FKK Arabella / Villa Venus / Sauna Grimberg - NRW AO Clubs

I've got 6 nights in NWR (coming up from Frankfurt).

Last trip I stayed in Dusseldorf. Just the IBIS HBF. And mostly ate from the train station in evenings. During days took the train to different towns to visit the clubs (Grimberg, Venus and all the rest).

This trip thinking about staying someplace more central to the action. Either Essen or Bochum? To save a bit of time on the train commute from DUS.

In Frankfurt at night (if at hotel) will hit the Red Light District or some bars, maybe get some good food. But not sure where to make my home-base for the 6 nights in NWR?

Any ideas? Nightlife, food, and quality of RLD?

[QUOTE=ElephantBeer;2099391]I've got 6 nights in NWR (coming up from Frankfurt).

Last trip I stayed in Dusseldorf. Just the IBIS HBF. And mostly ate from the train station in evenings. During days took the train to different towns to visit the clubs (Grimberg, Venus and all the rest).

This trip thinking about staying someplace more central to the action. Either Essen or Bochum? To save a bit of time on the train commute from DUS.

In Frankfurt at night (if at hotel) will hit the Red Light District or some bars, maybe get some good food. But not sure where to make my home-base for the 6 nights in NWR?

Any ideas? Nightlife, food, and quality of RLD?[/QUOTE]I have done that trip a few times and find that there is the best selection of hotels in Essen near the HBF. The Intercity Hotel gives you a free transit pass and from there you can easily get to most AO clubs. I usually hit F39 and CLL, but Arabella and VV are also not far away. I really wish I could be there too, I love to visit the area and leave behind as many cream pies as I can.

[QUOTE=ElephantBeer;2099391]I've got 6 nights in NWR (coming up from Frankfurt).

Last trip I stayed in Dusseldorf. Just the IBIS HBF. And mostly ate from the train station in evenings. During days took the train to different towns to visit the clubs (Grimberg, Venus and all the rest).

This trip thinking about staying someplace more central to the action. Either Essen or Bochum? To save a bit of time on the train commute from DUS.

In Frankfurt at night (if at hotel) will hit the Red Light District or some bars, maybe get some good food. But not sure where to make my home-base for the 6 nights in NWR?

Any ideas? Nightlife, food, and quality of RLD?[/QUOTE]I have never stayed in Essen, as there are no FKKs there. For me the choice is between Bochum (Arabella, Grimberg and Freude are all within a single tram ride from the train station) or Duisburg (Venus within a tram ride, and La Luna within a short train ride). Duisburg seems like a more glitzy town, wheras Bochum has a more industrial feel. Having said that, if you can get a good rate, the Mercure Hotel in Bochum is my absolute favorite. It is across the street from the train station, rooms are nice and there is a pretty hot and super nice blonde receptionist on the evening shift, who in my humble opinion could easily work in a top 5 star hotel. The entrance to the tram station is literally a 30 second walk out the front door.

But it really boils down to location-where your main FKK focus of the trip is, that is where I would make my home base.

Train station food is better in Duisburg than Bochum, but in Bochum the Bermuda Triangle (Dreideck) entertainment area is a 10 minute walk away from the train station and has a ton of bars and restaurants-always very busy on weekends. There is a great sausage place there (if you like the quintessential German Bratwurst / Currywurst) -always a line outside.

I can't speak about the RLDs as I have never partaken-I think there is supposed to be one in Duisburg.

[QUOTE=SneraDog;2099507]I have never stayed in Essen, as there are no FKKs there. For me the choice is between Bochum (Arabella, Grimberg and Freude are all within a single tram ride from the train station) or Duisburg (Venus within a tram ride, and La Luna within a short train ride). Duisburg seems like a more glitzy town, wheras Bochum has a more industrial feel. Having said that, if you can get a good rate, the Mercure Hotel in Bochum is my absolute favorite. It is across the street from the train station, rooms are nice and there is a pretty hot and super nice blonde receptionist on the evening shift, who in my humble opinion could easily work in a top 5 star hotel. The entrance to the tram station is literally a 30 second walk out the front door.

But it really boils down to location-where your main FKK focus of the trip is, that is where I would make my home base.

Train station food is better in Duisburg than Bochum, but in Bochum the Bermuda Triangle (Dreideck) entertainment area is a 10 minute walk away from the train station and has a ton of bars and restaurants-always very busy on weekends. There is a great sausage place there (if you like the quintessential German Bratwurst / Currywurst) -always a line outside.

I can't speak about the RLDs as I have never partaken-I think there is supposed to be one in Duisburg.[/QUOTE]Thank you very much for this post, very useful information. I know it is probably entirely safe to rent cars in Germany but I simply don't want the liability or the risk. I'd rather pay extra for cabs (and trains) than assume the BS that potentially could come from a car rental, just me. The ' car thread' is only confirming some of the reasons I have. To each their own, no disrespect meant to any of the car renters who do it regularly. I'm debating between Frankfurt and the NRW or combining them for December's birthday trip. Are the entry fees and price per session the same across the board pretty much and how would you rank the clubs (top 3, 3 days up there, one each day).

Thanks for the post, very useful info.

[QUOTE=KosherKowboy;2099606]Thank you very much for this post, very useful information. I know it is probably entirely safe to rent cars in Germany but I simply don't want the liability or the risk. I'd rather pay extra for cabs (and trains) than assume the BS that potentially could come from a car rental, just me. The ' car thread' is only confirming some of the reasons I have. To each their own, no disrespect meant to any of the car renters who do it regularly. I'm debating between Frankfurt and the NRW or combining them for December's birthday trip. Are the entry fees and price per session the same across the board pretty much and how would you rank the clubs (top 3, 3 days up there, one each day).

Thanks for the post, very useful info.[/QUOTE]There is no need to take a cab to reach any of these clubs-all are easily reachable by public transport and a short walk.

Venus, Arabella, Grimberg and Verena are all very similar, with same pricing- EUR 30 for entry and EUR 30 to the girl for 25 mins. They will have about 7-9 girls each.

Freude has many more girls (around 20), but also more expensive-I think that it is EUR 30 for 20 minutes and additional EUR 10 for any extras negotiated directly with the girl (if she provides them, many will not). Entry fee is also EUR 30 but drops to EUR 10 after 9 PM-which is also when it gets much busier.

La Luna sometimes has way too few girls (as few as 3), entry is EUR 20 and if I remember correctly EUR 60 to the girl for 30 mins.

As to which one is best-they are all very similar so there is really no right or wrong answer here, except I would personally put La Luna at the bottom due to low number of girls and steeper pricing. But again, that is just my subjective opinion and others will disagree, especially if you got with Kathy who is famous for her super-GFE approach.

40 euros at la luna if you don't want the specialty.

I am planning to double on hotels one night since my one in Frankfurt is so cheap and train it to the NRW to try two of these clubs (outside shot have car.) I plan to leave FRA early in the AM with a backpack for one night (the same one I use to transport towels in) and go right to Club One, get a hotel nearby and the next day go to Club Two and that night after rush hour head back to my home base in Frankfurt. I do not know the traffic patterns headed north after the breakfast hour from Frankfurt but I can always stop at Finca for a few hours if that Cologne / Dusseldorf / Essen area is packed at lunchtime and I can only assume come 14:00-19:00 traffic probably sucks.

Entry fees and cost per session are mute points, it is splitting hairs and the absolute least thing of considerations. There is one non AO girl at Dietzenbach and if I didn't know any better from other guys there I would risk a ' wasted punt' for my purposes if I go to the NRW and get an ' Andrea' so I am looking for clubs that have the highest success rate and enough girls in the club to have options and not have to deal with grabbing them immediately once they are finished due to overcrowding of testosterone although my high standards of hygiene might make grabbing them immediately not such a bad thing.

What two clubs would be best to meet the above goals to get a taste and feel (literally and figuratively) of the NRW if going by car and the same question if using public transport w/o a car. I do want to explore up there but I can also be very content with the Frankfurt options if it comes down to a wash. Since I can accomplish my goals pretty quick in these clubs as they can get boring I would not mind staying in Dusseldorf city at a high end hotel and enjoying a five course meal at a fine upper scale restaurant. Since it is my birthday trip I do not not mind one night of a tad pricier hotel/dining experience

Feel free to PM me, no detail is too dirty for me but understand some want to keep such off the boards publicly. The best 2 ( if by train) and the best 2 ( if by car)

I can't help you a lot but the Villa Venus is reachable from Dusseldorf by public transport without too much hassle. Use the VRR app or google maps for the timetables and the route, it's very reliable. If my memory is correct the tram going to VV runs underground at the Duisbrug Hbf, it can be a little hard to find it. The two clubs at Bochum (F39 and Arabella) should be reachable too but they're further from Dusseldorf.

For the traffic I remember one time going from PSR to Dusseldorf at 4 pm and it was a pain in the ass, the problem is that the Germans love to make works on their autobahns.

FWIW F39 should be one of your two choices. It's bigger and nicer than the other RTCs.

If you have a car you might also want to consider going to one of the AO gang bangs if the timing works out. You will find some very messy girls there.

Traffic.

Avoid going past Koln before 10.00 and between 16.00 and 18.30: schedule 20 minute delay.

Eastwards to Duisburg is bad between 15.30 and 19.30 (schedule 30 minute delay plus) north is also bad (schedule 20 minute delay).

East- West to and from Essen is bad in rush hour periods.

Of course it varies enormously day to day.

It is essential to have Live Traffic on a sauna or phone: it can save hours.

Heading to Bochum tomorrow, plan to hit Arabella on Friday plus some swinger clubs over the weekend. Pm me if anyone is around and wants to meet up?

[QUOTE=Optimist;2102589]Traffic.

Avoid going past Koln before 10.00 and between 16.00 and 18.30: schedule 20 minute delay.

Eastwards to Duisburg is bad between 15.30 and 19.30 (schedule 30 minute delay plus) north is also bad (schedule 20 minute delay).

East- West to and from Essen is bad in rush hour periods.

Of course it varies enormously day to day.

It is essential to have Live Traffic on a sauna or phone: it can save hours.[/QUOTE]Use google map from far the best, even guys with very expensive Mercedes etc are using google in their car.

[QUOTE=SneraDog;2099855]There is no need to take a cab to reach any of these clubs-all are easily reachable by public transport and a short walk.

Venus, Arabella, Grimberg and Verena are all very similar, with same pricing- EUR 30 for entry and EUR 30 to the girl for 25 mins. They will have about 7-9 girls each.

Freude has many more girls (around 20), but also more expensive-I think that it is EUR 30 for 20 minutes and additional EUR 10 for any extras negotiated directly with the girl (if she provides them, many will not). Entry fee is also EUR 30 but drops to EUR 10 after 9 PM-which is also when it gets much busier.

La Luna sometimes has way too few girls (as few as 3), entry is EUR 20 and if I remember correctly EUR 60 to the girl for 30 mins.

As to which one is best-they are all very similar so there is really no right or wrong answer here, except I would personally put La Luna at the bottom due to low number of girls and steeper pricing. But again, that is just my subjective opinion and others will disagree, especially if you got with Kathy who is famous for her super-GFE approach.[/QUOTE]Nice round up of the pricing.

I was in Bochum for a few days last weekend but didn't make it to Arabella after. Still its an easy trip from either Gelsenkirchen or Bochum. Take tram 302 to stop Lohrheidestrae, 23 minutes from Bochum HBF. From there its a 400 meter walk.

Swingers club P3 is just 2 stops away at August-Bebel-Platz.

After several days down at Dietzenbach, I figured I would try out a couple of the RTCs in NRW. Villa Venus was first because I had been there in June and had very good sessions with Larissa and Diana.

Arrived right after 8 PM and got the discounted entry of 15 Euro. No pictures of the lineup at the desk.

The place was surprisingly full. I counted at least 12 girls working and maybe 5 guys, and nearly every couch was taken. After my shower, I found an empty spot and scanned the merchandise. Unfortunately, I was not very impressed. Half were older ladies, at least mid 30's, and one who had to be in her 40's. Even most of the younger girls were not optically enticing. I would say 10 of the working girls were 4's or 5's on the Tripter Scale. No Larissa and no Diana. But there was one girl I would rate a 7 and one an 8.

So, of course, I sat next to the 8. She told me her name is Anna from Romania. Very thin, pretty face, small breasts, lip piercing, long straight black hair, a few tattoo groupings of butterflies. Immediately after introductions, she fondled me under the towel and stuck her tongue in my mouth. Excellent! She doesn't speak much English and I speak two words of Romanian, but we got along just fine. The room was very good. DFK, BJ, 3 position shuffle, bang! Very well done, and she's a sweet girl.

I knew I probably didn't have another shot in me after one room at Dietz and the drive up, so I showered again and headed out.

The Good: Did I really just bang a hot girl for 45 Euro all in? Yes. Yes, I did. If you enjoyed sessions here six months ago, you will most likely enjoy sessions here today. At least from my individual sample.

The Bad: Lots of average looking girls. Not a place I would want to hang out in for very long.

The Ugly: One seriously older woman. Lots of girls I would never room with.