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[QUOTE=You69Me;1567204]I was wondering about the cleanness scent of Slavic Women in the Ukraine and Russia.

As they all eat garlic cabbage peppers raw fat and all the vodka they drink to keep warm.

I have been to many eastern European countries.

Most of these people really stink because of what they eat and rarely take a bath.

Please provide your experience.[/QUOTE]I'm afraid you kept meeting only Gypsies in East Europe.

That said, Gypsie women may be clean, too, but I haven't smelled them; I've only seen them.

I've been impressed with how quickly and well Ukrainian girls clean up themselves, even after chain smoking and boozing. I guess you don't need perfumes or deodorant to stay clean, let alone expensive ones.

Just my two cents.

[QUOTE=SamLondon;1567663]I have to confess that I felt like a total Dic'head after the event. Have you ever replayed a sports-match in your mind and wished you'd have played a different shot?

But they were good, very good! I wasn't even high on anything at the time.

Fortunately, this website is helping me out of my naive middle aged years!

The pro-scammers must be targeting the area around Rio Strip club and Avalon. Its a very well heeled area with plenty of low hanging fresh new dollars around.

Avalon did prove to be a fruitful hunting ground ($200 for the night), but they were all seasoned pros.

I prefer meeting really new and fresh girls, even at a much higher price bracket, something that Kiev should have in abundance!

As I have only been there the once, I would very much appreciate any suggestions or shared experience of where and how?[/QUOTE]You won't need any suggestions or guidance Sam, once your "streetwise" senses kick in, you will be fine.

[QUOTE=Misterxxx;1567583]Well. You wrote that your last "girl" had silicone breasts. Do you think a normal ukrainian girl has silicone breasts...? Or even money for that...? Striptease girls or girlfriends of "rich guys" have silicone breasts. But not normal girls. Not normal students. Your horizon is the upper class. Or the girls who want to belong to that class. But this has nothing to do with the every day life in Kiev or the Ukraine. Two of my past 17 years I spend in the Ukraine. So I know what I'm talking about.[/QUOTE]I see you have serious language difficulties. I said that the silicone lady was a pro. That does put her into another class.

I have spent the last 20 years plus here, quite a few more than you. I have met and bedded a great many non-pros and normal regular girls, all shapes, sizes and classes in my time here, and I still do, and not one had a problem with hygiene. I don't know who you have met but you definitely know the bottom of the barrel it seems, and nothing else.

I'm on vacation now and have been spending the week 'grounding and pounding', as former MLB player Jeff Kent once said. I had a late lunch at a tradition Ukrainian restaurant called 'Taras' in Nivki before going for a walk around the area. Saw two very pretty university students walking and talking. I stopped them, made small talk and gave them my mobile number saying if they needed to earn some extra cash, call me. They smiled very politely and even thanked me.

An hour later I met Oxana at my apartment. She's the 19-year old university student I met a few days back. Strange girl. She insists on speaking Russian and is very animated (in a pleasant way) about everything. She showed up looking sexy in tight jeans and heels. However, its only my second time with her and she's already becoming lazy about sex. Wasn't thrilled about sucking on me (but I insisted) and didn't seemed pleased about doggy style either. Regardless, I gave it to her pretty good and got off twice in an hour no problem. Her pussy is very tight and once I get going its tough not to finish. She wanted to stick around and relaxed but I sent her on her way. She was starting to drive me crazy. Weird girl. I paid her 600 UAH.

Anyway, she allowed me to take a photo of her without any problem. I was surprised considering her shyness about her body. Nice, tight 19-year old for you, boys! Her ass is actually her best feature. Its amazing. Unfortunately she fell on it last night when she was drunk with her friends leaving a sizeable bruise.

[QUOTE=Barba;1567632]What goes in, goes out. I know a pretty girl who eats a lot of pig, and that is reflecting in "her smell". Pig being digested-smell, mixed with pretty girl smell. Anyone wants her phone number? LOL.
But all in all I think the inside often reflected the outside. The pure girls that one can love, smell pure. The dirty minded corrupt vultures smells like they deserve. So maybe take a deep breath of yourself and see what smell your life decisions renders you.

B[/QUOTE]"What goes in, goes out"the inside often reflected the outside". Very well said Barba.

But rather than taking a deep breath of one's self, you should stick your finger in the Ear Hole &check the Ear Wax of your Next Ukrainian date before you stick your fingers and you dick in her other holes.

Diet and Hygiene habits can play a part, but research has shown that whether the body smells or not is Genetic.

Here is the simple test to find out if your girl smells. Look at her Ear Wax. Medical research has shown, people who have Dry rather Sticky Wax are very likely to have ABCC11 gene variant, which means that their body odour doesn't smell.

As for the use or not of Deodorants by Ukrainian & Russian women, only last month Cameron Diaz reignited the debate on (to deo, or not to Deo) ie before the debate here on ISG, when she mentioned that she hasn't worn antiperspirant for almost 20 years.

Another legend Julia Roberts also prefer life au naturel.

I've found most Girls who worked in Perfumery & cosmetics have healthy skin & smell great, besides you save money by not buying them perfumes. Any monies saved, you can spend it on booze & clubbing which they love to do. But to get into their circuit, you need to seduce the first girl. And if she is BI as I've found most of them are, you are in for a great time.

If you have the time, why not cruise perfumery sections in busy well known stores in Kiev.

As for the generalization that Slavic People usually "Smell " Retired British tennis player Tim Henman has been fending off criticism for comments that Czech tennis players are a bit smelly. The comments came when Henman was asked to reveal any gossip from his years as a competitor at the Wimbledon tennis championships. Henman responded by stating ""Well, the Czechs are a bit niffy." Jan Winkler, the Czech ambassador in London expressed his irritation noting "What a surprise Tim Henman has had the time to do so much research into the smell of the male body."

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[QUOTE=Jojosun;1568671]"What goes in, goes out"the inside often reflected the outside". Very well said Barba.

But rather than taking a deep breath of one's self, you should stick your finger in the Ear Hole &check the Ear Wax of your Next Ukrainian date before you stick your fingers and you dick in her other holes.

Diet and Hygiene habits can play a part, but research has shown that whether the body smells or not is Genetic.

Here is the simple test to find out if your girl smells. Look at her Ear Wax. Medical research has shown, people who have Dry rather Sticky Wax are very likely to have ABCC11 gene variant, which means that their body odour doesn't smell.

As for the use or not of Deodorants by Ukrainian & Russian women, only last month Cameron Diaz reignited the debate on (to deo, or not to Deo) ie before the debate here on ISG, when she mentioned that she hasn't worn antiperspirant for almost 20 years.

Another legend Julia Roberts also prefer life au naturel.

I've found most Girls who worked in Perfumery & cosmetics have healthy skin & smell great, besides you save money by not buying them perfumes. Any monies saved, you can spend it on booze & clubbing which they love to do. But to get into their circuit, you need to seduce the first girl. And if she is BI as I've found most of them are, you are in for a great time.

If you have the time, why not cruise perfumery sections in busy well known stores in Kiev.

As for the generalization that Slavic People usually "Smell " Retired British tennis player Tim Henman has been fending off criticism for comments that Czech tennis players are a bit smelly. The comments came when Henman was asked to reveal any gossip from his years as a competitor at the Wimbledon tennis championships. Henman responded by stating ""Well, the Czechs are a bit niffy." Jan Winkler, the Czech ambassador in London expressed his irritation noting "What a surprise Tim Henman has had the time to do so much research into the smell of the male body."[/QUOTE]Jojo,

So, how would that go?

"Hey, Olga / Oxana / Alena / etc.' would you like to try the Georgian Saperavi tonight? Its quite good, I've had it before. Oh, by the way, can I have a sample of your earwax, dear? Yes, that's correct, dear, your earwax. Why? Oh, no reason. I use to be a doctor and am curious about such things. No? Dear, this date doesn't go any further until I can see the product of your ears. Wait ... Where are you going? Huh? What do you mean I'm retarded? We prefer to be called mentally challenged, thank you. Baby, come back! Baby, it was only a joke! Baby.. ! Fuck, I'm going to murder Jojo!

[QUOTE=CanadianBoy;1568824]Jojo,

So, how would that go?

"Hey, Olga / Oxana / Alena / etc.' would you like to try the Georgian Saperavi tonight? Its quite good, I've had it before. Oh, by the way, can I have a sample of your earwax, dear? Yes, that's correct, dear, your earwax. Why? Oh, no reason. I use to be a doctor and am curious about such things. No? Dear, this date doesn't go any further until I can see the product of your ears. Wait ... Where are you going? Huh? What do you mean I'm retarded? We prefer to be called mentally challenged, thank you. Baby, come back! Baby, it was only a joke! Baby.. ! Fuck, I'm going to murder Jojo![/QUOTE]Haven't you had girls sticking their tongues in your ear hole before? Do the same to them and see if anything of color comes out. Yellow&Sticky, then you're Home& Dry.

You would be a great magnet for Perfumery&Cosmetics girls in helping them with their English as many of them work for international brands and have their sights on working or training in English speaking countries. That's what few if them told me and that's how EE girls mainly Polish found work in the best stores in London by being fluent in English. BTW none of them was interested in learning French. I guess Paris or Montreal is not on their Radar.

Ear wax is in fact just brain slowly seeping out.

[QUOTE=Jojosun;1565186]Name & Address of the club and any other relevant details, prices, please?

Many thanks.[/QUOTE]That could be ambrazura. They usually have about 8 to 10 girls present. Prices start at 800 grivna for an hour. [URL]Ambrazura.com.ua[/URL]. Nice place, quality of the girls varies.

[QUOTE=CanadianBoy;1567946]I'm on vacation now and have been spending the week 'grounding and pounding', as former MLB player Jeff Kent once said. I had a late lunch at a tradition Ukrainian restaurant called 'Taras' in Nivki before going for a walk around the area. Saw two very pretty university students walking and talking. I stopped them, made small talk and gave them my mobile number saying if they needed to earn some extra cash, call me. They smiled very politely and even thanked me.

An hour later I met Oxana at my apartment. She's the 19-year old university student I met a few days back. Strange girl. She insists on speaking Russian and is very animated (in a pleasant way) about everything. She showed up looking sexy in tight jeans and heels. However, its only my second time with her and she's already becoming lazy about sex. Wasn't thrilled about sucking on me (but I insisted) and didn't seemed pleased about doggy style either. Regardless, I gave it to her pretty good and got off twice in an hour no problem. Her pussy is very tight and once I get going its tough not to finish. She wanted to stick around and relaxed but I sent her on her way. She was starting to drive me crazy. Weird girl. I paid her 600 UAH.

Anyway, she allowed me to take a photo of her without any problem. I was surprised considering her shyness about her body. Nice, tight 19-year old for you, boys! Her ass is actually her best feature. Its amazing. Unfortunately she fell on it last night when she was drunk with her friends leaving a sizeable bruise.[/QUOTE]Also been with her. She indeed is very lively and she talks a bit funny. Had a great time with her. She charged me 1000 hrivna though. She did not pay attention to the time tho, all in all I had her for about 2 hours, and left when I asked her to leave, because a different girl was about to come.

Funn thing is that when she was with me, in February, she was also bruised. She told me she fell out of a window from the second floor...

I have never approached girls asking them if they want to earn some extra money. How do you bring up that subject into the conversation? You speak Russian?

[QUOTE=Epicurus;1570080]That could be ambrazura. They usually have about 8 to 10 girls present. Prices start at 800 grivna for an hour. [URL]Ambrazura.com.ua[/URL]. Nice place, quality of the girls varies.[/QUOTE]Thank you Epicurus for the link. Never heard of this place mentioned before.

Have you actually been there?

Strange names for their services translated as follows.

Distract machine gunner 30 minutes 800 UAH.

Sturm loopholes from the Western Front 30 minutes 650 UAH.

Storming the loopholes on the rising edge 1:00 800 UAH.

The siege of the loopholes in the rear 1:00 1000 UAH.

Ms. Insidious loophole 1:00 1000 UAH.

"golden rain" + 200 UAH.

Distract the two fighters.

WTF, Double Dutch kinda of Gibberish difficult 2 comprehend or 2 Decipher. Nothing about Storming a Pussy.

Are they located on Maidan behind some kind of barricades?

[QUOTE=Jojosun;1570115]Thank you Epicurus for the link. Never heard of this place mentioned before.

Have you actually been there?

Strange names for their services translated as follows.

Distract machine gunner 30 minutes 800 UAH.

Sturm loopholes from the Western Front 30 minutes 650 UAH.

Storming the loopholes on the rising edge 1:00 800 UAH.

The siege of the loopholes in the rear 1:00 1000 UAH.

Ms. Insidious loophole 1:00 1000 UAH.

"golden rain" + 200 UAH.

Distract the two fighters.

WTF, Double Dutch kinda of Gibberish difficult 2 comprehend or 2 Decipher. Nothing about Storming a Pussy.

Are they located on Maidan behind some kind of barricades?[/QUOTE]

This establishment was mentioned here on this thread several months ago, causing quite a stir, although I think the name was spelled a little differently.

Or maybe they are two different establishments.

[QUOTE=Jojosun;1570115]Thank you Epicurus for the link. Never heard of this place mentioned before.

Have you actually been there?

Strange names for their services translated as follows.

Distract machine gunner 30 minutes 800 UAH.

Sturm loopholes from the Western Front 30 minutes 650 UAH.

Storming the loopholes on the rising edge 1:00 800 UAH.

The siege of the loopholes in the rear 1:00 1000 UAH.

Ms. Insidious loophole 1:00 1000 UAH.

"golden rain" + 200 UAH.

Distract the two fighters.

WTF, Double Dutch kinda of Gibberish difficult 2 comprehend or 2 Decipher. Nothing about Storming a Pussy.

Are they located on Maidan behind some kind of barricades?[/QUOTE]What can I say. Ukrainians have a way with words. Yeah I've been there. It's in the west of Kiev in a mansion / villa. About 30 minutes from the center by taxi. About 50 grivnas if you call the taxi operator and about 60 to 70 if you hail a cab.

The atmosphere is less seedy than the apartments in the center. The girls all live there and rotate every week, at least that is what they told me.

The hostess / madam also changes not all can speak English.

Once you arrive at the villa, you have to call them to be allowed to enter. You are led to the hall, asked for a drink (coffee was free, but had to pay for a bottled water) and explained the menu, classic 800 hrivna, anal extra 200 hrivna, etc... Then the available girls are asked to positiom themselves on the staircase in lingerie and they introduce themselves. You can ask them some questions (who does anal, who likes to partner with which girl for a lesbi show or trio, etc...). Once ypu pick the girl you can choose the room, 200 grivna extra for the loft with jacuzzi, take a shower and then to the place where the magic happens. Only tried it twice, didn't go to the swimmingpool area. They all were very friendly and eager. Enjoyed myself. Before you know it a couple of hours have passed.

One of the things i like a lot is the escort service. They are the only ones I know who truly operate 24/7. So if you have morning wood and no dyevushka around to do something with it, you can give them a call and within an hour the fun can begin.

The girls who work there are from out of town. They work there a week and then they go home for a week.

Does anybody know how much it costs for a Ukrainian passport? I have recently met a girl who is willing to come to Spain with me but she has no passport, she asked for $100 dollars, is this about right? Also what is the time scale?

Which brings me to my second question, I was recently in Spain on the Costa Brava, and I noticed there were lots of Ukrainians / Russians all over the place, I spoke to some Ukrainians who told me they flew from Kiev. When I got home I realised that Wizzair fly to Girona, does anybody know how to obtain a visa for this purpose? Is it shengen or tourist or?

Its my intention to bring the girl to Spain, so, hope you guys can shine some light on this.