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[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1539016]There is no reason for me to shower a hillbilly hooker with beaucoup money and gifts when all I am about is fucking her. For that temporary fuck I am going to try to come off of the least amount of money that I can.[/QUOTE]I do agree you Mr. E to a point, IMHO a lot of guys go to AC and get they get emotionally involved or take pity on the girls. They seem to forget that it's nothing more than a business transaction and some of us, like you, are simply better negotiators then others. There's nothing wrong with being frugal as long as you treat the girls well and be respectful; regardless of her background. I sincerely doubt there's any one girl in AC who dreamed of growing up to be a bar girl and the majority of them are there to help their families the only way they know how; and most hope to garner a husband or at least a full time bf who'll support them so they can get away from there. What irks me are the guys who think they can get something for nothing, and then want to brag about it; they do nothing but belittle themselves in my eyes and I'm sure in the eyes of many others. Is banging a bar girl for free, and I mean not even giving her trike fare or something to eat, really something to boast about?

[QUOTE=Pip Jaeger;1539146]What irks me are the guys who think they can get something for nothing, and then want to brag about it; they do nothing but belittle themselves in my eyes and I'm sure in the eyes of many others. Is banging a bar girl for free, and I mean not even giving her trike fare or something to eat, really something to boast about?[/QUOTE]Prostitution is illegal and sex is free between 2 consenting adults. The Monger way of thinking is not the norm. I think if I give a girl one good orgasm and she gives me one, we are even. Now, I am a gentleman and a Gentleman always pays for dinner and sends a girl home, and I used my scooter to send most of my girls home unless they were going back to fields a 30 second walk. The girl who bought me dinner was my 4 day honey I took to Subic. She paid once because I needed to find a money changer and didn't have pesos, she got about 5k out of me without ever asking for 1 peso over the course of 4 days so technically I still paid.

You logic is also flawed because you also have male prostitutes. I said earlier that the ultimate goal is free sex, that's not right, the ultimate goal is that we get paid for sex, that is the Ultimate Monger. There are many in AC, there called Ladyboys.

There is always a credit, break even, and debit point in any negotiation.

Deep down in my heart I think when I make a girl squirt a 100ml orgasm ("rarely happens" and no, it is not [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url]) that she probably owes me more, but I also did have most of the best sex I have ever had in Angeles so I am happy to return the favor.

Anyway, if you can get it for free and the girl is ok with it, go for it. Nobody should be mad about it.

Hey Pip, since it irks you, why don't you go to the police and report the guys who are not paying for sex. LOL.

Hey DG8787, I don't over negotiate, (Whatever that is?) I tell the girls "I usually pay 500 for ST or 1000 LT" Do you agree? Yes or no". They usually say ok without a heartbeat. Sometimes they ask why, I say "that is what I pay." One girl out of 36, not including barfine girl, was smart enough to say "So, you said usually, so if I make you happy you might pay me more." And she did and I paid her 1750p for one pop in her puss, and one shot in her amazing mouth! Best blowjob I have ever had. It took me 30 minutes of cunnilingus but I also made her squirt. Too bad she went back to Davao, might go there to see her next time. Her name on Viber is Ruby. Pic Attached.

You guys on here are funny, you have a very unique way of thinking. Just make the girls happy and all will be good in the world.

Good Luck, Happy mongering, and think before you speak or post.

GMM

Briefly UM in 2007-2008

[QUOTE=Pip Jaeger;1539146]I do agree you Mr. E to a point, IMHO a lot of guys go to AC and get they get emotionally involved or take pity on the girls. They seem to forget that it's nothing more than a business transaction and some of us, like you, are simply better negotiators then others. There's nothing wrong with being frugal as long as you treat the girls well and be respectful; regardless of her background. I sincerely doubt there's any one girl in AC who dreamed of growing up to be a bar girl and the majority of them are there to help their families the only way they know how; and most hope to garner a husband or at least a full time bf who'll support them so they can get away from there. What irks me are the guys who think they can get something for nothing, and then want to brag about it; they do nothing but belittle themselves in my eyes and I'm sure in the eyes of many others. Is banging a bar girl for free, and I mean not even giving her trike fare or something to eat, really something to boast about?[/QUOTE]The important thing about the concept of negotiating is the starting point of negotiations. If you're any good at negotiating then you know the cost of goods or services where you are negotiating.

An on duty bargirl (Perimeter Road) is 1, 500, an off duty bargirl is 1000/1500p approx. I think that is the average rate of a Perimeter BG working or not.

If you negotiate from those numbers fair enough but if the little lady offers herself to you for 500p and you know she lowballed herself. This is where the misers show themselves.

They will negotiate every number no matter how high or low and for me this is underhanded. If the lady offers you a very low price (for her affections) and you know it's a very low price but you want to see if you can get it for even less. Then YOU ARE A LOW LIFE. (mo)

There is no grey area here. Is it a crime? No. Is it a greedy, selfish and unnecessary act? YES!

That's the truth. Some guys need to negotiate no matter what. No matter what the consequences are, no matter that it could hurt the service provider. The only thing that matters is that have negotiated in their interest only. They want everything for as little as humanly possible.

These guys obviously don't believe in,"do unto others as you would have them do unto you. There motto is, Take, Take, Take.

I can pick apart their rational and they come back weakly, I know it and they know it. Spinning facts is their specialty, it's futile to reason w/ them.

Another classic Mr E spin.....

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1539016] There is no reason for me to shower a hillbilly hooker with beaucoup money and gifts when all I am about is fucking her. For that temporary fuck I am going to try to come off of the least amount of money that I can.[/QUOTE]

Did anyone on the planet, let alone here on ISG say to, "shower hookers w/ beaucoup money and gifts". Did anyone say that?? I'm w/ Mr. E if someone sugested this. The truth is no one said this. Mr E w/ his negotiating skills is trying to levarge opinions here w/ spin. This is his rational for leveraging a bargirl from 500p to 200p and no trike money. This is his argument and it's a sick one. He spins the facts very cleverly and probably believes them himself. Jaja

It is very shocking when you break things down. Lol!!! That's why we humans have religion, because the truth is a *****!!!!


What trumps all of our opinions though is that we all belong and will ebb and flow w / each other. My personal opinion is to help the scene be positive.

If you just stare at the beautiful flower and never water it, it will die. Some guys here never water the flowers.

It is what it is.

[QUOTE=Socker; 1539219]The important thing about the concept of negotiating is the starting point of negotiations. If you're any good at negotiating then you know the cost of goods or services where you are negotiating.

An on duty bargirl (Perimeter Road) is 1, 500, an off duty bargirl is 1000/1500p approx. I think that is the average rate of a Perimeter BG working or not.

If you negotiate from those numbers fair enough but if the little lady offers herself to you for 500p and you know she lowballed herself. This is where the misers show themselves.

They will negotiate every number no matter how high or low and for me this is underhanded. If the lady offers you a very low price (for her affections) and you know it's a very low price but you want to see if you can get it for even less. Then YOU ARE A LOW LIFE. (mo)...[/QUOTE]Socker,

I totally agree with you. I think the ugly word missing here is "exploitation". We all know the girls seriously lack negotiating skills or experience. If they did have negotiating skills we would then call them "pros" and the field of play would be somewhat level. But most of us go to AC looking for and finding non-pros. 90% of non-pros are negotiating under the duress of survival. All thou not illegal, but when someone under such duress is taken advantage of. I call that exploitation*

*IMO. You can call it different if you like.

Had a girl once that I bar fined for a few days before show up uninvited unannounced to my hotel room. We spent 2 days locked up in the Clarkton doing nothing but watching movies on the TV and shagging with a few calls to room service never left the room really. She said she had something she needed to ask me and If I give her 20 minutes to explain her offer. OK I was actually going down to the pool to have some food before going out and hitting fields to Party and find another GFE so I asked her if she wanted to join me for dinner its about 6 o clock. OK this is the story she told me During our time together she told me that she was going to get funded for her school by a guy that told her that she had to live with him and be his girl exclusively. She did not like this cause he was a MAJOR butterfly according to her and she still wanted to work in the bar to be with her friends. Well anyways this guy and her supposedly got into a fight about it and she needed a place to hide out for a few days so he would not be able to find her and asked me if she could stay in my room for 3 days and I could shag her and watch movies again all day like we did before. I took her up on the deal and I got free sex for the next 3 days. Hell she even bought me a few meals at the Clarkton restaurant which is not cheap by Philippines standards.

[QUOTE=Socker;1539219]Did anyone on the planet, let alone here on ISG say to, "shower hookers w/ beaucoup money and gifts". Did anyone say that??[/QUOTE]Actually they did and they do. [QUOTE=Pip Jaeger;1538974]CS and others, MM did say that he takes them shopping, gives gifts, etc so he is paying; albeit not with cash, but rather taking it out in trade. Taking a girl shopping, even in a grocery store, can add up to more than a bar fine.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Streetlooker;1539294]During our time together she told me that she was going to get funded for her school by a guy that told her that she had to live with him and be his girl exclusively. She did not like this cause he was a MAJOR butterfly according to her and she still wanted to work in the bar to be with her friends.[/QUOTE]You have guys buying and bringing hookers clothes, perfume, smart phones, paying for a hooker's education, and sending money Western Union. I'm not only talking about AC; I'm talking about any given place on the planet. I don't know if anyone here has ever seen the movie Brooklyn's Finest, but one of the main characters there had to get his heart broken to learn that a hooker is not your girlfriend. Pay as you go and don't get your feelings involved. Get a real girlfriend if you want need to feel warm and fuzzy inside. Some guys can't separate real life from hookerdom.

[QUOTE=Streetlooker;1539294]I took her up on the deal and I got free sex for the next 3 days. Hell she even bought me a few meals at the Clarkton restaurant which is not cheap by Philippines standards.[/QUOTE]Prepare to get ragged on dude. According to Socker this known hooker lowballed herself and actually spent money on you. So that makes you a miser and a low life.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1539297]Prepare to get ragged on dude. According to Socker this known hooker lowballed herself and actually spent money on you. So that makes you a miser and a low life.[/QUOTE]This is not the same for comparison. The girl is a pro on even ground and turned down boy friend proposal. She made her own offer.

[QUOTE=Master Monger; 1538866]I added some nice pictures so this isn't another wasteful post, and the last 2 are the view from the roof of the Penthouse Hotel where the pool area is.

Good luck and Happy Mongering.

GMM[/QUOTE]Great pics, good info and that heart shape azz pic is sexy! Thanks

Hey all. Its my first time to AC and I have done my research on fields ave and the bars there. I have heard some not so cool stories about possible scams from free lancers. Is there a problem with that in the bar scene as well. I would hate to get caught up in some drama. How can one be completly safe from these scams?

[QUOTE=HimKoi;1539362]Hey all. Its my first time to AC and I have done my research on fields ave and the bars there. I have heard some not so cool stories about possible scams from free lancers. Is there a problem with that in the bar scene as well. I would hate to get caught up in some drama. How can one be completly safe from these scams?[/QUOTE]I'm nowhere near a regular but from what I've been told the bar scene is your safest bet. Or at least for a first outing. I met a girl on DIA before I went and actually met her in AC. She looked way young. I asked for I'd, she said she didn't have any. I told her to text me when she found it. In my week there I had quite a few girls, a few doubles. Great fun. But at the end of the day as in anything in life, you need to pay attention. Getting into a shit show is easy. Getting out not so.

I am just a little confused because I am reading conflicting stories. I am a regular to Thailand and have had no problem. Have you been to manila is that better or would you recommend AC. Yeah I plan on sticking to the bars but if its just full of drama then I may just skip the whole thing. I have mongered all across the globe and germany is my favorite one because its legal and Thailand come very close because its drama free. How was your experience in AC as compared to other places around the world.

[QUOTE=FruitNinja;1539373]I'm nowhere near a regular but from what I've been told the bar scene is your safest bet. Or at least for a first outing. I met a girl on DIA before I went and actually met her in AC. She looked way young. I asked for I'd, she said she didn't have any. I told her to text me when she found it. In my week there I had quite a few girls, a few doubles. Great fun. But at the end of the day as in anything in life, you need to pay attention. Getting into a shit show is easy. Getting out not so.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=HimKoi;1539421]I am just a little confused because I am reading conflicting stories. I am a regular to Thailand and have had no problem. Have you been to manila is that better or would you recommend AC. Yeah I plan on sticking to the bars[/QUOTE]Don't worry dude. You will not have a problem in AC. Traditionally I have only done FL in AC, but a couple of weeks ago I did take a girl from a bar for the first time. Just remember that AC bars are not like those in Manila or Thailand. In AC everything is included in the barfine, so you don't have to give the girl anything outside of that. Neither me, nor any of my friends have ever had a problem with anyone trying to scam us. I would recommend AC over Manila because the P4P is much cheaper and all the venues are in the same neighborhood.

[QUOTE=HimKoi;1539362]Hey all. Its my first time to AC and I have done my research on fields ave and the bars there. I have heard some not so cool stories about possible scams from free lancers. Is there a problem with that in the bar scene as well. I would hate to get caught up in some drama. How can one be completly safe from these scams?[/QUOTE]It has been said many times that there are no scams from the bar girls. The scams are usually done by the free lancers but not all FL are scams according to some reports here. The BG might not deliver the promised long time action and go home early is the usual complaints. If you don't want to get caught up in some wallet wrenching scam then play it safe and hit the bars.

I have been tempted by some beautiful FL but do not want to chance it. Not worth the money to me.

Very well said.

I don't like the idea of squeezing people for everything they have. There should be fairness in every deal or there will be bad blood everywhere every time.

The fair thing to do is to know on-going market prices for goods and services, then negotiate for those prices, adding a few extra services or promising tips at the end for good services would sweeten the deals. That is the win-win negotiation that makes everyone happy that they gain something and not lose anything.

Anything in excess would upset the people and the market equilibrium.

[QUOTE=Dg8787; 1539275]Socker,

I totally agree with you. I think the ugly word missing here is "exploitation". We all know the girls seriously lack negotiating skills or experience. If they did have negotiating skills we would then call them "pros" and the field of play would be somewhat level. But most of us go to AC looking for and finding non-pros. 90% of non-pros are negotiating under the duress of survival. All thou not illegal, but when someone under such duress is taken advantage of. I call that exploitation*

*IMO. You can call it different if you like.[/QUOTE]