FKK Sharks - Darmstadt

[QUOTE=HornyHarry;2031265]
Yup, so with the next government probably being a bunch of socialists teamed up with the Green Khmer tree-huggers, just imagine how they can (and will!) have a field day [/QUOTE]I appreciate your points. I just want to make sure that we are slandering the right folks.

The political parties we should be maligning are the CDU and their sister party, the CSU. They form a coalition with the SPD on most issues I understand. So, the CDU / CSU together with the SPD are the ones who are pretty much responsible for the July 1st law.

The Green Party however (also socialists like all major political parties in Germany) was the party who was staunchly against the July 1st law. In other words, the Green Party (that is, the ones who are most identifiable as the so-called "Tree Huggers") are the good guys. Granted, the main political parties have now all become more-or-less green in the environmental sense, which has taken away representation from the Green Party, making the Green Party a distinct minority in the German parliament. In other words, the success of the Green Party in advancing their environmental-friendly agenda has been their downfall. Now that they've "won" the environmental fight and everyone in Germany is now a tree-hugger, the Green Party has lost its previous attraction and has waned in popularity.

In any case, when anyone feels the need to lash out against someone for the July 1st law, please feel free to express your frustrations against the CDU / CSU (but not the Green Party). It probably doesn't make sense to lash out against "socialists" as being responsible for this law, because the people who opposed it (the Green Party) are socialists (ok, the people that favored the law are socialists too, but that is only because all the major political parties in Germany are socialists).

Pardon the brief diversion from the Sharks topic, but I just wanted to make sure that none of us were insulting the "good-guys" in this whole debacle.

Those more familiar with German politics, please feel free to add in or correct me as appropriate (but probably in the Chat and Lounge thread instead of here in the Sharks thread).

[QUOTE=PussyLiccker;2031283]So, is it taken account by sign in sheets? Craiova mentioned Dusseldorf model.

How is Sharks, Dusseldorf model?[/QUOTE]NRW Romanian girls don t pay tax. I was at LR on a Friday night when girls were controlled and given a number and a paper written in German. My girl doesn't speak German but said she doesn't want to pay tax. In EU, You can t be prosecuted without understanding why, same like my driving licence, good point for Romanian girls in NRW when tax is not included in entry.

[QUOTE=PussyLiccker;2031273]Not sure how much truth there is to this statement on the Zurich thread, but will point it out.

One punter claims in Globe, where the rate is 120 per half, he doesn't have chances with some girls because the girls go for long rooms (2 hrs stated) of known clients. Globe is known for DFK as requirement and if this is true, it's a way to maximize their earnings. It's the nature of the work, and depends on the environment.[/QUOTE]In any market the rich folks will outbid the Cheap Charlies. Not just limited to Switzerland.

[QUOTE=Akibono;2031316]In any market the rich folks will outbid the Cheap Charlies. Not just limited to Switzerland.[/QUOTE]I don't think it's legitimate at all to refer to anybody who chooses to bow out of the Swiss market as a "cheap Charlie". As I noted in a recent post I made in one of the Switzerland threads, Zurich is currently the third most expensive city in the world! And I believe that Geneva is in the top ten. I have chosen not to participate in the Swiss market based 100% on the price of poon (and most everything else), but I don't think too many people here are prepared to call me "cheap".

My standard session during my last mongering incursion into Germany ran roughly from 200 to 250 euros per session (hour-long sessions with anal and / or CIM). For most mongers, those reading this forum anyway, that's on the high end of expenditure. Now, I could afford to monger in Switzerland, but in order to maintain overall cost control and budgetary discipline, I would need to cut my number of session down to about half of what I would do in Germany.

In other words practice what I preach, which is that if you can't afford it, then fuck less! LOLOLOL! I'm not willing to do that at this point, so for now "European Headquarters" remain in The Fatherland. But, I'm certainly no "cheap Charlie" because I choose not to monger in Switzerland due to the cost of doing business there. I can get what I need from somewhere else for half the price, so I think my decision just makes me a good business-minded monger hehe! We'll see what happens after July 1st. That will certainly impact my calculus, but I'm not sure just yet how. May need to relocate to Austria, or pull out of Europe altogether and "invest" more money in South America. We shall see!

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[QUOTE=HornyHarry;2031177]So how does Sharks calculate THE tax then? Does it depend on the number of rooms a particular girl does?

Edit: I overlooked Caiova's post. So it's a bit like a flat rate Quellensteuer, that can be subtracted again if/when a girl does a proper German tax return?[/QUOTE]Correct. Sharks doesn't calculate THE tax, this is done by the tax authorities when (or better if) the girl makes her tax declaration. So if she was at the club 200 times that year she made a down payment on her income tax of 5000 EUR. If she has to pay 7000 EUR tax (just an example), the 5000 EUR will be deducted from that because she already paid the tax via the club. Of course she has to get the receipt for the 25 EUR / day from the club.

HB.

Does anyone know if Nikki (blonde) is from CZ or RO?

[QUOTE=HessenBub;2031363]Correct. Sharks doesn't calculate THE tax, this is done by the tax authorities when (or better if) the girl makes her tax declaration. So if she was at the club 200 times that year she made a down payment on her income tax of 5000 EUR. If she has to pay 7000 EUR tax (just an example), the 5000 EUR will be deducted from that because she already paid the tax via the club. Of course she has to get the receipt for the 25 EUR / day from the club.

HB.[/QUOTE]Interesting. In US, and I assume in many other countries, employers withhold taxes from employee paychecks every month and pay to the tax agency on behalf of the employee. However, the employer is including the employee real name, social security number, etc to match the payment with the correct ID of the employee. At year end, employee files a return, and makes any additional tax payment if needed, or sometimes collects a refund if already paid too much. Our famous April 15.

We hear in FKKs, the relationship is not of an employer-employee but that of a marketplace facilitator-freelance worker. But even that's ok, even a marketplace exchange can collect a tax. But then they have to submit all such amounts to the tax authorities and make sure they match the girl's name and ID. If not, on whose behalf are they paying? And do they even pay? When you mention the receipt, is the implication that if the girl failed to obtain a receipt, the club then might not submit the tax payment to the tax authorities? Is that legal? They did collect a tax payment on behalf of the girl but then fail to report that expense and submit. Or do they simply submit "we had 100 girls, here is 2500 E tax on their behalf, but we have no idea about the exact names and ID of those girls".

(Perhaps this is not a income tax but more of a sales tax type thing we have in the US - go to Costco, buy some goods, Costco collects sales tax from every customer, but there is no ID check, and Costco simply submits the sales tax proceeds to the government, almost as a pass through.)

When girls walk in, is there a bit more ID check of those girls as compared to guys? I never paid attention. We just pay cash, walk in. If the club is collecting a tax payment on behalf of the girl, there is an onus on the club to ID the girl to make sure tax payment is properly submitted, no?!

[QUOTE=Jnpr30;2031381]Interesting. In US, and I assume in many other countries, employers withhold taxes from employee paychecks every month [/QUOTE]Same here.

[QUOTE=Jnpr30;2031381]We hear in FKKs, the relationship is not of an employer-employee but that of a marketplace facilitator-freelance worker. But even that's ok, even a marketplace exchange can collect a tax. But then they have to submit all such amounts to the tax authorities and make sure they match the girl's name and ID. If not, on whose behalf are they paying? And do they even pay? When you mention the receipt, is the implication that if the girl failed to obtain a receipt, the club then might not submit the tax payment to the tax authorities? Is that legal? T[/QUOTE]Good question. Next question. LOL.

[QUOTE=Jnpr30;2031381]When girls walk in, is there a bit more ID check of those girls as compared to guys? [/QUOTE]There is, clubs have to check if the girls are allowed to work in Germany. And they take copies of their passports / IDs.

HB.

[QUOTE=HessenBub;2031363]Correct. Sharks doesn't calculate THE tax, this is done by the tax authorities when (or better if) the girl makes her tax declaration. So if she was at the club 200 times that year she made a down payment on her income tax of 5000 EUR. If she has to pay 7000 EUR tax (just an example), the 5000 EUR will be deducted from that because she already paid the tax via the club. Of course she has to get the receipt for the 25 EUR / day from the club.

HB.[/QUOTE]Interesting and surprising. If I may ask: isn't it a choice for the girls? To pay tax and benefit of the retirement or not pay tax at all? Because I once asked a girl how much left she has out of a thousand euro, surprisingly she answered me a thousand euro. I was worried that it could be dangerous for her to leave the club with so much money. She answered me money stays at Sharks. The only thing that decreased her income was the transfer of money to her country. Which surprised me as well because the free circulation of goods and people are supposed to be guaranteed by European Union.

[QUOTE=Jnpr30;2031381]Interesting. In US, and I assume in many other countries, employers withhold taxes from employee paychecks every month and pay to the tax agency on behalf of the employee[/QUOTE]Same in Europe, but you're forgetting that these people usually are on a fixed contract.

These girls working in prostitution are all freelancers and deal with cash only, hence it would be impossible to withhold anything. That's why a cashless / digital economy would probably have such a large impact, and that's why the tax department is so eager to get their hands on any money these girls make.

Think about it this way: would a stip club in the US withhold taxes from the strippers that work there? I don't think so, but correct me if I'm wrong.

In Switzerland you pay 240 per hour, but the girls only keep 50%.

And the club gets the rest.

My understanding was that US strip clubs are organized similar to German FKKs in that girls pay to work there, and they don't get paid, because they are technically considered contractors and not employees. And I don't think US strip clubs are withholding any tax fromstripper wages, not even as Sharks is supposedly doing with its 25 E as local experts suggested here. Anyway, that's what I was told, but I have no real knowledge about this.

As a matter of law, employers are required to withhold payroll tax from employees, unless the relationship is structured as contractors, I think. In some service industries like restaurants, where many staff members get paid mostly in tips, employers do have a challenge in terms of estimating how much the employee made. I think they are supposed to survey them and make an estimate, but I am sure there is a lot of under reporting. Of course in strip clubs, this underrpeorting must be much worse (as in, strippers likely pay very little tax even if some of them make six figures annually).

That said, this is hardly the only profession which is cash based. Food trucks, small businesses, individual service providers, (drug dealers? Probably many more that I am forgetting. I am glad it is not my problem but IRS' or whoever is the tax collection agency. And at least, the US is now mostly cashless but Germany being so cash-centric in their daily transactions, I wonder if tax evasion is rampant or no worse than in other countries.

I would not link the fact that strippers or hookers are underpaying taxes to a discussion of price levels for their services. The latter is strictly a supply and demand issue. Linking the two implies some sort of morality, as in "they deserve to get less because they pay no tax"; deserve has nothing to do with this. Secondly, not all strippers and hookers are cheating on taxes, and no reason some have to suffer for the sins of others; if Neymar cheats on taxes, will fans demand a cut in Ozil's salary? Finally, tax evasion happens at all levels and by many many people. It is the job of tax agency guys to find them, collect and then penalize the evaders. Just like we pay cops to police, we pay the tax agency employees to collect. Somehow linking that issue to a fee we pay for sex in a club makes little sense.

And I would say the same thing about linking how much girls supposedly make to what the price level should be. I never said 60E with mandatory kissing is a good idea "because girls are making too little or too much". Absurdly, people dragged this "oh many of them make 8 grand a month, and why should we reward them more"?! Messi and Ronaldo make too much and clubs and fans would pay them even more if they scored more goals. Some girls make one grand a month net of entry fee and some make ten or twenty grand; who knows and who cares. My proposal was based on "DFK is currently not mandated, so there is too much ambiguity in terms of what is included and not, and so many complaints involve expecting it but not getting it" If it is mandated today at 50E, few girls would go for it, and perhaps it might be more acceptable to both men and girls mandated at 60E. Simply put, I think there would be no or little supply for mandatory DFK at 50E but at 60 there *might* be.

[QUOTE=PokerWiesBaden;2031440]In Switzerland you pay 240 per hour, but the girls only keep 50%.

And the club gets the rest.[/QUOTE]Aphrodisia Zurich city is 500 CHF / h, Bumsalp is 290 .

Globe is 280 , History 198 , Swiss Dietikon 178/ h.

At Globe, girls pay for room each time they have a room, keep rest of money, and pay entry. History, Swiss and Palace Luzern are small brothers.

To work in Swiss brothels, girls have to be registered and Polizei know about their job. Swiss Polizei is much worse than German.

After Katalina, Isabella, Aurelia, Jessika silicon ex World, Megan seems happy about her new business and don t seem to have problem with staff, but she is high level for body care and is able to have little woman behavior. When Mainhattan high black socks little girl, but was only 19 yo, could become a Swiss star. Always easier when get good advice, just happy for her, she build faster her future life.

[QUOTE=PokerWiesBaden;2031440]In Switzerland you pay 240 per hour, but the girls only keep 50%.

And the club gets the rest.[/QUOTE]Almost the same system with Asian sauna club.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2031355]I don't think it's legitimate at all to refer to anybody who chooses to bow out of the Swiss market as a "cheap Charlie". As I noted in a recent post I made in one of the Switzerland threads, Zurich is currently the third most expensive city in the world! And I believe that Geneva is in the top ten. I have chosen not to participate in the Swiss market based 100% on the price of poon (and most everything else), but I don't think too many people here are prepared to call me "cheap".

My standard session during my last mongering incursion into Germany ran roughly from 200 to 250 euros per session (hour-long sessions with anal and / or CIM). For most mongers, those reading this forum anyway, that's on the high end of expenditure. Now, I could afford to monger in Switzerland, but in order to maintain overall cost control and budgetary discipline, I would need to cut my number of session down to about half of what I would do in Germany.

In other words practice what I preach, which is that if you can't afford it, then fuck less! LOLOLOL! I'm not willing to do that at this point, so for now "European Headquarters" remain in The Fatherland. But, I'm certainly no "cheap Charlie" because I choose not to monger in Switzerland due to the cost of doing business there. I can get what I need from somewhere else for half the price, so I think my decision just makes me a good business-minded monger hehe! We'll see what happens after July 1st. That will certainly impact my calculus, but I'm not sure just yet how. May need to relocate to Austria, or pull out of Europe altogether and "invest" more money in South America. We shall see!

[POST]2029871[/POST][/QUOTE]You don't read very well.