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[QUOTE=David032;2927703]Thanks for the response, I am different than most guys LOL cost isn't that big of a deal for me. I have all the cheaper options mapped out if I ever need them. I like the chase and also maybe the ability to do something in the VIP room that normally doesn't happen. From your wording the possiblity is there, but more than likely it would cost extra on top of the VIP room. I might give it a try sometime.

The reason I asked about contact information is because most places out right ban there girls from giving out contact information. So knowing if it's allowed tells me to ask if I decided. Either being blunt or being discreet about it. Don't worry harbor no illusions about getting contact info. I have the contact info for several soapland and deari girls and I know. I message them and see them outside of there service. So my purpose in getting contact info is to attempt to smash outside of the place itself. I am an old hand at this just never tried this because I never thought it could lead to more. But it sounds like there is an opportunity for more.[/QUOTE]So yes, VIP is an option for you. The reason I didn't go into more detail on my own experience is it super YMMV what happens, one girl does the exact same service another girl will let you do more. I don't want to recommend something as random as that when I think people are guaranteed a good time going with the normal base course, and it's frankly quite cheap for what you get in my opinion. Believe me, I used to try and date women who weren't anywhere the same league as these girls, not even close. Didn't get a kiss more often than not, not that I'd expect it. Why bother when you can pay to win and just expect it. It is incredibly cheap when you compare that.

I also don't want to spoil a good thing by suggesting to customers to try things they aren't allowed, giving girls who don't want it a hard time over it. They'll just ban foreigners if enough of us do that.

In Nagoya oppai pubs the VIP wasn't ridiculous like in Shinjuku, just a little more. But this was 20 years ago and the simping business model wasn't much a thing back then. Now it is everywhere. Pay just to impress a girl and hope for the best. Rather than say I got more mileage in VIP, what I did was identified the one girl that already gave me high mileage and would clearly give me more in a private VIP, and I took her. That works, and that's the only way I'd recommend. Don't take a girl you like to VIP expecting her to do more, she might not.

Exchanging contact is completely out in the open at Luxe and Housekibako. Completely shameless. I didn't see it in Lester but probably just because I couldn't see other customers where they seated me both times (it's random).

I understand the idea at a soapland, if I exchanged contact with such a girl it would be clear what it was for (or at least what I was trying). She is already having sex with you, so asking her sex elsewhere is cool. Converting a girl who gives light service into full sex is not the same thing. A girl might do that under the table but she probably doesn't.

Keep in mind the whole reason young cute girls gravitate to low mileage bars like girls bars is precisely because they don't want to or have to put out. Oppai pubs are right in the middle of these two extremes but since they are filled with young cute girls the chance is low. And as I pointed out since it is customary here to exchange info, that itself tells you enough. Keep in mind the whole business model attracts stalkers - unlike soapland where they already bang every guy any time any day. So I think it's a waste of time.

Anyways, exchanging info this is a change in trends where yes in the past many shops banned it. But now shops realize if it's going to happen anyways and they can't stop it, they should instead allow or encourage it but train the girls to weaponize it. I woudln't be surprised if a few shops shared credentials with the girls so they can bring in customers. Especially since girls quit all the time. In fact I'm sure a few shops do exactly that, even though most probably don't bother and have the girls do all the baiting. It's basic marketing.

I have been reading the thread, and it seems like there are not many who is like me, a person who is happy with a skilled handjob. It seems that in Shinjuku area, the stablishment "Lovely Hands" is going to satisfy me in that regard?

[QUOTE=Tommyh80;2928083]I have been reading the thread, and it seems like there are not many who is like me, a person who is happy with a skilled handjob. It seems that in Shinjuku area, the stablishment "Lovely Hands" is going to satisfy me in that regard?[/QUOTE]There are a lot of people like you. You have your choice of a legit Japanese establishment with Japanese girls, or take your chances with Chinese / other girls. I would always recommend the former, you get better service and the latter is usually not a legit establishment and I don't like taking that small chance. Chinese shops are often not labeled or underground (out of an apartment), probably for tax/visa reasons (it is legal to give handjobs for money in Japan, but Chinese shops are often not legal for other reasons)

I have several reasons for no longer getting handjobs that may help set realistic expectations. First, I was just curious and when seeing a Chinese girl I actually found attractive (not that often), I went with her after she approached me. Second, I prefer a cute young girl, no interest in older less attractive women. Only New Hot Point ever had cute young girls in my experience, and they're closed. Last, the best way to get a good handjob or blowjob from a young attractive girl is to just order FS from a young attractive girl in the first place. Preferably a repeat visit to someone you already know. I have my goto place in the US for that. That's why I only care about oppai pubs in Japan. So to set realistic expectations I would mention that not many handjob places have many young cute girls since NHP. But if anyone knows, let me know IMMEDIATELY. I will be first in line.

Never follow a black tout, way too many reports of scams and crimes not just that I've read but have heard of from others and even seen with my own eyes. They hang around specifically tourist-heavy areas and speak English towards foreigners. I suppose many of them must point out actual establishments but those range from non-Japanese to outright scams. But it appears they scam someone every day. So count yourself lucky if you used them and you were the others they actually helped. I just walk past them and ignore them, this is Japan they are smart not to do anything others can see. In the non-RLD districts black touts will direct you to legit foreigner establishments such as Roppongi clubs. That's fine, I'm talking about for example Kabukicho where I have heard they scam someone every day and have read official warnings from Japan and the US consulate about it.

You can see reviews for Lovely Hands online at multiple sites. I have not gone but I see those same sites have accurately reviewed New Hot Point, which I know is great, so no reason to doubt the info. Too bad NHP was closed in 2019 or I would be writing a full page guide on it right now because that is the only place that rivals the oppai pubs. They actually had only hot young girls give the handjobs or blowjobs. Most places have older or regular looking women. I suppose the problem with NHP is every customer was coming for Haruka who is a perfect 10, so when she and her friend retired they just had to close. That's why we can't have nice things with that business model, it is really hard to find a perfect 10 girl who is willing to handjob or blowjob every guy that walks in. What a champ.

If you'd like insight on Chinese massage girls, they call out 'massagu' to people walking by. Most will only give a massage at an actual establishment, a few will give a handjob often at an underground location - an apartment when I tried it. I've tried both. To be clear when a girl says she will give me a massage, she only gives me a massage. When she says she will give me a handjob, she gives me a handjob. Every girl did as promised. I'd say 90% or more girls calling out massagu only give massage. See my Nagoya post for how I know, I speak Chinese almost as well as Japanese.

See my posts in Nagoya for information on Chinese massage girls in Nagoya. I have recent posts too, but there is also a post from 20 years ago I forgot about! It brings a tear to my eye to see how I have moved on from handjobs by strangers to snacking on cute college girls 3 at a go.

Massage girls on the street exist in Yokohama and Tokyo too, in Tokyo I saw many in Roppongi but there's probably a better station I don't know about. Hope someone else can chime in and give a hand!

Attached are photos of Haruka and Lemon and Milk, blowjob/handjob girls from NHP. Girls in their 20s and beautiful. Yes, I really did get my dick sucked by these two girls and several others. In Haruka's case, many many times. It still blows my mind that I was able to all these years later, since I knew other clubs didn't have this (but were much cheaper). I also tried the handjob course as well as the flashlight course. NHP was not actually a handjob club, it was a strip club that offered handjobs. Likewise, in Osaka I went to Hadaka no Ousama which also had decently cute girls that gave blowjobs and let you finger them. That goes to my earlier thesis that you can get cute girls to suck your dick, but you don't go to a blowjob bar to get it (NHP is a strip club, Hadaka is a finger bang club).

I want to be really clear that I would not expect such cute girls if I walked into a handjob club in Japan. At a handjob club I expect an average looking woman, probably mid-30s based on reports of other shops. Please prove me wrong. Let me know immediately so I can go too.

So do not expect these girls below:

Hello fellow mongers,

What are the chances to get laid in Tokyo for free, with little or no Japanese? I am from Europe, looking in my 30, and decent looking. I have seen many interviews, and Japanese women seem all desperate to date foreigners. Does anyone of you have any free, no pay, experience in Tokyo / Osaka? I'll be there for at least a month.

Thanks.

[QUOTE=Incrociatore;2928143]Hello fellow mongers,

What are the chances to get laid in Tokyo for free, with little or no Japanese? I am from Europe, looking in my 30, and decent looking. I have seen many interviews, and Japanese women seem all desperate to date foreigners. Does anyone of you have any free, no pay, experience in Tokyo / Osaka? I'll be there for at least a month.

Thanks.[/QUOTE]Honestly an incredibly high chance I don't do it any more for two reason one I am old and fat now and two I have entanglements that make it difficult. You want to go to a HUB. It's a known hook up pick up spot. There are couple of other places but I am not familiar with them.

Any suggestions for the best ride sharing and translation apps?

[QUOTE=Incrociatore;2928143]Hello fellow mongers,

What are the chances to get laid in Tokyo for free, with little or no Japanese? I am from Europe, looking in my 30, and decent looking. I have seen many interviews, and Japanese women seem all desperate to date foreigners. Does anyone of you have any free, no pay, experience in Tokyo / Osaka? I'll be there for at least a month.

Thanks.[/QUOTE]This is too complicated to explain in one post. If you make the effort and take the time, you can do it. If you don't, then based on what you said you won't. In "30's and decent looking" combined with "no Japanese" means you have to make up for it in time and effort. Even a very charming and attractive European will need to at least try. Unless you are at the right place with the context of pickup being an option (ex. A club area), no women will even talk to you no matter how attractive you are. Whereas at the right place, even a more average looking guy has a chance but no woman is going to be clamoring for him. He has to demonstrate value.

I have very extensive experience dating Japanese women. It is a misconception that "Japanese women seem all desperate to date foreigners" that's total BS. 90% of Japanese women won't touch foreign men and will run. But 10% of Japanese women is 6 million people. But narrowing it down (exclude too young and old, those in secure relationships, etc.) and making the right approach at the right place is everything. It is everything. Find the right girl and focus on her, don't try to put a circle peg in a square hole. Even if a Japanese woman is interested in foreigners, she is probably not interested in you.

For the "just for fun" completely cold approach (walk up to a girl you like) I and my friends had the most success at Roppongi at night around or in the club areas. Friday and Saturday nights have the crowds. I do not want to set unrealistic expectations by talking about our experiences. You see, we made the effort. We made the best of what we had. We demonstrated value. In fact I knew what my friend liked and after chatting with many girls at a club I said to one girl she would like my friend (true). They ended up dating. You cannot force two people to be a match, they are either going to like each other and be each other's "type" or not. Even when you see a guy pick up a girl for fun, there is a mutual benefit that may be hard to see. One way or another that guy is her type or idea of fun.

That friend of mine actually brought along another friend that same night and introduced me. He was very conventionally handsome. However, he was very shy. He was nervous just talking about going to the club (first time). As a result, he got exactly nothing despite me trying several times to get him to talk to a girl I just met. Well, he did get something. The power of experience for next time where he might succeed. Anyways, you have to make the effort! He knew where he was at, he was still young, but he was afraid to talk to women like many of us were when younger. So there you have it, it is not one thing that does it but you have to offer something. I would not say it is easy.

Others might chime in on better ways to just bang for free. It happens all the time but is not easy like guys brag about. I suppose I was looking for girls to bang and also hang out with, so I cared a lot about things like personality and looks. So if your standards are loose there might be clubs that focus just on that. Or online, it works but it takes effort and has its own issues.

There is a difference between "just for fun" and "actually dating" Japanese women. Complete opposite approach. If you are sincere and actually looking for a real girlfriend, you could find them in your friend circle through work, school, hobby. Or go with friends to a club like the ones in Roppongi. At least one if not all of you should be decent at approaching women with the "cold approach" method. I have not tried the "club for sex" method because I don't think I'd meet a girl I'd like there. I don't think you would either. Otherwise there'd be a line out the door. It is a niche.

I have met women "just for sex" but it is not simple or easy. It takes work and practice. There was no formula or steps to follow for that to happen, I met the girl completely naturally. If you are in Japan a month that might never happen. The whole point of paying for play is it is consistent, if there was a reliable way to play for free nobody would pay for it.

Unfortunately most guys aren't sincere so I am reluctant to write a guide. I care about Japanese women believe it or not, they have done more for me than any Western women even knows how. If you are going "just for fun" don't pretend too hard otherwise or you will hurt a girl more. Best if the girl understands you are there for fun, maybe something more could happen, but you are just there "to meet people". Women are not going to bang for nothing unless you are extremely attractive / charming. In that case they are not banging for nothing, either.

The whole reason I go to oppai pubs and p4p is I do not like "dating women for fun" and hurting their feelings by playing with them. As I said, I am not some guy who tricks women into showing me a good time with nothing good enough in return. Me and my other riend have done that unintentionally with our ex girlfriends when young and we don't like it.

[QUOTE=Incrociatore;2928143]What are the chances to get laid in Tokyo for free, with little or no Japanese? [/QUOTE]I was going to take a guy an American guy around Japan cause at first he said he loved Japan culture. Then as I talked to him more turns out he had the same misconception you have that he will be able to bang Japanese girls for free because he's American. I rolled my eyes, said he can go ahead and try while I'm enjoying a nice dinner somewhere else. Imo being gaijin in Japan is a huge negative, not a positive.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2928219]Imo being gaijin in Japan is a huge negative, not a positive.[/QUOTE]I agree with this 100%. I had to try 10 x as hard as a Japanese guy to get a date with the same girl. So I did. Do not come on strong, that is repulsive. Trying hard means putting effort into yourself, your look, your behavior, your skills and assets. You have to have basic cultural sensitivity to succeed. Be a true gentleman if you want to thrive.

There is no point in even trying to date Japanese women unless you actually prefer them. I do, so that's why I'm willing to try 10 times as hard as most people. I learned Japanese mainly so I can date Japanese women. It's not worth it if you prefer other women.

90% of girls are not even going to consider you an option. Of the 10%, well since I am decent looking but not especially attractive, only 10% of them would even consider me. I can work with that 1%. I use my many other talents and assets. Since I genuinely like women, it is easy for me to have a conversation with many women without the context of expecting anything from them. That's what a gentleman does. I talk to grandmas, guys, anyone where the situation is appropriate. I do not approach grandmas or mothers but the situation comes up naturally. I'm not asking anything from them. If you behave with good manners it's a pleasure. I am confident, well dressed, and behave well so it does not raise alarms with women. Then when occasionally I talk with a woman of the right age who gives me the right signs, I decide if I like her or not and move from there. Be prepared to talk to hundreds of people, some of them women, this way. A person who does it differently than this is just doing nampa and will get what that gets. Go ahead but I don't recommend it and I won't help you.

Next step is to find the right venue where you maximize compatible women to meet so that you are allowed to naturally approach them, such as a club. Do not approach women who have no choice, such as the lady working at Starbucks. Don't be that guy, just do it the right way. As I said, I know a lot of guys aren't sincere so I am not going to give tips on nampa. I know it's going to happen but it's one reason Japanese women don't take foreigners seriously. That's why I suggest Roppongi because at least that's 50-50 GF / nampa where you might actually meet a girlfriend or someone who wants some fun (you are not going to find many girls who 100% want one or the other there). Just don't pretend to be something you're not and hurt someone. That's bad form no matter the country.

If you like Japanese girls there is a simplier way to get them than being a "gentleman" and having to learn the language.

Just go to Dubai: [URL]https://vip-dubai-bunnies.com/girls/japanese-escorts-in-dubai-uae/[/URL].

[QUOTE=TravelerX;2928226]I agree with this 100%. I had to try 10 x as hard as a Japanese guy to get a date with the same girl. So I did. Do not come on strong, that is repulsive. Trying hard means putting effort into yourself, your look, your behavior, your skills and assets. You have to have basic cultural sensitivity to succeed. Be a true gentleman if you want to thrive.

There is no point in even trying to date Japanese women unless you actually prefer them. I do, so that's why I'm willing to try 10 times as hard as most people. I learned Japanese mainly so I can date Japanese women. It's not worth it if you prefer other women.

90% of girls are not even going to consider you an option. Of the 10%, well since I am decent looking but not especially attractive, only 10% of them would even consider me. I can work with that 1%. I use my many other talents and assets. Since I genuinely like women, it is easy for me to have a conversation with many women without the context of expecting anything from them. That's what a gentleman does. I talk to grandmas, guys, anyone where the situation is appropriate. I do not approach grandmas or mothers but the situation comes up naturally. I'm not asking anything from them. If you behave with good manners it's a pleasure. I am confident, well dressed, and behave well so it does not raise alarms with women. Then when occasionally I talk with a woman of the right age who gives me the right signs, I decide if I like her or not and move from there. Be prepared to talk to hundreds of people, some of them women, this way. A person who does it differently than this is just doing nampa and will get what that gets. Go ahead but I don't recommend it and I won't help you.

Next step is to find the right venue where you maximize compatible women to meet so that you are allowed to naturally approach them, such as a club. Do not approach women who have no choice, such as the lady working at Starbucks. Don't be that guy, just do it the right way. As I said, I know a lot of guys aren't sincere so I am not going to give tips on nampa. I know it's going to happen but it's one reason Japanese women don't take foreigners seriously. That's why I suggest Roppongi because at least that's 50-50 GF / nampa where you might actually meet a girlfriend or someone who wants some fun (you are not going to find many girls who 100% want one or the other there). Just don't pretend to be something you're not and hurt someone. That's bad form no matter the country.[/QUOTE]Don't take this the wrong way but if you struggled that hard and spoke Japanese the problem might be you. That or your location. Honestly I have dated in Japan and have had none of the issues you mentioned. It got easier as my Japanese got better. You either need to change something with your approach or something. Even with as fat as I am I can go to the HUB in Shibuya and pull something 50% of the time. Me and a friend joke Japan is a steal your girl country. We have both lost count of how many girls who had boyfriend's and we're married hooked up with us with ease.

I have lost count of how many girls working girls I have gotten the number of or dated. The more I read I think your approach to girls might be off.

Now if you walk out expecting girls just to flock with you cause your a foreigner or ganjin yeah not going to happen. But if you go looking with minimal effort you should find something. Hell I am baning a soapland girl for free because she thought I was a nice guy. I went out to grab sushi and a drink one time ended up at karaoke with three girls slept with one.

[QUOTE=David032;2928269]Don't take this the wrong way but if you struggled that hard and spoke Japanese the problem might be you. That or your location. Honestly I have dated in Japan and have had none of the issues you mentioned. It got easier as my Japanese got better. You either need to change something with your approach or something. Even with as fat as I am I can go to the HUB in Shibuya and pull something 50% of the time. Me and a friend joke Japan is a steal your girl country. We have both lost count of how many girls who had boyfriend's and we're married hooked up with us with ease.

I have lost count of how many girls working girls I have gotten the number of or dated. The more I read I think your approach to girls might be off.

Now if you walk out expecting girls just to flock with you cause your a foreigner or ganjin yeah not going to happen. But if you go looking with minimal effort you should find something. Hell I am baning a soapland girl for free because she thought I was a nice guy. I went out to grab sushi and a drink one time ended up at karaoke with three girls slept with one.[/QUOTE]I don't disagree with many of the points you've made, though I consider it unrealistic for most people. So you may have really confused what I said. No need to make a contest about this.

You are talking for example about hookups going to a hookup bar. I'm not interested as I said, with exceptions it's just a waste of my time. In my travels I rejected a lot of women. If I wasn't particular, I would have had way more women and I don't want that.

Maybe that wasn't clear to you or just hard to accept that I want something very different. I don't consider quantity to have any merit. But if you consider it to be the only measure of worth I have probably had a lot more women than you thanks to p4p. And that is all I'm here to help people with, so they can do the same, not to brag and tell people it's going to be easy.

The only reason I wrote anything at all about meeting women is someone asked for help. It's good you gave your thoughts as well. We need different perspectives. These talks should be about what will work for other people, not about me. I think your ideas will help some people, and so will mine.

So there is no need for you to say I am doing something wrong. I don't judge others but it would be too easy for me to say you are doing it wrong. I don't because I recognize you are enjoying what you do, the same that I enjoy what I'm doing.

When I compare the fun and caliber of women I've had through meeting women vs p4p, it's not even close. Yes there are a few exceptions I treasure, but by and large the ladies aren't in the same league or even close to the same league. To be fair I am going to romance a woman closer to my age and enjoy her company. And I am going to want to bang a younger and more beautiful woman, too. So we need both types of women, civvie and p4p.

I could have easily written my posts about oppai pubs and meeting women as only positives and leaving out the negatives to set realistic expectations. I didn't. I feel your post really does. It reads "A fat foreigner can go to Japan and steal its women". I know what you meant, however do you get that? It's not about you or me but what some guy in his 20s reading this will think and do next. You and I were both there at some point in our lives. There are not enough of us in this world so let's not fight. Let's just help them.

[QUOTE=David032;2928269]Don't take this the wrong way but if you struggled that hard and spoke Japanese the problem might be you. That or your location. Honestly I have dated in Japan and have had none of the issues you mentioned. It got easier as my Japanese got better. You either need to change something with your approach or something. Even with as fat as I am I can go to the HUB in Shibuya and pull something 50% of the time. Me and a friend joke Japan is a steal your girl country. We have both lost count of how many girls who had boyfriend's and we're married hooked up with us with ease.

I have lost count of how many girls working girls I have gotten the number of or dated. The more I read I think your approach to girls might be off.

[/QUOTE]I tend to agree with this take, being a foreigner was an asset for me with Japanese women, not an impediment as many report here. For the first time in my life I casually hooked up with a regular chick at shopping mall (Shibuya) where we connected over some trivial stuff. She spoke limited English, I made a joke after a purchase and complimented her appearance and manners, we locked eyes, and it was on. I wasn't looking for a hookup, but would have been an idiot to let this go.

Hi.

Every report I have gone through on TokyoAdultguide, people seem to pay 60000-150000 for a session?

Are there cheaper places. First time visiting, also except for the 2-3 pink salons welcoming foreigners, there are no others?

Are there and foreigner friendly pink salons or soapies around roppongi?

Thanks.

[QUOTE=Daebis;2928609]Hi.

Every report I have gone through on TokyoAdultguide, people seem to pay 60000-150000 for a session?

Are there cheaper places. First time visiting, also except for the 2-3 pink salons welcoming foreigners, there are no others?

Are there and foreigner friendly pink salons or soapies around roppongi?

Thanks.[/QUOTE]I'm far from the expert, so there's probably a lot more than I know about.

But in Shinjuku try Soapland MAX. Bit hard to find by googling, but its gajin friendly and is like 32 k460.

In Yoshiwara it swarms with soaplands. Contrary to what I'm reading that most are not gajin friendly. I was invited inside almost every door, although I'm pretty sure most would add up a pretty hefty taks for not being japanese. (FYI I don't look asian, I don't speak any asain let alone japanese.) So could be it was just a slow day and they wanted customers, I don't know. I went inside one random, on the door it said 30 k4120. Once inside, they show pics, I ask price. 80 k. HAHAH so I politly say sorry to much, my bad I thought I seen 30 k on the door. The guy mumbles english and japanese mixed together something about 30 k being the 'charge', but what the added cost is I've no clue, he did go down to 60 k BTW, I still passed.

But anyway, in this area there's some affordable soaplands too. Though, I am guessing higher price here does mean better quality at least in rooms and maintanance. I went for a cheaper one and it was kinda like 20 years overdue for a refurb. I mean, almost any Thai soapy in Bangkok is in better state haha, even the shitty ones in the ally's LOL.