[QUOTE=Mouse1;1143805]What's the difference? How do you think freelancers get to the discos except by walking the streets? :)[/QUOTE]I guess I should have said streetstanders.
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[QUOTE=Mouse1;1143805]What's the difference? How do you think freelancers get to the discos except by walking the streets? :)[/QUOTE]I guess I should have said streetstanders.
[QUOTE=Evianist;1143808]I guess I should have said streetstanders.[/QUOTE]But seriously, do you think that the car park girls are any less attractive than those in the BeerGarden, say? I would probably say they are a bit younger, but isn't it just the same set of girls moving from place to place as the evening moves on?
[QUOTE=Goyave;1143765]So, please, stop using this derogative term. If a clear deal is made with the provider beforehand (that means, agreeing on price and services to be provided), one might overpay, but never underpay. So, there are not many real "cheapos", but sure, overpayers are legion! That's why, despite what some ISG members say, that P4P in Bangkok is getting more and more expensive over the years, especially in the tourist-oriented places.[/QUOTE]Apologies about the poor choice of word. I wanted to stir the pot a little, not offend anyone.
Bangkok can be as expensive or as Cheap as you want it to be.
CHEAP OPTION: stay in a moderate hotel, use Streetwalkers and freelancers (500 1, 000 ST) or Chinatown ( 300 ST)
MODERATE OPTION: Stay in Moderate Hotel, use BG7, Small Beer Bars (1, 000 ST)
REGULAR OPTION: Stay in a 2, 500 thb hotel, use Nana or Cowboy or Any Oily or soapy (min 1, 500 ST + barfine or massage fee)
EXPENSIVE OPTION: Stay in a 4 star, use Nana or Cowboy, buy drinks, go to model class soapies.
VERY EXPENSIVE OPTION: Go to a G club, and spend 10, 000 thb, go home alone.
[QUOTE=Chill Out;1143530]Syzig, I don't think Evianist was talking about price but about being able to say no to a girl with a bad attitude. Which, let's face it, is easier to do when you have 50 other girls eager to go with you a few steps away. There is some 'pleasure' or satisfaction involved in that. In real life you might put up with it (for a while at least) , in a gogo bar you don't have to. You have many options. It's part of the fun.[/QUOTE]Chill out,
I don't disagree with you that a girl with a bad attitude should not be chosen. My argument was about expecting to pay more for top quality.
I have been known to misunderstand badly, so I went back to read Evian again. Quoting him:
<Evianist wrote>
[i]Being comfortable and confident with oneself to the point where you're capable of saying no when the offer isn't all that great, no matter how attractive the woman is, is where the pleasure comes in.
If a very beautiful woman approaches you with the implication being "I have no interest in you as a person. I want you to overpay for me to give you a disinterested starfish performance. And I want you to like it." and you're capable of smiling and saying "No thank you." then you're in a good place mentally. [/i]
<end of quote>
Clearly (I think) the offer is not good means she wants too much money. He then assumes she will be a starfish but this is estimation based on her style. Her implied "bad attitude" clearly commenced with a high price asked for up front or very early on.
Look some of these girls are pretty good at summing up the customer. Very few girls even discuss the price with me. Maybe only 10%. They have an instinct that I will not be stingy or difficult in any way from my style and attitude. They can probably assess that some guys are likely to be on the stingy side, and its worth checking money deal early on, to avoid the girl wasting a lot of her time.
I can see that girls who are looking for extreme prices would be forced to discuss it. E appeared to be looking for rock bottom prices from all girls regardless of quality. Some guy's extreme price is not so extreme to me. I have no problem going 50% above standard rates for extra quality. If the girl is really ordinary at a basic price, I would probably not be interested. Any guy can get plenty of sex here, but to me quality is more important than the lowest price.
Many of these girls are looking for a good time but have not lost sight of trying to make good money as well.
[QUOTE=Syzygies; 1143836]I don't disagree with you that a girl with a bad attitude should not be chosen. My argument was about expecting to pay more for top quality.
I have been known to misunderstand badly, so I went back to read Evian again. [/quote]
You're misunderstanding very badly and turning it into the same boring price argument. Not really worth discussing it.
[quote]They have an instinct that I will not be stingy or difficult in any way from my style and attitude.[/quote]Style and attitude? What, do you wear silk shirts and gold chains and carry a monocle? Do you wink at the girls and do finger guns?
I'd love to hear an elaboration on this.
Ok, cheers for all the prompt advice. Seems Thailand is expensive, will be looking at Phil / Cambodia. Wouldn't mind stay in BKK for a few days.
As you say budget mongering would be : ST=1500-2000B. + Hotel Honey (1000B a night).
I'm not into SW. I haven't been in S Asia so don't know the scene. More like semi-pros in other part of the world. My impression is that its more dangerous in Thailand as the girls fuck 100s of guys. I heard that all the girls in Go-go bars are checked once a week for HIV / AIDS. Is this true? (I assume its the same for Phil / Cambodia gogo bars too) I prefer to stay on the safe side when over there and avoid SWs or clubs.
[QUOTE=Droplet;1143885]Ok, cheers for all the prompt advice. Seems Thailand is expensive, will be looking at Phil / Cambodia. Wouldn't mind stay in BKK for a few days.
As you say budget mongering would be : ST=1500-2000B. + Hotel Honey (1000B a night).
I'm not into SW. I haven't been in S Asia so don't know the scene. More like semi-pros in other part of the world. My impression is that its more dangerous in Thailand as the girls fuck 100s of guys. I heard that all the girls in Go-go bars are checked once a week for HIV / AIDS. Is this true? (I assume its the same for Phil / Cambodia gogo bars too) I prefer to stay on the safe side when over there and avoid SWs or clubs.[/QUOTE]
The situation in the tourist-oriented P4P venues of Bangkok is not representative of what it is in Thailand as a whole. Actually, if you are a newbie in the Land of Smiles, and want to have more fucks for your bucks, you should consider spending (most of) your money in Pattaya instead of Bangkok. While Bangkok has more high-end venues, the average quality in most bars is similar in Pattaya, but for approximately half the Bangkok prices.
Thailand is not dangerous for people who have a minimum of common sense.
About the providers' health checks, you should not put too much trust in them (anywhere). Just protect YOURSELF and use condoms PROPERLY, and then, you should be safe.
Hey Rockefeller, whats your point?
Now I'm really not one to go back more than a page or 2 if I'm traveling or are too lazy to log on but in your post just a little over 3 hours earlier (too recent for even me to miss) you were a big spender "looking and acting" rich and "not worrying about ever dollar" but a 900BHT barfine makes you cringe? That's roughly 9 bucks more at today's rate! Dude, I don't care at all what you do with your money (unlike many others here) or how much you do or do not spend but make up your friggin mind!
[QUOTE=Der Tourist; 1143768]Barfine 900 in Baccarra? Ouch! .
Just to clarify, if you take a girl early (when exactly is that?) you pay 900? That is a little expensive if you ask me. Especially since I AM early and try to make it between 8 and 9 so that I can see the hotties even if I like to spend a while looking and choosing before deciding. [/QUOTE][/QUOTE]I beg my pardon from those who will disagree but it much depends on [i]whose[/i] Report you're reading. There are two main kinds of mongers: those who count their money while looking for girls and those who aren't. I'm one who isn't (even though I am very far from being rich or even prosperous person even if I look and act like one while in Thailand). That much depends on your attitude and world-view. It depends on whether you want to get something here and now at any cost without worrying about every dollar you spend or whether you can go for a cheaper alternative and feel just as good while always staying within budget. It is up to you and not anyone else. So there is no "right" answer. [/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Droplet;1143885]I heard that all the girls in Go-go bars are checked once a week for HIV / AIDS. Is this true?[/QUOTE]We have a Thread for this already, you should try reading it as there is a lot of info about STDs in Thailand
[QUOTE=Der Tourist; 1143768]Barfine 900 in Baccarra? Ouch! .
Just to clarify, if you take a girl early (when exactly is that?) you pay 900? That is a little expensive if you ask me. Especially since I AM early and try to make it between 8 and 9 so that I can see the hotties even if I like to spend a while looking and choosing before deciding. [/QUOTE]They usually discourage the best girls from leaving the bar early to attract punters during happy hour.
But, if 900 thb barfine scares you, then stay far away from soi 33 bars.
I have never paid a BF in BKK. Why?
There are plenty of FL's, SW's, MP girls who will give you great service for 2 hours for 1000.
900 BF. That is crazy.
But, let me guess. The bars test the girls. Sure they do.
[QUOTE=The Pro; 1143751]BKK is no longer cheap, in fact its become the most expensive of all South East Asian countries and one of the most expensive Asian countries.
When you consider short time in Hong Kong (via 141) or Singapore with the many China girls is cheaper than you get in BKK for similar quality you know Thailand has become expensive.
Yeah, if you way over pay.
Show me one example of a 141 or Sing. Girl who will go for 2 hours ST for the standard ST rate in BKK of about $30 US.
[QUOTE=Luvpuss;1143954]Show me one example of a 141 or Sing. Girl who will go for 2 hours ST for the standard ST rate in BKK of about $30 US.[/QUOTE]$30 = 900 thb. That's low.
[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;1143966]$30 = 900 thb. That's low.[/QUOTE]Ok. The rate changed some since the last time I checked. It is now $33 or 1000 B.
I have never paid more than 1000 B ST in BKK. Never.
HK and Singapore is much higher than that.
[QUOTE=Luvpuss;1143994]... I have never paid more than 1000 B ST in BKK. Never...[/QUOTE]
Of course, it is still possible to pay 1000 bath ST (and even less than that) in Bangkok, for instance with freelancers. But on average, the quality (beauty) of the providers is much lower than it used to be several years ago. It's now a known fact among the local girls that many foreigners are willing to pay quite expensive (by Thai standards) fees for below average and even very low quality.
I have not recently visited Hong Kong and Singapore. Maybe P4P is actually more expensive on average there, but if the quality of providers is much better for your bucks, then, you might have to pay eventually more in Bangkok (again, on average) to get similar quality.
Yes, some stunners can be had even in Bangkok for 1000 baht ST, but it requires much more efforts and time than in the past (as more and more not very attractive girls are on the tourist-oriented P4P market), and that's one of the reasons why many newbies, plus the misinformed and lazy punters, are paying much more than that (again, on average) nowadays.