FKK Sharks - Darmstadt

[QUOTE=Optimist;2029229]
Yes you are right, girls can do ok by scamming, but, I like to believe, not as well as the honest girls who are in long rooms for most of the time with regular easy customers.
[/QUOTE]"Easy" is relative and depends on the WG. Some WGs may find the mental aspect of the job to me more difficult than the physical. In other words, 15 minutes CIM for 100 is easier than 60 minutes of chatting on the couch for 100 EUR. The latter requires much more interaction with the customer. The former allows her more time to smoke and chat in Romanian with her friends and pretend she is not in a job that she hates. Drugs, which many WGs use, is often used to numb mental stress, not physical.

[QUOTE=Optimist;2029229]
The German forums are very harsh with detailed reports on girls who are no good so the info gets around.[/QUOTE]Agree that German forums are more useful. But the only people who RTFF are the ones that plan to spend a significant amount of time in the clubs in the near future. If it's some married German man from Munich who has 4 hours free at the end of his business trip and he knows he won't be coming back to FRA any time soon, he won't invest time to RTFF. Trust me, I don't do long rooms, so when bored, I always strike up conversations with other customers. At Sharks, maybe a third of the clientele are casual mongers, who can count on one hand how many times they've been to Sharks. Also I find that I have to physically be in the club and speaking to regulars to put names to faces. Description on forum might be: "Romanian name, dark hair, 165 cm, thin, started working at Sharks two weeks ago, Service grenade!" I can't identify a WG based on such a description! I'd have to already know 75% of the LU to figure out through deduction.

ISG fulfills various needs. When I first became aware of those FKKs, reading ISG made me realize that these are places where I could have a good time and that I should go. "Wow, there are places with dozens of naked attractive girls walking around and you could have sex with any of them for 50 E". There was also useful logistics info, such as how many clubs in FRA, how to get to them, a rough layout, etc. At first, girls' names didn't mean anything; Over time, I learned to look for girls that likeminded members discuss around here on ISG. But for at least the last couple of years, ISG is mainly a social network for me, a place to just chat and share about this aspect of life that's meaningful to me. I suspect this is true for most members who have visited these clubs more than a couple of times.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2029300]I didn't see Milana. Srb at Palace on Saturday 22 April, when was messe.[/QUOTE]So she probably had a day off.

HB.

[QUOTE=McAdonis;2029342]"Easy" is relative and depends on the WG. Some WGs may find the mental aspect of the job to me more difficult than the physical. In other words, 15 minutes CIM for 100 is easier than 60 minutes of chatting on the couch for 100 EUR. The latter requires much more interaction with the customer. The former allows her more time to smoke and chat in Romanian with her friends and pretend she is not in a job that she hates. Drugs, which many WGs use, is often used to numb mental stress, not physical.

Agree that German forums are more useful. But the only people who RTFF are the ones that plan to spend a significant amount of time in the clubs in the near future. If it's some married German man from Munich who has 4 hours free at the end of his business trip and he knows he won't be coming back to FRA any time soon, he won't invest time to RTFF. Trust me, I don't do long rooms, so when bored, I always strike up conversations with other customers. At Sharks, maybe a third of the clientele are casual mongers, who can count on one hand how many times they've been to Sharks. Also I find that I have to physically be in the club and speaking to regulars to put names to faces. Description on forum might be: "Romanian name, dark hair, 165 cm, thin, started working at Sharks two weeks ago, Service grenade!" I can't identify a WG based on such a description! I'd have to already know 75% of the LU to figure out through deduction.[/QUOTE]Some girls are capable, others not. But, money can correct this.

Ok, you can do 150 with quick room, CIM included, less work.

Was the service good? Was there something that makes her not repeatable? 10 min room is a reason.

It's a matter of how the service is carried out still.

The point is to build relationships with clients. If the client is spending significant amount, they will be more inclined to build a relationship, a so called rapport.

Reasons for why names are provided.

The descriptions may not be precise, and the girl may have more general characteristics that the descriptions may not narrow down. Also, there can be several girls with the same name, a descriptions if distinguishing enough, deduces who the girl maybe.

In this case, you'd have to be able to recall and cross-reference her name as she gives it out.

Not all that useful for me to try to recall several names, and figuring out who is who.

But, I think some of the most often mention girls will likely stick with guys, that is if they are an avid forum reader.

For guys more familiar with the LU, it's easier since they know high percentage of girls, but for a newbie, more difficult. You'd have to make an effort with a list compared to a guy that have met and familiar with names of most of the girls.

For me, even with this, I usually don't care for names and go by taste usually, as it's not worth the effort, but if you know a regular that know high percentage of girls, that's a different story. Really easy in that case.

So, it's really worthwhile to meet guys that know girls, and their opinions can be trusted.

Monday (April 24th).

Denisa 24 Russian Blond.

I arrived at 4 pm and walked a little until we stopped in Denisia and she said come fuck me sexy and play with my penis and looked in my eyes and said let's go to the room and I said yes.

In the room she give me DFK without asking and I was so horny and I ask her to fuck and she laugh and put condom start fucking normal position and she come twice and I ask her doggy style and I can't resist any more and I ask her to came in her boobs and she said yes and and DFK gain until cum a huge load every where and we laugh and kiss.

Denisia is a very sexy girl with very good services in the locker she ask for tips and I give her 20 E and she deserve it. Face 8 serves 9.

Second Girl was Carolina Ro 22. Black hair.

Very sexy with Lovely face, I ask her to go the room and she said yes. In the room I kiss her in her lips and play with her pussy until become wet. Normal position for 10 mint she scratch my back and we laugh. The cow girls with kiss until come. 50 E face 9 serves 9.

Wednesday (April 26th).

In Wednesday FKK sharks become another place like a heaven with many lovely girls.

First girl was Betty 21 Ro black hair.

She came to me this girl was slim with fit ass but in the room was amazing super sexy with hot kiss and hot pussy cum quickly love this girl 50 E face 7 serves 9.

Mandy.

Last girl was super super super sexy, I was walking and suddenly find this girl in my face smiling she was from Germany her name was Mandy I ask her are you free and she said yes with lovely smile and we go to the room I was so happy to choose Mandy she is super friendly although she is super sexy she give me very good service without asking DFK and BBBJ very slow and sexy I feel in love with this Mandy and I finished in normal position with kissing. After finishing we took a lot she is super smart. In the locker I give her 70 E and she worth 100 E.

Mandy was my best FKK girls until now unfortunately she was always busy face 10 serves 10.

[QUOTE=PussyLiccker;2029390]Some girls are capable, others not. But, money can correct this.

Ok, you can do 150 with quick room, CIM included, less work.

Was the service good? Was there something that makes her not repeatable? 10 min room is a reason.

It's a matter of how the service is carried out still.

The point is to build relationships with clients. If the client is spending significant amount, they will be more inclined to build a relationship, a so called rapport.

Reasons for why names are provided.

The descriptions may not be precise, and the girl may have more general characteristics that the descriptions may not narrow down. Also, there can be several girls with the same name, a descriptions if distinguishing enough, deduces who the girl maybe.

In this case, you'd have to be able to recall and cross-reference her name as she gives it out.

Not all that useful for me to try to recall several names, and figuring out who is who.

But, I think some of the most often mention girls will likely stick with guys, that is if they are an avid forum reader.

For guys more familiar with the LU, it's easier since they know high percentage of girls, but for a newbie, more difficult. You'd have to make an effort with a list compared to a guy that have met and familiar with names of most of the girls.

For me, even with this, I usually don't care for names and go by taste usually, as it's not worth the effort, but if you know a regular that know high percentage of girls, that's a different story. Really easy in that case.

So, it's really worthwhile to meet guys that know girls, and their opinions can be trusted.[/QUOTE]Don t agree with you at all, a girl can be a disaster for me and a great GFE for another monger, we should not try to put everything in excel files but keep.

Big spaces for unpredictable things but I know some people are not able to manage this aspect of the things and always want to get maximum of safety, reliability etc.

McAdonis. An "easy" customer is girl defined as you were suggesting. Maybe it's just the girls I know but they generally prefer customers who don't fuck solid and also prefer long sessions with time for smoking and chatting.

Yes, you are right not all customers read forums, and even fewer remember (that's me). However the management and girls read the reports on the German forums and are often influenced by them. This is probably more relevant than a customer turning up at Sharks with a list of names (as PL says it is hard to use such a list)

[QUOTE=Optimist;2029455]McAdonis. An "easy" customer is girl defined as you were suggesting. Maybe it's just the girls I know but they generally prefer customers who don't fuck solid and also prefer long sessions with time for smoking and chatting.

Yes, you are right not all customers read forums, and even fewer remember (that's me). However the management and girls read the reports on the German forums and are often influenced by them. This is probably more relevant than a customer turning up at Sharks with a list of names (as PL says it is hard to use such a list)[/QUOTE]After 15 years of FKK I never met a girl who is not preferring chatting or smoking than to be hardly fuck. I know some guys still believe that the girls are looking for strong and big dicks. And to be fucked many hours and of course as hardly as possible.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2029037]How come so many ex Globe girls tell me stories of how slow Globe can be at times then? If business there is so much better. Or is business there just good when you are there to spend money? 😉

The german top 5-10 fkks are busy mainly due to foreigners. And switzerland has less of those I would suspect...[/QUOTE]For my many visits at Globe, mainly between June and December, after I discovered also high level History Liestal and Swiss Dietikon, easier to organize for me there, I met many times Katalina, Isabella, I know from Germany, Isabella since February 2014 at Sharks, then World, I also saw many times Aurelia and Jessika silicon who is Miky there, l discovered top pole dancer Stefi. Ro, now Mio GT also tour there, they never say to me they have problems with Globe staff, they tour for many times. Katalina is still a busy superstar there like she was in Hessen, Aurelia was fired twice from Sharks but never from Globe, Isabella refused to go with many Germans at Sharks and World, she is at Globe since 2015, many other girls work there for many tours, just because they make good business there, better than in Germany. Only girls who return to work in Germany are those who are not able to make good business in Switzerland. If WGs are usually not Nobel awards, they know how to count and pimps also, just higher rates for sex in Switzerland, 140 at Globe, 145 at Bumsalp, 99 at History, 89 at Swiss, versus 50 in Germany, 100 for some extra like CIM or anal when girls make you pay for.

If Anja returned to Germany, I always wrote, even quite pretty and friendly girl, but when you know Katalina, or Lorena, or even Isabella, she just doesn't have Swiss level, mainly for behavior.

I just hope my advice for Megan who did trust me, will be as good for her, than when she was at Mainhattan. It was just my way to thank her and I wish her a very good business at Globe and longer time off to enjoy her real life. Then, I will be proud of my relationship with my regular girls, so weird behavior Isabella I saw so many times refusing guys at Sharks or World, looking at them just like shit, that's why I was so attracted by this natural Romanian blond beauty who was able to say no when she didn't like how a guy came to her, but was also able for very high level when she liked you, and she really improved at Globe, also Katalina welcome when we met on first time at Globe after only 1 room at Sharks, and Megan for our more than 35 1 h30 rooms during 1 year started at Mainhattan, as jolie Sara.

[QUOTE=Optimist;2029455]Yes, you are right not all customers read forums, and even fewer remember (that's me). However the management and girls read the reports on the German forums and are often influenced by them. [/QUOTE]Does Hessen big5 management take action based on forums? The girl that I had issues with at World, had a prior history of complaints on the German forums. Influenced in positive or negative way? The number of reports for Sharks has grown exponentially in the past three years on the German forum, but general consensus is service level is declining.

[QUOTE=Jnpr30;2029065]If you read these pages, one thing you notice is that most of the complaints re: cheating and scamming revolves around kissing. Punters want it and expect it, girls hate doing it or want to get paid more for kissing.

So, one thing club managements could do, especially post July 1, is agree with Craiova's suggestion and raise price to 60 E and make DFK part of the standard service.[/QUOTE]Raising prices would be a risk for clubs at a time when mongers' minds are being put into doubt about the FKK scene.

But regarding kissing I have a general suggestion: DFK should be a lot more common on the couches. In the best clubs (not Sharks) there is DFK, HJ, and sometimes even BBBJ on the couches. OK, maybe BBBJ is too much to ask as a teaser, but DFK should be standard in my opinion.

And why? Simply because DFK is the best predictor of whether a session will go well or not. Even better than conversation I would say. I mean, I can think of the occasional case where I was chatting with a girl and it seemed to go well but then she turned bad in the room much to my surprise and chagrin. But I cannot think of a single instance in my experience where the kissing was good but the sex was bad. Can you?

In a club like Sharks many girls would object to this standard. However, it seems to me that the girls should be just as keen as the guys to avoid bad sessions. If a girl is happy with bad sessions, and especially if she is luring guys into bad sessions, then she is essentially a swindler and should not be encouraged.

As this type of standards is less, there are other alternatives. It just keeps whoever are content around with such services, and pushes the declination in services further.

As new mongers start out in the clubs, they don't have experiences if what used to be, but only what is now. So, that pushes further decline.

Back in the days as I was starting out, I made out in the couches a lot. That's where I came from, and that is different from guys starting out today, unless they are starting out in more reputed service clubs. Which I highly recommend guys to try out various types of clubs to get a perspective. If you live in a bubble, that's your only reference.

[QUOTE=McAdonis;2029532]Does Hessen big5 management take action based on forums? The girl that I had issues with at World, had a prior history of complaints on the German forums. Influenced in positive or negative way? The number of reports for Sharks has grown exponentially in the past three years on the German forum, but general consensus is service level is declining.[/QUOTE]No, I think not. Management will take notice of forums when it is in their interests: I certainly shouldn't have said they "often" do : over enthusiastic writing on my part :)

Forums cannot change trends which are happening for economic/cultural reasons.

Influence? Some girls aware of forums might adapt their approach slightly (I have had a few girls tell me this). Other girls, as you say, don't give a damn as they can make plenty regardless.

Never think that forums are going to have any significant influence.

[QUOTE=JohnyBravo;2028733]

Concluding thoughts: the club has a great LU in terms of number of girls and optics. But many of the girls I met seemed to give average and unenthusiastic service for E 50 for 30 mins. Most of the girls I spoke to were upselling and wanted another E 50 for kissing, DATY and GFE. It's a good place to enjoy seeing very beautiful ladies walking around naked and coming to you trying to convince you to fuck them. But service levels in E 50 for 30 mins can't be assured.
Cheers![/QUOTE]My first visit to Sharks next week. If the girls behave badly, I will give them hell. I will appear as Josef Stalin and Robocop.

[QUOTE=ZimmerBaby;2029699]My first visit to Sharks next week. If the girls behave badly, I will give them hell. I will appear as Josef Stalin and Robocop.[/QUOTE]As long as you continue with tradition and you behave disgracefully, all will enjoy.

Do Enjoy your Southern Nights.

Excess.