go out clubbing. So I'm looking for guys who want to go out for drinks and hunting. I'm up for slumming at places like Perry's, Helen's, Windows or high end like M1 NT, Muse, Bund places, hotel bars...[/QUOTE]Do you mind PM me your wechat or number?

Cheers!

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[QUOTE=LaoMa;1635778]Hi Phazze, was reading thru your posts; you're a young guy just out of university, kudos. Plenty of opportunities in China, but without any real work experience, you need to ask yourself why would a western company spend a lot of money to make you an expat when they could hire a native chinese for a fraction of the cost and at a fraction of the risk? What is it you bring to the table? Your competition isn't older and more experienced USA people, it's local Chinese grads. That's just general advice; there are all kindsof exceptions.

Last thing. Dude, you are 23. The world is your oyster. You don't need to pay money to get laid; that's for old lazy farts such as myself.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the response.

P4P isn't my first choice. But for these super short trips, I really don't mind. Its really just a personal preference. I either want a real relationship or none at all, and P4P is the closest thing.

As for work, I completely understand your perspective. Its crossed my mind many times as I've been searching for work.

My advantages are extremely significant but I guess it really just depends on the company. Just hoping to find those "exceptions" .

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;1635027]Yup. 50 bucks sounds like total bull. I was there last week and girls were firm on 2 k for LT. Even a girl hanging out outside quoted that price.

ST was 12000. But could probably get it for 1 K.

Happy hunting!

P.S.: I'm in town for the next couple of weeks so feel free to drop me a PM if you're looking for a wing.[/QUOTE]Its true. But I usually don't pay more than 700-1000 rmb for short time. If you come late and negotiate shortly before sunset, you can get bargains. But might be the 2nd or 3rd ST for her that night.

However, one should note that not all mongers are like the crazy gringos from estados unidos who destroy price level all over the world because they come from a sex embargo country, are are willing to pay 200 usd for a blowjob. No european, russian, asian would do that.

[QUOTE=HangSeng;1636511]I'm new to all of this.[/QUOTE]So? Do your reading, and then, do the plunge. Good luck & fun!

Lev.

[QUOTE=Bmvb13;1636624]Its true. But I usually don't pay more than 700-1000 rmb for short time. If you come late and negotiate shortly before sunset, you can get bargains. But might be the 2nd or 3rd ST for her that night.

However, one should note that not all mongers are like the crazy gringos from estados unidos who destroy price level all over the world because they come from a sex embargo country, are are willing to pay 200 usd for a blowjob. No european, russian, asian would do that.[/QUOTE]Respectfully, 50 bucks is utter BS. Looking at your posts, it appears you either lead quite the jet setter lifestyle: Mexico, Brazil, Russia, Columbia, Beijing, Shanghai, or I've read your stories in Penthouse Forum before... Perhaps you got your currencies mixed up, because there is zero chance, on any occasion, that a girl would leave Manhattan for 300 RMB. Also curious why you would post that a girl would take "50 bucks", when you've never posted about america, and you obviously have a thorn in your side about Americans, so it's safe to say you are not American. Why would you post about the dirty gringos from the US then, and refer to US dollars? Hmmm….. It's as if you made the whole post up. Something smells off here. Just saying.

Regardless, if your posts are real and you travel to the places you have posted about, color me green with envy!

While in Shanghai, I made the long taxi ride out to the Hong Song Sauna next to the Hilton Hongqiao. It has been one of my favorite places.

However, when I arrived on the forth floor I found it was closed. Construction workers were busily remodeling the place.

Another one bites the dust!

I have found that getting vitamin V without a prescription is sometimes successful, sometimes not, at Shanghai pharmacies. My current theory is, go to places that advertise it in the window, and only go in when there are no customers in the place. I have been turned down at a couple places lately, but no problem at an empty store. It has a few names, but ask for Wei Ge.

I saw a post earlier in this thread about Lisa's services and decided to try for myself.

Seen her twice so far and she was truly professional. Went for the nuru massage both times, she really knows how to work your little friend with her hands. Though to be honest I prefered the massage part. Surely will be seeing her again.

[QUOTE=HangSeng;1636176]There is what I presume a massage parlor on Siping Road. Just a bit past the family mart next to the station exit outside of the KFC. Does anyone know anything about it?[/QUOTE]Siping road has a lot of those massage joints. Look for the discount sign if you read Chinese - 7. 5 or 8. 2 or something like this. The standard routine is half sauna style body to body massage, some licking and either HJ, BJ or full service rarely. I've had a fair bit of success with girls in these places going beyond the standard service but the challenges are often have to sift through a lot of low quality to find a gem and without Chinese skills you will probably not get more than the standard (which is often good enough).

The North of Shanghai these places are a dime a dozen.

Hi all,

Does anybody know if the information and ads on Shanghai. [URL]*****************[/URL] are real or fake?

I tried to find some of those phone numbers they give in the classified ads in wechat but they never exist.

Cheers,

F

As per a Board Member's kind suggestion I tried to go to 999 massage yesterday afternoon. The place is closed for renovations, though the guy there said it would be open again next week. I can confirm that they are doing some construction work there.

He says that most of the girls have moved to another place and gave me their card I think the place is called Sy Club (I can't read Chinese).

I tried uploading a pic of the card but my damned connection here at the hotel is s slow it keeps failing. Welcome to China!

He said it was 900 for a session there. But I did not try.

Stay horny my friends.

Uncle V.

I can only second HangSeng (whatever the name means).

Lisa is just fabulous I never miss to see her when in Shanghai. Since her English is excellent I always invite her for dinner and we can chat about everything as well.

Gregory.

[QUOTE=HangSeng;1637083]I saw a post earlier in this thread about Lisa's services and decided to try for myself.

Seen her twice so far and she was truly professional. Went for the nuru massage both times, she really knows how to work your little friend with her hands. Though to be honest I prefered the massage part. Surely will be seeing her again.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=PeterEastwest;1626847]Can anyone local advice me? I plan visit to Shanghai in late Oktober / early November and want to take hotel in Merrylin because sauna there was always good in last ten years visiting Shanghai. But the hotel is not showing on all the booking sites and nobody answer the h]phone as I call.

Has Merrylin / Siyuan shut down for any reason? It is my favorite hotel / sauna I SH so please let me know if closed down.

Thanks.

PE.[/QUOTE]I stopped by Siyuan at the Merrylin Hotel earlier this month, and I noticed that the hotel is closed (undergoing renovations) and a guard / sentry in front of the elevator. At times, he would motion people away. When I asked him what was happening, he told me that the sauna was turning away non-regular customers because of pressure from law enforcement. Apparently, the recent crackdown in Shanghai was making the owner nervous. As a semi-regular, I was allowed through.

Is it true that 999 and Hong Song are closed? The end of an era in Shanghai! Both were among my favorite places.

Minhang district has BBS and saunas by the dozens. If you're in Shanghai for mongering I'd recommend getting a hotel around Hongmei Rd and you should have lots of choices within a 5 km radius.

Sauna cost varies from 600 to 780. There are higher cost ones. I think people are overpaying sometimes because we tend to stick to the same locations which raises the prices so here's a new one to try out:

1. Hongxin Club, 600 RMB, 80 min. Standard "wet massage". On Qixin Rd near the Gudai Rd intersection. Ask around where is the "108 Plaza", the club is right across from it. The 108 Plaza has a huge yellow light sign on top of a tall building so it's not too hard to see if you're at the intersection. If you can't find 108 Plaza within 2 minutes of walking you're going the wrong way. Again it's on Qixin Rd not Gudai Rd. I was given a choice of 4 girls at around 10 pm.

BBSs's are not always my thing but if you're fine with a 20 minute non-GFE session, here are a couple of personally visually verified locations for BBSs. I have not tried them but the service should be pretty standard. BBS cost is 200 RMB for locals.

1. From Caobao Rd go south on Hongmei Rd. There's one between Donglan Rd and Pingnan Rd and another past Pingnan Rd.

2. Multiple BBSs on Gulong Rd between Hongmei Rd and Gumei Rd.

Enjoy exploring!

Well it wasn't a goal but I basically have gotten an he massage from every girl there. Here are my thoughts.

2 - nice larger chest. Better shape than most Chinese girls, slightly chubby. Has no problem with delivering a titty massage to finish. 200 tip gets you this.

6- She is fun and willing. Larger chest as well. Did the titty massage to finish. A little heavier than I like them (like # 2) but I am very particular and like petite spinners. None of these at BJ LU.

8- smaller girl, chest ok. Wants 100 to kiss them and another 100 for down below. I don't know if that's FIV or DATY. You will have to see. Still cute, thinner and more my style.

11 and 16- very similar, thin, and smaller breasts. 11 is a little shy taking her top off but she did. 16 has a nice smile. They are both thin, decent breasts and attractive. She also gave the best massage of the group.

28- she was much fun, let me kiss her chest quickly. Only asked about a tip once. We never really talked price. She was willing to slow down and not rush me until I was ready. I probably liked her the most. Same body type as 11 and 16.

Any are good for an he massage, I tried to get all of them to give a BJ or FS. I showed them I had condoms but none seemed to bite. I even offered stupid money to see if they would take it. a number of them said their boss would kill them. others said they feared the Police...... Maybe if I had spent more time with one but I really didn't want to create a favorite. They were all fun for what they did. One ting to be aware of is they talk. When I asked the last girl how much for tip she said. The same as you gave the other girls. They told me how much you give. So start low because if you don't that will be the price!!

YMMV.

SamCan.

I went to Judy's on Friday night. I like Judy's better than manhattans. The girls dancing at the bar, the live band, sometimes there are acts on stage (not sex acts, this is shanghai).

Anyway I met a small Viet. She came over to me and wanted 2000 for the night. I told her no. 1500. She said ok. As we headed to the door, I realized she was a little pudgy. (yes SamCan is very particular about this). I waived her off and walked toward another one. This time it was RAY. She is 25 years old was an 8, and a very pretty Viet. Thin, nice bottom, adequate rack up top. I quickly said how much for all night? She said 1500. I asked how many times? She said, it is up to you. She wasn't lying. We got in the cab, she snuggled up to me and put her head on my shoulder. It was GFE all the way.

I took her to my room, we showered together at her request, BJ and 3 pops. More if I wanted. She snuggled up to me in bed and held me like she actually liked me. It was 5 am and I just could not sleep with her in the room. I told her time to go. She did not want to. She wanted to stay and sleep with me. Said we could do it again. I said no, I can't sleep. She left without a scene. I am assuming my hotel room was a nicer place to stay than where she was going.

Saturday night, I headed back to Judy's. RAY came in the door and smiled. I was drinking with a new found expat friend. He told me us "tourists" were ruining the prices. I should not pay more than 1000 for all night. . I told her the other guy said 1000 for all night was enough. She quickly said ok. Back to the hotel. Same GFE and a little better second time around actually.

I lay in bed holding her breasts and rubbing her bottom while she snuggled and slept. I woke her up for a 3rd pop and she was right there ready to go. After we finished, I told her it was time to go. I had work to do Sunday and needed sleep. She got dressed to leave without question this time. Again, I could tell she was not happy leaving but she did. I have taken back a few before and was actually sorry by the business nature of it. Ray made me forget I was paying for it.

On Saturday, I had gone to Manhattans for about 10 minutes before I walked to judys. 2 girls were entering manhattans as I was leaving. Both were 7's. They offered me all night for 1000 each, 2000 for the pair. I wasn't ready to choose at that point, but I see that probably would have been a good deal as well.

I also call BS on a $50 girl at Manhattans. I am sure you can get them cheaper than 1000 during the week but 300? No way. I have had them offer 1000 starting price on a weekday. I assume you could get them for 700-800 on a slow weekday night. You will never get the 9's for that price. They know who they are. I also doubt they will be as GFE as others but I don't know. I also agree some girls hold out on weekends for as long as possible for big bucks. I was told during my last visit in March if you waited until 4 am or so, its a feeding frenzy. The girls can be had for 500.( I did not stay to see this). Of course at that point the night is almost over right?

YMMV- happy hunting, good luck. stay safe

SAM CAN.

[QUOTE=SamCan;1638561]I went to Judy's on Friday night. I like Judy's better than manhattans. The girls dancing at the bar, the live band, sometimes there are acts on stage (not sex acts, this is shanghai).

Anyway I met a small Viet. She came over to me and wanted 2000 for the night. I told her no. 1500. She said ok. As we headed to the door, I realized she was a little pudgy. (yes SamCan is very particular about this). I waived her off and walked toward another one. This time it was RAY. She is 25 years old was an 8, and a very pretty Viet. Thin, nice bottom, adequate rack up top. I quickly said how much for all night? She said 1500. I asked how many times? She said, it is up to you. She wasn't lying. We got in the cab, she snuggled up to me and put her head on my shoulder. It was GFE all the way.

I took her to my room, we showered together at her request, BJ and 3 pops. More if I wanted. She snuggled up to me in bed and held me like she actually liked me. It was 5 am and I just could not sleep with her in the room. I told her time to go. She did not want to. She wanted to stay and sleep with me. Said we could do it again. I said no, I can't sleep. She left without a scene. I am assuming my hotel room was a nicer place to stay than where she was going.

Saturday night, I headed back to Judy's. RAY came in the door and smiled. I was drinking with a new found expat friend. He told me us "tourists" were ruining the prices. I should not pay more than 1000 for all night. . I told her the other guy said 1000 for all night was enough. She quickly said ok. Back to the hotel. Same GFE and a little better second time around actually.

I lay in bed holding her breasts and rubbing her bottom while she snuggled and slept. I woke her up for a 3rd pop and she was right there ready to go. After we finished, I told her it was time to go. I had work to do Sunday and needed sleep. She got dressed to leave without question this time. Again, I could tell she was not happy leaving but she did. I have taken back a few before and was actually sorry by the business nature of it. Ray made me forget I was paying for it.

On Saturday, I had gone to Manhattans for about 10 minutes before I walked to judys. 2 girls were entering manhattans as I was leaving. Both were 7's. They offered me all night for 1000 each, 2000 for the pair. I wasn't ready to choose at that point, but I see that probably would have been a good deal as well.

I also call BS on a $50 girl at Manhattans. I am sure you can get them cheaper than 1000 during the week but 300? No way. I have had them offer 1000 starting price on a weekday. I assume you could get them for 700-800 on a slow weekday night. You will never get the 9's for that price. They know who they are. I also doubt they will be as GFE as others but I don't know. I also agree some girls hold out on weekends for as long as possible for big bucks. I was told during my last visit in March if you waited until 4 am or so, its a feeding frenzy. The girls can be had for 500.( I did not stay to see this). Of course at that point the night is almost over right?

YMMV- happy hunting, good luck. stay safe

SAM CAN.[/QUOTE]Great report Sam, and thank you for sharing. I am glad you got a great GFE experience for 1000 RMB / night. I think she really liked you. Last time I was there in early summer. The hot ones I talked to would not bulge for 1000, even for 1200. They came down from 2 k to 1. 5 K after learning that I am not a newbie or innocent tourist. But 1 k, that was the good old time or for those who are less approached, or for ST with one pop.

Judy is definitely different from Manhattan. It has a different vibe. Too me, it is more playful, and girls are more eager to please. But it has less hot girls than Manhattan. With its close vicinity, it is a nice side trip from Manhattan.

[QUOTE=Ocean25;1637639]Is it true that 999 and Hong Song are closed? The end of an era in Shanghai! Both were among my favorite places.[/QUOTE]Just closed for renovations. Opening again soon is my understanding.

Sam.

Thanks for your TOFT and report on Beijing Lu "Butterfly Massage".

It's impossible to know the truth even after knowing a provider for years. They do work long hours at these venues and have lots of down time yo watch TV and gossip. 6 tells me they get one day off per week. That's a smart move on the boss's part. I've also been told not every John tips. The house fee at several Jingan venues all went up to 268 from 208 since May. Maybe LE is the reason. I was told it was to pay for a remodel. Ha! Girl gets 123, up from 83?

Well it wasn't a goal but I basically have gotten an he massage from every girl there. Here are my thoughts.

2 - nice larger chest. Better shape than most Chinese girls, slightly chubby. Has no problem with delivering a titty massage to finish. 200 tip gets you this.

6- She is fun and willing. Larger chest as well. Did the titty massage to finish. A little heavier than I like them (like # 2) but I am very particular and like petite spinners. None of these at BJ LU.

8- smaller girl, chest ok. Wants 100 to kiss them and another 100 for down below. I don't know if that's FIV or DATY. You will have to see. Still cute, thinner and more my style.

11 and 16- very similar, thin, and smaller breasts. 11 is a little shy taking her top off but she did. 16 has a nice smile. They are both thin, decent breasts and attractive. She also gave the best massage of the group.

28- she was much fun, let me kiss her chest quickly. Only asked about a tip once. We never really talked price. She was willing to slow down and not rush me until I was ready. I probably liked her the most. Same body type as 11 and 16.

Any are good for an he massage, I tried to get all of them to give a BJ or FS. I showed them I had condoms but none seemed to bite. I even offered stupid money to see if they would take it. A number of them said their boss would kill them. Others said they feared the Police. Maybe if I had spent more time with one but I really didn't want to create a favorite. They were all fun for what they did. One ting to be aware of is they talk. When I asked the last girl how much for tip she said. The same as you gave the other girls. They told me how much you give. So start low because if you don't that will be the price!!

YMMV.

SamCan.

Hi dudes. Long time no report from me, cause some change in work situation. .

Just back from afternoon relax, I was my second time in Shaanxi road.

Girl number 2: just if you want a HJ, look 6 massage 5.

Girl number 10: she ask tips more than 200 rmb, just for be naked. I was leaving so she gave me a BJ undercover in the shower. Look 6 BJ 5.

Really I miss my gems in gubei. That location is closed.

Some good subjection about others number there?

Or any update for the yellow name foot massage?

See you bro.

Inspired by SamCan's post below, I went to Judys for first time. I figured there was really no difference between Manhattan and Judy's so I never went there. Looked around and settled for a Viet named Han (? Not sure of the name). 25 years old. Not too short and a very nice rack up top. Followed the pricing guide below and negotiated for 1300 LT. She offered 2 K and I offered 1 K. She then offered 1500 and 1400, and I went from 1200 to 1300. Eventually I felt like giving her 300 more than the earlier mentioned price would get me some additional benefits later on.

I felt like I was treating her quite well during the taxi ride back, but she seemed pretty distant throughout the ride. Didn't really care to ask me anything or talk to me. Bad sign #1. When we got to the hotel she immediately asked for money (bad sign #2). She went for the shower, washed briefly, and seemed to be in a hurry to get to the action. Looking at her body after her shower it looks like she's had a see-section. I undressed and as soon as I lied down, she went to put a condom on. I'm like wait a minute, I've never had anything but BBBJ from Viets so this was new. Her facial expression during this time was of concern or anxiety or something otherwise uncomfortable. I wanted her to be comfortable, so I let her do her CBJ and was again surprised that it lasted for a whole 20 seconds. Despite that, she did have a nice figure, so I was already hard now. I really got nothing from the CBJ and it was only her body that did the trick. So now she put it in and went to cowgirl which I was enjoying, but she asked me to get on top after another 30 seconds. Didn't really want to change positions at that time but I obliged. After a few more somewhat forced position changes I blew my load inside the cover. I pulled out and looked at her and saw an expression of general discomfort or dissatisfaction. I asked her if there's anything wrong, something I did or the location and she said things were fine. I was contemplating at that time whether to take a loss and let her go. I'm definitely not getting anywhere with her and I felt like neither of us were looking forward to spending the night. I gave her the option to leave and she seemed happy to do so. Overall pretty poor experience especially for the money. This is a BBS-like experience that I could have had for 200 RMB.

OK so thinking back, I probably should have taken bad sign #1 and asked the cabbie to return to Judys during the ride. Anyone with advice please chime in here. Where do you stop and just return the girl to her hang out? As soon as she gets in the hotel room it's going to be trouble getting her out so I'm thinking it's best to get rid of girls like this before she gets in.

[QUOTE=Tasss;1638946]Inspired by SamCan's post below, I went to Judys for first time.
.[/QUOTE]Sorry it didn't work out for you. As always YMMV. I do agree the girls at both are the same. Judy's just feels more like a bar to me vs a meat market. They are but one in the same.

I have also had bad experiences. I brought home a thin Chinese girl from Guangzhou at Manhattan's once. She took forever to take off her make up and shower that I almost lost interest. She was so thin, she didn't even have a chest. I guess it was all creative stuffing. She had the body of a girl before puberty (not something that turns me on mind you). After one pop, I threw her out. It didn't work for me. She was also so business like, it wasn't any fun.

I tend to take my lumps and let them go when it doesn't work. Forcing bad sex never works. At least not for me.

I would like to tell you warming them up with taking and touching at the bar helps make sure they are into you and helps get a good one but it never helped me.

As a matter of Fact, the first words out of my mouth to RAY were "how much?. Let's go" It worked out but was probably dumb luck.

Best I can tell you is go back to Judy's. Look for a girl in a black dress showing some decent cleavage. (she had the same dress both nights). If she is 5'3" to 5"6" (Hard to recall because of her high heels on her beige shoes) and says her name is RAY, take her home with you. You won't be disappointed. Remember I paid 1500 the first time. I probably could have got her for less maybe. The next night I did but she also know what she was getting.

Tell her Sam misses her and he wishes he came back his 3rd (and final night) in shanghai.

SAM CAN.

Not much of a report, but I went to East Nanjing Road for the first time.

It's. An interesting experience. Do touts figure that if they annoy you enough, you'll give up and follow them?

'No. ' Doesn't seem to register with them. I made a point with one, and gave a random beggar 50 yuan to get her to back off.

There was one that wanted to go have coffee with her, 'no need to be in a hurry' and all that. She was decent looking, but no go for me.

Kind of puts me off from actually looking for any places for fun around there.

[QUOTE=HangSeng;1639229]Not much of a report, but I went to East Nanjing Road for the first time.

It's. An interesting experience. Do touts figure that if they annoy you enough, you'll give up and follow them?

'No. ' Doesn't seem to register with them. I made a point with one, and gave a random beggar 50 yuan to get her to back off.

There was one that wanted to go have coffee with her, 'no need to be in a hurry' and all that. She was decent looking, but no go for me.

Kind of puts me off from actually looking for any places for fun around there.[/QUOTE]Yeah dude forget about that area for having fun! Try having a read of the forum and finding some of the other places that are more interesting in Shanghai. Nanjing road is just a scammer area.

[QUOTE=Blacklisted;1639261]Yeah dude forget about that area for having fun! Try having a read of the forum and finding some of the other places that are more interesting in Shanghai. Nanjing road is just a scammer area.[/QUOTE]All day and evening it is nothing but scammers, but if you are walking around out there after 11 PM. I believe most of the scammers have gone home and the actual working girls come out. I've picked up twice there after hours (I like to stay near there to have access to stores and restaurants when in town). They just whisper "sex massage". Not pushy or loud. Definitely keeping it on the down low.

I don't think it should be a destination for seeking them out, but if you're there anyway I've found opportunity. It has been 2 years however since I've been there at that hour. And havinig a hotel within easy walking distance made it convenient.

[QUOTE=HangSeng;1639229]Not much of a report, but I went to East Nanjing Road for the first time.

It's. An interesting experience. Do touts figure that if they annoy you enough, you'll give up and follow them?

'No. ' Doesn't seem to register with them. I made a point with one, and gave a random beggar 50 yuan to get her to back off.

There was one that wanted to go have coffee with her, 'no need to be in a hurry' and all that. She was decent looking, but no go for me.

Kind of puts me off from actually looking for any places for fun around there.[/QUOTE]If the touts annoy you, and if you have a camera, take a photo of them. As they talk, keep clicking. Scares them off in no time.

If they approach you and appear to be selling you can try my trick: I took off my watch and back-pack and as one approached I said in English, "Sell you my watch? Sell you my bag? Do you want to buy?" he laughed and was embarrassed and his tout-mates also laughed. Probably the first time that a foreigner had wanted to sell him something! Hahaha.

YMMV.

Enjoy and report.

P13.

[QUOTE=AsianLover;1632940]You really should read the forum and you will find these answers but being in a helpful mood, I will highlight some places:

Massages: 1808 Beijing Road and YuYuan road (I think the address is 250). Both are near the temple. Then there are several and Shanxi Road North. They have been written about but I have never been.

Spa: The best one is in the knock of mart. Fend Ding Wan or something like that. It's on Nanjing Road near People's Park.

Pick up bars: WG hang out at these bars. Check the recent posts for long-term and short-term. They are all on or near Tongren Lu and Nanjing Road, right near the Portman Ritz Carlton and Kerry Center. Malones is an irish pub. A Phillpino cover band plays there on weekends. They play good classic Rock & Roll. Older WG and some locals hang out there. Judy's is across Nanjing Road. WG hang out there as well, some locals, some Viets and a mix. Finally, the biggest is Manhattan which is right off of Tongren Lu. It gets busy 11 PM on weekends. Lots of Viets there, some Thai, some LB. Try all 3 as they are within a 5 minute walk of each other.

There are also some bars at Xintindi where you can pick up women. I have never been there but read about Paulanders and some others.

Happy hunting and post some reviews.

AL.[/QUOTE]Cheers for this, not decided where I'll be staying, but its good to know where the action is!

[QUOTE=SimonWagstaff;1632975]I am not all that experienced and only been to Shanghai once but had a most amazing time at Bodi spa, entrance is to the left of the entrance to the Bodi hotel, right off some highway, can't miss it. 880 RMB. Hot tub, steam room, sauna, beer, women. I still think of Miss 965![/QUOTE]This Spa looks good too! What does the 880 include?

[QUOTE=SamCan;1638561]I went to Judy's on Friday night. I like Judy's better than manhattans. The girls dancing at the bar, the live band, sometimes there are acts on stage (not sex acts, this is shanghai).

//Snip//

YMMV- happy hunting, good luck. stay safe

SAM CAN.[/QUOTE]What hotel did you stay in? Is it okay to bring back women from these places? Or do you have to sign them in etc?

Will be in Shanghai next weekend and looking for first FS Massage experience there. Anything close to Yu Gardens / The Bund? Any reliable in service agencies?

So, went back to East Nanjing Road, looking for a tea shop. Again touts kept coming, even with all the mass amount of cops around.

I just decided fuck it and went with one to a place on Tianjian (Road I think, I know it was an incredibly stupid decision but I was really bored and wanted to figure what would happen.

Inside there were some decent looking girls, 7-8's I would guess, most seemed pretty uninterested aside from one, she was pretty excited. Had a nice body from what I could tell, face wasn't spectacular. So the mamasan hustled us into this room with a karaoke machine; I guess it was a low level KTV. The girl gave me the price, 100 massage 300 for FS. I agreed, paid up front. (I was really bored.).

So she left to book us another room, heard a bit of a quarrel, then the girl came back and said all the rooms are booked and gave me my money back. So that was that and I left.

They seemed to want to get me in pretty quickly but then turned around and gave me a refund. Can anyone shed some light on what happened?

Also to Pushkin and Blacklisted, I can't really stay out past 11. I'm here studying in SH and only been here two months, I take the metro for most things and since it closes at 10 staying out late is kind of a no for me unless it's fairly close to my dormitory.

[QUOTE=HangSeng;1639229]Not much of a report, but I went to East Nanjing Road for the first time.

It's. An interesting experience. Do touts figure that if they annoy you enough, you'll give up and follow them?

'No. ' Doesn't seem to register with them. I made a point with one, and gave a random beggar 50 yuan to get her to back off.

There was one that wanted to go have coffee with her, 'no need to be in a hurry' and all that. She was decent looking, but no go for me.

Kind of puts me off from actually looking for any places for fun around there.[/QUOTE]

If you had gone with her you probably would have been robbed for about $500 US. She takes you to a place where she has an arrangement with the manager.
While she distracts you he brings a tray of unordered fruit and drinks. Then you get an inflated bill. She gets a cut.

50 yuan is a good days pay for a beggar. 5 would be a big amount.

My advice is to be careful with touts. Some but not all of them are thugs. Just keep walking and don't talk to them or make eye contact. A polite tourist saying, "No thank you," is what they want.
That is the start of a conversation to them.

[QUOTE=StevenJones;1639533]What hotel did you stay in? Is it okay to bring back women from these places? Or do you have to sign them in etc?[/QUOTE]I stay at the Hilton Shanghai. It's 50/50 . She walked in 2 steps behind me (2 nights in a row) like we were not together and no problems. I was stopped once with that girl from Guangzhou I mentioned and they signed her in. Nothing ever came of it.

No issues either way, it really has never been an issue. Chinese law requires guests to be signed in. But like all things in China, some are followed some are not.

I have heard the Chinese hotels are more lenient but I don't have any experience there.

Sam.

This scam will always work because as the American circus baron PT Barnum said " there's a sucker born every minute" It happened to me in 07. I went back the next day and got half my money back by yelling at the MaMa and pounding my fist on a table.

Has anone else seen the man with no fingers and a burned face at the Jingan Temple metro stop? He was in Suzhou a few years ago, but moved to greener pastures. It has been suggested that he failed to satisfy a loan shark and attacked. I gave him 20 kuai yesterday and he was extremely grateful.

[QUOTE=StevenJones;1639533]What hotel did you stay in? Is it okay to bring back women from these places? Or do you have to sign them in etc?[/QUOTE]Try Hotel Equatorial. Same block as Hilton. Cheaper than Hilton and no problem to bring in ladies.

I was under the impression from talking to some working girls who I became friendly with was that the sign in was meant to protect us from being robbed. They said that WGs would steal from johns and then disappear. However, if they are signed in, then they can be easily located if they take anything and it's a real deterrent for the girl.

I never liked it as its seems like an invasion of my privacy.

Any thoughts?

AL.

[QUOTE=AsianLover;1639796]I was under the impression from talking to some working girls who I became friendly with was that the sign in was meant to protect us from being robbed. They said that WGs would steal from johns and then disappear. However, if they are signed in, then they can be easily located if they take anything and it's a real deterrent for the girl.

I never liked it as its seems like an invasion of my privacy.

Any thoughts?

AL.[/QUOTE]I used to stay at the Sheraton HQ. There was a laminated letter on the table that stated it was Chinese law for guests after 11 pm. They did not enforce it as the hotel had a key card system in the elevator and a note on the table.

I would walk into the hotel in my late 40's (almost 50) with my 25 year old Chinese girlfriend on my arm. We obviously did not look like we belonged together. The doorman would push the elevator button for us! Obviously they thought the note and elevator card got them off the hook.

Interestingly enough, the Hilton in Jing an seems to have relaxed forcing the sign in since they added a key card to the elevator.

[QUOTE=SamCan;1639638]I stay at the Hilton Shanghai. It's 50/50 . She walked in 2 steps behind me (2 nights in a row) like we were not together and no problems. I was stopped once with that girl from Guangzhou I mentioned and they signed her in. Nothing ever came of it.

No issues either way, it really has never been an issue. Chinese law requires guests to be signed in. But like all things in China, some are followed some are not.

I have heard the Chinese hotels are more lenient but I don't have any experience there.

Sam.[/QUOTE]Ah okay, thanks. Is the Hilton in a good area for mongering?

[QUOTE=ChuckleOne;1639759]Try Hotel Equatorial. Same block as Hilton. Cheaper than Hilton and no problem to bring in ladies.[/QUOTE]Cool and again is this in a good area for mongering? Not been to Shanghai for anything other than work, so it's all new to me!

Shanghai Nemo Hi dudes. Long time no report from me, cause some change in work situation. .

Just back from afternoon relax, I was my second time in Shaanxi road.

Girl number 2: just if you want a HJ, look 6 massage 5.

Girl number 10: she ask tips more than 200 rmb, just for be naked. I was leaving so she gave me a BJ undercover in the shower. Look 6 BJ 5.

Really I miss my gems in gubei. That location is closed.

Some good subjection about others number there?

Or any update for the yellow name foot massage?

See you bro.

Nemo.

#18 is back and better than before. She's a tiger!

BJ.

[QUOTE=StevenJones;1639944]Ah okay, thanks. Is the Hilton in a good area for mongering?[/QUOTE]Its all in the forum. You don't have to look back more than 3 pages to figure it out.

Its all in the forum. You don't have to look back more than 3 pages to figure it out.

Shanghai is wide open and Jingan is a very compact area full of possibilities. Go way back and there is plenty of archival information.

Just spent consecutive weekends at Hilton Shanghai (work in Chengdu in-between), had my ATF meet me there each weekend. She entered, waited for me to greet her, we walked to the elevator arm-in-arm, no one noticed or cared. Felt very comfortable doing it. Even took her to the spa and swimming pool, signed us in as a couple and we used the facilities, again no issue. Nothing like a good steam bath after crazy sex.

One night before the ATF showed up I cruised the area, checked out Malone's. About 10 girls there, one elderly shark grabbed me at the door, not a very pretty face and a bit chubby, certainly not my style plus I had to use the bathroom in a hurry, so I just pushed past her, went upstairs. Returned downstairs to the bar, ordered a beer and a second girl approached me. Young, pretty, Shen Li I think she said. I bought her a beer and we talked, I groped her pretty good, nice body, she went on and on about her Mary Kay business and how smooth her skin is due to Mary Kay. I acted very interested, especially so I could sample the smooth skin of her ass and tits. I even reached under and tested the smooth skin of her clit. All the while I was doing this the elderly lady was loitering around us, winking at me each time we made eye contact. Hilarious. Shen Li wanted RMB 2,500 for LT, no F'ing way, and I had no intentions anyhow, so I finished my beer and started to leave. Shen Li was surprised and annoyed, and started shouting "you give me money! I probably went a little too far with the groping. I left. By the way, the band was mediocre, too much Van Halen for me.

Judy's was packed and really cooking, but it was Friday night, Halloween and the party was on. I didn't even get a beer, continued to Zapata's.

Zapata's was out-of-control crazy, in both the upstairs and downstairs discos. People in Halloween costumes, up on the stage bumping and grinding, it was great. Even the courtyard area was so crowded I had to circle the outside just to pass to the bar areas. The inside bar in the middle of the complex was calm, full of people but calm. I only noticed a few working girls, I think the Halloween party overwhelmed the atmosphere, no luck getting a girl here on this night. But I will return some Friday night that is not Halloween!

[QUOTE=Beijing4987;1640096]Its all in the forum. You don't have to look back more than 3 pages to figure it out.

Shanghai is wide open and Jingan is a very compact area full of possibilities. Go way back and there is plenty of archival information.[/QUOTE]Cool, Jingan is what I was looking for, the name of the area.

I met this girl on QQ and we chatted for a while. My Chinese is very limited right now, but managed to go along wit hit fine.

Decided to meet with her on Sunday, she gave me an address and said 300 to do the deed, no limit on time. So I agreed and hustled myself over there, made it a bit later than planned but got there okay.

This was a very, very uh. Substandard block of apartments. Found her building and made it to her floor. Now the thing was she gave me her room number, but there were no numbers on the doors. So I asked her if she could meet me out in the hall, said no, just come to her room. How am I supposed to know which room if there's nothing telling me that? Asked her if she could at least greet me or something instead of me standing around in the hall like an idiot. Kept saying no.

Then I decided to knock on one door and ask in my broken mandarin, got pointed to the supposed room. Knocked and some 70-80 year old man opened the door, gave me a look, probably wondering why this creepy foreigner was hanging around such a shit block of flats. Was polite, I asked if this was the room I wanted and pointed elsewhere. Meanwhile, she was yelling at me on QQ saying she could hear me knocking. So if I'm on the correct floor and you can here me, why not greet me or something to let me know?

After about 20 minutes of me standing around like an idiot, the whole thing was beginning to look pretty shady. The whole block of flats were pretty much like a shanghai ghetto so after a while I just gave up. Told her I 'fuck it I'm going home. ' To which she start typing a flurry of what I assume to be insults. (Can't understand any of that anyway.).

So I ask you. Did I do something wrong here or was the whole deal just shady as fuck and I shouldn't have been going in the first place? I seem to have real shit luck.

BJ4987 - which Shaanxi Road shop is #18?

Cheers

[QUOTE=Beijing4987;1639997]Shanghai Nemo Hi dudes. Long time no report from me, cause some change in work situation.

Just back from afternoon relax, I was my second time in Shaanxi road.

Girl number 2: just if you want a HJ, look 6 massage 5.

Girl number 10: she ask tips more than 200 rmb, just for be naked. I was leaving so she gave me a BJ undercover in the shower. Look 6 BJ 5.

Really I miss my gems in gubei. That location is closed.

Some good subjection about others number there?

Or any update for the yellow name foot massage?

See you bro.

Nemo.

#18 is back and better than before. She's a tiger!

BJ.[/QUOTE]

An actual report for once. On suggestion of a post earlier in this thread I decided to go to Hongsong east road and check the area out, wasn't really planning to do anything.

From the Songyang road metro exit, went along Yaohong road and left to Hongsong east road. Sorry, I can't give exact directions, but that's what I did. It was the very first shop with girls sitting out at the front, you can't really miss it.

So I got waved at, as I was walking by, decided why not, and went in. No upselling or anything like that. I was very quickly hustled into a small room with a girl named Song Li (iirc) from Fujian. 200 for one girl, agreed, started off with a bit of a rub down then go to business. BBBJ was okay, lots of moaning but I didn't think she was really into it, so that was a turn off. My Chinese is very limited so I ended up using some weird mix of words I learned off this site and google translate. Then onto an HJ, went on for a while, since I couldn't finish and I could tell she was getting frustrated. Increased the pace, and it felt like she was trying to pull my dick off, not enjoyable at all.

So after that with her clearly getting frustrated and my not able to finish and unsatisfied we just left it at that. The mamasan (I assume) was having a laugh about the whole thing.

Then I left 200 Y poorer and my balls hurting a bit. Though I think I'll go back to try some of the other girls or the mamasan since she offered herself earlier.

BJ4987 - which Shaanxi Road shop is #18?

The address is 851 Shaanxi Road, just south of Changping road. A few stairs to walk up outside. Convenience store on corner. If she's busy (often) they say "ta mang" they will put you in a room to relax for 30-45 minutes. You say "wo deng ta" I'll wait for her. Wait for her, don't take another.

BJ.

[QUOTE=Ramboon;1640337]BJ4987 - which Shaanxi Road shop is #18?

Cheers[/QUOTE]Best freaking BJ in Shanghai, Enjoy.

Sam.

QQ is really hit and miss. But I think you get a terrible ones. I had the same experience once. These days, I am staying away from QQ girls. Too much trouble and unpredictable. That said, good QQ girls can be very good.

[QUOTE=HangSeng;1640240]I met this girl on QQ and we chatted for a while. My Chinese is very limited right now, but managed to go along wit hit fine.

Decided to meet with her on Sunday, she gave me an address and said 300 to do the deed, no limit on time. So I agreed and hustled myself over there, made it a bit later than planned but got there okay.

This was a very, very uh. Substandard block of apartments. Found her building and made it to her floor. Now the thing was she gave me her room number, but there were no numbers on the doors. So I asked her if she could meet me out in the hall, said no, just come to her room. How am I supposed to know which room if there's nothing telling me that? Asked her if she could at least greet me or something instead of me standing around in the hall like an idiot. Kept saying no...[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=HangSeng;1640240]I met this girl on QQ and we chatted for a while. My Chinese is very limited right now, but managed to go along wit hit fine.

Decided to meet with her on Sunday, she gave me an address and said 300 to do the deed, no limit on time. So I agreed and hustled myself over there, made it a bit later than planned but got there okay.

This was a very, very uh. Substandard block of apartments. Found her building and made it to her floor. Now the thing was she gave me her room number, but there were no numbers on the doors. So I asked her if she could meet me out in the hall, said no, just come to her room. How am I supposed to know which room if there's nothing telling me that? Asked her if she could at least greet me or something instead of me standing around in the hall like an idiot. Kept saying no.

Then I decided to knock on one door and ask in my broken mandarin, got pointed to the supposed room. Knocked and some 70-80 year old man opened the door, gave me a look, probably wondering why this creepy foreigner was hanging around such a shit block of flats. Was polite, I asked if this was the room I wanted and pointed elsewhere. Meanwhile, she was yelling at me on QQ saying she could hear me knocking. So if I'm on the correct floor and you can here me, why not greet me or something to let me know?

After about 20 minutes of me standing around like an idiot, the whole thing was beginning to look pretty shady. The whole block of flats were pretty much like a shanghai ghetto so after a while I just gave up. Told her I 'fuck it I'm going home. ' To which she start typing a flurry of what I assume to be insults. (Can't understand any of that anyway.).

So I ask you. Did I do something wrong here or was the whole deal just shady as fuck and I shouldn't have been going in the first place? I seem to have real shit luck.[/QUOTE]Man, I love your story. Hilarious.

The same kind of story happened to me a couple of times with qq girls. So don't worry. A good experience would have been surprising actually.

They are extremely wary about disclosing their exact location to first timers, usually it turns into a cat mouse hunting game. Eventually you get frustrated by the whole process and tell her to go to hell. That s usually when they try to get you back but it s too late.

I was once outside a building like you describe and the girl could see me through her window. She first told me to go to 5th floor and then to 7th and then back to 4th. That s when I left. If you don't speak Chinese, With the vast array of options available in Sh don't waste your time with uncharted territory.

Happy hunting.

[QUOTE=HangSeng;1640365]An actual report for once. On suggestion of a post earlier in this thread I decided to go to Hongsong east road and check the area out, *snip*.[/QUOTE]Yep BBSs are like that. You won't get GFE so it really helps to be as horny as fuck before you enter one. If you have 600 RMB or more, enjoy saunas for a more complete, slower-paced experience.

BTW these days there seem to be a pair of "hot" Venezuelan girls at Manhattan. They charge a lot and provide non-GFE, which I know since I had another Venezuelan last year. I say "hot" because they look 9/10 under dark light but the one I took back was 7/10 under more light. Had to try it, but in retrospect, not worth it.

Wow. You weren't kidding, what a BJ that was!

To offer something in return, check out the place on YuYao Rd, near Changde Rd. It's the first place on the north side of the road as you walk west along YuYao from Changde. It's got a relatively large greeting area with yellow walls. Ask for #1, she is also very adventurous and willing to please. Hope you enjoy.

[QUOTE=SamCan;1640564]Best freaking BJ in Shanghai, Enjoy.

Sam.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Ramboon;1640800]Wow. You weren't kidding, what a BJ that was!

To offer something in return, check out the place on YuYao Rd, near Changde Rd. It's the first place on the north side of the road as you walk west along YuYao from Changde. It's got a relatively large greeting area with yellow walls. Ask for #1, she is also very adventurous and willing to please. Hope you enjoy.[/QUOTE]Unfortunately I am back in the USA! Well, I will file it for next time.

Sam.

[QUOTE=Tasss;1640691]Yep BBSs are like that. You won't get GFE so it really helps to be as horny as fuck before you enter one. If you have 600 RMB or more, enjoy saunas for a more complete, slower-paced experience.[/QUOTE]I wasn't expecting GFE but I don't like being manhandled. Also she gave me her wechat but she apparently has a boyfriend as well.

On again and off again lurker making first review.

I had planned on reviewing two of the higher end massages in Gubei, but unfortunately one review is extremely limited.

HongSong (next to the Hongqiao Hilton):

Called there twice. First time on a Sunday evening and spoke with a guy with no English at all. All I could get is that there was no 'special' massage available. I figured perhaps because it was Sunday. Tried again on a Saturday night (maybe 11 PM) and a different guy answered telling me the special massage was on holiday (could get a foot massage) and would be available maybe 2 or 3 days later. As I live very close, I may just go there next time and see what happens.

Dongsen Club:

First time I called (FYI, if you have never been there before, you MUST call in advance), Qiqi who speaks very little English, quickly handed the phone to Tony (fluent!) Have been there 3 times now; here is a summary:

Pros:

* Very secure - 2 out of the 3 times I was there, I was unable to operate the elevator myself. There is someone in the building lobby you have to get past first, once you're in the elevator, he calls and gets you sent up. The 1st time I was there and was able to operate the elevator myself, the staff was clearly off-guard by an unannounced guest and had I not spoken to someone just 15 minutes earlier, I probably would have been sent away.

* clean: I am pretty sensitive to this and have no issues there whatsoever.

* variety of girls: each lineup has been at least 15 - 20 with several quality choices.

* If you don't want to lounge around (see one of the cons), you are taken straight to your private room. No locker room, no other people to see, etc.

* Tony: the English speaking manager is extremely helpful and posts updates on WeChat. I was a bit disappointed with the service in the first visit and told Tony the next time. Although I did not take his recommendation, he did make a point to tell the girl I chose that I was disappointed and 'make me happy'.

* Nuru: I am definitely not an expert on this, and others here may argue with me, but from what I can tell, they have a true nuru massage. After selecting a girl, she will come out with a plastic cup of gel. The last girl I had went beyond the wet, body-on-body massage and included licking, sucking and BBBJ during the wet portion. BTW, she was not the best looking, but was recommended to me by Tony for her service. And she was exceptional (for the record, due to a medication I take, I have a hard time finishing, which will often frustrate girls. She was determined to make it happen!

Cons:

* Lounge: although I have not even been in the lounge area, Tony advised me there was nothing really there for me. Fast food and lounge chairs. This is a place for the special service only.

* Busy: on my last visit (11 pm Sat night) there were 3 people selecting women in front of me, the selection was the weakest I had seen (although with Tony's help, I had great service. See Nuru above), had to wait for a room and when we entered, the room was bit messy (but my girl jumped right to action to straighten things up).

The price at Dongsen starts at 830 RMB and goes up to 1980 RMB. Depending on the girl. I have only sampled the 830 selection. So far, no kissing or DATY (which I would like) but BBBJ always, along with multiple pops within the allotted time. You can also have two girls, although I haven't done this yet. I will continue going there, and look forward to also checking out other places. I'm open to meeting other people here as I live in Shanghai and am always looking for an excuse these days.

Long time lurker and somewhat newbie mongerer.

I haven't seen much on Bodi lately so here is a fresh FP.

Got there round 1 PM after a cab ride through the delicious Shanghai smog. Standard opening ie Locker room, a short wait (5 min) and off to the line up.

Pretty good line up, about 20 girls, 2 Chinese guys ahead of me and plenty of 7's, 8's and 9's on my generous scale. One of the Chinese guys snapped up one of the 9's so I jumped in and made my choice, a lovely tall, big breasted girl who seemed to have a good attitude. Then noticed the red number 758, the papasan quickly rapped out 1200 rmb on his phone. By this time the little rhino was in control, said it was no problem and off we went.

Up the lift into a great room, loads of space, clean and new. Girls was very friendly in the lift and we chatted with my crap Chinese and her non existent English. Service was pretty standard, good soapy massage with BBBJ on the table, shower, cat bath, good BBBJ (Nice because there wasn't as much of the gagging and spitting as usual), Mish and pop. She wouldn't do any other position because she said my Loawai little brother was too big. Some more cuddling and chatting, shower and off I went. Coke in the lounge, a friendly ear massage girl, but my favorite foot massage girl is no longer there. Boo hoo.

Total damage 1200 + 80 for the ear picker.

Girls was a belter and had a good attitude, but I am getting pretty tired of the "its too big" story, Thai girls didn't seem to mind but that's another story.

P.S. Took a while to get a cab home, it really is in the middle of nowhere.

I went to Manhattan for the first time in ages a couple of days ago (girlfriend away), and I was (pleasantly) struck by how the action seems to start earlier these days. In my eagerness, I made it there before 11, and found the craziness in full swing already. A couple of years back, this wouldn't have been the case. Anybody else feel that this is the case?

As many members have pointed out, the providers are almost exclusively Vietnamese these days, with a few Chinese milling about.

Once I stopped hyperventilating from excitement, I found myself a very nice Vietnamese lady, who I gently bargained down to RMB 1200 for short time (she started at RMB 1500).

Hey,

Are the lady bars outside the Hilton hotel worth my time or money?

[QUOTE=Fisherman2;1641511]Once I stopped hyperventilating from excitement, I found myself a very nice Vietnamese lady, who I gently bargained down to RMB 1200 for short time (she started at RMB 1500).[/QUOTE]So was it a good experience? Was it GFE or all business? My last post talks of the awesome last experience but I have had some really bad ones too.

Sam.

[QUOTE=SamCan;1641922]So was it a good experience? Was it GFE or all business? My last post talks of the awesome last experience but I have had some really bad ones too.

Sam.[/QUOTE]Yes, it was a pretty good, quiet, unrushed GFE, nothing spectacular, but definitely a good experience. In the bar, she was the casually dressed and polite type, and the experience was very much in line with that initial impression.

[QUOTE=HangSeng;1639229]Not much of a report, but I went to East Nanjing Road for the first time.

It's. An interesting experience. Do touts figure that if they annoy you enough, you'll give up and follow them?

'No. ' Doesn't seem to register with them. I made a point with one, and gave a random beggar 50 yuan to get her to back off.

There was one that wanted to go have coffee with her, 'no need to be in a hurry' and all that. She was decent looking, but no go for me.

Kind of puts me off from actually looking for any places for fun around there.[/QUOTE]They always ask about "massagee girl? My stock reply is "well, my hands are tired, so I'll have to charge you 600 RMB to massage her. " Takes them a few seconds to process, but they get the message!

[QUOTE=Tazman099;1641225]On again and off again lurker making first review.

* clean: I am pretty sensitive to this and have no issues there whatsoever.

* variety of girls: each lineup has been at least 15 - 20 with several quality choices.

* If you don't want to lounge around (see one of the cons), you are taken straight to your private room. No locker room, no other people to see, etc.

* Tony: the English speaking manager is extremely helpful and posts updates on WeChat. I was a bit disappointed with the service in the first visit and told Tony the next time. Although I did not take his recommendation, he did make a point to tell the girl I chose that I was disappointed and 'make me happy'.

* Nuru: I am definitely not an expert on this, and others here may argue with me, but from what I can tell, they have a true nuru massage. After selecting a girl, she will come out with a plastic cup of gel. The last girl I had went beyond the wet, body-on-body massage and included licking, sucking and BBBJ during the wet portion. BTW, she was not the best looking, but was recommended to me by Tony for her service. And she was exceptional (for the record, due to a medication I take, I have a hard time finishing, which will often frustrate girls...[/QUOTE]I found it interesting that you like the room clean but enjoy DATY! How's that working out for you?

[QUOTE=HereICome;1641905]Hey,

Are the lady bars outside the Hilton hotel worth my time or money?[/QUOTE]I'm going to Shanghai in about a month for 10 days, I think I'm staying at the DoubleTree (pudong), be interested to know what the nightlife in that area is like?

[QUOTE=HereICome;1641905]Hey,

Are the lady bars outside the Hilton hotel worth my time or money?[/QUOTE]Depends on how much time you have. If you put in the time and connect with one of the girls there you can get repeat GFE if Shanghai is a regular stop.

If you are just looking for a night out, be prepared to be swamped by girls asking you to buy them drinks.

[QUOTE=HereICome;1641905]Hey,

Are the lady bars outside the Hilton hotel worth my time or money?[/QUOTE]There are much better options.

He massage girls. Cheaper.

Manhattans girls. A guarantee.

BBS girls- one and done.

Bar girls. Hit or miss and a lot time / RMB spent for no guarantee.

It is certainly possible to develop a relationship with one of the many bargirls that work across the street from the Hilton on Hua Shan Lu. I've managed to shag a couple, but it took several nights and lots of follow-up communication to succeed. In the end, I felt that with the limited time I had in Shanghai, it was better to seek out companionship at either a massage parlor or sauna.

Been there a few times on my last few trips. Got lucky on the 2nd time there, got number 3. She's tall, well proportioned (not skinny but not fat), nice see cups with good nipples. Gives a decent massage, then a sexy little dance where she strips down. And then a full-on BBBJCIM. And no nasty sounds of spitting after (she does, but very discreetly). Then some cuddling for 5-10 minutes, a quick shower and on my way. Definitely nice!

Went and scoped this street out around 3 pm yesterday and hit it up tonight. Walked in and went strait to the "room" in 3 different places and got the runaround for 300 right away. Tried to haggle 200 and ended up walking out of 3 places. Finally I said Eff it and went to a different one and happened to follow some local in and he saw me and I did the " after you gesture" and he walked away LOL I told the ladies "ta bu gaoxing" went strait to the room with some 6 looking girl and she wanted 300. I said 300 how about 200 and she said no I had enough, I said ok Ill pay 300 and walked to the main room picked the hottest one and said " ta shi 300 kuai" and took her to the back. We did some small chit chat and got down to business and she tried the BS of BJ of 100 more I said ". You all are way more expensive than the jinqiao nuren I normally go to. I said I didn't want the BJ" and went strait to getting my 300 worth. Haha 3 different positions mish, doggie, and cowgirl. Had a few drinks before so got my fill and came. Had a lot of fun paying a little too much.

Johndoe

This Tuesday night in Shanghai. Anyone interested in joining us? If so, PM me.

Mr. Doe.

I can't find this awesome place, God nose I tried. Can you give us the address and closest cross street? I don't need to know how many positions you employed.

Went and scoped this street out around 3 pm yesterday and hit it up tonight. Walked in and went strait to the "room" in 3 different places and got the runaround for 300 right away. Tried to haggle 200 and ended up walking out of 3 places. Finally I said Eff it and went to a different one and happened to follow some local in and he saw me and I did the " after you gesture" and he walked away LOL I told the ladies "ta bu gaoxing" went strait to the room with some 6 looking girl and she wanted 300. I said 300 how about 200 and she said no I had enough, I said ok Ill pay 300 and walked to the main room picked the hottest one and said " ta shi 300 kuai" and took her to the back. We did some small chit chat and got down to business and she tried the BS of BJ of 100 more I said ". You all are way more expensive than the jinqiao nuren I normally go to. I said I didn't want the BJ" and went strait to getting my 300 worth. Haha 3 different positions mish, doggie, and cowgirl. Had a few drinks before so got my fill and came. Had a lot of fun paying a little too much.

Johndoe.

[QUOTE=TheRooster;1642369]Been there a few times on my last few trips. Got lucky on the 2nd time there, got number 3. She's tall, well proportioned (not skinny but not fat), nice see cups with good nipples. Gives a decent massage, then a sexy little dance where she strips down. And then a full-on BBBJCIM. And no nasty sounds of spitting after (she does, but very discreetly). Then some cuddling for 5-10 minutes, a quick shower and on my way. Definitely nice![/QUOTE]What's the normal tip for BBBJ, or FS? Thanks.

[QUOTE=AppleCourt;1642714]What's the normal tip for BBBJ, or FS? Thanks.[/QUOTE]It is whatever you and the girl agree on. A BBS doesn't need a tip and you can get FS for 300 (200 if you are good).

T if the girl is willing, usually 300-400 on top of the massage fee will get you FS. Your mileage may vary. (YMMV).

I had a massage girl do outcall to my hotel. Cost to the shop was 289+300 tip to the girl. She was willing to do pretty much anything I wanted in the room (BBBJ, FS, DFK DATY,I didn't ask about anal), but we had built up a relationship on 4-6 he massages with 150 rmb tips. In the shop, HJ and roaming was the best I could do.

Frankly at that point, if you have spent 600-800 I would rather spend 1000 and go to manhattans for much better choices. I have also had girls (5-6) offer FS for 600 at the elevator in the hotel on a Friday / Saturday night late.

[QUOTE=Playboy2000;1642645]This Tuesday night in Shanghai. Anyone interested in joining us? If so, PM me.[/QUOTE]Same time next week I'm in!

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My wife will be out of town for the weekend and I want to treat a pro-am I see to a nice hotel, dinner, etc. Do I have to register her at the hotel or can I register myself with my passport and just bring her up later? Does anyone look for this or care that I am bringing a guest?

Thanks for your help.

[QUOTE=BaconAndEggs;1643130]My wife will be out of town for the weekend and I want to treat a pro-am I see to a nice hotel, dinner, etc. Do I have to register her at the hotel or can I register myself with my passport and just bring her up later? Does anyone look for this or care that I am bringing a guest?

Thanks for your help.[/QUOTE]Recently, I've been waiting in the lounge, while the lady checks in alone (Using my local card). I've never been stopped tagging along behind. It saves the hotel the bother of registering a foreigner.

Fz.

I've been in SH for a couple of weeks now and I'm about to leave, so here's a braindump of loosely organized thoughts. I come to SH once every year or so and the situation changes nearly monthly as far as I can tell. Apologies ahead of time for purposely omitted details.

Hotel: Probably because it was an extended stay, my company put me up in a 2-star chain hotel near their local office. A little more specifically, it's in between the middle and inner ring roads in Xuhui District near the edge of Minhang District. There's some construction around that area. Not the prettiest of places, which matters when you take back certain WGs. Many of these chain hotels now require key cards to use the elevator and a security guard manning the door at night. If you book a hotel and you plan to ask girls to go up to your room, check with the hotel if they require cards. Otherwise you'll have to personally bring them up each time and sometimes even register them. Fortunately there are still many hotels that don't require cards. The first hotel I stayed in had this requirement. I looked around the area for a similarly priced hotel which didn't require key cards and my employer agreed to the switch. This made things a lot easier. The location has a few interesting pros however. As I mentioned before in an earlier post, most saunas and BBSs in SH seems to be in Minhang and there was even a small collection of BBSs within a 7 minute walk. So if you're into those options, it's far more convenient than a location closer to the city center.

Using the internet: for my previous visit, Google. Co. Hk and Gmail was usable, but this time, everything Google has been pretty much disabled by the government. I had to switch over to [URL]Outlook.com[/URL] and Bing / Baidu for my email, search and maps. US websites that use Google APIs also loaded very slowly since the browser has to time out on whatever on the page is using Google APIs before loading the rest of the page. Translate. Google. Cn works though. Of course those with VPN won't have this problem.

BBSs: I only went to the small collection of BBSs near my hotel. The local price as I mentioned earlier is normally 200 for FS. I checked out BBSs in other places in Minhang, and the price is the same. However I don't like the cramped spaces that most of these places offer so I wanted to take the girl back. The mamasans at most the locations where I'd have to take cab to will not let their girls go to my hotel, so the ones close by were the only real options for me. Most girls there are 6 and below on the looks scale, but during the first week I found a 7-ish girl from Dalian in her early 20's. She was kind of tall for a Chinese girl, around 170 cm. She gave me a faint smile as I passed the shop. I went inside and I told the mamasan if I can take her out. "Only 2 blocks away" I said. Mamasan gave me a dirty look and asked for 500. Didn't want to negotiate with her since she seemed mostly unwilling to let her go. Luckily the girl and I connected well and the sessions turned into GFE, which is more than what's typical from BBS girls. I repeated 4 times with her. She told me she had a current BF in Dalian, which was kind of a turn on For one of the sessions I asked if she could bring in a friend for some FFM action, 1000 being the total cost. That was a mistake. First, they never did this before and were uncoordinated and had no clue what they were doing. Second the constant wiping with tissues while switching is a huge turn off. My advice to others thinking of FFM, don't do it unless the pair has done it before together. The girl also tells me she pays the shop half of what I pay.

Manhattan & Judys: possibly because of the quality of the hotel where I had been placed, my experience at the pickup bars has been spotty. Last couple of years, the Viets at the pickup bars were guaranteed GFE but not now. The price has also seemed to have increased from sub-1000ST, 1000 LT to 1000ST, 1300-1500 LT. I would highly recommend that customers 'interview' the candidates before bringing them back. To me, the best way is if she seems interested in talking to you, so take the time to converse a bit before leaving the place. I had 3 Viets during these two weeks the best and hottest one by far coming from a more experienced 27 year old named Jenny, 7 or 8/10 on looks. She tells me she's worked before in Dubai and Singapore, so some of these girls have been around it seems. She also gave me one of the best BJs I've ever had from an Asian girl including some sloppy deep throat. A 20-something and a 25 year old who weren't nearly as attractive as Jenny gave me pretty weak experiences. A Venezuelan cost 1500ST and was pretty mediocre as well (referenced in an earlier post). Again, it could be that the hotel is a turn-off to them. I recommend those looking to do a lot of pickup around Manhattan / Judys to get at least a 3-star hotel within a 10 minute cab ride. There were also a group of black girls at Judys, probably African, but black girls are readily available back in the US so I didn't go there.

Saunas: Saunas give you the biggest range of experiences in SH so there's a lot to say there. My hotel location again was convenient in getting to the sauna fields of Minhang district and Chinese sauna girls don't mind budget hotels as long as they're relatively clean. If you read Chinese, there are several Chinese websites where Shanghai saunas advertise. I highly recommend first finding then browsing these sites if you read and type Chinese because 1. You can check out (photoshopped) pictures of the girls ahead of time and their services offered, 2. You can contact a 'sales rep' or jingli ahead of time using QQ or WeChat to check the availability of a girl and reserve her. Certain girls offer facial, anal, bondage, CIM / swallow, even BBFS and cream pie, so if you're into special services, you'll have to be specific with their jingli. The sales rep gets a small commission for each visit. Many saunas offer Russian / European / Korean / Japanese / Kazakh / Black etc. They're much higher priced and higher demand so your chances of getting one is greatly increased if you schedule one with the jingli ahead of time. The lowest priced one I visited cost 540 for a 'dry massage' near Hongzhong Rd / Chengjiaqiaozhi Rd. It was actually the most enthusiastic sauna service I had this time around. The highest priced one I saw advertised was 1400 for a Russian. I tried to schedule her but was she was not available. That same sauna also offered a Japanese girl for the same price. Most saunas also offer different levels of local girls. The be-level are the basic ones costing 600-800, A-level are often priced at 1000 and are typically better looking. Non-Chinese, if available, cost 1200-1400 from what I saw. Be aware that higher price does not equal better service.

Of course if you don't reserve a girl you'll get a lineup. There are two types of lineups, one where the girls are in a fishbowl and they can't see you and one where you're in a room and you can see each other. I'd always prefer the one where they can see you. You're almost guaranteed to get good service if the girl smiles at you. If she likes me, and if she's 5 or above in looks, I'd take her over a 7 or 8. The worst experience I've had at saunas is where I went with a hot girl behind a fishbowl who later had no interest in me. On the opposite end, more than once I had been offered BBFS and 'boyfriend' status on the first session.

Hey all,

I'm currently in SH. New to the forum, but I'm grateful with all this detailed info.

I'm going to start checking out some of these places soon. Meanwhile, I'm thinking of calling up a escort service for incall to my room in a few days. From what I gathered in this thread, there are no good sites for this in Shanghai currently, and most if not all the girls use fake pictures? Has anyone really had any luck with this? And is there also a risk involved re: the authorities?

Also, for you younger guys, have you noticed that free SH Chinese girls have gotten significantly harder? I've hit a slump in the dating scene and that's primarily the reason why I'm getting into this. The girls are not putting out, and I'm too horny to wait. I'm only in my late 20's, so I shouldn't be facing any difficulties.

BJ,

The one I finally stopped at was on the SE corner of Laoshan Lu X Qixia Lu (about 50 m south of the intersection) small shop with door frosted half way up to blur inside and you have to step down into. When done they let you out into an alley behind the place which is nice. BTW there is no reason to be rude.

JD

[QUOTE=Beijing4987;1642663]Mr. Doe.

I can't find this awesome place, God nose I tried. Can you give us the address and closest cross street? I don't need to know how many positions you employed.

Went and scoped this street out around 3 pm yesterday and hit it up tonight. Walked in and went strait to the "room" in 3 different places and got the runaround for 300 right away. Tried to haggle 200 and ended up walking out of 3 places. Finally I said Eff it and went to a different one and happened to follow some local in and he saw me and I did the " after you gesture" and he walked away LOL I told the ladies "ta bu gaoxing" went strait to the room with some 6 looking girl and she wanted 300. I said 300 how about 200 and she said no I had enough, I said ok Ill pay 300 and walked to the main room picked the hottest one and said " ta shi 300 kuai" and took her to the back. We did some small chit chat and got down to business and she tried the BS of BJ of 100 more I said ". You all are way more expensive than the jinqiao nuren I normally go to. I said I didn't want the BJ" and went strait to getting my 300 worth. Haha 3 different positions mish, doggie, and cowgirl. Had a few drinks before so got my fill and came. Had a lot of fun paying a little too much.

Johndoe.[/QUOTE]

Whoever did see "Cecilia" (Classifieds) or had gotten contact with her, would love to get a PM.

Thanks.

Gregory.

[QUOTE=DougTheHead;1643846]Hey all,

I'm currently in SH. New to the forum, but I'm grateful with all this detailed info.

I'm going to start checking out some of these places soon. Meanwhile, I'm thinking of calling up a escort service for incall to my room in a few days. From what I gathered in this thread, there are no good sites for this in Shanghai currently, and most if not all the girls use fake pictures? Has anyone really had any luck with this? And is there also a risk involved re: the authorities?

Also, for you younger guys, have you noticed that free SH Chinese girls have gotten significantly harder? I've hit a slump in the dating scene and that's primarily the reason why I'm getting into this. The girls are not putting out, and I'm too horny to wait. I'm only in my late 20's, so I shouldn't be facing any difficulties.[/QUOTE][URL]http://www.shanghai-nightlife-guide.com/real-escort-girls/[/URL]

The verified section is accurate.

"The girls are not putting out, I'm too horny to wait. I'm only in my late 20's, so I shouldn't be facing any difficulties. ".

Not with that mindset. LOL.

Lets be honest, we all know why we are here. Its for sex. But at least try to be a gentleman about it. Girls in China aren't just walking vaginas waiting for you to fuck them.

If you weren't having any luck before from whatever country you're from, why should you expect to have any luck in China? China, especially cities like Shanghai, are like NYC, Tokyo, London, etc. Its developed.

If all you want is a bunch of "hillbilly village girls" with zero brains, zero future, zero standards, zero education, and zero culture, then go to a poorer area / country. You'll find plenty of girls like that in the Philippines, Indonesia, Thailand, rural areas of China, etc.

Get to know the culture. The typical mindset among most eastern women is to find serious relationships or at least be with men who are capable of showing that they want more than just sex.

Lastly, as someone who is extremely familiar with Chinese culture, I just want to clarify one very important point for all of you.

The novelty of being white in China / Shanghai has run out. Its really not that special anymore.

Just remember, just like in any other city, there are plenty of better looking, wealthier, educated, funnier, and all around better guys out there than you.

China being a prime example. Lots of girls, super spoiled rich kids who spend more in a week than you earn in an entire year.

You want girls? Up your game. And for the sake of all mongers' reputations, show some respect.

[QUOTE=BaconAndEggs;1643130]My wife will be out of town for the weekend and I want to treat a pro-am I see to a nice hotel, dinner, etc. Do I have to register her at the hotel or can I register myself with my passport and just bring her up later? Does anyone look for this or care that I am bringing a guest?

Thanks for your help.[/QUOTE]In my experience, just book your hotel online, check into the hotel, they shouldn't even HAVE to ask for your passport. They might ask for a confirmation number or something.

Then just bring the girl up to your room later (should be fine if your room is booked to be able to have 2 people in it).

I don't think most hotels will care as long as your "date" isn't some trashy looking street working girl.

Ex: last time in SH, I just booked my room on Agoda (5 start hotel), reception didn't ask for passport, and I just brought girls up.

Be polite, and discreet.

On the off chance a certain hotel has its own special rules. Just double check with reception before you book anything.

[QUOTE=GregoryB;1643917]Whoever did see "Cecilia" (Classifieds) or had gotten contact with her, would love to get a PM.

Thanks.

Gregory.[/QUOTE]I met her several times maybe a year ago. Then she left Shanghai. I am happy to see she's back and will probably arrange a meeting very soon.

Since I met her several times, I was obviously very happy with her service. Always fun and just enjoying sex. And yes, if she feels some confidence, she will also offer you her backdoor!

One thing is that she had breast extension. Not big and quiet nice. But if you don't like it then you should pass.

Hi,

Just want to share my favorite at SiYuan.

I don't post a lot here (little difficult to have some spare time at home), and I have the opportunity to do it now!

So for Si Yuan lovers (located at the crossing of Zhangyang Road / Laoshan Rd), you can ask 862.

She has a great toned body with no fat. Very nice small perky breasts, beautiful ass and great skin.

If she likes you, everything is possible (no anal so far. But I'm sure I can have it one day or another!

She is around 1,55 m and 43 kg. She is athletic, which means that if she really wants, she can ride you for a very long time and the hard way!

For me a winner. She just returned from a one month holiday! So I think she will stay around for some time.

[QUOTE=Phazze93;1644038]In my experience, just book your hotel online, check into the hotel, they shouldn't even HAVE to ask for your passport. They might ask for a confirmation number or something.

Then just bring the girl up to your room later (should be fine if your room is booked to be able to have 2 people in it).

I don't think most hotels will care as long as your "date" isn't some trashy looking street working girl.

Ex: last time in SH, I just booked my room on Agoda (5 start hotel), reception didn't ask for passport, and I just brought girls up.

Be polite, and discreet.

On the off chance a certain hotel has its own special rules. Just double check with reception before you book anything.[/QUOTE]I use several categories of hotel in China, but have never been able to check in without showing at least one identification document, or in some hotels where I am a regular guest, the hotel already has the details on the computer, which they print out for the police report.

[QUOTE=Phazze93;1644038]In my experience, just book your hotel online, check into the hotel, they shouldn't even HAVE to ask for your passport. They might ask for a confirmation number or something.

Then just bring the girl up to your room later (should be fine if your room is booked to be able to have 2 people in it).

I don't think most hotels will care as long as your "date" isn't some trashy looking street working girl.

Ex: last time in SH, I just booked my room on Agoda (5 start hotel), reception didn't ask for passport, and I just brought girls up.

Be polite, and discreet.

On the off chance a certain hotel has its own special rules. Just double check with reception before you book anything.[/QUOTE]I use several categories of hotel in China, but have never been able to check in without showing at least one identification document, or in some hotels where I am a regular guest, the hotel already has the details on the computer, which they print out for the police registration.

[QUOTE=Fuzimiao;1644110]I use several categories of hotel in China, but have never been able to check in without showing at least one identification document, or in some hotels where I am a regular guest, the hotel already has the details on the computer, which they print out for the police registration.[/QUOTE]Hi Fuzimiao,

In my experience, I have always had to provide my passport. Police apparently require the date of last entry into China. So reception staff always photocopy both the passport facing page and the page with the most recent entry stamp. This is even if you are a temporary resident of China (with a Foreign Expert certificate), and may not have been outside China for many months.

Maybe requirements differ in different parts of China?

[QUOTE=Fuzimiao;1644109]I use several categories of hotel in China, but have never been able to check in without showing at least one identification document, or in some hotels where I am a regular guest, the hotel already has the details on the computer, which they print out for the police report.[/QUOTE]Most hotels / motels which accept foreigners have a special scanner specifically for passports. One time I actually had to go make a photocopy of my PP when the hotel's scanner was broken.

[QUOTE=Braquo;1644085]Hi,

Just want to share my favorite at SiYuan.

I don't post a lot here (little difficult to have some spare time at home), and I have the opportunity to do it now!

So for Si Yuan lovers (located at the crossing of Zhangyang Road / Laoshan Rd), you can ask 862.

She has a great toned body with no fat. Very nice small perky breasts, beautiful ass and great skin.

If she likes you, everything is possible (no anal so far. But I'm sure I can have it one day or another!

She is around 1,55 m and 43 kg. She is athletic, which means that if she really wants, she can ride you for a very long time and the hard way!

For me a winner. She just returned from a one month holiday! So I think she will stay around for some time.[/QUOTE]So I take it that SiYuan is open now? From what I was reading, I thought the spa was closed.

[QUOTE=Fuzimiao;1644110]I use several categories of hotel in China, but have never been able to check in without showing at least one identification document, or in some hotels where I am a regular guest, the hotel already has the details on the computer, which they print out for the police registration.[/QUOTE]Oh. Perhaps its because I'm Chinese haha and I speak to them in Chinese. But I'm probably not as experienced in this aspect as you are. I've only stayed in Shanghai twice and once was with a friend.

But regardless, showing a passport shouldn't be too big of a deal. I doubt it would affect whether or not the hotel will let you bring girls to your room or not.

I was in Shanghai last week so couldn't go to my usual massage place so decided to call up Lisa who has been recommended by Gregory be.

She turned up at my hotel on time and looking very cute.

She is quite petite with a lovely smile. Looks much nicer than on her photos.

She started with a relaxing back massage before moving between my thighs and working on my legs and bum.

From that point on it was a question of Lisa getting me and keeping me as hard as possible without coming until the end of the 90 minutes. A couple of times I got very close but she slows down the tempo to allow you to cool down before she starts on you man hood again.

You can tell she really enjoys what she is doing which certainly adds to the experience.

When I finally released it really was quite something.

Lisa is very nice lady, very chatty and warm personality and really wants you to enjoy yourself. I really did enjoy it I must say and will certainly see her again next time I'm in Shanghai.

[QUOTE=NonLinear;1644238]So I take it that SiYuan is open now? From what I was reading, I thought the spa was closed.[/QUOTE]Yes, it is running. Only the hotel where the sauna is located is under renovation.

I even received a sms from one of the manager who was explaining that they can even provide some foreign girls (not Chinese ones)!

[QUOTE=Paul178;1644375]I was in Shanghai last week so couldn't go to my usual massage place so decided to call up Lisa who has been recommended by Gregory be.

She turned up at my hotel on time and looking very cute.

She is quite petite with a lovely smile. Looks much nicer than on her photos.

She started with a relaxing back massage before moving between my thighs and working on my legs and bum.

From that point on it was a question of Lisa getting me and keeping me as hard as possible without coming until the end of the 90 minutes. A couple of times I got very close but she slows down the tempo to allow you to cool down before she starts on you man hood again.

You can tell she really enjoys what she is doing which certainly adds to the experience.

When I finally released it really was quite something.

Lisa is very nice lady, very chatty and warm personality and really wants you to enjoy yourself. I really did enjoy it I must say and will certainly see her again next time I'm in Shanghai.[/QUOTE]That sounds impressive, how much does she charge?

I'm going to go read the forum when I get there, seems like a lively and more playful place than other destinations in China.

I'll report back as a newbie with my impressions.

[QUOTE=DougTheHead;1643846]Hey all,

Also, for you younger guys, have you noticed that free SH Chinese girls have gotten significantly harder? I've hit a slump in the dating scene and that's primarily the reason why I'm getting into this. The girls are not putting out, and I'm too horny to wait. I'm only in my late 20's, so I shouldn't be facing any difficulties.[/QUOTE]I'm 24 and I've never been into pickups. Bars, clubs and the like just don't interest me.

[QUOTE=GregoryB;1643917]Whoever did see "Cecilia" (Classifieds) or had gotten contact with her, would love to get a PM.

Thanks.

Gregory.[/QUOTE]Hi there,

Cannot PM, have no pay-account. I met up with her last night, she's very sweet, sexy, working out hard to keep her body in shape. Her English is very good and we had a great evening, also talked a lot afterwards. She's only been here a little bit over a week. Get in touch with her and be nice.

Cheers

Thats why I like ISG!! A lot of sharing good and poor or even bad experiences or warnings. Of course the famous YMMV always holds.

Thanks Foxes, I already had contacted her via WeChat some days ago since and now look even more forward to our meeting, still some days.

To go though.

Gregory.

P.S.

About pay-account, it really is worth it while, at least for me it worked many times. Especially since I never like to.

Go public with details and out of fairness anyway not.

G.

[QUOTE=Foxes;1645188]Hi there,

Cannot PM, have no pay-account. I met up with her last night, she's very sweet, sexy, working out hard to keep her body in shape. Her English is very good and we had a great evening, also talked a lot afterwards. She's only been here a little bit over a week. Get in touch with her and be nice.

Cheers[/QUOTE]

I will be staying at the Pudong Marriot East next trip. My usual haunt is Puxi / jing an. I have provided a lot of good info for that area. Here I am coming up short. Yes, I have been RTFF for a couple years now. Since I don't know the area, the streets are not helpful. I know about the airport ramada. Looking for anything close within walking distance for that late night massage after work. Or even the Friday night take out from the local pick up bar.

Is there a good pick up bar in that area? (like a manhattans or Judy's) or he massage?

This will be my first trip. Feel free to PM me is you would rather.

SAM.

Hello,

Just a quick one.

2 weeks ago I paid a visit to Sacrosa. Had a line up of a out 6/7 girls. All the girls wear the same outfit in Sacrosa.

Decided to go for 360. When I choose her, she thanked me for picking her up.

As I remember, she is rather tall and thin. She has a slender body and nice be cup tits.

She can speak a little English and has no issue with foreigners.

Once in the room, after she brings back her stuff and gave her phone call to start the session, I directly start my BFE (boyfriend exp) on her: soft caresses, light kisses in the neck. She likes it and the I slowly move my lips to hers. After a few minutes, we are in a DFK session and I still keep on running my hands softly all around her body. In the meantime, I remove one by one her dress, bra and panty. But she still has her high heels one. We face the mirror and enjoy the view both of us while still DFKing.

While I have my hands on her cheeks, neck, breasts, nipples, flat belly, ass and pussy / clit, she also explores me and finally goes down to take my hard cock in her mouth. During all that period we are standing near the bed looking at each other or in the mirror and she keeps smiling. After a few move on my cock, I push her one the bed and start licking her body. I finish licking her pussy and clit with some light fingering. She will not let me make her come since it is early afternoon and she tells me that if she comes she will be tired for the day. So we switch back and she goes again for BBBJ while my fingers play with her pussy and clit. After a few min, she caps me and we go mish. Several positions, doggy, cow girl, spoon.

She asks me to come since I am pounding her for 20 min.

I pull out, remove the cap and stroke myself. When I am about to come I ask her to take make cock in her mouth and release inside!

Since you have to stay 70 min in Sacrosa. We rest and talk. 20 min before the session end, I ask for a second round. She is not so happy because I fucked her too hard but she accepts anyway. This time she puts back her heels, stands up and I take her from behind, her hands on the mirror. We do a few more positions, then I put her on her back on the bed, me still standing and pound her deep. I finally remove my condom and come on her belly and breast.

We rest a few minutes, have some light kiss and get dressed.

It was a good session and I see her again. She gave me her wechat so I can tell her in advance when I want to meet.

[QUOTE=Foxes;1645188]Hi there,

Cannot PM, have no pay-account. I met up with her last night, she's very sweet, sexy, working out hard to keep her body in shape. Her English is very good and we had a great evening, also talked a lot afterwards. She's only been here a little bit over a week. Get in touch with her and be nice.

Cheers[/QUOTE]Foxes,

How much did you pay her?

OAH.

[QUOTE=SamCan;1645395]I will be staying at the Pudong Marriot East next trip. My usual haunt is Puxi / jing an. I have provided a lot of good info for that area. Here I am coming up short. Yes, I have been RTFF for a couple years now. Since I don't know the area, the streets are not helpful. I know about the airport ramada. Looking for anything close within walking distance for that late night massage after work. Or even the Friday night take out from the local pick up bar.

Is there a good pick up bar in that area? (like a manhattans or Judy's) or he massage?

This will be my first trip. Feel free to PM me is you would rather.

SAM.[/QUOTE]Sam.

Everything is a taxi ride. Options include Bodi for FS. Can also try MySpa on MingYua Lu near BaiHua Lu in Jinqiao for a he. Not sure about walking distance. This is beyond my radius.

SH.

[QUOTE=SamCan;1640564]Best freaking BJ in Shanghai, Enjoy.

Sam.[/QUOTE]I have visited the place today and asked for #18.

I was sent to one room in the back. The room was a little dirty as you could see lots of spider webs and around 4/5 big spiders on the ceiling!

Anyway, #18 arrived and asked me to properly clean my ass since she would put her tongue there: the.

I showered and waited her on the bed. She did a quick dry massage (I did not want oil) during 5/10 min. She removed her top and started to "massage" me with her breast. I then asked her to get totally naked and she did without any problem. Then she licked my neck, back, legs and took care of my ass hole for a long time (very relaxing).

I turn on my back and she start to lick my nipples and tease my cock. I used my hands to play with her nipples and clit but she did not want any fingering inside her pussy. So without asking anything, she moved to 69 and I licked her pussy while she was sucking me! After a few minutes, she was so wet that I asked her if she wanted to fuck. She agreed, capped me and we went for mish.

I came after 10 min of pounding her pussy and she was really loud!

I gave her 200 rmb (she asked for it before fucking) and 268 rmb at the counter.

My main issue here was the room. Fucking with spiders on the ceiling. So so.

[QUOTE=ShangHangin;1645659]Sam.

Everything is a taxi ride. Options include Bodi for FS. Can also try MySpa on MingYua Lu near BaiHua Lu in Jinqiao for a he. Not sure about walking distance. This is beyond my radius.

SH.[/QUOTE]Bummer, I like a nice evening walk. It looks like myspa is 2 KM away. That will work. I guess it is not like jing an where there are 4-5 he joints a 10 min walk from my hotel. The search will still be new and exciting.

Bro,

I had fixed an appointment with her on Saturday night. I. e. 15th. I was really looking forward to it. I had a brief conversation with her before I went to SH. Also told her would contact her when reach there. So it was all set, I messages her the moment my flight landed and told her I would reach hotel soon and go out for a dinner with my friends and would meet her around 12 . Everything was fine till the.

When I was done with the dinner about 20 minutes late from the fixed time. She didn't answer. Also tried calling her a few times, but no answer.

She sent me a message in the morning that she fell asleep. It sucked man. I was left hard and no one to help. But like your praise about her, I think I missed a good chance. Anyways would be back next moth to try her. Hopefully it's a hit.

My spies tell me the MP at 851 Shaanxi Road has given the workers two days off this week. Has anybody been there recently.

BJ.

[QUOTE=Beijing4987;1646576]My spies tell me the MP at 851 Shaanxi Road has given the workers two days off this week. Has anybody been there recently.

BJ.[/QUOTE]I was there this Tuesday. And had a FS session with #18.

Hello,

580 Nanjing Xi Lu (near by the fake market).

6th Floor.

One quick report regarding number 69. I saw her picture on Mikko and decided to meet her. She is new in Shanghai, arrived a month ago. She is a be category girl, so the price is 900 for foreigners (830 for Chinese. Size thing!

She is 21 years old. Around 1,60 m and no fat. She had a few pimples on the skin but a really nice body, great the / E cup soft but firm and a pussy with no hair. For me, a real winner!

The cons:

- She won't accept DATY or pussy fingering.

- She won't accept kissing.

- Her BJ is not good yet.

The pro.

- she is totally in experimented, so lots of room for improvement!

- after a few meetings, I am convinced she will accept every thing!

We had a 'nuru' session. But I am not really a fan since very few girls can do it properly!

So after this wet part, I skipped the cat bath and we started the fuck session: mish, doggy and cowgirl. We fucked for about 20/25 min and she did not complain.

Finished by a hand job licking my nipples.

The place is ok. What I liked is that you don't need to change in a common room. You directly go to the room with the girl.

I will return next week. I told her I will eat her pussy. She smiled and said may be! To be continued!

I discussed with Mikko via Wechat after the session. She told me I should tip her to install some trust and get more from her. So I will try that!

Braquo.

Yes we know. Can you share the details by PM next time? 18 is already getting too hard to book. Follow Apple Court's good example!

I used your link last week and got an outcall to my room.

Can confirm now they're using fake pictures. At least, with the girl I got she was not like her pictures at all. However, she was still cute and had a decent body. She was fun but she mentioned she wanted to leave early, and took a shower early after we took a break. I wasn't even finished with her yet. So she stayed around until the time was up and mostly just cuddled up to me and chatted with me in Chinese while touching and rubbing me.

I'm thinking of trying Mystique next. Can anyone confirm she's real?

[QUOTE=Phazze93;1644024]The verified section is accurate...[/QUOTE]

Maybe someone can help me out here. Been a while since I visited Manhattans but went tonight it was totally packed. Ended up taking back a cute Viet back to my hotel but the second we got into the room, she asked for money upfront? From what I remember, you should never do that, so I made my point that its not my first time and I always paid in the morning (we agreed to 1.5 k rmb for the night for those interested) but she wouldn't budge. Ended up just kicking her out. Question. Is that the norm now? Pay upfront? Planning to go back this weekend sometime should would be great if someone could clarify for me. All in all, pretty disappointing night since I was really looking forward to picking up there tonight!

Thanks in advance.

[QUOTE=SamCan;1646014]Bummer, I like a nice evening walk. It looks like myspa is 2 KM away. That will work. I guess it is not like jing an where there are 4-5 he joints a 10 min walk from my hotel. The search will still be new and exciting.[/QUOTE]You don't need to go so far for an expensive he. From your hotel go left then next left into Hongfeng Lu, across the road are two massage places where the charming ladies will be happy to help you. They'll be looking for about 700 for he, will not want to go much below 500. Think of 1000 and up for anything more. My Spa is similar, with even more pressure to buy the dreaded VIP card. You'll notice ShaNaNa on the corner. I've often thought there must be more than foot massage going on there judging by the expensive cars parked outside, but never found or heard anything to confirm that. I can't suggest any FS place within reasonable walking distance, there are numerous BBS on the other side of Yang Gao Lu (Jintai Lu and Jinkou Lu area). No local bars like Judy's either, although you might find a FL girl in the Big Bamboo on Hongfeng Lu or the cluster of small bars in the other direction, on the corner of Yanggao Lu. You could take a 15 minute taxi to the infamous strip of bars on ChangYi Lu / Dongfang Lu, but they're more about high pressure, over-priced "lady drinks" these days. The last thing they want is for you to take their money-extractors off the premises before they close around 5 am.

Good luck!

[QUOTE=Ringer5;1646966]You don't need to go so far for an expensive he. .

Good luck![/QUOTE]Thanks, not looking for an expensive one, more the less expensive one! In Jing ann 268+ 200 got you a decent massage, he and roaming. 700 for an he?

Man maybe I 'll be doing it myself! LOL.

[QUOTE=Braquo;1646620]Hello,

580 Nanjing Xi Lu (near by the fake market).

6th Floor.

One quick report regarding number 69. I saw her picture on Mikko and decided to meet her. She is new in Shanghai, arrived a month ago. She is a be category girl, so the price is 900 for foreigners (830 for Chinese. Size thing!

[/QUOTE]Nice report thank you. I've been to this Sauna many times and always enjoyed it. One question. What is Mikko?

[QUOTE=ChuckleOne;1647024]One question. What is Mikko?[/QUOTE]In fact who is Mikko. She is one of the 'Manager' I suppose.

She has a wechat account where she publishes everyday the girls who are on duty. She also publishes pictures of the girls, so you can pre-reserve if you like what you see.

[QUOTE=Braquo;1646620]
I will return next week. I told her I will eat her pussy. She smiled and said may be! To be continued!

I discussed with Mikko via Wechat after the session. She told me I should tip her to install some trust and get more from her. So I will try that![/QUOTE]Returned today.

I tipped her at the beginning of the session.

But still no progress.

Still a very good fuck session, longer than the first one since I passed on the nuru part. This time she also had her orgasm (not the case last time), but still the same restrictions.

I will try a few more times and see if I can get some improvements. If not I will ask Mikko to direct me to the raunchiest ones. LOL.

[QUOTE=DougTheHead;1646649]I used your link last week and got an outcall to my room.

Can confirm now they're using fake pictures. At least, with the girl I got she was not like her pictures at all. However, she was still cute and had a decent body. She was fun but she mentioned she wanted to leave early, and took a shower early after we took a break. I wasn't even finished with her yet. So she stayed around until the time was up and mostly just cuddled up to me and chatted with me in Chinese while touching and rubbing me. I'm thinking of trying Mystique next. Can anyone confirm she's real?[/QUOTE]Would you mind to mention, which girl you met with faked pictures? We spend a lot of effort to avoid faked pictures there, and if the girls don't want to show their faces, they can blur or hide it, so I am pretty sure no faked picture there any more. So the only way I could guess is, that there was a girl who just send out another girl because she was unavailable that time? This is also strictly against our rules, but much more hard to control than using a faked picture! So it would be very helpful, if you could specify it a little bit more instead of just generalize it to "they're using fake pictures". Thanks for your support!

About your question for Mystique: yes, she is real and also her pictures are real, but to be honest, you will have to pay 3 times more than for an average outcall escort just for a special "body and face" and for the "acknowledgment", to be together with a real model, but her service does not justify her high price! Don't expect any special porn experience or a very special girlfriend experience from her! At least I got that impression by my interview with her, even I guy wrote different in her comment area, but could be they found the right chemistry between them or he just wanted to support her. But I can confirm she use her real pictures on the page and she really did several model shootings, even for big brands. At least she did that in the last 3 month while I follow her "career" personally.

[QUOTE=BeijingCbc;1646935]Maybe someone can help me out here. Been a while since I visited Manhattans but went tonight it was totally packed. Ended up taking back a cute Viet back to my hotel but the second we got into the room, she asked for money upfront? From what I remember, you should never do that, so I made my point that its not my first time and I always paid in the morning (we agreed to 1.5 k rmb for the night for those interested) but she wouldn't budge. Ended up just kicking her out. Question. Is that the norm now? Pay upfront? Planning to go back this weekend sometime should would be great if someone could clarify for me. All in all, pretty disappointing night since I was really looking forward to picking up there tonight!

Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]Never pay these girls in advance, if they don't want, kick them out.

I was in Shanghai last week too, met a nice Viet girl in Mannhattens and agree 1000 for LT, she was a real cutie, wanted the money first, but I refused, she accepted and we spend a fabulous night.

She is now back to Vietnam but still text me every day by wechat.

Not sure she will be back to Shanghai soon.

I was there this Tuesday. And had a FS session with #18.

Braquo.

My spies were correct. Now 851 Shaanxi is closed for one week by LE. One day after your most detailed report. 18 wiil not respond to text messages and the place has locked the girls inside. Some coincidence？Except for the mornings 18 had a two hour waiting list before your report. Now she is stiting on a block of ice making no money.

[QUOTE=Braquo;1647130]Returned today.

I tipped her at the beginning of the session.

But still no progress. [/QUOTE]Since when are we starting to tip in a sauna? Even before any service received? This is a reason Sacrosa is very strict on bringing in your wallet (must stay in the locker room).

[QUOTE=ThomasJefferson;1647213]Never pay these girls in advance, if they don't want, kick them out.

I was in Shanghai last week too, met a nice Viet girl in Mannhattens and agree 1000 for LT, she was a real cutie, wanted the money first, but I refused, she accepted and we spend a fabulous night.

She is now back to Vietnam but still text me every day by wechat.

Not sure she will be back to Shanghai soon.[/QUOTE]Yup, never pay up front, especially on LT. You will be lucky to get one good pop. Interesting, I had a cute viet last time from judy's for 1000 LT. After a couple pops, I put the money on the nightstand. She said what's wrong? You say you pay me in morning? She did not want to leave and the chemistry was good. I kept her for a 3rd pop and told her to leave. I just can't sleep with someone I don't know next to me.

I have paid half up front once but never in full. Next time tell them before you leave the hotel.

[QUOTE=Changlelu;1647289]Since when are we starting to tip in a sauna? Even before any service received? This is a reason Sacrosa is very strict on bringing in your wallet (must stay in the locker room).[/QUOTE]In fact I met her 2 days before. And this time she managed to come earlier just for me. So following Mikko's advice and because I wanted to thank her for coming almost one hour in advance for me, I tipped her. She was very surprised anyway!

But, I'm not sure it will lead to any additional service! I will probably see her two more times. If not progress, I will stop seeing her. As for the tip, this was a first time for me in a sauna. I don't know if I'll repeat it!

So far this is the second sauna place where I think it is possible since you change in the room with the girl. The other being Tang Dynasty (BTW, this one is great but really too far away).

Hi,

I just wanted to make a comment regarding Shanghai Nightlife Guide website.

First, let me say that this website is great and really useful. Thank you for the work done!

However, I have one comment regarding the 'Escort' section. I noticed that the new girls posting their info there are now asking more and more money. Prices are now higher than what you have to pay in Europe!

I understand the girls are free to set whatever price they want but the webmaster should not allow this price increase. I discussed with lots of girls via wechat and some are really crazy about their asking price.

For that reason I would recommend not to accept anymore those high prices. One hour session shall not be higher than a sauna session when you get the room and the food. And I don't even talk a out 2 hours session prices!

On my side, I never give more than 1500 rmb (all included, which I think is really high already) for a 2 hours session and often pay 1000 rmb only.

Your comments from all of you are most welcomed.

[QUOTE=SamCan;1646988]Thanks, not looking for an expensive one, more the less expensive one! In Jing ann 268+ 200 got you a decent massage, he and roaming. 700 for an he?

Man maybe I 'll be doing it myself! LOL.[/QUOTE]If it's reached that stage, it might be time to have a look across the other side of Yang Gao road. Left out of your hotel, right at the crossroad and go north on Hongfeng Lu. Cross the highway (Yang Gao), the first turn on your left will be Yinshan Lu. Close to the corner are a few massage shops. Choose one with a girl in short black dress in the doorway, you should find what you seek. If you continue along Yinshan you should find some BBS just after the junction with Jinkou Lu.

Alternatively, continue along Hongfeng Lu to Jintai Lu, turning right. There are some BBS on the left side about 100 m from the junction but their opening hours seem pretty irregular. There are some massage places on the opposite side which look promising but I've no personal experience there.

[QUOTE=Braquo;1647418]Hi,

I just wanted to make a comment regarding Shanghai Nightlife Guide website.

First, let me say that this website is great and really useful. Thank you for the work done!

However, I have one comment regarding the 'Escort' section. I noticed that the new girls posting their info there are now asking more and more money. Prices are now higher than what you have to pay in Europe!

I understand the girls are free to set whatever price they want but the webmaster should not allow this price increase. I discussed with lots of girls via wechat and some are really crazy about their asking price.

For that reason I would recommend not to accept anymore those high prices. One hour session shall not be higher than a sauna session when you get the room and the food. And I don't even talk a out 2 hours session prices!

On my side, I never give more than 1500 rmb (all included, which I think is really high already) for a 2 hours session and often pay 1000 rmb only.

Your comments from all of you are most welcomed.[/QUOTE]It seems this industry, more than any is subject to the lawi of supply and demand.

There seems to be ample supply. No need to go with providers that quote such high prices.

I guess nobody is forced to pay, but that is a free market.

There is only a question of competition and there is ample around.

It's quite easy: keep LB under control and just say NO and send them home or tell right that's it or leave it.

All the best and have a beer or two instead.

Gregory.

[QUOTE=Explorer88;1647465]It seems this industry, more than any is subject to the lawi of supply and demand.

There seems to be ample supply. No need to go with providers that quote such high prices.[/QUOTE]

You can't be serious. It is not up to webmaster to set market prices but you (us) as consumer. We get it when trying to hire legitimate staff, they expect ridiculous salaries now in China. Same is happening across the market that this forum deals with. One sets a budget and either declines or digs into contingency. But the information must flow.

[QUOTE=Braquo;1647418]Hi,

I just wanted to make a comment regarding Shanghai Nightlife Guide website.

First, let me say that this website is great and really useful. Thank you for the work done!

However, I have one comment regarding the 'Escort' section. I noticed that the new girls posting their info there are now asking more and more money. Prices are now higher than what you have to pay in Europe!

I understand the girls are free to set whatever price they want but the webmaster should not allow this price increase. I discussed with lots of girls via wechat and some are really crazy about their asking price.

For that reason I would recommend not to accept anymore those high prices. One hour session shall not be higher than a sauna session when you get the room and the food. And I don't even talk a out 2 hours session prices!

On my side, I never give more than 1500 rmb (all included, which I think is really high already) for a 2 hours session and often pay 1000 rmb only.

Your comments from all of you are most welcomed.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Braquo;1647418]Hi,

I would recommend not to accept anymore those high prices. One hour session shall not be higher than a sauna session when you get the room and the food.

Your comments from all of you are most welcomed.[/QUOTE]I am totally with you! But I think the market should regulate it. From our view it should be on the customers not to accept anymore those high prices! But we also get tired by the actual situation. The rates going up and up and than the girls even complain, that our page don't bring enough business to them. We try to explain to every girl, that as higher they charge, as less customers they will have, and if they would reach the level of the sauna or Manhattan club girls, they would be able to get more customers than they could handle, but nearly no girl seems to understand that. From my view it's even a culture difference! Nearly every foreigner is very clear about a direct relation between price and number of sales. In China the price often just related to your hand at bargaining, so my feeling is, for a lot of Chinese people a lower price doesn't mean you will get more business, it just mean your bargaining skills are lousy, so that finally you will earn less!

And for me, is totally not to be understood that the girls never compare their effort and reveniew in a reasonable way. I had a discussion like that with a sauna girl some weeks ago, when she decided to go back to her sauna work, because she made too less money on our page. In her sauna she has to be on location 12 to 14 hours a day, 25 days a month and each time she has a customer, she will get 400 RMB for 80 minutes. So in a month she would get around 30 000 RMB, but for that she also has to serve every working day 3 customers and each time 80 minutes hard work! On our page she asked for 1400 for one hour and made less than 30 000 a month! I told her, if she would ask for 800 for a one hour session, she also could get much more customers a day and than she could earn even much more than in the sauna! But at the same time she is more free to go out, stay at home and so on. She really did not believe me and she was sure, that if she would ask less, than she would also earn less. In her stubborn brain the number of customers seems to be "fixed", so that lower her rate will follow up to less money. The only idea I have to explain this "blocked perspective" is, that first normally this girls didn't just finish their MBA before they started with their sauna work, so a good business sense is not something you can expect, and second, from their working experience, if you work in a sauna with higher price, you will just earn more, because you will not have less customers than in a cheap sauna.

They definitely often don't understand anything about how the market will go! Most girls just check other girls profiles and than ask for the rate the most expensive girl on the page will ask for, because than she think she will earn the maximum, but she will not consider, that the other girl for example is much more pretty, younger or can speak good English, has a much better service or what ever! Or even simply the other girl has very less business! You can see that clearly on our Beijing page. We started with some "high class" models there with perfect English skills, pretty and young, but very expensive. The result now is, that every old ugly part time girl there think 2000 per hour is an adequate rate!

Another reason why the girls on our page ask a higher price is the strict rule, that they are not allowed to try any upselling. All the rates you pay outside in clubs or on other webpages are based on a "mixed calculations". If you are the lucky guy who take home the girl from Manhattan for 600 or 800 RMB, there will be a greenhorn somewhere who pay 3000 RMB for the same from time to time, so overall she will reach her target, even this target is higher than the 800 RMB. In typical classifieds here in Shanghai the girls ask for 300 to 600 RMB for a "massage", but sometimes the girls will even go out of the room with RMB 5000 for a short time session, just because the customer could not withstand her permanent price negotiations! On our page we kick all girls out who try any kind of upselling, so a "mixed calculation" don't work on our page. The result is, the basic price she will agree to write in her profile will be the final price and is therefore naturally higher than the lowest price you could negotiate in a mixed calculation.

Also irritating for me is, that Chinese guys are weird enough to pay totally overpriced rates too! There is a very cheap market for Chinese guys, like for example the typical barbershop or QQ girls, where Chinese pay 150 to 500 RMB, but on the other side there are so many Chinese guys who don't care to pay 3000 or even 5000 RMB for a lousy "one shoot session", just because they can afford it! I guess it's a kind of "showing off" that they have the money for that, but that's just my personal point of view. So girls who also provide escort for Chinese customers often don't understand, why they should charge less from foreigners, who should not be more poor from their point of view. For example Mystique has no problem to find Chinese customers for her "overpriced" rate, so she totally did not get the point, why she should to lower her rate for foreigners. This could be the second culture difference in this business! Chinese guys like to spend a lot of money on girls, just to show that they have the financial background for that! Most foreigners expect to get more, if they spend more, even they are rich and don't need to care about this small expenses. But in western culture every price should be related to what you get for, otherwise it's a cheating deal! Just an easy example: most foreign guys will be "shy" and think they have fallen for a scam, if they payed 10 000 RMB for a average short girls session. And most foreigners will keep it as a secret, because they are scared the people around would consider they are totally stupid! Most Chinese guys would tell it to everyone, and they would be very sure all around will respect them for that, because they could afford a session like that, so that means they are rich and successful! Or about the KTV parties: I think most western guys will totally find no sense in going to a high class KTV, spend 10 000 to 20 000 RMB each for just singing and drinking with some very pretty girls, but with definitely not any "special" service! But thousands of Japanese and Chinese guys doing that every day here in Shanghai! Why? I think just to show others they can do it!

But back to the suggestion, just not to accept requested rates like that.

We spend a lot of effort for consulting the girls and we will give them a lot of support and help to be successful on our page, but the final decision what they will offer and how much they want to charge for is up to the girls! For us that's an important point for the girls of being independent! From our view, we can set up rules to avoid cheating, but how they do their business is up to the girls, as long as they are honest and tell it clearly before they meet a customer! And the price is obviously for everyone, so if they charge to high, it's their decision and their problem, not our problem, and also not the customers problem. If he accept the price, it's a deal between two people who are both free in their decision. And frankly on our page there are plenty other ways to find cheap girls described detailed and with rates, so if someone want to find a cheap deal, he can find several saunas and pickup clubs just by some clicks. So finally we think it should not be our mission to interfere free deals on the market. We established basic rules to ensure that everything will be fair, all others should be controlled by the market!

And honestly, it is damned hard to find girls who agree with our rules, especially the real pictures, because they think on all other pages it works without that, so why not on our page? Many girls because of that already just put their profile somewhere else, so we are very happy for everyone who agree to put a real picture on our webpage and for every girl who is willing to spend at least an reasonable service to avoid bad comments, so we don't want to risk "loosing" any girl by force them charging less.

But we really hope we can get their price down step by step, because than the girls will get more customers and will complain less and our page will get more attractive for our visitors. We work hard to find ways how to to it and we will work on it continuously. For example we just now try to set up a "deal of the day" and our Chinese manager is on the way to convince the girls to agree to lower their price radically for one day from time to time, and we really hope that we can reach a rethink, when the girls will see, that on this "special offer day" they have really more customers! They will certainly have to work more, but for most Chinese girls this will not be a problem, if they also will finally have more money in their pocket! If they will realize it, we hope there will be a chance that some want to try it later on a daily base.

[QUOTE=BeijingCbc;1646935]Maybe someone can help me out here. Been a while since I visited Manhattans but went tonight it was totally packed. Ended up taking back a cute Viet back to my hotel but the second we got into the room, she asked for money upfront? From what I remember, you should never do that, so I made my point that its not my first time and I always paid in the morning (we agreed to 1.5 k rmb for the night for those interested) but she wouldn't budge. Ended up just kicking her out. Question. Is that the norm now? Pay upfront? [/QUOTE]I know my post here will be opposite to the common sense in this forum and I don't want to offend anyone, but just let me "play the devil's advocate" for some time, OK?

So many guys here are "proud" not to be a greenhorn and never ever paid in advance.

But from my view, every business is a deal between two partners, and if they don't know each other, it's logical that everybody distrusts the other side! And this is the point! The girl also don't know you, how can she trust you? I think just decide never pay in front shows that you don't respect your "business partner"! Would you ever agree a similar deal like that! Imagine your customer forced you to deliver your service or product, but tell you very clear, that he will pay for it later, no deposit, no down payment, no payment guarantee. And you know very clear, if he just don't want to pay, there is no way for you to get your money. Would you or your company ever agree to a deal like that? But that's exactly what you expect the girls to do!

Could be you never think about guys who will also cheat these girls? I am in touch with some escort girls, and especially the sauna girls are not used to ask for money upfront (because in a sauna the guys just pay at the counter when they leave), so they often not ask for money. And outside in this city they are enough guys who think, why should they pay after they got already what they wanted. And the girls have no pimp or anyone who can make sure they will get their money. They have no chance to call the police or give any other trouble to the customer and if they will fight, the police definitely will give trouble to the girl, never to the guest. Believe it or not, there are enough guys, even customers in expensive 5 star hotels who play games like that! Especially foreigners, because they know they will be gone soon, so they don't need to think about any upcoming problems!

So I really can understand all the girls who don't accept to get the money afterwards, on the other side I know there are also too many girls in this business, and even getting more and more the last years in Manhattan club, who will never keep their "service promise" after getting paid.

But anyone who is in business should know, that in a situation like that just insist to be the reliable one without any proof and same time insist the other one is not even a little bit trustful is not really a polite strategy. From my point of view it's just the use of a "supposed" power of the guy who think the girl need a customer so much, that she will agree to a deal, where she cover 100% of the risk and he has no risk.

I am very sorry for your bad experience with the girl who left you back in frustration, but if you all here would "take over the girls hat" for a moment and think from the girls position in that deal, how many of you would have stayed and accept to do a deal with someone, who show you clearly, that he don't trust you even a little bit, but same time expect you to accept, that he expect all service upfront without any proof that he will pay?

And if the girl "go out of the deal" at this point of business negotiation sometimes is not the often rumored "proof", that she would have cheated you anyway, it can also be the proof, that this girl has enough self confidence to know, she can find a more considerate business partner who also respect her situation. Or she just has been able to keep her pride, even she work in that business!

And I doubt a little bit, that the "never money upfront" strategy really works so well like we can read it here so often. Just from logical and psychology view, I am pretty sure, that a fight of power with a clear winner and a clear looser will not so often follow up in a great sex session with great girlfriend experience, perhaps except the couples who are in the SM game and playing with "power" already! There will be guys who don't care if the girl is happy or pissed off, as long as she work hard to make sure she get her money, and there will also be girls who can "switch off" their frustration, but over all, I would guess there are more good sessions destroyed by that rule than we all think. Most likely the guys who had a bad night never will know, if it would be much better with another start and even they guess the reason, they will have less motivation to share their experience than the guys who got a great girlfriend night even after insist to pay afterwards.

I really would like to appeal to all guys here for a fair treatment of the girls! There should be a way for a compromise. What about for example split the risk by pay half upfront, half afterwards? Or sometimes it is even already enough to deposit the cash on a place where she know she could definitely get it later. It will show at least, that you prepared the cash and also implies that you are willing to pay. You definitely should make clear, that you provided the cash for her already, because the guys going to cheat a girl, often don't even have the money in the room. For a overnight agreement it could be a way to pay the short time rate first, because here the most common scam is just to take the overnight money and find a excuse to leave after the first shot, but it's uncommon that the girl will took the money and leave without any service, so this is not very risky. And than next morning you just pay the extra overnight charge.

I think every step in the girls direction which will show that you respect her and showing understanding also for her concerns will totally change the atmosphere and should be a much better start in a girlfriend session than treat her without any respect first and than some minutes later expect her to spend a lot of effort to give you a great time.

Just my private point of view.

I can't really say it's a report, but I stand by this story being 90-91% accurate and truthful.

So again I found myself at Nanjing East Road, just left a dinner and wanted to cool off a bit. Lot's of smog but nothing I could really do about it.

As per my previous walks along this road full of neon and blind trolley drivers, the touts were out doing their thing. After about 5 or 6 times of ignoring and saying no, I ended up with this pudgy dude with bad teeth. Now I know following a tout is not recommended by the denizens of this forum, in fact I don't ever recommend it myself but I did it anyway.

Ended up in a taxi to the Sichuan North Road area, a bit of a ways from Nanjing Lu, and again, this isn't recommended. Through the hole journey my mind was going, 'What am I doing? Just get out of the bloody taxi now. Really. Go home. ' Of course I never listen to myself. Entered a door with this yellow and floral tint, I don't remember the exact address but I'd recognise it if I saw it again. From then was then hurried into a room, and given a lineup, then chose one. Now before the whole deal went down, I told the tout I only had 100 Y, and he was like 'no problem, that's fine. ' Of course I knew it wasn't but I went along with it. I did have my visa cards with me, but they're both empty, because living a student life sucks up finances.

Before we start the mamasan I assume, gives me like an interrogation, made no difference to me. Paid the 100 to her and she left looking a bit upset.

Back of the KTV room and the girl; she was fairly good looking, tall, nice rack. For 100 all I would assume I'd get was a handjob so, we started and sure enough it was terrible. About 15 minutes of her violently tugging and smashing on my balls. Then she gets the idea, 'wait, lotion. That's should work' Really? I wish you would have thought of that earlier. But still nothing was going to happen and I certainly wasn't going to finish with my dick feeling like it was being pulled off and my man sausages smashed into a pulp. So we agreed to leave it at that. Figured well I'd leave now, needed to get home anyway.

Oh wait, no. Things are never that easy.

This dude walks in, black shirt, slim, good looking fairly good english. 'Oh wait. Let's have a chat. '.

Oh boy.

So, the 100 Y was just the tip. Nevermind the fact that this was never mentioned beforehand at all, but of course they knew this. I go, 'I have no more money. ' Now that wasn't going to go well with them. He leaves and three other dudes walk in, all black shirts and gold chains. 'Great the muscle is here. ' Now despite my. Appearance I'm not very strong, but I'm more than ready to fight dirty. I'll bite off man bits if I have to.

Now one of the new guys is all big and tough, acting macho. He wants 10,000 Y, but since I'm a student; he'll give me a discount. Of course unless I want my school and the police to know. 'Really? You're telling me this is all illegal. Worse that happens to me is I spend 6 months in jail as you said, or I get deported. I'm not the one running the place so who gets into the most trouble here? There are cameras in the room? Really? Great. Do it. I'll take my punishment. ' he doesn't say anything to that. I empty my pockets, nothing. We go upstairs to where his boss is, there's a machine to check the cards. Voila, all empty.

No now, Mr. Tough is all quiet, he scuffles off in the corner and tell me to just go. I'm about to leave, and his boss speaks up. 'Young man, blah blah. I hope you understand that we can't refund you but I'm sorry if my employee cause you any trouble, but you really shouldn't be here. You should be focusing on your studies etc. I'll give you a ride back to the station, and I'll take with my employee. '.

That was it. Get a ride back to the metro station and went home. Though I really wished that tout was around so I could kick him in the fucking teeth. And I really learned my lesson this time, I'm never following a tout again. Well. We'll see.

Has anyone ever had a good experience with a tout?

[QUOTE=Ringer5;1647460]If it's reached that stage, it might be time to have a look across the other side of Yang Gao road. Left out of your hotel, right at the crossroad and go north on Hongfeng Lu. Cross the highway (Yang Gao), the first turn on your left will be Yinshan Lu. Close to the corner are a few massage shops. Choose one with a girl in short black dress in the doorway, you should find what you seek. If you continue along Yinshan you should find some BBS just after the junction with Jinkou Lu.

Alternatively, continue along Hongfeng Lu to Jintai Lu, turning right. There are some BBS on the left side about 100 m from the junction but their opening hours seem pretty irregular. There are some massage places on the opposite side which look promising but I've no personal experience there.[/QUOTE]Thanks Ringer, just joking, but with manhattan's and Judy's offering full FS take home for 1000, seven hundred for a one shot he starts to sound pretty high.

I appreciate the advice. I am glad there is something there to occupy my time after work.

Sam.

[QUOTE=ShanghaiGuide;1647626]I know my post here will be opposite to the common sense in this forum and I don't want to offend anyone, but just let me "play the devil's advocate" for some time, OK?

So many guys here are "proud" not to be a greenhorn and never ever paid in advance.



I think every step in the girls direction which will show that you respect her and showing understanding also for her concerns will totally change the atmosphere and should be a much better start in a girlfriend session than treat her without any respect first and than some minutes later expect her to spend a lot of effort to give you a great time.

Just my private point of view.[/QUOTE]Good point of view Steven. I know with my favorite viet RAY (see my post). I did show her up front I had the money. I wanted her to know I was giving her some USA 100 bills. I was just being honest and up front. She asked if I had no Chinese money. I said not enough (which was true). She was good with that. I put It in the safe with my passport, wallet and laptop.

We then had a great session. As I said, when I took it out early she was upset thinking I was throwing her out. Yes I really miss her now!

I agree. I've solved the "pay up front" issue by pulling out the money, show the girl I have it, and then put it on the dresser held down by a lamp or something. She could run to grab it but I'd beat her to the door and she would not be leaving with it. I think it comes down to your attitude and a little repore. Put her at ease and let her know you are easily able to pay this amount. I've never had an argument or issue after that.

And in case it needs to be posted yet again.

NEVER NEVER EVER FOLLOW A TOUT.

[QUOTE=Beijing4987;1647251]I was there this Tuesday. And had a FS session with #18.

Braquo.

My spies were correct. Now xxx xxxxxxx xx is closed for one week by LE. One day after your most detailed report. 18 wiil not respond to text messages and the place has locked the girls inside. Some coincidence？Except for the mornings 18 had a two hour waiting list before your report. Now she is stiting on a block of ice making no money.[/QUOTE]Perhaps we should stop flashing the address, especially in the title!

Fz.

[QUOTE=Stegram;1647784]I agree. I've solved the "pay up front" issue by pulling out the money, show the girl I have it, and then put it on the dresser held down by a lamp or something. She could run to grab it but I'd beat her to the door and she would not be leaving with it. I think it comes down to your attitude and a little repore. Put her at ease and let her know you are easily able to pay this amount. I've never had an argument or issue after that.

And in case it needs to be posted yet again.

NEVER NEVER EVER FOLLOW A TOUT.[/QUOTE]I read earlier in this thread someone saying if you hang around East Nanjing Road after 11:00 pm, some freelance girls will subtly approach you.

Would they be safe and legit as long as you take them somewhere of your choice, or would they probably be the same as following a tout?

Perhaps we should stop flashing the address, especially in the title!

Fz.

18 told me they are staying inside for now. She briefly the lockdown.

BJ.

[QUOTE=ShanghaiGuide;1647626]I know my post here will be opposite to the common sense in this forum and I don't want to offend anyone, but just let me "play the devil's advocate" for some time, OK?

Could be you never think about guys who will also cheat these girls? I am in touch with some escort girls, and especially the sauna girls are not used to ask for money upfront (because in a sauna the guys just pay at the counter when they leave), so they often not ask for money. And outside in this city they are enough guys who think, why should they pay after they got already what they wanted. And the girls have no pimp or anyone who can make sure they will get their money. They have no chance to call the police or give any other trouble to the customer and if they will fight, the police definitely will give trouble to the girl, never to the guest. Believe it or not, there are enough guys, even customers in expensive 5 star hotels who play games like that! Especially foreigners, because they know they will be gone soon, so they don't need to think about any upcoming problems!


Just my private point of view.[/QUOTE]Understand and respect your position, BUT, I believe the MAJORITY of the times a girl asks for money up front she will either cheat you or provide lackluster service. They simply have no motivation to do otherwise. Your business analysis is valid for hard goods, NOT personal services, where quality is THE MAJOR factor.

IMHO, if the money discussion lasts longer than a minute, the deal's off for me. If she's been cheated before I'm sorry, but it's not my problem.

[QUOTE=Mike921;1647901]Understand and respect your position, BUT, I believe the MAJORITY of the times a girl asks for money up front she will either cheat you or provide lackluster service. They simply have no motivation to do otherwise. Your business analysis is valid for hard goods, NOT personal services, where quality is THE MAJOR factor.

IMHO, if the money discussion lasts longer than a minute, the deal's off for me. If she's been cheated before I'm sorry, but it's not my problem.[/QUOTE]Mike921,

My sentiments exactly. I never negotiate or pay upfront. It always leads to poor service. If I get quoted the normal price for service in the market, I agree and go for it. Otherwise, I just walk away.

Just my POV.

OAH.

Paying up front is a BAD idea.

Don't do it. Its a guarantee of being disappointed.

Once I agree to a price I always add that a tip is possible assuming a good time is had.

Assuming you have enough game for the girl to trust you. The tipping option makes value for money more likely.

If she absolutely insists on an upfront payment give her 50 rmb for the taxi fare she will need for wherever she is going and. Forcefully remove her from the room.

Sounds a bit brutal but once the girl is thinking this way you need to be 100% clear.

[QUOTE=DougTheHead;1647849]I read earlier in this thread someone saying if you hang around East Nanjing Road after 11:00 pm, some freelance girls will subtly approach you.

Would they be safe and legit as long as you take them somewhere of your choice, or would they probably be the same as following a tout?[/QUOTE]Let me call that a very very very bad idea! This girls in this street are definitly just the same than the touts, only packed in a more pretty body. They will have several ways to get out all your money (and I mean all, including what you can even pick up from your card in your daily limit! You can research about the Nanjing Lu Scam, it's even named by that. Could be you will expect a hotel massage scam, but beside that they will entertain you with the tea house scam, the art student scam, also the restaurant scam is very popular now!

And don't think you can control the situation, I tried it some years ago. A girl who pretend to be student and wanted to train her English asked my for have some food together. That should be the restaurant scam, I knew about it and I thought I was clever enough to avoid that problem by decide my own restaurant. We walked far away from Nanjing Lu and finally I took one definitely not suggested by her and no chance, that they had "a deal" with that place already. And even there I got a invoice of more than 2500 RMB for the food she ordered (should not be more than 250 without that "scam accompany" For the restaurant scam not even the police can help you out, because how can you prove you did not eat some birdnest or shark fine soup? At that time, I had no idea how the girl could deal that, because I was all the time around her and I my Chinese was at least on the level to follow the basic meaning of a dialog. Later I realized, that this girls working in a "team". They will be covered by at least 2 gangsters, and even you control where to go, this guys will find a chance to control, what you will pay for it, ust by making a deal with the owner, threaten or blackmail him or what ever they need!

There is a story about a expat who could see, that a fellow countryman on Nanjing Lu was on the way, to follow a girl. He started to go over, to give him a warning, when his way was blocked by 2 strong Chinese guys who made unmistakably clear, that this is not his business and it would be much better, if he will go in another direction.

I hope you got the point, you can try, if you can win the game, but you don't know who is the one you play with and also don't know the rules, so better keep away.

And if freelance girls really would like to find some guys, they are many better places than there, so no real girl will waste her time there!

Manhattan Experiences.

Hi guys. I am posting about my experience with Manhattan from a few weeks back (end of October) while I was staying in Shanghai for 3 weeks. This is a lengthy and detailed post, so you may want to skip it if all you are looking for is straight info (price, ST or LT, # of shots allowed, etc). Btu if you enjoy reading the long posts (and vicariously living through our fellow mongers between trips -- as I sometimes do) I hope you will enjoy it.

My first trip to Manhattan ended with me empty handed, the girls not wanting to budge on 2 K for LT. However, I did have some fun DFKing and groping 2 very sexy VN girls all for the price of a few drinks. So it was not a bad experience at all.

The next couple of weeks in SH were very busy and I had little time to look for girls or check out the p4 p scene. I was horny as hell and ready to cave on the Manhattan girls' price well, and at least to try to see if I could find a girl I liked to do ST for 1 K.

My frustration and horniness were compounded by an aborted Sunday trip to 999 Sauna, which was closed for renovation.

So the next day, Monday, I was determined to give Manhattan another try. I showed up at around 10:00 PM. The selection was OK, lots of 6's and 7's, but no real stunners. A bit worse than my previous trip there. I made the rounds for about an hour and interviewed a few cute girls. But I could not find anyone I liked. Either the girl did not do it for me or if I did find them attractive there was no chemistry there to guarantee a GFE.

Then I saw her. A real vision (at least IMHO). Tall with long dark hair and a pretty face. She was dressed in a classy way and still showing off some very nice cleavage. But what really got me was the way she carried herself. She had this kind of queen bee vibe to her. Kind of like Joan form Madmen, but a very different body time (tall and thin, but still with good curves).

I sauntered over to introduce myself and we began to chat. To my surprise she was new to SH and this was her first night at the club as she had just arrived form VN that very day. (I know you guys are thinking "how gullible is this guy?" But I got to know her over the next week or so and this turned out to be true). Her name was Jenny, 26, and from HMC. She was very sweet and we seemed to click right away. Soon enough I had my hands all over her and we began making out. She was a great kisser. ;.

The conversation eventually turned to business and we began to negotiate. I offered 1 K up front for ST, but she wanted a lot more, I think 1. 5 K, but I can't remember exactly now. I tried to charm her and bring the price down but she would not budge. I bid her a goodnight and decided to move on, thinking maybe I'the try her again later in the evening. But just as I turned away she grabbed me and said lets go for your price.

We grabbed a taxi to my hotel and she really did seem clueless about most things in SH. She had a million questions for me. How to use the taxi, where to shop, whether the weather was always this cold (it was the beginning of a cold spell), etc. We cuddled and kissed in the Taxi and she told me how happy she was to meet a nice guy like me for her first time in SH.

We got to the hotel and started going at it the minute we hit the elevator. And she was the aggressor all overall over me, practically ramming her throat down my mouth. But damn it felt good. We got to the room and we both took super quick showers. Soon we were lying in bed together naked. Her body was absolutely slamming. Long legs, tight stomach and butt. Fake boobs, but nice and supple to the touch. And her skin was as smooth as silk.

We made out and I nuzzled her neck. She was very receptive to my touch and I could feel the goose bumps on her lithe body. Her pussy was getting nice and wet as well. She would not be needing lube. LOL. She started kissing on my neck, continuing down my chest, stomach and soon she had my cock in her mouth. She gave a great long BJ. Soft and wet. Just the way I like it. It was amazing to see her pretty little head bobbing up and down my shaft.

Not wanting to blow my load right then and there I stopped her and gave her a nice long kiss on the mouth. I slipped on a condom and entered her in mish. She bucked her pelvis up against mine. I could tell she was really getting into it. I turned her over and we continues with her on top. This let me fondle her beautiful tits at will as they hung over me like bountiful fruit. She rode me hard and cupped my hands as I squeezed her boobs.

We were both getting a bit carried away. I picked her up and we did it standing up for a while before I placed her on top of the room desk. She sat on the desk with her legs spread and me pounding in and out of her pussy standing up. She clung to me tightly for dear life. Moaning in pleasure the whole time. I picked her up again and we moved to the bed. I took her in doggy, kneading her supple ass and caressing her thighs as I pounded away. Every once and a while I'the take a break from pounding to kiss her on the mouth and cup her lovely breasts.

I was ready to come, but first I wanted to feel that sweet mouth on my cock again. I took off the condom and lay on my back as she moved down between my legs and began to blow me. She then began to lick my balls as I jerked myself off to completion. She took me in her mouth just as I was about to reach my peak. A few more bobs of her pretty little head and I exploded with a super intense orgasm. Instead of pulling a runner to the bathroom to spit it out my dear girl held me in her mouth for a few minutes, all the while continuing to bob her head up and down on my shaft as the cum dribbled out of her mouth. It felt absolutely wonderful.

She went off to the bathroom to spit it out and brush her teeth and then came back to bed to cuddle and kiss. It was amazing to have this beautiful creature cuddled up next to me and I think we both enjoyed the post sex afterglow. We hung out and chatted for a while. I was surprised to find out that she had a 7 year old son. She showed no signs of childbirth on her body. She was pretty experienced to, having already done the circuit in Singapore. I learned that she was renting an apartment with some other VN girls who also worked the bar. They slept 4 to a room in bunk beds, but otherwise she said the place was nice. I think she said she was paying 100 Yuan a night. The owner was Chinese and she hooked it up through a friend VN who had already made a few trips to SH.

She was very curious about Shanghai, especially about shopping, as she was keen to buy some knock off bags and such. I took out the laptop and showed her some pics and we googled the best fake markets in SH. We kissed, hugged, cuddled, joke and laughed the whole time. We truly were enjoying each other's company. We made tentative plans to go check out the fake markets together but sadly I never followed through on this as I was so busy most days with work.

It was getting late, almost 3 AM. Jenny had spent almost 3 hours with me in my room. I asked her to stay the night and offered her an extra 500, but she wanted to get home to unpack and to take her makeup off. We exchanged Wechat contacts as she showered and got dressed to leave (while I groped and kissed her the entire time, delaying her departure). I gave her 1 K and 100 tip ("for taxi" We shared a long kiss goodbye. She again said I was such a sweet guy and that she wanted to see me again.

I was sad to see her leave, but extremely happy about the time we spent together. My first VN girl and a knockout girl and experience at that. With all the lovely creatures wandering around SH and my lack of luck I was starting to get a little frustrated. This was just what the doctor ordered!

Just as I was about to lay down to sleep I got a message from her on wechat saying she felt so lucky to meet me and that she already missed me. She also sent a bunch of very sexy pics of herself and one pic of her with her son. I think this girl genuinely liked me and that made me feel very good.

2nd Session Later in the Week.

A couple days passed with me and her messaging each other back and forth on Wechat. In the meantime I had a very fun sauna adventure with a fellow board member (I will post a report soon). It was Wednesday night and I was feeling pretty horny. I could not get Monday night out of my head. I got back to the hotel at about 5 PM and messaged Jenny to see what she was up to and if she wanted to come over. She was having dinner and said she would be over as soon as she finished dinner and got ready.

I showered and got ready for our date. At about 7 PM she messaged me to tell me she was down in the lobby. I went down to get her. She looked great in a tight, yet tasteful, red dress. This girl is so classy. I am kicking myself I did not take more pictures of her.

We kissed on the mouth and held hands on the way to the elevator. She was on me the minute the doors close and we made out passionately, smearing her lipstick all over her and my face. Haha. We continued at it all the way to the room. This time skipping the shower as we had both freshly showered. I tore off why clothes and Jenny slipped out of her dress and dropped to her knees. She began giving me an amazing BJ right there at the foot of the bed as I stood over her. I palmed her breasts as she worked her lips up and down my shaft. This was real porno stuff!

I enjoyed this for a good long while, but I began feeling like I was about to come. So I picked up my lovely girl and moved her to the bed. I kissed her whole body. Moving from her lips, down her neck to her chest and belly and then between her legs. I teased her thighs with my tongue. Soon I had her panties off and I was going down on her hard. She had a beautiful pussy and tasted fresh and clean. She writhed in pleasure and clutched my head. I could feel her cum as she bucked her pelvis up against my mouth and I clutched her breasts in each hand.

I moved up and lay right beside her so I could give her a long soft kiss. Jenny was determined to return the favor and went back to blowing me as I laid back and enjoyed the expereince. Her mouth felt so amazing! I'm not sure exactly what she was doing but I think she was flicking her tongue along my shaft as she moved her lips up and down my cock. I wanted to get another taste of that sweet pussy so I moved us into a 69 with her on top. This also gave me a chance to knead her supple ass.

By now I was hard as a rock and yearning to be inside her. I moved her on her back, put on a condom, and entered her in mish. Her pussy felt so warm and tight. We followed this by a few more positons. First cow girl (so I could play with those wonderful tits), then sitting facing each other (me pulling her ass up against me in an ever increasing rhythm), then mish again (which gave me an amazing view of her pussy and tits), then doggy (my god that ass! And finally me taking her from behind as she lay on her belly (all the while kissing and biting her neck and back).

I came as I did during our first session. Me lying on my back as she licked my balls and whacked me off. She took me into her mouth just as I hit my peak. I released my load as she bobbed her little head up and down my cock. She kept going even after I had come. This was utter bliss!

She ran off to the bathroom to clean up, but was back in a jiff to cuddle. She was in no hurry to leave and we lay like that talking, cuddling and kissing, for quite some time. She really did not like Shanghai saying it was too cold for her and that no one spoke English. She showed me more pictures of HMC and said that she really hoped I would visit her there and that she would be happy to show me around. Not a bad plan at all though I hope she is not thinking of charging me SH rates. (LOL).

It was almost 10 PM before she got up to leave. Her breasts, though fake, were beautiful, and accentuated her lovely torso and neck. Like a statue of Venus come to like. She looked so damn sexy bouncing around my hotel room that I began to try and negotiate LT. But she would not budge form 2 K. At this point I was under her spell and relented to her price. I was also thinking that we still had the whole night together and that we would be able to go at it till the wee hours of the morning and then again in the AM.

She got back into bed and we cuddled for a while. Soon I was getting hard and I began to make my moves on her. She was receptive, but informed me that this would have to be our last time for the evening. LT for her only meant 2 shots! She was quite adamant about this and I was afraid she would hold herself to it. I apologized and said that in this case maybe it would be better for her to leave and for us to meet another time. She was very cool and understanding about this and not pissed at all, saying that it was Ok because I did not know.

We parted on the best of terms and shared a nice long kiss goodbye. I gave her the agreed upon 1 K plus some change for taxi. I was under no illusions. I knew she would be going back to Manhattan to look for a customer (after all these girls are here to work to make as much money in the short time they have in SH). I told her that if she did not find a customer she could come back and spend the evening with me and that I would give her an extra 500 why. She said she would think about it.

I had not had dinner and I was famished after our lovemaking. I walked her down to get a taxi and headed off to the local BBQ place for a later dinner. I ordered some delicious BBQ oysters, sending her a pic and messaging her to hurry back because now I would have "extra power". She laughed and said he missed me and promised she would come back if she did not find a customer.

She did not come back that night. But I slept well thinking of her as the smell of her perfume lingered on my pillow.

Last Night in Shanghai.

My last night in Shanghai! My initial plan was to go to Manhattan and score a new VN chick. I toyed with the idea of taking Jenny. But there were so many other hotties there to try!

However, due to last minute changes to my schedule I had to be at work pretty early the next morning. This sunk my plan of having a late night and then sleeping in until late next morning. I also had a super busy day of packing, hotel checkout, and last minute shopping and a work dinner planned as well before flying to Manila late in the evening. I guess I am getting old (or wiser), but the thought of trying to do all this after 3 hours of sleep, followed by a sleepless night on the plane to Manila, was not very appealing.

Moreover, there was no guarantee that after a long hunt at Manhattan I would pull a genuine GFE. You never can tell with these girls. I wanted my last night and SH to be special and not a disappointment.

So I ended up messaging Jenny and asking her to come over. I have NO regrets I did so.

She arrived at 10:30 PM and I went down to get her at the lobby. She was looking great as always in a slinky green dress that.

Accentuated her curves. We went at it from the minute the elevator closed. As had become our custom. Man do I miss my little elevator girl. Haha.

We picked up where we left off the night before. She took her clothes of and dropped to her knees to blow me at the foot of the.

Bed. I then went down on her until she came. Then we sent through the multiple positons: DATY, mish, cowgirl, sitting, doggy, etc. I know this may sound repetitive, but it was as good, if not better, than the last time. Some things just can't get old. Haha.

And I came the same way again. On my back with her stroking me off as she nibbled on my nuts. But this time she went much deeper, tonguing the sensitive zone between my nuts and my asshole. It felt absolutely incredible and I soon deposited a huge load into her willing little mouth. As always she did not run to the bathroom to spit it out, as most girls do, but continued sucking for a few minutes. This absolutely sent me into orbit!

After she came back from cleaning up we again cuddled for a long time and she took a short nap in my arms. It felt so good to be holding this angel. When she woke after about 20 minutes or so I told her I wanted her to stay LT and she was genuinely overjoyed.

We were both famished so we decided to go get some food. As we got ready to go I could not keep my hands off her. She giggled as I bent her over the window and mock humped her from behind. We truly had a lot of fun just hanging out together and shared the same sense of humor to boot.

It was already past midnight, but luckily the local Chinese BBQ joint was open. We had a lovely little dinner of BBQ seafood and vegetables, washed down with ice cold beer. Delicious! She cuddling up close to me as we ate and cleaned my seafood and fed it to me. She was as caring and sweet as any girlfriend could be. She again said that he hoped to see me again and that she would take care of me if I ever came to VN.

I had oysters again and they really kicked in went we got back to the room. Hehe. We both took quick showers and then settled down to make sweet love. It started out slow and gentle. I eased myself into her in Mish, but this time taking my time to enjoy her body, kissing and caressing her as I moved and and out of her slowly. But soon our passions overtook us and we worked ourselves up into a frenzy. I picked her up and carried her over to the desk where I laid her down on her but and began pumping her standing up with her legs wrapped around me. I picked her up and carried her to a chair that was up against the window. I turned her around and pounded her from behind in doggy, the lights of the great city in front of us.

After she came I carried her back to the bed, ready to come myself. I assumed the usual positon: laying on my back as she worked my nuts and scrotum area with her tongue. After a few minutes I exploded again in her mouth for the 2nd CIM of the evening. She held me in her mouth working her head up and down to prolong my pleasure. Now this is a routine I could get used to!

She went to the bathroom to clean up. When she came back we fell asleep in each other's arms, our legs interlocked. It felt so good to have her smooth body next to mine. We were really comfortable with each other and we both slept very well.

We got up early, at 8 AM the next day. I tried to coax her into a morning quickie, but it was not on the menu. While she gives her all and is a certified GFE, she does stand firm on the 2 pop LT limit. I guess it's a principle of hers or something. We really did not have much time anyway as I had to scramble to check out of the room and get to work.

I gave her $300 (I was running low on Yuan). We parted as if we were longtime lovers, sharing a long sweet kiss goodbye. And then she was off.

We still stay in touch. She messages me from time to time to say she misses me and I am seriously contemplating heading to VN to visit her in the spring. But I have a Pattaya trip scheduled before then and I also have girls to visit in the Philippines. With all these options I may get distracted. Nevertheless, our time together lives on as a sweet memory that will help get me through many a cold northern night.

Final thoughts: Thought pricey, I would recommend Manhattan as a venue and must see visit for Shanghai. Not all the girls at Manhattan are stunners, but if you are patient and take your time to "interview" the girl and check the chemistry beforehand I think you can find some real gems, as I think my report attests too. If I could afford to blow $300 bucks a night on female company I would have visited this place more often during my trip and tried more girls.

I think it is the best option for finding a p4 p GFE in SH. The girls at the other places known for FLs (Judy's, Malone's) are just not that attractive. And the FL girls that hang out at the bars in XIntandi (Paulaner and the place next door I forget the name) are all pretty old. I was unable to find any working girls on Wechat, though I did get a couple dates with a cute but crazy local girl. Many of the girls at the tops Saunas are super-hot, but the experience is pretty mechanical and not that much cheaper at around 900 Yuan. Though saunas do have their own charms and they are definitely worth a visit if you have not tried them before.

Stay horny my friends.

Uncle V.

[QUOTE=Acejack;1647955] Forcefully remove her from the room.

Sounds a bit brutal but once the girl is thinking this way you need to be 100% clear.[/QUOTE]Acejack,

It is not a good idea to use force. You may find her back at your door with a couple of thugs or waiting for you to leave the hotel. It is best to try and find a solution like showing her that you have the money to pay her after the deed. If she still insists, you can tell her that you will have to call hotel security to escort her out if she does not leave voluntarily with the taxi money.

Fortunately, I have only found myself in this situation a couple of times in my lifetime of mongering. The most "taxi money" I paid in China was 300 RMB when a girl I picked up at a Chengdu club asked me for 6,000 RMB LT and refused to negotiate or leave my room. A little money for your safety is worth it.

Just my POV.

OAH.

I spent a few days in Shanghai recently. Coming from S. China where the crackdown is still in place, I was pleased to see that the SH BBS scene is still thriving. A fellow monger from ISG took me on a tour of BBS strips. Small shops with 4-5 girls in each one.

I never follow touts but there were some mamasans near my hotel offering girls for 200-300 RMB ST. I tried a couple but the service was just mediocre and they tried to upsell me for BJ.

All in all, Shanghai offers much better options for BBS and entry level mongering than S. China does at the moment.

Just my POV.

OAH.

[QUOTE=ShanghaiGuide;1647994]Let me call that a very very very bad idea! This girls in this street are definitly just the same than the touts, only packed in a more pretty body. They will have several ways to get out all your money (and I mean all, including what you can even pick up from your card in your daily limit! You can research about the Nanjing Lu Scam, it's even named by that. Could be you will expect a hotel massage scam, but beside that they will entertain you with the tea house scam, the art student scam, also the restaurant scam is very popular now!

And don't think you can control the situation, I tried it some years ago. A girl who pretend to be student and wanted to train her English asked my for have some food together. That should be the restaurant scam, I knew about it and I thought I was clever enough to avoid that problem by decide my own restaurant. We walked far away from Nanjing Lu and finally I took one definitely not suggested by her and no chance, that they had "a deal" with that place already. And even there I got a invoice of more than 2500 RMB for the food she ordered (should not be more than 250 without that "scam accompany" For the restaurant scam not even the police can help you out, because how can you prove you did not eat some birdnest or shark fine soup? At that time, I had no idea how the girl could deal that, because I was all the time around her and I my Chinese was at least on the level to follow the basic meaning of a dialog. Later I realized, that this girls working in a "team". They will be covered by at least 2 gangsters, and even you control where to go, this guys will find a chance to control, what you will pay for it, ust by making a deal with the owner, threaten or blackmail him or what ever they need!

There is a story about a expat who could see, that a fellow countryman on Nanjing Lu was on the way, to follow a girl. He started to go over, to give him a warning, when his way was blocked by 2 strong Chinese guys who made unmistakably clear, that this is not his business and it would be much better, if he will go in another direction.

I hope you got the point, you can try, if you can win the game, but you don't know who is the one you play with and also don't know the rules, so better keep away.

And if freelance girls really would like to find some guys, they are many better places than there, so no real girl will waste her time there![/QUOTE]I think this info is extremely accurate, last year I was parked on the northern edge of peoples square for two hours in the afternoon, and unintentionally observed the teams of scammers operating there. It slowly became apparent that there was only one team, with about 30 members. Based at the entrance to a hotel car park, four guys were spotting various types of prospects and directing the relevant people by mobile phone. At any given time there were four or five attempts ongoing in a 200 meter radius. I do cannot believe that a freelancer would get inside this net. Whilst I didn't see anyone actually falling for these scammers, they must have enough victims to make it worth their while.

The message is, no matter how clever you think you are, NEVER FOLLOW A TOUT!, especially around Nanjing Lu.

[QUOTE=DougTheHead;1647849]I read earlier in this thread someone saying if you hang around East Nanjing Road after 11:00 pm, some freelance girls will subtly approach you.

Would they be safe and legit as long as you take them somewhere of your choice, or would they probably be the same as following a tout?[/QUOTE]That was me.

I did not follow those girls anywhere. They followed ME. To my hotel.

I gave them my room number, went up alone and told them to come up in 15 minutes.

Sure they could come in with thugs, but they could just as easily knock on random doors and do the same.

[QUOTE=Stegram;1648490]That was me.

I did not follow those girls anywhere. They followed ME. To my hotel.

I gave them my room number, went up alone and told them to come up in 15 minutes.

Sure they could come in with thugs, but they could just as easily knock on random doors and do the same.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the information. I guess I'll try it out for myself soon and bring one back to a hotel of my choosing. Did you ever any problems with them? Asking for more money, bad service, attempting to steal things, etc?

I'm also going to try to one of those bars that are known to have WGs.

Can anyone tell me, out of Judy's, Manhattan, Malone's and Bar Rouge, which one would have the highest number of freelance Chinese WGs? Would I be able to find an 8+ freelance Chinese stunner in any of these bars, or are they all mainly Vietnamese?

Thanks

[QUOTE=DougTheHead;1648724]Can anyone tell me, out of Judy's, Manhattan, Malone's and Bar Rouge, which one would have the highest number of freelance Chinese WGs? Would I be able to find an 8+ freelance Chinese stunner in any of these bars, or are they all mainly Vietnamese?

Thanks[/QUOTE]For understand the situation, you should know, that chinese guys mostly do not go to a bar to pick up girls. For that they have a lot of KTV clubs all around the city in different ranges, starting for the small "worker" budget till the incredible expensive "manager" clubs! So all the "bar pickup scene" in Shanghai is focused on Foreigners, who naturally don't visit KTVs and don't have a lot of other options.

So because of that, there is nearly no chance to find a 8+ freelance Chinese Stunner in any bar searching for a customer! If she is that level of girl, she can make much more money and even much more easy in a KTV!

A very pretty chinese girl can get only with her sitting fee 'RMB 1000 to 1500 in some upscaled KTVs, and this will not even include any "special" service, if she want to provide more than only accompany, the Chinese guys will have to offer this girls most time at least 5000 or more to talk her out of the KTV, so why should a girl like that try to handle any business with "mean" Foreigners in any bar? Even Foreigners are rich in the eyes of many Chinese girls, the "upscaled" girls already realized, that most Foreigners expect to get a value for their spending, in contrast to many rich Chinese guys, who just will give her for example a iphone 6 plus as a welcome gift in the KTV without any expectation or chance to get something back from her. They just will do it to show other people in the room, that they are successfull and able to to that!

Sorry to destroy your illusion, but I guess you will fail with your target! Some girls who are able to communicate in english and focused on western customers will also try to find customers in exclusive hotel bars, but don't expect more than a 4+ there, because as written above, there must be a reason why she prefer foreigners. And the most popular reasons for that will be, that Foreigners have less choice, so they first they are less picky with the "quality" of the girls and second many Foreigners don't care about the age same like the most Chinese guys will care.

For some Foreigners a 35 years old asian woman can still be a option, Chinese guys would not pay a lot for a girl like that, because for the rate this girls in a hotel bar will ask (RMB 2000 at least), most chinese guys will expect to get a young pretty tall girl with big boobs already, not a 160 cm and 35 year old lady with a B-Cup.

I know it's stongly "generalized", and there will be Foreigners and also Chinese guys who think different, but over all I would say that is the "base of the market" here in Shanghai, and starting from that point, you can easily guess how big your chance will be to find a pickup bar with stunning chinese girls in Shanghai.

[QUOTE=DougTheHead;1648724]Thanks for the information. I guess I'll try it out for myself soon and bring one back to a hotel of my choosing. Did you ever any problems with them? Asking for more money, bad service, attempting to steal things, etc?

I'm also going to try to one of those bars that are known to have WGs.

Can anyone tell me, out of Judy's, Manhattan, Malone's and Bar Rouge, which one would have the highest number of freelance Chinese WGs? Would I be able to find an 8+ freelance Chinese stunner in any of these bars, or are they all mainly Vietnamese?

Thanks[/QUOTE]Hey there. I have been to Manhatten & to Judy's. And rarely will see a Chinese WG. Perhaps one or 2 each time I have been. For sure the Spa's will be Chinese.

Will.

[QUOTE=DougTheHead;1648724]Thanks for the information. I guess I'll try it out for myself soon and bring one back to a hotel of my choosing. Did you ever any problems with them? Asking for more money, bad service, attempting to steal things, etc?

I'm also going to try to one of those bars that are known to have WGs.

Can anyone tell me, out of Judy's, Manhattan, Malone's and Bar Rouge, which one would have the highest number of freelance Chinese WGs? Would I be able to find an 8+ freelance Chinese stunner in any of these bars, or are they all mainly Vietnamese?

Thanks[/QUOTE]There are some Chinese at judy's and manhattans. In general the viets are better looking (at the bars not in general). I have never been to bar rouge. It is upscale and a heck of a lot more money. Bushwack has found a few Chinese girls at Paulaner in Xian tian di.

In the dark, they all look the same (smiley face if I could do one).

[QUOTE=Beijing4987;1647881]Perhaps we should stop flashing the address, especially in the title!

Fz.

18 told me they are staying inside for now. She briefly the lockdown.

BJ.[/QUOTE]My dumb but. What do you mean by "they are staying inside" or "lockdown. " I have never seen them outside or even in the lobby. If they are in lockdown are they working at just massage?

[QUOTE=ShanghaiGuide;1648837]For understand the situation, you should know, that chinese guys mostly do not go to a bar to pick up girls. For that they have a lot of KTV clubs all around the city in different ranges, starting for the small "worker" budget till the incredible expensive "manager" clubs! So all the "bar pickup scene" in Shanghai is focused on Foreigners, who naturally don't visit KTVs and don't have a lot of other options.

So because of that, there is nearly no chance to find a 8+ freelance Chinese Stunner in any bar searching for a customer! If she is that level of girl, she can make much more money and even much more easy in a KTV!

A very pretty chinese girl can get only with her sitting fee 'RMB 1000 to 1500 in some upscaled KTVs, and this will not even include any "special" service, if she want to provide more than only accompany, the Chinese guys will have to offer this girls most time at least 5000 or more to talk her out of the KTV, so why should a girl like that try to handle any business with "mean" Foreigners in any bar? Even Foreigners are rich in the eyes of many Chinese girls, the "upscaled" girls already realized, that most Foreigners expect to get a value for their spending, in contrast to many rich Chinese guys, who just will give her for example a iphone 6 plus as a welcome gift in the KTV without any expectation or chance to get something back from her. They just will do it to show other people in the room, that they are successfull and able to to that!

Sorry to destroy your illusion, but I guess you will fail with your target! Some girls who are able to communicate in english and focused on western customers will also try to find customers in exclusive hotel bars, but don't expect more than a 4+ there, because as written above, there must be a reason why she prefer foreigners. And the most popular reasons for that will be, that Foreigners have less choice, so they first they are less picky with the "quality" of the girls and second many Foreigners don't care about the age same like the most Chinese guys will care.

For some Foreigners a 35 years old asian woman can still be a option, Chinese guys would not pay a lot for a girl like that, because for the rate this girls in a hotel bar will ask (RMB 2000 at least), most chinese guys will expect to get a young pretty tall girl with big boobs already, not a 160 cm and 35 year old lady with a B-Cup.

I know it's stongly "generalized", and there will be Foreigners and also Chinese guys who think different, but over all I would say that is the "base of the market" here in Shanghai, and starting from that point, you can easily guess how big your chance will be to find a pickup bar with stunning chinese girls in Shanghai.[/QUOTE]Shanghai guide: an excellent market appraisal of Shanghai. I recommend that all the bruvvers read and digest this report, in order to help them to understand the WG market in Shanghai.

Enjoy and report.

P13.

Tazman099,

I was there about a month ago and the place was closed on a Saturday around 4:00 pm, there was some construction going on and it was hard to understand if the place was gone for good or just being refurbished. One of the construction guys told me in broken English that they moved and he gave a business card. Unfortunately I don't speak Chinese enough to ask him about more details, so I took a taxi to the "new place" but the area was too creepy and I didn't bother to get of of taxi and just went to Bodi instead. I had good times on HongSong, and I sure hope it didn't close for good or if it did move, it kept its quality level. So, if you had a chance to find out anything about it, please post it.

[QUOTE]On again and off again lurker making first review.

I had planned on reviewing two of the higher end massages in Gubei, but unfortunately one review is extremely limited.

HongSong (next to the Hongqiao Hilton):

Called there twice. First time on a Sunday evening and spoke with a guy with no English at all. All I could get is that there was no 'special' massage available. I figured perhaps because it was Sunday. Tried again on a Saturday night (maybe 11 PM) and a different guy answered telling me the special massage was on holiday (could get a foot massage) and would be available maybe 2 or 3 days later. As I live very close, I may just go there next time and see what happens.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Foxes;1645188]Hi there,

Cannot PM, have no pay-account. I met up with her last night, she's very sweet, sexy, working out hard to keep her body in shape. Her English is very good and we had a great evening, also talked a lot afterwards. She's only been here a little bit over a week. Get in touch with her and be nice.

Cheers[/QUOTE]I can confirm that! She just applied for a profile in our independent escort category I am just now sitting together with Cecilia to built up a profile for her on our page, and already talking with her is great already. And what I can see from the body is also worth to get her undressed!

[QUOTE=ShanghaiGuide;1649788]I can confirm that! She just applied for a profile in our independent escort category I am just now sitting together with Cecilia to built up a profile for her on our page, and already talking with her is great already. And what I can see from the body is also worth to get her undressed![/QUOTE]That means she will want a ridiculous amount!

Steven, Back to your comments about the girls not understanding that if they charge less, they will make more. I think I understand this from a shanghai girl perspective. It is very similar to the Chinese guy willing to spend 6000 rmb for a girl to show he has money. He may do this even though we would not. I think the girls see what other girls charge. They think if they charge less they will show they are worth less as a person. They will feel they are less of a person than the other girls. As long as one wants crazy money, they all will. They just want to show they are as good as other girls.

I had a Chinese girl friend for 2 years. It was all about telling their friends who had the best boyfriend. (I. E. What boyfriend spent the most on them. That showed they were worth much to the boyfriend and in general). It becomes how they measure their worth. If the boyfriend won't spend much, he is either a bad boyfriend or she is not worth good money. Guess which one they assume??

Don't misunderstand , thank you for providing a service for guys that want it. I guess they can charge whatever they want.

There are still girls to be had at manhattans that are 7/8+ on slow nights for less.

[QUOTE=SamCan;1649890]That means she will want a ridiculous amount![/QUOTE]I just checked the page and I think the amount is fair. She is hot and offers a lot of services.

Probably you can find cheaper but if you have to go to Manhattan at 01:00 AM to get one 300 rmb cheaper. I'll pass.

After more than 4 years in Shanghai, I never tried Manhattan since it is too much of an effort to go out just to pickup a girl. If I have to go out, I'll take the sauna option.

Anyway, as I said before. I met Cecilia several times and all I can say is she is a good fuck who just likes it everywhere! I remember my first anal with her. She just pull my cock out of her pussy and looking at me in the eyes put it back in her ass without a word but just a big smile!

That's why I'm happy to see her again and again. And yes I think in her case the price is right, compared to other Chinese sauna girls on the same page who are asking unreasonable fees!

[QUOTE=SamCan;1649890]That means she will want a ridiculous amount!

Steven, Back to your comments about the girls not understanding that if they charge less, they will make more. I think I understand this from a shanghai girl perspective. It is very similar to the Chinese guy willing to spend 6000 rmb for a girl to show he has money. He may do this even though we would not. I think the girls see what other girls charge. They think if they charge less they will show they are worth less as a person. They will feel they are less of a person than the other girls. As long as one wants crazy money, they all will. They just want to show they are as good as other girls.

I had a Chinese girl friend for 2 years. It was all about telling their friends who had the best boyfriend. (I. E. What boyfriend spent the most on them. That showed they were worth much to the boyfriend and in general). It becomes how they measure their worth. If the boyfriend won't spend much, he is either a bad boyfriend or she is not worth good money. Guess which one they assume??

Don't misunderstand , thank you for providing a service for guys that want it. I guess they can charge whatever they want.

There are still girls to be had at manhattans that are 7/8+ on slow nights for less.[/QUOTE]Your relationship you had with a Chinese girl. Seems more like the relationship you would have with a prostitute. I think you are just assuming Chinese woman argue who spend more money on them. Chinese woman for the most part are very classy and good people. If the woman really loves or even likes to be with you. Spending money on them is not important.

[QUOTE=TomSf;1650102]Your relationship you had with a Chinese girl. Seems more like the relationship you would have with a prostitute........... If the woman really loves or even likes to be with you. Spending money on them is not important.[/QUOTE]


I guess I forgot to say, my girlfriend was a massage girl and all her friends were massage girls. So yes, comparison to a prostitute relationship is fair. It did not start that way but when she realized I wasn't marrying her this is what it became. I am assuming nothing. I had multiple conversations with these girls. they liked to talk about what girl was bought what. as I said, these were massage girls

My comments were around girls who are on a website for money (i.e Prostitutes). I was comparing their thought process to what shanghai guide was talking about, not all Chinese girls of the 1 billion population.

Braquo.

If you have never been to manhattans don't knock it. 30-50 women all for hire and willing to go home with you. A decent number are willing to go over night for 1500 for all the sex you can muster. . 3-4 pops for me and I can throw them out whenever I have had enough. Cheaper than a SPA per hour and at least as much if not more choices.

300RMB cheaper at 1am??? I count 1500RMB cheaper if you are a big spender and accept the girls first overnight offer of 2000RMB
I picked one viet up LT last time at midnight for 1500 and picked her up the next night for 1000 LT at 10:30. if Cecilia is a 9, this viet girl was at least a 7.5 to 8.

If you consider 3500 for overnight fair + 200 more for anal (620 USD?) that is up to you as you have been with her. That is 2 to 3 nights budget for me at manhattans.
Quality vs quantity? I don't know as I have not seen her up front and glamor photos can hide a lot. She may be worth it or not. I can't say.
It is more than I would pay for my hobby based on one monger's word but we all have our own breakpoints.


Each to his own, stay safe and enjoy...

[QUOTE=SamCan;1649890]I had a Chinese girl friend for 2 years. It was all about telling their friends who had the best boyfriend. (I. E. what boyfriend spent the most on them. That showed they were worth much to the boyfriend and in general). It becomes how they measure their worth. If the boyfriend won't spend much, he is either a bad boyfriend or she is not worth good money. Guess which one they assume??[/QUOTE]I can totally confirm that. It's not only that the girls are greedy for expensive gifts, it's a really big pressure from all the girls around. I just had a similar experience with a good Chinese friend (not my girlfriend! She mentioned about some style of ring one day, which she liked very much. When I saw exactly that model, but only a copy (even a good one), I bought it, just as a small gift for a good friend. When I hand it over, I not pretend it's a real one. I told her. That it was only a copy, but she like the style and was very happy with that! Later she told me, all her female friends around asked her, who give that to her? And when she mentioned, that it's a gift I gave to her, but it's just a fake, not real, she got a lot of pressure from several girls who want to push her, to break up the contact with me (remind, we are not even boyfriend and girlfriend). From the other girls view, she was so stupid to "waste" her time with a guy who not even buy a real (and expensive) ring for her.

To make it clear, for herself she had no problem with that, she liked the style and she was happy, even kidding, that prefer the fake, because she will not be scared to loose it and I already promise her, to buy a new fake for her, if the ring will get lost. But later the point was, she lost "her face" in front of the other girls, which are all in the competition to have the most generous boyfriend or at least generous male friend!

A German friend just had a short 3-day holiday trip to the south with a bargirl (he met her in Shanghai in a girls bar in the Chang Yi Lu), and as he complained, the most important point for the whole trip was, how much he was willing to spend for her "gift" she want to buy there. He thought, he was generous already to invite her for the free holiday trip and pay for her flight, expenses, luxury hotel and so on. Even no sex has been included, just as friends!

But in this girls "system of value", she has to prove her personal value by show to the others later, what the guy bought for her. It was obviously, what will happen, when she come back to work after the holiday! All girls will ask her the "magic" question: what did he buy for you? Show me your gift! And if there would be no (expensive) gift, than exactly what you wrote above: "she is not worth good money" and by that she would have lost her face in her network of personal contacts.

But to be fair, it also depends on the age of the girls and the "class of society". That thinking about the guy as a "cash cow" is much more pronounced for younger girls I had the experience, that for women passed 30, this is nearly no topic any more. I guess, because that time the girls already found a way how to rely on their own income and carrier! And my experience is also, that you will find that kind of "rate your friends boyfriend by his gifts" much more in the class of society with lower education and less financial background, and to be honest, that's the "social level" where most of us western guys meet hot girls when we go out (for example in bars, KTVs and sauna clubs). The "higher leveled girls" will rate boyfriends much more to their character, kindness and so on, much more similar to western culture, but I think we all simply meet less of them, because this girls not go out to the places where we will be for date guys!

But there is really a "strong basic different" between western culture (at least for most western countries) and the Chinese culture about the point "men spend money for women". I know for example many German girls, they don't even like to get their drinks paid, because they don't want to "own" anything to a guy who is not in a closed relationship.

And here is really a very big difference to the Chinese culture! Nearly no Chinese girls will even understand the idea of this story! From her view, it is the basic task of a man, to spend money for a woman. And it doesn't matter how much, there is definitely not even a tiny obligation for her to give something back! So also no need to feel guilty, even a guy she don't like and never ever will even kiss him spend RMB 100 K for 200 K for jewelry and bags on her. She will take the gifts, be happy and not even think about entered into any consequent obligation neither will think she has a reason to feel guilty, because her view will be, if the man give it to her, than because he want to give, so not her problem, if he expect something he will never get from her!

Many western woman would for sure refuse a expensive gift like that (from a guy they have no interest in), because they will totally feel uncomfortable with the bad conscience, to own this man something and scared about what they have to do for that later.

A good example, how culture influence our thinking happened to me some weeks ago. I read a story about a young pretty girl who tried to find "temporary boyfriends" in different cities in China, because she want to travel to many places around China (by the way, if you also read the story, it was a fake, just published by the PR department from a mobile phone APP dating service). I read the article and thought it's a great idea, than in every city she has a local already. Who can guide her around, she is secure, not lonesome and her trip will definitely be much better.

That was what I thought, till I read the last paragraph of the article, where she was quoted with the sentence "I am young and I don't have money for ticket and all this things, but by that way I can still travel to all beautiful places in China without money"!

Even I spend so much time in China already and even I have so many Chinese friends, it needed to reach that point, till I realized, that she expect her "temporary boyfriends" to pay for everything, even for her air ticket to fly to this place! For sure, I also thought he has to invite her for some dinner or events in his city, but I not even think about she expect him to pay for everything.

But the point is, if you talk about this story with any Chinese, either female or male, they will read "temporary boyfriend" in the first sentence, and for all of them it is clarified, obviously and they not even will think about it, that she can travel for free! They not even will have the idea, that someone will not be totally clear about that!

And this different in thinking unconsciously influence every communication with Chinese girls. For example the girl will tell you, she lost her phone. You think: "what a poor girl, she work so hard for so less money and now she even lost her expensive phone. I hope I can comfort her to get over it"! The girl at that time is sure you understand her sentence like that: "Oh, she is so poor and even don't have a phone now, I have to buy one for her"! And if you don't bring her a phone soon, she will definitely by dissapointed, because she told you very clear, what to do, and as mentioned above, it's your "basic task" as a man to spend money for her!

Everyone who had this experience will just think, that this girl is so greedy, she only expect him to spend more and more money. But from my view it's a mistake to judge a Chinese girl with our western core values. I know it's more easy and based on our life experience, so we easily rate her down for that. Taking into account also the cultural background, could be she would get a totally different rating, for example a Chinese guy will not even think she is greedy, just normal!

[QUOTE=SamCan;1650132] + 200 more for anal[/QUOTE]To charge a (small fee) extra for anal was my advice to her, to avoid a problem, that I would never had thought about before, but told me just now from another girl who also offer anal on our page.

This girl had 2 customers already, where she tried to avoid anal, because they have been "gifted" with really huge "tools", but this two guys insist to do it, because she offered it online, they booked regarding to the offer, so they think she has to do it! And to avoid problems, she finally agreed and got hurt a lot!

I never thought about men, who will be so inconsiderate to a women, but seems some guys don't care if the girls got pain or not, as long as they got what they paid for.

So I recommended Cecilia to charge extra for anal as an option, because than it is still up to her, not to accept the extra money (and so also not accept the deal). And so she can every time refuse anal without "breaking a service promise".

This would not be necessary, if there would not be guys like above mentioned "on the road" who don't show respect to that girls, but from my view that was the best solution to care about the situation of the girls and same time not to cheat the guys.

[QUOTE=ShanghaiGuide;1649788]I can confirm that! She just applied for a profile in our independent escort category I am just now sitting together with Cecilia to built up a profile for her on our page, and already talking with her is great already. And what I can see from the body is also worth to get her undressed![/QUOTE]Hi, do you have the link to her profile page?

I was successful in getting a massage girl to actually break if off with me. I was a bit mean with her. We had many conversations about money and sex. After four years she finally told me they DATY was unclean, that saliva was dirty. I reminded her that she shared saliva every time she had a meal with others and that it could spread hepatitis. I also reminded her that she once had my penis in her mouth and that she had men's semen on her hands and breasts every day and put her finger into the man's anus. She complained when I got hand jobs at other "stores". In fact, when any of us visits any of these massage girls more than once they get bent out of shape, because your money has been claimed already. The other gal does not deserve your money. The girl who just dumped liked the phrase I taught her in english. " what's mine is mine, what's yours is mine" That is my ex-wife's mantra as well. Once one learns the numbers in Chinese they realize most conversations invoke money. The chinese worship money! I'm not sure if the male child comes in before or after money. I now only pay per service. And small gifts until she tries to up the ante.

[QUOTE=ShanghaiGuide;1650204]To charge a (small fee) extra for anal was my advice to her, to avoid a problem, that I would never had thought about before, but told me just now from another girl who also offer anal on our page.

.[/QUOTE]I have no issue with Cecilia charging whatever she wants. It's just higher than I am willing to pay. Good luck to her!

I also see we agree on the other point. That was what I was saying. It is a loss of face to be the "cheapest" girl on the shanghai nightlife page. I don't fault them for the way they think. It is different than western girls but that does not make it wrong.

Steven, you seemed perpelexed when you could not get the girls to realized they would make more money with smaller rate. I felt it had more to do with their cultural mindset vs believing you that they wouldn't make more money.

Always a pleasure! Until next time.

SAM.

P.S. BJ. Good to see you made it home ok.

[QUOTE=Paul178;1650214]Hi, do you have the link to her profile page?[/QUOTE]It's ok I found it!

Number 833 is a cutie who can suck with the best of them.

I'm always a little hesitant about mongering in Shanghai due to language. Some guys on the plane behind me were talking loudly about their night on Thursday at Manhattans but that's not for me as due to my physical condition I get ignored at pickup bars. SNG recommended Rehai Sex Sauna because Jimmy the manager speaks excellent english and is very approachable. I contacted him through Weixin / Wechat and we became friends and he offered me a good discount of 698 for mention SNG. Anyway, he gave me a card to give to the (female) taxi driver and it was about 25 RMB from my hotel. The address is theà mù qiáo lù 2 hào (jìand zhào jiā beāng lù). Another way to get there is use Metro Line 9 and exit at Jia Shan Road Station, than go out exit 5 and walk around 5 minutes, than you will be there.

There used to be a side entrance but the guard advised that it was blocked and led me to Jimmy. In through main entrance, turn left before lifts and down stairs into basement. In the basement it is the usual sauna set up, change, have a shower, change into massage shorts and shirt. There is a two guys who speak excellent English there. Jimmy and the guy who looks after the showers.

Then through the maze to the girls area (very confusing route) where I came out to a small nightclub setup. Dance floor setup, where all the girls put down their phones, stand up and say Hello,. There was about 20 girls in casual nightclub and stripclub type attire. I really had no idea which one to chose as they range from babies (748 RMB) to models (A# with red writing for about 1048 RMB). All were quite attractive. Interestingly a couple with glasses which got me intrigued. I chose 833 as a result. I did spy A98 who is a tall black hair model type with a multicoloured back tattoo. Jimmy has "apparently" girls of other ethnicities as well including Brazil and Japan. The pics on SNG are genuine.

Went into the room, she gave a small striptease. As usual hairy Bush, hairy armpits and no english. I guess this is a big turnoff about Shanghai mongering. The complete silence and lack of interaction and feedback makes for a somewhat tame session. Anyway, she starts with the kissing and licking all over which goes on for 20 minutes then rimming, then flip. She then does the same on the front and then starts wonderful deep oral. She's a pro, no doubt about it. I'm on some medication at the moment which reduces nerve sensitivity which makes oral less enjoyable and penetrative sex almost with out pleasure, so what I got for my money was really good oral and all over kissing including rimming, then a little, but not much, penetrative sex and then a handjob to completion.

She finished it off with a lame-ass massage but that's to be expected and didn't detract. She was quite shy and perhaps not as professional as a girl I met at Sacrosa last year who was far more vivacious and interactive, but I can't complain. It was a great GFE.

[QUOTE=PukiMonster;1650610]But face is all important, irrespective of whether the girl is WG, office worker, farm girl or company president. This is why being seen to spend money on a girl [B]is important[/B]. Foreigners who truly understand this, are much more successful in their relationships with Chinese girls.[/QUOTE]Sadly,

The reverse is also true, he who is overly generous is considered a fool, and will have little respect.

Apart from boasting of material success, the girls want to show their independence by keeping a string of "friends".

Could it be that a married girl with one lover is being unfaithful, whereas, with several lovers she is simply taking care of her family.

My motto is, and remains, "Trust her as far as you can throw her".

[QUOTE=Fuzimiao;1650774]Sadly,

The reverse is also true, he who is overly generous is considered a fool, and will have little respect.

Apart from boasting of material success, the girls want to show their independence by keeping a string of "friends".

Could it be that a married girl with one lover is being unfaithful, whereas, with several lovers she is simply taking care of her family.

My motto is, and remains, "Trust her as far as you can throw her".[/QUOTE]Hmmm! The married girl with several lovers statement has made me think twice. I have not heard of this saying before. Food for thought! But, as far as I know, I have never known of a married girl with more than one lover, so I have no personal experience here.

I agree with the rest of your statements (with some reservations about how far I can throw some girls).

PukiM

[QUOTE=Fuzimiao;1650774]Sadly,

My motto is, and remains, "Trust her as far as you can throw her".[/QUOTE]I see someone that had a Chinese girlfriend. LOL. My girl never apologized for anything she ever did or the money expectations. She told me it was "reality" and she lived in it. It was my problem if I didn't understand. I ended it about that time. Much happier rolling the way I do now, and believe it or not Cheaper!

Those freebies will kill you in costs!!

A quick heads up. Si Yuan and Bodi both closed this afternoon.

No reasons given.

Manager at Bodi said things would be back to normal tomorrow but probably best to call ahead and check.

Anyone know why, LE crackdown?

[QUOTE=SamCan;1650905]I see someone that had a Chinese girlfriend. LOL. My girl never apologized for anything she ever did or the money expectations. She told me it was "reality" and she lived in it. It was my problem if I didn't understand. I ended it about that time. Much happier rolling the way I do now, and believe it or not Cheaper!

Those freebies will kill you in costs!![/QUOTE]Was your girl Shanghainese or from outside? I'd like to think it's mostly a Shanghainese stereotype but I'm wondering whether it's common for out-of-towners to be that way too.

Tass, et al.

I believe that the Chinese worship money. Abundance goes way back in the culture. The more the woman gets gets the better she looks to her peers. A massage gal I know tells me how selfish I am and is bragging that another guy is giving her a bracelet worth 18,000 on her birthday. All the other Happy Ending gals are envious. I asked her to post the gift on Wechat. I told her that he must really love her. I can only love you a little. She gave me the choice of remaining a "friend" or just a customer paying per service. It was an easy decision. I plan on trying out all the other workers at her "store".

[QUOTE=Tasss;1651219]Was your girl Shanghainese or from outside? I'd like to think it's mostly a Shanghainese stereotype but I'm wondering whether it's common for out-of-towners to be that way too.[/QUOTE]Could be it will destroy your illusion, but it will not be different with "out-towners". One different will be, that for a Shanghainese girl 5000 for a gift is nothing, for a out-towner it can be a valued gift already, so I would say, the "system" is the same, only the level is different!

When I came to Shanghai some years ago, I had the idea to find a serious girlfriend in Shanghai and started to search in the internet. Went to a contact page, registered for a profile and started dating. After the first girl asked me on our first date all about my income, house and car, I decided, not to date a girl a second time, if the "value things" are a part of our first date! And after some month I realized I dated more than 100 girls from that page, and only 4! Did not ask me "how rich I am" on the first date. I think this should be a good market research about the importance of money in a Chinese relationship. By the way, one of the 4th has been getting my girlfriend for a long time and one time I mentioned this "difference" to her, than she told me, she did not ask for my money, because from her feeling she was sure already that I would be rich enough for her!

[QUOTE=BobTheRhino;1651169]A quick heads up. Si Yuan and Bodi both closed this afternoon.

No reasons given.

Manager at Bodi said things would be back to normal tomorrow but probably best to call ahead and check.

Anyone know why, LE crackdown?[/QUOTE]There was a sting on 19 November in the Pudong New Area with "224 people held". Possibly LE is set to repeat it on the other side of the Huangpu.

[QUOTE=Tasss;1651219]Was your girl Shanghainese or from outside? I'd like to think it's mostly a Shanghainese stereotype but I'm wondering whether it's common for out-of-towners to be that way too.[/QUOTE]She was from jiangsu (spelling, not sure). That is one hour outside shanghai, not really an out of towner but Shanghai guide has already given you the answer. Shanghai girls are worse but it is just a measure of degrees.
at one point she called me as she had a new boy friend. she said I loved her more than he loved her. I am sure this means I gave her better gifts

[QUOTE=Comrade2255;1651328]There was a sting on 19 November in the Pudong New Area with "224 people held". Possibly LE is set to repeat it on the other side of the Huangpu.[/QUOTE]A TOTAL of 224 people were held in a series of raids on prostitution and gambling venues over the weekend, police said yesterday.

Swoops were conducted across the city and 56 premises offering prostitution or gambling services were shut down in the operation.

Officers said that 26 of those held in the raids have been detained for trial, while the remainder were fined or received an administrative detention.

This is the eighth crackdown operation on prostitution and gambling this year, said police.

In one raid over the weekend, Pudong New Area police shut down a prostitution ring involving 14 people.

[URL]http://www.shanghaidaily.com/metro/society/224-held-in-gambling-prostitution-swoops/shdaily.shtml[/URL]

While I do agree with most said here I would like add a few things just for the sake of perspective. Talking about Chinese girls is as much useful as talking about say American girls. They are all individuals and different. Even if it does not seem like that. Do not forget what a Chinese says and means an be very different. Often they just want to test you. I met great Chinese people in all social classes but also many selfish assholes. Again across all social classes and origins. Another thing to take into account is the level of poverty many of these ladies suffer or their family in their hometowns. Visit these places and you will learn a lot about the real society here. A few hundred RMB still can change many families life's. And cost of living is going up dramatically. Money as a security deposit in current China's money centric society but for many people it is a necessity. Not all are Gucci wishing money grabbers. People are also extremely flexible. One moment a gold digger the other moment she may do you for free and cook you dinner. All happened to me. But also the opposite applies. This is one key for me to understand life here. Nothing is as it seems. Nothing stays for long. If you are not able to adapt fast and react accordingly you will have a difficult life in China and just get screwed continually. Just be a bit clever and life can still be gorgeous. Enjoy as long as it lasts.

[QUOTE=ShanghaiGuide;1651318]Could be it will destroy your illusion, but it will not be different with "out-towners". One different will be, that for a Shanghainese girl 5000 for a gift is nothing, for a out-towner it can be a valued gift already, so I would say, the "system" is the same, only the level is different!

When I came to Shanghai some years ago, I had the idea to find a serious girlfriend in Shanghai and started to search in the internet. Went to a contact page, registered for a profile and started dating. After the first girl asked me on our first date all about my income, house and car, I decided, not to date a girl a second time, if the "value things" are a part of our first date! And after some month I realized I dated more than 100 girls from that page, and only 4! Did not ask me "how rich I am" on the first date. I think this should be a good market research about the importance of money in a Chinese relationship. By the way, one of the 4th has been getting my girlfriend for a long time and one time I mentioned this "difference" to her, than she told me, she did not ask for my money, because from her feeling she was sure already that I would be rich enough for her![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=FernandoAlonso;1651582]While I do agree with most said here I would like add a few things just for the sake of perspective. Talking about Chinese girls is as much useful as talking about say American girls. They are all individuals and different. Even if it does not seem like that. Do not forget what a Chinese says and means an be very different. Often they just want to test you. I met great Chinese people in all social classes but also many selfish assholes. Again across all social classes and origins. Another thing to take into account is the level of poverty many of these ladies suffer or their family in their hometowns. Visit these places and you will learn a lot about the real society here. A few hundred RMB still can change many families life's. And cost of living is going up dramatically. Money as a security deposit in current China's money centric society but for many people it is a necessity. Not all are Gucci wishing money grabbers. People are also extremely flexible. One moment a gold digger the other moment she may do you for free and cook you dinner. All happened to me. But also the opposite applies. This is one key for me to understand life here. Nothing is as it seems. Nothing stays for long. If you are not able to adapt fast and react accordingly you will have a difficult life in China and just get screwed continually. Just be a bit clever and life can still be gorgeous. Enjoy as long as it lasts.[/QUOTE]Thank goodness someone finally attempted to put this thread into perspective. Well done!

I think that many here truly fail to appreciate the level of poverty in the rural areas. I have known personally of a few cases, and read of many, where a parent just fatalistically accepts an easily curable illness and gradually die because they cannot afford the costs of medical treatment. Coincidentally, the father of a friend (of my GF) died in agony last week of a leukemia related illness. And the girl's tight-fisted English BF refused to even donate a few RMB to make her father's last few weeks of life a little more comfortable.

Ikksman.

Just some advice for everyone, you probably really want to watch it with Spa visits.

My favorite had always been the spa next to the Hilton on Hong Song East road, but it got closed start of November. Same with Yu Yuan on Lian Hua Road and 99 on Qilian shan road. Probably quite a few others too. The only ones that remained open was New Wave on Zhong Shan Road (inner ring) near Wuzhong Road and another spot I hadn't known about close by on Wuzhong Road. All girls from the other sauna's pretty much crammed into New Wave.

The one on Hong Song road reopened for about a day in mid-November before they had to shut down again. As far as I know New wave is still operating (I think the owner has several places, but this one is a bit lower profile and he has his connections) but they did have to close two days ago for a day. Not sure if it's safe.

On the plus side, there's lots of sauna girls out there on a break, and most are happy enough to hang out or provide freebies if you speak Chinese.

[QUOTE=Ikksman;1651597]Thank goodness someone finally attempted to put this thread into perspective. Well done!

I think that many here truly fail to appreciate the level of poverty in the rural areas. I have known personally of a few cases, and read of many, where a parent just fatalistically accepts an easily curable illness and gradually die because they cannot afford the costs of medical treatment. Coincidentally, the father of a friend (of my GF) died in agony last week of a leukemia related illness. And the girl's tight-fisted English BF refused to even donate a few RMB to make her father's last few weeks of life a little more comfortable.

Ikksman[/QUOTE]In summary. Chinese people are simply pragmatic. Everything else is just a facade. If something benefits us or our families, we want it. If it doesn't, then we don't.

Just be open-minded. The willingness to accept and understand cultural differences will really help. Treat a Chinese woman with respect and honesty and they will definitely reciprocate the gesture.

[QUOTE=Ikksman;1651597]
I think that many here truly fail to appreciate the level of poverty in the rural areas.

Ikksman.[/QUOTE]I understand. I have seen the rural areas and completely understand why these girls do these things. I just don't want to be the one taken advantage of to better her life. I have already done that once to an amount I am embarrassed to share. I know there are others here too that fell for a working girl and paid for it to the tune of thousands (and I don't mean RMB).

A young 22 year old thing is taking advantage of some 50 year old the same way he is taking advantage of her.

The fool is the one that get's taken advantage of more.

Once the newbie working learns the ropes and the mentality of the others seeking to make her peers jealous look out. #18 at Shaanxi Lu seemed perplexed when I offered her 100 tip the first few times. Then accepted it. Maybe that was part of the act. At many MPs the gal will start to bargain with your member in hand. That puts the newbie monger at a disadvantage. The gals are pros or soon will be.

[QUOTE=FiveAces;1651505]A TOTAL of 224 people were held in a series of raids on prostitution and gambling venues over the weekend, police said yesterday.

Swoops were conducted across the city and 56 premises offering prostitution or gambling services were shut down in the operation.[/QUOTE]I will now be certain to leave my pack of cards and mahjong set behind before venturing out for the next session!

It been some time since my last visit to Shanghai and I would really appreciate some tips of good massage places in the area around thumb plaza.

I know two places, one just cross the to the Radisson hotel and one a bit further up the same road. In both of them you could get a nice HJ but maybe a bit pricey.

But is there any more places in the near, even someone advanced actions then HJ's could be if interest?

Also.

Read that Bodi still is in business! What price level could I expect there now?

Hey guys,

Long time hobbyist and just recently back to Shanghai. I've been here long enough to know that I'm looking for a niche offering. I'm not really into the BBS wham-bam action, I don't want to spend the excessive amounts for sauna's, and I'm not interested in FS / BJ.

Basically I'm looking for a killer prostate, ball tease, and massage combo. Does anyone know a place in Jing'an? I tried the place next to the minimart and it's been just plain average, with seemingly no prostate available. I directly told mamasan before I got situated last time, but it didn't happen and I wasn't charged. Really strange. The girls are all also 30+ and not really noteworthy at all.

The place on Xikang Lu is also gone. Would really appreciate a tip.

Thanks all.

Let's put this thread back to the business. Sorry to say, but I see a lot of "bla bla", with very less analysis.

First advice: from my experience and what I read, here you should never follow anyone to anywhere (no matter if it's a guy or a lady). They will just bring the guy to a place and show a huge bill on "room charge" or something like that.

Prices: here it's not cheap. For up to one hour it is closer if not higher than US or European prices, but on the long time the deal can be fairly decent: still you spend 1500 - 2500 RMB (quite an amount) for overnight. Compared to other places that can be considered cheaper, but overall as an amount is still damned high (more than a normal daily net salary, right?

Less than 1000 RMB looks impossible.

The point where I need your help is the "barber" shops. I never tried those. Any idea there?

Anyway overall, what a disappointment this city (price wise)!

Ok, so arrived last night, long flight and with time difference it's been over 24 hrs without sleep. Hotel downtown in Pudong. I'm not up to much tonight but I'll do a proper report when I've been out and checked it out. Not sure where the fun is, been scouring the forum but it seems places open and shut frequently and compounded by the fact that this city is huge. Been working all over Europe and obviously these cities, Athens, Rome, Lisbon, Paris etc are a lot smaller so easier to get to grips with. If anyone can recommend places to go here I'd appreciate it, I know about Manhattans already If not I'm sure I'll find my way around and will report accordingly.

Have fun everyone.

I prefer PM to posting. I have some recommendations for you.

Bj4987.

Long time hobbyist and just recently back to Shanghai. I've been here long enough to know that I'm looking for a niche offering. I'm not really into the BBS wham-bam action, I don't want to spend the excessive amounts for sauna's, and I'm not interested in FS / BJ.

Basically I'm looking for a killer prostate, ball tease, and massage combo. Does anyone know a place in Jing'an? I tried the place next to the minimart and it's been just plain average, with seemingly no prostate available. I directly told mamasan before I got situated last time, but it didn't happen and I wasn't charged. Really strange. The girls are all also 30+ and not really noteworthy at all.

The place on Xikang Lu is also gone. Would really appreciate a tip.

Thanks all.

Hi BJ, PM me I guess I can refer to someone you may like.

I'm not sure but I guess we already had PM ed??

Gregory.

[QUOTE=Beijing4987;1652702]I prefer PM to posting. I have some recommendations for you.

Bj4987.

Long time hobbyist and just recently back to Shanghai. I've been here long enough to know that I'm looking for a niche offering. I'm not really into the BBS wham-bam action, I don't want to spend the excessive amounts for sauna's, and I'm not interested in FS / BJ.

Basically I'm looking for a killer prostate, ball tease, and massage combo. Does anyone know a place in Jing'an? I tried the place next to the minimart and it's been just plain average, with seemingly no prostate available. I directly told mamasan before I got situated last time, but it didn't happen and I wasn't charged. Really strange. The girls are all also 30+ and not really noteworthy at all.

The place on Xikang Lu is also gone. Would really appreciate a tip.

Thanks all.[/QUOTE]

Just PM me I can refer you to my favorite contact. She is meeting all your expectations.

Gregory.

[QUOTE=Madsen8;1652507]Hey guys,

Long time hobbyist and just recently back to Shanghai. I've been here long enough to know that I'm looking for a niche offering. I'm not really into the BBS wham-bam action, I don't want to spend the excessive amounts for sauna's, and I'm not interested in FS / BJ.

Basically I'm looking for a killer prostate, ball tease, and massage combo. Does anyone know a place in Jing'an? I tried the place next to the minimart and it's been just plain average, with seemingly no prostate available. I directly told mamasan before I got situated last time, but it didn't happen and I wasn't charged. Really strange. The girls are all also 30+ and not really noteworthy at all.

The place on Xikang Lu is also gone. Would really appreciate a tip.

Thanks all.[/QUOTE]

Just saw you do not have PM. Become a member!!

Alternatively go to "Classifieds" search for my name there you will also find what you look for.

Gregory.

[QUOTE=Madsen8;1652507]Hey guys,

Long time hobbyist and just recently back to Shanghai. I've been here long enough to know that I'm looking for a niche offering. I'm not really into the BBS wham-bam action, I don't want to spend the excessive amounts for sauna's, and I'm not interested in FS / BJ.

Basically I'm looking for a killer prostate, ball tease, and massage combo. Does anyone know a place in Jing'an? I tried the place next to the minimart and it's been just plain average, with seemingly no prostate available. I directly told mamasan before I got situated last time, but it didn't happen and I wasn't charged. Really strange. The girls are all also 30+ and not really noteworthy at all.

The place on Xikang Lu is also gone. Would really appreciate a tip.

Thanks all.[/QUOTE]

I got confused, about your posting re Gubei.

Ignore my post, haha.

Gregory.

[QUOTE=Beijing4987;1652702]I prefer PM to posting. I have some recommendations for you.

Bj4987.

Long time hobbyist and just recently back to Shanghai. I've been here long enough to know that I'm looking for a niche offering. I'm not really into the BBS wham-bam action, I don't want to spend the excessive amounts for sauna's, and I'm not interested in FS / BJ.

Basically I'm looking for a killer prostate, ball tease, and massage combo. Does anyone know a place in Jing'an? I tried the place next to the minimart and it's been just plain average, with seemingly no prostate available. I directly told mamasan before I got situated last time, but it didn't happen and I wasn't charged. Really strange. The girls are all also 30+ and not really noteworthy at all.

The place on Xikang Lu is also gone. Would really appreciate a tip.

Thanks all.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Markrg8;1652666]Ok, so arrived last night, long flight and with time difference it's been over 24 hrs without sleep. Hotel downtown in Pudong. I'm not up to much tonight but I'll do a proper report when I've been out and checked it out. Not sure where the fun is, been scouring the forum but it seems places open and shut frequently and compounded by the fact that this city is huge. If anyone can recommend places to go here I'd appreciate it, I know about Manhattans already If not I'm sure I'll find my way around and will report accordingly. Have fun everyone.[/QUOTE]I am not sure, what bring you to the idea, that anything "shut frequently" here in Shanghai. Honestly all the top places are very "stable" over a long time already. Small Barbershops or Massage Parlor will come and go, but that's nothing what you will find a lot here in the forum.

I wrote a detailed "Newbie Introduction" some month ago and it's still a good start for your party here in the city:

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?945-East-China-Shanghai&p=1526486[/URL]#post1526486.

From Pudong you definitely will have to "travel" a little bit and cross the river, because for that kind of fun Pudong is more "dry" than Puxi (because in Pudong the Police is more "strikt", so the better places prefer to provide their service on Puxi side).

And one rule first: Never ever follow any dude on the street who will bring you to a "girls bar / girls club / massage with sexy girls" and so on. You will have a good chance to end this adventure with 5000 to 30000 RMB spending for a lousy or even no service!

[QUOTE=Beijing4987;1652702]I prefer PM to posting. I have some recommendations for you.

Bj4987.

Long time hobbyist and just recently back to Shanghai. I've been here long enough to know that I'm looking for a niche offering. I'm not really into the BBS wham-bam action, I don't want to spend the excessive amounts for sauna's, and I'm not interested in FS / BJ.

Basically I'm looking for a killer prostate, ball tease, and massage combo. Does anyone know a place in Jing'an? I tried the place next to the minimart and it's been just plain average, with seemingly no prostate available. I directly told mamasan before I got situated last time, but it didn't happen and I wasn't charged. Really strange. The girls are all also 30+ and not really noteworthy at all.

The place on Xikang Lu is also gone. Would really appreciate a tip.

Thanks all.[/QUOTE]I simply can't afford to until my job situation becomes more stable. I would be glad to report back, though. I reported on HS already, but for some reason I'm still waiting for post approval.

For the record, I'm also only looking for outcall! Thanks again, guys. Look forward to contributing in the future.

[QUOTE=Zaqaaa;1652540]Let's put this thread back to the business. Sorry to say, but I see a lot of "bla bla", with very less analysis.

First advice: from my experience and what I read, here you should never follow anyone to anywhere (no matter if it's a guy or a lady). They will just bring the guy to a place and show a huge bill on "room charge" or something like that.

Prices: here it's not cheap. For up to one hour it is closer if not higher than US or European prices, but on the long time the deal can be fairly decent: still you spend 1500 - 2500 RMB (quite an amount) for overnight. Compared to other places that can be considered cheaper, but overall as an amount is still damned high (more than a normal daily net salary, right?

Less than 1000 RMB looks impossible.

The point where I need your help is the "barber" shops. I never tried those. Any idea there?

Anyway overall, what a disappointment this city (price wise)![/QUOTE]Several saunas are less than RMB1000, and of course, most QQ girls are (but they can be a lot of work). As for BBS, laowai price averages RMB200 to 300 for a very short time (typically 15 minutes or less). In many places, the girls don't fully undress, nor do they allow you to undress either (just drop your pants and hit it). I've tried a few, and it's really not my scene, just too much of a rush and the girls don't do enough to help you get off. I've heard BBS referred to as the McD of sex, which is pretty accurate from my experience.

[QUOTE=Zaqaaa;1652540]Prices: here it's not cheap. For up to one hour it is closer if not higher than US or European prices, but on the long time the deal can be fairly decent: still you spend 1500 - 2500 RMB (quite an amount) for overnight. Compared to other places that can be considered cheaper, but overall as an amount is still damned high (more than a normal daily net salary, right?

Less than 1000 RMB looks impossible.[/QUOTE]Saunas are less than 1000 (650 to 900 is good for 90 minutes with multiple shoots already).

A short time pickup from a vietnamese can be done for 600 to 800!

But yes, the city is expensive! Girls here do that for to get rich, not for have a normal life!

It's illegal, so if the risk is higher, you want to earn more to compensate the risk!

But over all, there are so many young sexy girls in that business, that it's not a place for cheap fun, but definitly for great fun!

[QUOTE=Zaqaaa;1652540]The point where I need your help is the "barber" shops. I never tried those. Any idea there?[/QUOTE]Definitely not worth (and a healthy risk), I would say. For Chinese it will be 100 to 150 for a short shoot, go in, one minute BJ, cover and fuck. If you did not come in next 5 minutes (which could be hard because of the mechanical service and lousy environment), the girl will push you already, after 10 minutes she will really be pissed off, don't even try the 15 minutes!! And as a western guy, they will charge at least 250 to 300 from you, but for the same! And try to avoid to imagine, how many Chinese guys who had their last shower 2 weeks ago used to lie on the same towel where you just placed your body! Strictly NOT recommendable for 300!

There are some other type of shops, I call them massage parlor, they are much more worth the deal. You pay 430, got a shower (and a fresh towel), than you will get blow job, girl naked, fuck as long as you need, than shower again. All together between 25 to 40 minutes without a rush, so a much better deal. By the way, the girl get 200 of that, funny to see how the mamasan took my 430 and gave 200 to the girl who just service me. Places like that will have 10 to 15 girls for choose (if you know how to avoid they choose for you), some are a good sauna level, sometimes the service is even better! But it's different from girl to girl! Last time I went out of the shower and the girl just went on her knees and gave me one the the best BJ ever, with DT, balls massage and everything, next time the girl played dead fish (but she was amazing hot, I selected the young office styled girl behind the counter, and unfortunately this seems to be the place where she feel much more comfortable)! But what ever you get there, it will definitely be cheap and much more than you get for 150 less in a Barbershop.

Shanghai has very less of this shops and you need to travel a little bit around, but definitely worth the time and money you spend.

Send me a private message, and I can tell you where to find some of this shops.

Steven.

Thanks for that guide!

Some time ago there where a lot of talk about Bodi, is there any reason they rant mention as frequent anymore or is just me missing something.

Bodi is in a good distance for me but don't want to go there if it's not cleared and / or making an to big hole in my wallet.

Is there any other saunas or good Spa's in that area?

[QUOTE=ShanghaiGuide;1652752]I am not sure, what bring you to the idea, that anything "shut frequently" here in Shanghai. Honestly all the top places are very "stable" over a long time already. Small Barbershops or Massage Parlor will come and go, but that's nothing what you will find a lot here in the forum.

I wrote a detailed "Newbie Introduction" some month ago and it's still a good start for your party here in the city:

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?945-East-China-Shanghai&p=1526486#post1526486[/URL][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ShanghaiGuide;1652752]I am not sure, what bring you to the idea, that anything "shut frequently" here in Shanghai. Honestly all the top places are very "stable" over a long time already. Small Barbershops or Massage Parlor will come and go, but that's nothing what you will find a lot here in the forum.

I wrote a detailed "Newbie Introduction" some month ago and it's still a good start for your party here in the city:

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?945-East-China-Shanghai&p=1526486#post1526486[/URL]

From Pudong you definitely will have to "travel" a little bit and cross the river, because for that kind of fun Pudong is more "dry" than Puxi (because in Pudong the Police is more "strikt", so the better places prefer to provide their service on Puxi side).

And one rule first: Never ever follow any dude on the street who will bring you to a "girls bar / girls club / massage with sexy girls" and so on. You will have a good chance to end this adventure with 5000 to 30000 RMB spending for a lousy or even no service![/QUOTE]Thanks for the update, read your earlier post and very informative. Worked late tonight but walked along from the hotel and big massage parlours everywhere, some with very sexy women inside. May try tomorrow and travel further afield next week.

Markrg8

Hi everyone,

I'm new to the scene but had a good time in Thailand. I'm looking for some full service in Shanghai.

I'm a Chinese but can't speak it. I'm wondering if anyone can recommend me a good parlour (90 mins without costing more than 1000 RMB). It seems like BBS aren't that clean and saunas aren't as great.

QQ girls also work.

Thanks

Hi guys,

I'm new to the scene but had a recent experience in Thailand and really enjoyed it.

I'm wondering if anyone can recommended me good parlours to check out for some full service. (90 minutes 300-900 RMB) I am Chinese but cannot speak or write it.

I also read that BBS aren't very hygienic so I prefer to keeps things clean.

Cheers and thanks.

[QUOTE=Markrg8;1653049]Thanks for the update, read your earlier post and very informative. Worked late tonight but walked along from the hotel and big massage parlours everywhere, some with very sexy women inside. May try tomorrow and travel further afield next week.

Markrg8[/QUOTE]If you try a massage shop which you don't know, there are several options, what you finally will enter:

1. a totally "legit" place with a professional massage for around 148 to 448 RMB, but no special service included or available!

2. a shop with happy ending massage (handjob) for around 198 to 298, but no extras available!

3. a place where they will charge between 168 and 368 for a legit massage and ask for a tip for handjob, blowjob or even more!

There are some "signs", that could be helpful to find the ones with naughty service:

- all places (at least I found till now) who have 24 hour service will offer at least a handjob happy ending, never only legit service.

- same with all shops, that use also Japanese letters for advertisement (I guess Japanese guys don't like a massage without happy ending).

- if they have sexy dressed girls sitting around in the entry, you have a very good chance to get more than a legit massage.

- as more "central" the shops are, as more they will charge for happy ending and as less the chance, that it's included already.

On our nightlife tour we visit shops for 189 for a 90 minutes oil massage with happy ending (HJ), but all a little bit outside (taxi ride about 30 RMB).

I checked out 3 shops already near Jing An, but never found one in the same "budget" with a similar service, if they have a more popular location.

For example the shop opposite site of Hilton asked for 238 for the massage, but the girl tried to get 500 Tip for just a handjob, when I checked it.

Pretty sure you could talk her down to 100 for 200, but's it's still not a clever deal, and not good for guys with less Chinese skills.

Have fun (and luck to find the right one).

Steven

[QUOTE=Gwizink;1653418]Hi everyone,

I'm new to the scene but had a good time in Thailand. I'm looking for some full service in Shanghai.

I'm a Chinese but can't speak it. I'm wondering if anyone can recommend me a good parlour (90 mins without costing more than 1000 RMB). It seems like BBS aren't that clean and saunas aren't as great.

Thanks[/QUOTE]Not really sure, what you are looking for? Could be it's a "wording" problem? You will not find something called "parlor" in Shanghai. You have massage places, but no 90 sex sessions there. I know some massage parlors, where you pay around 400 for 30 minutes, than you habe Barbershops (BBS), but there it's cheap and fast, so also not matched to your requirement. The only place where you can get 90 minutes sessions will be a sauna or spa location, and here the budget will be around 650 to 1000, so that will matched most to your request. But who told you they aren't as great, and as great as what?

Shanghai Guide.

Where are these places that offer FS for 430 rmb that you mentioned? Any in Jingan or Gubei?

[QUOTE=ShanghaiGuide;1653612]Not really sure, what you are looking for? Could be it's a "wording" problem? You will not find something called "parlor" in Shanghai. You have massage places, but no 90 sex sessions there. I know some massage parlors, where you pay around 400 for 30 minutes, than you habe Barbershops (BBS), but there it's cheap and fast, so also not matched to your requirement. The only place where you can get 90 minutes sessions will be a sauna or spa location, and here the budget will be around 650 to 1000, so that will matched most to your request. But who told you they aren't as great, and as great as what?[/QUOTE]Hi,

I read your guide earlier from here ([B]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?945-East-China-Shanghai&p=1526486#post1526486[/B]) and what I "think" is the best suited for me are the full sex parlors or QQ girls.

I think the sex sauna would be great as well but I am looking for less professionally trained girls.

Do you know here I can find some of these full sex parlors?

Thanks

[QUOTE=Gwizink;1653814]Hi,
Do you know here I can find some of these full sex parlors?
Thanks[/QUOTE]I know that ShanghaiGuide advised you that they do not exist, but I think I know what you mean. These parlours are everywhere in China. Just look for the sign and logo shown in the photo below. The girls are not always hanging outside. Some of the girls wear cute uniforms.

Yesterday I was a bit drunk walking down the Nanjing East pedestrian road. I had been approached by touts around there before, but absolutely nothing like the constant bombardment I faced every meter I walked. Being in a drunk and not caring mood, with money and time to kill, after the first couple of them, I started speaking to each and every one. No matter how much I told them the prices were too low to believe or asked them if there were any extra fees or costs, every last one of them insisted that it was wither 50 or 100 rmb for a massage and 100 or 200 rmb for sex and that there were no other fees or costs involved. Nothing I could say could change their stories. Finally, when I reached the Apple store at the end of the road, the last one approached me with the same story and promising it would just be 200 rmb and nothing more, and that I could just go to take a look and that if I didn't like what I saw, I could leave without paying anything. She asked me if I wanted to take a taxi or take the metro there, which I thought was weird. We hopped in a taxi and she was asking about me. She was one of the few people I have ever met who guessed my nationality right on the first try, and definitely the only Chinese to do so. She seemed like a nerdy just graduated from university type. Anyway, I had been talking to her instead of paying attention to where we were going, but the meter on the taxi was only 14 rmb when we got to our destination, and I knew it had to be somewhere north of where we were before. The street was wide open and seemed pretty dead except for the entrance to some sauna which it seemed that we were walking to. It turned out that we were in fact going right next door to the sauna, behind some glass doors that were covered up so that you couldn't see inside. There were some couches inside with a few men and women looking bored, but they all perked up once they saw me. There was also a front counter like you would see at a real massage parlor. Everything was very clean, but also very cheap looking. I was immediately ushered into a KTV-esque room where I sat down on the couch, with the tout on one side, a lineup of 7 girls in front of me, and another girl sitting on my other side. I think the girl sitting down next to me, although she looked like part of the lineup, was supposed to be some sort of translator, I have no idea, but I didn't speak a word of English the whole time. The lineup had 7 girls, all looking to be in their 20's, but five of them were very plain looking. Only the girl sitting next to me and the two girls on the ends of the line seemed attractive to me. I said that they were all so good looking that I couldn't choose. I asked the tout to suggest one to me, but I don't think she could understand me. I chose a girl on the end. She was a little bit smaller than the others, but I didn't realize how small until the lineup and the tout left, and she sat down next to me. She was tiny! The other girl sitting on my other side remained, and I'm not sure why. I spoke to both girls for a bit. They seemed super interested in my apartment, asking me every detail. Maybe they were sizing me up for how much to try to extort from me? I really can't say. I paid the girl I chose 200 rmb and she got up and left. I chatted with the other a little bit more. She said she was a Shanghai native and 26 years old. When the girl I chose got back, the other one left. I then asked where the bathroom was, because I wanted to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134][CodeWord134][/url] and also scout out the place a little bit. In the hallway outside the room I was in, I could see both the front waiting area and the bathroom. The bathroom itself had a lock on the inside of the door which couldn't be opened from outside the bathroom. There was also a window large enough to get out of and I could step on the toilet to easily get out. Outside the window there was a little grass and it was an alley in a neighborhood. This whole place was on the ground floor and I thought it would be an easy escape route if it came to that. Part of me felt like maybe I should just leave now, but I did leave my jacket in the room. I thought maybe I could disconnect a pipe in the bathroom before leaving with the bathroom door locked. Those extortionists would have had a fun time with that! Anyway, I got back to the room. There was no lock on the door, and there was even a big hole where a door knob should be installed. The girl put a rag in the hole to block it off. She sat down next to me and started touching me lightly here and there. We talked a little more and she said that she was 24. She then hit a switch on the ceiling and the music that had been playing in the hallway was also playing on a speaker inside the room. Soon she asked me if it was ok to turn off the light. I let her, and then her touching became more sexual. I was really liking this. I helped her pull my pants down a bit and after a little more playing, she put a rubber on me, pulled her pantyhose down a little and got on top of me. She did the work for a bit and then I did. We did a few other positions and it didn't feel rushed at all. However, she hadn't used any lube and her pussy wasn't very wet. The condom was completely dry to the touch. A few times she felt some pain and I wanted to stop, but she told me keep going. Eventually I was sitting back on the sofa and she got some lube to give me a hand job. That was really good and she was a pro at it. I was hard, but I was feeling pretty nervous about probably getting my ass kicked shortly, so I couldn't come. I told her it was ok, even though she insisted that she keep trying until I came. She said she was going to the bathroom to clean, but I heard her outside talking with a guy who was asking her if we were finished.

Part 2 to come later when I get a chance.

[QUOTE=Ikksman;1653920]I know that ShanghaiGuide advised you that they do not exist, but I think I know what you mean. These parlours are everywhere in China. Just look for the sign and logo shown in the photo below. The girls are not always hanging outside. Some of the girls wear cute uniforms.

Ikksman
[SUP][i]"No need to expose fools. They expose themselves!"[/i][/SUP][/QUOTE]If I was a betting man, I'd say that is where Officer Gwizink works.

[QUOTE=Ikksman;1653920]I know that ShanghaiGuide advised you that they do not exist, but I think I know what you mean. These parlours are everywhere in China. Just look for the sign and logo shown in the photo below. The girls are not always hanging outside. Some of the girls wear cute uniforms.

Ikksman
[SUP][i]"No need to expose fools. They expose themselves!"[/i][/SUP][/QUOTE]Reminds me of one poster on a forum inisting on addresses for full service in Beijing, he was very belligerent and annoyed a few of the members so I gave him the address of the police entry exit administration in DongZhiMen (just the street address and building colour), wonder how he got on, lots of cuties there.

Teltel.

[QUOTE=ShanghaiGuide;1653544]If you try a massage shop which you don't know, there are several options, what you finally will enter:

1. a totally "legit" place with a professional massage for around 148 to 448 RMB, but no special service included or available!

2. a shop with happy ending massage (handjob) for around 198 to 298, but no extras available!

3. a place where they will charge between 168 and 368 for a legit massage and ask for a tip for handjob, blowjob or even more!

There are some "signs", that could be helpful to find the ones with naughty service:

- all places (at least I found till now) who have 24 hour service will offer at least a handjob happy ending, never only legit service.

- same with all shops, that use also Japanese letters for advertisement (I guess Japanese guys don't like a massage without happy ending).

- if they have sexy dressed girls sitting around in the entry, you have a very good chance to get more than a legit massage.

- as more "central" the shops are, as more they will charge for happy ending and as less the chance, that it's included already.

On our nightlife tour we visit shops for 189 for a 90 minutes oil massage with happy ending (HJ), but all a little bit outside (taxi ride about 30 RMB).

I checked out 3 shops already near Jing An, but never found one in the same "budget" with a similar service, if they have a more popular location.

For example the shop opposite site of Hilton asked for 238 for the massage, but the girl tried to get 500 Tip for just a handjob, when I checked it.

Pretty sure you could talk her down to 100 for 200, but's it's still not a clever deal, and not good for guys with less Chinese skills.

Have fun (and luck to find the right one).

Steven[/QUOTE]Every massage establishment has an operating licence, it would be interesting to see an explanation of the different categories of licence, and what is listed in the associated "Business Plans".

I suspect that these things are better organised than we think. Recently the authorities were easily able to give advance notice and closed down all establishments in the recreational or leisure category, for two weeks!

[QUOTE=Fuzimiao;1654020]Every massage establishment has an operating licence, it would be interesting to see an explanation of the different categories of licence, and what is listed in the associated "Business Plans".

I suspect that these things are better organised than we think. Recently the authorities were easily able to give advance notice and closed down all establishments in the recreational or leisure category, for two weeks![/QUOTE]Yes, I also was impressed. Before the big "closure" in spring time, I was nearly sure, the authorities don't know which massage place has "extra service", and which ones are "legit", but than they closed only the "special ones" and keep the legit shops open, so it's oviously, that they know this shops, but don't care that they offer some more than only massage.

[QUOTE=RogerDodger5;1653948]Yesterday I was a bit drunk walking down the Nanjing East pedestrian road. {S N I P} Part 2 to come later when I get a chance.[/QUOTE]I don't know whether it is my age or not, but I find it impossible to keep my eyes on the same line in such a long paragraph. It is so much easier to read if it is broken up into shorter paragraphs.

The end result is that I gave up trying to read your post.

Ikksman
[SUP][i]"No need to expose fools. They expose themselves!"[/i][/SUP]

[QUOTE=LaoMa;1653962]If I was a betting man, I'd say that is where Officer Gwizink works.[/QUOTE]Um. Okay? Not sure why you think I'm an officer? I didn't even ask for an address of anything.

I read in other site and he said they're usually less experienced and more amateurish than sauna girls. (which I prefer).

Anyways, that's a moot point. I'll try out the saunas. Which has a prettier selection of girls (Asian standard wise: fair skin, bigger eyes, cute face)? From the guide, I would love to visit kang ding but it's way too pricey.

How's tang dynasty? Are the model girls on par?

[QUOTE=Ikksman;1654516]I don't know whether it is my age or not, but I find it impossible to keep my eyes on the same line in such a long paragraph. It is so much easier to read if it is broken up into shorter paragraphs.

The end result is that I gave up trying to read your post.

Ikksman
[SUP][i]"No need to expose fools. They expose themselves!"[/i][/SUP][/QUOTE]You didn't miss much, dude wrote essentially the same post back in January. He evidently has a lot of time on his hands. Perhaps Jackson would consider adding a "Dear Diary" folder for these kinds of posts.

[QUOTE=Gwizink;1654565]Um. Okay? Not sure why you think I'm an officer? I didn't even ask for an address of anything.

I read in other site and he said they're usually less experienced and more amateurish than sauna girls. (which I prefer).

Anyways, that's a moot point. I'll try out the saunas. Which has a prettier selection of girls (Asian standard wise: fair skin, bigger eyes, cute face)? From the guide, I would love to visit kang ding but it's way too pricey.

How's tang dynasty? Are the model girls on par?[/QUOTE]I would go to the Kang Ding sauna but couldn't find the place yet. Who has been there already? How is the place.

[QUOTE=Pierce33;1655806]I would go to the Kang Ding sauna but couldn't find the place yet. Who has been there already? How is the place.[/QUOTE]The Location is good, central and not far from Jing An Temple, the environment is medium standard, less upscaled than Tang Dynasty, but the girls are a much higher Level. Not a lot on selection (most time 10 to 15 on stage), but only stunners! They have 3 categories, starting from 1380 over 1580 to 1780 RMB. The two lower level offer a 90/80 minutes session for that, the "Top Models" only 60 minutes, restricted to one shot and even you pay so much, NO blowjob from that Top Models! But even there lowest level beat the top model on most saunas! So you can imagine which level the top category will have! For the top models they proof the "model" status often with (real) pictures (see attachment). The address is on our page, where you also can find a discount voucher with 200 RMB off for each session there.

I would not recommend the Top Level, just because the price to service ration. Chinese don't care much more, just for the "feeling" to have sex with a real model, but from my experience most customers need a better reason for such a increase of the rate. The lowest "m-models" they have only to "keep" the price level, every time when I have been there, than not more than 1 or two in the selection. But the medium level I can definitely recommend. I have been to many saunas for years now and on our nightlife tours I normally not join any session, when I bring customers to there, but I have to admit, that I throw my principles overboard already 2 times. I found girls there, who have been definitely worth to spend double! And I would say, both will be number 1 and 2 in the list of girls I had in my life sorted by beauty! And here we talk about the "medium level".

But all depends on taste. Especially the "Top Models" there are typical sorted in this category by Chinese, that means over 170, tits at least a C-Cup.

[QUOTE=ShanghaiGuide;1656264]The Location is good, central and not far from Jing An Temple, the environment is medium standard, less upscaled than Tang Dynasty, but the girls are a much higher Level. Not a lot on selection (most time 10 to 15 on stage), but only stunners! They have 3 categories, starting from 1380 over 1580 to 1780 RMB. The two lower level offer a 90/80 minutes session for that, the "Top Models" only 60 minutes, restricted to one shot and even you pay so much, NO blowjob from that Top Models! But even there lowest level beat the top model on most saunas! So you can imagine which level the top category will have! For the top models they proof the "model" status often with (real) pictures (see attachment). The address is on our page, where you also can find a discount voucher with 200 RMB off for each session there.

I would not recommend the Top Level, just because the price to service ration. Chinese don't care much more, just for the "feeling" to have sex with a real model, but from my experience most customers need a better reason for such a increase of the rate. The lowest "m-models" they have only to "keep" the price level, every time when I have been there, than not more than 1 or two in the selection. But the medium level I can definitely recommend. I have been to many saunas for years now and on our nightlife tours I normally not join any session, when I bring customers to there, but I have to admit, that I throw my principles overboard already 2 times. I found girls there, who have been definitely worth to spend double! And I would say, both will be number 1 and 2 in the list of girls I had in my life sorted by beauty! And here we talk about the "medium level".

But all depends on taste. Especially the "Top Models" there are typical sorted in this category by Chinese, that means over 170, tits at least a C-Cup.[/QUOTE]The top models certainly look good, thanks for the pix.

Hello,

Anyone willing to share the location of Kang Ding sauna?

May be a link to a Chinese forum that gives the address or wechat of the manager.

I'll make a report after testing it.

Thank you

Lately I've been getting a lot of friend requests on wechat. Some of these seem to be for outcall service.

My Chinese isn't great but the prices say 400 rmb - 3 hours and 600-800 for 8 hours.

What's the consensus on these? Do they lead to anything or should I just stay away? If it does lead to anything would I get through on my near to non-existent Chinese?

[QUOTE=HangSeng;1657205]Lately I've been getting a lot of friend requests on wechat. Some of these seem to be for outcall service.

My Chinese isn't great but the prices say 400 rmb - 3 hours and 600-800 for 8 hours.

What's the consensus on these? Do they lead to anything or should I just stay away? If it does lead to anything would I get through on my near to non-existent Chinese?[/QUOTE]Check out the thread: Chinese Words & Phrases, looks like someone is harvesting phone numbers!

I've never been to a country with snow / harsh winter but I'm heading to Shanghai in a few days.

Are street workers still active around this season / now?

Appears shut down. All the MPs are closed, only the legit few (blind massage) are open. Guess Christmas doesn't mean presents for punters on Rong Hua?

Appears shut down. All the MPs are closed, only the legit few (blind massage) are open. Guess Christmas doesn't mean presents for punters on Rong Hua?

Try Shaanxi Road. #3 is waiting for you. Such a sweetheart.

#98 Ronhhua lu in Gubei is closed until Friday.

[QUOTE=RogerDodger5;1653948]

Part 2 to come later when I get a chance.[/QUOTE]RogerDodger5,

Please finish the rest of the story. The price sounded too good to be true. You finished with the girl and started to leave room and then?

[QUOTE=PartyJunkie;1657425]I've never been to a country with snow / harsh winter but I'm heading to Shanghai in a few days.

Are street workers still active around this season / now?[/QUOTE]Shanghai is quite mild, only seen serious snow once in ten years, and that was gone two days later. For a harsh winter, try Beijing.

Street workers in Shanghai? Yeah, every street has 3 or 4, wearing Hi-viz clothing, picking up litter.

Fz.

[QUOTE=HangSeng;1657205]Lately I've been getting a lot of friend requests on wechat. Some of these seem to be for outcall service.

My Chinese isn't great but the prices say 400 rmb - 3 hours and 600-800 for 8 hours.

What's the consensus on these? Do they lead to anything or should I just stay away? If it does lead to anything would I get through on my near to non-existent Chinese?[/QUOTE]My personal experiences are that they all go back to touts, typically a girl behind the phone who is responsible in messaging you and getting you to say yes at which point she sends a girl over.

Maybe this turns you on maybe not.

In the end, if you want to be sure what you are getting, I suggest asking that person to send a picture, and say that you will not accept if the person who shows up is not the person in the picture, then see what they say.

At the price that was quoted to you, I would say it is too low but not impossible, depending on which hotel you stay in, which is why I never say which hotel, I just say I am close enough to you if you managed to find me.

Why do I know? I surprisingly befriended some of these touts, while most of them are regular in looks, they actually are quite fun to talk (and sometimes fuck).

[QUOTE=Fuzimiao;1657932]Street workers in Shanghai? Yeah, every street has 3 or 4, wearing Hi-viz clothing, picking up litter.

Fz.[/QUOTE]Well played sir. But as you know I'm referring to the female kind that normally wear skimpy clothes.

[QUOTE=Guitarrefreak;1657938]My personal experiences are that they all go back to touts, typically a girl behind the phone who is responsible in messaging you and getting you to say yes at which point she sends a girl over.

Maybe this turns you on maybe not.

In the end, if you want to be sure what you are getting, I suggest asking that person to send a picture, and say that you will not accept if the person who shows up is not the person in the picture, then see what they say.

At the price that was quoted to you, I would say it is too low but not impossible, depending on which hotel you stay in, which is why I never say which hotel, I just say I am close enough to you if you managed to find me.

Why do I know? I surprisingly befriended some of these touts, while most of them are regular in looks, they actually are quite fun to talk (and sometimes fuck).[/QUOTE]They don't send any messages. The have photos of girls to choose from (which look somewhat genuine, but can never be too sure.) I assume if I want to choose one I should call them.

Outcall isn't much of an option for me without booking a hotel as I have roommates.

[QUOTE=PukiMonster;1658544]Please don't encourage the lunatic. Newbies following his actions could easily end up dead, or at the very least, with empty bank accounts.

He supposedly was walking drunk down the most infamous street for scams and criminal deeds in the whole of China. He was chatting to all the scam artists. He went in a taxi, with an unknown person to an unknown destination etc (BTW why do you always write ect). And the old saying also holds true "if the price is too good to be true, then it probably isn't true".

His actions border on the insane. Newbies take note.

Puki[/QUOTE]Pukimonster,

Please don't attack this guy with names. He wrote a review. He did not finish it but he at least got half way through. A lot of guys I am sure go in a taxi with touts to find girls. If it ended badly then it is a learning experience for all of us. I found the minimum myself in Shanghai to be 400 RMB and although the girl was 24, perfect body and fun. It was rushed and in bad area. Then 700 min if they come to your hotel room.

Hey guys,

Was wondering which if the three places near me is the best to try; 1808 Beijing Road, Yuyuan Road, or the Wuning / Wanhangdu intersection spot? Read through the thread and saw that 1808 has changed and Yuyuan road might not offer FS.

Thanks for help.

[QUOTE=PartyJunkie;1658172]Well played sir. But as you know I'm referring to the female kind that normally wear skimpy clothes.[/QUOTE]Sorry about that. Street walkers are much a thing of the past, best be guided by reports here, and be safe. The scammers exist, only because there are plenty of people following the scammers.

[QUOTE=OnlySkin;1658617]Hey guys,

Was wondering which if the three places near me is the best to try; 1808 Beijing Road, Yuyuan Road, or the Wuning / Wanhangdu intersection spot? Read through the thread and saw that 1808 has changed and Yuyuan road might not offer FS.

Thanks for help.[/QUOTE]I have been to all 3 a number of times. None of them offer FS. Someone here has gotten lucky at Wanhangdu but the others no, of course YMMV depending on the girl.

I have gotten a massage from every girl at 1808 BJ LU. I have offered everyone of them stupid money for FS. I really did not want it, I was just playing. Only one girl seemed like she may have jumped at it. Of course if you built a relationship anything is possible. One girl was willing to come to my hotel after work but at 3 am on a Sunday night, I just wanted to be asleep. The girls also all told me the manager would fire them if they did due to the Popo. I actually got the front desk guy at BJ Lu to send 3 girls to the room and let me pick one.

My overall opinion is that the girls at BJ LU tend to be prettier. The girls at Yuyuan Lu tend to rush you through. The girls at Wanhangdu were on the heavy side and not my cup of tea. I stopped going to WH. They were also doing a body lick vs massage. It's not as good as it sounds IMHO.

I have not been in SH for about 3 months so the girls may have changed some. In my last year and half of coming to SH, I find the girl quality and activities have not changed much from what I stated above.

Sam Can.

I ended up going to the alley parlor on Wanghangdu lu, picked the second girl they sent, she was okay, nothing special. I offered 700 for FS and she agreed. Did everything and two showers. Average experience but mainly because of the girl. Going to try to see if 1808 offers FS as well. The girl at Wanghangdu lu did the whole shhh don't tell routine again and I was thoroughly unamused. Kept offering and she eventually agreed.

Sorry for the double post but I was also wondering if there are any cheaper barbershop alternatives near the same area in Jin'an. I can do without the whole shower and massage routine and would rather go somewhere where FS is offered straight up.

Thanks Sam for the tips.

If you join and can receive a PM I can give you advice. Talking openly about FS at these places may cause LE to shut them down.

Sorry for the double post but I was also wondering if there are any cheaper barbershop alternatives near the same area in Jin'an. I can do without the whole shower and massage routine and would rather go somewhere where FS is offered straight up.

Thanks Sam for the tips.

[QUOTE=Beijing4987;1658821]If you join and can receive a PM I can give you advice. Talking openly about FS at these places may cause LE to shut them down.
.[/QUOTE]BJ is right, worse part is if they shut them down and you are there! I have heard that doesn't turn out so well.

There is a lot more information available By PM. It is worth it.

Sam Can.

[QUOTE=SamCan;1658908]BJ is right, worse part is if they shut them down and you are there! I have heard that doesn't turn out so well.

There is a lot more information available By PM. It is worth it.

Sam Can.[/QUOTE]Joined, thanks in advance.

[QUOTE=PukiMonster;1658664]Each and every one of his actions were extremely foolhardy and you should not condone his actions, especially going drunk in a taxi with an unknown person to an unknown destination from the most infamous street for scams in China. I repeat, absolute lunacy.

BTW according to your own admission, you have not been to Shanghai for at least 5 years.

Pukimonster[/QUOTE]What he did was foolish. I agree. I have not been there in 5 years right. But, so what.

[QUOTE=OnlySkin;1658762]I ended up going to the alley parlor on Wanghangdu lu, picked the second girl they sent, she was okay, nothing special. I offered 700 for FS and she agreed. Did everything and two showers. Average experience but mainly because of the girl. Going to try to see if 1808 offers FS as well. The girl at Wanghangdu lu did the whole shhh don't tell routine again and I was thoroughly unamused. Kept offering and she eventually agreed.[/QUOTE]What was the quality of the girls you saw? (the one you sent back and the one you took). I have only been there twice. Once, the girl was in her 20's and a little meat on her, not really chubby but definitely pretty, the other was late 20's and downright FAT.

What was your experience. I was just wondering if the girls had changed some.

Sam.

Sa.

Hello,

Here is a quick report about Sacrosa No 268.

I went there last week during lunch time. Was sent to the line-up immediately. I think I had 6 girls in front of me. Nothing very special to say. I took 268. She looked nice, maybe a 6/10 on my scale.

In a nutshell, no DFK but small kisses were OK. BBBJ is standard. Nothing to report.

DATA was OK, but the lady is not shaved. However, she really liked my tongue and stopped it to put a condom on my fingers since she does not allow unprotected fingering.

She came in less than 5 minutes in silence and had to rest for a few minutes.

Then she capped me and we went for several positions. Now the thing is either my LB had a size reduction or she is really large and over lubed! But the feeling was almost non existent.

We fucked for 20 min, me trying to find a good position and her trying to accommodate me. But finally uncapped and came in her mouth.

Had some rest for 25 min, almost fall asleep and then again a second try that ended up in hand job because she said I pumped her too hard. So I came with her licking my nipples.

I would not recommend her unless you are really really thick!

Last thing about Sacrose is the girls won't let you go before the 70 min which is frustrating if the girl is not so good.

BBS in Hongsong lu have been closed for a while? Anyone know what is going on over there? LE?

Thanks!

[QUOTE=ShaunPalmer;1659562]BBS in Hongsong lu have been closed for a while? Anyone know what is going on over there? LE?

Thanks![/QUOTE]Hongsong dong lu? I've only been there once and was planning to go back once I had some free time. Had one girl ad me on wechat but we haven't chatted and I think she went back to her home city.

I seem to recall last year, the VNM girls didn't understand Christmas. A bunch of them ended up there with no Expats or business men to sell to. all the expats had gone home on holiday leave.

I heard good deals and choices were to be had for the guys still in Shanghai!

Did they learn this year, or is it a repeat performance.

Wishing the best to my fellow mongerers lucky enough to be there right now.

Merry Christmas.

Sam.

I'm looking for a place to take some of my coworkers that offer foreign KTV girls. Do you have any suggestions? And what can I expect to pay for singing with them?

Disappointing end to what could have been an awesome session. Siyuan has been one of my favourites but I'm not so sure now. Basically, the condom broke and the girl freaked out. No happy ending for me and on top of that a fine of 100 rmb! Plus the indignity of dirty looks from the manager and counter staff. These laowai's with their big dicks. Really must remember to bring my own condoms. New year's resolution.

TM.

[QUOTE=Trawlerman;1660916]Disappointing end to what could have been an awesome session. Siyuan has been one of my favourites but I'm not so sure now. Basically, the condom broke and the girl freaked out. No happy ending for me and on top of that a fine of 100 rmb! Plus the indignity of dirty looks from the manager and counter staff. These laowai's with their big dicks. Really must remember to bring my own condoms. New year's resolution.

TM.[/QUOTE]A fine for a broken condom? I think you should fine them for having such shoddy condoms. If it was the USA You could take them to court probably HAHA.

[QUOTE=Trawlerman;1660916]Disappointing end to what could have been an awesome session. Siyuan has been one of my favourites but I'm not so sure now. Basically, the condom broke and the girl freaked out. No happy ending for me and on top of that a fine of 100 rmb! Plus the indignity of dirty looks from the manager and counter staff.[/QUOTE]First you should not have paid their 100 fine! And second, I would not have paid the session or may be just the basic shower fee!

I am a regular customer there and every time there is something wrong I never paid full price. I even always keep my phone when during forbidden period (probably because they know me now).

And in fact, in your situation, I would have complained.

[QUOTE=ShanghaiTim;1660910]I'm looking for a place to take some of my coworkers that offer foreign KTV girls. Do you have any suggestions? And what can I expect to pay for singing with them?[/QUOTE]Foreign KTV girls? You expect western girls? Than I am afraid no chance, at least I not found a club yet who provided western KTV girls. If Korean or Japanese girls are what you are looking for, than much more easy, but for club with pretty ones you will not go out with less than 1000 to 1500 RMB sitting fee (no extra service included). So from my point of view not really a good deal.

[QUOTE=Braquo;1660989]First you should not have paid their 100 fine! And second, I would not have paid the session or may be just the basic shower fee!

I am a regular customer there and every time there is something wrong I never paid full price. I even always keep my phone when during forbidden period (probably because they know me now).

And in fact, in your situation, I would have complained.[/QUOTE]Yeah, I did complain, argued with the manager, but he brought in two extra security guys and the situation got a little intimidating. I decided just to pay, go and not come back.

[QUOTE=Trawlerman;1661208]Yeah, I did complain, argued with the manager, but he brought in two extra security guys and the situation got a little intimidating. I decided just to pay, go and not come back.[/QUOTE]Yup, I would have done the same. $20 is no big deal compared to where that might be going.

Sam.

[QUOTE=Trawlerman;1660916]Disappointing end to what could have been an awesome session. Siyuan has been one of my favourites but I'm not so sure now. Basically, the condom broke and the girl freaked out. No happy ending for me and on top of that a fine of 100 rmb! Plus the indignity of dirty looks from the manager and counter staff. These laowai's with their big dicks. Really must remember to bring my own condoms. New year's resolution.

TM[/QUOTE]You should have paid the fine. Many guys try on purpose to break the condom or bring their own condoms that they have tampered with. The place has to give the girl a little extra to keep them staying their and not quit. You have a regular place that you feel safe at. I would have paid said sorry and left. You risked the girl health and life so for 100 RMB its nothing. Its also nothing compared to a beat down.

My experience has been that broken condoms have not not been an issue. If, IF, there is chemistry, bare is possible. Not with great regularity, but it can be good, very, very very good. If she insists on a condom, I don't repeat. OK. Call the morality police! I had a vasectomy years ago and I get a VD report once a year. In the US. Really good fucking!

[QUOTE=Waldeck2;1661349]My experience has been that broken condoms have not not been an issue. If, IF, there is chemistry, bare is possible. Not with great regularity, but it can be good, very, very very good. If she insists on a condom, I don't repeat. OK. Call the morality police! I had a vasectomy years ago and I get a VD report once a year. In the US. Really good fucking![/QUOTE]No moral police here, but it is not chemistry making you safe in a BBFS. It is about how safe and VD / HIV free were the previous customers.

The chemistry can give you a feeling on how she behaves, but not on her health.

Regular check can make you feel comfortable you have been lucky so far, but will not even tell you if you got something in the weeks before the test itself.

With this in mind each one can then take his own risk, and extend the risk to the next girl.

[QUOTE=TomSf;1661333]You should have paid the fine.[/QUOTE]He wrote that he paid the fine.

[QUOTE]Many guys try on purpose to break the condom or bring their own condoms that they have tampered with.[/QUOTE]Some Chinese brand condoms break very easily. I have had a girl break 2 of them just trying to put them on me. I then made her use one of my polyurethane Okamotos which are extremely thin but strong.

[QUOTE]The place has to give the girl a little extra to keep them staying their and not quit.[/QUOTE]You are extremely naive if you think that the girl received any of the 100 RMB. In all probability, she was likely also fined (just another way to extract money from the poor WGs).

[QUOTE]You have a regular place that you feel safe at. I would have paid said sorry and left. You risked the girl health and life so for 100 RMB its nothing. Its also nothing compared to a beat down.[/QUOTE]He did not risk the girl's health. She risked his health. And again, he paid the 100 RMB (under duress) that they levied because they classified him as a newbie.

Ikksman.

[QUOTE=BionicMan;1661376]No moral police here, but it is not chemistry making you safe in a BBFS. It is about how safe and VD / HIV free were the previous customers.

The chemistry can give you a feeling on how she behaves, but not on her health.

Regular check can make you feel comfortable you have been lucky so far, but will not even tell you if you got something in the weeks before the test itself.

With this in mind each one can then take his own risk, and extend the risk to the next girl.[/QUOTE]Do you really think you are telling him anything he doesn't know and hasn't heard hundreds of times?

[QUOTE=Trawlerman;1661208]Yeah, I did complain, argued with the manager, but he brought in two extra security guys and the situation got a little intimidating. I decided just to pay, go and not come back.[/QUOTE]By the way, do you remember the girl number?

It may be good to avoid her.

[QUOTE=Ikksman;1661482]

You are extremely naive if you think that the girl received any of the 100 RMB. In all probability, she was likely also fined (just another way to extract money from the poor WGs).

Ikksman.[/QUOTE]The girls have a regular check up, 100 rmb will pay for an intermediate check up at the clinic, which is fact the neighbour to Siyuan, in Laoshan Lu.

[QUOTE=ShanghaiGuide;1661063]Foreign KTV girls? You expect western girls? Than I am afraid no chance, at least I not found a club yet who provided western KTV girls. If Korean or Japanese girls are what you are looking for, than much more easy, but for club with pretty ones you will not go out with less than 1000 to 1500 RMB sitting fee (no extra service included). So from my point of view not really a good deal.[/QUOTE]I have been to KTV with some Russian girls. Quality not good and not pleasant. Much better off with young good looking Chinese girls.

[QUOTE=Beijing4987;1658821]If you join and can receive a PM I can give you advice. Talking openly about FS at these places may cause LE to shut them down.

Sorry for the double post but I was also wondering if there are any cheaper barbershop alternatives near the same area in Jin'an. I can do without the whole shower and massage routine and would rather go somewhere where FS is offered straight up.

Thanks Sam for the tips.[/QUOTE]BBS usually environment is not good. Decent ones put a disposable sheet over bed. That's about it. Girls don't shower after each customer. If you are prepared, pm me and I can tell you some BBS nearby.

[QUOTE=ShanghaiGuide;1653612]Not really sure, what you are looking for? Could be it's a "wording" problem? You will not find something called "parlor" in Shanghai. You have massage places, but no 90 sex sessions there. I know some massage parlors, where you pay around 400 for 30 minutes, than you habe Barbershops (BBS), but there it's cheap and fast, so also not matched to your requirement. The only place where you can get 90 minutes sessions will be a sauna or spa location, and here the budget will be around 650 to 1000, so that will matched most to your request. But who told you they aren't as great, and as great as what?[/QUOTE]Are their any reliable in call service providers in sh? I know about sauna, BBS, KTV. But once in a while in call service is nice.

So, yesterday I went there, booking the famous and 18.. And I really find wired. In the room I had a short fat a/b cup middle age with big but flat ass. And she didn t provide Bj, and for a Fs the quotation 500rmb…

1 - First possibility: they cheat me.

2- Second one: The so famous 18 change shop or number.

3- Third one: My standard is maybe too high.

I was in that shop already 3 times. And really not so happy.

Tonight I ll go around my old area in Gubei, I got new location of some gems back on duty.

However BoB, Dudes and Fellas. Happy Christmas and happy new year.

[QUOTE=ShanghaiNemo;1661974]So, yesterday I went there, booking the famous and 18.. And I really find wired. In the room I had a short fat a/b cup middle age with big but flat ass. And she didn t provide Bj, and for a Fs the quotation 500rmb

1 - First possibility: they cheat me.

2- Second one: The so famous 18 change shop or number.

3- .[/QUOTE]Your answer is above.

18 is out of town. She is mid to late 20's. No fat ass, smaller chest but not terribly small. My standards are high and she meets them.

Sam.

[QUOTE=Ikksman;1661482]He wrote that he paid the fine.

Some Chinese brand condoms break very easily. I have had a girl break 2 of them just trying to put them on me. I then made her use one of my polyurethane Okamotos which are extremely thin but strong.

You are extremely naive if you think that the girl received any of the 100 RMB. In all probability, she was likely also fined (just another way to extract money from the poor WGs).

He did not risk the girl's health. She risked his health. And again, he paid the 100 RMB (under duress) that they levied because they classified him as a newbie.

Ikksman.[/QUOTE]Ikks,

Once again you nit pick conversations trying to find something to complain about. He wrote he paid the 100 RMB so that is not the question. I wrote he should pay because the girl was put at extra risk. But, no one knows her health status so it is possible he was the one at risk. That is a coin toss. When you write " She risked his health? You are assuming the customer is clean. Only his doctor knows and you do not know his health status.

Regarding condoms if you are a tourist and have access to good condoms. You should be bringing your own condoms. I am not a fan of Asian condoms because many are weakly made.

China is a big place and unless she is a sex slave she is free to leave and work somewhere else.

For you guys who want to find escorts in Shanghai, you may PM me. I stayed there for 2 years, and found one good reliable agency, who has list of over 100 girls, from students, office lady, models even small tv movie stars. This was the best one I found through hard work and luck!

Before you start to gain interest, I'll explain a little bit for you.

Pros: Huge number, overall high quality, reliable agency, reliable pictures of each girls on website, most of the girls have a real job and quite highly educated, and usually they will satisfied all your need, eg, CIM, DFK， DATY, etc.

Cons: high price as well (one hour from 2000 RMB to 20000, most range BTW 3000-8000), agency fee (it's usually 1000-5000, but included in the total price, which means if you visit the same girl again, the money you pay will be the initial price minus the agency fee), I'm not sure if the reception speak english and they mainly use social tool QQ.

As an example for you, I picked several girls from 2000-5000 before, and my favorite was one 22 girl who has a Japan background. She's 4 K, agence takes 1 k, so the money went to her was 3 k. I usually visited her for 2 hours with 4. 5 k. And last month I check she's still on the clock.

At last, I don't have any relations with this agency, actually I have left Shanghai, and spent my past years in Paris. So now I'm exploring the wonderland of europe, and just accidentally entered this one.

[QUOTE=Faceless78;1662129]For you guys who want to find escorts in Shanghai, you may PM me. I stayed there for 2 years, and found one good reliable agency, who has list of over 100 girls, from students, office lady, models even small tv movie stars. This was the best one I found through hard work and luck!

Before you start to gain interest, I'll explain a little bit for you.

Pros: Huge number, overall high quality, reliable agency, reliable pictures of each girls on website, most of the girls have a real job and quite highly educated, and usually they will satisfied all your need, eg, CIM, DFK， DATY, etc.

Cons: high price as well (one hour from 2000 RMB to 20000, most range BTW 3000-8000), agency fee (it's usually 1000-5000, but included in the total price, which means if you visit the same girl again, the money you pay will be the initial price minus the agency fee), I'm not sure if the reception speak english and they mainly use social tool QQ.

As an example for you, I picked several girls from 2000-5000 before, and my favorite was one 22 girl who has a Japan background. She's 4 K, agence takes 1 k, so the money went to her was 3 k. I usually visited her for 2 hours with 4. 5 k. And last month I check she's still on the clock.

At last, I don't have any relations with this agency, actually I have left Shanghai, and spent my past years in Paris. So now I'm exploring the wonderland of europe, and just accidentally entered this one.[/QUOTE]I looked at your posts from Germany FKK and Paris; I think it's fair to say that you are very unique to most posters here on ISG, in that you have no problem paying insanely high amounts of money for your prostitutes. The prices you are quoting above, in Shanghai, are nothing less than ridiculous to all but the very wealthy. But good for you, I guess. My troubling question is what's with the PM needed? It's a website, that obviously wants to find wealthy (or stupid) clients; you claim no ties to them, so why not just post a link?

Today I paid a visit to Royal Spring sauna and booked their model girl, S1. Announced price: 1880 RMB / hour.

For the location, it is already well known, nearby the fake market on Nanjin Rd.

As for the girl, obviously the pictures are much better than in real life. I did not ask for her age and I'm not sure about her name (we exchanged wechat contacts).

Stats:

Occupation: Model.

Height: 1,70 m at least.

Weight: 45 kg I guess, very thin.

Breast: A, with big nipples.

Body: very thin, no fat (one little scar on right side of belly).

Ass: not to flat. But no round enough and skin breaks on it.

Pussy: natural, not shaved.

Service: 5/10 (no kiss, no DATY, no fingering).

Retry: Probably but not in the sauna.

The session.

Booked S1 in the taxi, so she was ready when I arrived.

She is wearing a long dress that is more for a ceremony than to give you a hard on!

Arrived in room, undressed and went to shower. No real discussion since my Chinese is poor. After the shower, we go to the bed and she start with nipples licking (her mouth is wet, so good point) and she moves to BBBJ. The BJ is OK but nothing exceptional. It is wet! I want to switch and go for DATY, but she refused. So I lick her nipples, play with her clit with my fingers but no penetration and no saliva. She takes care of me again, makes me hard, cap me and we start in mish. Since her services are limited to basic sex, my plan is to take my time and come at the end of the session. This is what happened. We had sex for almost 45 min: mish, spoon, doggy, standing up, doggy against the bed. I think she came at least twice since she asked me to stop and catch her breath. She ended up all sweaty although she never went on top!

I finally shoot on her legs while she was licking my nipples.

So was it is good session? Yes in a way she never complained that I did not come fast. But no because her services are rather limited in the sauna. So I will try a meeting outside and see if there is any difference. It will also be cheaper!

[QUOTE=LaoMa;1662166]I looked at your posts from Germany FKK and Paris; I think it's fair to say that you are very unique to most posters here on ISG, in that you have no problem paying insanely high amounts of money for your prostitutes. The prices you are quoting above, in Shanghai, are nothing less than ridiculous to all but the very wealthy. But good for you, I guess. My troubling question is what's with the PM needed? It's a website, that obviously wants to find wealthy (or stupid) clients; you claim no ties to them, so why not just post a link?[/QUOTE]Ah, yes, I thought about one minute about posting that contact information here, but, as I mentioned.

That's QQ number, if suddenly tons of strangers come to him, I don't think he'll accept the requests. Its not like an escort site, everyone can look at the page and make a phone call.

And I'm not sure I'm among the rich, I just spend the money on where I like, I don't have many other interests. And as I explore more and more, I realize insane rich people are everywhere.

It was just a friendly proposal, anyone interests in or not, doesn't make any difference to me.

[QUOTE=SamCan;1662045]Your answer is above.

18 is out of town. She is mid to late 20's. No fat ass, smaller chest but not terribly small. My standards are high and she meets them.

Sam.[/QUOTE]Thanks Sam, I appreciated your answer. Surely they gave me a fake 18!

[QUOTE=TomSf;1658590]Pukimonster,

Please don't attack this guy with names. He wrote a review. If it ended badly then it is a learning experience for all of us.[/QUOTE]How many times do you see a male tourist being set up by a tout on Nanjing Lu. If you interfered you would quickly find out they are a gang not just one person.

It needs to be said over and over not ever to go with touts anywhere or anytime. Never.

That includes females or innocent seeming young girls just wanting to practice their English.

They are all there to rob you, not to welcome you to China. Some or most are willing to hurt you.

If you want to be robbed and maybe hurt as well then go with the nice touts. If you want to have a good time at a fair rate then read the forum and find out where.

To go.

[QUOTE=TomSf;1662119]{S N I P} China is a big place and unless she is a sex slave she is free to leave and work somewhere else.[/QUOTE]I would like to offer a slightly different view. There are many reasons why WGs, who are not 'sex slaves' (in the formal definition of the term), are not free to leave. A [B]few[/B] of these reasons are:

• The employer takes the girls ID card
• The employer threatens to inform the girl's parents, relatives, village of her occupation.
• The BF back in the village has promised to marry her as soon as she earns a certain amount of money
• The girl has been deliberately introduced to drugs and now has a dependency on them
• An 'Auntie' or relative has introduced her to the business and basically controls the girl
• The girl has become dependent on, and controlled by, a cockroach
• The girl owes money to the employer (training, uniforms, fines etc)

In the case of pre-yanda Changping, I estimate that the majority of girls, who had been working there for more than a few months, fell into one or more of the above categories.

Ikksman
[SUP][i]"No need to expose fools. They expose themselves!"[/i][/SUP]

[QUOTE=Ikksman;1663719]I would like to offer a slightly different view. There are many reasons why WGs, who are not 'sex slaves' (in the formal definition of the term), are not free to leave. ...........
In the case of pre-yanda Changping, I estimate that the majority of girls, who had been working there for more than a few months, fell into one or more of the above categories.

Ikksman
[SUP][i]"No need to expose fools. They expose themselves!"[/i][/SUP][/QUOTE]Whilst I most times agree with our POV, I must take an exception this time.

I have had the privilege (or is it ignominy) of quite intimately knowing too many of our Chinese courtesans and have formed a rather different POV. Oh sure, there are of course quite a few of these girls who falls under your characterization, but I'the suggest that these definitely do NOT form the majority – especially those more "seasoned. "

Chinese girls are not as naive and / or helpless as you seem to think they are; and I'd venture to say that the majority are in the profession of their own free will. Now, whether such "free will" is rational or not, given their propensity for being overly filial (to parents) and being too subservient to their husbands / BF, is of course subject to interpretation.

Yes, a lot of the "first timers" had been cheated by BF's, recruiters and even traffickers, and subject to constrictions as ID card confiscation, made drug dependent, blackmail etc. As you describe, but this usually do NOT last for long and either she goes back home chastened, or else instead go back out on her own to work.

And yes, some of these stories are quite harrowing, but I really think you do not give enough credit to the spirit of the Chinese lasses. I even know a girl who got "sold" by her supposed BF for a mere RMB 4,000 to an operator of a Jiangmen drug den and made drug dependent; and even though she is a very good looking girl, she mostly just accompanied clients to take drugs and most times sex did not even enter in the equation and regular physical beatings to keep her in line was also on the menu. That's how hard-core the situation she found herself in, but after over a year, she got the courage to just walk-out, slept on the streets for over a month whilst going cold turkey, and went to Chang Ping to start working at a regular KTV. Just like that, and I can tell you many other stories, mostly involving useless BF's and over-demanding parents, but mostly just illustrating their "free-will. ".

Only IMHO of course, but I really cannot agree to your postulation that most Chinese WG's are "not free to leave. "

SEAJ.

[QUOTE=Ikksman;1663719]I would like to offer a slightly different view. There are many reasons why WGs, who are not 'sex slaves' (in the formal definition of the term), are not free to leave. A few of these reasons are:

The employer takes the girls ID card

In the case of pre-yanda Changping, I estimate that the majority of girls, who had been working there for more than a few months, fell into one or more of the above categories.
[/QUOTE]Perhaps in Changping in the time of Cronin, but in Shanghai the only form of coercion is the fact that the girl must put down a deposit (normally of 2000 rmb), and must give one or two full months notice, when quitting, otherwise the security bond is lost.

Recently I am aware of several MP's where girls can buy in for a ten percent stake in the business, this also makes it difficult for them to move on!

In all cases the original owner retains more than 50%.

I have received a number of PMs to [I]"ignore the bullshit posts".[/I] You guys are correct, I should ignore them. No sense in giving them more publicity and clogging up the Shanghai forum with lengthy threads where the BSers tirelessly attempt to defend their BS.

Cheers.

Ikksman
[SUP][i]"No need to expose fools. They expose themselves!"[/i][/SUP]

[QUOTE=Ikksman;1663719]I would like to offer a slightly different view. There are many reasons why WGs, who are not 'sex slaves' (in the formal definition of the term), are not free to leave. A [B]few[/B] of these reasons are:

The employer takes the girls ID card
The employer threatens to inform the girl's parents, relatives, village of her occupation.
The BF back in the village has promised to marry her as soon as she earns a certain amount of money
The girl has been deliberately introduced to drugs and now has a dependency on them
An 'Auntie' or relative has introduced her to the business and basically controls the girl
The girl has become dependent on, and controlled by, a cockroach
The girl owes money to the employer (training, uniforms, fines etc)

In the case of pre-yanda Changping, I estimate that the majority of girls, who had been working there for more than a few months, fell into one or more of the above categories.

Ikksman
[SUP][i]"No need to expose fools. They expose themselves!"[/i][/SUP][/QUOTE]I have a lot of contacts in the sauna and escort scene here in Shanghai, and in this "working field", there is nearly no "pressure" from the company to keep them to stay or or beeing a "sex slave" of the company or business owner. For example the Sauna clubs pay salary every 10 days, the girls can leave when ever they want, just will loose the part of the salary they did not get yet, very less additional will have a deposit in the value mentioned here before (not more than 2000 RMB normally), and that is not really something can keep a girl into the sauna business, if she don't want, because that's what she make in 2 or 3 days. I just had a talk some days ago with a owner of a big sauna, and he told me, they had to rise up their rate, just because girls will move to other places, where they can get some more money, so if he want to keep the good ones in his club, he has to pay them some more, otherwise they leave, and I know many girls left the sauna business to do something else, go home or work as an escort and no one get any problem for that. At least not here in Shanghai.

And for escort it's even more "free". I never meet any agency who work with employed staff. All girls are "freelancer", the only pressure they will have is, that the agencies will not give them customers any more, if they will not be available too often or act in a way, that the customer complain, but there is no further "pressure" from their "company". Not like known from Beijing, where girls often "prisoned" in a company appartment, only allow to go out if they have customers, than even driven there with company car and driver, not allowed to own mobile phones, the passport is taken by the boss and so on.

I would guess it's different in Shanghai, because the "officals" don't care the same for "prositution" like in Beijing, so the "risk" to get prisones for the boss is much lower in Shanghai, so no need for him to "control" the business and girls so much. And I guess no boss in Shanghai will risk getting problems because of trafficking, because this will cause much more serious problems soon, compared with just running a sauna or escort business.

The point from my view is, under which conditions you will call a girls a "sex slave". For example in Germany prostitution is legal, but forced prostitution is still a crime.

Now it will happen, that people will call 80% of the deals in Germany "forced prostitution", because they define it as that, if a girl is in a economy situation, that she (think she) will have to work as a prostitute for getting enough money. If you define it like that, than every working girl in China is a "sex slave", just because she is a "slave of money" (like many Chinese people), and there is definitly no similar way for a (often uneducated) girl to make even 20% of the money she can get as a working girl in any other job she can get.

For example I meet a escort girl who worked independent and than stopped to go back to "regular" life. She came back to our page after some weeks and told me, she stopped escort before, because she did not feel good to be "fucked" by so many "bad" guys. Than she started to work in a office and found out, that she need to work 10 times more for 10% of the money and she also told me: "now I have 2 managers who also "fuck" me in a way I don't like several times a week. Not "fuck" my pussy, but "fuck" my brain, so nothing getting better at all"!

So from my view most of the girls in this business just do it, because they get much more money than for every other job. Even in a Barbershop, the girls will not have less than 20.000 RMB a month, in a sauna not less than 30.000 RMB, if they are "models", they will not make less than 60 000 RMB. So we talk about a 16 to 20 years old (often contryside) girl who make more than 10.000 US Dollars a month, and that in a area where many high educated engineers will go home with less than 2. 000 US Dollars!

So the "dream" of most of the girls will be, to work in a sauna for some years, save a lot of money and than go back in her hometown and start her own business like a restaurant or cloth shop. And with less than 25 years she could have 500.000 US Dollars savings already, and with that she could start a great life in her hometown.

Unfortunally it nearly never work like that. So I agree to the above listing regarding to the "enviroment" pressure. There are many external influences that will destroy their planing:

- The business is hard (no regular "scedule", many hours working a day, having sex several times a day and so on), so many girls will be drug addicted very fast (especially meth / ice) and some of the girls spend thousands of US Dollars for that every month.

- All around the sauna girls you will find "lovescammer" who pretend beeing a boyfriend (which many girls yearning for), but they only want to get as much money as possible.

- Many girls support their families at home (who pretend to believe she can send them 30 to 50 K a month just by normal working in Shanghai. What a fuck!

And beside all that "pressure", there are also many working girls, who just enjoy a very comfortable luxury life by a "unmoral", but very "lazy" lifestyle. Luxury goods, many free time for party, just for some "overnights" every month! I have a escort friend, she is 28 years now, driving a new Mercedes Sports Car here in Shanghai, bought a new big appartment (paid already), only wear brand clothes and accessories, enjoy luxury overseas holiday every year and so on. So she is far away from a "sex slave", but she has no motivation to think about doing another job. Some "expensive" part time girls on our page make 5000 RMB a month in their normal job and just enjoy the extra budget of 10 or 20.000 RMB a month just for having a short sex session from time to time.

For all the guys here who do not believe that girls can make so much money by that, I have to say that this is a typical "western thinking". I can feel the different thinking often in this forum, where every guy who talk about "higher rate entertainment" will be "blamed" for his foolishness and called a greenhorn, because here in this forum 90% of the posts try to find the "cheap sex" deals.

But as mentioned in my previews postings already, chinese guys are much more generous for that, because spending a lot for a girl is already a good way for a chinese guy to show he is rich and successfull, same like many (western) guys drive a expensive car to show they have money. So while western guys complain about the service and price ratio by spending 1980 RMB in a sauna for 60 minutes and only one pop (and no blowjob), chinese guys will just do it and tell everyone, that they spend 2000 to fuck a pretty model, and all will be impressed that he could afford that (while all western guys will be shocked how he could be so stupid).

So from my view (at least in Shanghai) there is no need to feel guilty if you "play" with a working girl, you will nearly never support a "bad" boss who force girls into the working business! Honestly, I only met less than 5 girls who work for "fun" , but I would guess nearly all the time (of course, there may be exceptions) you will support a girl to have the life she decided to live for herself and not forced into by others!

[QUOTE=FiveAces;1663608]How many times do you see a male tourist being set up by a tout on Nanjing Lu. If you interfered you would quickly find out they are a gang not just one person.

It needs to be said over and over not ever to go with touts anywhere or anytime. Never.

That includes females or innocent seeming young girls just wanting to practice their English.

They are all there to rob you, not to welcome you to China. Some or most are willing to hurt you.

If you want to be robbed and maybe hurt as well then go with the nice touts. If you want to have a good time at a fair rate then read the forum and find out where.

To go.[/QUOTE]Five Aces,

When you say "not ever to go with touts anywhere or anytime. " That is a general statement and that is not always true. This is mongering and mongering is dangerous. I have went with many touts and never had any problems and yes I can speak OK Mandarin. Now there were touts that I refused to go with. Like if they told me it was farther than walking distance and I would have to get in a car ect. I have been attacked on this board before because I say learning to speak some Chinese will not only help you from getting over charged but can help you get out of trouble if you do get in trouble. Minimum have a paper with some words that can help if you get into trouble. There will be not enough time for a translator on phone. But, I don't want another talk about speaking the language and how non Chinese speaking guys claim they effortlessly coast trouble China and never have and issues with language. That is them. I am referring to the rest of the people.

These girls and touts are out to make money from you. Not necessarily rob you. There are only 5 ways that I know about to get girls in China for mongering. 1. Barber shop, massage shop, touts, escort website, we chat type kind of apps. Each one has its own dangers and all of them you can be robbed or arrested. You also can go to Karaoke which in my opinion is the most dangerous way to get robbed.

[QUOTE=TomSf;1664006]Five aces,

These girls and touts are out to make money from you. Not necessarily rob you.[/QUOTE]Not really, the "serious" touts and girls have so many other ways to find customers much more easy and for example a sauna will pay up to 100 RMB to a guy who will bring in a new customers, but did you ever have been invited to a "normal" sauna by a tout on the street? I am out nearly every night, and it never happened to me! From my view there is no need for anyone to start to talk with western greenhorns on the street, if he want to find customers for a "normal" deal. There are 1000 times more Chinese customers around, so there is only one reason to pick out the 0,1 % western greenhorns: "easy to rip them off"! Everyone who really will be out to make money will have no reason to waste his time with western guys!

[QUOTE=TomSf;1664006]There are only 5 ways that I know about to get girls in China for mongering. 1. Barber shop, massage shop, touts, escort website, we chat type kind of apps. Each one has its own dangers and all of them you can be robbed or arrested. You also can go to Karaoke which in my opinion is the most dangerous way to get robbed.[/QUOTE]I can not totally agree to the above words.

First in the listing how to get girls, the sauna clubs and pickup bars are missing.

Second I don't understand how you think people get robbed in a Karaoke? Robbed for you is to pay high rates? Than I can agree, but robbed in my understanding is someone threaten or blackmail you to pay a fortune that never mentioned before. Every expensive "white" KTV will tell you how much for every service and it's up to you to decide, if it's worth for you or not. The only really "robbing" in Karaoke Clubs will happen in the illegal "black" KTVs, but here we are exactly at the beginning point. No one will ever end up in a "black" KTV, if he follow advertisement on buildings, magazines, forum recommendations and so on. The only way to end up in a black KTV will be to follow a tout on the street who will offer you "sexy girls", cheap drinks, bar very nearby and so on.

And from my experience I also would never ever recommend anyone to follow a tout on the street. I can speak a decent Chinese, and much more important, I have a good friend in a very high position in the Shanghai Police Department, so sometimes I "played the game" to follow touts, pretending first not to speak Chinese and totally act like a "greenhorn" (for example in Xin Tian Di, around Judy's or in Nanjing Lu), just to find out, if I can find new interesting places by that.

And my experience in the last year when I followed guys around 10 times was: I never ended up in a "white" place! Every time I finally ended up in a "black" KTV or Massage Club. never any reasonable service has been offered to me and 6 times I already called my police friend and kept him on phone just to "open" a way out without getting robbed, beated up or something like that.

I have to limit, however, that I did not use your filter of "only walking distance", but for me it's hard to believe that anyone can be so lucky to find good places by that and I tried it 10 times without being lucky even one time (but same time got in very dangerous situations 6 times. And I talk about being in trouble with violent criminals), so I would never ever advice anyone who don't know how to handle it to follow a tout in Shanghai.

And for the risk evaluation I would prefer a slightly differentiated analysis:

1. Barber shop: Risk of getting catched with trousers down in a raid: not happened even one time with a western guy last year / Risk to get overcharged (means more than agreed): never happened in any normal shop you pass by and go in / Risk to get robbed or blackmailed or threats of violence: never heard about that in a Barbershop.

2. Massage shop: Risk of getting caught with trousers down in a raid: not happened even one time with a western guy last year / Risk to get overcharged (means more than agreed): never happened in any normal shop you pass by and go in / Risk to get robbed or threats of violence: never heard about that in a "not tout shop".

3. Follow touts: Risk of threats of violence to give out credit card information: I would guess at least 10 to 20 % / Risk to get forced and blackmailed to pay 5. 000 to 30.000 RMB for a short time entertainment: I personally have been informed about around 20 cases last year, so I am sure it happened at least 5 times a day in Shanghai.

4. Escort website: Risk to be overcharged by upselling: Nearly every time / Risk for getting a totally different girl: happen every time you book / Risk to get robbed: never heard about any case over the last year / The risk of being burgled: exist, but low, because girl is "known".

5. We chat type kind of apps: Mix of Escort Website and Touts business, because most of the contacts there will be one of this both "companies".

6. Sauna Clubs: Risk to get caught in a raid: never happened in the last 5 years in Shanghai, as far as I know / Risk for get overcharged: Never / risk to get robbed: Never heard about any case (we talk about the "popular and white" sauna clubs, not the "black" ones where you only will end up by follow the tout!

7. Pickup bars: Risk to get overcharged: every day / Risk to get robbed, black male or threats of violence: Never heard about a case / The risk of being burgled: exist, but low, because girl is "known" and will not risk to get banned from the bar, but happened several times with "free" pickups on the street.

8. Girls Bars (Hostess Bars): Risk to get robbed or blackmailed, threats of violence: never heard about that / Risk to get overcharged: High, they will often cheat with drink bill / Risk for a Credit card fraud: High, happened several times last year.

9. KTV / Karaoke: Risk to get caught in a raid: never happened in the last 5 years in Shanghai, as far as I know / Risk for get overcharged: Never heard about that / Risk to pay a lot: yes, this clubs can be very expensive, but the rates are not a secret, you will know it in advance / risk to get robbed: Never heard about any case (we talk about the "popular and white" KTV clubs again, not the "black" ones where you also will only end up by following a the tout!

So from my point of view it is a really blue-eyed evaluation to say that all this ways have their own risk and and to give the impression that the risk would be even close to equal. From my view you can monger around in Shanghai with a nearly not existing risk by just visiting sauna clubs or you can have a nearly 100 % chance to get in serious trouble just by follow several touts the time you stay here.

I would be willing to bet with everyone here, that we can go to Xin Tian Di together, follow 10 times a tout and he will win 500 Dollar, if none of them will try to rip us off (blackmail, treaten with police or beating us up) for at least 5000 RMB, and I will loose that amount, if we could find 10 times some entertainment for less than 2000 RMB. But I am afraid no one who know the "market" only a little bit will bet against it?

But I totally agree, that speaking the language is helpful! Every time I change to Chinese will blow away more than 80% of the touts, because than they are afraid I know the market and I will not be the kind of guy who easily will be scared and willing to pay, so they immediately give up. Second the touts will be much more scared you are able to leave the club and call the next police guys around over, if you will be able to communicate with them. I even one time could listen to a quarrel, where my "tout" has getting in serious trouble with the manager of a black KTV, because he brought a guy in, who could speak Chinese and would be able to cause too much trouble to the club. Than the manager came back, excused to me, tried to explain all as a "misunderstanding" and guided me personally out. So from my experience it's never a mistake to speak the local language, but I also don't think there is anyone here around who really think it's not an advantage to have language skills for mongering!

Shsnghai Guide: Can you comment on the economics of the oil massage business in Shsnghai? The house fee went from 208 to 268 recently at some places in Jingan. The girls told me they received 70 out of the 208 fee and later 138 of the 268 fee. Do the chinese customers tip them？ They will on occasion agree to takeout on their day off, or after work ends, but usually need to get back to sleep in the dorm. Management seems to keep them on a short leash. What kind of monthly salary are they getting. I was told 3000-500 o last year.

Except for the Beijing part that is merely urban legend I agree with SG that making a lot of cash working freely as a WG is the Chinese dreams for most of these girls in large cities. A salary of 70 k cny per month is clearly possible although they Got worn out fairly quickly.

Let us not forget that for a lot of these girls doing this job is a fast way to get rich enough to do something else.

They usually come from a poor rather uneducated background where they see their body as a way to improve their life prospects.

Of course some of them need to pay for their parents, repay for a debt or support a lousy girlfriend but working as an escort or in a sauna is a free decision in many cases as a lesser evil.

That being said I also know that is a lot of litterature about girls being used as collateral for debts in the countryside. Never met any though and I believe that with the economic development of China you may find less and less of these. Similarly I have never met any Chinese WG in mainland China who was under drugs.

What Ikksman describes reminds me more of the situation encountered in Macau. Maybe it s the case in southern China too.

[QUOTE=ShanghaiGuide;1663910]I have a lot of contacts in the sauna and escort scene here in Shanghai, and in this "working field", there is nearly no "pressure" from the company to keep them to stay or or beeing a "sex slave" of the company or business owner. For example the Sauna clubs pay salary every 10 days, the girls can leave when ever they want, just will loose the part of the salary they did not get yet, very less additional will have a deposit in the value mentioned here before (not more than 2000 RMB normally), and that is not really something can keep a girl into the sauna business, if she don't want, because that's what she make in 2 or 3 days. I just had a talk some days ago with a owner of a big sauna, and he told me, they had to rise up their rate, just because girls will move to other places, where they can get some more money, so if he want to keep the good ones in his club, he has to pay them some more, otherwise they leave, and I know many girls left the sauna business to do something else, go home or work as an escort and no one get any problem for that. At least not here in Shanghai.

And for escort it's even more "free". I never meet any agency who work with employed staff. All girls are "freelancer", the only pressure they will have is, that the agencies will not give them customers any more, if they will not be available too often or act in a way, that the customer complain, but there is no further "pressure" from their "company". Not like known from Beijing, where girls often "prisoned" in a company appartment, only allow to go out if they have customers, than even driven there with company car and driver, not allowed to own mobile phones, the passport is taken by the boss and so on.

I would guess it's different in Shanghai, because the "officals" don't care the same for "prositution" like in Beijing, so the "risk" to get prisones for the boss is much lower in Shanghai, so no need for him to "control" the business and girls so much. And I guess no boss in Shanghai will risk getting problems because of trafficking, because this will cause much more serious problems soon, compared with just running a sauna or escort business.

The point from my view is, under which conditions you will call a girls a "sex slave". For example in Germany prostitution is legal, but forced prostitution is still a crime.

Now it will happen, that people will call 80% of the deals in Germany "forced prostitution", because they define it as that, if a girl is in a economy situation, that she (think she) will have to work as a prostitute for getting enough money. If you define it like that, than every working girl in China is a "sex slave", just because she is a "slave of money" (like many Chinese people), and there is definitly no similar way for a (often uneducated) girl to make even 20% of the money she can get as a working girl in any other job she can get.

For example I meet a escort girl who worked independent and than stopped to go back to "regular" life. She came back to our page after some weeks and told me, she stopped escort before, because she did not feel good to be "fucked" by so many "bad" guys. Than she started to work in a office and found out, that she need to work 10 times more for 10% of the money and she also told me: "now I have 2 managers who also "fuck" me in a way I don't like several times a week. Not "fuck" my pussy, but "fuck" my brain, so nothing getting better at all"!

So from my view most of the girls in this business just do it, because they get much more money than for every other job. Even in a Barbershop, the girls will not have less than 20.000 RMB a month, in a sauna not less than 30.000 RMB, if they are "models", they will not make less than 60 000 RMB. So we talk about a 16 to 20 years old (often contryside) girl who make more than 10.000 US Dollars a month, and that in a area where many high educated engineers will go home with less than 2. 000 US Dollars!

So the "dream" of most of the girls will be, to work in a sauna for some years, save a lot of money and than go back in her hometown and start her own business like a restaurant or cloth shop. And with less than 25 years she could have 500.000 US Dollars savings already, and with that she could start a great life in her hometown.

Unfortunally it nearly never work like that. So I agree to the above listing regarding to the "enviroment" pressure. There are many external influences that will destroy their planing:

- The business is hard (no regular "scedule", many hours working a day, having sex several times a day and so on), so many girls will be drug addicted very fast (especially meth / ice) and some of the girls spend thousands of US Dollars for that every month.

- All around the sauna girls you will find "lovescammer" who pretend beeing a boyfriend (which many girls yearning for), but they only want to get as much money as possible.

- Many girls support their families at home (who pretend to believe she can send them 30 to 50 K a month just by normal working in Shanghai. What a fuck!

And beside all that "pressure", there are also many working girls, who just enjoy a very comfortable luxury life by a "unmoral", but very "lazy" lifestyle. Luxury goods, many free time for party, just for some "overnights" every month! I have a escort friend, she is 28 years now, driving a new Mercedes Sports Car here in Shanghai, bought a new big appartment (paid already), only wear brand clothes and accessories, enjoy luxury overseas holiday every year and so on. So she is far away from a "sex slave", but she has no motivation to think about doing another job. Some "expensive" part time girls on our page make 5000 RMB a month in their normal job and just enjoy the extra budget of 10 or 20.000 RMB a month just for having a short sex session from time to time.

For all the guys here who do not believe that girls can make so much money by that, I have to say that this is a typical "western thinking". I can feel the different thinking often in this forum, where every guy who talk about "higher rate entertainment" will be "blamed" for his foolishness and called a greenhorn, because here in this forum 90% of the posts try to find the "cheap sex" deals.

But as mentioned in my previews postings already, chinese guys are much more generous for that, because spending a lot for a girl is already a good way for a chinese guy to show he is rich and successfull, same like many (western) guys drive a expensive car to show they have money. So while western guys complain about the service and price ratio by spending 1980 RMB in a sauna for 60 minutes and only one pop (and no blowjob), chinese guys will just do it and tell everyone, that they spend 2000 to fuck a pretty model, and all will be impressed that he could afford that (while all western guys will be shocked how he could be so stupid).

So from my view (at least in Shanghai) there is no need to feel guilty if you "play" with a working girl, you will nearly never support a "bad" boss who force girls into the working business! Honestly, I only met less than 5 girls who work for "fun" , but I would guess nearly all the time (of course, there may be exceptions) you will support a girl to have the life she decided to live for herself and not forced into by others![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=TomSf;1664006]Five aces,

When you say "not ever to go with touts anywhere or anytime. " That is a general statement and that is not always true. This is mongering and mongering is dangerous. I have went with many touts and never had any problems and yes I can speak OK Mandarin. Now there were touts that I refused to go with. Like if they told me it was farther than walking distance and I would have to get in a car ect. I have been attacked on this board before because I say learning to speak some Chinese will not only help you from getting over charged but can help you get out of trouble if you do get in trouble. Minimum have a paper with some words that can help if you get into trouble. There will be not enough time for a translator on phone. But, I don't want another talk about speaking the language and how non Chinese speaking guys claim they effortlessly coast trouble China and never have and issues with language. That is them. I am referring to the rest of the people.

These girls and touts are out to make money from you. Not necessarily rob you. There are only 5 ways that I know about to get girls in China for mongering. 1. Barber shop, massage shop, touts, escort website, we chat type kind of apps. Each one has its own dangers and all of them you can be robbed or arrested. You also can go to Karaoke which in my opinion is the most dangerous way to get robbed.[/QUOTE]

I have got to say this is just not true. If you think the danger involved with dealing with touts is overstated here you are wrong. Period.

If you don't mind the risk have fun. Pay tourist rate, get a really lousy sex massage, then get beat up and robbed by some sneering thugs. Ok enjoy.

By the way I did take the time to learn a little mandarin and have been visiting Shanghai for 8 years.

But anyway you can be certain that the thugs in the small room will know English; hunting tourists is their specialty.

[QUOTE=ShanghaiGuide;1663910]{S N I P} So the "dream" of most of the girls will be, to work in a sauna for some years, save a lot of money and than go back in her hometown and start her own business like a restaurant or cloth shop. And with less than 25 years she could have 500.000 US Dollars savings already, and with that she could start a great life in her hometown.

Unfortunally it nearly never work like that. So I agree to the above listing regarding to the "enviroment" pressure. There are many external influences that will destroy their planning: {S N I P}[/QUOTE]Thanks for a very informative post, SG. I know that most meth / ice is made in Southern China, but I think it is fast becoming a major nationwide problem (maybe it is not very visible to foreigners). But it is fast becoming a major part of KTV partying and the girls are forced to participate.

BTW, what other terms do you use for the "love scammers" in Shanghai? Do you use the terms 'cockroach', 'rice container' or 'chicken head'?

Ikks.

[QUOTE=SEAsiaJoe;1663767]Whilst I most times agree with our POV, I must take an exception this time. {S N I P}
Only IMHO of course, but I really cannot agree to your postulation that most Chinese WG's are "not free to leave. "
SEAJ.[/QUOTE]SEAJ,

Your level of experience in SZ and CP is exponentially greater than mine, and your post was enlightening.

I guess I was stretching it a bit to claim that in Changping [I]"the majority of girls, who had been working there for more than a few months, fell into one or more of the above categories."[/I] (of being under some form of duress / control). I should have been much more moderate in my statements!

WRT to the rest of China, particularly Northern China, I have no idea of the amount or degree of coercion/ control that exists (and did not claim to know), but I am sure that it is present, which is the main point I was ineptly attempting to make!

WGs in China have to suffer many indignities, but I am heartened by your confidence and belief in the spirit of the girls.

Cheers,
Ikks

Any recent updates for the Ramada near Pudong Airport? I have a late-arriving flight and an early departure the next morning, so taking a taxi for an hour to get to a sauna is not so appealing. Would appreciate any advice or suggestions.

[QUOTE=Jopj1;1664147]Except for the Beijing part that is merely urban legend I agree with SG [/QUOTE]I would not say it's a urban legend, could be it changed, but I had that situation around 8 years ago in Beijing and at least for that time I got the feeling, it was not a legend.

In 2006 I agreed to a girl who offered me a "massage girl" for my hotel room near my hotel, than she called a car by, than a car stopped, some girls inside, I picked out one, the "mamasan" even went with us to my hotel room (but luckily at least kept outside), after one hour she even knocked on my door to pick up the girl again. Unfortunately that time I did not speak any Chinese and she did not speak any English, but she had definitely no phone number and even start to cry when I asked for that. It was a horrible session, because I lost all motivation by feeling how sad and afraid she was, so I am nearly sure it was a case of trafficking, but that was just my impression that time and that's the reason why I really believe this kind of "urban legends" when I read about them now.

[QUOTE=Jopj1;1664147]Similarly I have never met any Chinese WG in mainland China who was under drugs.[/QUOTE]I would guess you did not do a drug test with them, right? Before I used to get more "deep into the scene", I would have told everyone exactly the same, but if you get more "close" to the sauna managers and girls, you will change your point of view.

Two years ago I started to meet one of my regular sauna girls outside the club and after some month when she and her friends started to trust me, I also have been invited to their parties where I could figure out, that many of this girls used to smoke ice (crystal meth), several of them even with Chinese customers together (It seems to be same popular in China than Cocaine for the "high society" in western countries).

I could see a very clear connection from the sex business with this drug. Who ever smoked ice, will know, that it will help the girls not to get tired, it doesn't matter how long their shift will be, the time will run much faster and additional they get more horny and they will have no problem to sex around for hours.

All effects of this drug are useful for their business, that's why so alluring for the girls. But for sure all girls I met have been fare away from the typical crack hookers I could see in american movies. From all the girls I later found out they regularly smoke ice, I never had any suspicions for month, so I would guess, if you met some more working girls in China, you also will have met some girls under drugs, but not so obviously, that you could realized it.

But that's just my personal evaluation.

[QUOTE=ShanghaiGuide;1664110]Not really, the "serious" touts and girls have so many other ways to find customers much more easy and for example a sauna will pay up to 100 RMB to a guy who will bring in a new customers, but did you ever have been invited to a "normal" sauna by a tout on the street? I am out nearly every night, and it never happened to me! From my view there is no need for anyone to start to talk with western greenhorns on the street, if he want to find customers for a "normal" deal. There are 1000 times more Chinese customers around, so there is only one reason to pick out the 0,1 % western greenhorns: "easy to rip them off"! Everyone who really will be out to make money will have no reason to waste his time with western guys!

I can not totally agree to the above words.

First in the listing how to get girls, the sauna clubs and pickup bars are missing.

Second I don't understand how you think people get robbed in a Karaoke? Robbed for you is to pay high rates? Than I can agree, but robbed in my understanding is someone threaten or blackmail you to pay a fortune that never mentioned before.[/QUOTE]ShanghaiGuide,

Excellent post. Thank you for writing this. I have no where near you knowledge and experience with Shanghai. When I was talking about KTV robbing customers. Yes, I was referring robbing by over charging. Especially white guys. But had Chinese friends that did not live in China and still got over charged. When I asked them how this could happen. He told me they could sense they were not a local. I don't really like drinking in another country for safety reasons so I never went to bars or had a need for KTV places. After reading this post it actually scared me about shanghai. Although I personally never felt unsafe. I guess it was just luck. I was in an area and I am sorry I can't remember area that I guess was safe. I was in a taxi and told him to stop and hopped out when I seen I was in a red light type area. There was many barber massage type shops concentrated in that particular area. I definitely need to be more careful sir.

Thank you again.

[QUOTE=TomSf;1664579]But had Chinese friends that did not live in China and still got over charged. When I asked them how this could happen. He told me they could sense they were not a local.[/QUOTE]They don't use mental telepathy. They can spot American Chinese by their clothes.

Yes ShanghaiGuide, that was an excellent post. My comments were for the benefit of just off the plane foreigners. They can't make subtle distinctions (as if there were any).

I have found Shanghai to be safe. You just have to RTFF to know the scams. Then have a really good time.

Thanks SG.

I haven t heard stories of cars full of girls / or encountered te situation in Beijing for 3-4 years at least. Not saying it s not happening just saying probably not common anymore. But it used to be the case indeed. Again I only comment on my personal experience or what I heard from girls I lnow in this industry and I ve never heard of I'd cards kept away or other horror stories in Beijing. On the contrary I ve always felt that people in Beijing had a strong entrepreneurship behavior and whenever they could go independent they would.

Would be interesting to have other Beijing senior members comments on this.

As regards your second point effects of ice on libido are well documented indeed and your story is interesting. I m not going to tell my life story but about 4 years ago I used to be very close to a WG in Macau who was taking ice to be able to make it. I ve seen the effects very up close on her and haven't seen anything similar on other girls in mainland China (except in Guangdong maybe). Again I m not saying it does not exist, just saying that I haven't encountered the case despite my rather long tenure in China. I will investigate a little on this to make up my own opinion. I ve encountered more cases of gambling and girls whoring to pay off gambling debts.

Cheers.

J.

[QUOTE=ShanghaiGuide;1664404]I would not say it's a urban legend, could be it changed, but I had that situation around 8 years ago in Beijing and at least for that time I got the feeling, it was not a legend.

In 2006 I agreed to a girl who offered me a "massage girl" for my hotel room near my hotel, than she called a car by, than a car stopped, some girls inside, I picked out one, the "mamasan" even went with us to my hotel room (but luckily at least kept outside), after one hour she even knocked on my door to pick up the girl again. Unfortunately that time I did not speak any Chinese and she did not speak any English, but she had definitely no phone number and even start to cry when I asked for that. It was a horrible session, because I lost all motivation by feeling how sad and afraid she was, so I am nearly sure it was a case of trafficking, but that was just my impression that time and that's the reason why I really believe this kind of "urban legends" when I read about them now.

I would guess you did not do a drug test with them, right? Before I used to get more "deep into the scene", I would have told everyone exactly the same, but if you get more "close" to the sauna managers and girls, you will change your point of view.

Two years ago I started to meet one of my regular sauna girls outside the club and after some month when she and her friends started to trust me, I also have been invited to their parties where I could figure out, that many of this girls used to smoke ice (crystal meth), several of them even with Chinese customers together (It seems to be same popular in China than Cocaine for the "high society" in western countries).

I could see a very clear connection from the sex business with this drug. Who ever smoked ice, will know, that it will help the girls not to get tired, it doesn't matter how long their shift will be, the time will run much faster and additional they get more horny and they will have no problem to sex around for hours.

All effects of this drug are useful for their business, that's why so alluring for the girls. But for sure all girls I met have been fare away from the typical crack hookers I could see in american movies. From all the girls I later found out they regularly smoke ice, I never had any suspicions for month, so I would guess, if you met some more working girls in China, you also will have met some girls under drugs, but not so obviously, that you could realized it.

But that's just my personal evaluation.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Jopj1;1664688]Thanks SG.

I haven t heard stories of cars full of girls / or encountered te situation in Beijing for 3-4 years at least. Not saying it s not happening just saying probably not common anymore. But it used to be the case indeed. Again I only comment on my personal experience or what I heard from girls I lnow in this industry and I ve never heard of I'd cards kept away or other horror stories in Beijing. On the contrary I ve always felt that people in Beijing had a strong entrepreneurship behavior and whenever they could go independent they would.

Would be interesting to have other Beijing senior members comments on this.

As regards your second point effects of ice on libido are well documented indeed and your story is interesting. I m not going to tell my life story but about 4 years ago I used to be very close to a WG in Macau who was taking ice to be able to make it. I ve seen the effects very up close on her and haven't seen anything similar on other girls in mainland China (except in Guangdong maybe). Again I m not saying it does not exist, just saying that I haven't encountered the case despite my rather long tenure in China. I will investigate a little on this to make up my own opinion. I ve encountered more cases of gambling and girls whoring to pay off gambling debts.

Cheers.

J.[/QUOTE]I'd agree with that. A couple of times when a girl left a sauna room for 5 minutes or so toward the end of the session, I asked if she went out to smoke ice and she looked at me as if I was mental. I got a sense in CP that kind of thing is more common and definitely 10 years ago it was done openly in bars in Shanghai, but seems to be much less prevalent now.

But that's just my experience, not doubting SG's POV. Just perhaps different circles of people / girls.

I have been to SH frequently and am just now (yeah) discovering the MP scene. I can read some Chinese but the abbreviations like SH, KB, YW confuse me. Can anyone help out?

[QUOTE=Ikksman;1663719]I would like to offer a slightly different view. There are many reasons why WGs, who are not 'sex slaves' (in the formal definition of the term), are not free to leave. A [B]few[/B] of these reasons are:

The employer takes the girls ID card
The employer threatens to inform the girl's parents, relatives, village of her occupation.
The BF back in the village has promised to marry her as soon as she earns a certain amount of money
The girl has been deliberately introduced to drugs and now has a dependency on them
An 'Auntie' or relative has introduced her to the business and basically controls the girl
The girl has become dependent on, and controlled by, a cockroach
The girl owes money to the employer (training, uniforms, fines etc)

In the case of pre-yanda Changping, I estimate that the majority of girls, who had been working there for more than a few months, fell into one or more of the above categories.

Ikksman
[SUP][i]"No need to expose fools. They expose themselves!"[/i][/SUP][/QUOTE]

I've heard several of these situations when I was having fun in the saunas of Shanghai.
Though I have also met WGs who seem to have much more personal freedom,
including asking if they could meet me for dinner and/or basically give me the services of an escort outside of their facilities.

[QUOTE=HongLong888;1665032]I have been to SH frequently and am just now (yeah) discovering the MP scene. I can read some Chinese but the abbreviations like SH, KB, YW confuse me. Can anyone help out?[/QUOTE]For example KB stands for kou bao (Chinese for "mouth explosion" used for the service "come in mouth".

The others I asked a sauna manager here in Shanghai, but even he has to research. The result will be.

Listed in our "shanghai naughty abbreviation" dictionary. Google that, and you will find your answer soon.

Have fun,

Steven

Hi, just posted the abbreviations I know here: [URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2216-Chinese-Words-amp-Phrases&p=1665673&viewfull=1[/URL]#post1665673.

[QUOTE=HongLong888;1665032]I have been to SH frequently and am just now (yeah) discovering the MP scene. I can read some Chinese but the abbreviations like SH, KB, YW confuse me. Can anyone help out?[/QUOTE]

I know it was bad in the end of November. I plan to come out in Feb-March. Are the saunas still close and one has to be careful, or bad times stayed behind?

Thanks.

[QUOTE=YuriB;1666209]I know it was bad in the end of November. I plan to come out in Feb-March. Are the saunas still close and one has to be careful, or bad times stayed behind?

Thanks[/QUOTE]You want to come in 6 to 10 weeks? And want to ask about the situation now? Seems you don't understand how it works here.

You never will know a "closing" weeks in advance. There are some days around national holiday and Chinese new year, where it will be more "windy" here, so more places will close. Also around government conferences or important meetings the LE will close more clubs, than from time to time different sauna or massage places will close, because their local police station will go out to check the venues around. So the only point that is more than soothsaying is, that around Chinese new year at 14th of February it will be a little bit more "dry" here! For all other days, better check one or two days before you arrive, there is no sense in researching weeks in advance.

Alas, the famous #18 is still gone. She promised to return January 4. Someone please let us know when she returns. #3 there is better in some ways. A good alternative.

[QUOTE=YuriB;1666209]I know it was bad in the end of November. I plan to come out in Feb-March. Are the saunas still close and one has to be careful, or bad times stayed behind?

Thanks.[/QUOTE]As Shanghai Guide pointed out, Chinese New Year is fairly late this year, in the middle of February, and the holiday will last several days, which will affect the number of places that are open and how many girls might be available (probably very few).

Going to SH shortly and would like to book a hotel close to the action and if possible with a good massage / sauna.

Any recommendations?

What would be the top 3 must visit places for a 3 day stay?

As always thanks for all the useful advice.

[QUOTE=Newbee321;1667691]Going to SH shortly and would like to book a hotel close to the action and if possible with a good massage / sauna.

Any recommendations?

What would be the top 3 must visit places for a 3 day stay?

As always thanks for all the useful advice.[/QUOTE]Hotel depends on your budget, but I would recommend Ambassador Hotel which is located in No. 818 Wanhangdu Lu. Near to the Center, easy to reach all Puxi things, a great sauna nearby, which even provide service to deliver the sauna girl you selected to your hotel room (more details by e-mail me or PM here).

3 days I would recommend:

You should spend one evening for a pickup in Manhattan and / or Judys.

Another evening for one or two sauna sessions.

Based on your budget another sauna day, a KTV party or try some happy ending massage.

Bodi has a hotel attached that gets decent reviews except for the location.

Siquan is at the Merrylin Hotel and across the street from an Intercontinental.

[QUOTE=Newbee321;1667691]Going to SH shortly and would like to book a hotel close to the action and if possible with a good massage / sauna.

Any recommendations?

What would be the top 3 must visit places for a 3 day stay?

As always thanks for all the useful advice.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Fritobugger;1667954]Bodi has a hotel attached that gets decent reviews except for the location.

Siquan is at the Merrylin Hotel and across the street from an Intercontinental.[/QUOTE]I stayed at Bodi. It was super convenient to just walk next door for the sauna (which has been up and down recently).

Getting a cab can take up to 20 minutes so if you're going somewhere plan ahead.

For all the mongers around, next days you better check your sauna, if they are really open. The LEs are on another "party road" and some saunas decided to calm down a little bit, asked us to hide their detailed information on our page and so on, so there is a big risk, that they also will close, if the wind get's too strong.

[QUOTE=ShanghaiGuide;1668287]For all the mongers around, next days you better check your sauna, if they are really open. The LEs are on another "party road" and some saunas decided to calm down a little bit, asked us to hide their detailed information on our page and so on, so there is a big risk, that they also will close, if the wind get's too strong.[/QUOTE]No need to worry any more, the sun come back to Shanghai today, all back to normal now.

Enjoy the city.

Steven

Looks like the BBS time in Shanghai is over. Around Songyuan lu everything has been closed for a month now and it doesn't seem like it will open again soon. So sad to see how the city get drier and drier day after day.

[QUOTE=ShaunPalmer;1669941]Looks like the BBS time in Shanghai is over. Around Songyuan lu everything has been closed for a month now and it doesn't seem like it will open again soon. So sad to see how the city get drier and drier day after day.[/QUOTE]To Shaun Palmer.

I know it will to mater of time the crack down in S China it finally hit SH also, so the sauna and KTV will be next no more FS it tough to find action in China now.

Fast eddie 48.

[QUOTE=Faceless78;1662129]
Pros: Huge number, overall high quality, reliable agency, reliable pictures of each girls on website, most of the girls have a real job and quite highly educated, and usually they will satisfied all your need, eg, CIM, DFK， DATY, etc.

Cons: high price as well (one hour from 2000 RMB to 20000, most range BTW 3000-8000), agency fee (it's usually 1000-5000, but included in the total price, which means if you visit the same girl again, the money you pay will be the initial price minus the agency fee), I'm not sure if the reception speak english and they mainly use social tool QQ.[/QUOTE]That's pretty expensive, way over what sauna charges. Many reliable agencies in Beijing charge under 1000. Anything like that in SH?

[QUOTE=ShaunPalmer;1669941]Looks like the BBS time in Shanghai is over. Around Songyuan lu everything has been closed for a month now and it doesn't seem like it will open again soon. So sad to see how the city get drier and drier day after day.[/QUOTE]BBS's in JingAn area are still up and running, so I would be careful painting with such a broad brush stroke.

[QUOTE=BrooklynCyclone;1670763]That's pretty expensive, way over what sauna charges. Many reliable agencies in Beijing charge under 1000. Anything like that in SH?[/QUOTE]There is a big different in the market between Shanghai and Beijing. Beijing outcall is cheaper, but all "incall venues" charge higher. I would guess, it's because the competition of the cheap pickup clubs like Manhattan and Judys and also the cheap sauna clubs make the cheap outcall agencies needless. The bargain hunters who try to get a cheap deal, will prever to go out to get it cheap, the guys who prefer the more convenience way of outcall don't care to pay some more.

We tried it with special offer of some girls on our page. One hour RMB 900 instead of 1400. The girl did not get significantly more customers in that period. Sounds weird, but it's a fact. So someone who run a agency here in Shanghai will not try to offer the "most cheap" deal, because he can never win a competition with a sauna, so he will concentrate on service, pictures, marketing and so on. Another reason will be, that the "price level" including the average salary in Shanghai is highest in China, so also the girls here expect higher rates. And in Shanghai they have many choices. If they will go to a sauna instead, they will get at least 400 RMB for a session, a outcall for 900 means she will not get more than 500 to 700 for herself, but need to loose time in taxi, will have a lot of time without customers. For that rate she can go to any sauna (if she is attractive) and get more money each day.

So I would say no chance for a reliable outcall agency here in Shanghai with rates lower than! Some will offer a rate of 400 or 600, but all I tried till now, never finally provided "full service" for that. They will upgrade again and again, and finally they will be much more expensive than the ones who promote (higher) but real rates online. And if you really get that cheap rate, you will also get only a provider in the level of what we call "street girls". This (older and more ugly ladies) you can find around the above mentioned clubs with rates of 200 to 300 for full service. But most guys will prefer to spend more for the girls inside the club. This level of girls can make money even with a cheap outcall, just because they found customers with faked pictures, and the "reject rate" is most time less than 50%, so still a deal.

Sorry to say that, but I am afraid you will not get what you expect here in Shanghai for that rate.

Nevertheless, there are so many great choices here in Shanghai!

And you will never find anything like that in Beijing!

So my recommendation: don't worry about what you miss here, better just enjoy what you get additional!