Stupid Shit in Kyiv

Churchill's fight them on the beaches speech.

[QUOTE=Golfinho;2738330]Just to address one of your unending idiocies: Great Britain was hardly the USA's closest ally in the world. Roosevelt was determined to break the British Empire's economic hegemony. It was a major postwar aim of his policy. And in fact it came to pass as a consequence of the War, where now Britain is the USA's poodle, a satellite that thinks it's a sovereign ally.[/QUOTE]Churchill's famous speech ends thus: we shall never surrender, and even if, which I do not for a moment believe, this Island or a large part of it were subjugated and starving, then our Empire beyond the seas, armed and guarded by the British Fleet, would carry on the struggle, until, in God's good time, the New World, with all its power and might, steps forth to the rescue and the liberation of the old.

Churchill had, of course, been paid for his art in the 1930's and was given a dodgy Nobel Lit prize afterwards. But he was prepared to see his "island nation" destroyed so that the New World, as this alcoholic calls it, would prevail. The EU leaders, like Gorbachev selling his pizzas, are doing the same.

The Americans, flotsam of the world that they are, also engineered the collapse of French Indo China and grabbed a ton of Pacific Islands. I really hope Europe collapses this winter so that the Europeans might turn, like rabid dogs, on those American cross breeds who are responsible.

[QUOTE=Golfinho;2738330]Just to address one of your unending idiocies: Great Britain was hardly the USA's closest ally in the world. Roosevelt was determined to break the British Empire's economic hegemony. [b]It was a major postwar aim of his policy[/b]. [/QUOTE]Aha. I'm sure it would've been if Roosevelt survived the war. But, hey, don't let little things like a dead president interfere with your mission.

[QUOTE=Golfinho;2738330]Just to address one of your unending idiocies: Great Britain was hardly the USA's closest ally in the world. Roosevelt was determined to break the British Empire's economic hegemony. It was a major postwar aim of his policy. And in fact it came to pass as a consequence of the War, where now Britain is the USA's poodle, a satellite that thinks it's a sovereign ally.[/QUOTE]You could also have mentioned the USA's efforts to destroy French Indo China, having first enslaved the peoples of Guam and Saipan, thousands of whom suicided to stop the USMC gang raping them. Americans belong in zoos, somewhere between the crocodile and snake pens.

Article on Gorbachev, including all the things he said that aren't reported in the western press, because they too closely echo Putin's complants:

[URL]https://www.currentaffairs.org/2022/09/ignoring-gorbachevs-warnings/[/URL]

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2738243]And Kozerog, we get your anti-Americanism loud and clear, but you are going to be waiting a very long time to see our demise, and doubtfully will even live that long. And certainly aren't going to see it in this Russian invasion of Ukraine debacle / mega-embarrassment. Nonetheless keep waving those pom poms. Lolol.

Slava Ukraini.[/QUOTE]You have bad reading skills (stupid, in other words) if you think I'm anti-American. Most of my wealth is connected with the USA, I'm a USA passport holder, last thing I want is demise of the USA. Though demise is extremely unlikely, because USA is an impregnable fortress. But it could be pushed back into that fortress. That is, pushed out of Asia, thanks to fools like yourself. Regardless of what the Russians and Chinese think of one another, they are moving full speed ahead at strengthening ties. Truly incredible that USA has managed to bring about the one thing (alliance of those nuclear powers, plus all of central Asia, Iran and North Korea) that could actually threaten USA world power. Seizing defeat from the jaws of victory.

Parallels with ancient Athens are clear. Arrogant refusal to acknowledge desire for power by other states (demand for Corinth, etc to be subordinates rather than equal partners), reckless foreign wars (Syracuse expedition), demagogic politicians and their foolish supporters (like Paulie97 and other fools in this forum). Unlike ancient Athens, USA is an impregnable fortress, as already noted, so it can't be conquered. But it can be toppled from its current exalted position, and that's exactly the direction it is heading.

As for Ukraine, the country has been ruined by USA interference.

[QUOTE=Kozerog;2741496]As for Ukraine, the country has been ruined by USA interference.[/QUOTE]Things are going swimmingly for the USA terror state as Western Europe is imploding, which was the point of the entire exercise. Plus it is now infested with unwanted Ukrainians. There is going to be a very violent reaction. I feel law and order will break down and lots of foreigners will become fair game. Though I am fine, I can see the pressure building and the clashes of objectives over resources, the main one being all the handouts being given to Ukrainian and other parasites, both foreign like them and domestic as well.

Once the EU stops printing money, the game is up. Fasten your seatbelts for a bumpy ride or some such. Let's hope and pray the gloves come off. Nobody wants this but nobody can avoid it.

[QUOTE=Kozerog;2741496]Truly incredible that USA has managed to bring about the one thing (alliance of those nuclear powers, plus all of central Asia, Iran and North Korea) that could actually threaten USA world power.
As for Ukraine, the country has been ruined by USA interference.[/QUOTE]Not ruined so much as bought and sold. The news has gotten out how Cargill, DuPont, Monsanto and the rest of them have acquired huge holdings of Ukraine's black soil farmland, amongst the world's most fertile, the very land recently having come under Russian control. Ukraine must counterattack to secure the US chemical agro industry's property rights.

[QUOTE=Kozerog;2741475]Article on Gorbachev, including all the things he said that aren't reported in the western press, because they too closely echo Putin's complants:

[URL]https://www.currentaffairs.org/2022/09/ignoring-gorbachevs-warnings/[/URL][/QUOTE]Here is a 2014 interview: BBC HARDtalk. Mikhail Gorbachev. President of the Soviet Union 1990-1991 (10/11/14).

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHL9lNxKQbg[/URL]

Here is what we face: Senator Richard H. Black. The US and NATO don't care how many Ukrainians die -.

Russia Ukraine War: "We don't care! The United States and NATO, we do not care how many Ukrainians die. Not civilians, not women, not children, not soldiers. We do not care. It's become a great football game. You know, we've got our team. They've got their team, rah rah. We want to get the biggest score and run it up. And, you know, we don't care how many how many of our players get crippled on the playing field, as long as we win. ".

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXOWZnRCc20[/URL]

[QUOTE=Questner;2741692]Here is a 2014 interview: BBC HARDtalk. Mikhail Gorbachev. President of the Soviet Union 1990-1991 (10/11/14).

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHL9lNxKQbg[/URL]

Here is what we face: Senator Richard H. Black. The US and NATO don't care how many Ukrainians die -.

Russia Ukraine War: "We don't care! The United States and NATO, we do not care how many Ukrainians die. Not civilians, not women, not children, not soldiers. We do not care. It's become a great football game. You know, we've got our team. They've got their team, rah rah. We want to get the biggest score and run it up. And, you know, we don't care how many how many of our players get crippled on the playing field, as long as we win. ".

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXOWZnRCc20[/URL][/QUOTE]Exactly, either way Ukraine loses. They are being played.

[QUOTE=Kozerog;2741496]You have bad reading skills (stupid, in other words) if you think I'm anti-American. Most of my wealth is connected with the USA, I'm a USA passport holder, last thing I want is demise of the USA. Though demise is extremely unlikely, because USA is an impregnable fortress. But it could be pushed back into that fortress. That is, pushed out of Asia, thanks to fools like yourself. Regardless of what the Russians and Chinese think of one another, they are moving full speed ahead at strengthening ties. Truly incredible that USA has managed to bring about the one thing (alliance of those nuclear powers, plus all of central Asia, Iran and North Korea) that could actually threaten USA world power. Seizing defeat from the jaws of victory.

Parallels with ancient Athens are clear. Arrogant refusal to acknowledge desire for power by other states (demand for Corinth, etc to be subordinates rather than equal partners), reckless foreign wars (Syracuse expedition), demagogic politicians and their foolish supporters (like Paulie97 and other fools in this forum). Unlike ancient Athens, USA is an impregnable fortress, as already noted, so it can't be conquered. But it can be toppled from its current exalted position, and that's exactly the direction it is heading. [/QUOTE]First of all I couldn't care less about your angry prognostications. Stop reading all the anti-American propaganda you constantly plant your nose in, and viola, anger goes away. If nothing else it will support your cardiac health. You likely agreed with your guy Max Blumenthal when he said on 2/26 that the Ukrainian army was "vanquished. " LOL.

There's an old truism, in that "the strongest points in a debate are not found in the ones that are addressed, but in the ones that are ignored. " You were rebutted repeatedly on many fronts by both myself and Xpartan recently, and it's all been ignored other than to restate your premise regarding China, blame the US for Ukraine, and to once again claim to be an American. I invite the readers to scroll back and view all the rebuttals directed at you that were completely ignored.

As to any wealth, all mongers are "wealthy. " Just ask them. LOL Your typical wealthy person is smart enough to forgo using Max Blumenthal, a regular on Russian state news, as a source to buttress what you want to prove. And wealthy people also aren't looking for bargains on pussy in countries that are down on their luck. You keep trying to impress but are anything but impressive.

As to China, any "alignment" with Russia is show. That's what I meant by "lip service. " China will never in a million years treat Russia, a country with an economy about the size of the state of Texas, as an equal. China is about the money, and push come to shove relations with us will trump any sentiments toward Russia. And once again, nukes are very unlikely to be used as anyone sending them to the West is getting them back in spades. Russia will not use them in Ukraine as that would mean losing the few countries they have left that pay any attention to them. The war likely will end in negotiations once Russia is put in more of a negotiating mood. They have suffered plenty and more is to come. So your analysis is as usual all over the place, while extremely repetitive as you refuse to interact with the points others are making in response.

[QUOTE=Kozerog;2741496]As for Ukraine, the country has been ruined by USA interference.[/QUOTE]This has been rebutted at least 100 times, by myself and many others. I'm not doing it all over again because you choose to make this false assertion again. Assertions prove nothing, "saying it's so doesn't make it so. ".

[URL]https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Argument_by_assertion[/URL]

The sum of it is that Ukraine like much of Eastern Europe takes an interest in democracy. Russia is trying to rebuild empire. Ukraine doesn't want to be conquered even if you think that's what's best for them, so we are responding to their requests for weapons. You are biased and agenda driven when you make it all about the US. Eastern Europe enjoys democracy and they have agency in these matters. That includes Ukraine and their agency in fighting back against Russia's genocidal, criminal invasion. This ALL of course has already been hammered out and presented in detail, by myself, Xpartan, Jmsuttr, and others. We also, unlike you, have provided a number of legit, well sourced academic articles. Anyone interested can scroll back in the thread and read.

All that said I'm not seeing any new ground covered here so I'm finished going in circles with you, Pedro, Elvis, or any other Russophile spinning a one sided tale here. I'm the only one left to any degree, I think, so you and those like minded as yourself are free to validate one another and talk about how right you are. LOL Cheers.

[QUOTE=Golfinho;2741623]Not ruined so much as bought and sold. The news has gotten out how Cargill, DuPont, Monsanto and the rest of them have acquired huge holdings of Ukraine's black soil farmland, amongst the world's most fertile, the very land recently having come under Russian control. Ukraine must counterattack to secure the US chemical agro industry's property rights.[/QUOTE]The news has gotten out to you and to people like you. Most people only care about bread and circuses. NBA, baseball, ice hockey, football etc. Women only care about boob and lip jobs.

[QUOTE=PedroMorales;2741795]The news has gotten out to you and to people like you. Most people only care about bread and circuses. NBA, baseball, ice hockey, football etc. Women only care about boob and lip jobs.[/QUOTE]As shares in these agro companies are assuredly held by Blackrock et. Al. , most American people (if they have any assets) are invested in 'Ukraine's Victory', whether they realize it or not.

[QUOTE=Kozerog;2741496]You have bad reading skills (stupid, in other words) if you think I'm anti-American. Most of my wealth is connected with the USA, I'm a USA passport holder. . .[/QUOTE]Huh? Being a passport holder would mean you're an American citizen. Why wouldn't you just say that?

Do you hate America so much that you can't even say it aloud: "I'm an American citizen"?

Or are you simply lying again?

[QUOTE=Questner;2741692]Here is a 2014 interview: BBC HARDtalk. Mikhail Gorbachev. President of the Soviet Union 1990-1991 (10/11/14).

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHL9lNxKQbg[/URL]

Here is what we face: Senator Richard H. Black. The US and NATO don't care how many Ukrainians die -.

Russia Ukraine War: "We don't care! The United States and NATO, we do not care how many Ukrainians die. Not civilians, not women, not children, not soldiers. We do not care. It's become a great football game. You know, we've got our team. They've got their team, rah rah. We want to get the biggest score and run it up. And, you know, we don't care how many how many of our players get crippled on the playing field, as long as we win. ".[/QUOTE]Ah, Col. Black again.

First of all, he is (was) a State Senator of Virginia.

Second of all, if you can't find a quote from someone who's not the most infamous apologist of Syrian butcher Bashar Assad and Russian butcher Vladimir Putin -- please go away with your ignorant trolling.

[URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dick_Black_[/URL](politician).

[URL]https://archive.thinkprogress.org/dick-black-assad-the-gop-official-at-the-heart-of-one-of-trumps-favorite-conspiracies-announces-retirement-d3b415ddc642[/URL]

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2741782]China is about the money, and push come to shove relations with us will trump any sentiments toward Russia.[/QUOTE]Oh yes, 100%! The Chinese are just using Russia like an icebreaker to test the West's resolve. Not even mentioning they have no sentiments toward Russia. They haven't forgotten how in 19th century Count Muravyev annexed 1 million square kilometers of Chinese territory under false pretenses. That dude, by the way is still considered a hero in Russia, and why wouldn't he be?

In just a few days, AFU have de-occupied dozens of settlements and liberated over 1,500 square miles in Kharkov Oblast and Donbass during their incredible counterattack. Two crucial transportation and military hubs Izum and Kupyansk have also fallen to AFU who're now closing in on Lisichansk and Severodonetsk. Some accounts claim AFU have entered the Donetsk Airport that was a scene of bloody battles in 2014.

The glorious Russian armed forces of rapists and marauders are "regrouping" ROFL.

Hey shills, here goes your meal ticket.

What does "Petulant Immorales" have to say now?

[URL]https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-62860774.amp[/URL]