Ciudad Juarez

I arrived in Juarez yesterday afternoon and decided to take a drive through El Centro. As you know, the streets are narrow and there are lots of pedestrians. I stopped to let a family cross and was very shortly thereafter signalled to pull over by 2 bicycle cops. They gave me a thorough shakedown, searching everything including a pat down. It was a male, mid-20's and a female, not unattractive (I couldn't help but notice) about the same age, both on bikes. The male told me he pulled me over because I had stopped in the middle of a lane of traffic. After some BS about the transito delayed by 1 hour at an accident, the male cop asked me how I'd like to handle it. In spited of what I'd read on this and other forums, I wanted to play it cool before offering him a bribe, so I said I'd like to pay the fine here and now. He said ok, but he asked me to be discreet, as there were cameras about. I managed to seperate a 500 peso note from my wad in my pocket and slipped it to him and I went on my way.

So did he take advantage of my faulty driving to make a few bucks, or was my driving only an excuse to extort money. I was considering the fact that I had heard that crime was up in Juarez and perhaps his superiors told him to stop everyone who looked suspicious (I was driving a cadillac, driving slow and looking around. Could have been the actions of a drug dealer I suppose).

But later that day, he removed all doubt. It was a Thursday night, I was making my usual rounds of the clubs, (Hollywood, Queens, A&C, etc.) and I was ON FOOT. Here come the same pair of cops on bikes. Again, he "pulls me over" and asks for my ID. No traffic infraction, no possible infraction at all. I was just walking down the street. I asked him "don't you remember me from earlier?" He shook his head no, then I saw the realization dawn on him. He told me to take care of myself and sent me on my way.

It seems to me that this is a clear case of this pair stopping any gringo they see and shaking them down for cash. This was a Thursday night and there were few, if any other gringos around. I wonder what it would be like when the town is full of UTEP students. They going to be stopping everyone? It was clear that they stopped me strictly because I'm a gringo. This pair is a menace and I wish there was something that could be done. Just another reason to avoid downtown.

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Why are so many of "our" relative locations "marked for deletion in 8 days"?

Not just the clubs but some of the hotels too.

[QUOTE=Guapo Grande]But later that day, he removed all doubt. It was a Thursday night, I was making my usual rounds of the clubs, (Hollywood, Queens, A&C, etc.) and I was ON FOOT. Here come the same pair of cops on bikes. Again, he "pulls me over" and asks for my ID. No traffic infraction, no possible infraction at all. I was just walking down the street. I asked him "don't you remember me from earlier?" He shook his head no, then I saw the realization dawn on him. He told me to take care of myself and sent me on my way.

It seems to me that this is a clear case of this pair stopping any gringo they see and shaking them down for cash. This was a Thursday night and there were few, if any other gringos around. I wonder what it would be like when the town is full of UTEP students. They going to be stopping everyone? It was clear that they stopped me strictly because I'm a gringo. This pair is a menace and I wish there was something that could be done. Just another reason to avoid downtown.[/QUOTE]
I would've gone with the gringo in the Cadu on the traffic stop raising an eyebrow but the on-foot incident is interesting.

A few months back I was stopped THREE times - all on foot - by the bikes. The first time was the full shake with nothing missing at the end. The main questions was the drugs thing and if I was drunk (no). And asking how much money I had, after it was removed from my pocket - like a quiz to see if I knew. This was by the Las Vegas corner right after I came thru the Plaza.

The 2nd time was by Ano and the first thing I said when I handed my ID over was "I just talked with you guys down the block" It was over an hour in the past and I told him so. He radioed out then handed me my ID and said "Have a good night and be careful". They always seem to want to gauge how much Spanish I speak/know and asking me that is always first. They seem to speak better English than they did last year.

Later on, on my way to Casa, one was propped against a wall with his bike next to him. He was on his cell and stopped to ask where I was heading. When I told him "Casa Colorado" he said "where?". "Casa Colorado - San Souci - right there! (pointing)". "Oh, OK - have fun".

It was a very odd night and they were virtually everywhere. These events of late convince me to get a cheap room whenever I cross the river. A place to keep the 'surplus', do any accounting, and to have a rest stop area when I want a breather. It's been paying off, on nights like that.

I started doing that after seeing a big increase in the cholo atmosphere last fall. Between that and the Policia, I think it's a good bet for me as I never take the plastic with me for obvious reasons.

[QUOTE=Guapo Grande]I wanted to play it cool before offering him a bribe, so I said I'd like to pay the fine here and now.[/QUOTE]

That is exactly what you did. You offered a bribe with other words, thats all. Remember this, be cool and play stupid. You could have either forced him to issue you a ticket or let you go or possibly put him in a position to out right ask for the bribe.

Once I got caught in traffic, the light changed and the rest is a blur. A corner cop told me to pull over. I played stupid waiting for the pitch and none came. I then expected a ticket. None was issued even though one could have been legitimately issued.

Another time a corner cop pulled me over for not "stopping" properly at a stop sign. Again, I waited for the pitch and none came though there was a hint as to how inconvenient it is to pay a ticket at the firehouse. A ticket was issued for 13 dollars. If it had come up she probably would have wanted 20 bucks.

That cop you gave 50 bucks to probably thought it was his lucky day. Shame on you for bribing a cop, you owe us all a massage.

As for Angie I hope you find her. Angie has an ass made for doggie. She is a good chica and lots of fun. Its been a while.

Keep having fun
Mugroso

[QUOTE=Cienega32]I think it's a good bet for me as I never take the plastic with me for obvious reasons.[/QUOTE]

Smooth move, you don't want anybody, cop or cholo, taking you to an ATM machine. With the exception of my debit card, I have no cards that have a PIN number. I always decline when they want to activate one for me.

Mugroso

[QUOTE=Mugroso]Smooth move, you don't want anybody, cop or cholo, taking you to an ATM machine. With the exception of my debit card, I have no cards that have a PIN number. I always decline when they want to activate one for me.

Mugroso[/QUOTE]
I worry more about the cops. I remember hearing stories about them making you max it, holding you till the next day and max it again. It was TJ and during a time when there more fake cops than real cops but hey... why risk it anyway.

[QUOTE=Mugroso]That is exactly what you did. You offered a bribe with other words, thats all. Remember this, be cool and play stupid. You could have either forced him to issue you a ticket or let you go or possibly put him in a position to out right ask for the bribe.

In my case, he made it clear that I would have to wait an hour for the transito to arrive, then go somewhere the next day to pay the ticket. It was pretty clear he wanted to be paid off.[/quote]So what's the recommended course of action? Play dumb and wait til they outright ask for dough, then refuse? Call his bluff (he probably wouldn't have wanted to wait around for an hour either) expecting he'll eventually let me go? Accept the ticket and handle it the legal way? Or do what I did (except that next time I'll offer $20) and pay him off?

[QUOTE=Guapo Grande]So what's the recommended course of action? Play dumb and wait til they outright ask for dough, then refuse?[/QUOTE]

That is correct. As far as refusing play that card to until you feel actually threatened.

[QUOTE=Guapo Grande]Call his bluff (he probably wouldn't have wanted to wait around for an hour either) expecting he'll eventually let me go? Accept the ticket and handle it the legal way?[/QUOTE]

Chances are they will not out right ask for a bribe. They will make the situation an inconvenience for you hoping you will just offer. Intimidation is a tool of theirs.

You see, Mexico is trying to clean up their act. There are those of little faith even in Mexico. Mexicans are victims of police corruption as well. But they are trying. In the "old" days the police would make no bones about what they want.

I know I came of a little harsh responding to your post but I just ticks me off to see us get jacked up down there.

Mugroso

[QUOTE=Cienega32]Why are so many of "our" relative locations "marked for deletion in 8 days"? Not just the clubs but some of the hotels too.[/QUOTE]

Interesting. I bet they used some kind of key word search to look for "inappropriate" markings. But why would they delete hotels as well?

Mugroso

[QUOTE=Mugroso]Interesting. I bet they used some kind of key word search to look for "inappropriate" markings. But why would they delete hotels as well?

Mugroso[/QUOTE]
Over by Villa Manport, at the park across the street, I had inserted the bus stop and the taxi stand. The taxi stand is marked for deletion.

I also notice that the bullring had "abusive" tags on the entries (which I made a harsh comment about) - those are now gone; the "abusive" tags.

I think someone is on a crusade.

I notice the Tijuana entries are intact - complete with prices...

Looks like I'll be in EP for a 24 hour business next week (in Monday night, out Tuesday night). If you were in my shoes - or more correctly, in my condom - what would be your preferences? I will be arriving around 8 PM and have a meeting first thing the morning so I won't have much time at all but can't pass up the opportunity for a quick pop or two. What hotel would be the closest to the bridge and what bar or MP would offer up good service to a traveler on a short schedule? Thanks in advance for your advice!

[QUOTE=Benton Quest]Gentlmn Mongr. What a cute little fucklet. The pissing-in-the-sink shot is a classic. Hope to be in El Paso on business in August. Think I'll have to have some of that ass if she's still around. Thanks for the excellent report and pix![/QUOTE]Benton Quest you answered your own question in the photo gallery. You can count out the MPs as you will be arriving late. The bars will be dead as hell and a few closed being a Monday. Head over to the Panama Club. With some luck Jessica will be there.

Mugroso

Gentlemen,

Can you please help a novice? I am in El Paso on business, and plan to go to whatever part of Juarez you are all visiting!

I need basic information. Where do I park in El Paso (I want to leave my car there, and do Juarez by foot)? Do I cross at the Santa Fe Bridge by the Abraham Chavez Theatre?

I don't want to fall victim to 'guides'. Where do I go from the border, how do I get to the right neighborhood, what establishments should I visit, and how much $$ should I bring for 2-3 sessions?

[QUOTE=Chris Kallasch]Gentlemen,

Can you please help a novice? I am in El Paso on business, and plan to go to whatever part of Juarez you are all visiting!

I need basic information. Where do I park in El Paso (I want to leave my car there, and do Juarez by foot)? Do I cross at the Santa Fe Bridge by the Abraham Chavez Theatre?

I don't want to fall victim to 'guides'. Where do I go from the border, how do I get to the right neighborhood, what establishments should I visit, and how much $$ should I bring for 2-3 sessions? [/QUOTE]Hi Chris,

This is my "Guide to Cd. Juarez, Mexico, and it’s Famed Locations. " as a "former-tour guide" and resident of Cd. Juarez and El Paso. This experience was typically provided for US $50 per man including translation services, but for my buddies on this site it serves as my contribution, so enjoy.

Getting There (Cd. Juarez): Park your car on El Paso street near the bridge and pay US $4 for all day, secure parking. Pay US $0. 35 to walk across the downtown bridge. And keep US $0. 35 for the return trip.

Ave. Juarez:

You are now on Avenida Juarez: No brothels exist on Ave. Juarez unless you walk about 6 blocks and there will be three hotels. One hotel, (#A, ) will have a long stairway up to the second floor. The other hotel, (#be, ) alongside of it charges US $20 per night, but no ladies can enter. Across the street from both hotels is yet another hotel, (#see, ) with a flock of street walkers standing in-front.

The hookers in-front of hotel #see charge US $25 per session or US $80 for all-night. Typical Cd. Juarez sessions are 30 – 40 minutes. These girls are of various quality usually trick within hotel #see. Hotel #see charges US $13 per room, per night, with maid service and television. You're best bet is to rent your own room before buying the girl, otherwise you'll be charged US $5 for a one-hour room rental. Additionally, by having this room rented during your selection process for the night will give you a place to return should you desire. Some of the girls live in the hotel with their children and some do not. Should you happen to get a girl who lives in the hotel then you'll have a great time with her and her friends. No beverages are sold, but you can bring whatever you like into hotel #see.

Hotel #A with the huge staircase turns tricks quickly. Standard CD. Juarez room rates are US $5 per session and US $20 per girl, per session. This hotel has about 15. 20 girls in-front of its entrance and upstairs.

Hotel #be is a quiet hotel with 8 rooms simply for sleeping and no visitors.

Ave. Mariscal:

This is strip club / *****house central!

As soon as you cross the downtown El Paso bridge, Ave. Mariscal is one-block to the right (west side.) Walk about 2 blocks along Ave. Juarez until you see that huge billboard on the corner and turn tight entering Ave. Mariscal. There is a house with about 7 girls charging US $25 per 30-minutes. This house is across the street from "Club Hollywood. " "Club Hollywood" charges US $2 per beer; same price for girls; but the girls take you up the street about two or three blocks to the hotel they turn tricks at.

One block south of "Club Hollywood" is another strip club charging similar prices, but the rooms are upstairs. 1/2 block south of "Club Hollywood" along Ave. Mariscal is "Club Delicias. " They have rooms available next door and 5 mature women within the bar. Across the street from "Club Delicias" is another hotel that serves about 3 or 5 girls at similar pricing. Another 1/2 block south along Ave. Mariscal are the "Burrito Stands. " Many street hookers work here, but they may be under the influence. On this very same corner is "Club Irmas: " Another strip club with two floors: Upstairs is VIP for US $10 per beer and downstairs is where everyone is at. VIP is not worth it! Similar prices for girls here as well. And they are usually staffed with 15 or so young ones. Walk along Ave. Mariscal for another block and many cantinas exist. These cantinas serve mostly beer, but anyone and everyone is for sale along Ave. Mariscal including bartenders and wait staff at the standard rate mentioned several earlier. Another block south along Ave. Mariscal is "Club Panama, " which mostly caters to truck drivers. Nice atmosphere with a rate of US $60 per session. Every 1. 5 hours a a shuttle-bus is sent between "Club Colorado" and the truck stops (Petro, Flying J) in Horizon, Texas. Many skinny, scantly clad street walkers on the this block and the next block south are trans-sexuals or homosexuals dressed in drag. This completes the tour of Ave. Mariscal.

Club Colorado:

Ave. Mariscal is an ugly, dirty street, but has many businesses located upon it. If you venture one or two blocks west the neighborhoods become more desolate. "Club Colorado"(location: three blocks west of the burrito shops, "Club Irmas, " four blocks west of Ave. Juarez, and one block south.) This is truck driver central brightly painted in red. Girls here are sexy and cost US $60 per session. Nice location, laid back atmosphere. Every 1. 5 hours a a shuttle-bus is sent between "Club Colorado" and the truck stops (Petro, Flying J) in Horizon, Texas.

One block east of "Club Colorado" going towards Ave. Mariscal and Ave. Juarez in the alley is another dive-house charging US $10, but simply for quick action. One block south of "Club Colorado" is "Chicos" who has about 5 girls and rooms available. Across the street from "Club Colorado" is another location, but I can’t remember it’s details.

Club Pink Lady:

This location is far. They moved it about 4 years ago and now requires a taxi. It’s about 20 blocks from the areas mentioned above. Again, this is a truck driver location with a shuttle-bus being sent every 1. 5 hours between "Pink Lady" and the truck stops (Petro, Flying J) in Horizon, Texas. Girls costs US $60 per session in a nice atmosphere.

Cd. Juarez doesn’t start serving customers at the above locations until 11 a. M. And closes at 2 a. M. The street walkers along Ave. Juarez work until daylight starting at 8 p. M.

Behind the Cathedral:

For those with adventure, experience, and a tight budget (US $13) you may venture behind the Cathedral. Women are available almost 24-hours per day.

"Behind the Cathedral"(location: where Ave. Juarez ends or Ave. Mariscal runs into the Cathedral; this street will be Ave. 16 de septiembre and full-of-traffic; walk south for about 3 minutes until you see many stands running east-to-west; these stands sell food, clothing, and other goods. This "alley" will be the only "alley" running in this east-to-west formation.) In the daytime you will see lots of people shopping, while at night you will see many people stumbling drunk. This "alley" is rather large and has about 5 discrete hotels open 24-hours per day with women sitting in-front. At night, about 40 women are outside and during the day 100 are present. These girls are of all ages, all varieties, and work as independent prostitutes not affiliated with any specific hotel! During the daytime it’s best at 2 p. M. When many women are transferring buses and are looking for a quickie before going home. Within the cantinas they dance with gentleman for US $0. 50 per song or sex for US $13 within one of the many hotels. The price break-down is US $10 for the girl and US $3 for the room. Always pay for the room yourself when in Cd. Juarez, otherwise you may be paying for the room twice. One block directly south of this "alley" area are more street-walkers within the cantinas and outside at the above rates and variance of ages.

The Pronaf:

(location: Free Bridge of the Americas; to 16 de septiembre or ave. De la raza.) Many massage parlors exist along this street and throughout this area (Ave. Lopez Mateo, and the other large Ave. With four names which lies east) charging US $25 per session. Many are open 24-hours per day. You can always read the newspaper "El Diario" for more locations.

Ladies Bars:

Cd. Juarez if full of "Ladies Bars! " Every bar, damn-near, is a "Ladies Bar, " which means 10 women serve as bartenders and consume beverages with you. The prices are not expensive (Cubertazo of 6 beers, 7 ounces, for US $5. 50.) Should you feel the desire to penetrate your bartender she’ll quote anywhere from US $25 – 100 per session, plus the hotel you would need to locate. "Ladies Bars" are great to drink beer, talk with a pretty woman, and possible bang. It’s a totally different atmosphere than *****houses, cantinas, and brothels.

The Women of Cd. Jaurez:

It's very, extremely, really easy to talk to women anywhere in Cd. Juarez. They are more than willing to create a conversation with a foreigner. They are more than willing to give up the goods too. Many have big assess from eating burritos everyday, while many are skinny. Some have dark sexy skin, while others don't. Lots of Juarez speaks English, can cross the bridge legally, and have family on the other side in El Paso, while most dream about the USA and meeting a gentleman to bring them into the USA.

In Cd. Jaurez, as an American, the police will attempt to extort you for a bribe of US $10 – 20 per officer regardless of location. In the downtown area it’s prevalent and more so behind the Cathedral. Furthermore, the citizens of Cd. Juarez more times than not will choose the version of their fellow-countryman versus the American should a disagreement or drunken banter arise, so always remember this advice.

Enjoy Your Excursions in Cd. Juarez, Mexico, and read my report about the other side of El Paso del Norte- El Paso, Texas, USA.

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[quote=meat loaf]hi chris,

this is my "guide to cd. juarez, mexico, and it’s famed locations. " as a "former-tour guide" and resident of cd. juarez and el paso. this experience was typically provided for us $50 per man including translation services, but for my buddies on this site it serves as my contribution, so enjoy.
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meat loaf - interesting breakdown but much of el centro has changed from what you've presented. irma's was turned to rubble in april, as was a couple of others you mentioned. "chico's" (one block south of casa colorado/san souci) i believe is club laura's run by 'chito' but no matter as he was busted and shut down for supplying **** girls.

i can't recently remember ever seeing a flock of girls in front of any hotel on ave juarez.

by the cathedral, it sounds like you're talking about all the street vendors that used to line those streets - gone, as it's been turned into a "walking mall" type of experience (but the bars are stil there) - as much of el centro is doomed to be in the near future. many buildings on mariscal and neighboring streets are being razed here and there and the master plan is for parking lots, walking areas, sitting areas, and other "we're really a nice town" types of environments.