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[QUOTE=Henry R; 1395738]Thanks for the info. Too bad the daytime GP action at Praia de Futuro is gone. It was great while it lasted.

Regarding Iracema. You wrote:

"Europa and Cafè del Mar are close."

(1) Does that mean that the Europa bar and Cafe del Mar are both shut down? Is Mambo the only big bar / club open now in Iracema?

(2) Do they still have those small bars on the street near Mambo? That is the street where many restaurants are. There were small bars there like Heineke bar and a few others. Any programa girls at the small bars at night?

Thanks again for the info. I hope to be there in October.[/QUOTE]Hi Henry, some other news.

Yes, Europa bar and Cafe del Mar are both shut down, Europa 3 years ago, Cafe del Mar last year. Heineken bar stopped; now there's a bar, called Boteco Iracema, where there are ugly GPs that after go to Mambo.

The only disco open are Zippy bar and Mambo, that is open only at the first floor (level zero closed) , and is very expensive (15 R$ entry. 15 R$ or more for cocktail).

Bar Preto e Branco, that was in front of Heineken, is closed and Portofino Restaurant too. The Reggae Bar de Xico Canuto is always open, is good for his cheap drinks and food; the problem are the garotas, very ugly and dirty, too bad!

On Monday, Pirata bar is open, and now there are some GPs, waiting for go to mambo.

Be careful, at the moment the action is very small in Iracema, and in October maybe is worse.

Hope this helps, goodnight alls

[QUOTE=Forty; 1395777]Hi Henry, some other news.

Yes, Europa bar and Cafe del Mar are both shut down, Europa 3 years ago, Cafe del Mar last year. Heineken bar stopped; now there's a bar, called Boteco Iracema, where there are ugly GPs that after go to Mambo.

The only disco open are Zippy bar and Mambo, that is open only at the first floor (level zero closed) , and is very expensive (15 R$ entry. 15 R$ or more for cocktail).

Bar Preto e Branco, that was in front of Heineken, is closed and Portofino Restaurant too. The Reggae Bar de Xico Canuto is always open, is good for his cheap drinks and food; the problem are the garotas, very ugly and dirty, too bad!

On Monday, Pirata bar is open, and now there are some GPs, waiting for go to mambo.

Be careful, at the moment the action is very small in Iracema, and in October maybe is worse.

Hope this helps, goodnight alls[/QUOTE]Wow, looks like things are closing down in Iracema. Maybe because of World Cup Soccer and the Olympics.
Thanks for the info Forty. By the way, I think we exchanged some private messages with each other a few years ago.

I am guessing this is what it is like now for the major places for programa girls. Please tell me if this is correct:

Zipi bar until midnite.

Mambo club after midnight.

Pirata club has a few GPs on Monday nights. (Is that still true?)

Armazem on Wednesday nights? (Does Armazem still have many GPs on Wednesday nights?)

Croco Beach on Thursday nights? (Does Croco Beach still have GPs on Thursday nights? If so, where in Croco Beach?)

Mucuribe Club:
Someone once wrote this place has mostly non-pros. But he wrote it had a few pros hang out by the main entrance until the disco side opens at 2AM. Is that still true? Which nights at Mucuribe Club are best for GPs?

I guess no other major places for GPs in Fortaleza?

[QUOTE=Henry R;1396630]I am guessing this is what it is like now for the major places for programa girls. Please tell me if this is correct:...[/QUOTE]
Half of your list is correct. Everything youre asking about you'll find the answers if you read 1-2 pages in the forum.

Just left Fortaleza and can confirm that only Zipi and Forró Mambo are still open. There is a little side bar opposite Forró Mambo that has a few GPs as well. Also Pirata on Monday and Armazem on Wednesday are still on. I was very impressed with the girls at Armazem but am not really interested in take out so didn't really find out prices. One girl from Zipi was asking R$150.

I also checked out the centro privés Sperto mentioned and they were all pretty bad with the exception of Espaço Show. A few decent looking young girls and liked the vibe a lot. It was crowded around 5 pm and closes down by 8pm and the neighbourhood is very dodgy. Girls are R$60 plus R$15 for the room.

From GPGuia I checked out a couple of privés a little farther out and both are about a R$18 taxi ride from Praia de Iracema. Belissimas is open 24 hours. 7 days a week and there were about 25 girls when I got there around 10pm. There is a bar area where you can hang out, relax, drink and socialize with the girls and is quite nice. All in cost for a session is R$142 plus drinks for an hour. Baronesas was another place I checked out which is the same, but on a smaller scale and more basic. I got there around 6pm and there were about 8 girls. All in cost there is R$120 plus drinks. I have to say that compared to Rio privés, it isn't great value as the cost is more and the girls in general are less hot and seem more restrictive (CBJ, no anal, no kissing or on the lips only) and are more business like. But I found them worthwhile to visit, especially Bellisimas just for the different environment and the opening hours.

[QUOTE=Kojak1; 1420668]Just left Fortaleza and can confirm that only Zipi and Forró Mambo are still open. There is a little side bar opposite Forró Mambo that has a few GPs as well. Also Pirata on Monday and Armazem on Wednesday are still on. I was very impressed with the girls at Armazem but am not really interested in take out so didn't really find out prices. One girl from Zipi was asking R$150.

I also checked out the centro privés Sperto mentioned and they were all pretty bad with the exception of Espaço Show. A few decent looking young girls and liked the vibe a lot. It was crowded around 5 pm and closes down by 8pm and the neighbourhood is very dodgy. Girls are R$60 plus R$15 for the room.

From GPGuia I checked out a couple of privés a little farther out and both are about a R$18 taxi ride from Praia de Iracema. Belissimas is open 24 hours. 7 days a week and there were about 25 girls when I got there around 10pm. There is a bar area where you can hang out, relax, drink and socialize with the girls and is quite nice. All in cost for a session is R$142 plus drinks for an hour. Baronesas was another place I checked out which is the same, but on a smaller scale and more basic. I got there around 6pm and there were about 8 girls. All in cost there is R$120 plus drinks. I have to say that compared to Rio privés, it isn't great value as the cost is more and the girls in general are less hot and seem more restrictive (CBJ, no anal, no kissing or on the lips only) and are more business like. But I found them worthwhile to visit, especially Bellisimas just for the different environment and the opening hours.[/QUOTE]Kojak1, since you just got back you probably have the best current info.

Wondering what the best time nowadays to go to Piratas on Monday nites, for mongers looking for programa girls. Also, would you guess most of the girls at Piratas on Monday nights are not programa girls? Any tips on finding the programa girls there? Are they at a certain place? (I don't want to ask them if they are programa girls, because that would upset the non-pros).

[QUOTE=Henry R; 1427428]Kojak1, since you just got back you probably have the best current info.

Wondering what the best time nowadays to go to Piratas on Monday nites, for mongers looking for programa girls. Also, would you guess most of the girls at Piratas on Monday nights are not programa girls? Any tips on finding the programa girls there? Are they at a certain place? (I don't want to ask them if they are programa girls, because that would upset the non-pros).[/QUOTE]Henry R,

I went around 23:30 and it was starting to get pretty full as the main band started playing around 00:30. I think the majority of the people there were regular girls and guys, not on or looking for programma. I noticed a few hot girls and realized later that they were maybe working as I saw them later at Forro Mambo or at other working bars later in the week.

You should plan to be in Fortaleza on Wednesday as that is the ho night at Armazem. It was packed and all the girls were working. The vibe was reminiscent of Help in Rio except for the forro bands. There was also a disco in another section. If I lived there, I would go every Wednesday.

[QUOTE=Henry R; 1427428]Kojak1, since you just got back you probably have the best current info.

Wondering what the best time nowadays to go to Piratas on Monday nites, for mongers looking for programa girls. Also, would you guess most of the girls at Piratas on Monday nights are not programa girls? Any tips on finding the programa girls there? Are they at a certain place? (I don't want to ask them if they are programa girls, because that would upset the non-pros).[/QUOTE]Pirata isn't what it used to be. It's quite weak. If you want to have a go after a regular touristgirl at Pirata you might be lucky. If so go quite early, 10 PM.

Looking for GP's at Pirata is a bit odd as you have Zipi Bar with a much better selection. The GPs that pays the entrance to Pirata tends to be averagelooking golddiggers. No worry about finding them as they'll seek you up.

[QUOTE=Sperto; 1427676]Pirata isn't what it used to be. It's quite weak. If you want to have a go after a regular touristgirl at Pirata you might be lucky. If so go quite early. 10 PM.

Looking for GP's at Pirata is a bit odd as you have Zipi Bar with a much better selection. The GPs that pays the entrance to Pirata tends to be averagelooking golddiggers. No worry about finding them as they'll seek you up.[/QUOTE]Agree with Sperto about Piratas. Not a lot of pros there, but there are a few, that I didn't really know were pros until I saw them at Armazem on Wednesday night. That is the place to go as all the girls there are pros on Wednesdays. Reminded me a little of Help with a live Forro band and disco and a lot of sexy dressed girls trying to get your attention.

Hi fellow enthusiasts,

I need some, well actually, a lot of advice about Brazil I would highly appreciate it if you guys could help me out some.

First of all a little background info so you have a better idea how to guide me by your information. I'm a male of mixed Euro-African-Asian-American descent. I'm 42 but look about 35 and in good shape. I speak multiple languages including Spanish and some Portuguese.

I've never been to Brazil but would like to go in 2014 around March, April, May or June. I sure would like to be there during the World Cup in July but I think that will be freakin' expensive.

The goal of my trip firstly is women. Secondly sight seeing. I've been going to Thailand for some years now so I'm kind of spoiled when it comes to service but mainly price. That accounts for both women and hotels. Thailand is cheap compared to Brazil from what I've read. I mean I'm used to $20 apartment an $25-$35 short time girls. Or $40-$60 for high end girls.

So I ask you brothers, for mongering purposes which place is better; Rio De Janeiro or Fortaleza.

I mean Fortaleza seems to have easier access to girls, cheaper then Rio, maybe more compact scene not sure though.

Rio from what I've read the girls there are considered more beautiful than Fortaleza, can anybody clarify in what way.

Rio seems more expensive, not only girls but definitely hotels.

In general I believe it is hard to find hotels that are girl friendly in Rio and Fortaleza. ?

Also let's say if in Forta chances for girls are better I could also do both and also get some sight seeing done in Rio.

Anybody got info on local flghts between Forta and Rio?

From what I've read Termas are a big thing in Rio and street freelancing scene maybe a bit risky?

What about Termas and freelancers in Forta? Less risky?

By the way Thailand is pretty safe when walking alone late night but from what I've read some areas can be dangerous in Brazil. True?

Can anyone help me with the pros and cons in order to decide where it's best for a first timer like me to go.

I know guys, a lot of questions but I really need some help in making this decision.

I'm going to post this in the Rio section aswell.

Thanks in advance.

[QUOTE=The Wookie; 1445808]Hi fellow enthusiasts,

I need some, well actually, a lot of advice about Brazil I would highly appreciate it if you guys could help me out some.

First of all a little background info so you have a better idea how to guide me by your information. I'm a male of mixed Euro-African-Asian-American descent. I'm 42 but look about 35 and in good shape. I speak multiple languages including Spanish and some Portuguese.

I've never been to Brazil but would like to go in 2014 around March, April, May or June. I sure would like to be there during the World Cup in July but I think that will be freakin' expensive.

The goal of my trip firstly is women. Secondly sight seeing. I've been going to Thailand for some years now so I'm kind of spoiled when it comes to service but mainly price. That accounts for both women and hotels. Thailand is cheap compared to Brazil from what I've read. I mean I'm used to $20 apartment an $25-$35 short time girls. Or $40-$60 for high end girls.

So I ask you brothers, for mongering purposes which place is better; Rio De Janeiro or Fortaleza.

I mean Fortaleza seems to have easier access to girls, cheaper then Rio, maybe more compact scene not sure though.

Rio from what I've read the girls there are considered more beautiful than Fortaleza, can anybody clarify in what way.

Rio seems more expensive, not only girls but definitely hotels.

In general I believe it is hard to find hotels that are girl friendly in Rio and Fortaleza. ?

Also let's say if in Forta chances for girls are better I could also do both and also get some sight seeing done in Rio.

Anybody got info on local flghts between Forta and Rio?

From what I've read Termas are a big thing in Rio and street freelancing scene maybe a bit risky?

What about Termas and freelancers in Forta? Less risky?

By the way Thailand is pretty safe when walking alone late night but from what I've read some areas can be dangerous in Brazil. True?

Can anyone help me with the pros and cons in order to decide where it's best for a first timer like me to go.

I know guys, a lot of questions but I really need some help in making this decision.

I'm going to post this in the Rio section aswell.

Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]I've been to Brazil and Rio and Fortaleza 4 times. But I haven't been to Brazil in almost 3 years, since the Fall of 2010, so my info about Rio and Fortaleza may be outdated.

(But I plan to return to Brazil this October).

In the past Rio and Fortaleza were close in terms of monger action.

Rio:

I thought Help Disco and the Atlantico Cafe Restaurant, in front of Help Disco, were the 2 best places for monger action in Rio.

But they both closed before my last trip. So that's why I won't visit Rio on my next trip. I think it's not the same without those 2 places. Balcony Bar had been one of the worst places in Rio,

with a few bad looking girls, until my last trip in 2010. Then it became the hot spot because Help and Cafe Atlantico closed down. The girls had to go somewhere. Even though

Balcony was OK on my last trip, it wasn't nearly as good as Help or Cafe Atlantico had been. I don't know what Balcony is like now.

I had a very good time at the 2 higher class Termas in Rio that I went to. Make sure you go to the top Termas,

if you can afford it.

Also, hotels in Rio have become pretty expensive. At least when I went in 2010. You may be better off with apartments.

But Rio is a beautiful city, may be worth visiting just to see it and go to the Termas.

Fortaleza:

I thought there were enough good looking programa girls in the Iracema bar area of Fortaleza, despite

what almost everyone else on this board has been writing for the past 10 years, and I'm picky. On my last night in Fortaleza in 2010 I went late to Cafe del Mar in Iracema, which I heard is now closed.

I was absolutely amazed how many hot babes were at Cafe Del Mar that night. But that wasn't typical, I know because I had been there before. They usually were OK, but not as good as that night.

Not sure about areas outside of Iracema. (I went to Bellisimos or whatever it's called, which is kind of like a combo bar / house with girls. The girls were not too good looking, but I went early, so maybe it got better later. It is not located in Iracema).

Anyway, ask yourself, would so many European men tourists travel all the way to Fortaleza, and hang out at Iracema, unless there were a decent number of good looking programa girls?

I've talked to tourists during my 4 trips to Fortaleza, and none has complained about the overall quality of looks of the programa girls, especially the ones in or near Iracema. The criticisms about their looks only come on this forum.

But Iracema used to have 4 or 5 big disco/bars, plus Zippy's which is a few blocks away. So a total of 5 or 6 places. Now I read that most of the Iracema discos have closed - Europa and Cafe del Mar closed, and the Bikini Club above Europa closed a few years ago.
So I read on this forum that now there is only one disco left at Iracema - Mambo - and it is one floor instead of 2 floors like before. (Hard to believe there is only one big disco place left in Iracema?). So Mambo and Zippy's are the only good places left? (Armazem has action only one night a week). If so, I don't know how good Iracema is now.

Crime:

I've been to a lot of areas in Thailand, even walking alone at night, and never had any problems with crime. Maybe I was just lucky.

I suspect Brazil has more crime than Thailand. But I heard that northern Brazil has less crime than southern Brazil. Supposed to be the opposite in Rio, with lots of crime in northern Rio, and much less crime in southern Rio, which is the tourist area.

Good luck on your trip.

[QUOTE=Henry R; 1453608].

But Iracema used to have 4 or 5 big disco / bars, plus Zippy's which is a few blocks away. So a total of 5 or 6 places. Now I read that most of the Iracema discos have closed. Europa and Cafe del Mar closed, and the Bikini Club above Europa closed a few years ago.

So I read on this forum that now there is only one disco left at Iracema. Mambo. And it is one floor instead of 2 floors like before. (Hard to believe there is only one big disco place left in Iracema?). So Mambo and Zippy's are the only good places left? (Armazem has action only one night a week). If so, I don't know how good Iracema is now.

Good luck on your trip.[/QUOTE]Some sweet and humid memories from the happier days of Bikini Bar of Iracema. From late 2007, most of these juicy garotas is probably housewifes with husbond and 2 children, in the Nederlands and Italy by now.

[QUOTE=Henry R; 1453608]I've been to Brazil and Rio and Fortaleza 4 times. But I haven't been to Brazil in almost 3 years, since the Fall of 2010, so my info about Rio and Fortaleza may be outdated.

(But I plan to return to Brazil this October).

In the past Rio and Fortaleza were close in terms of monger action.

Rio:

Crime:

I suspect Brazil has more crime than Thailand. But I heard that northern Brazil has less crime than southern Brazil. Supposed to be the opposite in Rio, with lots of crime in northern Rio, and much less crime in southern Rio, which is the tourist area.

Good luck on your trip.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the info.

[QUOTE=Balluba;1461315]Some sweet and humid memories from the happier days of Bikini Bar of Iracema. From late 2007, most of these juicy garotas is probably housewifes with husbond and 2 children, in the Nederlands and Italy by now.[/QUOTE]Those are great fotos! I'm getting nostalgic (tenho saudade) for the good old days.

[QUOTE=Henry R;1468202]Those are great fotos! I'm getting nostalgic (tenho saudade) for the good old days.[/QUOTE]I will be back (like a solteiro) in this month. Will try to find the spirit of the happy old days.

[QUOTE=Henry R; 1453608]Crime:

I've been to a lot of areas in Thailand, even walking alone at night, and never had any problems with crime. Maybe I was just lucky.[/QUOTE]How did Thailand pop up in your post? Not a fair comparison.

I think you have to completely wasted with money dripping out of your pockets to attract a robbery in Thailand. All I have really heard of was occasional gold chain snatching.

And if you look halfway good on your feet, still won't happen.