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[QUOTE=Ilink; 1265093]I would like some members views on following:I like the way some refer to visiting FKK clubs a a hobby but I am wondering is it really or am I a sex addict. I spend about $10k visiting German FKK clubs (includes flights accommodation etc). I also have another dilemma as two of my children are not doing well economically and I feel that instead of helping the Germany economy or to be more correct the Romanian economy I should be helping them financially.

I have took some on line tests which I an on the borders of such a category. However I am dubious at their method to determine addiction. For example have you ever carried an activity related to sex which is illegal. The answer to such a question would be yes in many countries but no if you lived in Germany. This makes me think are these tests devised by right wing religious fanatics. Also I wonder I am abnormal to be attracted to beautiful young girls as I believe that 75% of normal males if they had resources and freedom would behave as I do. Are males like Tiger Woods and DSK normal. At this stage I am trying to decide should help my offspring and hire a psycho analyst (at maybe another $10k per year) or continue supporting Romanian economy.[/QUOTE]If you spent $10k on FKKs and your total income during that time period was $20k, then you're definitely an addict. If it was $200k, then it's a quite manageable hobby. As for whether it's better to help out your adult children, it's basically a question of what would give you more satisfaction ("psychic income") , and it's something only you can decide, knowing their specific situation and your relationship with them.

I wouldn't bother with online tests, I think they're totally worthless.

[QUOTE=Ilink;1265093]I would like some members views on following:I like the way some refer to visiting FKK clubs a a hobby but I am wondering is it really or am I a sex addict. I spend about $10k visiting German FKK clubs (includes flights accommodation etc). I also have another dilemma as two of my children are not doing well economically and I feel that instead of helping the Germany economy or to be more correct the Romanian economy I should be helping them financially.[/QUOTE]Do both. $3k for each kid, give them $250 bucks a month to help them through tough times. That will help them pay the rent and keep their heads above water without giving them too much at once to blow. That leaves you with $4k for a trip to Germany. If your paying for a ticket, that's a grand to the airline ceo of your choice and $3k to spend as you will at the clubs. Your not going to take it with ya, sooner or later those two kids of your will throw your ass in a nursing home and the state will take what's left of your money.

Now if both your kids are boys, the other option is to take them both to Germany with you. Buying them a hooker shows how much you love them.

[QUOTE=Ilink; 1265093]I would like some members views on following:I like the way some refer to visiting FKK clubs a a hobby but I am wondering is it really or am I a sex addict. I spend about $10k visiting German FKK clubs (includes flights accommodation etc). I also have another dilemma as two of my children are not doing well economically and I feel that instead of helping the Germany economy or to be more correct the Romanian economy I should be helping them financially.

I have took some on line tests which I an on the borders of such a category. However I am dubious at their method to determine addiction. For example have you ever carried an activity related to sex which is illegal. The answer to such a question would be yes in many countries but no if you lived in Germany. This makes me think are these tests devised by right wing religious fanatics. Also I wonder I am abnormal to be attracted to beautiful young girls as I believe that 75% of normal males if they had resources and freedom would behave as I do. Are males like Tiger Woods and DSK normal. At this stage I am trying to decide should help my offspring and hire a psycho analyst (at maybe another $10k per year) or continue supporting Romanian economy.[/QUOTE]Personally I have a hard time with behavioural addiction, as opposed to substance addictions. Behavioural addictions (sex, gambling, internet) can have quite a hold on your life. I am not saying that they can not be strong and also destructive. But really, if one wants to stop, one stops. The brain does produce chemicals that are measurable when you do the activity, and you will feel some amount of psychological withdrawal, but it is nothing like trying to kick a heroin habit, or nicotine for that matter.

Psychology, and thus psychologists, though love to add disorders and addictions to the list of thing that they can treat and from which they will try to cure you. Indeed I have even known people who I was certain were "addicted" to seeing psychologists. Were you to enroll yourself in therapy for this no doubt the shrink would find intimacy issues, mother issues, get you to confess a secret fear of "adult" women and a whole list of other reasons for your behaviour. What I would tend to say to you though is-maybe you just like young pussy and have decided to pursue it is a fairly responsible manner and pay for it.

That'll be €150 please. ;)

It sounds to me as if you are reasonable aware of the financial cost of this pursuit and nothing is out of control in your spending. As the other poster said, much depends upon what percentage of your income you are spending and if it is impacting the rest of your life negatively. That you see you could also funnel some funds towards helping out the kids is admirable. As was suggested, maybe cut down a little and do a bit of both. But if you enjoy your activities I would carry on to some extent. After all, Romania's economy could depend on it.

AM

[quote=toscana;1265059]she may, or may not, have her hand on her dick. be strong.[/quote][quote=henio;1265060]damn tosc, what clubs have you now been visiting.[/quote]man, you're right. got to stop. told myself that the last time she started blowing herself. gross, i tell you. she couldn't get a peep out of it.

[QUOTE=Angus Magee; 1265708]Personally I have a hard time with behavioural addiction, as opposed to substance addictions. Behavioural addictions (sex, gambling, internet) can have quite a hold on your life. I am not saying that they can not be strong and also destructive. But really, if one wants to stop, one stops. The brain does produce chemicals that are measurable when you do the activity, and you will feel some amount of psychological withdrawal, but it is nothing like trying to kick a heroin habit, or nicotine for that matter.

Psychology, and thus psychologists, though love to add disorders and addictions to the list of thing that they can treat and from which they will try to cure you. Indeed I have even known people who I was certain were "addicted" to seeing psychologists. Were you to enroll yourself in therapy for this no doubt the shrink would find intimacy issues, mother issues, get you to confess a secret fear of "adult" women and a whole list of other reasons for your behaviour. What I would tend to say to you though is-maybe you just like young pussy and have decided to pursue it is a fairly responsible manner and pay for it.

AM[/QUOTE]I feel the same way. Sometimes I feel like people are just trying to shirk personal responsibility for their behavior (or other people are trying to help them shirk responsibility) with all of this sex addiction stuff, with Tiger Woods being a very high-profile example. He just wanted to bang a lot of women besides his wife is all, and he got caught doing what a lot of other men do actually. So, he has a "sex addiction" because he got caught. And all the other guys? They have evening appointments with the tutes of their choice LOL!

[QUOTE=The Cane;1265802]I feel the same way. Sometimes I feel like people are just trying to shirk personal responsibility for their behavior (or other people are trying to help them shirk responsibility) with all of this sex addiction stuff, with Tiger Woods being a very high-profile example. He just wanted to bang a lot of women besides his wife is all, and he got caught doing what a lot of other men do actually. So, he has a "sex addiction" because he got caught. And all the other guys? They have evening appointments with the tutes of their choice LOL![/QUOTE]I believe every ISG members are more more or less addicted to sex, just think about how much money are spend by people on ISG.

Some guys are banging 100+ girls a year.

The money can be spend on better causes like helping our family or supporting children in Africa.

But I guess our lust and selfishness are ranking higher.

Actually the ISG forum is also enhancing this lust, we keep reading about new sex adventures, new places and new girls so we want to try them out.

It's a never ending story. Sex addiction yes!

Maybe Tiger Woods is a ISG member? Do you think they will let him in at GT.

[QUOTE=Nille Copenhagen; 1265910]I believe every ISG members are more more or less addicted to sex.

Actually the ISG forum is also enhancing this lust, we keep reading about new sex adventures, new places and new girls so we want to try them out.

It's a never ending story. Sex addiction yes![/QUOTE]I swear I am NOT a SEX ADDICT! I am just in a constant state of withdrawl.

And BTW: the sad but ironic fact is: if Tiger Woods ever did show up at the GT Eingang with 60E in his hand, they probably would let him in immediately, and treat him as an honoured guest!

O

[QUOTE=Ortos;1266088]If Tiger Woods ever did show up at the GT Eingang with 60E in his hand, they probably would let him in immediately, and treat him as an honoured guest![/QUOTE]But the point is, he cannot! Or at least risks a high price. As he knows now. I am not famous, and thank God for that.

I remember one report here on ISG a few years back about when a famous German soccer player obviously took his foreign team mates (I am clearly not mentioning any names here) into an FKK club for a great night out, and immediately got his name splashed all over the board. Writer simply did not think that these guys also have a right to privacy. From ISG it is a very short step to Bild Zeitung and all the attendant publicity which can ruin a life.

If I lived in Germany and had the means to visit the big FKK clubs on a weekly basis would it loose the magic and would it become boring? 1) it would not loose the magic 2) it would never become boring 3) however it is not a practicable setup for me in life right now. Who knows what the future holds. LOL

[QUOTE=Nille Copenhagen; 1265910]Some guys are banging 100+ girls a year.

The money can be spend on better causes like helping our family or supporting children in Africa.[/QUOTE]I am a sad case. I can go for weeks without a bang if in my home country (sad) , and fail miserably to meet the 100+ standard due to too many repeats of the same girl, even the odd girlfriend fuck. I do admit to being a sex addict, at least part time. I am debating self at the moment, but will end up deciding to go to Oase, simply because haven't been there for a few weeks.

We can look at our donations as helping some of these girls retire from the life sooner. Some of my regular girls have retired already, e. G. Bee (Palace). She is doing well in a new country and new language.

Perhaps we would be helping world hunger better if we went mongering to Africa, Cambodia, etc. I am doing my bit with a regular help for a poor but honest ex-pro in a poor country where she is only semi-legal immigrant, and I don't even fuck her any more. She is like an adopted daughter now, as I have no real kids of my own. I keep telling her to find a good boyfriend, but she is incredibly suspicious of men.

[QUOTE=Nille Copenhagen; 1265910]I believe every ISG members are more more or less addicted to sex, just think about how much money are spend by people on ISG.

Some guys are banging 100+ girls a year.

The money can be spend on better causes like helping our family or supporting children in Africa.

But I guess our lust and selfishness are ranking higher.

Actually the ISG forum is also enhancing this lust, we keep reading about new sex adventures, new places and new girls so we want to try them out.

It's a never ending story. Sex addiction yes!

Maybe Tiger Woods is a ISG member? Do you think they will let him in at GT.[/QUOTE]To have an addiction is to engage in some repeated behavior that has adverse consequences. The "adverse consequences" aspect of it is essential in order for the behavior to qualify as an addiction. So in my view, as long as your bills are paid and your investments are made (meaning that you can really afford to do what you are doing) , and as long as there are no other potential adverse outcomes in your life (a ruined marriage, arrests for soliciting tutes where it is illegal, etc.) , then there is no addiction. I'm just saying that I don't think that mongering in and of itself should automatically qualify as an addiction. If there are no real potential adverse consequences as a result of the behavior, then by definition there is no addiction.

I suppose that all of us are exposed to some type of "risk" I guess that could lead to an outcome we don't want. But little in life is completely risk-free I don't think. And sure, the money could be spent elsewhere, but the same can be said for other things that we buy for our personal satisfaction and pleasure. You can drive a Hyundai instead of a Lexus. You can rent a room instead of take out a mortgage on a big house with nice furnishings. And you can eat a steady diet of Ramen noodles rather than have steak and caviar. The savings could then be used to help somebody less fortunate than you are.

The point is that we make all kinds of decisions about how to spend our money, and the fact that we choose to spend some if it on fucking women doesn't make us any more or less selfish than somebody who decides to buy himself an expensive BMW and a closet full of nice business suits and ties, as opposed to donating that money to charity. That's how I see it anyway. Why just pick on us mongers? Oh, because it's immoral. Well, that's another discussion for another time. And hopefully not here!

[QUOTE=Nille Copenhagen; 1265910]I believe every ISG members are more more or less addicted to sex, just think about how much money are spend by people on ISG.

Some guys are banging 100+ girls a year.

The money can be spend on better causes like helping our family or supporting children in Africa.

But I guess our lust and selfishness are ranking higher.[/QUOTE]I'm not sure I can agree with this statement. I am not saying that there aren't any sex addicts on the board, but I don't think most of us would fall into that category.

I think sex / procreation is a driving factor for humans, and therefore very prevalent in our thoughts. I don't think that makes us addicts. I think there are a lot of people out there ready to exploit that fact to make us feel guilty (and therefore pay) , and I think there are people who use sex addiction as an excuse if they get caught in a betrayal of trust.

As far as the money goes; I find that often money spent on a session is much less than it would cost to just take a girl out on a date; so I don't really see it as wasting excess money. I am sure we can all look at our spending habits in all areas of our lives (not just at the clubs) and consider whether this money could be better spent; either helping our families, supporting children in Africa, or a number of worthwhile causes.

I'd say you have an addiction if you are spending more than you can afford on sex. I.E., you can't pay rent this month; therefore you have a problem. Other than that, I think some people just choose visits to an FKK as their form of recreation vs the cost of a membership to a golf course this season or maybe a new convertible.

[QUOTE=Oralover; 1266389]I'm not sure I can agree with this statement. I am not saying that there aren't any sex addicts on the board, but I don't think most of us would fall into that category.

I think sex / procreation is a driving factor for humans, and therefore very prevalent in our thoughts. I don't think that makes us addicts. I think there are a lot of people out there ready to exploit that fact to make us feel guilty (and therefore pay) , and I think there are people who use sex addiction as an excuse if they get caught in a betrayal of trust.

As far as the money goes; I find that often money spent on a session is much less than it would cost to just take a girl out on a date; so I don't really see it as wasting excess money. I am sure we can all look at our spending habits in all areas of our lives (not just at the clubs) and consider whether this money could be better spent; either helping our families, supporting children in Africa, or a number of worthwhile causes.

I'd say you have an addiction if you are spending more than you can afford on sex. I. E, you can't pay rent this month; therefore you have a problem. Other than that, I think some people just choose visits to an FKK as their form of recreation vs the cost of a membership to a golf course this season or maybe a new convertible.[/QUOTE]Everything is relative.

Is smoking an addiction, normally you are not spending more money on smoking than you can afford.

The idea of take a girl on a date is to get free sex afterwards it's an investment, most of the time she won't fuck on the first date.

Luckily many of us are not living near a FKK / PT club.

Believe me I've talked to Dutch and German guys who admitted they are addicted, they came in the club a few times a week. And they were cutting

Down other daily expenses to have enough money to visit the girls.

How many of us are trying to save a few euro by using public transport til and from the clubs or not buying breakfast or dinner. And then spend more on tipping the girls, it's a personal choice of cause.

[QUOTE=Free Dude;1267204]I agree with Angus. In general I feel quite a number of posts on this board (FKK) go against the 'pay6 internet forum' rules, that seem selfevident on many of the bigger, local boards. Maybe this has to do with the lack of 'active' moderation, but on other boards I never read any names of FKK girls that offer AO or people mentioning real names. Many girls tell me their real name, without me looking for it, but I would never post it online. If I would, in most places it would be delated by the end of the day if not hour (the same goes for outing other forum members).[/QUOTE]You made a good and very valid point, more in general but especially for this board.

Private info of the girls (real names, place of birth, where they live, education, family status etc.) should not be allowed. The relevance of this info is also zero, not to mention the possibility of identification. Same is true for AO in "normal" sauna-Fkk clubs. Yes it may happen although in my opinion it is absolutely not done, but this info should not be published on a board.

Clearly identification depends also on the info. When I write that a girl working in Artemis lives in Berlin one could argue no big beal, a Romanian girl from Bucharest OK (they all say they are form Bucharest although often they are from small villages) , but if I write that a girl working in GT lives in the small Village X. 10 km's from GT and drives a Golf Cabrio identification is relatively easy.

B30

[QUOTE=Nille Copenhagen; 1266537]Everything is relative.

Is smoking an addiction, normally you are not spending more money on smoking than you can afford.

The idea of take a girl on a date is to get free sex afterwards it's an investment, most of the time she won't fuck on the first date.

Luckily many of us are not living near a FKK / PT club.

Believe me I've talked to Dutch and German guys who admitted they are addicted, they came in the club a few times a week. And they were cutting

Down other daily expenses to have enough money to visit the girls.

How many of us are trying to save a few euro by using public transport til and from the clubs or not buying breakfast or dinner. And then spend more on tipping the girls, it's a personal choice of cause.[/QUOTE]Nille, I do admit that I fall into the category of a sex-addict. I think a lot of other ISG members do as well, you just can't admit it to yourself! Why do I think I'm addicted?

Well, what amuses me when I read a lot of comments and reports is that many of you are discussing how they can walk from ie. Friedrichsdorf station towards Oase, or the most economical way of transport / accomodation. There must be something seriously wrong when people are discussing how to avoid paying 10 E for a cab, when their expenses at a FKK exceeds this amount multiplied with 50 or more! Please don't get me wrong, I don't pay for a 5 star hotel when I'm very content with the Ibis next to Palace, but that's simply just because I know I'm not going to spend a lot of my time at the hotel.

Signs of me being an addict:

- After every trip I've made to FKK / nightclubs / brothels, I just can't be happy with myself if I don't have a new trip to look forward to.

- I don't like to go clubbing in my hometown, unless with a business supplier (that pays the bill) , because I would end up paying so much more on "normal" girls and without being sure if I get laid or not!

- I get a bit depressed when I get back from a trip to a FKK, not because the experience was bad, but that I know I have to wait a long time before next trip (one month at least LOL).

- I try to make my business travels to go where I know there's some sort of FKK / brothels.

- Most importantly I get this feeling that going to FKK / brothels is some sort of a drug habit for me. I just can't get enough!

Let me stress the fact that I have a sufficient salary that permit me to pay for these "excursions", the bills etc. I also pay a high pourcentage (20%) of my salary to my ex-wife and kids. So there's no real danger of me paying for something I can't afford, but I often think that the money spent on this hobby could have amounted to quite a considerable amount of savings. But then again, I think that I could be dead in an accident tomorrow so why not enjoy life while you can?