American Politics

"Florida Republican Party Chairman, Christian Ziegler, my very well be "anti-L in LGBTQ", I called him and his wife.

And don't be so frickin' naive!

The world (and history) is full of men (and women), that will gladly fuck the "L-G-be-T to the Q", behind closed doors (BCD), and yet openly in public, denounce and declare "war" against said group of people.

Republicans Christian and Bridget Ziegler are a great example of said hypocrisy. That is why I called Christian Ziegler, an adulterer, cheater, LGBTQ hypocrite, liar and all-around phony. ".

[URL]https://www.newindian.in/obama-had-bought-crack-cocaine-and-smoked-it-in-a-limousine-he-said/[/URL]

[URL]https://www.newindian.in/obama-had-bought-crack-cocaine-and-smoked-it-in-a-limousine-he-said/[/URL]

[URL]https://www.newindian.in/obama-had-bought-crack-cocaine-and-smoked-it-in-a-limousine-he-said/[/URL]

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2877491]And exactly how will adding the Department of Anti-Abortion Arrests, Prosecution and Incarceration make the government smaller and putting millions more unwanted babies on welfare reduce the deficit? Not to mention the likely massive increase in Defence Spending when and if they actually succeed in assisting and facilitating a Putin victory in Ukraine?

Repub policies and stewardship have never led to smaller government and lower deficits. Ever. Great Repub Depressions, Great Repub Recessions and Massive Repub Jobs Destruction simply do not produce those kind of results.

LOL. Have you also forgotten it was the iconic Repub lord and savior of this very loony Repub Pink Smaller and Smaller All The Time Tinkle House, the 91 count indicted felony former so-called potus they are desperate to put back in the WH who, more than any other human being on the planet, created the very conditions that produced the Trillions upon Trillions in Deficits we have today while you are apparently only counting a piddling Trillon or so of it that they supposedly subtracted from the necessary recovery measures for his horrific economic and national security policies and stewardship? Which, again, they are desperately trying to assist him in repeating for another 4 years?

Lolol.

Lolol.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2877584]Aside from the easily predictable massive increase in the deficit once today's Repub Pink Smaller and Smaller All The Time Tinkle House gets fully on track reinforcing and celebrating their lord and savior Trump's most disastrous economy-crippling "achievements", we must include this as their own remarkable "achievement" in taking money out of the pockets of the American taxpayer and skyrocketing their deficits.

[B]Debt ceiling brinksmanship has clear negative effects on taxpayers.[/B]

[URL]https://www.brookings.edu/articles/debt-ceiling-brinksmanship-has-clear-negative-effects-on-taxpayers/[/URL]

[B]THE DEBT
The High Cost of Debt Ceiling Brinksmanship.[/B]

[URL]https://www.thefiscaltimes.com/2017/08/28/High-Cost-Debt-Ceiling-Brinksmanship[/URL]

[B]Debt ceiling showdown "was incredibly costly" to U.S., economic expert says.[/B]

[URL]https://www.cbsnews.com/news/debt-ceiling-showdown-house-republicans-president-biden/[/URL]

LOL. It is hilarious that anyone could point to one utterly irrelevant benefit for no one by their reducing the investment of provable recovery measures and therefore delaying the recovery from Trump's Repub Economic Disaster as a "savings" while they are also rabid proponents and practitioners of favorite Repub Party moves that genuinely cost America and American taxpayers more money, produce higher deficits and, oh as an added bonus for Repubs, provides at least a Trillion Dollars in free publicity and positive press for every anti-democratic authoritarian dictator and wannabe authoritarian dictator on the planet. Every time they do it. As this current Repub Loon House has done.

Shades of the usual Repub Party scam of dangling disproportionately greater tax cuts for top income margins and corporations but with the price of that ticket being another Great Repub Depression / Great Repub Recession and Massive Job Destruction, of course. It is such a blatant, woefully obvious misdirection con. But they get away with doing it as long as their benefactors in Mainstream Media continue to insinuate that their beloved Repub candidates probably "handle the economy better than Democrats."[/QUOTE]The Republicans weren't exactly the greatest stewards during the years they controlled the controlled the Presidency, Senate and House, being the first two years of the Trump Administration and the George W. Bush administration. They spent too much money.

However, as I posted, the current House Republicans, and Republicans during Clinton's 2nd term, resulted in greatly improved policy outcomes versus what we would have had with Democratic-controlled Congresses. The Republicans moderated the Democrats' propensity to spend, spend, spend.

Historically the best combination for controlling deficits has been a Democratic president and a Republican House, and I don't believe that's entirely coincidental.

You appear to be confused about the effect of government spending and tax cuts on the economy. Increased spending serves as a stimulus. Tax cuts serve as a stimulus, [B]regardless of whether they occur during a Democratic or Republican presidency, to the extent that they actually result in lower government revenues[/B]. Now the changes in the taxation of corporations in 2018 (Trump Administration) and high income individuals in 1986 (Reagan Administration) actually, in the medium and long term, resulted in higher government revenues from said corporations and individuals, even though the changes included cuts in tax rates. I suspect the same is true of the cut in the capital gains tax rate during the Clinton administration, but I haven't seen data to back that up.

Increases in spending and lower government revenues both serve to increase the national debt. The debt may not be a major concern during your remaining lifespan, but it's going to be a huge challenge for our children and grandchildren to deal with. Probably the biggest challenge for government.

Your first link, from the Brookings Institution, is kind of ridiculous. Most government debt is fixed rate. The government is only going to have to pay higher interest rates for 4 week and 8 week Treasury bills sold a month or two before running up against the debt ceiling. That's going to be a drop in the bucket in terms of additional interest expense incurred by the government.

The second link doesn't make a lot of sense either, in the context of the 2023 debt ceiling debate. They say that the debt ceiling brinksmanship of 2011-2012 cost the Treasury at least $1. 3 billion. Well, Mccarthy and Republicans managed to claw back about $1. 5 trillion over 10 years this last May, which is over 1000 X more than $1. 3 billion, not taking inflation into account. I do see the point in the second and third links though in that the bastards in Washington, on both sides, ought to be able to get their act together and agree on fiscal measures long before we run up against the debt ceiling. And better yet, when times are good, like in 2022 and 2023, this shouldn't even be an issue because we should be running a small deficit or a surplus. Unfortunately most Democrats and the majority of Republicans don't want to do that. They just want to spend and grow the federal government, with no concern about what happens to the country after they leave office.

[URL]https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2023/12/14/nolte-trump-surges-to-ten-point-lead-over-biden/[/URL]

Another Reagan vs Mondale??

They can't cheat enough to cover the differential this time.

[QUOTE=Tiny12;2877832]The Republicans weren't exactly the greatest stewards during the years they controlled the controlled the Presidency, Senate and House, being the first two years of the Trump Administration and the George W. Bush administration. They spent too much money.

However, as I posted, the current House Republicans, and Republicans during Clinton's 2nd term, resulted in greatly improved policy outcomes versus what we would have had with Democratic-controlled Congresses. The Republicans moderated the Democrats' propensity to spend, spend, spend.

Historically the best combination for controlling deficits has been a Democratic president and a Republican House, and I don't believe that's entirely coincidental.

You appear to be confused about the effect of government spending and tax cuts on the economy. Increased spending serves as a stimulus. Tax cuts serve as a stimulus, [B]regardless of whether they occur during a Democratic or Republican presidency, to the extent that they actually result in lower government revenues[/B]. Now the changes in the taxation of corporations in 2018 (Trump Administration) and high income individuals in 1986 (Reagan Administration) actually, in the medium and long term, resulted in higher government revenues from said corporations and individuals, even though the changes included cuts in tax rates. I suspect the same is true of the cut in the capital gains tax rate during the Clinton administration, but I haven't seen data to back that up.

Increases in spending and lower government revenues both serve to increase the national debt. The debt may not be a major concern during your remaining lifespan, but it's going to be a huge challenge for our children and grandchildren to deal with. Probably the biggest challenge for government.

Your first link, from the Brookings Institution, is kind of ridiculous. Most government debt is fixed rate. The government is only going to have to pay higher interest rates for 4 week and 8 week Treasury bills sold a month or two before running up against the debt ceiling. That's going to be a drop in the bucket in terms of additional interest expense incurred by the government.

The second link doesn't make a lot of sense either, in the context of the 2023 debt ceiling debate. They say that the debt ceiling brinksmanship of 2011-2012 cost the Treasury at least $1. 3 billion. Well, Mccarthy and Republicans managed to claw back about $1. 5 trillion over 10 years this last May, which is over 1000 X more than $1. 3 billion, not taking inflation into account. I do see the point in the second and third links though in that the bastards in Washington, on both sides, ought to be able to get their act together and agree on fiscal measures long before we run up against the debt ceiling. And better yet, when times are good, like in 2022 and 2023, this shouldn't even be an issue because we should be running a small deficit or a surplus. Unfortunately most Democrats and the majority of Republicans don't want to do that. They just want to spend and grow the federal government, with no concern about what happens to the country after they leave office.[/QUOTE]I am not confused about anything regarding taxation and how tax cuts and tax policy can and does stimulate the economy and create jobs if they are done in the right places for the right reasons. Dems know how to do that and Repubs do not. Obviously. There is not one iota or shred of evidence or data or statistics to substantiate any other conclusion. Unless you are confused about the difference between a Great Repub Depression / Recession and Massive Jobs Destruction vs a Great Dem Recovery, Expansion and Historic Jobs Creation.

The only reason the Clinton / Dem economy of the 1990's was among the greatest of all time even after Nude Grinbitch and his Repubs controlled Congress beginning in January 1995 was because all of the most important legislation necessary to produce that result was done and done by December 1994. By Clinton and his Dems (note the word "legislation" as in agenda and policy, not merely because they were members of the Democratic Party). Largely without any contribution from Repubs at all. Because the agenda was so opposite what Reagan taught them was the best way to set tax and spend policy that will trigger a Great Repub Recession, skyrocket the Unemployment Rate into double digits for almost a year and even by the end of 8 or 12 years of that Repub potus agenda produce pathetic jobs numbers.

Grinbitch lost every showdown with Clinton. Grinbitch and his Repubs simply spent the balance of the 1990's sniffing around Clinton's dick and balls to find out where they'd been. And later took credit for Dem legislation, policy and stewardship results they contributed virtually nothing to except perhaps to slow it down and diminish the Greatness of it a tad. Give them a trophy for that.

The same dynamic occurred under the historic Great Dem Recovery and Expansions of FDR and Obama; the Dems made that happen with little or no contribution from Deadbeat Repubs. At most, a few of them went along with the FDR and Obama agendas. But they were not decisive. Thank God.

So Dems shoulder all the heavy lifting, assume all the political risk, led by a Dem POTUS, and then Repubs come in later during the birthing pains of aforementioned heavy lifting and political risk-taking stage of the Great Dem Recovery, Expansion and Jobs Creation, team up with their beloved benefactors in Mainstream Media to capitalize on those typical early birthing pains in order to win elections and the next thing we have is a few years of Deadbeat Do Nothing Repubs sitting around doing their typical Deadbeat Do Nothingness and, TO YOU (and, yes, it will find its way into the lazy financial media), that looks like we get the best results with a Dem POTUS and a Repub-Controlled Congress. Or, rather, Repub-Controlled House. But only on the basis of spending apparently. A "process" that has very little if anything to do with an economic "result" anyway.

LOL. OK.

I wonder why. LOL. Well, no, not really.

[B]Biden-Trump rematch would be close, with RFK Jr a threat to Biden: Reuters/Ipsos poll.
Dec. 13, 2023[/B]

[URL]https://www.reuters.com/world/us/biden-vs-trump-would-be-close-rematch-with-rfk-jr-threat-biden-reutersipsos-poll-2023-12-12/[/URL]

[QUOTE]The poll showed Trump with a marginal 2-point lead in a head-to-head matchup, 38% to 36%, with 26% of respondents saying they weren't sure or might vote for someone else.
...
The poll, conducted online Dec. 5-11, surveyed 4,411 U.S. adults nationwide and had a credibility interval, a measure of precision, of about 2 percentage points.
...
The state-by-state Electoral College system used to pick presidents, and deep-seated partisan divides, mean that voters in just a handful of states will play a decisive role in the election's outcome.
...
[B]In the seven states where the election was closest in 2020 -- Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Arizona, Georgia, Nevada, North Carolina and Michigan -- Biden had a 4-point lead among Americans who said they were sure to vote.[/b][/QUOTE]Man, I had to go deep into that report to find that last part. LOL.

After several days I have yet to see this report factored into the demonstrably Winger-leaning RCP site very much. But they jumped on that ultra Winger-leaning Rasmussen poll within minutes! Lolol.

[QUOTE=Tiny 12;2872370]The Republican House has done a great job in 2023. Remember the negotiations to raise the national debt ceiling back in May. The House Republicans managed to claw back $1.5 trillion over 10 years from the $5 trillion+ in spending legislated by Biden and Democrats in 2021 and 2022. Chip Roy's problem is that he believes they should have clawed back more. Fair enough, but $1.5 trillion is quite an accomplishment considering Democrats control the Senate and the Presidency.[/QUOTE] Yeah, I was meaning to circle back to this, glad you did.

Well, if this [b]"one (1) thing"[/b] is really, so great as you claim, I'm sure Rep.Chip Roy (R-TX), will have no problem, mounting a absolute stellar campaign on this issue. An issue, that is just so vital, front and center most Americans. This should be interesting, Chip explaining to his constituency, considering that 14 million jobs were created, on a reduced IRA.

[QUOTE=Tiny 12;2872370]I was watching CNBC last week, and Jared Bernstein, the chairman of President Biden's Council of Economic Advisors was expounding on the accomplishments of the President. Chief among them was saving $1 trillion through passage of the Fiscal Responsibility Act of 2023! This is the money that the Republicans clawed back! In other words, Biden's economic advisor is taking credit for something that got passed only because Republicans threatened not to increase the debt limit. Democrats were shouting Armageddon and now they're taking credit for the legislation! Unbelievable! [/QUOTE]

What you failed to include and left out, from the the Jared Bernstein, interview, was him presenting [b]the whole picture[/b], that Biden's budget, has $2.5 trillions dollars of debt reduction measures in it, to combat the deficit and that Biden has been actively and aggressively tackling the debt.

Simply put, when asked, Jared Bernstein, mentioned the one (1) trillions dollars off the 10 yr deficit, noted in Fiscal Responsibility Act, as part of the question to the debt and inflation reduction. I hardly see that, as taking credit.

But if he were asked, I'm sure he'd remind the interviewer, the many Repubs, who shouted from the mountain tops, the tremendous benefits and economic success, their very own states are now enjoying, from IRA infrastructure/Chip and Science Acts, and the 14 million jobs created, [b]that they themselves voted against.[/b] Yeah, frickin' unbelievable!

Personally, When I think about the "claw back" of the one (1) trillion dollars, it reminds me of, [b]just how much greater the Biden economy could have been[/b]. Maybe 20 million jobs!!!

[QUOTE=Tiny12;2877475]Hey, nobody's perfect.[/QUOTE]Hmmmm...Okay! Anyways, certainly not Republicans Christian & Bridget Ziegler, Florida RNC or Moms for Liberty (or are we now calling it MILFs for Liberty...kkkk!

[B]all of that was as bad or worse under Trump than under Biden.[/B]

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2877753]"Not only was the rate of violent crime as described by in your retail managers' anecdotes less in 2022 under Biden than in all but one year under Trump:

[URL]https://www.statista.com/statistics/191219/reported-violent-crime-rate-in-the-usa-since-1990[/URL]

But there is also plenty of data to suggest many retail managers are blaming convenient "boogymen" for shrinkage and retail losses incurred due to their own mismanagement, poor marketing and incompetence in the face of competition heightened by, yep say it with me, Trump's Pandemic. Lolol.

Stores say shoplifting is a national crisis. The numbers don't back it up.

[URL]https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/18/business/retail-shoplifting-shrink-walgreens/index.html[/URL]".

[URL]https://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/miami-police-bust-organized-theft-ring-operated-from-allapattah-home/3183846/[/URL].[/QUOTE]Uh. You do know crimes occurred all around the world even before the creation of 24/7/365 Cable News Channels, 24/7/365 Internet Access and everyone keeping a locked and loaded smartphone camera at the ready in their hand, right?

[QUOTE=Spidy;2877921]What you failed to include and left out, from the the Jared Bernstein, interview, was him presenting [b]the whole picture[/b], that Biden's budget, has $2.5 trillions dollars of debt reduction measures in it, to combat the deficit and that Biden has been actively and aggressively tackling the debt. [/QUOTE]

I never heard him say that in the CNBC interview, but if true, $1.5 trillion of the $2.5 trillion would be the Republican claw backs, which were obtained only after considerable kicking and screaming by Democratic Party politicians during the debt ceiling debate..

[QUOTE=Spidy;2877921]But if he were asked, I'm sure he'd remind the interviewer, the many Repubs, who shouted from the mountain tops, the tremendous benefits and economic success, their very own states are now enjoying, from IRA infrastructure/Chip and Science Acts, and the 14 million jobs created, [b]that they themselves voted against.[/b] Yeah, frickin' unbelievable![/QUOTE] Yeah, a lot of Republicans are spendthrifts too, only too willing to spend federal money in their districts that is better appropriated and spent by the state and local governments in their districts. And there's no way the IRA, infrastructure and Chip and Science Acts created or will create 14 million jobs. That would imply a negative unemployment rate, unless the labor force participation rate increases markedly. And it hasn't. It's still below pre-COVID levels.

[QUOTE=Spidy;2877921]
Personally, When I think about the "claw back" of the one (1) trillion dollars, it reminds me of, [b]just how much greater the Biden economy could have been[/b]. Maybe 20 million jobs!!![/QUOTE]Twenty million jobs? No way, unless he started providing free travel and instant citizenship to anyone willing to move to the USA. And encouraged the kind of sweat shops that the Marquis prefers to have on American soil instead of in foreign countries. But Biden definitely could have added at least a few trillion more to the national debt, and a couple more points to inflation in 2021, if not for the heroic efforts of Kyrsten Sinema, Joe Manchin, and, in 2023, Kevin McCarthy and House Republicans.

[QUOTE=Spidy;2877925]Hmmmm...Okay! Anyways, certainly not Republicans Christian & Bridget Ziegler, Florida RNC or Moms for Liberty (or are we now calling it MILFs for Liberty...kkkk![/QUOTE]

Bridget may not be perfect, but I'd do her.

[QUOTE=Spidy;2877921]Yeah, I was meaning to circle back to this, glad you did.

Well, if this [b]"one (1) thing"[/b] is really, so great as you claim, I'm sure Rep.Chip Roy (R-TX), will have no problem, mounting a absolute stellar campaign on this issue. An issue, that is just so vital, front and center most Americans. This should be interesting, Chip explaining to his constituency, considering that 14 million jobs were created, on a reduced IRA.



What you failed to include and left out, from the the Jared Bernstein, interview, was him presenting [b]the whole picture[/b], that Biden's budget, has $2.5 trillions dollars of debt reduction measures in it, to combat the deficit and that Biden has been actively and aggressively tackling the debt.

Simply put, when asked, Jared Bernstein, mentioned the one (1) trillions dollars off the 10 yr deficit, noted in Fiscal Responsibility Act, as part of the question to the debt and inflation reduction. I hardly see that, as taking credit.

But if he were asked, I'm sure he'd remind the interviewer, the many Repubs, who shouted from the mountain tops, the tremendous benefits and economic success, their very own states are now enjoying, from IRA infrastructure/Chip and Science Acts, and the 14 million jobs created, [b]that they themselves voted against.[/b] Yeah, frickin' unbelievable!

Personally, When I think about the "claw back" of the one (1) trillion dollars, it reminds me of, [b]just how much greater the Biden economy could have been[/b]. Maybe 20 million jobs!!![/QUOTE]That is exactly the correct way of assessing it.

Okay, show of hands.

Who here thinks the reason Nude Grinbitch, John (no) Boner, Kevin McQarthy, ChristoFacist Mike, etc and their congressional Repubs suddenly became the Party of NO / Obstruction / Slow-Walking on Recovery Legislation, clawed back Dem spending proposals, repeatedly engaged in brinksmanship on paying our bills and enacting government shutdowns, etc was because they cared about the welfare of the American people, wanted things to get better for everyone ASAP and sincerely wanted the Dem in the White House to look much better with a thriving economy and balanced budget when either he or his VP runs for election in a year or two?

LOL. I had to refrain from cracking myself up with laughter even as I wrote that little survey question. My god. How gullible would a sucker have to be to entertain such a ridiculous idea even in passing.

No. They did that because they were / are hoping to Thwart or, preferably, Reverse the economic gains, growth, jobs creation AND projected economic expansion revenue to balance the budget along the way that they know better than anyone else WILL occur due to typical Democratic Party Tax / Spend Policies and Stewardship even as such results have NEVER happened due to Republican Party Tax / Spend Policies and Stewardship. Not when you factor in the inevitable Great Repub Depression / Recession and Massive Repub Jobs Destruction that comes in the exact same Repub package.

It is irrefutable that any and every, statement, move, proposal and decision made by Repubs while a Dem is in the White House is not meant to improve anything. Anything. Not to improve business confidence, not to increase jobs creation, not to promote GDP growth, not to reduce unavoidable recovery inflation, not to make the border more secure, not to strengthen national security, not to reduce crime or killings, not to help balance the budget.

Nothing.

It is always and only meant to reduce the expected (especially by congressional Repubs, who know better than anyone) positive results of that Dem POTUS' economic philosophy, agenda, proposals, legislation, policies and stewardship. And, preferably, to totally reverse those results before the next election.

Uh, yeah. I did not and will never be gullible and stupid enough to raise my hand on that one.

[QUOTE=Tiny 12;2877932]Yeah, a lot of Republicans are spendthrifts too, only too willing to spend federal money in their districts that is better appropriated and spent by the state and local governments in their districts. And there's no way the IRA, infrastructure and Chip and Science Acts created or will create 14 million jobs. That would imply a negative unemployment rate, unless the labor force participation rate increases markedly. And it hasn't. It's still below pre-COVID levels.[/QUOTE]

If by "spendthrifts", you mean Repubs stupidly, giving away money to billionaires, to produce another ineffectual "trickle-down" style economy, in the hopes that some crumbs will make it to working Americans, then you'd be correct about Republicans spendthrifts.

Point is, on Biden's watch (since he took office), [b]14 million jobs were created[/b]. IRA, infrastructure and Chip and Science Acts are naturally a big part of that jobs picture.

[QUOTE=Tiny 12;2877932]Twenty million jobs? No way. But he definitely could have added at least a few trillion more to the national debt, and a couple more points to inflation in 2021, if not for the heroic efforts of Kyrsten Sinema, Joe Manchin, and, in 2023, Kevin McCarthy and House Republicans. [/QUOTE] (...kkkk!) I know your not used to seeing good economics, especially after 4-years of Trump's ineptitude and bad stewardship from Repubs (or any stewardship for that matter), which is probably the reason you're full of doubts and is totally understandable, just as Rep.Chip Roy (R-TX), frustratingly, can't find [i][b]"one thing...one good thing"[/b][/i] Repubs have done.

But the 20 million jobs, YOU CAN BOOK IT! Biden created 14 million, with only 1.5 trillion. Project that out to 2.5 trillion, and the 6 million more jobs, is totally doable.

As for your [i]so called "heroes",[/i] the [b]"no nothing" DINOs[/b], and the ousted, [b]disgraced former speaker[/b] and the [b]Repub "pink trickle"[/b] House, all of which are either gone, soon to be gone, or will be shortly reduced to "pink drips", isn't saying very much, when it comes producing meaningful and substantive governance, economics and jobs for Americans.

All this GREAT economic data, DESPITE, your "so called heroes", trying their utmost to thwart Biden's economic measures.
• 11 months positive job gains in a row
• better/stronger than expected November 2023 unemployment and job numbers. {ie. 19,000 more job created than expected}
• the lowest in 50 years as the US payrolls rise 199,000; jobless rate drops to 3.7%
• Unemployment rate the lowest since 1969
• US Inflation, hovering around 3%, is the lowest in 2-years
• 14 million more jobs created since Biden Took office, than the 6 million for the same period for Trump

Yeah, 20 million jobs, in a Biden run economy...just BOOK it!

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2877963]That is exactly the correct way of assessing it.

Okay, show of hands.

Who here thinks the reason Nude Grinbitch, John (no) Boner, Kevin McQarthy, ChristoFacist Mike, etc and their congressional Repubs suddenly became the Party of NO / Obstruction / Slow-Walking on Recovery Legislation, clawed back Dem spending proposals, repeatedly engaged in brinksmanship on paying our bills and enacting government shutdowns, etc was because they cared about the welfare of the American people, wanted things to get better for everyone ASAP and sincerely wanted the Dem in the White House to look much better with a thriving economy and balanced budget when either he or his VP runs for election in a year or two?

LOL. I had to refrain from cracking myself up with laughter even as I wrote that little survey question. My god. How gullible would a sucker have to be to entertain such a ridiculous idea even in passing.

No. They did that because they were / are hoping to Thwart or, preferably, Reverse the economic gains, growth, jobs creation AND projected economic expansion revenue to balance the budget along the way that they know better than anyone else WILL occur due to typical Democratic Party Tax / Spend Policies and Stewardship even as such results have NEVER happened due to Republican Party Tax / Spend Policies and Stewardship. Not when you factor in the inevitable Great Repub Depression / Recession and Massive Repub Jobs Destruction that comes in the exact same Repub package. [/QUOTE] Yes, I had a good chuckle myself!

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2877963][b]It is irrefutable that any and every, statement, move, proposal and decision made by Repubs while a Dem is in the White House is not meant to improve anything.[/b] Anything. Not to improve business confidence, not to increase jobs creation, not to promote GDP growth, not to reduce unavoidable recovery inflation, not to make the border more secure, not to strengthen national security, not to reduce crime or killings, not to help balance the budget.

[b]Nothing.[/b][/QUOTE] Good post and spot on! Like echos of Rep.Chip Roy (R-TX) hard hitting speech, it has become a resonating reality, that many Repubs, just can't shake.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2877963]It is always and only meant to reduce the expected (especially by congressional Repubs, who know better than anyone) positive results of that Dem POTUS' economic philosophy, agenda, proposals, legislation, policies and stewardship. And, preferably, to totally reverse those results before the next election.

Uh, yeah. I did not and will never be gullible and stupid enough to raise my hand on that one.[/QUOTE]

I'm sure a few gullible Repub hands, shot up! Which would stand to reason, as Trump does like his voters, uneducated with healthy dose of gullibility. (....kkkk!)

However, it bears repeating, that with all of the [b]DINOs/MAGA Repub "thwarting" measures[/b] you've superbly outline above, it just amazing how Biden, has managed an economy this good, this impressive, and this resilient, despite the obstructionists and naysayers.

[QUOTE=Tiny 12;2877932]Bridget may not be perfect, but I'd do her. [/QUOTE]Hmmmm....Question is, would she do YOU? (...kkkk!)

Meaning, she may have "turned the corner" and is now, [u]ONLY banging[/u] "LGBTQ pussy"? And doesn't want [i][b]Christian Ziegler, "limp dick"[/b][/i] anymore? Ergo, him desperately needing to [i]"get jiggy"[/i] elsewhere. I gotta say, it just raises a whole lot of unanswered questions.

Hey, on the flip side, 'tis good to see a [b]Republican[/b], embrace wanting to [b]bang "LGBTQ pussy",[/b] even if it is a hypocrite like, Bridget Zielger...again, no judgement here!

I'm just worried, that with you exhibiting such [i]"liberal values",[/i] you may have to turn-in your Repub conservative membership card...kkkK!

[QUOTE=Spidy;2878059]If by "spendthrifts", you mean Repubs stupidly, giving away money to billionaires, to produce another ineffectual "trickle-down" style economy, in the hopes that some crumbs will make it to working Americans, then you'd be correct about Republicans spendthrifts.

Point is, on Biden's watch (since he took office), [b]14 million jobs were created[/b]. IRA, infrastructure and Chip and Science Acts are naturally a big part of that jobs picture.

(...kkkk!) I know your not used to seeing good economics, especially after 4-years of Trump's ineptitude and bad stewardship from Repubs (or any stewardship for that matter), which is probably the reason you're full of doubts and is totally understandable, just as Rep.Chip Roy (R-TX), frustratingly, can't find [i][b]"one thing...one good thing"[/b][/i] Repubs have done.

But the 20 million jobs, YOU CAN BOOK IT! Biden created 14 million, with only 1.5 trillion. Project that out to 2.5 trillion, and the 6 million more jobs, is totally doable.

As for your [i]so called "heroes",[/i] the [b]"no nothing" DINOs[/b], and the ousted, [b]disgraced former speaker[/b] and the [b]Repub "pink trickle"[/b] House, all of which are either gone, soon to be gone, or will be shortly reduced to "pink drips", isn't saying very much, when it comes producing meaningful and substantive governance, economics and jobs for Americans.

All this GREAT economic data, DESPITE, your "so called heroes", trying their utmost to thwart Biden's economic measures.
11 months positive job gains in a row
better/stronger than expected November 2023 unemployment and job numbers. {ie. 19,000 more job created than expected}
the lowest in 50 years as the US payrolls rise 199,000; jobless rate drops to 3.7%
Unemployment rate the lowest since 1969
US Inflation, hovering around 3%, is the lowest in 2-years
14 million more jobs created since Biden Took office, than the 6 million for the same period for Trump

Yeah, 20 million jobs, in a Biden run economy...just BOOK it![/QUOTE]Sorry. OK, I get it now. You attended the EihTooms School of Economics. You're giving Biden credit for every job added in the USA from the day Biden took office, after the end of a pandemic-induced recession that represented the worst downturn since the Great Depression.

The total number of non-farm jobs in February, 2020 when COVID struck was 152,371,000, and there are 157,087,000 now. That's during a period when the working aged population increased from 205,608,000 to 209,039,000.

The EihTooms School believes that GDP growth and employment growth are only correlated to the party of the president, and all data must be interpreted to the benefit of Democratic presidents. Trump deserves all the blame for job losses during a worldwide pandemic, and Ronald Reagan deserves all the blame for a recession that started during the Carter Administration. Barrack Obama and Joe Biden deserve sole credit for all gains in GDP and jobs coming out of recessions. Any any GDP growth or increase in jobs during the Reagan and Trump administration (pre-COVID) were just because of conditions created by President Carter and President Obama respectfully.

I'm more a Chicago School adherent myself.

DINO's, LOL.

[QUOTE=Spidy;2878077]I'm just worried, that with you exhibiting such [i]"liberal values",[/i] you may have to turn-in your Repub conservative membership card...kkkK![/QUOTE]Well, you pegged me wrong, I'm a social liberal and an economic liberal. That's why the Marquis believes I'm one of Satan's children.

[URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_liberalism[/URL]