FKK Sharks - Darmstadt

[QUOTE=Jnpr30;2029065]
So, one thing club managements could do, especially post July 1, is agree with Craiova's suggestion and raise price to 60 E and make DFK part of the standard service. [/QUOTE]You've got to be fucking kidding me!?

Why raise prices to E60? So that you can have the same lame service for E60 instead of E50? You really think that for E10 difference the scammers, swindlers and the sharks will go like: "but yes of course, for E10 extra I will now kiss!

Paying [b]more[/b] for [u]less[/u] service, that's a bit naive, isn't it? Which business school did you go to? 🙄

The problem is twofold: too many tourists/naive souls willing to pay E50 for substandard service (and probably even dumb enough to give a tip 😡 ), which only lures more and more substandard scammers, swindlers and shark girls to try their luck.

Why not say: "for E50 there is no need (illegal anyways!) to do a BBBJ, so now kissing (not illegal) should be part of the standard package?" We will still lose out on something (due to legal changes) as both used to be included, but at least we're not going to pay [b]extra[/b] for [u]less[/u] service!

Horny, we must be in the same school of economic thoughts called commonsense.

Hi,

I was in Sharks yesterday, LU was actually better than I expected and I saw so many girls just got back from holiday. To be honest, that is probably the first time I felt like sharks' LU had improved in the last two month. I just have this bad experience when I went to the room with this one girl which I do not want to say her name here. So before we went to the room I made it clear that I only want to stay 30 minutes and she agreed with it so we went to the room. Like other people mentioned here before that some girls like to upsell and she happened to be one of them, she tried to get me into CIM which I declined. After that, she gave me a nice BBBJ which I have no complain about. Then I returned the favor did a little DATY and also with FIV. It is quite interesting that I know if we stay 25 minutes or even 30 minutes she would for sure tell me "oh we stay in the room 35 or 40 minutes so it is 100 euros instead of 50 euros which I experienced before with other girls". So right after I finished I suggested we should leave. When I pay her 50 euros she said "oh no it is 100 euros because you put finger in my pussy" I was surprised and she kept saying that " yeah, like we discussed about, back to 3 times we were in the room. " At this point I was surprised by her lying skills, it was my first time did FIV with her and so how come I ever discussed this with her before, more important I have only stayed in the room with her 2 twice before this.

That point I did not want to argue with her, so I went to the locker room get 50 more euros before I handed it over to her I told her if you take this it is our last time talk and see each other, she hesitated a little bit and still tried to convinced me with her BS. That time I was just done with her so did not say anything and let her decided, of course, she took the money at the end.

Anyway, this is my experience with this one girl. Don't think I will talk to her anymore and lesson learned. Other than this incident, I had a great time at sharks yesterday.

Guys, report stuff like what Gaolegao experienced. This provides info for other punters.

Ok, some guys rarely experience this. Wink wink? LOL.

[QUOTE=Gaolegao366;2029771]I do not want to say her name here.

Anyway, this is my experience with this one girl. Don't think I will talk to her anymore and lesson learned. Other than this incident, I had a great time at sharks yesterday.[/QUOTE]Name would be helpful.

HB.

[QUOTE=Gaolegao366;2029771]I just have this bad experience when I went to the room with this one girl which I do not want to say her name here.[/QUOTE]On the contrary. Well, not my business.

Why won't you name her? Its valuable info so others won't fall into her trap. Still trying to protect her after she fucked you good or you afraid she will take revenge? 😂.

If it was me I wudnt pay 50 e extra for this 😡.

Horny Harry. Totally agree. Greedy girls will not be happy with a pathetic (in their eyes) 60 euros per half hour. Even if it were 100 per half hour they would still want more by upselling, like an addiction. They have eyes on the thousands (ok, not per half hour, but certainly tips/gifts) and they all know of true stories where some monger has done some such thing.

[QUOTE=PussyLiccker;2029762]Horny, we must be in the same school of economic thoughts called common sense.[/QUOTE]Common nonsense more likely. Don't you see that people who never get a pay rise in many years get more and more pissed off, and service for a 50 declines, on average across all the girls. It can't go on for ever that girls get paid less and less in real terms (after inflation is considered).

Somehow, sometime, there has to be a price increase, in order to get the same (or near) service we got 10+ years ago. Does not mean I think girls will be happy with a measly 10 Euro price rise after all this time. However a 20% pay rise is better than nothing.

How happy would you be if never got a pay increase for last 5 years, as example?

I don't care at all what greedy girls want. It is more a case of what is reasonable for really attractive girls to make enough money to take this profession.

If one club had the guts to make it 60, it would be interesting to see if customers would boycott them or not. Also interesting to see if many of the good girls would try to move to the club with the higher price. More likely it would be better for the big Frankfurt clubs to all reach an agreement.

Personally I don't care. I am getting relatively good service from repeat girls at 100 Euros for the hour. I like the girls to be relatively happy with what I pay them, not to be in a pissed off mood about it all.

Obviously, it's not an industry that is giving pay raises. Then, people can go for an occupation that has pay raises. Minimum wage has not increased either.

If their complaints are really legit then WG populous would fall drastically. Ro are everywhere, there hasn't been shortfall of them around. So, it is obvious, it is not the rate.

There are differences in such occurrences with clubs, still Ro, the same rate.

Like Optimist says, it's a nature of the business. This ain't your typical company salary job.

Using [URL]http://www.lawyerdb.de/Inflationrate.aspx[/URL], 50 euro's in 2002 when prostitution was legalised (and the euro was introduced in Germany) would equate to 61.21 euro's today.

[QUOTE=PussyLiccker;2029539]As this type of standards is less, there are other alternatives. It just keeps whoever are content around with such services, and pushes the declination in services further.

As new mongers start out in the clubs, they don't have experiences if what used to be, but only what is now. So, that pushes further decline.

Back in the days as I was starting out, I made out in the couches a lot. That's where I came from, and that is different from guys starting out today, unless they are starting out in more reputed service clubs. Which I highly recommend guys to try out various types of clubs to get a perspective. If you live in a bubble, that's your only reference.[/QUOTE]Well said. And if you play your game right, you can still get kissing in most clubs (maybe all) you visit. DFK is a bit harder in public.

I once stayed 40 minutes with a girl where we had agreed on staying just 30 minutes. She said she allowed me because she liked me (meaning I only had to pay her 50). I paid her 70e due to her honesty and integrity. It seems like what ticks people of is this retarded +100% price hike for 1 extra minute. And it is ruining the atmosphere both in the clubs and on the forum. What if the extended time past the first 30 minutes were based on smaller increments of time?

Say you start with 60e for 30 minutes. Then for each 10 minutes added, you pay 15e more? And if she is the one to cut the session short (less than 20 minutes), you only pay her 40e? But only she can make the decission to cut it short?

Or 60e for 30 min (+20e for each 15 min). And the girl only gets 40e if she cuts the session short below 20min...

And then you add freaking stop watches on the inside of every door?

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2029799]Common nonsense more likely. Don't you see that people who never get a pay rise in many years get more and more pissed off, and service for a 50 declines, on average across all the girls. It can't go on for ever that girls get paid less and less in real terms (after inflation is considered).

Somehow, sometime, there has to be a price increase, in order to get the same (or near) service we got 10+ years ago. Does not mean I think girls will be happy with a measly 10 Euro price rise after all this time. However a 20% pay rise is better than nothing.[/QUOTE]You only have a little bit of a point about the pay rise when perhaps you compare the job of a prostitute to that of an unskilled factory worker, but then again Syzygies, just ask yourself the following 2 questions; 1) how much taxes do these girls pay over those thousands of Euros that they pull in every month and 2) how many times did a prostitute ever give you a receipt for her services?

Before you start talking about giving someone a pay rise, perhaps you should also take into account that these girls have basically been living a low tax / taxfree life for 10+ years. By the way, a pay rise is something that the boss/employer gives, not the customer.

Even if she does pay (some) tax as a freelancer / kleine Selbstaendige, how will the Finzanzamt ever know or prove that a girl did a 30 minutes + CIM or anal, as opposed to only a 30 minutes fuck and suck? How will the Finanzamt ever prove that she had 10 customers that day as opposed to only 2? Again, how many times did a prostitute ever give you a receipt during the last 10+ years?

Lets imagine the following scene near the lockers where the WG goes to a cash register and types in the numbers: "Well let's see honey, you had 30 minutes, one blowjob with a CIM, that's E100, (imagine the old-fashioned sound here of a cash register: 🎵 ka-ching) and then you extended for 30 more minutes with anal, that's another E150 ( 🎵 ka-ching!), so that makes a subtotal of E250 ( 🎵 ka-ching!) + 19% VAT ( 🎵 ka-ching! That will be E297,50 ( 🎵 ka-ching! Here's your receipt sweetheart. Will that be cash or credit?"

"Oh, and you're kindly reminded that this does not include service, so please don't forget to add another 15-20% ( 🎵 ka-ching!) to that E297,50 darling" 😤

Horny Harry: They also don't get any employment benefits other taxpayers get. Except for maybe the insurance policy I hear they have at Oase now.

So I already tip most girls nowadays in hessen / nrw. Except if they give poor service. Maybe by doing that, the service I get has increased a bit. Normally just 5e. But sometimes 10 if I have much left on my budget. But I never tip when spending 1h...

First all, we should acknowledge that all these WGs are actually service providers, they are entitled to get fair and reasonable pay. However, Excessive competition between WGs leads to not only a decline in the quality of service but the prevalence of frustration for both sides. There must be a win-win situation.

I have gone with more than 50 girls in the past three years in different clubs. According to my own experience, majority of them accept 100€ one-hour session and would like to provide decent service. They all complained 50€ half-hours session and considered mongers might take advantage through that.

So I think the better pricing structure is to set the minimum service to 1 hour for 100€ instead of the current half hour. After this first initial hour, 50€ for every extension of half an hour.

I am sure most girl will be happy with that.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2029799]Common nonsense more likely. Don't you see that people who never get a pay rise in many years get more and more pissed off, and service for a 50 declines, on average across all the girls. It can't go on for ever that girls get paid less and less in real terms (after inflation is considered)..[/QUOTE]