FKK Sharks - Darmstadt

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2029969]I'm really not a 50 30 mn guy, just when I don't enjoy, but never if I enjoy, but some guys don't have much money to spend, and some good girls like Mandy or Marina or Martina agree to work good job for 50 . It can be win-win for some not rich guys and some good girls.

Lazy girls seem to be more expensive than skillful girls.

Girls can go to Switzerland for higher rates, but how many at Sharks could get business there, with high level enough?[/QUOTE]Since some months, I meet my regulars in hotel. 3 hours or more, 1 h 100 e. Better for me, more relax, no stress, girls appreciate this a lot, because majority don't like to work in clubs and spend 100 e for entry, 20 e for taxe.

I have established a relationship of trust with some girls (a minority) which is reciprocal. They trust me, I trust them.

I think sessions 50 e are good the first time you go in room with a girl. After, if the feeling is good, why not to spend more time.

Also, I understand that some men don't have money for more.

[QUOTE=Optimist;2029991]JohnEllee. You went with 50 girls and they ALL complained about 30 minute sessions? How did this subject come up with 100% regularity.[/QUOTE]About 10 girls, I offered 1 hours session at our first-time room. Among other girls, half of them rejected 30 min session when repeated. For The rest half, I could tell their reluctance for 50-euro sessions.

[QUOTE=Optimist;2029991]Raising FKK prices will in no way, I believe, reduce the motivation for greedy workers to exploit whatever options they have to extract further extra money by limiting their service[/QUOTE]I don't believe changing minimum service time from 0. 5 hour to 1 hour is " Raising FKK price". The extension of every half hours is still 50 euros. Artemis pricing schema is 60 e for every half hour. I consider that case is the price rising.

[QUOTE=Optimist;2029991]I remember you saying that 3000 euros is nothing to you or most mongers. I wonder how many club regulars consider that to be nothing?[/QUOTE]Depending on scenarios. 3000 euros is nothing if I spent on right girls.

Yes I agree with you that it could be enormous money for someone if he only wants to spend 50 euro but still demand best looks and service.

No offense.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2030387]I m always happy for them when my girls say to retire or take time off.[/QUOTE]Some girls say they retire. Then they run out of money and come back. They just cannot get anything close to this income back in romania.

The dfk idea could work... I wonder about the girls reactions however. But it would be fun to find out...

You can't underestimate the impact of a mandated bundled service. We never hear about any girl sharking even foreign newbies about charging extras for BBBJ or refusing to provide it for reasons of not liking BBBJ etc. Why is that? Because any man can take her to the front desk if such a thing happens. In clubs in other countries where BBBJ is not bundled into the package and mandated by the management, it's all over the place: some girls provide, some charge $x and others charge $z, yadda yadda.

I hear the old timers that BBBJ was a standard component, every girl provided, and so on. But the genie is out of the bottle, and those days are long gone; ain't coming back. Now, some girls do and some don't. More often, they don't. If you are a regular and they think you will stay a regular, they might. In smaller clubs, more do. Yes, we know all these variants. But it still remains that not every girl is, and that's the crux of it.

I strongly suspect BBBJ market would have evolved the same as DFK in the last few years if it was left to the girls. It stayed the way it did in German clubs because clubs kept it as part of the basic package. Now, in a few weeks, that too is gone. And we will have this same lousy discussion all over again endlessly, except it will be "Lisa provided BBBJ but Maggie doesn't, Mary does but for an extra tenner" and so on. In fact, I wonder how many men will even fess upto getting it if the cops and prosecutors begin a real crackdown with hefty fines etc. Right now, guys keep lists of girls who provide AO and other forbidden services a secret or between close friends (I think; have no personal idea about this), and bbbj could end up in the same way.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2030458]Some girls say they retire. Then they run out of money and come back. They just cannot get anything close to this income back in romania.

The dfk idea could work... I wonder about the girls reactions however. But it would be fun to find out...[/QUOTE]I was very happy for Katalina. Ro when she said to retire on end of November, because job became too difficult for her. When she asked if I would miss her, I answered I was happy for her, but of course I would miss such a lovely, classy Moldavian Romanian woman, but after her public sex seen, when she returned for Globe Sylvester party, at the beginning I decided not to go, and later she became another WG for me, and when I was close, skiing in great Switzerland, I preferred to go to History or Swiss or disappointing Palace Luzern.

Even some are not able to understand, I'm always happy when my favorites are at home or want to retire, far from this bad job, and even I miss them, I don t worry because I know I will find new girls. Like in savannah, one disappear, at least one new will born.

[QUOTE=JohnEllee;2030442]About 10 girls, I offered 1 hours session at our first-time room. Among other girls, half of them rejected 30 min session when repeated. For The rest half, I could tell their reluctance for 50-euro sessions.

I don't believe changing minimum service time from 0. 5 hour to 1 hour is " Raising FKK price". The extension of every half hours is still 50 euros. Artemis pricing schema is 60 e for every half hour. I consider that case is the price rising.

Depending on scenarios. 3000 euros is nothing if I spent on right girls.

Yes I agree with you that it could be enormous money for someone if he only wants to spend 50 euro but still demand best looks and service.

No offense.[/QUOTE]When I spend only 50 € and only 30 mn with a girl, it's because I don't enjoy and I feel I lose my money. I prefer to spend 100 or 150 and take my time to enjoy a lovely, classy, sensual girl, but minimum monthly salary in France is only not much more than 1000, when it's 4200 in Switzerland.

Some German brothels good WGs make 15000, some Globe high level WGs make 25000.

[QUOTE=Jnpr30;2030474]I hear the old timers that BBBJ was a standard component, every girl provided, and so on. [/QUOTE]DFK is a standard component in some FKK and girls cannot refuse it. As I remember DFK is mandatory component in Babylon (Elsdorf), Bernds (Shifergof), former Panthera House (but not in Acapulco Gold), AO RCC clubs, etc.

[QUOTE=Jnpr30;2030474]You can't underestimate the impact of a mandated bundled service. We never hear about any girl sharking even foreign newbies about charging extras for BBBJ or refusing to provide it for reasons of not liking BBBJ etc. Why is that? Because any man can take her to the front desk if such a thing happens. In clubs in other countries where BBBJ is not bundled into the package and mandated by the management, it's all over the place: some girls provide, some charge $x and others charge $z, yadda yadda.

I hear the old timers that BBBJ was a standard component, every girl provided, and so on. But the genie is out of the bottle, and those days are long gone; ain't coming back. Now, some girls do and some don't. More often, they don't. If you are a regular and they think you will stay a regular, they might. In smaller clubs, more do. Yes, we know all these variants. But it still remains that not every girl is, and that's the crux of it.

I strongly suspect BBBJ market would have evolved the same as DFK in the last few years if it was left to the girls. It stayed the way it did in German clubs because clubs kept it as part of the basic package. Now, in a few weeks, that too is gone. And we will have this same lousy discussion all over again endlessly, except it will be "Lisa provided BBBJ but Maggie doesn't, Mary does but for an extra tenner" and so on. In fact, I wonder how many men will even fess upto getting it if the cops and prosecutors begin a real crackdown with hefty fines etc. Right now, guys keep lists of girls who provide AO and other forbidden services a secret or between close friends (I think; have no personal idea about this), and bbbj could end up in the same way.[/QUOTE]I am making last trip before July, then I may shift to Austrian club or Zurich club as I may get it or I may not in German club after July, but who want all these annoying negotiation etc.

[QUOTE=Jymondor;2030498]DFK is a standard component in some FKK and girls cannot refuse it. As I remember DFK is mandatory component in Babylon (Elsdorf), Bernds (Shifergof), former Panthera House (but not in Acapulco Gold), AO RCC clubs, etc.[/QUOTE]It used to be like that maybe but now I do not know any clubs that provide DFK as standard service, clubs I refer to are FKK. Unfortunately.

If it transfer to BBBJ, then I got to move on to FKK in other nation which are just across the mountain alps LOL.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2030532]It used to be like that maybe but now I do not know any clubs that provide DFK as standard service, clubs I refer to are FKK. Unfortunately.

If it transfer to BBBJ, then I got to move on to FKK in other nation which are just across the mountain alps LOL.[/QUOTE]I think at Babylon Elsdorf, LR, Bernds but very average faces there, may be more difficult to find a girl who upsell for kissing or BBBJ, than girls who fluently kiss and don't even know the word upselling, even mostly Romanians, some really passionate kisser.

Clubs don't have same standard services. Public foreplay at Bab and Bernds.

Lucy. De who kissed for free at Palace, was said later by other girls to ask extra 50. She was surprised I refused this extra when it's standard at Palace, but she kissed for free for our 4 first rooms.

I met a German beauty at Oceans, she said not kissing, I didn't go, I found her again at LR, and I really enjoyed her for over 1 hour.

In Switzerland, I never met a girl not fluently kissing as standard services. Lorena. Ro and Irina. Mold really passionate.

[QUOTE=Jymondor;2030498]DFK is a standard component in some FKK and girls cannot refuse it. As I remember DFK is mandatory component in Babylon (Elsdorf), Bernds (Shifergof), former Panthera House (but not in Acapulco Gold), AO RCC clubs, etc.[/QUOTE]Not quite correct, but I see where you are coming from.

I can only speak for Bernd's of course, but several Bernd's girls have told me that they indeed CAN refuse DFK to any gent for hygienic reasons (bad breath, too much alcohol, ++), but they have to be upfront with it giving the gent a chance to abort the session without having to pay. So; DFK is indeed a standard service that should be expected, but have no doubts; it can be refused.

What is unheard of, of course, is a Bernd's girl asking for extra for DFK or saying it is subject to 1 HR session. That will never happen.

John Ellee.

Thanks for the explanation: now your original comment makes sense to me.

No offence taken.

We have different views: 3000 on one girl is for me a lot of money.

After a few months spell away from FKK land I should be spending a weekend around FFM later in May.

Sharks is definitely on the list but I was wondering if one of my favorite girls is still working there: it's Angelika from Latvia, the milfy baltic lady.

Yes, I have a sweet tooth for big asses / thick hips / big naturals. Any other girl fitting the description you would recommend?

[QUOTE=MrHo;2030520]I am making last trip before July, then I may shift to Austrian club or Zurich club as I may get it or I may not in German club after July, but who want all these annoying negotiation etc.[/QUOTE]Problem with Switzerland is it's twice as expensive, not just sex but hotels and everything. Austria is also more expensive than Germany and DFK is rarer (see my post, the War on Kissing).

Any other FKK countries?

In general though the Achilles Heel of the FKK concept is that it makes sex centralized and so subject to the death-chilling embrace of Regulation.

I'm with Sirioja on this. I rarely take girls for less than an hour session and usually include one or two extras as well so I don't think much will change for me personally after July 1st. Secondly if you think about it, 50/30 has been the going rate for a long time- certainly since my 10 years of mongering in FKKs- and I can't think of another industry where the price has stayed the same for a decade or more! Those wanting the same service for 50 E which others who are willing to spent a lot more time and money on are living in a fool's paradise and are cheap fkkers! Think of it from a girl's perspective: why should she give the same level of service to a guy who is only paying 50 E as compared to someone paying her 250 E? Doesn't make sense right?

Of course as a buyer I would prefer if it stayed as it is but I am realistic enough to understand why a lot of girls no longer offer DFK and everything for just 50/30. If I was a FKK girl I wouldn't either. You can't expect to pay McDonald's prices and get Michelin star service! Since I've been a regular at many clubs I can still get my regular girls to give my DFK and excellent GFE services but that's because they know I am going to spend time with them of at least one hour although if I'm rushed and spend only 30 min they still give me the same level of service for 50. But I'd be naive to expect that from a girl I'm going with for the first time. Sure if it happens that's great and then almost certainly I'll extend to an hour or more with her so she'll become one of my regulars.

Just saying. As the girls say, 'No Money, No Honey! Maybe the advantage of this new law where I suspect only those willing to spend more than 50 will get BBBJ etc. Is that it'll weed out the cheapskates from the FKK mongering world thus raising the service for us all.

Who knows. Let's wait and see. Still after July 1st Germany will still remain the best price-to-service mongering place in the developed world.