Pattaya Reports

[QUOTE=Opebo; 1476261]How long have you been coming to Pattaya? I find that it is incredibly rare that I find what I want there (at any price). I think this is because my Pattaya tastes were formed many years ago when it was a better place.

Why it's changed so much for the worse I'm not sure. Is it that Thailand is so much richer (it certainly is) , or that there are a lot more big-spending tourists (perhaps there are, but the depression makes that dubious). Finally I think it may be because the drug addicts who used to provide such excellent service are now in jail.[/QUOTE]Your last sentence made my day. Can't wait to hear your explanation of that one.

[QUOTE=Amex Spg; 1476227]1) The same girl (whether GG, BG, FL, Soi 6.) may go with:

- me: LT B 1, 500.

- John Doe: LT B 4, 000.

- Mr. Enternational: LT B 1, 000.

- young / handsome / fun / lucky guy: free.

It just depends on the dynamics / negotiations between the girl and the customer.[/QUOTE]Amex's observations are spot on. If a girl likes you and is comfortable with you; if she has fun with you and likes to be with you, she'll go for less than she expects from ordinary customers. Even an old geezer like me can score. I have, for example, a regular who is a show girl that dances nude at one of the Pattaya go-go's. She calls me every week asking to come to my condo to service me ST for 500 baht, and the service is top notch. She just likes me; likes to pet my dog and we have fun together while she's here.

All the girls at the disco's know Mr. E. And know he doesn't put up with ridiculous high prices or bullshit, so he knows how to get them to go with him at low prices. If they don't he just moves on to the next one. He knows where to find them.

As for Amex Spg, I've met this guy. He's young. He's handsome. He's fun. He walks into a bar and the girls are all over him. So I'm surprised he pays 1, 500 for LT. He should be getting it for free.

[QUOTE=Sir Lancelot;1476267]Jakarta is terrible as a tourist destination but I found it wasn't as polluted as other Asian cities and is easy to get around thanks to the bus-lanes. I also think it's one of the most under-rated sex-scenes in Asia. The Blok M bars have lots of freelancers, there are great hotel venues like Hotel Classic and Hotel Travel which stock lots of pretty girls (Classic is one of my top five venues in Asia while the latter specialises in threesomes) , there are soapy massage parlours, Stadium nightclub with on-site rooms and Dateinasia is alive and well too. My favourite area though is Pen J, near Kota train station where there is a kind of fishbowl set-up in about half a dozen bars. Jakarta is exceptionally cheap compared to other pay-for-play destinations and it seems the further south in Asia you go, the more voluptuous the women. On the down-side, the girlfriend experience is harder to find. I'd recommend Jakarta to any fan of Pattaya. If you visited you could also visit the Dolly brothels in Surubaya or go on a treasure hunt at the X-houses in Sanur.[/QUOTE]Could this solid piece of info be inserted into the Indonesia forum? It will get lost under Pattaya.

[QUOTE=Sir Lancelot; 1476267]Jakarta is terrible as a tourist destination.

I also think it's one of the most under-rated sex-scenes in Asia.[/QUOTE]You are absolutely right on both counts. There are three reasons to go to Jakarta: (1) on business, (2) you're making a connection through the airport and (3) you want to sample the great sex-scene. Shhhh! Don't spoil a good thing by telling anyone.

[QUOTE=Opebo; 1476261]How long have you been coming to Pattaya? I find that it is incredibly rare that I find what I want there (at any price). I think this is because my Pattaya tastes were formed many years ago when it was a better place.

Why it's changed so much for the worse I'm not sure. Is it that Thailand is so much richer (it certainly is) , or that there are a lot more big-spending tourists (perhaps there are, but the depression makes that dubious). Finally I think it may be because the drug addicts who used to provide such excellent service are now in jail.[/QUOTE]Opebo, my friend, you are the perennial pessimist.

Yes, Pattaya is changing rapidly and in many ways not for the better, but you can still get quality girls here for reasonable costs if you have the time and know where to look. There are just as many or more very pretty girls here now as before.

Most of the freelancers on BR are asking the same amount as 6 years ago: 500 ST. 1,000 LT, and you can still occasionally find a cute drug addict who will go for 300 baht. Watch out though as they are likely to have criminal tendencies.

As far as I know, beer bar girls are also asking the same prices as long ago, the bar fines are the same too, but now as then one has to look long and hard to find a pretty beer bar girl. 99% of them are average to below average in looks. I don't hunt at beer bars.

The part that has really changed for the worse is the Go-go bar scene where bar fines have increased and the girl's asking prices have doubled across the board. In 2006 ST with a go-go stunner was 1000 baht; LT 2000 baht. The price has doubled just within the last 2 years and some of the stunners are asking a lot more. Go-go girls are just not worth it anymore unless you pick them up at the late night disco's.

I guess chemistry is chemistry anywhere. Even in a place like Thailand where money number one, there is still the human element.

I love Being in Thailand. When I am there I have more fun in weeks then I have in the USA in months.

I am in my fifties and I have hot women all over me. A lot of them ask for less because they just want to be with me.

Some people would say I need to act my age. I say I am acting my age. I'm in my 20's again and youth is not wasted .

Living the dream.

Tellall

[/quote]believe the legal age for being on a bar is 20 there, working or not. if they are **** they will still say they are 20.[/quote]

i thought that the magic age was 20 as well for the bars but i am in pattaya now and in several of the go go's when i have asked the girls ages i have been told "me 18!"

this includes some of the nude dancers as well!

also one of the go go's had a meeter / greeter with beautiful big tits who told me she was only seventeen!

so, be careful.

sorry guys, before you ask no, i will not tell you which go go's they were.

enjoy,

i am.

hotman

Good to know. Thanks, DaddyO. I hope it stays like this in 2015 when I am there.

[QUOTE=Daddy07; 1476348]Opebo, my friend, you are the perennial pessimist.

Yes, Pattaya is changing rapidly and in many ways not for the better, but you can still get quality girls here for reasonable costs if you have the time and know where to look. There are just as many or more very pretty girls here now as before.

Most of the freelancers on BR are asking the same amount as 6 years ago: 500 ST. 1,000 LT, and you can still occasionally find a cute drug addict who will go for 300 baht. Watch out though as they are likely to have criminal tendencies.

As far as I know, beer bar girls are also asking the same prices as long ago, the bar fines are the same too, but now as then one has to look long and hard to find a pretty beer bar girl. 99% of them are average to below average in looks. I don't hunt at beer bars.

The part that has really changed for the worse is the Go-go bar scene where bar fines have increased and the girl's asking prices have doubled across the board. In 2006 ST with a go-go stunner was 1000 baht; LT 2000 baht. The price has doubled just within the last 2 years and some of the stunners are asking a lot more. Go-go girls are just not worth it anymore unless you pick them up at the late night disco's.[/QUOTE]

This thing about girls asking different prices for different customers make me upset, it's like the carpenter would take care of you're house for 1000$ but charge 2000$ if some other guy were the house owner.

I don't go to prostitutes to feel less attractive compaired to one other guy, then I could just go to the nightclub back home.

What is wrong with these prostitutes in Thailand, they're not a bunch of college girls going to the nightclub for fun and to only sleep with prince charming, they're prostitutes sleeping with customers as their profession to be able to support their families and themselves.

[QUOTE=Daddy07; 1476348]Opebo, my friend, you are the perennial pessimist.

Yes, Pattaya is changing rapidly and in many ways not for the better, but you can still get quality girls here for reasonable costs if you have the time and know where to look. There are just as many or more very pretty girls here now as before. Most of the freelancers on BR are asking the same amount as 6 years ago: 500 ST. 1,000 LT, and you can still occasionally find a cute drug addict who will go for 300 baht. Watch out though as they are likely to have criminal tendencies.

As far as I know, beer bar girls are also asking the same prices as long ago, the bar fines are the same too, but now as then one has to look long and hard to find a pretty beer bar girl. 99% of them are average to below average in looks. I don't hunt at beer bars.

The part that has really changed for the worse is the Go-go bar scene where bar fines have increased and the girl's asking prices have doubled across the board. In 2006 ST with a go-go stunner was 1000 baht; LT 2000 baht. The price has doubled just within the last 2 years and some of the stunners are asking a lot more. Go-go girls are just not worth it anymore unless you pick them up at the late night disco's.[/QUOTE]I guess you have a point here even if I'm allergic to overpayers.

But after all, how will one explain the gogo girls asking twice as much today compared to a couple of years ago if it ain't because of the overpayers?

[QUOTE=BlygdTuktaren; 1476572]T.

But after all, how will one explain the gogo girls asking twice as much today compared to a couple of years ago if it ain't because of the overpayers?[/QUOTE]Economics 101. When demand is low, raise prices to maintain income stream. Simple init. This incidentally applies not just to WGs but many products in Thailand.

There is a corollary. At the end of the month accept lower prices to earn enough to pay the rent.

[QUOTE=BlygdTuktaren; 1476572]This thing about girls asking different prices for different customers make me upset, it's like the carpenter would take care of you're house for 1000$ but charge 2000$ if some other guy were the house owner.

I don't go to prostitutes to feel less attractive compaired to one other guy, then I could just go to the nightclub back home.

What is wrong with these prostitutes in Thailand, they're not a bunch of college girls going to the nightclub for fun and to only sleep with prince charming, they're prostitutes sleeping with customers as their profession to be able to support their families and themselves.

I guess you have a point here even if I'm allergic to overpayers.

But after all, how will one explain the gogo girls asking twice as much today compared to a couple of years ago if it ain't because of the overpayers?[/QUOTE]Well it is not like the government set fixed pricings for hookers. Unlike a carpenter there will allways be a human element in play dealing with I. E a freelancegirl. Ofcourse girls will react upon behaviour, looks, age, treatment, politliness, bargingskills etc etc so where you have to pay 3000 I can get away with 1500 (just an example). Other factors are time in day and demand. A carpenter does not give a shit mostly in your looks but here maby your bargingskills will also make prices vary a bit.

And to the Go Go girls I guess they are not to blame about the prices beeing quoted inside the Go Go here you have to adress the owners / management.

If you can not play (pay) the game stop playing

[QUOTE=Opebo;1476261]How long have you been coming to Pattaya? I find that it is incredibly rare that I find what I want there (at any price). I think this is because my Pattaya tastes were formed many years ago when it was a better place.[/QUOTE]1) I first came to Patts in 2007. If you can't find what you're looking for in Patts at any price, you could just adjust your tastes accordingly or move on to greener pastures: Philippines, Indonesia, South America, Europe, etc. I suspect Cambodia P4P (pay for play) now is what Thailand P4P was about 20 years ago so that's an option.

2) In part due to selective memories, the John Does complain that LOS (Land of Smiles) has gone downhill, that things were better 10 / whatever years ago, but everything changes including those John Does who have gotten old (er) (and I'm guessing pickier / crankier) in that time. For the bad that's happened to Patts, I can think of the good.

Pattaya 2007: Superbaby / Supergirl GGs (aGoGos) BF B 600 + ST 2k / LT 3k (Both those GGs charge every customer a standard ST / LT price).

- Bad / missing things in 2007: There was no iBar / Insomnia, no Secrets Bar / guesthouse, no Baccara / Gentlemen's Club / other excellent GGs, no Drinking Street, no Action Street, no Tourist Police (volunteers helping farangs and they serve as translators with the Thai police) , no Central Festival mall, LK Metro area only had 2 GGs (Champagne & Oasis) and so on.

Pattaya 2013: Superbaby / Supergirl GGs BF B 700 + ST 2k / LT 3k. (Prices haven't changed much).

- Improvements / good things now available in 2013: LK Metro is a mini-WS (new GGs: Queen, Lady Love, Showgirls, Paradise, Bachelors, Crystal, Submarine, Kiss, The Office, Funhouse, etc) , Soi 6 now has Night wish / Pussy Club / 3 Angels / Sky bars, new WS GGs: Sugarbaby / Sensations / Fahrenheit / Lighthouse / Glasshouse / Ginza / Mandarin / Pepe / Alcatraz / etc, new discos: Lima Lima / Flexx / Mixx / Halo.

3) Sure, the WGs (working girls) have also changed from 2007 to 2013, in both good & bad ways. I choose to focus on the good. Years from now if I don't like what Patts / the Thai WGs have become, I'll just move on to Cambodia or someplace else.

In the last 3 years of coming to Pattaya I have exclusively used Mr T Taxi, based in LK Metro area. But I'm kind of done with the [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url]-poor attitude I keep getting from them of late, and I'm looking of a new email-friendly Taxi service for Airport pickups / dropoffs, as well as my occasional day limo service to places outside of town. If anyone has a recommendation for a comparable Taxi service (using email) please PM me, or feel free to post here for the benefit of other members.

Thanks in advance,

- Gunga

[QUOTE=Gunga Din; 1476622]In the last 3 years of coming to Pattaya I have exclusively used Mr T Taxi, based in LK Metro area. But I'm kind of done with the [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url]-poor attitude I keep getting from them of late, and I'm looking of a new email-friendly Taxi service for Airport pickups / dropoffs, as well as my occasional day limo service to places outside of town. If anyone has a recommendation for a comparable Taxi service (using email) please PM me, or feel free to post here for the benefit of other members.

Thanks in advance,

- Gunga[/QUOTE]These guys are very reliable:

[url]http://www.pattayataxi.info/[/url]

[QUOTE=BlygdTuktaren; 1476572]This thing about girls asking different prices for different customers make me upset, it's like the carpenter would take care of you're house for 1000$ but charge 2000$ if some other guy were the house owner.

I don't go to prostitutes to feel less attractive compaired to one other guy, then I could just go to the nightclub back home.

What is wrong with these prostitutes in Thailand, they're not a bunch of college girls going to the nightclub for fun and to only sleep with prince charming, they're prostitutes sleeping with customers as their profession to be able to support their families and themselves.[/QUOTE]What I have noticed is that the price disparity is in effect in countries that have a large freelance pool and is known for GFE. My definition of GFE is nothing sexual. It is that the girl will make you feel like she is your girlfriend. You have met her in a normal setting such as a disco or at the beach. You can take her to eat, go to the movies, and she is willing to spend time with you doing a bunch of normal shit. Not just, take her to the hotel, she sucked me without a condom, I came, and she was on her way. To me that is the hooker experience and has nothing to do with GFE. For the most part you are going to find these types in places such as Thailand, Philippines, Brazil, and Dominican Republic.

Now if I walked into Angel Witch or Devil's Den, then I know the price is carved in stone. So if I want to take a girl from there I will be paying a set bar fine and a set price for the girl that is across the board the same for everybody. But what I know is that many of those girls can be found other places when those establishments close. And that is when the price is more flexible. Now if you have your heart set on a certain girl then it is best to get her whenever you see her, because you do not know what girl is going where after work, unless you ask. And a lot of them will just go home instead of going to party afterwards.

Also, what you are not taking in to account is that freelancers can pick and choose who they want to go with. They are their own boss. Just like the carpenter can pick and choose what job he accepts. It is not all about money to these freelance GFE types. For they also want BFE. They want someone who they can see as their actual boyfriend. They are not the ones to go with the fat, smelly, drunk farang stereotype who is usually found in a beer bar and do whatever he says just because he is giving them money. They have their own mind, program, agenda, and many times they already have a wallet full of money and will buy drinks for you.

The other day my new 36F girl was telling me she went out. I asked her if she went to the hotel with anyone. She said no. I said why the fuck not? She said there was a guy who wanted to take her, but he was not her type. I told her fuck that. Your type is whoever is giving you money. From now on if someone wants you to go with them and they are giving you money then you go.

Just last week a buddy of mine was in town and a chick in the disco told him that she wanted to go with him LT, but did not want any money. He said that he ended up giving her 1000 baht anyway when she got on the elevator to leave. Another story that I have told before is about the girl who works in Alcatraz. She bar fined herself for 1000 baht. Then she went to the disco to drink with her friends. Then she came home with me LT for 1000 baht. It is not only about money with these type girls. Yes, at the end of the day they are still prostitutes because they go with men for money, but not in the traditional sense that you are expecting them to be.