Safe Sex

There are many factors to knowing when a virus or bacteria is first traceable in the bloodstream (assuming the person is totally "clear" of anything prior to being exposed):

1) The virus/bacteria one is trying to detect (how fast does it replicate to the point when it is detectable?). There is a general range of time for each virus/bacteria if one searched the texts. The time is listed as a range because there are other factors such as. . .

2) The body's immune response to foreign invaders . . . Many viruses/bacteria are not detected directly but as an apect of noticing antibodies and/or the immune response to that bacteria.

Also, such things as the 3) Type of test being used and the turnaround time for such a test. A test maybe able to detect a type of bacteria within 24 hours for instance, but may cost 10x the cost of a test your physician may use that takes 3 days for instance.

To cut this long and complicated post short, listen to Havanaman and get tested NOW. Anything which you fear you may have is detectable by now. You can tell the physician when the suspected infection occurred (date of the sexual contact), and the physician can tell you whether a repeat test will be necessary. For your peace of mind, you may want to take repeat tests in 6 months anyway.

Lew Archer’s explanations are correct. Nicely done. I would totally endorse his 6 month re-test recommendation.

Loafer, as you can see from Lew’s post, it's hard to give you a definitive time line, however work on 7 – 10 days for bacterial / fungal infections. Genitourinary viral infections take a lot longer to establish, and will depend on class of virus. If you’re thinking the of the worst-case scenario: don’t! As simplistic as it may sound: “think healthy”, “get and stay in shape” (if you need to…) and if you don’t already, start taking multi-vits-mineral supplements daily. Our general health-status helps to not only keep us “healthy” (sorry!), but also fight infections (viral, bacterial and fungal).

Hey, I know how to sell being healthy! Listen to this: if you are at your peak of health for your age: your erections will be harder, and they will last longer. Your stamina will also last longer and you will ejaculate volumes! Need any more incentive?

Regards,
Havanaman

A few quick questions for any medical professionals who may be reading the board:

How long before a person who has been exposed to gonorrhea is contagous to others?
What would be a more effective means of transmitting gonorrhea: having one's face spit upon by an infected person? Unprotected oral sex on a male? Open mouth kissing an infected person? or Placing an unprotected finger in an infected vagina?

I understand that these may be difficult questions to answer and that science may not be exact but I'm curious about the relative likliehoods of each and am trying to settle a bet/convince some one that the disease is not something to be toyed with and that treatment is absolutely necessary.

Thanks.

I will leave the transmission methods, etc, to the medical professionals, but I do want to say something about just how "absolutely necessary" treatment really is.

Women rarely develop symptoms of Gonorrhoea and Chlamydia. That means that unless the women you sleep with are regularly tested, they could have the disease for months...even years...before they find out. During that time, Gonorrhoea and Chlamydia can cause PID (Pelvic Inflammatory Disease), which can be very dangerous. PID is not only extremely painful, but it could also kill her. If the infection itself doesn't kill her, PID can leave her with internal scarring which could lead to either a) infertility, meaning she may never have children, or b) ectopic pregnancies, which if not caught in time could kill her. If the woman was pregnant when infected, or gets pregnant before she finds out she has it, the effects of gonorrhoea can be devastating for the baby.

Men often consider Gonorrhoea a "minor" infection. And a lot of the time for MEN...it is. But as you can see, the effects are not so minor for the women that an infected man sleeps with. For their PARTNER'S sake, men should always take Gonorrhoea and Chlamydia very seriously. Please assure your friend that an STI that can cause the DEATH of one of his female partners, is definitely not something to be "toyed with".

Thanks for the info, RN. I'm trying to convince a "friend" that her actions, no matter what she does, can be harmful and she needs to checked out and treated. She's sure that some practices are considerably less harmful to engage in than others. That may be true but why not just get the treatment and move on. She's convinced that if she doesn't have "sex" (I don't always know what people mean when they use that term...) she won't pass it on and can still apply her trade without fear of infecting others. That's reason for the transmission questions. If anyne else can provide some additional insight, I'd appreciate it.

Too many unfeeling assholes out there caring more for their own pleasure and safety, not giving a damn about the service girls' wellbeing.

There are those who will say that men don't have to care, but I for one do. If we aren't atleast showing them a basic form of human sympathy and kindness, we could put them all out of action. We don't want that now do we?

STDs (from someone who's been there, bought the T-shirt)

My impression - and my personal experience - is that you mainly get these things through intercourse.

1) Gonorrhoea has a quick onset (1 or 2 days). Acute symptoms, easy to (self)-diagnose, whitish discharge, burning sensation when pissing. If caught in South-East Asia, the strain may be resistant to most drugs, so cefixime is the oral drug to take (400 mg once, twice at the most).

2) Chlamydia has a delayed onset (days, typically one week). Classical treatment is with tetracycline (e.g. Vibramycine) and should last at least 10 days. Symptoms are subdued. No discharge, only itching or slight pain when pissing.

Problem: gonorrhoea is can be transmitted together with chlamydia but Cefixime and tetracyclines should not be taken simultaneously because they reduce one another's effectiveness.

Solution (for short stays): treat gonorrhoea immediately you think you've got it, as under 1 above. On last day of stay(day of the last fuck), swallow 400mg cefixime even if there are no symptoms. This closes the gonorrhoea account, so to speak. When home, wait for two days for the cefixime to get washed out, then go 10 days on tetracycline to take care of any Chlamydia.

This leaves out syphilis, which I haven't experienced yet, thank heavens for that. From what I've gathered, the tetracycline may do more harm than good here because it can mask the dermatological tell-tale signs of syphilis, yet might not be sufficient to eradicate it. What can be done is to get oneself tested for syphilis whenever one does an aids test.

Herpes? This one is supposed to be ubiquitous. Indeed, I was diagnosed with herpes antibodies in my blood years ago, so I had at least one fuck with a herpes carrier in my life. Never had any symptom, though. Probably highly variable from person to person.

Buddybingo,

I'm sorry...I presumed your "friend" was a man. Is she a working girl, or are you talking about some other sort of trade where fluids may be transmitted?

If she is a working girl, I have to admit that the risks of her infecting someone else if she's not doing sex, are extremely slim. Condoms are excellent protection against gonorrhoea.
(I should say though that lots of "massage only" girls rub their genitals against the man's genitals during a body-to-body massage, and that could prove almost as risky as intercourse).
If she has gonorrhoea, it would be pretty safe for her to give BJs and have sex using a condom (providing the condom doesn't break of course), BUT she could infect her clients with gonorrhoea of the throat if they go down on her. Likewise, if SHE had gonorrhoea of the throat, she could infect clients if she was giving them BBBJs. I'm not sure about risks associated with kissing, etc, in the case of gonorrhoea of the throat, but if the infection is "down below" there shouldn't be any real risk in activities that don't involve genitals touching. Massage, hand relief, and even the clients fingering her would be safe...although he should probably watch what he does with his fingers afterwards!

Still, like I said in my last post, gonorrhoea and chlamydia can be very, very dangerous for women. She needs to realise that if she has it, she simply MUST get treatment for her own sake. It's as simple as a ten day course of antibiotics. And here's something else for her to think about...

Most married men do not tell their wives that they are visiting sex workers, so wives have no reason to ever have an STI test done. What that means is that if a working girl gives gonorrhoea or chlamydia to a client, he could give it to his wife and she probably won't find out she has it until it's too late. By that time the damage may already be done. I don't know about your "friend", but *I* certainly wouldn't want to be responsible for doing that to another woman. (Oh...and don't forget all the other WORKING GIRLS that client may infect as well!!) For anyone...working girl or not...to know that they have an infection and do nothing about it, is extremely irresponsible and in my opinion, outright selfish.

Breast Kissing Risks???

New subject for forum?

I love to do this as a prelude, but...
1. Is anything generally transferable from the nipple?
2. If someone else did same before, how long do salivary germs stay active on a *dry* surface like the nipple and breast?

I have heard of HIV being present in mothers milk and you can get milk from non-nursing women, but usually only a little. I would think this is almost a 100% safe activity provided you are not injesting milk and even then would be 99.999 safe. Go for it.

Now a body-to-body massage sounds exciting right about now.

;-)

I have a question for anybody that has real knowledge and not just amateur hour bullshit so this goes to the true health professionals, no offense evryone else, OK?
I am a practicing male **** and love every minute of it, especially since I sufferred a massive heart attack last year and my cardiologist gives me even odds of making it 2 years, probably less so I have to admit that I have become far less discriminating when it comes to strange pussy in terms of safe sex. Now I always have and always will wear a condom for the main event or anal, but I don't like raincoats during BJ's so I almost always get BBBJ's. In fact, if the girl won't provide it, I take a pass on her.
I also love 69 and ferociously eat pussy unprotected as well.
Furthermore, I like to finger and sometimes even lick girls assholes as part of the whole session. I have even engaged in gangbangs with several guys doing one girl consenually.
Never said I was a nice man, just an old ****, I admit.
Now my wife of 25 years and I have been having a pretty bad rough patch over the last couple of years which hasn't exactly done much to slow my mongering down I can tell you, but on my side, I was absolutely faithful to her for 20 years. Yeah I know, you can't be a little bit pregnant, so sue me!
Anyway, a few weeks ago, she informs me that she went to her doctor because she was feeling run down. As part of the tests they ran on her, they tested her for STD's. ( Turns out she's anemic and they're treating it with iron, etc. ) Well, guess what?
She, very pissed off I might add, informs me that the tests showed she has HPV Human Papillary Virus ( or something close to that, I forget exactly what the P stands for ). Anyway, she tells me that it's a virus and once you got it, you got it, period. No cure. From what I gather it's sort of like warts.
Now of course her question for me, and she looks me dead in the eye and tells me Don't Lie! where did she get it? Right, like I'm going to deviate from my normal self and tell the truth? No F'ing way! Now, she told me that the doctor asked if her partner, me, had ever had an STD. Well, she knew that years ago when I was 19, I had gonnorhea so I reminded her of that and even mentioned that I had it twice that year. The doctor did say that it was possible for it to have lingered in my system and manifest itself years later. Naturally, I jumped on that and mentioned that perhaps my heart attack weakened state or somehow with all the needles and people puncturing me had somehow infected me. She bought it well enough to get me off the hook, for now. I mean, let's be honest here, I sat there and it occurred to me that there was no real value in 'fessing up at this point because if I did, I was a dead man, possibly literally and at least figuratively with a strong liklihood of a kick my ass outa the house and divorce pronto happening which, despite my prediliction for pussy, I don't want so I lied...again!
So, my question is...can anybody shed light on my situation? Did I in all liklihood infect her? How? Can it be treated or cured? Is it likely to damage her further? Etc etc. I really will appreciate sold information.
Now if I did infect her then it should serve as a warning to all my good mongering friends and allies out there that there is a real risk and sometimes you get the bear and sometimes it gets you.

Ok, as a "professional", let me say this.

There can be NO way of knowing where she caught it from until you get tested. If you test as clean, either you didn't give it to her, or you are just the luckiest fuck alive.

Your best bet is to march right on down arm in arm with your wife, and get yourself tested, and tested again later if it doesn't show positive. Either you infected her, or she could have infected you. Test yourself.

Professionalism aside, chances are good that she knows or atleast suspects you've been doing something, although she might just be throwing suspicion in all directions trying to find out how she got it.

By lying to her now, you risk it coming down even harder later on, especially if some "health professionals" back you into a corner and press you for details of exactly how many people you've slept with.

Coming clean with her will ease her confusion, help her to get on with things, and will let her know that atleast sometimes you can be honest with her.

If you can't tell her the truth, don't bother standing by her, she needs honest and supportive people right now.

Chris,
Thanks for this response. Can you tell me anything about HPV in detail?
Let me say this to you...I have little doubt that I probably gave it to her. I am going to my doctor to be tested tomorrow. Be that as it may, there is no way to prove one way or another who gave it to who and from what I understand, since there is no cure per se, then fessing up would serve no purpose as I see it. I am a lying sack of shit and always have been in business and other areas. I haven't had to ie about faithfulness or lack thereof until very recently. I really don't want my marriage to end and I am 100% certain that it would should I confess to her my hoby activities. She already gets all the property and assets in the event we divorce so money is not a motive for not wanting to tell her. I just see no point in telling her the truth when it won't change anything and will only heap more misery on top, but I do understand and even appreciate your viewpoint. 20/20 hindsight, there's lots of things I would do differently in my life, but it's too late now.
Frankly, I have no intention of telling her I am being tested nor the outcome be it positive or negative unless it shows some other disease and then I would tell her I had been tested and wanted her to know about the other disease.

Trashman -

I have no significant experience with HPV, so cannot tell you anything about it that you couldn't read yourself elsewhere.

I'm glad you're getting tested, but honesty really is best. The choice ultimately is up to you, but I find it best to be honest.

Positive results, I trust, had better make you rethink your safe sex practices in all areas. Condoms will become your best friend, and will keep the girls happier too.