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[QUOTE=ParkVille;1887096]Couldn't agree more. It's like prospecting for gold now; sometimes you find some decent pieces, but nothing like what it was before. I can say that my wallet is getting heavier now that I have no decent P4 P establishments on my radar, whereas before I had too many places to visit as a patron. However in this current situation, I'm just finding steady P4 P girls and turning it into a regular thing. This regular hookup is done preferably outside of the bar / shop, and I am not paying the high price and also gambling on quality anymore.
So basically, I think moving towards having quality regulars is so much better than rolling the dice constantly. At least in this quality deprived environment.[/QUOTE]Sadly, this is the case even in the most reliable spots these days. I used to almost never repeat with any girl, and if I did it was months after the fact. There was just too much available. GoGos, Thermae, Nana Disco, the street; all were amazing for my first seven or so years here. After that began its retreat I started the oily route. That was in earnest in '07. Again I was overwhelmed with choice. All good performers, it was often hard to pick. Now I wonder from shop to shop and most of the lookers I see fail the interview and are not wiling to provide the services I seek.
Regulars? Why yes, had a few, but sadly over the last year all have retired or headed out to greener pastures. Been looking for replacements; haven't found any. Requirements are pretty simple, no baby or no baby drag, full on PSE experience, enthusiastic, an ok face, proportional body, and a no holes barred approach to sex. I remember when Pond once told me she had been double teamed by a couple of Korean guys and loved it. My kind of gal and willing to share the info. The old guard is gone.
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[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1887094]In fact, I had a recent experience where an oily gal wanted anal, said she wanted to come, and pulled out a vibrator. She also told me that it takes her a long time to come. Well, that long time was about 20 straight non-stop pumping minutes of intense anal with her grinding her clit with the vibrator. And I was spent after that. Truth be told that is a bit too much work when I am paying.[/QUOTE]You mind sharing who this was? You can PM if you don't want to post it here.
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[QUOTE=Franciscass;1887038]Dan,
I agree on being open minded. But lets consider what's happening here. First thing to realize you are paying for a service. Second thing to remember she is working. It's her job so it's not about her having a good time it's about you having a good time. It's about your orgasm (s) not hers. You shouldn't confuse the mind set of sexual workers with the mindset of customers. It's not a romantic encounter. Of course no denying it if she seems to be enjoying what's happening it feels better and if you feel her having a good time is more likely because she has no concerns about being paid by all means pay upfront. Its no big deal. Personally I think it's more important to agree on what level of service is going to be provided as to whether the session turns out well or not, for both parties.[/QUOTE]Perhaps you aren't the kind of guy who goes for the girlfriend experience (GFE), even when the hot lady is trying to create it for you. Your approach is very similar to what you hear about prostitution in western countries. It's ugly, and it's bad, especially from the woman's point of view. There is no love and no feeling. It's all about the drilling in an employer-employee kind of way.
You can certainly look at it this way, if you want. But I think this view is typical of anti-prostitution propaganda, rather than something to believe in and accept.
I think it's a lot more fun to fantasize about the lady and take her in a romantic way, than to treat it as service, work, and a business deal. And I'm not alone in this. According to a recent study that I quoted before, the top sex-fantasy for men to have is "having romantic feelings during sexual relationship". Which is the girlfriend experience (GFE) with P4P ladies.
GFE is the most common sex-fantasy for men to have (88.3% of men have this fantasy). But it's not something all men go for. Perhaps you belong that 11.7% of men who don't go for GFE.
[URL]http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/seriouslyscience/2014/11/10/sexual-fantasies-least-popular-science-finally-weighs/[/URL]
I think you create your own reality, when you choose to fulfil your sex-fantasies with P4P ladies. And you can make it as ugly or as nice as you want it to be.
You become what you do.
When you hug the lady and try to please her, then you become her romantic boyfriend in your feeling during your drilling.
But if you make it one way, rather than mutual, then you are alone, even while you nail her with your bone. She doesn't share your feelings with you.
I prefer the first one. Because it's like uniting with the lady in both body and mind. The second one is almost like masturbation. Because the lady doesn't share your feelings with you. It's only your pleasure and not hers.
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[QUOTE=Dan7373;1887937]Perhaps you aren't the kind of guy who goes for the girlfriend experience (GFE), even when the hot lady is trying to create it for you. Your approach is very similar to what you hear about prostitution in western countries. It's ugly, and it's bad, especially from the woman's point of view. There is no love and no feeling. It's all about the drilling in an employer-employee kind of way.
You can certainly look at it this way, if you want. But I think this view is typical of anti-prostitution propaganda, rather than something to believe in and accept.
I think it's a lot more fun to fantasize about the lady and take her in a romantic way, than to treat it as service, work, and a business deal. And I'm not alone in this. According to a recent study that I quoted before, the top sex-fantasy for men to have is "having romantic feelings during sexual relationship". Which is the girlfriend experience (GFE) with P4P ladies.
GFE is the most common sex-fantasy for men to have (88.3% of men have this fantasy). But it's not something all men go for. Perhaps you belong that 11.7% of men who don't go for GFE.
[URL]http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/seriouslyscience/2014/11/10/sexual-fantasies-least-popular-science-finally-weighs/[/URL]
I think you create your own reality, when you choose to fulfil your sex-fantasies with P4P ladies. And you can make it as ugly or as nice as you want it to be.
You become what you do.
When you hug the lady and try to please her, then you become her romantic boyfriend in your feeling during your drilling.
But if you make it one way, rather than mutual, then you are alone, even while you nail her with your bone. She doesn't share your feelings with you.
I prefer the first one. Because it's like uniting with the lady in both body and mind. The second one is almost like masturbation. Because the lady doesn't share your feelings with you. It's only your pleasure and not hers.[/QUOTE]Dan, the point being it is her job to create that environment for the customer, or whatever environment or experience that customer desires within the limits of what she is willing to do. GFE, PSE, quickie, etc. It is not up to the customer to create it for her.
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[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1887944]Dan, the point being it is her job to create that environment for the customer, or whatever environment or experience that customer desires within the limits of what she is willing to do. GFE, PSE, quickie, etc. It is not up to the customer to create it for her.[/QUOTE]A relationship between two people is a mutual creation. Because it depends on what both people do.
The lady might try to give you the girlfriend experience. But how you behave towards her tells her what role to play with you, and she adjusts accordingly.
You can destroy the girlfriend experience by not trying to please the lady and make it mutual between you and her.
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[QUOTE=Dan7373;1887937]Perhaps you aren't the kind of guy who goes for the girlfriend experience (GFE), even when the hot lady is trying to create it for you. Your approach is very similar to what you hear about prostitution in western countries. It's ugly, and it's bad, especially from the woman's point of view. There is no love and no feeling. It's all about the drilling in an employer-employee kind of way.
You can certainly look at it this way, if you want. But I think this view is typical of anti-prostitution propaganda, rather than something to believe in and accept.
I think it's a lot more fun to fantasize about the lady and take her in a romantic way, than to treat it as service, work, and a business deal. And I'm not alone in this. According to a recent study that I quoted before, the top sex-fantasy for men to have is "having romantic feelings during sexual relationship". Which is the girlfriend experience (GFE) with P4P ladies..[/QUOTE]Dan,
I envy your ability to imagine there is somehow a romance taking place when you are paying for sex. I wish I had your imagination and naivety. I really do but when you have lived here for over 15 years and spent a lot of money on entertainment you come to understand what's really going on. I love the GFE who wouldn't but I understand it is simply part of her skill set not an expression of her love for you. Some girls are friendlier and naturally more affectionate than others and girls do enjoy some customer's company both sexually and personally more than others but calling it love sorry don't get it. FYI I don't believe prostitution is ugly or bad far from it. I still have a great time with the girls and never tire of visiting them.
I am simply trying to point out Dan that whatever fantasized Alice in Wonderland view you may have of the P4P business there is a reality. Have you ever gone for a session with your favorite girl and she is busy upstairs. The mamasan doesn't tell you she is having a romantic love session with the latest of the three customers she has been with that day. What she tells you is "sorry Dan she working now come back later". The operative word is working.
I think Dan you know all this but you somehow can create an illusionary Mills and Boon fantasy when you are with your lady and have paid up front. Again all I can say is that I envy you.
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[QUOTE=Franciscass;1888004]Dan,
I envy your ability to imagine there is somehow a romance taking place when you are paying for sex. I wish I had your imagination and naivety. ...[/QUOTE]My point is that GFE doesn't work, unless you participate in it and play your role.
The lady can't do it by herself and play both roles to make it happen. She can only play her part. And it's up to you to play your part to make it happen.
And I don't think you need to envy me. Any guy can do this. All you need to do is show the lady some physical affection. Hug her, and get a lot of body-to-body contact going with her. Take her in the spoon position, rather than in doggy. And this in itself will get your feelings going for her. Because physical affection in itself produces feelings like this.
It's a mistake to think that feelings always have to come before hugging and kissing and sex. Quite often it's the other way around. The hugging and kissing and a lot of body-to-body contact makes you feel this way, even if you didn't feel this way before.
It's a case where you become what you do. This is always true, when it comes to feelings. If you do some cruel stuff, then you become cruel in your feelings. But if you do some loving deeds, then that's the kind of feelings you start to have. Doing is becoming, not in the physical sense, but in terms of your feelings.
And it's important to remember that guys aren't the only ones who have sex fantasies. Women have fantasies too. And according to that study that I've mentioned before, women fantasize about the GFE experience even more than men (92.2% for women and 88.3% for men).
Vast majority of women said, "I like to feel romantic emotions during a sexual relationship". Which means that your Thai lady is probably playing out her own fantasies with you, when she is giving you the GFE experience. All you need to do is participate in it and enjoy, instead of treating the lady's behavior with suspicion and distrust.
[URL]http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/seriouslyscience/2014/11/10/sexual-fantasies-least-popular-science-finally-weighs/[/URL]
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[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1887094]... I had a recent experience where an oily gal wanted anal, said she wanted to come, and pulled out a vibrator. She also told me that it takes her a long time to come. Well, that long time was about 20 straight non-stop pumping minutes of intense anal with her grinding her clit with the vibrator. And I was spent after that. Truth be told that is a bit too much work when I am paying.
When I am with a GF then her coming first is paramount. My focus is on her, but with a P4P gal? I'm the one paying.[/QUOTE]I think it's a misconception that you need to pound the lady's ass all the time. This is only true, when you have nothing else to do.
A good way to last for a long time with the lady, without getting tired too much, is to take her ass in the spoon position and masturbate her pussy and clit with your well-lubricated hand, rather than have her do it herself with a vibrator.
Because this way you can just stop with your cock and stay inside her ass, while you focus on masturbating her pussy and clit with your hand. And then you can bang her nice ass some more, once you feel up to it. You can take turns at banging the lady's ass and masturbating her pussy and clit, instead of doing both at the same time. And you'll probably do a better job with the lady, when you focus on one thing at a time, rather than try to multitask with her.
Your hand doesn't really get tired, when you masturbate the lady's pussy and clit. It's a lot easier to do than cunnilingus. And it's very enjoyable for the lady too, if you do it well.
And I say that you should do this in the spoon position. Because this way you rest most of your weight on the bed, and you don't spend much energy fighting against gravity. You just roll back and forth with the lady, instead of trying to balance yourself or lifting yourself up and down on her.
It can be awkward for a guy to stop with his cock inside his lady's ass and wait for a while. Because the lady is liable to ask, "what's wrong with your dong?" But if you stop to masturbate the lady's pussy and clit with your hand, then this is extra pleasure for her. She isn't going to ask, "why did you stop with your cock?" She'll just enjoy it with you.
And of course, since you are the one who is paying, the lady probably won't argue with you, when you muscle in on her vibrator with your hand on her pussy and clit.
I think her vibrator might have been a problem. Because I can usually make the lady orgasm with my hand in a lot less than 20 minutes.
Here are some examples of guys taking a rest inside their lady's nice ass, while they masturbate her pussy:
[URL]http://s4d3.turboimg.net/sp/77300fbf3e722a509eff49052d72209a/Monique-Alexander-Anal-Pussy-Rubbing.gif[/URL]
[URL]https://49.media.tumblr.com/92d77d14344d328682b4cea324e458b8/tumblr_nvkjulsCD71ugj7f5o1_500.gif[/URL]
And of course, it doesn't have to be all or nothing kind of thing. You can move your cock inside the lady a little to keep it enjoyable for yourself, but focus mostly on masturbating her pussy and clit:
[URL]http://porngif6.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/tumblr_nf4zyvdY2U1semc6ko1_400.gif[/URL]
[URL]http://joseluisduran6442.tumblr.com/post/145067195781[/URL]
The lady might bring her legs close together, when you take her in the spoon position. But that's no problem for masturbating her pussy and clit. You just need to put your fingers inside her slit, when you masturbate it. Here are some examples of how to do it, when the lady has her legs close together:
[URL]https://i.xxgifs.com/galleries/20/big/busty-blonde-gets-her-asshole-fucked-deeply.gif[/URL]
[URL]http://juicygif.com/albums/userpics/2014y/05/21/21/1/9370-sexy-pussy-rub.gif[/URL]
[URL]http://juicygif.com/albums/userpics/2015y/04/28/0/1/small_0519-abella-danger-rubbing-staci-carrs-pussy.gif[/URL]
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[QUOTE=Dan7373;1888059]I think it's a misconception that you need to pound the lady's ass all the time. This is only true, when you have nothing else to do.
A good way to last for a long time with the lady, without getting tired too much, is to take her ass in the spoon position and masturbate her pussy and clit with your well-lubricated hand, rather than have her do it herself with a vibrator.
Because this way you can just stop with your cock and stay inside her ass, while you focus on masturbating her pussy and clit with your hand. And then you can bang her nice ass some more, once you feel up to it. You can take turns at banging the lady's ass and masturbating her pussy and clit, instead of doing both at the same time. And you'll probably do a better job with the lady, when you focus on one thing at a time, rather than try to multitask with her.
Your hand doesn't really get tired, when you masturbate the lady's pussy and clit. It's a lot easier to do than cunnilingus. And it's very enjoyable for the lady too, if you do it well.
And I say that you should do this in the spoon position. Because this way you rest most of your weight on the bed, and you don't spend much energy fighting against gravity. You just roll back and forth with the lady, instead of trying to balance yourself or lifting yourself up and down on her.
It can be awkward for a guy to stop with his cock inside his lady's ass and wait for a while. Because the lady is liable to ask, "what's wrong with your dong?" But if you stop to masturbate the lady's pussy and clit with your hand, then this is extra pleasure for her. She isn't going to ask, "why did you stop with your cock?" She'll just enjoy it with you.
And of course, since you are the one who is paying, the lady probably won't argue with you, when you muscle in on her vibrator with your hand on her pussy and clit.
I think her vibrator might have been a problem. Because I can usually make the lady orgasm with my hand in a lot less than 20 minutes.
Here are some examples of guys taking a rest inside their lady's nice ass, while they masturbate her pussy:
[URL]http://s4d3.turboimg.net/sp/77300fbf3e722a509eff49052d72209a/Monique-Alexander-Anal-Pussy-Rubbing.gif[/URL]
[URL]https://49.media.tumblr.com/92d77d14344d328682b4cea324e458b8/tumblr_nvkjulsCD71ugj7f5o1_500.gif[/URL]
And of course, it doesn't have to be all or nothing kind of thing. You can move your cock inside the lady a little to keep it enjoyable for yourself, but focus mostly on masturbating her pussy and clit:
[URL]http://porngif6.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/tumblr_nf4zyvdY2U1semc6ko1_400.gif[/URL]
[URL]http://joseluisduran6442.tumblr.com/post/145067195781[/URL]
The lady might bring her legs close together, when you take her in the spoon position. But that's no problem for masturbating her pussy and clit. You just need to put your fingers inside her slit, when you masturbate it. Here are some examples of how to do it, when the lady has her legs close together:
[URL]https://i.xxgifs.com/galleries/20/big/busty-blonde-gets-her-asshole-fucked-deeply.gif[/URL]
[URL]http://juicygif.com/albums/userpics/2014y/05/21/21/1/9370-sexy-pussy-rub.gif[/URL]
[URL]http://juicygif.com/albums/userpics/2015y/04/28/0/1/small_0519-abella-danger-rubbing-staci-carrs-pussy.gif[/URL][/QUOTE]Wasn't my idea bro. She asked me to do it and in a very specific position of her choice. Vibe was her idea as well.
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[QUOTE=Dan7373;1888015]My point is that GFE doesn't work, unless you participate in it and play your role.
The lady can't do it by herself and play both roles to make it happen. She can only play her part. And it's up to you to play your part to make it happen.
And I don't think you need to envy me. Any guy can do this. All you need to do is show the lady some physical affection. Hug her, and get a lot of body-to-body contact going with her. Take her in the spoon position, rather than in doggy. And this in itself will get your feelings going for her. Because physical affection in itself produces feelings like this.
It's a mistake to think that feelings always have to come before hugging and kissing and sex. Quite often it's the other way around. The hugging and kissing and a lot of body-to-body contact makes you feel this way, even if you didn't feel this way before.[/QUOTE]Thanks Dan for your advice and techniques on how to create the GFE experience. It opens up a whole new world for me and I can't wait to try it out. After 15 plus years of mongering I never knew this was possible. Now instead of just having sex I will be having loving romantic encounters where both of us have multiple orgasms. I just have to remember to always pay up front.
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[QUOTE=Dan7373;1887937]Perhaps you aren't the kind of guy who goes for the girlfriend experience (GFE), even when the hot lady is trying to create it for you. Your approach is very similar to what you hear about prostitution in western countries. It's ugly, and it's bad, especially from the woman's point of view. There is no love and no feeling. It's all about the drilling in an employer-employee kind of way.[/QUOTE]Dan your posts are rather preachy and condescending. Sighting surveys and statistics to try and convince people is not going to sway anyone that you alone have found the one true higher consciousness way to engage woman.
Do you really believe we need the self-help guides? Didn't you start a separate thread recently to indulge you masturbatory fantasies?
[URL]http://www.InternationalSexGuide.info/forum/showthread.php?3775-Tips-and-techniques-for-sexually-arousing-women-and-making-them-orgasm[/URL]
SL.
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[QUOTE=Sunlover2;1888401]Dan your posts are rather preachy and condescending. Sighting surveys and statistics to try and convince people is not going to sway anyone that you alone have found the one true higher consciousness way to engage woman.
Do you really believe we need the self-help guides? Didn't you start a separate thread recently to indulge you masturbatory fantasies?
[URL]http://www.InternationalSexGuide.info/forum/showthread.php?3775-Tips-and-techniques-for-sexually-arousing-women-and-making-them-orgasm[/URL]
SL.[/QUOTE]Preaching is a one-way talk, rather than a discussion between people who disagree. Your own response here indicates that this a discussion, rather than preaching.
If I'm preaching, then so is everybody else here, including you.
I think it's important to find good evidence for your opinions and views. Because without good evidence, there is no way to know what's true or not true.
If you refuse to look at the evidence, then you basically lose your argument in any kind of disagreement. Because this shows that you don't care about the truth. It undermines your credibility in what you have to say.
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[QUOTE=Franciscass;1888338]Thanks Dan for your advice and techniques on how to create the GFE experience. It opens up a whole new world for me and I can't wait to try it out. After 15 plus years of mongering I never knew this was possible. Now instead of just having sex I will be having loving romantic encounters where both of us have multiple orgasms. I just have to remember to always pay up front.[/QUOTE]Thankfully, I did not see an entry for "I fantasize about turning the classic Pay After P4 P arrangement that has worked most places around the world for centuries into a Pay Upfront arrangement on the mistaken belief that doing so would in any way improve the service level overall" in that survey. Do you suppose it not being there, not being cited by so much as 0.0001% of the respondents, will change a certain person's mind about supporting the idea?
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[QUOTE=Franciscass;1888338]Thanks Dan for your advice and techniques on how to create the GFE experience. It opens up a whole new world for me and I can't wait to try it out. After 15 plus years of mongering I never knew this was possible. Now instead of just having sex I will be having loving romantic encounters where both of us have multiple orgasms. I just have to remember to always pay up front.[/QUOTE]I get the impression that GFE isn't your thing. Which is a little hard for me to understand. Because I always thought it was a turn-off for guys, when the lady refused to hug and kiss with them.
I think GFE is a great way to support P4P women in what they do. Because when you make it pleasant for the lady and you are nice to her, then this shows to women in general that this isn't a bad thing to do.
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[QUOTE=EihTooms;1888512]Thankfully, I did not see an entry for "I fantasize about turning the classic Pay After P4 P arrangement that has worked most places around the world for centuries into a Pay Upfront arrangement on the mistaken belief that doing so would in any way improve the service level overall" in that survey. Do you suppose it not being there, not being cited by so much as 0.0001% of the respondents, will change a certain person's mind about supporting the idea?[/QUOTE]I am sorry but I have no idea what you were trying to say there. But following through on what I though you had being conversing about I tried your technique earlier to day. I paid up front started with the spoon position rather than the doggy, softly massaged her clit with a well lubricated hand in a counterclockwise motion while simultaneously fucking her using intermittent slow then fast strokes, part in then all the way in, nibbled on her ear while telling her how her divine body was driving me wild (72% of women in a recent survey said they loved hearing this 68% of the time). It was beautiful, I was beginning to feel the love, romance was in the air. Then she turned around and asked me "why you not finish yet". Dan can you please tell where the fuck I went wrong.
