FKK Sharks - Darmstadt

[QUOTE=JohnEllee;2029848]First all, we should acknowledge that all these WGs are actually service providers, they are entitled to get fair and reasonable pay. However, Excessive competition between WGs leads to not only a decline in the quality of service but the prevalence of frustration for both sides. There must be a win-win situation.
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So I think the better pricing structure is to set the minimum service to 1 hour for 100 instead of the current half hour. After this first initial hour, 50 for every extension of half an hour..[/QUOTE]I am willing to help these girls If they'd like to provide quality service, and know how to respect the guests.

Among 150 WGs in Sharks, how many of them deserve so called "minimum one hour 100 euros payment"? Maybe less than 40%.

The proposed pricing structure will make half of Sharks girls out of FKK business.

I did spend more than 1200 euros on Sandra De, 1500 euros on Nicoletta Hu, 1100 on Megan Ro. And there are 15 other girls I spent on them from 100 to 900 euros since 2015. And about 30 girls, I spent total 1500 E on them, and considered it worthless.

[QUOTE=HornyHarry;2029704]Why raise prices to E60? So that you can have the same lame service for E60 instead of E50? You really think that for E10 difference the scammers, swindlers and the sharks will go like: "but yes of course, for E10 extra I will now kiss!
Why not say: "for E50 there is no need (illegal anyways!) to do a BBBJ, so now kissing (not illegal) should be part of the standard package?" We will still lose out on something (due to legal changes) as both used to be included, but at least we're not going to pay [b]extra[/b] for [u]less[/u] service![/QUOTE]I think it will be 60 or more with less service as the new law should make illegal all bb (maybe also FK, touch, some dangerous positions for condom later) and a raise on living costs for foreign girls.

I do not understand this law as if sex is dangerous then the true decision should be to make it illegal. It will solve a lot of problems as in about one hundred years, the last man on earth will die.

There's a competition in all said developed countries: who will be the most stupid. Germany was late, but grossmutty Angela did a good job. I would say, she clearly is one of those people thinking sex is not essential for life. We can import from africa. Yes we can.
No sex, no work, no liberty, no people. We can import, yes we can.

[QUOTE=HappyFkk;2030139]I think it will be 60 or more with less service as the new law should make illegal all bb (maybe also FK, touch, some dangerous positions for condom later) and a raise on living costs for foreign girls.

I do not understand this law as if sex is dangerous then the true decision should be to make it illegal. It will solve a lot of problems as in about one hundred years, the last man on earth will die.

There's a competition in all said developed countries: who will be the most stupid. Germany was late, but grossmutty Angela did a good job. I would say, she clearly is one of those people thinking sex is not essential for life. We can import from africa. Yes we can.
No sex, no work, no liberty, no people. We can import, yes we can.[/QUOTE]Thanks for sharing your point of view, let us may be see the things from the german woman side many of them are upset by the over easy availability of cheap sex and are complaining that their husband or boyfriend's prefer visit a FKK than to stay with her and discuss about the problems if any.

[QUOTE=HappyFkk;2030139]I think it will be 60 or more with less service as the new law should make illegal all bb (maybe also FK, touch, some dangerous positions for condom later) and a raise on living costs for foreign girls.

I do not understand this law as if sex is dangerous then the true decision should be to make it illegal. It will solve a lot of problems as in about one hundred years, the last man on earth will die.

There's a competition in all said developed countries: who will be the most stupid. Germany was late, but grossmutty Angela did a good job. I would say, she clearly is one of those people thinking sex is not essential for life. We can import from africa. Yes we can.
No sex, no work, no liberty, no people. We can import, yes we can.[/QUOTE]This law seem to aim to protect prostitutes health from diseases risks from AO sex, BBBJ. Also for girls sleeping in beds where they are fucked all day. So, even not German, I agree with this law and I don't worry at all about this new law, paid sex will stay legal in Germany after 1 July, pretty girls will stay pretty, GND will stay GND, and I'm sure most of good services girls will keep good behavior. Nothing will change for me, even a very known writer, but who never write what happen in room.

About upselling and lower level, now at Sharks, it has nothing to do with future law, 100 Romanian girls there don't even know what is new law. I seem to be lucky at Sharks because I didn't experience with Mandy and Gloria, my only Sharks 2017 girls, when I have already more than 30 1 h30 rooms on 2017 with a LR girl. Times changed. But I also think upselling and girls behavior and level, depend on guy behavior, if we find the key we can make the girl behave in different way. Each one his game, many nice girls at the moment for my game, too many with Switzerland. I don't need to lose my time with upselling, most often because unskillful and lazy, girls.

[QUOTE=HappyFkk;2030139]I do not understand this law as if sex is dangerous then the true decision should be to make it illegal.[/QUOTE]Doesn't mean I agree with the BBBJ-ban, but the rationale behind it is the girl's health. And making it illegal and putting a fine on it for the guys only is to strengthen the girl's position. As I said, I don't agree.

HB.

[QUOTE=Jnpr30;2030054]You are a twerpy little chipmunk, aren't you?! 😀 Never mind which school I went; wanting all for a 50 doesn't make you well schooled, it just makes you a cheapskate. You should skip FKKs and go to Tijuana or some cheap third world place to fit your budget. Happy hunting.[/QUOTE]As I am one who wants all for 50 euros I would answer that I am not a cheapskate (I would wouldn't I :D!). If a girl provides good service for 50 then she finds that I am a good customer, both financially and in other ways, almost certainly repeating in longer sessions. That's just my way of doing business. I don't see why I should pay more than 50 for uncommitted service though. You have your business model which suits you: just because I disagree doesn't make me a cheapskate. If I am cheapskate are you "spendthrift?" :)

I have absolutely no trouble finding girls who are willing to do business with me on my terms.

HB.

Yes, the health issue is relevant (although its use as a rationale for the new law is specious). The longterm health effect of being a prostitute (increased risk of cervical cancer, sexually transmitted diseases) is one consideration which might justify a small increase in price maybe. Very few girls have the mental stamina to work more than five years, after which they are on the employment scrapheap, unless they have saved their money to open a business etc.

Sirioja. Excellent clear summary. Should be handed to each man entering Sharks

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2029965]
Do Mandy or Sandra need to upsell? Of course they don't, they give good services even for only 50 , even I m not a 50 guy. Good services girls don't need to upsell to make good money, Sandra was quite busy just because of her nice behavior. In German FKK, some good girls make more than 15000 per month. Girls who upsell are not the best level.[/QUOTE]Indeed, Mandy and also Lucy Palace (at least in my limited siightings of her) are two girls who doesn't need to upsell and allways have guys waiting. Artemis Carrie also if she didn't turn most guys down (LOL, she doesn't like money). But there are extremely few of these girls that I know of. Maybe countable on one or two hands across all of Germany.

Smart girls get time extensions from me when I loose track of time and feel like I am in utopia. If the girl is pro (not the mechanical type of pro the girls think about) enough, I will extend maybe up to half the time. Like I do for example with Aksena at Artemis. And not upselling is part of her pro attitude. I remember Carly Oceans (Kathy at Wellcum) and Aja Paradise as well as Alexia Sharks (also been at GT Vienna) had the same pro attitude... can also add more girls to the list such as Milli and Juliette Artemis, maybe Jeanette Oase and with me small Adelle Oase, May Oase, Marlyn Sharks, Maggie Palace, Crina Palace, and both Eleny and Alina Oceans are moving towards there but still are young.

Sometimes that proness can be ymmv, but not allways...

On top of that there are girls who are just fun, and not allways as sensual. So you extend with them because of pesonality. Like young Andre Oase for example on a good day. Not everyone is the same...

[QUOTE=Jnpr30;2030054]You are a twerpy little chipmunk, aren't you?! 😀 Never mind which school I went; wanting all for a 50 doesn't make you well schooled, it just makes you a cheapskate. You should skip FKKs and go to Tijuana or some cheap third world place to fit your budget. Happy hunting.[/QUOTE]Cheap is a relative term.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2030261]Indeed, Mandy and also Lucy Palace (at least in my limited siightings of her) are two girls who doesn't need to upsell and allways have guys waiting. Artemis Carrie also if she didn't turn most guys down (LOL, she doesn't like money).[b] But there are extremely few of these girls that I know of. [/B]Maybe countable on one or two hands across all of Germany.

Smart girls get time extensions from me when I loose track of time and feel like I am in utopia. If the girl is pro (not the mechanical type of pro the girls think about) enough, I will extend maybe up to half the time. Like I do for example with Aksena at Artemis. And not upselling is part of her pro attitude. I remember Carly Oceans (Kathy at Wellcum) and Aja Paradise as well as Alexia Sharks (also been at GT Vienna) had the same pro attitude... can also add more girls to the list such as Milli and Juliette Artemis, maybe Jeanette Oase and with me small Adelle Oase, May Oase, Marlyn Sharks, and both Eleny and Alina Oceans are moving towards there but still are young.

Sometimes that proness can be ymmv, but not allways...[/QUOTE]And what clubs are you most adamant about? Artemis, Palace, Oase, Paradise, Oceans?

When a lot of us talk about services levels in clubs, we don't mean the few around in the sharkiest clubs.

Anyway, for me, it's highest chances of chances of a girl my type I'd meet in clubs that are no landmines, ripoffs, etc. Certainly, service is important. And this has to do with, within the percentage I find attractive, their service level. Have I had a history of good outcomes in this criteria? If not, not a club I would be visiting often or at all.

There can be a LU all stunners, and if the services are mediocre, not worth it.

[QUOTE=PussyLiccker;2030265]
When a lot of us talk about services levels in clubs, we don't mean the few around in the sharkiest clubs.[/QUOTE]For service I could add 50 more girls. But looks needs to be 9+ also. And if you go to your smaller clubs, are you telling me that the top girls there do not have any idle time? Because that was the context of my comment there that you highlighted in bold. About idle time for the girls... and if so, why should anyone bother going to a small club if the top girls there are busy all day long? :p

(I have no idea why you added Paradise in there. It had 1 top girl. Rest very average. And nice VIP room for Formula 1!)

Some of us are risk takers who like dangerous atmosphere. Others wants it safe with strict rules. The bigger the club, the higher the chances for bad apples ruining atmosphere for both guys and girls. But also the higher chances for top girls to make lots of money...

[QUOTE=Pistons;2030261]Indeed, Mandy and also Lucy Palace (at least in my limited siightings of her) are two girls who doesn't need to upsell and allways have guys waiting. Artemis Carrie also if she didn't turn most guys down (LOL, she doesn't like money). But there are extremely few of these girls that I know of. Maybe countable on one or two hands across all of Germany.

Smart girls get time extensions from me when I loose track of time and feel like I am in utopia. If the girl is pro (not the mechanical type of pro the girls think about) enough, I will extend maybe up to half the time. Like I do for example with Aksena at Artemis. And not upselling is part of her pro attitude. I remember Carly Oceans (Kathy at Wellcum) and Aja Paradise as well as Alexia Sharks (also been at GT Vienna) had the same pro attitude... can also add more girls to the list such as Milli and Juliette Artemis, maybe Jeanette Oase and with me small Adelle Oase, May Oase, Marlyn Sharks, Maggie Palace, Crina Palace, and both Eleny and Alina Oceans are moving towards there but still are young.

Sometimes that proness can be ymmv, but not allways...

On top of that there are girls who are just fun, and not allways as sensual. So you extend with them because of pesonality. Like young Andre Oase for example on a good day. Not everyone is the same..[/QUOTE]Unfortunately, Lucy. De upsell now, after her holidays, being asked by other Palace girls to upsell for DFK. We had 4 1 hour really enjoyable rooms before her holidays when I enjoyed she did trust me, thank to your and take posts, but I preferred to stop and lose 50 on fifth room. I will never pay extra for DFK, Lucy was lovely but not a top kisser, when I meet top passionate kisser without upselling.

Girls who are top kisser, never upsell, because they know it makes them have business. Girls who ask for extra, are fake kisser.

Thanks to Lucy who was lovely for our 4 first room, but too frustrating on fifth, as I said to her.

Some high level girls work for 40 or 50/30 mn without upselling, and make 15000 per month, when average Romanian salary is about 300 per month. But it's very bad and difficult job. I m always happy for them when my girls say to retire or take time off.

[QUOTE=Optimist;2030189]As I am one who wants all for 50 euros I would answer that I am not a cheapskate (I would wouldn't I :D!). If a girl provides good service for 50 then she finds that I am a good customer, both financially and in other ways, almost certainly repeating in longer sessions. That's just my way of doing business. I don't see why I should pay more than 50 for uncommitted service though. You have your business model which suits you: just because I disagree doesn't make me a cheapskate. If I am cheapskate are you "spendthrift?" :)

I have absolutely no trouble finding girls who are willing to do business with me on my terms.[/QUOTE]No. Unless you are Harry's keeper now, my comment was not directed at you in anyway. I expressed my view on pricing and service here as we all do, but he was compelled to move in and take a personal potshot at me for reasons of his own, and unfortunately I replied in kind. But if you need to jump into the fray in support of him, feel free.

Anyway, in my original comment I inserted the word "if" (but apparently many commenters here chose to ignore that word or don't understand it). As in, if the club mandates DFK with the 60 pricing, just as they do with BBBJ now, I will be supportive. (It is a bit moot for me personally in any case because I don't need DFK with most girls unless they are my special ones, which are just 5 or 6 in 4 years). Right now, if a girl refuses to give BBBJ you can refuse to pay or go and complain. But no such provision exists for DFK and 80% of the complaints here are "girl x sharked me, didn't give DFK". It's almost as if lack of DFK is synonymous with scamming and sharking around here. NOw, if the club unilaterally mandated DFK as part of 50 E girls would be up in arms, and if they raised prices to 60 with nothing in return, guys would revolt, but DFK included for 60 E finds a happy medium. If the girl refuses to DFK, the guy can then approach the front desk.

Whether this is workable or not is unclear to me, and no one knows for sure until such a rule is truly implemented, but it is an idea. No better or worse than any other idea (s).

No, not taking sides. Your comments just made me think so I commented (in, I hope, a good natured way).

Yes, I do see refusal of DFK as sharky. But then, as PL pointed out, customers like me who have been around since 2002 in FKK are more likely to have that view. And as you say, DFK is not important for you so you will see things very differently to me. DFK used to be the invariable standard service, as near to 100% as makes no difference.

Anyway, I certainly didn't mean you to feel I was wading into a fray against you, so apologies if I gave that impression. On reflection, IF your idea could be made to work at Sharks (which I don't think is possible) I would reluctantly pay 60. As you say, it is as good as any other person's ideas (except of course mine which are always the only correct ideas :D (self deprecating irony warning).

Still, plenty of workers in many clubs offering excellent service for 50 or under.

Cheapskate Optimist