[QUOTE=Rjsss212;1146161]not paying the $4 or so to exit the club lady in hand[/QUOTE]Just to be clear. 320 THB is not $4 at all. It's $12
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[QUOTE=Rjsss212;1146161]not paying the $4 or so to exit the club lady in hand[/QUOTE]Just to be clear. 320 THB is not $4 at all. It's $12
[QUOTE=Chill Out;1146173]. Why not charge you to come in and take a look? Charge you to sit down? Charge you to invite a girl down and talk 5 minutes?[/QUOTE]Actually they do, the drink that you have to buy after entering the bar is essentially a cover charge to come in and take a look. Girls will generally not sit with you for any pro-long period without the girl, Mamasan or the wait staff nudging you to buy her a drink. As for the policy of buying extra drinks, I agree it's over the top but for me it would depend on how much I wanted that particular girl.
[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;1146189]... If everyone would say no to such idiotic rules, and do as you have done, how long till all the girls leave to another bar where they can be barfines properly? And how long for Baccara to beg them to come back?[/QUOTE]
My thoughts exactly, but the problem, in tourist-oriented venues, is that the owners of those establishments know very well that there will always be plenty of foreigners willing to pay such things anyway.
[QUOTE=Fon Tok;1146120]Worth a look. Probably will not be up for long.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umst9lK8bHo[/url][/QUOTE]
Worth a look indeed, alas, bad consequences for the girls and for those who released the clip on the web...
[url]http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/461316-complaints-filed-against-topless-women-dancing-during-songkran/[/url]
[QUOTE=Thai News Agency]Bang Rak district chief Surakiat Limcharoen filed complaint against three Thai women dancing topless during Songkran festival at Silom area together with their supporters and those releasing the trio's video clip on the internet.
The complaints are to charge the three ladies, dancing topless on Friday night at the Silom-Narathiwat intersection area, with a fine of no more than Bt500 each for shameful behaviour in public, while their supporters are to be responsible by two-thirds of the. trio's punishment. Those releasing the clip will face imprisonment of up to 5 years and fined up to Bt100, 000 under the country's Computer Crime Act...[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Goyave; 1146231]Worth a look indeed, alas, bad consequences for the girls and for those who released the clip on the web.
[url]http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/461316-complaints-filed-against-topless-women-dancing-during-songkran/[/url][/QUOTE]Interesting. I missed that completely, was in bed early.
[QUOTE=Chill Out;1146146]We both want to go together and we are stopped by this stupid 300 pounds mamasan. Not a good experience.[/QUOTE]You should have called me up. I would have barfined and fucked the mamasan to keep her out of your way.
[QUOTE=Chill Out;1146146]This is probably just what I needed to push me into the freelancers scene.[/QUOTE]Come on over to the dark side. There is plenty of room here!
[QUOTE=Run Mann;1146195]Actually they do, the drink that you have to buy after entering the bar is essentially a cover charge to come in and take a look.[/QUOTE]Yes but you don't actually have to pay that 100%. I go in and out of bars taking a quick look and leaving right away if I don't like the line up. I do this often, especially when I want a quick take out as opposed to taking my time and enjoying the dances etc. In my opinion this also pushes the bar (over the long run and if enough guys do this) to improve their selection. There is no reason why one should have to sit down and pay for the privilege of looking at average girls doing a shuffle.
[QUOTE=Fon Tok; 1146120]Worth a look. Probably will not be up for long.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umst9lK8bHo[/url][/QUOTE]Already pulled from Youtube, But the link below is working.
[url]http://vimeo.com/user6785001/videos/sort:newest[/url]
[QUOTE=Chill Out; 1146146]I went to Bacarra at 2 AM, I was tied up until then. I was totally sober. Several girls in the line up still, a couple of cute ones (1st floor). I'm not in the mood for spending a long time in there since it's so late. I get a beer and quickly flag down a girl who gives me good eye contact and smiles, she is actually hotter up close. Perfect white teeth, bright smile, cute face. She comes down and is very enthusiastic, she is grinding, dancing, laughing. I dance with her a bit and goof around. I tell her I'm short timing her and she is happy.
The waitress comes and asks me if I know the rules, I say yes, figuring she means the 600 BF and 2000 ST. She then brings me a piece of paper that says I have to pay 2 ladydrinks (320 baths) before I can bar fine a girl. This is the first time I hear of this. In fact I have bar fined several girls from Bacarra and found them to be very unpushy when it comes to ladydrinks (compared to many Nana bars). Usually here I get away with not buying a ladydrink at all as I don't spend hours discussing before I take a girl home. Anyway, I tell the waitress that it's late, the girl and I are both eager to go, and I'm not about to sit down to get 2 ladydrinks. She calls the mamasan who says I can get away with paying for one. I tell her it's late and I've barfined many girls from there, at much earlier times, with no drinks at all (except for mine). She then basically tells me to go.
Painful few minutes as I pay for my beer and the girl sits next to me, with a very disappointed look on her face (not directed at me but at the situation and the mamasan). I'm disappointed too as I liked her and her enthusiasm. We both want to go together and we are stopped by this stupid 300 pounds mamasan. Not a good experience.
I leave and bar fine a girl from another bar without even paying for another beer for myself. Just grab and go.
You could say I should have just paid the damn ladydrink in Bacarra, and maybe I should have. There is a limit to the BS I can put up with though.
This is probably just what I needed to push me into the freelancers scene.
Thoughts?[/QUOTE]I say good for you. Walk away. The more people that do that eventually they get the message.
And if they don't too bad for their business.
Maybe they make enough with the people that do anything they ask.
I walk away for many reasons and forget them.
Like pay bar fine and 3000 baht for short time upstairs at cowboy club? Something like that.
I tell them no and bye.
If I go in and they require my girl to buy a drink. I say bye.
If I can't bring in food to eat.
Bye.
Because when I find a good bar. Then I buy lady drinks. Buy my drinks and maybe even the mamason.
And then I will bar fine from there.
I am glad that someone else walks away some of the time
[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;1146194]Just to be clear. 320 THB is not $4 at all. It's $12[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Chill Out;1146146]She calls the mamasan who says I can get away with paying for one.[/QUOTE]Hmmm, I miss something?
[QUOTE=Bkkmj;1146320]Already pulled from Youtube, But the link below is working.[/QUOTE]Looks like spring break with drunk co-eds. Not bad looking, though. ;)
Thanks,
Slim
[QUOTE=Chill Out;1146317]Yes but you don't actually have to pay that 100%. I go in and out of bars taking a quick look and leaving right away if I don't like the line up.[/QUOTE]Yeah, this is why I didn't include the price of a drink in my comparison of the Thai and farang places earlier. When I'm on a quick mission, I tend to pop in and spot a favourite or ask by name, and pay bar without sitting down, or I move on. If the mamasan sees you mean business, she does business.
[QUOTE=Chill Out; 1146146]I went to Bacarra at 2 AM, I was tied up until then. I was totally sober. Several girls in the line up still, a couple of cute ones (1st floor). I'm not in the mood for spending a long time in there since it's so late. I get a beer and quickly flag down a girl who gives me good eye contact and smiles, she is actually hotter up close. Perfect white teeth, bright smile, cute face. She comes down and is very enthusiastic, she is grinding, dancing, laughing. I dance with her a bit and goof around. I tell her I'm short timing her and she is happy.
The waitress comes and asks me if I know the rules, I say yes, figuring she means the 600 BF and 2000 ST. She then brings me a piece of paper that says I have to pay 2 ladydrinks (320 baths) before I can bar fine a girl. This is the first time I hear of this. In fact I have bar fined several girls from Bacarra and found them to be very unpushy when it comes to ladydrinks (compared to many Nana bars). Usually here I get away with not buying a ladydrink at all as I don't spend hours discussing before I take a girl home. Anyway, I tell the waitress that it's late, the girl and I are both eager to go, and I'm not about to sit down to get 2 ladydrinks. She calls the mamasan who says I can get away with paying for one. I tell her it's late and I've barfined many girls from there, at much earlier times, with no drinks at all (except for mine). She then basically tells me to go.
Painful few minutes as I pay for my beer and the girl sits next to me, with a very disappointed look on her face (not directed at me but at the situation and the mamasan). I'm disappointed too as I liked her and her enthusiasm. We both want to go together and we are stopped by this stupid 300 pounds mamasan. Not a good experience.
I leave and bar fine a girl from another bar without even paying for another beer for myself. Just grab and go.
You could say I should have just paid the damn ladydrink in Bacarra, and maybe I should have. There is a limit to the BS I can put up with though.
This is probably just what I needed to push me into the freelancers scene.
Thoughts?[/QUOTE]Awesome call on your part and I do too feel bad for the girl. She has no recourse and she can't even speak out against Mamasan so it must be hard for them to figure a way out or meet customers. Sounds like she did her job and was into you as well. Another option would be to pay but no tip for waitress or to Mama. Not your problem anyways and it just shows them that you're not a bottomless pot of baht.
[QUOTE=MauiDude; 1146324]I say good for you. Walk away. The more people that do that eventually they get the message.
And if they don't too bad for their business.
Maybe they make enough with the people that do anything they ask.
I walk away for many reasons and forget them.
Like pay bar fine and 3000 baht for short time upstairs at cowboy club? Something like that.
I tell them no and bye.
If I go in and they require my girl to buy a drink. I say bye.
If I can't bring in food to eat.
Bye.
Because when I find a good bar. Then I buy lady drinks. Buy my drinks and maybe even the mamason.
And then I will bar fine from there.
I am glad that someone else walks away some of the time[/QUOTE]Sometimes we need to let all this people whom wanted to take advantages for asking for more. I always avoids places frequented by the Japanese customers. (not to insult any japanese brothers around) but I can not tolerate those perople that is destroying the market, probably they think that the money they spend in Thailand is just a penny back home but please understand you are destroying the market and creating some people to take it as a habit for asking more than what was supposed to be.
This is just my personnel opinion. No harm nor long debate on this issue. Sorry if I have hit something in between.
Cheers,
MD
[QUOTE=Goyave; 1144998]A few days ago, I saw a tall young guy (probably in his late twenties or early thirties) who looks like a mix of David Beckham and Justin Timberlake in their prime. This guy is probably very successful in his own country with women, but in the Land of Smiles, his girlfriend is a woman that most locals and long-term residents would deem as particularly unattractive (and that's a polite understatement). Moreover, everybody can guess that she is (or was) a P4P girl, even from a 200-meter distance! I reckon that the girl has impressive (and apparently natural) breasts and a sexy mouth, but nowadays, I would not fuck her even if it was free (or only after having been deprived of sex for several months, maybe) , and these days, I am far from being as attractive as the afore mentioned guy. I don't even want to be seen near a girl like her in normal conditions. But this young tall guy was walking proudly arm-in-arm with this girl. If he stays long enough in Thailand, he will certainly realize how vulgar she looks like to the eyes of many locals and residents, but at the moment, he doesn't know (ignorance is bliss) and he might even describe his conquest and her "beauty" in glowing terms. That's what happens also quite often here. For him (and some members here) , this girl is certainly (at the moment)"worth every baht spent", but it's usually not the case for people who have already spent some time in this country as this kind of girl has no or very little value. So, don't be surprised if some people among us say that other members overpay for their providers. Unless they live constantly in a bubble, those who spend enough time in the Land of Smiles would eventually realize this too.
)."[/QUOTE]This statement is exactly that confusing me for years with numerous questions been asked but apparently not anyone have giving me the correct answer to my doubts.
Why is it that such a handsome, tall guys opted for those dwarf, black and ugly asian girls. Is there something that is really attracted to them. Or perhaps they thoughts that by choosing those being rejected by majorties then they will be safe from a lot of troubles aside from STD's? But on the other hand, IF all of them opted for this kind of girls falls under this categories, tendency the demand arrise among them (well good to us, then those lovely faces will be much more left for us to choose from)
Just my personal opinion and questions that long been looking for a correct answer. No harm done. Pardon me if this cause any insult to anyone outthere.
Cheers,
MD