German FKK Clubs - Lounge and chat area

The only reason I am posting is because a lot of folks (it appears) me included were tired to death of the pop psychology crowd completely dominating what used to be an interesting and lively chat area. If there are worthy topics to discuss then I'd prefer that. Like it used to be.

I don't want to be the new dominator of the thread. I am just (by request) filling the void. I will make the dissenters a deal that I won't post worldwide FRs and backgrounders on any day that a worthy FKK (or sex of any kind really) discussion is going on. So far today? Zip.

So what do folks want to hear about in next post: Berlin non-Artemis options? Globe? Aphrodisia (2 x Globe price. Gack! Goldentime Linz? Claudius Caesar Graz? London Incall Ro-Girls? Brazil several venues? USA?

I am here only to serve. Let me know.

Steve,

I have grown very fond of FKKs as compared to other places (Tijuana, Bogota, Rio / Brazil). I like the club atmosphere and the ability to pick a girl and have fun within minutes. It feels clean, safe and to be frank "easy". Also, for the most part the language barrier isn't an issue. I would say the girls in Sao Paulo are absolutely amazing in the sack and I love the ability to follow the GP's on Twitter. Getting to meet them though can be a challenge. I want to go back to Sao Paulo and Porto Allegro (for some reason this place is packed with them). What are your thoughts on FKKs vs. Brazil?

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2306122]Posting to Keep it Alive
The only reason I am posting is because a lot of folks (it appears) me included were tired to death of the pop psychology crowd completely dominating what used to be an interesting and lively chat area. If there are worthy topics to discuss then I'd prefer that. Like it used to be.

I don't want to be the new dominator of the thread. I am just (by request) filling the void. I will make the dissenters a deal that I won't post worldwide FRs and backgrounders on any day that a worthy FKK (or sex of any kind really) discussion is going on. So far today? Zip.

So what do folks want to hear about in next post: Berlin non-Artemis options? Globe? Aphrodisia (2 x Globe price. Gack! Goldentime Linz? Claudius Caesar Graz? London Incall Ro-Girls? Brazil several venues? USA?

I am here only to serve. Let me know.[/QUOTE]Isn't that a little funny and even ironic? Stating that we have to post off topic discussions to keep the thread "alive. " It seems that dead or artificially alive is preferred over authentic topics that touch sensitive nerves, my 2 cents of irony.

Steve,

Thank you so much for your detailed reports. I can't wait to read your reports on Globe and Aphrodisia. Keep on writing.

Logic would appear to mean that Steve's posts here are inappropriate. But once I take account of all the (for me) irrelevant discussions on psychology in recent times, I find Steve's off topic posts very relevant. Maybe on this one occasion it is reasonable to allow a bit of slack, as they are that rare thing, Field Reports, which are sadly lacking in the FKK threads.

I agree completely with the thoughts of Chongmai, but still welcome the Steve reports. So I am contradicting myself. As often happens. Maybe it is just that I can live with this off topic bonanza just this one time, and one time only, for a limited time, because of the recent character of the thread.

Glad to spread my confusion :)

[QUOTE=Chongmal;2306041]While there is some logic to what you say, I completely disagree. Under your theory there would be a single thread for all postings from all countries. This would be so difficult to find a post about any specific club or lady. Perhaps a few senior posters from the German threads should post about German clubs on the threads from other countries and see how we are received.[/QUOTE]I second that. The evopsych lectures were irrelevant but so are mongering reports about random countries. This thread is about German FKKs.

Thread discipline is paramount in any forum. Without it a forum goes to pieces. Thread discipline has often been lacking (or insufficiently enforced) on this forum alas. You see too much highjacking of threads. You also see members duplicating threads that already exist for want of first ascertaining whether a thread on the same topic didn't already exist. The whole forum then risks becoming a shambles.

[QUOTE=XXL;2306262]I second that. The evopsych lectures were irrelevant but so are mongering reports about random countries. This thread is about German FKKs.

Thread discipline is paramount in any forum. Without it a forum goes to pieces. Thread discipline has often been lacking (or insufficiently enforced) on this forum alas. You see too much highjacking of threads. You also see members duplicating threads that already exist for want of first ascertaining whether a thread on the same topic didn't already exist. The whole forum then risks becoming a shambles.[/QUOTE]So irrelevant begins again LOL, chongmal is often the source of such debates.

I would say, Mr Steve has no bad intentions, so reading about mongering related topic is always good thing for forum, the biggest problem of this forum is there are certain group of people, some are with multiple accounts with different handle names by one guy are always pointing fingers at other posters for small details, then all mood of forum goes to argumentative pointing finger at each other mood. It is almost they want to manipulate it that way.

I would say, if you don't like some posts, just ignore it and let it through instead of pointing finger at others who has no bad intention and I think Mr steve has no bad intention, and it is lounge and chat here, I have met some mongers in german FKK in real life and when we chat, we did speak about mongering in other nations too because it is related to mongering and comparison is important to know.

XXL. Cogently argued.

[QUOTE=XXL;2306262]I second that. The evopsych lectures were irrelevant but so are mongering reports about random countries. This thread is about German FKKs. Thread discipline is paramount in any forum. Without it a forum goes to pieces. Thread discipline has often been lacking (or insufficiently enforced) on this forum alas. You see too much highjacking of threads. You also see members duplicating threads that already exist for want of first ascertaining whether a thread on the same topic didn't already exist. The whole forum then risks becoming a shambles.[/QUOTE]In the final analysis, I must agree. But, I was just dying for anything and / or anybody to shut these guys down. Yes, thread discipline enforcement would help. A lot!

[QUOTE=DukesFord;2306159]What are your thoughts on FKKs vs. Brazil?[/QUOTE]This is an oft asked question. Germany has the FKKs while Rio de Janeiro has the termas. Same concept, but the German FKKs tend to be larger, even a smaller one like FKK Samya in Cologne. That said, I much prefer Brazil. I like the broader variety in the look of Brazilian women. Nobody fucks better than the "garotas" of Brazil either. And if you're an anal sex lover like I am, then no place tops Brazil! My last few trips to Germany were really good for knocking the bottom out of the booty holes, but Brazil remains number 1! Plus, I just like Brazilain culture, weather, language, food, etc. Better. So, I have it Brazil first, Germany second, and Thailand third. If I liked Asian girls more, then Thailand would be number 1. But for me, it's the Latinas and the white girls that do it, so Brazil has got to be first. Why, what with all the plentiful anal sex and all LOLOLOL! I always say that my dream scenario would be German-style FKKs, lined all along Thai beaches, and full of nothing but hot, curvy Brazilian girls taking it up the butt! Hahaha! My focus here was on Rio, but Sao Paulo is also good (but no termas).

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2306015]Thanks for the kind words all. I'll be bringing it closer to home with CH / AU up next.

Stay tuned for CH / AU.[/QUOTE]I am looking forward to reading your AU-report, as I go there in a few weeks. I will probably plan my route after reading your review. Thank you for sharing so many thoughts and tips!!

Adding to the Cane's wisdom, don't forget the Boate. Rio has termas like an FKK, but São Paulo is king of the boate. A boate is a nightclub full of working girls and with onsite rooms for paid enagagements. For a full day experience nothing beats the FKK but for a night out the boate is great fun.

Scandalo is probably the most luxe and expensive. Much nicer than any FKK I've been to. I mean like a super high end nightclub and bar and cafe — except the girls are all there for one thing. And it just seems more relaxed than the FKK — the girls are not in such a rush to go to the room and you don't feel like you are wasting their time. I literally drank and flirted with Karina for two hours before suggesting a room (me not her). I was just having such a blast and it was so natural that I just lost track of time. Same thing with Thifany at Fazendinha. Probably at least a half hour chatting and making out before I thought to ask quanta costa?

Just a really fun and flirty vibe. I love the boate and the FKK both, but for different types of experiences.

So just across the border, lies the oft discussed Club Globe and nearby the extraodinarily pricey Aphrodisia. Is globe worth 2 X German FKK prices? Is Aphrodisia worth 4 X? Wow. Only one way to answer these questions — go there. So I did!

The short answer is it depends on your budget. If 50€ is tough to part with and you have to carefully manage your FKK budget, then no. Neither is worth the multiple. Much more bang for your buck in Frankfurt.

If on the other hand you have a large girl budget, they are worth doing.

Starting with Globe — the girls are impressive. There isn't the variance you see in some clubs. They are all tight and in shape and pretty. And the service has less variation as well, as has been widely reported and was my experience as well. I was recently with three girls and they were all great or in the case of Kate, epic. I did find the fact that I literally had to chase down girls annoying. They could be more forward and approachable without being sharky.

Aphrodisia is a whole different beast. Tiny little bar. Free alcohol. No cover. (Yep and yep) And 30 hot Romanians all eating you alive with their eyes. It is worth the coin once or twice to experience it, but it's not somewhere you can repeatedly go to and feel good about the value. I'll post an FR on Aphrodisia since it's quite unique and most folks here unlikely to run across it. Globe of course has a strong forum and following.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2306532]So just across the border, lies the oft discussed Club Globe and nearby the extraodinarily pricey Aphrodisia. Is globe worth 2 X German FKK prices? Is Aphrodisia worth 4 X? Wow. Only one way to answer these questions go there. So I did!

The short answer is it depends on your budget. If 50 is tough to part with and you have to carefully manage your FKK budget, then no. Neither is worth the multiple. Much more bang for your buck in Frankfurt.

If on the other hand you have a large girl budget, they are worth doing.

Starting with Globe the girls are impressive. There isn't the variance you see in some clubs. They are all tight and in shape and pretty. And the service has less variation as well, as has been widely reported and was my experience as well. I was recently with three girls and they were all great or in the case of Kate, epic. I did find the fact that I literally had to chase down girls annoying. They could be more forward and approachable without being sharky..[/QUOTE]I only been to Globe once and that was on Sunday. LU was not as good as I thought, but it is my fault for going there with too much high expectation. And now that I look back, line up is collection of minimum good looking girls of German FKK and stunners of German FKK I guess on weekdays, but I went on Sunday, so I just mostly got good looking girls on line up. The service was as good as I was told without any negotiation and as for time, 30 min is 30 min in globe.

My conclusion is that, if you are 50 euro or 100 euro session guy in German FKK, mostly hanging around in Hessen area and Berlin area for FKK activity. Globe Zurich is good place to be after the law because it is very unlikely to get GFE service for just 50 euro per 30 min and girls often ask 100 euro for 30 min and even you extend time to one hour, so 100 euro session, many girls now ask for 150 euro or even 200 euro, often settle for 150 euro though. However, some girls are still hit and miss in German FKK even after upsell.

On the other hand, in globe it is 140 chf, so that is around 120 euro and you do get full service with passion on the side of girls, she will kiss you strongly, BBBJ, DATY, multiple position etc. , and that is for full 30 min, no cheap shot scum of time or service in globe. So price range is getting similar with very small difference for just about 20 euro between some German FKK clubs and Globe and in globe it is secured and guaranteed to be delivered without any annoying negotiation or cheap shot attempt to scum you, so one can go into room without any stress, which is like to fee in FKK with only small difference of about 20 euro per 30 min. Stay in Zurich is slightly more pricey and also if you add options and longer time, it can add up, but for certain use, globe is now similar price range as some German FKK clubs with upsell namely Artemis and Palace, so it is worth visit for 30 min mongers who want good service without annoying negotiation, then difference is session price is very small with great return, even for one hour it still is small difference in price like around 50 euro difference.

This was not the case before the new law or recent tendency of girls asking for more upsell in German FKK, but like any market, price tend to inflate as we advance into future. Only exception is nrw clubs, where price and service is as FKK was back in early 2010's. Why? I don't know, but beside oceans, I was never upsold session in any of nrw FKK, even at oceans upsell is mild enough comparison to Hessen and Berlin FKK club which is only Artemis.

Only downside of globe Zurich is that, it is hard club to stay long time with only outside area being roof top terrace that you need to take elevator to go up to, but comparison to palace, at least globe has area where you can feel fresh air and get away from enclosed main bar of FKK that is hard to stay whole day.

I would say for certain use, Globe Zurich is now in similar price range with secure guaranteed service delivery with no cheating of time that monger can feel stress free for extra about 20 euro per 30 min given that many German FKK girls ask for upsell price.

[NOPARSE]Salaam and Abra-Kadabra, Steve... the two best openers under samawat![/NOPARSE]

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2306525]Adding to the Cane's wisdom, don't forget the Boate. Rio has termas like an FKK, but So Paulo is king of the boate. A boate is a nightclub full of working girls and with onsite rooms for paid enagagements. For a full day experience nothing beats the FKK but for a night out the boate is great fun.
[/QUOTE]As the European scene comes under Romanian domination, the West comes down to Brazilians vs Romanians. Both countries have a monthly average wage of about US $650, so there is motivation for the women to work in something lucrative. But the similarities end there. For me the Brazilians win easily. The Romanians tend to organize in gangs, but what we want in a woman is individuality. We don't want soldiers. Also the Romanians, speaking English, have inherited Anglo-Saxon culture and the misandry that comes with it. To me the Brazilians seem more "normal" -- just an absence of baggage. The result is I find it easier to have conversations with Brazilians even though they don't speak English and the Romanians do.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2306532]
Starting with Globe the girls are impressive. There isn't the variance you see in some clubs. They are all tight and in shape and pretty. And the service has less variation as well, as has been widely reported and was my experience as well. I was recently with three girls and they were all great or in the case of Kate, epic. I did find the fact that I literally had to chase down girls annoying. They could be more forward and approachable without being sharky.
[/QUOTE]There was some discussion on the Globe thread about how attitudes have declined. I think it is still possible to get the "Globe standard" as long as you hunt or wait for the stars. Hint: this means avoiding girls in gangs and girls that can't have real conversations. No matter how new and shiny their bodies are. The trouble is, the real girls are booked in rooms all the time.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2306532]
Aphrodisia is a whole different beast. Tiny little bar. Free alcohol. No cover. (Yep and yep) And 30 hot Romanians all eating you alive with their eyes. It is worth the coin once or twice to experience it, but it's not somewhere you can repeatedly go to and feel good about the value. I'll post an FR on Aphrodisia since it's quite unique and most folks here unlikely to run across it. Globe of course has a strong forum and following.[/QUOTE]A reminder that some bad reports about Aphrodisia sessions have come out. Even an absence of DFK and BBBJ. You may be lucky and you may not. For me, not worth the risk at those sky-high prices.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2306525]
Scandalo is probably the most luxe and expensive. Much nicer than any FKK I've been to. I mean like a super high end nightclub and bar and cafe except the girls are all there for one thing. And it just seems more relaxed than the FKK the girls are not in such a rush to go to the room and you don't feel like you are wasting their time.
[/QUOTE]Scandallo is great. I just have a couple of issues. (1) The way they badger you for ID on entry. That is disrespectful of the customer's privacy. You don't have to give up your ID, but a lot of guys don't realize this. (2) The waiters encourage the girls to pester you for drinks. You are already paying to be there. When certain girls do this, it strikes a really artificial note and sometimes feels low-class, like a form of begging. Of course it's different if you are the one to offer a girl a drink. Anyway these are relatively minor issues, and I like Scandallo overall.