Phnom Penh

Chirstopherd does not read properly, I live here and have up to date info always. Mikado closed more than 6 months ago, everyone in PP knows why, I said that eden had EX girls from various places.

Many girls move around or are sacked for working out of hours, getting a phone number is always the best policy.

LCC had a few nice youngsters the other night, eden has veterans.

Hi all,

I have been PP and Cambodia in January and go again in November. I know about the 10$ST and 20$ LT.

But I saw many people who take the girl also the whole day and for travel, . Full service, like part time girl friend.

How much is it about per day to take such a girl; any experiences?

TY michael

sook-see-bye’s phnom penh

[b]disclaimer[/b]
this report is based on personal experiences and is current as of august-september 2008. as things change very rapidly in cambodia, please don’t place too much reliance on any reports (inc this one) as details go if more than a couple of months old! it’s nowhere near comprehensive but is written to be as helpful as possible.

[b]orientation[/b]
roads basically run as a numbered grid, even numbered roads running east to west and odd numbered roads running north to south. central phnom penh is the area west of the river from wat phnom in the north (about street 92) to wat lanka and the independence monument in the south (sihanouk boulevard or about 276). some of the bigger streets have names. the three main north-south streets in this area are monivong boulevard, norodom boulevard and sisowath quay.

street 51 (also called pasteur) runs north-south to the west of norodom.

for accommodation and mongering purposes, street 51 and sisowath quay (with a few joining streets in the region of street 136) are the two main choices. i think this is more helpful than a list of bars as many bars change frequently and, once you decide on your home stomping place, it is easy enough to find and explore them yourself.

[i]street 51[/i] includes walkabout and heart of darkness and ‘the strip’ – which is a succession of bars aimed at the single male (and from which women can be extracted with varying amounts of ease and difficulty). although regular tourists wander in, it is an area where the monger does not look out of place, no matter how old, lecherous, unwashed and grubby. cyrcee is in a parallel street a couple of blocks north of heart of darkness with a few illegal brothels in between.

[i]sisowath quay[/i] on the other hand, is the upmarket area catering for mainstream tourists or those that like their creature comforts, and mongers stand out rather more. most of the bars with pdp (and many guest houses) are located a few yards away in the streets running off sisowath. one or two bars, like sharkey’s, are equidistant from both. although the whole of the area can just about be covered on foot, norodom can be a pain to cross in rush hour. when i arrived, i was lucky to cross it in five minutes. by my second visit i had it down to half a minute ([i]see[/i] tips on traffic in my cambodia general report).

i personally preferred street 51 area. it has plenty of options within very close range of each other even if the lower end predominates. the main hassle is from being offered motos, but i found many got to know me and we could make a joke of it (remember they’re only trying to earn a living). the hit and miss of walkabout is balanced by the more reliably good-looking options in cyrcee or (if you can handle it) heart of darkness. but street 51 is also only yards from the smell of human excrement in back-alleys. not cambodia at its most horrific, but pretty bad.

sisowath quay, in contrast, is cambodia re-packaged for tourists and rich cambodians. there’s greater choice of places that are ‘civilised’ according to western standards. rooms aren’t necessarily more expensive. the sh*t and p*ss of life is better hidden. one of the main annoyances is schoolkids trying to sell you the free newspaper or cello-wrapped bootleg copies of lonely planet and any other book tourists buy. just tell then they should be in school. sisowath, especially a bit further south, has some genuinely appealing (non-pdp) locales. fcc is a very civilised place to have lunch or dinner. the royal palace area is a nice area for enjoying the sunshine, as is the (quieter and more secluded) garden in the national museum. for those of you who have contemplated paying ross jeffries $$$ to learn how to control your mind and influence women, you can get the basics of mind-control from one of the few places that teach genuine buddhist meditation at the nearby wat lanka (the senior monk speaks english). free, but if you’ve never sat cross-legged for an hour it might seem like hard work at first.

other main choices in terms of accommodation are a) guest house or 24hr hotel? and b) do you want a place with pdp blatantly available on site? guest houses mean getting security to let you in and out late at night whereas with a hotel you can mostly just waft in. for pdp on-tap, walkabout is the main venue on 51, and a new bar called candy bar (street 136, a few yards off the quay) the only really promising equivalent i’ve found in the sisowath area ([i]see[/i] accommodation, below). one advantage many hotels have is that tuktuks hang about outside, which is handy if there’s a downpour and you need transport.

free maps (eg ‘visitors guide map supplement') and guides (eg 'phnom penh after dark', 'phnom penh out & about', 'phnom penh drinking & dining') are available at just about every bar, restaurant, guest house and hotel. you won’t need them after the first day, but they are good to collect and skim through while you get your bearings.

[b]arrival[/b]
from the airport, $7 is standard just now for a tuktuk, more for taxis. from the bus drop-off (near central market), walkabout or sisowath is almost walking distance and shouldn’t really cost more than $1. but you are hemmed in when you get off the bus and unless you really know your way and want to walk you probably have to cough up $3 tuktuk, especially if it’s rush hour.

[b]accommodation[/b]
here’s some places i’ve stayed at. the first two are street 51 area. the third is between 51 and sisowath.

1. walkabout. first time i checked it out the rooms looked awful value so i didn’t stay. second time i went i was offered a top floor room (same price, $15 inc extra large double bed, a/c and hot water) which was much nicer, so took it. there are sometimes cheaper rooms at £12. the locks on the doors are no worse than the rest of cambodia (not such a big deal if you lock your backpack and then lock it to some furniture). and there is a locked ‘residents only’ door before you get to the rooms. with the room, i also got a (free) key for a padlocked personal security locker on the ground floor. they like you to leave the key behind when you go out but i prefer keeping it on me as it saves breaking the flow when taking a girl up to the room. security on the front door checks girls in. they ask you to check with them when you take a girl to a room (for your own security) but don't enforce this. drinks are very reasonably priced. food is tolerable but there are better options i felt in the vicinity. rooms serviced daily. pool tables on ground floor and first floor. chess available from the bar (if ben is reading this, thanks for the games – you should have won!) if you want to check out late, they have a standard charge of half the room rate up to 4pm. open and active 24hrs, 7 days a week. walkabout is on the crossroads of streets 51 (no.109) and 174. [url]http://walkabouthotel.com/[/url]

2. tiko. if you cross street 51 from walkabout and continue 10 yards along street 174 you find this bar-restaurant-guesthouse on the left. it’s run by a nice middle-aged vietnamese woman and some of the rooms are impressive at $15. the downside perhaps is that she is married to a frenchman who can be drunk and a bit abusive to her so domestics were not uncommon when i was there. about as close to w'bout as you can get, as are two or three similar places.

3. cyclo. continuing along street 174, cross norodom boulevard and go north (left) a block to street 172. cyclo is a beautiful french-run establishment and the rotund and affable owner (jean pierre) reminds me of gerard depardieu in city of ghosts (only he’s cleaner and more upmarket than depardieu’s character). rooms (from $15) are exquisitely clean and well-appointed with modern furniture. the restaurant at its best is superb french cuisine and some khmer. (if the chef is out, don’t expect the same standards though.) nice crisp linen napkins. as it’s only a block from walkabout and heart of darkness, it’s ideal for those who like to slum it when out but return to nice crisply hygienic settings. cyclo also has a luxury suite if you’re travelling in a small party or just want to pamper yourself – very nice indeed. the main downside perhaps is that cyclo is near a noisy karaoke bar.

if you fancy the walkabout area, there’s no reason not to get a tuktuk to walkabout and let him run you around the hotels and guest houses (of which there are many) in the immediate vicinity – from a few yards away to a block or two away. most are around $15. flamingoes (just around the corner from w'bout) wanted $25 for a skankier room than walkabout so i didn’t stay there. there’s also a list of no-no’s that includes no washing clothes in your room. four seasons opposite flamingoes has a gym at $4 a day for visitors.

i had been planning to stay in the sisowath area for a while but when i went casually along to bogie and bacall’s (on street 136, just off sisowath), the owner dave managed to talk me out of it with his whining about letting people in and out for late night sts. the rooms are ok, clean enough, nothing special. the bogie and bacall theme doesn’t seem to extend beyond the name. i wasn’t impressed with his bar prices or his miserable attitude, but i no doubt caught him on an off-day (he was quite affable on another occasion). other people on the forum have found it an ok guest house. the $15 room includes continental breakfast. he also offers free laundry if you stay more than a few days.

another guest house i looked at nearby (street 110, no.27) was chi cha guest house. this is an indian or pakistani or bangladeshi place. the kitchen and entrance weren’t that inviting but the room, at $10 with a/c and a nice view over the street, was an impressive bargain.

but my first choice if staying in sisowath area in the future may probably be candy bar (street 136, nos 24-25). this is almost like an upmarket version of walkabout. very clean and enjoyable atmosphere. gorgeous girls (i took one home), straightforward barfines, and its 24hrs. it’s fairly newly opened and the guest rooms weren’t quite ready when i looked but they expect them to be open next month.

[b]pdp[/b]
i’ve mentioned a lot of the options already, but here’s another run-down. for an up-to-date version, check it out yourself as it changes in the space of a month. mikados, dingos, seem to have shut. dv8 has moved a few yards and doesn’t seem to have on-site rooms but is fun even if the girls are a bit full-on. pp easy to explore, so you don’t really need a list of bars that much.

walkabout has a mix of uglies, do-able ones and stunners. it’s more competitive early evening when the girls enjoy a game of pool with their mates. remarkably, some people are unable to score here, sitting on a barstool like a terrified chicken, or walking over and interrupting the best looking girl as she’s about to pot a ball and propositioning her. but for anyone with a bare minimum ability to approach women it is easypeasy. they also talk to each other so you can establish a reputation (eg be nice to them in bed – much more effective than paying too much or buying them drinks imo) and get the best girls to approach you. the standard of pool is generally abysmal.

near walkabout – ie places you will see without a map as soon as you walk out – are many bars but some of them seem to concentrate on selling drinks rather than getting girls out with customers. having said that, shanghai’s is pleasant for its full-on a/c (most cambodian a/c is only barely better than a fan). heart of darkness (my favourite pp bar) is empty early on but still full of atmosphere. all it needs is an opium den and a side-room for russian roulette. after 12 it is hooching. mix of freelancers, tourists (including women tourists), gangsters and just people who go for the (first rate) dance music and dance floor. i have seen a couple of foreigners let loose in heart which is pretty stupid. they seem off their faces probably on amphetamine, having a wild time, looking like prats, and bumping into people. it is not the place to do that. i say this to one idiot, who has already been threatened by a beefy american after knocking into his drinks. i say it’s not the place to go mental. people can die here. he asks me if i want trouble, giving me a punch. it bounces off. i touch the bouncer’s arm and suggest that the pratt wants to go home. he’s ejected before he can get himself into serious bother. heart has some gorgeous women. check out, i’d advise personally, who you are competing with or if they are spoken for before making a move or accepting too much flirting from them. the standard of pool in heart is generally top notch.

if you carry on up street 51 past heart and take the next right you reach a street that runs parallel called street 49. turn left up street 49 for 2 blocks and you come to cyrcee club on the left (6pm to 2am). gorgeous women. make sure they are old enough (take your beer goggles off to check!) you can sit at the bar and get your dick played with by a couple of women for an hour or two. buy them the occasional (quite cheap, standard price $3) lady-drink or tip them if they get you off for instance. rooms on the premises as long as they trust you. if you take one home, you can avoid the barfine ($7 overnight) if you get her back within the hour. between heart and cyrcee are many knock-shops but they speak zero english so check your sign language or basic khmer is up-to-speed. if you don’t see them, ask a moto to ‘show’ you – then go back on your own to get a better price. some of these looked bonded, which is not to my taste. some are just a bit ugly. but the options are there.

you can walk to the sisowath bars from cyrcee but at that time of night you might as well pay $1 for a moto. from cyrcee, continue a few yards further north (left out of cyrcee) to the main road, street 130. turn right and you soon get to sharky’s. this is a large upstairs bar. it was far too americanised for my taste, and i didn’t find the talent that good, but a lot of people probably find it a good bar to just hang out. if you’re going further to martini’s, the moto will probably charge you $2 at this time of night. personally i didn’t find martini’s worth the effort. nice layout, some nice girls, but not worth going all the way up to street 95. however, it has a well-established reputation so probably worth checking out and making up your own mind. half way from 130 to 95 is the pickled parrot (street 104). another well-established place, 24hrs and with rooms on the premises but still my least favourite bar. it's as if it wants to pretend its not in cambodia. i also found the area rather unattractive and past its best.

there’s also a row of illegal brothels along the quay just south of the japanese friendship bridge, much like the ones between heart and cyrcee only more blatantly obvious. they’re open during the day.

[b]food[/b]
if you’re near sisowath you can be spoilt for choice. around walkabout, i would recommend:

family soup restaurant – one block south. a big restaurant with two floors. the choices are barbecue and hot pot, both a true cambodian eating experience. you add the ingredients yourself at the table. (i found one english-speaking staff who was a help in choosing items.) junction of street 51 and street 184. you can also find a mini-market down this way for your 7/11 type needs.

suzume japanese kitchen and pub. a bit further down (near the junction of street 51 and street 254). friendly and authentic japanese food at very reasonable prices. there’s a walled cafe opposite called elsewhere that offers hammocks to relax in.

pyongyang restaurant. 400 monivong boulevard. (special enough to justify the moto ride away). awesome north korean eating experience with north korean arts show (song, dance, music) included. show starts about 8pm. menu can be a little intimidating but the food was outstanding.

on the other hand, if you just want average food more or less like it is back home, the likes of shanghai’s and sharky’s should keep most folk happy. or for an upmarket breakfast, go to the hotel just before monivong.


other quick cambodia overviews: [url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=791957&postcount=33[/url]

Compared to the rooms I saw at Flamingos ($25) and some of the rooms at Walkabout (about $14), rooms at these two guest houses (both $15) were much, much nicer.

(Walkabout does have some nicer rooms though as I found out later).

first, let me thank all of the guys here (again) whose excellent posts and pms made me less of a stranger to phnom penh than would otherwise have been the case.

i arrived on saturday night, exhausted from an enervating but enjoyable threesome the night before in manila (as described in the dragon slayer's forum), and the flights from manila to singapore and from singapore to phnom penh; so exhausted that i knew i could never last the duration of a true pub crawl. one of the true disadvantages of old age is that you just take a much longer time to recover.

i had a driver of a friend of mine meet me at the airport, so no hassle there, and i got through the visa purchase/passport control/baggage and customs formalities in about 10 minutes, which was a truly pleasant surprise. as was the airport, which is clean and reasonably efficient. the driver was waiting just outside with a sign with my name on it, so i was out of the airport and in the car within 20 minutes or so of landing.

following the recommendation of several people who had posted herein, i had booked a room for two nights at the riverside. for me, this was a mistake as i'm too old, too crotchety and have become too much of a lover of comfort to tolerate the dim stairwells, seedy looking rooms and the low end tourists frequenting the place. i'm not trying to start a flame war here. this hotel would have been fine for me when i was younger and life was an adventure. it just no longer is, and i knew i would never last two nights.

i did stay there the first night, and other than the above, have no complaints. the staff were courteous. the room, though shabby, was clean. about an hour after my 6:30 arrival at the hotel, i negotiated a 3 hour price with a tuk-tuk driver and headed to the walkabout since i knew, from having read this board, that it was too early to try most of the other places. walkabout, like the riverside, was just not for me, and i knew i would not hang around there long. i did meet and chat with a truly gorgeous woman, but she was not that friendly. when i asked her if the guy with whom she was chatting when i walked in was a boyfriend, she said: "no, just a customer, but he would not pay me $20 for short time so i told him i would not go with him." when i asked for her definition of short time, she told me one hour. again, from reading this board, i know that it's a ridiculous price, but i was curious and asked her how much for long time overnight? she immediately responded $50. i laughed, and got into a conversation with a french guy standing at the bar.

as an aside, i should add that after only about 36 hours in country, it's been a real advantage to me to speak french. most of the guys i have met, and there have been several so far, have been french, many are long-term residents, several own restaurants, and i've gotten some good advice from them.

at about 8:30, i clambered aboard my tuk-tuk again and headed to martinis. it was exactly as described and though i knew i was early, there were several ladies rep001tered around. in fact, i recognized one of the vietnamese ladies from a picture posted by one of the guys here. she was extremely friendly but i was not ready and headed for the outdoor bar, stopping by the food bar on the way to order a bruschetta with chicken, as i realized i had not eaten for hours.

the food was delivered to the bar and was not at all bad, and neither were the two ice cold coronas i drank while getting acclimated. as i was sitting there, fighting sleep and wondering whether to call it a night and get some rest, i noticed an adorable little spinner passing below the bar, and we smiled at each other. she came up, gave me a hug, started chatting and i figured this was as good as it was going to get given my somnolent state. she was truly beautiful: slim, nice-sized boobs, no baby, great face, and from seam reap. negotiated a long-time price of $25, which i know is about $5 over the top, but i didn't care. i was just too tired.

back at the hotel, things unfolded as expected. she was lovely, if a bit mechanical, moaning and groaning in all the right places and the service, if not intense, was satisfactory. however, by the end of it all, i was beyond tired and she wanted to watch tv as she wasn't tired at all, so i gently tossed her out, after paying the agreed up price. the truncated meeting was not her fault at all and she was perfectly willing to honor the deal. i'm the one whose mind was changed so i didn't feel ripped off.

i then slept for about 12 hours, stopped by one of the innumerable french cafes for crepes (excellent) and cappucino (also excellent) and made my way down to the hotel bougainvillier, on the same street and facing the river as well.

this hotel had been recommended strongly by giotto of the thailand/giotto forum and, as i know him to be a man of excellent tastes, i was ready to take his recommendation. it's a truly lovely hotel. french-owned with all the amenities including in-room internet and granted, it's three times the price of the riverside, but to me, it's worth it. the suites are all on the river and all have small balconies with chairs, and i will stay here for the rest of my time in phnom penh. plasma tvs on the wall, in-room safes, new furnishings, and in the middle of dozens of small, french restaurants. my kind of neighborhood. there are also dozens of bars on the street and around the various corners.

tonight, i was determined to hit sharkey's and perhaps le cyrcee, but wanted to check out a bar called the golden vine on street 104 beforehand. i had read a post by someone who swore that this bar, at least when he was there, had the best looking girls in town.

so, about 9:15 i hired another tuk-tuk and we found the place easily. it's impressive, and there were about 15 girls, which was a little crowded for such a small place. to make a long story short, i wound up at an outside table talking to a french guy who has been here numerous times but doesn't live here, and while talking to him, spotted another lovely little khmer girl. i wound up sitting around talking to this guy till 11 or so, and eating at le marmite restaurant next door, taking the little khmer girl with me. this one, who is now sleeping in my bed as a write this, turned out to be fantastic in all respects and well worth the $5 bar fine.

the bar is run by a no nonsense vietnamese lady, who speaks good english, no french, and is fun to talk to. many of the girls are stunners, and i have no idea if they're the best looking in town, but if you go there, i doubt you will be disappointed.

so far, having found a great hotel, i'm having a great time. the food so far has been excellent. the french wine is abundant, as are the ladies. tomorrow, it's sharkey's for sure, and then le cyrcee. after that. who knows?
ge

Couple of good reports there chaps, can't understand why chris didn't like 104 street. Piclked parrot is good for food and sports, better than the gym bar with mr grumpy running it.

Rose bar in 104 has excellent food and nice girls, nightowl is open all hours and has the best lineup in PP, with some lovely virgins.

Bunny bar in 104 has really nice girls and no barang, and not forgetting chang bar with about a dozen filipinos.

Not for most of us here, a bit on the big side but nice faces and that Us accent grates a bit.

Midway bars on 108 on the corner of 51 inc golden vine always worth a look. Just to be pedantic chris, martini is south of the action off monivong near st 360 in toul sleng.

Lots of gems in the bars, they are all worth a look but for guaranteed satisfaction go to LCC or tahiti eden, no prima donnas there.

Walkabou always interesting, especially for breakfast, PP residents often ST there on the way to work.

[QUOTE=Phil Istine]Chirstopherd does not read properly, I live here and have up to date info always. Mikado closed more than 6 months ago, everyone in PP knows why, I said that eden had EX girls from various places.[/QUOTE]Well excuse me for opening my mouth and taking the time to try to write helpful reports. I didn't find your one-liner very clear. Perhaps not everyone on the board lives in PP. At least most people try to be polite, but as you are the expert I am more than happy to leave it to you to write the lot. I spend quite a bit of time taking notes while travelling, as well as contributing, but there are other boards on ISG that maybe welcome contributions more.

I enjoyed Good Enough's report - cheers, mate!

Chill out bro.

No one needs to flame anyone here, I just corrected you. I did congratulate you on a good report apart from the geography but this info helps everyone.

GGC is the place for all the best stuff but I do what I can to keep people on track. What PP locals are good at is having such a good time that petty disputes are rare.

Keep on trucking chris.

I'm getting somewhat acclimated now, both geographically and psychologically, and really enjoying the city, which is so much different in most respects than anyplace in the Philippines. For me, as an avid Francophile, the availability of French food and wine is enough to make me want to return.

I was having a beer yesterday afternoon at one of the smaller cafes on the Quay, and shooting the breeze with an Aussie of about my age. He introduced me to one of the ladies who works as a waitress in the cafe, but was off that day, and I offered her a drink. She and her sister sat at the table and had cokes, and I made a date to see her for lunch today. Very pretty 23 year old and I doubt seriously that anything's going to happen, but nothing ventured nothing gained, so we'll see.

I decided last night to continue with my bar exploration, and decided to begin a Sharkey's since it's one of the better known large FL bars that's always mentioned by guys who post here. The place reminded me more than a little of LA Cafe in Manila, except that it's smaller, cleaner, and plays better music. I got there about 10 and there were very few people: more men than women, and most of the women who were there were not terribly fetching. I did wind up talking to a very pretty girl in her mid-twenties, and I might have considered her, but she kept dividing her time between her sister, who actually worked behind the bar, and me, and eventually I just got pissed off and stopped talking to her after buying her a beer. I did not however, stop talking to her before she had introduced me to her even better looking friend who again, I would have considered grabbing, but the friend explained that she had a baby at home and would only go for short time. Not interested.

I then meandered over to DV8 which is around the corner from my hotel. It's a nice place, with about 25 ladies, but none of them really appealed to me, though they were friendly and aggressive. As I was already on a hostess bar roll, I decided to check out Le Cyrcee next, and was totally turned off by the mob of women surrounding me as soon as I walked in the place. Since they would not let me alone--I was the only customer in the place--and since I do not like being pressured, I had but one drink and left. I will not be back there.

The next port of call was Martinis, which again was surprisingly sparsely populated though there were several tables of Khmers and Vietnamese women. I spoke with several but no light bulbs went off in my head. Chatted with one extremely attractive local lady, but all she really wanted to talk about was money, which was a total turn off for me, so that conversation did not last long. I did meet a very colorful Swiss - French guy who told me that he had run a string of women with his 18-year old Brazilian wife in Geneva. Even if the story was total crap, which it probably was, it was an interesting way to pass thirty minutes or so. I think half the fascination with this lifestyle is the colorful characters we meet along the way.

By the time I left Martinis I figured that maybe I should check out Sharkey's again to see if more people had come. They had, but most of them were men. I did see and chat briefly with a cute young thing whose picture had been posted on this board a couple of months ago by someone else. She however, told me she never does long time for less than $40 and since this was not going to happen with me, the conversation was relatively short-lived, though pleasant enough.

By this time I was pretty tired, but not willing to give up, so I went back to the Golden Vine on 108. Same mamasan, same line up of very attractive ladies and the same lack of any pressure to do anything. I met the same French guy there whom I had met the previous night and again, we wound up sharing the single outdoor table. He was still with the lady he had taken from the bar the night I met him and told me that if he did any more screwing he was going to start to have serious concerns about his heart. I wound up taking the same adorable lady that I had seen the night before and the four of us shared a tuk-tuk back to the hotel, as his hotel is right next door. My lady was so delighted that I had come back that she raised her performance several notches.

I like this city. I like it's colonial French atmosphere, the friendliness of the people, the easy availability of great food and decent wine. It does seem to me however, that the whole P4P industry is more avidly commercial here than it is in the Philippines. The whole "willing suspension of disbelief" that allows you to pretend, at least for 12 hours or so, that the girl is with you because she really likes you--which is so prevalent in the Philippines--is more difficult to find here. My conclusion, after three days is that while this place is more culturally engaging, and more gastronomically appealing, as a mongering destination, the Philippines wins hands down.

GE

PP certainly has excellent restauarants,if you want filipinos try chang in st 104.LCC is as a favourite of most people I know,less so now that it is indiscreet.

Most girls used to be sans panties but the other day they all had shorts,damn.
A mate of mine disliked it because he said that the girls were like cats,always liked cats.

The beauty of LCC is that the girls will always give you exactly what you want,no dillitentes like bar girls and freelancers.

I went with a newly-found French friend tonight to check out the bars on 136. He's a frequent visitor and he seemed to be well known at all of them, and, to my inexperienced eye, they're pretty much all the same. We tried Grand Palm, Bar 136, 69, Candy, Flora (at least I think that was the name) and two or three others on that strip. All seemed to have 20-25 girls who mobbed us on entry, but didn't pressure us at all to buy any drinks, except for ourselves. All had some good looking and some so-so ladies, and, with the notable exception that I'll describe below, all seemed willing to go out with us. In fact, in at least 3 or 4 of the places, the girls just asked me if I wanted to go with them. I declined in all cases cause I just didn't feel that magic spark, or maybe because I'm so sated from the last four nights (counting Manila) that I just didn't care. Whatever the case, no one appealed to me, but that's not to disparage the bars. They were good fun. Everyone was extremely friendly, and the street is an excellent place to kill an evening. However, these places reminded me of nothing so much as the Burgos St. bars in the Philippines, aside from the lack of dancers.

It had been three years or so since my friend had been to Sharkey's and we were feeling slightly hungry so we decided to go on a $1 tuk-tuk ride. The bar probably had more girls than last night, though it sure wasn't back at 10:30 o'clock. I saw a couple of ladies with whom I had chatted the night before, and they immediately homed in, but again, I wasn't in the mood and they blew out as fast as they had blown in. We also spoke for about 15 minutes to two adorable sisters, and they were certainly available, but seemed pretty indifferent to the whole thing, and I immediately figured that both would turn out to be starfish, so they walked away eventually as well.

Having decided that this would be a sleep alone evening, I was walking back toward the hotel when I saw the adorable waitress with whom I was supposed to have had lunch this afternoon. She told me her cell phone had been taken and she had no way of contacting me. Where have I heard that story before?

All in all, an enjoyable but ultimately profitless evening. Tomorrow I think it's time for Rose Bar and all the others on 104.

GE

[QUOTE=GoodEnough]I went with a newly-found French friend tonight to check out the bars on 136. He's a frequent visitor and he seemed to be well known at all of them, and, to my inexperienced eye, they're pretty much all the same. We tried Grand Palm, Bar 136, 69, Candy, Flora (at least I think that was the name) and two or three others on that strip. All seemed to have 20-25 girls who mobbed us on entry, but didn't pressure us at all to buy any drinks, except for ourselves. All had some good looking and some so-so ladies, and, with the notable exception that I'll describe below, all seemed willing to go out with us. In fact, in at least 3 or 4 of the places, the girls just asked me if I wanted to go with them. I declined in all cases cause I just didn't feel that magic spark, or maybe because I'm so sated from the last four nights (counting Manila) that I just didn't care. Whatever the case, no one appealed to me, but that's not to disparage the bars. They were good fun. Everyone was extremely friendly, and the street is an excellent place to kill an evening. However, these places reminded me of nothing so much as the Burgos St. bars in the Philippines, aside from the lack of dancers.

It had been three years or so since my friend had been to Sharkey's and we were feeling slightly hungry so we decided to go on a $1 tuk-tuk ride. The bar probably had more girls than last night, though it sure wasn't back at 10:30 o'clock. I saw a couple of ladies with whom I had chatted the night before, and they immediately homed in, but again, I wasn't in the mood and they blew out as fast as they had blown in. We also spoke for about 15 minutes to two adorable sisters, and they were certainly available, but seemed pretty indifferent to the whole thing, and I immediately figured that both would turn out to be starfish, so they walked away eventually as well.

Having decided that this would be a sleep alone evening, I was walking back toward the hotel when I saw the adorable waitress with whom I was supposed to have had lunch this afternoon. She told me her cell phone had been taken and she had no way of contacting me. Where have I heard that story before?

All in all, an enjoyable but ultimately profitless evening. Tomorrow I think it's time for Rose Bar and all the others on 104.

GE[/QUOTE]Very good reports, its like being there, Do you have the pix or name of the ladies you took from Golden Vine

The lady from the Golden Vine called herself Lisa. About 5' nothing and truly beautiful, but sorry, I do not do pictures. There are four or five stunners, at least from my point of view at that bar, and the lady who owns it is a real trip. Honest, funny, and tolerates no bullshit from the girls, haranguing them about service to the customers. The French guy to whom I referred in my earlier post kept his lady for 48 straight hours and told me he had never screwed so much in his life. He's my age and, even fueled by pharmacalogical assistance, was totally wiped out after two days. The morning after the first night I spent with Lisa I took her to breakfast and then to the Central Market, where she helped me pick out something. I bought her an inexpensive pendant as well. She was just a lot of fun to hang out with.

Over breakfast at the hotel this morning I got to talking with another French guy who has lived here for years and who obviously has money. He said that every afternoon, around 4 PM, loads of girls from the countryside stroll along near the river on the riverside. He also said it's very easy to get lucky if one happens to stroll at the same time. I think I'll give it a try, but I'm committed to seeing Rose Bar and the adjacent bars tonight. Getting there by tuk-tuk should take less than 10 minutes from my hotel.

GE

Yesterday was a Buddhist holiday here, and many of the girls returned to their provinces for the day, so the selection was probably more sparse than usual. Time is getting short however, and there's little of it to waste, so I decided to head out to the vaunted Rose Bar and all of the similar establishments along the length of Street 104. This was a bad decision, and all in all, I would have been better off staying in my hotel room and reading a book. However, hindsight is always 20/20.

I found the street with no problem. It's a very short street, only a couple of blocks long, and I'm pretty sure I at least stuck my head into every bar, all of which are pretty much the same and all of which are similar to those on 108.

Rose Bar had only about 10 girls, one of whom was really appealing to me, and we we chatted for quite a while over a drink that I had bought her. Like so many of the girls I seem to meet here (don't know if this is just me or if it's a common experience) she told me she liked being "yummed" very much but did not like giving "yumyum." Well, thanks for sharing, but the night was young, and I was determined to find someone who admitted to actually liking the act, so I headed out to the others.

It was the same story in most of the places I visited. The quality of the girls was mixed, but each place had one or two who appealed to me, all of whom responded to the "yumyum" question identically to the girl from Rose Bar. There must be a national blow job reluctance gene here, or perhaps it's a cultural thing. I almost took a girl from a new bar, I forget the name but it's next to Shang, owned by a British guy, but she was so coy about when she would come, how long she would stay, what she would do, etc. that I said the hell with it and left. She did insist on giving me her number for some reason, but I doubt if I'll use it.

All in all I guess I spent about 2 hours on the street doing the mini bar tour. Each bar had, on average, maybe 10 girls, all of whom screeched as soon as a foreigner entered, and all of whom--trained doubtlessly by the same coach--shouted "handsome man." Maybe they were all auditioning for the same show. I found the entire thing more or less comical and not at all appealing. Sort of like the bars on Burgos street without the bikinis.

I was somewhat excited to visit Shang because I knew from some of the other posters here that it had some Filipinas. Well, that's true, but these are ladies who must have come here because they couldn't qualify for the bars in Manila or elsewhere in the country. I couldn't believe it. Out of a country of 40 million women, this is the best that the bar owner could do? A total waste of time for me and for anyone who has ever traveled to the Philippines and seen what's on offer there. I stayed in the bar for all of about 30 seconds.

Since I had become disillusioned with the bars on the street, I decided to check out DV8 which is just around the corner from my hotel. It's an attractive place, with maybe 20 girls or at least that's the number who were there last night. I latched on immediately to Ana, who is 21 and extremely cute and friendly, and decide that I'll take her for the evening, so we have a drink, I pay the $5.50 bar fine and off we go.

I will not regale the readers with what a total waste of time this was, but it was sort of like being in a room with a beautiful girl who has finally decided she might want to have sex, but isn't sure either how to go about and not really sure she wants to do it. Probably the worst, most pathetic performance of my life, and I finally push her off of me and go to sleep without saying another word to her the entire time she was in my room. It was more or less like trying to make love to an unresponsive piece of dead meat. I would have been better off just taking some money and throwing it down the toilet, thus saving myself the hassle of having to go out. I don't think DV8 and I will be seeing each other any time soon again.

So far, the only decent sex this trip has been the girl from Golden Vine and I may go back there this evening just out of pure frustration. First though, I want to check out these girls from the country that I heard about yesterday.

Everyday reconfirms the impression I shared in a prior post. This is a great town in which to relax. The food is wonderful and the people friendly. It's laid back in a way that Manila could never be and Bangkok once was but no longer is. However, from the perspective of our mutual hobby, though opportunities abound, they are at best mediocre or that's true at least for those that I've found. I don't do girls off the street anywhere so I cannot say if this holds true for the taxi girls to whom others have referred. From our shared perspective, this is the lowest overall quality of service that I've seen in any SE Asian country that I've visited, and I've visited most of them, perhaps all. The approach is overtly commercial, the sex a best fairly mechanical and uninspired and all in all, just not exciting.

GE

[QUOTE=GoodEnough]First though, I want to check out these girls from the country that I heard about yesterday.
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The ones you said walk along the river?

Have you gone to Martini yet? That was always the most happening place I'd seen in PP. There are plenty so-so girls there, but with SO many there on any night, you're bound to spot one that's right for you. There are also the karaokes that offer takeout -- one is at the hotel that has Casa Disco, it's upstairs. There's others like this around town, have to dig a bit in the forum to get details. But that one had about 50 girls sitting waiting to be selected last time I stopped by, which is pretty standard for these kinds of places. They're Vietnamese. VN tend to be better at customer service than the Khmer girls. Not sure which ones you're getting. When in PP, I never bother with those 104 St bars, or others up there. For me it's always Martini plus exploring any new spots I've heard about. Small bars with just a few girls who may or may not be willing to go, for me, is a waste of precious time.