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[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1902125]I would imagine the gals that work at soapies will not be seen in GoGo bars. Perhaps in some FL venues; but remember, most of those gals speak no English and are more comfortable with Asian guys.[/QUOTE]The soapie girls won't go anywhere near gogo bars or tourist freelancer venues. They'll probably end up in underground brothels where their pay and working conditions will be worse. So much for being 'rescued'.
[QUOTE=ParkVille;1901615]Sometimes this weird stuff happens. I once went to Alina and Colonze2 (also nearby each other) and they were both semi-closed but semi-open. There were people inside, such as wait staff, and people having a meeting, but no girls working that day. Some internal Thai business stuff that day, I assumed. May have also been the case with the 2 you went.
Also, it could just be that they were literally empty of women that night, or had so few working rather. I went to Copa Cabana a month or two ago and the entire bottom floor was empty at 7PM. Had to go upstairs to the model lounge where only 5-8 women were available. A group (as is often the case with local/semi-local asian mongers) could have easily come in and cleared that place out of working women. It seems that even before the raids, soapies were just not doing well talent-wise. So not too surprised to see empty soapies, certainly not thrilled about it either. Really hoping the soapies get better as I prefer daytime action with better looking women than what is at oillies.[/QUOTE]I agree with you, I'm much more a fan of daytime action at soapies instead of oillies. The girls at soapies are just much better looking on average. And I like soapies over go go bars / cowboy / nana because you get straight to the point. No need to buy drinks or spend time chatting up a girl.
In any case, I went back to Catherine's and La Defense a couple days later. Catherine's was still completely empty. La Defense only had a handful of girls, but they were not bad actually. There are two entrances. One for the fishbowl, and one for sideliners. The fishbowl girls were nothing special. But the sideliners were surprisingly nice, Nataree-style. Young, cute, and not too "pro" looking. There were only about 6 sideliners, but they all looked good. Worth checking out if you're in the area. If anyone goes, let me know what you think. I'm trying to find a replacement for Nataree (RIP) and haven't found anything comparable. All the other soapies I've gone to (Colonze 2, Alaina, Emmanuelle, Lords, etc etc) have sub-par girls. The selection I saw at La Defense this last time was closest, though limited.
Is there a farang surcharge at La Defense?
[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1902095]Apparently the owners of a few other massage parlors on Ratchada were silent partners with the owner of Nataree, not silent enough. Even though Alaina massage was found not to have broken any laws, they are closing it down due to the owner's involvement with Nataree. I suspect a few other owners will have a similar problem. Anyways guys, this will improve the freelancer scene greatly. I suspect we will see a huge influx of girls in the clubs as well as the Go go bars. Soi Cowboy and Nana plaza are important tourist dollars for Thailand and will never be influenced too much by crackdowns. For some of you Cheap Charlie's, this will be great news because the prices will drop. Another example is Pattaya. We are seeing raids in many bars but the ones on Walking street always seem to survive because of its tourist dollars. In my eyes this is great news because I love the FL scene.[/QUOTE]Some more information on Alaina. [URL]https://www.stickboybangkok.com/news/alaina-massage-parlour-raided-shutdown/[/URL].
[QUOTE=Optional;1902206]I agree with you, I'm much more a fan of daytime action at soapies instead of oillies. The girls at soapies are just much better looking on average. And I like soapies over go go bars / cowboy / nana because you get straight to the point. No need to buy drinks or spend time chatting up a girl.
In any case, I went back to Catherine's and La Defense a couple days later. Catherine's was still completely empty. La Defense only had a handful of girls, but they were not bad actually. There are two entrances. One for the fishbowl, and one for sideliners. [/QUOTE]Next time, try the Love Boat, next to the old Raddison Hotel (think changed names) on Rama IX. Old favorite of mine years ago. Fishbowl selection is limited but chock full of side-liners. Again, years back no farang surcharge. YMMV.
This is a FR of the recently promoted "Momo" at mango massage. She was heavily advertised as new girl, good massage etc. Her photos didn't look half as bad as well. And as I was particularly keen on not sleeping alone. I picked her for overnight. Was feeling particularly excited esp since I had visited cherry the 2 nights before and had superb service. Expectations were a bit high I have to admit. Lest did I know, the horrors that would partake by choosing this girl.
She arrived 10 minutes late. Okay no biggie. She comes in, flashes a short smile, no warm welcome nothing. Not even a pretense. Then proceeds to walk past me, grabs the remote and switches to a Thai channel, eyes glued to the TV.
I was still trying to take in what just happened. First of, her pictures as why'all probably already guessed was heavily doctored to make it look like she had some fine assets. She didn't. Mediocre at best. She had those curly leg hairs that I once noticed, it was seriously hard to put out of your mind. Its those thick curly leg hairs seem commonly in men.
So, gaining composure. I ran a bath myself. She didn't do a thing. Just sat there watching TV. Now I consider myself a gentleman and I treat women regardless or their occupation with equal dignity. This was just too much.
Still trying to salvage. I decided to make some small talk. Trying to get her comfortable. Caressing her. While she just sat there like a starfish. A dead one. I turned down the volume of the TV. And she turned it up.
Peeved, and the bath almost ready I told her to get in. And she was like wait, I'm watching TV, signaling to the TV (I can't even believe how bad things are turning).
When she eventually gets in the shower. She completely ignores me. And starts playing with the bubbles. With a mountain of patience. I gently caress her. But she continues being a cold fish.
Then comes the massage. Even that she had me lie facing the TV because she wanted to watch it. And it was possibly the worst massage I have ever experienced. She squirted the entire bottle of oil on me. Enough to power a small village. Hated it. Massage was painful. And it was obvious she wanted to delay it so she can watch TV. Asked to to turn around. And she gave a hand job that would bring tears of disappointment to all men. After that "condom?" She asks. No blowjob nothing. Planing to get at least a blowjob I had to signal here to give me one. With much reluctance she did. She shouldn't have. Because it way worse than the hand job. She just licked the tip, used too much teeth and used her hand most of the time. Thoroughly disappointed, asked her to stop and capped my dick and proceeded to pound her. Zero reaction. Her pussy wasn't tight and she was dry as hell even though I tried to stimulate her.
Finally I came, in the condom. Removed it. Washed myself.
Checked the time. Only 1 hour 20 minutes had passed. Couldn't bear be with her any longer. I gave her 3000 baht plus 100 baht (even though it didn't even complete the 2 hour standard outcall time limit) and sent her off. She actually had the nerve to ask "Go now?" because she wanted to watch more TV.
20 year old (she claims).
Face: 4/10.
Body: 4/10.
Attitude: 0/10.
BJ: 2/10.
Massage: 2/10.
WIR: Definitely not.
I'm a 26 year old reasonably fit bloke. This is the worst experience I've had.
[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1902125]I would imagine the gals that work at soapies will not be seen in GoGo bars. Perhaps in some FL venues; but remember, most of those gals speak no English and are more comfortable with Asian guys.[/QUOTE]And don't forget there are many go go bars and g clubs for Thai guys in Bangkok.
[QUOTE=Rajesh26;1903249]This is a FR of the recently promoted "Momo" at mango massage.
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This is the worst experience I've had.[/QUOTE]This is one of the reason punters secure ladies from establishments. You have recourse. Go to Mango in person and tell the mamasan what happened. Don't be angry or over the top. Just briefly and firmly explain what happened and why you were dissatisfied. I am sure they would want to know as a few ladies with like attitudes can kill a brand in the marketplace. And if she is new maybe she did not get the memo on how to treat customers. You might or might not get satisfaction but worth a try.
FWIW I once had a horrible outcall provider from Devils Den Pattaya. Went to the shop the next day and explained what happened. Ended up getting a [I]gratis[/I] redo which was excellent and saved me as a DD customer. The only other time I felt compelled to complain about service was after an incall at Annies; where I was told "next time better" which is code for [I]pound sand farang.[/I].
SL.
[QUOTE=Sunlover2;1903348]This is one of the reason punters secure ladies from establishments. You have recourse. Go to Mango in person and tell the mamasan what happened. Don't be angry or over the top. Just briefly and firmly explain what happened and why you were dissatisfied. I am sure they would want to know as a few ladies with like attitudes can kill a brand in the marketplace. And if she is new maybe she did not get the memo on how to treat customers. You might or might not get satisfaction but worth a try.
FWIW I once had a horrible outcall provider from Devils Den Pattaya. Went to the shop the next day and explained what happened. Ended up getting a [I]gratis[/I] redo which was excellent and saved me as a DD customer. The only other time I felt compelled to complain about service was after an incall at Annies; where I was told "next time better" which is code for [I]pound sand farang.[/I].
SL.[/QUOTE]Agreed. You need to go to Mango or at least call and tell them what happened. That is completely unacceptable service from a PSE place.
[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1903391]Agreed. You need to go to Mango or at least call and tell them what happened. That is completely unacceptable service from a PSE place.[/QUOTE]Well, part of the complaint is that she didn't look as good as she did on the website. What do you expect Mango to do about that? Change the photos to make her look uglier? We all know to be sceptical about photos. And another part is that she wanted to watch TV. Thai girls crave an authority figure to tell them what to do. I think the punter here was just too much of a nice guy. He says during the massage 'Even that she had me lie facing the TV because she wanted to watch it. ' If you give a Thai girl the impression of being weak she'll have no respect for you. Personally I would have pulled the plug out of the TV and given her a firm but playful spanking. More than likely she would have quickly got the message. I also can't for the life of me see why anyone would book a girl he'd never met for an overnight session through an oily MP website. Surely a bar or an escort agency where the girls are used to doing that would be a better choice.
So although I have some sympathy with the customer here, I think it should just be a case of lesson learned for him.
[QUOTE===*****man;1903444]Well, part of the complaint is that she didn't look as good as she did on the website. What do you expect Mango to do about that? Change the photos to make her look uglier? We all know to be sceptical about photos. *snip* So although I have some sympathy with the customer here, I think it should just be a case of lesson learned for him.[/QUOTE]I have zero sympathy for the poster and, while the English is fairly polished, I am deeply skeptical that this is a real post.
[QUOTE=Rajesh26;1903249]This is a FR of the recently promoted "Momo" at mango massage.
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This is the worst experience I've had.[/QUOTE]What stopped you from sending the girl back immediately? You would have at least not had the agony of wasting 3000 baht for such poor service.
[QUOTE=Sunlover2;1903348]
FWIW I once had a horrible outcall provider from Devils Den Pattaya. Went to the shop the next day and explained what happened. Ended up getting a [I]gratis[/I] redo which was excellent and saved me as a DD customer. [/QUOTE]David at DD is a gentleman and he knows how to keep his customers.
[QUOTE=*****man;1903444]I also can't for the life of me see why anyone would book a girl he'd never met for an overnight session through an oily MP website. [/QUOTE]This was my thought exactly and I would add that it is always advantageous to do the girl once or twice on premises before talking it over with HER about a possible outcall.
When I schedule an outcall with an oily massage girl it is because I am fond of her and want to enjoy our time together in a more relaxed and luxurious setting. I always set it up for an early afternoon rendezvous (1pm). I want my girl at her freshest. An overnight with a oily massage girl is problematic for me. I never do it except under very particular circumstances like on her day off. Even the best girl may be tired from a long day at the office and not at her freshest by the time she comes around to see me for an overnight. Generally I think there are better options in BKK for late night.
[QUOTE=Rajesh26;1903249]This is a FR of the recently promoted "Momo" at mango massage. She was heavily advertised as new girl, good massage etc. Her photos didn't look half as bad as well. And as I was particularly keen on not sleeping alone. I picked her for overnight. Was feeling particularly excited esp since I had visited cherry the 2 nights before and had superb service. Expectations were a bit high I have to admit. Lest did I know, the horrors that would partake by choosing this girl.[/QUOTE]On the positive side, you got the white out. Even a bad cum is pretty good. I see reports of guys getting nothing and still paying something to the girl, which is unacceptable. Now for a reality check.
Girl arrives 10 min late = no sympathy. You would expect the same in Mumbai or Bangalore.
Girl does not look as pretty as her pic = no sympathy. As has been posted many times, photos are heavily photoshopped at nearly all sites. You should have expected this.
Girl picked up the remote and started to do her thing = 50% sympathy. She did a very naughty thing, but some girls will try to get away their naughty behavior. When I have a girl over, the remote is hidden, the mini bar snacks are out of sight and if she grabs anything other than the complementary water I put in the minibar, it is a NO GO unless I say so to grab something else. If the girl did such a thing, I would simply grab the remote and turn the TV off, telling the girl TV time starts AFTER my first cum. If the girl really cares about her program, she will get down to business. If she doesn't, just pick up your mobile and start to call the shop. You won't get to "ha-roooh" before she has your member in her mouth. On the chance that she lets you get to "ha-roooh", inform the shop that you are sending the girl back because she only wants to watch TV. You will probably be asked to put the girl on the line, where she will get a severe bollocking from the Boss and things will fall into line from there.
Others have nailed it. If you aren't running your provider, your provider is running you. Learn from it. Get over it. Get back into the game and manage it better next time. Enjoy BKK, AsianRain.
[QUOTE=Rajesh26;1903249]I'm a 26 year old reasonably fit bloke. This is the worst experience I've had.[/QUOTE]I found this post confusing. I suspect is Rajesh a rank novice. Signs, expecting the girl to look like her site pic and not taking control of the situation immediately. Taking control doesn't mean shagging her 2 minutes after she arrives but it does mean it's your agenda and not hers that drives the encounter. What I found confusing was why the girl would behave as badly as described when she wasn't going to be paid until the session finished. Surely she must know that there was a good chance she would be asked to leave without her fee and reported to the shop and why tip her. Confusing.