FKK Sharks - Darmstadt

Bianca is a bit of a looker I guess, and is slightly arrogant. I have taken her 2 or 3 times, all for half hour sessions. She is nice and a bit reserved. I see a lot of similarities between her and her roomie Esther; both pester me to take sessions and keep pouting that I don't take any sessions with them (when in reality I have taken each multiple times) but after going room, become cool and reserved. Esther also wastes half of the session asking about why I took this or that girl for a long session lasting multiple hours. Huh, how about the other girl didn't waste talking and being jealous of someone else. Anyway, I found her looks less compelling on a recent visit and took neither her nor Esther in multiple days on the trip, first time that happened. I have moved on past both of them.

Anyway, yes some men indulge these girls in their scammy schemes like this 100 E 30 min. Yes, some of them are tourists. I don't know that all of them are tourists. Sharks is a club with more tourists than others I suppose, but there are several clubs where majority or even most men are not tourists. If the schemers depended solely on tourists for their scams and living, they would not obtain very much business. To bash all tourists because some of them got scammed is just another form of stereotyping. How do we know none of the so called locals ever get scammed? Most of the locals don't write here in the first place. This is more a function of infrequent guests getting scammed, if scamming is the right word here (remember, JB took that session on own volition because he needed that kissing). Many locals in their first few forays in these clubs could also fall prey to such schemes. People get better with more experience, whether locals or tourists, and it stands to reason that more locals will become frequent over time, but not every local is an HB with a million sessions under his belt, and there are also many experienced "tourists" like Syzy and UH who are equally experienced and wise to the ways of the girls.

[QUOTE=Jnpr30;2028934]but not every local is an HB with a million sessions under his belt, [/QUOTE]Sharks still has a big percentage of experienced locals. More than any other of the big Hessen five, more than World I'd say.

HB.

[QUOTE=PussyLiccker;2028897]

Personally, I hate dealing with this shit.[/QUOTE]+1.

I hate it so much that tomorrow I am passing on a planned visit to Sharks (like in the last couple of days I'll go somewhere where there is no cheating,) Such girls don't even begin to understand how to be a successful business. I normally budget to spend 500 a day but such girls are losing me to the business. Quite honestly my wife is a lot less hassle LOL. And cheaper

The new Lori that Toto reports on is the pits: girls who turn up at a club just to whine at men about their low earnings, their sick parents, brothers, the price of cigarettes.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2028810]Past beauties like Aurelia and now Megan are now at Globe. Ch for better business.[/QUOTE]How come so many ex Globe girls tell me stories of how slow Globe can be at times then? If business there is so much better. Or is business there just good when you are there to spend money? 😉

The german top 5-10 fkks are busy mainly due to foreigners. And switzerland has less of those I would suspect...

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Some girls offer "good" session for 100 Euro. Usually I asked them: does it mean that for 50 Euro you deliberately provide poor service to upsell service level that is standard in this club? It is funny to hear their answers.[/QUOTE]

It is even funnier if you go ahead and fuck them for 50, and then start acting like she provided the most amazing sexual act you could ever dream of. And then you go ahead telling her how all her friends are upselling 10 things she just did for free, and ask her if she wants to run away and marry you (after the shitty session where she held back).

About Esther, she has a beautiful face. But looks a bit tall in those high heels. Maybe she would have gotten me in if she had walked barefeet to optically seem shorter than she is. Her face really captivated me once in the couch, and other girl got jealous. Esther just laughed. She seems to have a good spirit. But it is no wonder jealousy is heavy at these clubs. Just imagine being in their shoes for once...

[QUOTE=Optimist;2029028]+1.

I hate it so much that tomorrow I am passing on a planned visit to Sharks. These girls don't even begin to understand how to be a successful business. I normally budget to spend 500 a day but such girls are losing me to the business. Quite honestly my wife is a lot less hassle LOL. And cheaper.[/QUOTE]+1.

Yep this is on one way stupid that the girls talk to each other quite often how to cheat in best way clients, make max money with less service and so on. And the girls lie to each other concerning how less they do in room with clients and for what all they charge extra. Usually the club management should work against this and in the past they have done this, maybe most clubs till around 2010 exceptions already exist before like Palace.

But in the last years the clubs doesn't work against this anymore in the same way. Reason for that the meanwhile too many clubs in Germamy are in strong competition especially for the girls. In the last 5 till 10 years more and more clubs based on low entry fee for guys that mean the girls have to generate the money for the club.

But the main reason is the price for a standard 30 minutes session. It's for more around 20 years the same 50 euro but the costs for the girls meanwhile increased, probably double compared 20 years ago. In the same 20 years price for P6 in Thailand for instance is now meanwhile at least 3 times more expansive than 20 years ago. The biggest problem was that the clubs weren't brave enough to increase the price for the 30 minutes session at of 70 euro or maybe even up to 100 euro! The average earnings for the club girls went down in the last 10 years at least by 50%. Germany is still the cheapest and for me best place for P6 in world if you prefer european style girls.

So the girls themselves were thinking how to increase income and created all this upselling extra ideas. It works with the tourists but destroy the mood of regulars. And the clubs let this happen. Really IMHO it would be better some years ago to increase the price instead of this negotiating before session what is included and what not.

Anyway for the next two month nothing will change and after July 1st P6 world in Germany anyway will change and so cheap as P6 was in the past in Germany woun't never be the same.

P.S. I forgot too mention that same price for every girl, so a 6 cost the same than a 10, also doesn't work anymore at German FKK clubs.

[QUOTE=JohnyBravo;2028733]Hello gentlemen,

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- Martina (half Polish half Bulgarian): blond, average body, small tits. Had sessions with her during my visit last year and she was the only one I met in sharks last year who gave me a complete GFE. Wanted to end my day on a sweet note and hence, approached her. She remembered me from last time. We had 10 min pre zimmer chat and then went into the room. Started with with crazy long DFKs and these continued throughout the session. She gave me an out of the world BBBJ, then I gave her DATY, sucked her small soft boobs hard and fucked her in 3 positions. Then had a smoke together inside the room and left the room after 30 minutes. She is not a looker but has excellent technique and GFE attitude. Not a time watcher at all. I highly recommend her to fellow members.

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Cheers![/QUOTE]Glad to hear Martina is still a star performer. My last trip she and I had a few really spectacular rooms. I agree, she's not the model look, but she's 'cute' and provides incredible GFE in the room. Hope she's there when I return in June.

[QUOTE=Craiova;2029047]
But the main reason is the price for a standard 30 minutes session. It's for more around 20 years the same 50 euro but the costs for the girls meanwhile increased, probably double compared 20 years ago. In the same 20 years price for P6 in Thailand for instance is now meanwhile at least 3 times more expansive than 20 years ago. The biggest problem was that the clubs weren't brave enough to increase the price for the 30 minutes session at of 70 euro or maybe even up to 100 euro! The average earnings for the club girls went down in the last 10 years at least by 50%. Germany is still the cheapest and for me best place for P6 in world if you prefer european style girls.

So the girls themselves were thinking how to increase income and created all this upselling extra ideas. It works with the tourists but destroy the mood of regulars. And the clubs let this happen. Really IMHO it would be better some years ago to increase the price instead of this negotiating before session what is included and what not.

Anyway for the next two month nothing will change and after July 1st P6 world in Germany anyway will change and so cheap as P6 was in the past in Germany woun't never be the same.[/QUOTE]- Cannot compare a stagflated modern economy to a highly inflationary growing economy. Yes prices has gone up in thailand 3 fold in the last 20 years, but still the comparable short time rate involves the girls leaving, getting dressed and move to a new location for sex. Price for comparable standards are maybe about 80 euro (at gogo's) but it takes the girls 1 hour to get back in line compared to 30-40 min for the FKK girls. Or 80e at soapies, but there the session is 1h. And long time (rest of the night from gogo's) is just 66% more expensive. Basically the income potential is still slightly higher at FKK's, but the gap has almost completely vanished. The world has turned global, and the customers can go anywhere.

Ofcourse FKK's should have increased the price by maybe 10-15 euros. But you also must look at median income levels for local germans (the 1st pillar), and the stagflated german economy with 0. 5-1. 5% inflation a year doesn't talk about the best outlooks. And seeing how the top clubs rely so heavily on tourists, 100 e would completely kill of that 2nd pillar in their incomes too.

There should be some sort of maximum amount of fkk clubs also. But isnt this one of the new legislations being implemented now? Much like taxi licenses... that would quell the inflated number of clubs and hopefully remove most of the average girls... deffinately no more hessen clubs should be allowed to open (maybe one or two smaller ones should be closed). And in nrw deffinately a few clubs should be forced to close... The biggest expense we are paying for is the time the girls are wasting, doing absolutely nothing.

60/100 for half/full hour makes more sense than 50/100 also. It should never be +100%. From a marketing standpoint that makes absolutely no sense...

One girl I told 'no' a few months ago had the best reply I've heard: <Ok, I will go back to sit on my ass in the couch, doing absolutely nothing then>

Lets see what happens past 1st July before we jump to any conclusions.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2029057]- Cannot compare a stagflated modern economy to a highly inflationary growing economy. Yes prices has gone up in thailand 3 fold in the last 20 years.[/QUOTE]Makes for me as tourist no difference if stagflated or highly infltionary country. An American pays in dollars for P6 in Germany nowadays around the same as 20 years ago but in Thailand now 3 times more! Very simple don't make it so complicated.

[QUOTE=Craiova;2029061]Makes for me as tourist no difference if stagflated or highly infltionary country. An American pays in dollars for P6 in Germany nowadays around the same as 20 years ago but in Thailand now 3 times more! Very simple don't make it so complicated.[/QUOTE]It gets complicated because thailands p6 scene only has the 1 pillar (tourists), while Germany has 2 pillars (locals and tourists). And I think there is a political will to hold onto that.

Or you can go to Saphan Kwai in bkk and spot locals paying 1/3 or 1/4 of what tourists pay at nana plaza... but do we want german fkk's to go the same route?

If you read these pages, one thing you notice is that most of the complaints re: cheating and scamming revolves around kissing. Punters want it and expect it, girls hate doing it or want to get paid more for kissing.

So, one thing club managements could do, especially post July 1, is agree with Craiova's suggestion and raise price to 60 E and make DFK part of the standard service. As BBBJ used to be. Other than some extremely naive newbies, no one gets cheated on BBBJ today and that's because it is included in standard package for 50 E. Doing the same with DFK could solve this problem.

Can't believe this is my thousandth comment here. I shudder to wonder how much time I have spent thinking about FKKs and commenting here since I discovered these clubs a few years ago 😀

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Or you can go to Saphan Kwai in bkk and spot locals paying 1/4 of what tourists pay at nana plaza...[/QUOTE]Same you find in many countries like Russia, Romania, Mexico, Brasil, Kenya and many more. But you don't find this in Germany!

[QUOTE=Craiova;2029067]Same you find in many countries like Russia, Romania, Mexico, Brasil, Kenya and many more. But you don't find this in Germany![/QUOTE]Well, you do have Rom, Atlanta, Bahama, Feigenblatt, Diamond etc etc. But they are not racist on pricing. And I think this is about racism. Thailand, Russia, Mexico, Brazil, Kenya are more rasict... simply put...

And I think you missed my main point a bit. That of the price for tourists around the world meeting up at an equilibrium. At least where flight connections are easy..

[QUOTE=Pistons;2029068]Well, you do have Rom, Atlanta, Bahama, Feigenblatt, Diamond etc etc.[/QUOTE]Wish you luck to get the P6 there for only 1/4 you pay at Sharks. LOL. And every foreigner can go to these clubs as well and get the same for the same price.

And sorry that has nothing to do with racism but is only economical!

[QUOTE=Craiova;2029069]Wish you luck to get the P6 there for only 1/4 you pay at Sharks. LOL.

And sorry that has nothing to do with rasocm but is only economical![/QUOTE]Way to missread me! 😉.

German economy is stronger than the thai economy 😉

[QUOTE=Pistons;2029070]Way to missread me! 😉.

German economy is stronger than the thai economy 😉[/QUOTE]I'm out of this discussion and Oceans is the best club. LOL.