Tokyo

[QUOTE=TravelerX;2968569]4) There is no punishment for Johns in Japan. Excepting if she's a minor. No soapland or DH is going to send you a minor because they don't want to get fucked, so cool. Win win.
[/QUOTE]Below what age is "minor"?

Age of Consent vs Age of Majority

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Greetings Gentlemen,

The Age of Consent is the age in which girls can participate in consensual, non-commercial sex with their teen-age boyfriend without said teen-age boyfriend being charged with statutory rape.

However, the Age of Consent is irrelevant to the members of this forum.

What you need to focus on is the [u]Age of Majority[/u], which among other things is the age in which they can vote, get married, enlist in the military, and participate in commercial sex activities.

Please exercise caution and govern yourself accordingly.

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[QUOTE=BlackEngine44;2970502]
- Big factor is that you get to see the girl in Dubai as you will be picking them up in bars / clubs. In Japan, you will be scheduling your visits with DH / SL. Reserving a girl in advance.

- So in Japan, you will be ordering blind. There is no guarantee the girl will be what you imagine her to be, plus they use face censors and filters too. You risk throwing your money down the drain as you will be paying in advance before you even meet the girl.

- You can of course opt for premium SL's that have hot girls only, but those seem to be 2 x the DH price.

- Service wise no difference. Japan edges out because you shower with the girl (she washes you) while in Dubai the girl showers first and can easily eat up 15 minutes.

- Communication is also better in Dubai, girls can speak some English vs none at all in Japan.[/QUOTE]I understand DH is delivery health service. May I ask what does SL mean?

[QUOTE=Gordon987;2970608]Below what age is "minor"?[/QUOTE]Under 18 in Japan.

DH Delivery health.

SL SoapLand.

[QUOTE=Gordon987;2970608]Below what age is "minor"?[/QUOTE]It is 18 in Japan. There are multiple overlapping laws, including the The Child Prostitution and Pornography Act (1999) as well as the corruption of minors law. Another recent change has lowered the age of adulthood from 20 to 18, which doesn't affect the industry much except allow for 18 year old porn stars like the rest of the world. Previously, 18 and 19 year olds could not sign contracts or do work without parental permission. Likewise, shops now feature a few 18 and 19 year olds (it is just super rare for a 19 year old to get her parents' permission to work DH or star in porn). One of my ATFs started at 19. Same with maid cafes, girls bars, hostess clubs, oppai pubs. In any case no normal shop would send you an underage girl, since they would be in just as much trouble too.

This is where police focus their efforts, as well as streetwalkers that cause public embarrassment. When I say Japan is lax on prostitution, for example Japan arrested 270 prostitutes in 2023. In the US for the same period, it is closer to 70,000. The reason being Japan focuses on cleaning up streetwalkers who gather and embarrass the public. Even against streetwalkers they are quite lenient, attempting to offer counseling and assistance most of the time.

Excepting streetwalkers, prostitution between consenting adults in Japan works the same as pachinco. Effectively legal due to the legal system's lenient rules. Soapland and delivery health are "prostitution with an extra step", the same way pachinco is "gambling with an extra step". It is completely legal to pay for sex with someone you know or to pay for anal sex and then miss the hole, and it is completely legal to bet money on metal balls which are then laundered into actual money again. In Japan, that's all that's needed.

Note that the legal age of drinking alochol is 20. But an 18 year old can serve alcohol even if they can't drink it. That gap is actually not unusual, it's the same in the US where an 18 year old can sell or serve alcohol even though they can't drink. But in practice this is a limitation on hostess clubs and oppai pubs since guys expect the girl to drink alcohol with them. But some 19 year olds will apologize and if they're cute we all forgive them of course. It sucks to be an ugly girl in this world.

Speaking no Japanese put me a a huge disadvantage in Japan. So many touts that must be avoided at all costs. Massage parlours have a high chance of delivering HR but that wasn't what I was after. Figuring that the Kabukicho area would be the best area, I entered some of the brightly lit "entertainment" shops but got nowhere due to language barrier and a feeling that I might get ripped off.

So I started visiting massage shops, being very upfront about what I wanted. Obviously I avoided them if they looked legit. It didn't take me long to strike gold in a wide short alley off Hanamichi-dori street. Sorry I can't remember the name. 2 flights up some outside steps. Open 24 hours.

The madam spoke very little English but was very friendly and clearly wanted my business. There was an English menu with varying levels of massage starting at 50,000 Yen (£25) which was likely a basic massage. The top level was 150,000 Yen which was sex. Not on the menu (but available) was BBFS with CIP for 200,000 Yen. I've been a few times and always had a great service from either Chinese or Thai girls, always pretty and thin in their 20's. The "rooms" are separated by thin wood and the doors are a curtain, with a mattress on the floor.

It starts with being showered by the girl and then mind-blowing sex with DFK, BBBJ, BBFS and CIP over the next hour. Then a final shower with the girl.

The place isn't busy with customers at all and I suspect that the girls are genuinely happy to earning some cash. More than they would get back home. They come to Japan for a few weeks at time.

Not cheap but knowing that I'm going to get great service means a lot to me.

[QUOTE=StevieJ1;2971234]The madam spoke very little English but was very friendly and clearly wanted my business. There was an English menu with varying levels of massage starting at 50,000 Yen (25) which was likely a basic massage. The top level was 150,000 Yen which was sex. Not on the menu (but available) was BBFS with CIP for 200,000 Yen. I've been a few times and always had a great service from either Chinese or Thai girls, always pretty and thin in their 20's. The "rooms" are separated by thin wood and the doors are a curtain, with a mattress on the floor.

It starts with being showered by the girl and then mind-blowing sex with DFK, BBBJ, BBFS and CIP over the next hour. Then a final shower with the girl.

The place isn't busy with customers at all and I suspect that the girls are genuinely happy to earning some cash. More than they would get back home. They come to Japan for a few weeks at time.

Not cheap but knowing that I'm going to get great service means a lot to me.[/QUOTE]Wonderful, we don't have enough reports on massage shops. Just want to point out there is an extra 0 in the prices. So you listed 50,000 yen for 25 pounds but of course it was 5,000 yen for 25 pounds. Lucky you, years ago it would have been 40 pounds. No doubt compared to back home, the girls are much better with better service on average. As you say, always avoid all those touts in Kabukicho. I would say that even with zero Japanese, you can still try the Manzoku shop there's no harm in asking. They will 100% know which shops you can get into. I've used them 20 years to refer me to shops, although at first I could only get into oppai pubs. They will call each shop and confirm if they will let you in. That call is the green light, it even helps when a shop is totally full and won't let me in (or any Japanese customer), as well as in the off chance things are so slow they'll take me even if they normally wouldn't.

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?977-Tokyo&p=2963461#post2963461[/URL] How to get into Manzoku.

This is a very common thing with Japan, Korea, and China which count by 10,000 instead of 1,000. Locals get confused when you say "ten thousand" since they've never heard of the number. They always say man (Japanese, Korean), or wan (Chinese). They always count money in units of 10,000 (man en) when it goes above that number:

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?977-Tokyo&p=2969659&viewfull=1#post2969659[/URL] The price of things in Japan.

For anything Japanese (sushi, trains, Japanese women), it's cheap in Japan. Different cities and places have their specialty too. No surprise that many massage shops offer Chinese and Thai girls. I don't know much about massage but every massage place was staffed by them. I mainly did this in Nagoya where you could get massage with light touching or a hj. There is a very tricky paradox - hj and bj are 100% legal so in Nagoya I could straight up ask the girl for them. But if a girl or shop also offers fs, then suddenly nobody wants to talk about "what happens". And the girls who were offering hj or bj in Nagoya were doing them out of an apartment (not paying taxes or licensed to run a shop), so it wasn't the sex that was the problem but their shop was "underground" off the radar. These days I completely avoid non-Japanese shops, I just don't want to take my chances. But sharing intel is always good.

[QUOTE=StevieJ1;2971234]It starts with being showered by the girl and then mind-blowing sex with DFK, BBBJ, BBFS and CIP over the next hour. Then a final shower with the girl.[/QUOTE]

For those new, any shop that offers shower is a big plus. Whether soapland, delivery health to a love hotel (where you shower there), or a better massage place like the one you found. Two showers is the gold standard. It is the defining characteristic of korgs in the USA.

[I]It didn't take me long to strike gold in a wide short alley off Hanamichi-dori street.[/I]

Unfortunately, no name from the shop. I had the same problem when I started, no way to remember a shop name in a language I couldn't speak. So one tip is if you just ask them for a business card or anything, they will probably have it. Listing phone number, address, even a mini map. Japan is old school like this, very paper driven still with business cards and printed ads and pamphlets. Good luck!

Hey I'm going to be in town. I'm visiting for a week for the first time solo. Any recs or people that want to hang out?

[QUOTE=StevieJ1;2971234]Speaking no Japanese put me a a huge disadvantage in Japan. So many touts that must be avoided at all costs. Massage parlours have a high chance of delivering HR but that wasn't what I was after. Figuring that the Kabukicho area would be the best area, I entered some of the brightly lit "entertainment" shops but got nowhere due to language barrier and a feeling that I might get ripped off.

So I started visiting massage shops, being very upfront about what I wanted. Obviously I avoided them if they looked legit. It didn't take me long to strike gold in a wide short alley off Hanamichi-dori street. Sorry I can't remember the name. 2 flights up some outside steps. Open 24 hours.

The madam spoke very little English but was very friendly and clearly wanted my business. There was an English menu with varying levels of massage starting at 50,000 Yen (25) which was likely a basic massage. The top level was 150,000 Yen which was sex. Not on the menu (but available) was BBFS with CIP for 200,000 Yen. I've been a few times and always had a great service from either Chinese or Thai girls, always pretty and thin in their 20's. The "rooms" are separated by thin wood and the doors are a curtain, with a mattress on the floor.

It starts with being showered by the girl and then mind-blowing sex with DFK, BBBJ, BBFS and CIP over the next hour. Then a final shower with the girl.

The place isn't busy with customers at all and I suspect that the girls are genuinely happy to earning some cash. More than they would get back home. They come to Japan for a few weeks at time.

Not cheap but knowing that I'm going to get great service means a lot to me.[/QUOTE]May I ask. Was those shop a Japanese girl or Asian girl?

Yeah. Not cheap but you had a great time which much more important.

[QUOTE=TravelerX]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/...61#post2963461 How to get into Manzoku.[/QUOTE]Will absolutely go to Manzoku shop and ask them for recommend (osusume).

Also, how much for Manzoku services? I guess it should not more than a 10,000 (man) yen. 5,000 (go sen) yen?

[QUOTE=Kirschta;2971337]May I ask. Was those shop a Japanese girl or Asian girl?

Yeah. Not cheap but you had a great time which much more important.

Will absolutely go to Manzoku shop and ask them for recommend (osusume).

Also, how much for Manzoku services? I guess it should not more than a 10,000 (man) yen. 5,000 (go sen) yen?[/QUOTE]

Manzoku is 100% free. If anything, you will get a discount going through Manzoku normally. It is really different from how things are done in other countries, due to intense competition.

See the Manzoku link for an explanation, you are basically paying LESS if you use Manzoku since you are getting a "first timer" promo". In the case of oppai pubs, Luxe, Hosekibako, and Leicester price match EACH OTHER if you go through Manzoku. They want to get you in their door that bad, so you can fall in love with one girl and keep coming back. So it is 6000 yen or 8000 yen (depending on day / hour) for all 3, even though they normally each have a different price. That is what competition does. Copied from Manzoku post:

[I]Also, Manzoku will get you the best rate by far because it is so competitive. Luxe for example is officially 13k cover charge, don't ever pay it. If I go to Manzoku then it is 6k or 8k "newbie special promo rate", $52. Try kissing three US strippers for $52 total. Note that every oppai pub offers the exact same promo rate because of competition. Imagine if McDonald's, Burger King, and Carl's Junior all offered you their most popular burger for the exact same price of $2.50 as a first time customer. All you do is show up to a 'burger consultant' who walks you to the nearest shop, then the shop gives them back $.50 for the referral. But the burger is really $5 normally. That's how weird it is.[/I]

Obviously Luxe will give promo rates far lower than 13k if you just walk up and ask "Is there a promo rate" or point to an online coupon from their website. They want you in the door. But if you fall in love with a girl you meet and want to extend, then it might become 13k. You see how their business model works.

Manzoku will make sure staff will escort you straight to the shop. If it's close like Luxe, the Manzoku staff walks me there (1 minute, you can literally see it). If it's far like Hosekinobako, their staff will come over and pick you up but it's like 6 minutes and the guy is out of breath because it's far. It turns out the better clubs are further out because a:) The rent is cheaper b) They rely on repeat customers who know better c) They are not tourist traps.

Excerpted from:
[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?977-Tokyo&p=2963461#post2963461[/URL]

But you see, all that long explanation I just gave you could be skipped if you either: a) just go to Manzoku in the first place b) Go to an oppai pub's website and snapshot or print out their coupon. Manzoku is often actually cheaper than the shops own promo! I'm no expert on pricing because I literally still use Manzoku despite speaking fluent Japanese now, so I don't know pay attention to the shop's official pricing. But whenever there's a line at the shop, I see their price list and I'm a bit surprised. Then I look up their ad on yoasobi and see that there's a coupon but it's not even as good as Manzoku. But keep in mind the price goes UP as the night gets late. Never go 10pm or later because there's a chance the club is full, not to mention you pay more. And I feel like the chance that a better girl is stuck on some guy's lap is higher

If you show up "too early" like 6pm or 8pm, you have the reverse problem. The shop is empty and might not be open. The girls still haven't shown up (if they do, they need 20-40 minutes to get ready). So they will apologize that you need to wait 10-40 minutes. You will get free beer, maybe snacks. I've had this happen occasionally, I'd rather be "too early" than "too late". Note that in this case, it does NOT count towards your 40 minutes of fun. They will remind you of this, but in case you don't understand don't worry. Relax and don't worry, lots of girls show up later. I can only speak for myself, but I wear a watch and they have always given me 40 minutes. I'm sure mistakes can happen, but it isn't common in Japan. I will say you are supposed to get 3 girls however "3 girls" is not actually guaranteed, others have said they might get 2 girls. I've never had that happen, but I'm sure it can happen.

[QUOTE=Jizzme;2971294]Hey I'm going to be in town. I'm visiting for a week for the first time solo. Any recs or people that want to hang out?[/QUOTE]
If you just want an introductory summary to Japan:
[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?977-Tokyo&p=2946666#post2946666[/URL] [B]Introduction to Japan[/B]

The next guide is more detailed and you have to research and decide for yourself. This is what I would have recommended to myself even with zero Japanese - and in this order:
[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4403-Japan-guides-focusing-on-Oppai-Pubs-Soapland-Delivery-Health&p=2966012&viewfull=1#post2966012 [/URL] [B]Oppai pubs, soapland, Delivery Health[/B]

I think most people are good people but it's my personal policy that I help people here in public on the forums. I prefer to do everything solo myself. If you go to Roppongi on Friday or Saturday night, you can meet a lot of people. Maybe I was lucky but even at the club scene it is safer than pretty much any other country in the world, relatively speaking. The ONLY rule I implore people to follow is to never talk to any black/nigerian tout in Kabukicho, or any other tout in Kabukicho for that matter whether Chinese, Korean, or White. In every other Japanese city the touts are mostly Japanese because there are so few tourists in the RLD. But in Kabukicho there are many tourist traps targeting foreigners and even Japanese who are just new to Tokyo. Either research your shop before you reach Shinjuku, or use Manzoku.

I went to Japan this year and did ZERO research on Shinjuku, I just popped into Manzoku and asked what oppai pubs were open. Because I already know I'm going to go to ALL of them, one after the other. Both Luxe and Leicester are new and I never heard of them. If you see my old post showing dozens of girls' cards every single one of those shops closed by the time of COVID. So I can only speak from my own experience, I don't look for fs in Shinjuku. Each district has its own specialty, and oppai pubs and hostess clubs are Shinjuku's domain.

Japan is extremely safe excepting Kabukicho and a similar area in Osaka. And if you ignore every tout offering to take you to their tourist trap shop, you're safe even in Kabukicho. Best to be done with your business by 1am though, things start closing fast after that. If your hotel is not in Shinjuku beware many train lines start closing at 12pm. It's almost luck if your train still operates or not, when my hotel was 40 minutes away the very last train was 11:30pm since I needed to connect to a 12:05am train.

Speaking of Manzoku, I assume we can stop by any Manzoku, right?

[QUOTE=StevieJ1;2971234]Figuring that the Kabukicho area would be the best area[/QUOTE]It's actually the worst area.

Considering trying out this for an upcoming trip. Used successfully in Thailand previously.

I see a lot of girls' rates around 28000 Y for an hour with unlimited shots. Has anyone here experience with the unlimited shots in such listings? Are BJ covered? Imagine FS is.

[QUOTE=Gordon987;2971380]Speaking of Manzoku, I assume we can stop by any Manzoku, right?[/QUOTE]

Yes. The one I put on google maps happens to be central and large (more staff, lots of posters to look at). But I did drop by the 2nd Manzoku next to Super Angel a different day. They can take you to any shop they know about, even if they don't have a poster up for them.

This is the google maps link to the central Manzoku. Notice there is a Don Quijote and Family Mart. So what I do is walk past DQ, turn left, walk past Family Mart. You can even ask anyone 'where is family mart (there are two), but never talk to the black/nigerian touts or other non-Japanese touts they will immediately sell you on their scam shop or tourist trap where it's a waste of money. You are perfectly good if you refuse to engage with them, they don't cause trouble in public.
[URL]https://maps.app.goo.gl/4vEKi3hVGiZRUZv3A[/URL] Manzoku Shinjuku
[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?977-Tokyo&p=2971377&viewfull=1#post2971377[/URL] Manzoku
[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?977-Tokyo&p=2967038&highlight=manzoku#post2967038[/URL] Manzoku

[QUOTE=Miss MaryHinge;2971921]Considering trying out this for an upcoming trip. Used successfully in Thailand previously.

I see a lot of girls' rates around 28000 Y for an hour with unlimited shots. Has anyone here experience with the unlimited shots in such listings? Are BJ covered? Imagine FS is.[/QUOTE]

For FS (full sex) in Japan, there is a big difference betweeen soapland and delivery health. At soapland FS is always included without tip, just ask. At DH you can expect it but you need to negotiate with the girl, offer her 10k or 20k no guarantees but you will usually get it. At FS, I have always gotten two-shot when I ask but I usually just go for one. If you see my first visit to Kira Kira, I got 4 bjs and 2 fs with nuru and bathtub play, plus a pleasant chat. But with my 2nd girl I wasn't feeling it and did less. You are paying for time and with a good soapland shop the girl is going to take care of you. It's why I recommend Kira Kira for beginners because their focus is on service and their girls are consistent on that. They are competing with other girls at the shop and a girl they won't keep a girl unless she does.
[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?978-Yokohama&p=2963631&viewfull=1#post2963631[/URL] Kira Kira 1st visit

I think Thailand is a great value if you're there, but soapland offers something very different that still might be worth trying out. People generally expect a high level of service from a proper soapland.

[QUOTE=StevieJ1;2971234]So I started visiting massage shops, being very upfront about what I wanted. Obviously I avoided them if they looked legit. It didn't take me long to strike gold in a wide short alley off Hanamichi-dori street. Sorry I can't remember the name. 2 flights up some outside steps. Open 24 hours.
[/QUOTE]Thanks for sharing your report. I'd like to try to find this spot if you can remember a little more about its location. Hanamichi-dori runs east / west. Do you remember if this alley was more to the west (towards the train station) or to the east? And do you remember if the shop was north or south of Hanamichi-dori? Or if you remember any other recognizable shops or landmarks that were nearby, that would be helpful too.