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[QUOTE=MontanaMonger;2473862]If anyone thinks the vaccine is THE panacea we are looking for its not when the vaccine is unleashed it will only be 50% effective (not 93%) which is about as good as the current Flu shot, we all know how well that works.[/QUOTE]Not to mention that it won't work on obese people.

And that as many as half of people won't take it.

And that even if a vaccine was approved we only have the capability to actually make about 300,000,000 doses in a world of almost 9 billion people.

Start crunching those numbers and you might be able to understand why people in the travel industry are talking about maybe starting to approach something like normal in 2024.

[QUOTE=SoapySmith;2473771]They'll have one about as soon as the British do, since they've been hacking into the British studies. Innovation takes many forms.[/QUOTE]Different paths. Vaccines are already available in many counties. Each have their own approval process for delivery to human population.

As for industrial espionage, it is an ancient game. Think tea, silkworms, pasta, wine, cheese, metal alloys, herbs. Check with Snowden, the 5 and soon to be 6 eyes should be more interesting.

Oh I skimmed a news report about some country buying up most supply and future production of Remdesivir.

[QUOTE=Bushes;2474150]Oh I skimmed a news report about some country buying up most supply and future production of Remdesivir.[/QUOTE]That was USA. And some think if the vaccine is working and available USA should get it last now. From reading some news outlets horrified that the USA should ignore the rest of world's needs. But then I suppose it needs it more given that it leads the world in cases and deaths (but would not be in this position if we applied the logic of its President and did not do as many tests LOL).

Supposedly Russia just announced the approval of a locally developed Covid19 vaccine. I guess James Bond, Felix and Our Man Flint are on their way to Russia.

[QUOTE=WickedRoger;2474164]That was USA. And some think if the vaccine is working and available USA should get it last now. From reading some news outlets horrified that the USA should ignore the rest of world's needs. But then I suppose it needs it more given that it leads the world in cases and deaths (but would not be in this position if we applied the logic of its President and did not do as many tests LOL).[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Bushes;2474150]Different paths. Vaccines are already available in many counties. Each have their own approval process for delivery to human population.

As for industrial espionage, it is an ancient game. Think tea, silkworms, pasta, wine, cheese, metal alloys, herbs. Check with Snowden, the 5 and soon to be 6 eyes should be more interesting.

Oh I skimmed a news report about some country buying up most supply and future production of Remdesivir.[/QUOTE]

Time to dust off those condoms and suitcases. And get some jogging in so you don't keel over with your first bar fine.

"Duterte accepts Russia's vaccine offer; chances of COVID-free Christmas higher".

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bjemgps_RCs[/URL]

Oh. Russia has partnered with local companies in several countries for research and vaccine production. Also their methodology is different from the Oxford and some US methodology. China took also a more traditional path. Hopefully, the differences will only enhance the overall protection for people as a whole versus people of a particular social economic status in certain countries.

And yeah. All blue ball monitor addicts better start exercising and dusting of that Costco special box of 1000 condoms.

[QUOTE=Bushes;2474150]Oh I skimmed a news report about some country buying up most supply and future production of Remdesivir.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Bushes;2474387]Supposedly Russia just announced the approval of a locally developed Covid19 vaccine. I guess James Bond, Felix and Our Man Flint are on their way to Russia.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MontanaMonger;2474419]Time to dust off those condoms and suitcases. And get some jogging in so you don't keel over with your first bar fine.

"Duterte accepts Russia's vaccine offer; chances of COVID-free Christmas higher".

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bjemgps_RCs[/URL][/QUOTE]Not tested, not properly trialed so say much of world media, and you believe in Santa also MM.

Read the local news (lots of different sites) as some of us do and listen to those who live in hot spots. Read the contributors to this thread. That is a better indication of what will happen then the link to a MB site.

And does it say that foreign mongers are to be given a priority or can leave their shores to travel or that very likely some rich politician and cronies will get the vaccine first leaving the poor scrambling (and which class of person are the mongers generally shagging?

While not many love to hear blue balls will likely continue until 2021.

[QUOTE=WickedRoger;2474510]Not tested, not properly trialed so say much of world media, and you believe in Santa also MM.

Read the local news (lots of different sites) as some of us do and listen to those who live in hot spots. Read the contributors to this thread. That is a better indication of what will happen then the link to a MB site.

And does it say that foreign mongers are to be given a priority or can leave their shores to travel or that very likely some rich politician and cronies will get the vaccine first leaving the poor scrambling (and which class of person are the mongers generally shagging?

While not many love to hear blue balls will likely continue until 2021.[/QUOTE]Yeah. Devil is in the details. PI had a very sad experience with a French dangue vaccine severalyears ago even though it had been approved for a couple to several years before. It had a known theoretical problem that was not emphasized or highlighted. Still approved in the US.

Unfortunately, those with all the information and knowledge might not be the one giving the advice or the one in power. Think Johnson, Trump, Bolsonaro. Oh, A small amount of bleach is okay for disinfecting drinking water versus drinking contaminated water. Balance. Balance is important. But unfortunately there usually are a lot of information to digest first.

[QUOTE=WickedRoger;2474510]Not tested, not properly trialed so say much of world media, and you believe in Santa also MM.[/QUOTE]The new vaccine is appropriately named Sputnik V. I'm old enough to remember the first Sputnik, a series of early space shots with animal or human cargo in satellite capsules. A bunch of dead dogs and cosmonauts before they got the wrinkles worked out. I'd assume Soviet / Russian standards for scientific testing procedures might not match those in other countries. If Putin is so impressed, and proud that his daughter was one of the volunteers who was vaccinated, why didn't he volunteer. It may turn out that poor Filipinos will be Duterte's first Guinea pigs, because better-educated Filipinos will likely delay gratification.

[QUOTE=SoapySmith;2474751]The new vaccine is appropriately named Sputnik V. I'm old enough to remember the first Sputnik, a series of early space shots with animal or human cargo in satellite capsules. A bunch of dead dogs and cosmonauts before they got the wrinkles worked out. I'd assume Soviet / Russian standards for scientific testing procedures might not match those in other countries. If Putin is so impressed, and proud that his daughter was one of the volunteers who was vaccinated, why didn't he volunteer. It may turn out that poor Filipinos will be Duterte's first Guinea pigs, because better-educated Filipinos will likely delay gratification.[/QUOTE]Supposedly, the Soviet Sputnik program had a number of failures that the Politburo hid from the world. There suppose to be in the space junk circling the planet a number of mummified dogs and cosmonauts they could never retrieve!

[QUOTE=Rodwint2;2474771]Supposedly, the Soviet Sputnik program had a number of failures that the Politburo hid from the world. There suppose to be in the space junk circling the planet a number of mummified dogs and cosmonauts they could never retrieve![/QUOTE]Some of the newer US failures resulted in shuttle members possibly surviving a launch explosion but perishing on impact. Or shuttle breakup and burning on reentry. It is like the George Clooney's movie. Maybe better to go with co2 poisoning.

People have taken experimental medicine or treatments because of desperation. The US doctor that survived ebola and was airlifted back to the US, took a lot of experimental stuff. Including a young ebola boy survivor 's plasma. I wonder who consented on behalf of the boy.

If you had a Cloverfield esqu structure, stay put and don't bring any pussy inside. For some reason, bring a pussy inside usually results in guys dying. Guess history repeats, apple, tree, snake.

[QUOTE=Bushes;2474646]Yeah. Devil is in the details. PI had a very sad experience with a French dangue vaccine severalyears ago ....[/QUOTE]The government is so desperate to reopen the economy that they may just promote an unproven vaccine so that they can get things going.

There is a vaccine, we are saved.

The Russian vaccine has not undergone phase 3 trials. That is large scale on many people. Normally that os necessary for approval. This early approval is politics and not science.

[QUOTE=KabulGuy;2475336]The government is so desperate to reopen the economy that they may just promote an unproven vaccine so that they can get things going.

There is a vaccine, we are saved.

The Russian vaccine has not undergone phase 3 trials. That is large scale on many people. Normally that os necessary for approval. This early approval is politics and not science.[/QUOTE]The French Sanofi dengue fever vaccine had passed phase 3 trials and was approved for at least a couple years before Philippines adopted it. Many people died. It is still approved in US.

Remdesivir is still completing Phase 2 and 3 trials for covid19.

As I suggested, balance. Would more harm (many ways to measure) come from using an experimental vaccine versus keeping economy, schools open and not wearing masks and maybe taking Hydroxychloroquine?

Several doctors have taken the Oxford vaccine. The doctor who found the small pox vaccine tested it on a boy, not his, and tried to infect the boy with small pox.

Anyway, pussy is more dangerous. Lead to more deaths. Helen of Troy.

[QUOTE=SoapySmith;2474751]It may turn out that poor Filipinos will be Duterte's first Guinea pigs[/QUOTE]Seems likely:

"The Philippines will begin large-scale human testing of Russia's coronavirus vaccine in October, but President Rodrigo Duterte will not receive the inoculation until regulators guarantee its safety, his spokesman said Thursday. ".

But they'd be the second Guinea pigs.

These poor souls were the first:

"The Philippines was the first country to introduce the dengue vaccine CYD-TDV (Dengvaxia; Pasteur, Lyon, France) on a large scale in selected highly endemic regions, targeting about 1 million children aged 9–10 years. ".

"In late November 2017, the Department of Health (DOH) suspended the school-based vaccination program that used the dengue vaccine after reports circulated that several children had died from various complications allegedly attributed to the vaccine. Shortly afterwards, the company made a statement that its product posed higher risks to people without prior dengue infection. ".

"As of August 2019, over 600 people (mostly children) that had received at least a single dose of the vaccine had died. The scare caused by the controversy has been suggested as a factor in the country's loss of confidence in vaccines and low immunization rates, resulting in an infectious disease crisis in the country in 2019, including a measles outbreak. ".

[QUOTE=Bushes;2474937]Some of the newer US failures resulted in shuttle members possibly surviving a launch explosion but perishing on impact. Or shuttle breakup and burning on reentry. [/QUOTE]NASA's two most conspicuous accidents were Challenger (1986) and Columbia (2003). Seven astronauts died in each accident. A researcher named Diane Vaughan argued that Challenger occurred because NASA's culture had developed a "normalization of deviance. " That is, they were so invested in "go, go, go," that they increasingly tolerated violations of safety standards, so that Challenger was an accident waiting to happen. Unfortunately, Columbia occurred because NASA officials didn't take Vaughan seriously the first time. I read somewhere that they invited her in and listened to her after Columbia. What we seem to be experiencing in some notable countries with Covid is a headlong rush to normalize deviance by idiots with political goals who are so eager to create an impression of getting things going that they are willing to throw all caution to the wind.

RR's story is almost scarier. Seems to have occurred in a context in which the lives of poor people are cheap and there never were any basic safety standards.