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[QUOTE=Robbaf; 1540001]If you really believe that you are finding non-pros in AC, I have a bridge for sale, 'Cheap!". If she was with you, you can bet she was with others.

My issue with guys posting about "Free" sex, is 90% are telling the girls lies to get them.[/QUOTE]Where is the bridge located? Saying a girl is not a hooker is not saying that she has not been with other men. I have not pledged exclusivity to anyone and have not asked anyone to be exclusive to me. I have been seeing two non-pros in AC for three years and have never given them a thing. Just because Fields is in AC does not mean that 100% of women that live in AC are hookers. And remember that most of the hookers come from other places and are not even from AC.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;1539662]Most mongers like AC for the non-pro GFE girls. Yes you do pay but the girls are not jaded experienced professionals, therefore non-professionals. Most bar girls are from the province. Semantically you might say they are pros because they are paid. On the other hand, according to some of the pay scales posted here, they would not qualify as professionals.[/QUOTE]Sir, this is not merely semantics, you are using a non-standard definition of non-pro that serves only to muddle the picture. Pro is not defined by "jaded". Nor is it defined by the hometown origins of the service provider. The amount of money she receives is irrelevant; that she asks for and receives an amount is - look up Winston Churchill's legendary quote. The Philippines distinguishes itself from most other places because a punter can find affordable pros who provide a GFE.

Pro: a person who earns her livelihood through the exchange of sexual services for money.

Non-pro: the opposite of pro, i.e. one who does not exchange sexual services for money.

Semi-pro: from time to time on this forum this word appears. A person who does not earn her livelihood primarily through the exchange of sexual services but on occasion supplements her income by doing so, i.e. a part-time pro.

Are non-pros found in AC? Of course. Are most punters going to AC to meet them? Of course not. They are going to bars at which the vast majority of women employed are pros; I don't deny the possibility, though remote, that some women earn their keep solely through the sale of drinks.

Bro when was your last time to AC?

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1539431]Don't worry dude. You will not have a problem in AC. Traditionally I have only done FL in AC, but a couple of weeks ago I did take a girl from a bar for the first time. Just remember that AC bars are not like those in Manila or Thailand. In AC everything is included in the barfine, so you don't have to give the girl anything outside of that. Neither me, nor any of my friends have ever had a problem with anyone trying to scam us. I would recommend AC over Manila because the P4P is much cheaper and all the venues are in the same neighborhood.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=HimKoi;1540118]Bro when was your last time to AC?[/QUOTE]The 15th to the 18th last month. I go twice a year. February and August.

I understand DG87 completely, and also enjoyed Huts eloquent reply. I don't think anyone wants to hear the old cliche: you pay for it one way or another

Although some members would advise NOT to do this, I often exchange contact information with the wonderful ladies.whether p4p or whatever. This pays off especially if you are a regular visitor. You can play the BFE game. I had a nice tryst with a former dancer in AC = fb pictures show a middle class family. She likes to fk and we all like money. Win-win!

Another gal in Cebu, was semi-retired. Did her once. It was fun. A few days later it was 2am and things hadn't worked out like I expected. One hour later she was in my room. Lovely. Her fb indicates another child has been delivered. And I'll give her a pass this time. (not my kid BTW)

[QUOTE=Hutsori; 1540077]Sir, this is not merely semantics, you are using a non-standard definition of non-pro that serves only to muddle the picture. Pro is not defined by "jaded". Nor is it defined by the hometown origins of the service provider. The amount of money she receives is irrelevant; that she asks for and receives an amount is. Look up Winston Churchill's legendary quote. The Philippines distinguishes itself from most other places because a punter can find affordable pros who provide a GFE.

Pro: a person who earns her livelihood through the exchange of sexual services for money.

Non-pro: the opposite of pro, I. E. One who does not exchange sexual services for money.

Semi-pro: from time to time on this forum this word appears. A person who does not earn her livelihood primarily through the exchange of sexual services but on occasion supplements her income by doing so, I. E. A part-time pro.

SNIP.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1540036]Where is the bridge located? Saying a girl is not a hooker is not saying that she has not been with other men. I have not pledged exclusivity to anyone and have not asked anyone to be exclusive to me. I have been seeing two non-pros in AC for three years and have never given them a thing. Just because Fields is in AC does not mean that 100% of women that live in AC are hookers. And remember that most of the hookers come from other places and are not even from AC.[/QUOTE]Iran.

Having steady girls is not the same as going to AC and bragging you are getting free sex.

I agree not all women who live in AC are hookers and most non-hookers will not hook up with mongers unless they are looking for long term relationship. I could post story after story of guys thinking they are different, they have game and do not need to pay for sex. Ask the guy who took out a front desk clerk for free. She found his passport and found his wife. Another guy had a girl leave the bar and stay with him for two weeks, left her his email address and he left his computer open and his wife found her emails. His only intention was to get free sex, but the divorce cost him a hell of allot.

Just a no-particular-reason update. I visited AC in mid-February and went to my regular A Santos blow-row bar. The bar next door was one of the ones raided, so they've closed their upstairs rooms. Not a huge problem: They just walk you down to the short-time hotel a couple blocks south. 200 pesos for the room, which adds about 30% to the cost, but the room, while still dingy, is light years better than the old upstairs closet.

I'm not sure how much being a somewhat long-term regular affected the transaction, that is, whether they would have been more circumspect in dealing with me if they did not know me. By the same token, the walk to the short-time would have been a lot scarier for me had I been a first-timer: It is dark and not the best part of town. Not that the young lady on my arm would have thrown herself onto a knife to protect me, but at least I was fairly confident I wasn't being led into a set-up of some sort.

Just wanted to ask you if you could recommend a good hotel in the middle of the action. I was told abc and penthouse have you tried these. I don't mind paying a bit more for better accommodations. It's just that I like a comfortable place to sleep and a clean bathroom. Not that I give a damn after 4 beers but still rooms do matter.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1540185]The 15th to the 18th last month. I go twice a year. February and August.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=HimKoi;1540648]Just wanted to ask you if you could recommend a good hotel in the middle of the action. I was told abc and penthouse have you tried these. I don't mind paying a bit more for better accommodations. It's just that I like a comfortable place to sleep and a clean bathroom. Not that I give a damn after 4 beers but still rooms do matter.[/QUOTE]If it flies, floats, or fucks it is way cheaper to lease.

[QUOTE=HimKoi;1540648]Just wanted to ask you if you could recommend a good hotel in the middle of the action. I was told abc and penthouse have you tried these. I don't mind paying a bit more for better accommodations.[/QUOTE]Not to sound like a pretentious dick, but at the moment I can't think of any other way to say this; RTFF! Especially the AC hotels thread, fresh info there about the Penthouse and a few others as well as an excellent comparative review of the Penthouse / Queens hotels was just posted a few days ago by Key Master. ABC is also a good choice, just a short stroll to the walking street area of Fields.

[QUOTE=Will Money;1540669]If it flies, floats, or fucks it is way cheaper to lease.[/QUOTE]Truer words were never uttered. The only real questions how much, how long, and how often you will pay.

[QUOTE=Pip Jaeger;1540783]Not to sound like a pretentious dick, but at the moment I can't think of any other way to say this; RTFF! Especially the AC hotels thread, fresh info there about the Penthouse and a few others as well as an excellent comparative review of the Penthouse / Queens hotels was just posted a few days ago by Key Master. ABC is also a good choice, just a short stroll to the walking street area of Fields.[/QUOTE]Ok I deserved that.

Your post is useful, but a bit vague. I'm sure you have your reasons. No offense, any info is good info.

I can think of a few reasons for using the short time rooms, or nearby cheapo hotels.

1 You like it raunchy. (Many years ago there was a perimeter bar with st rooms. I'd been to the bar before, but didn't know about the room. The gal led me in and didn't close the door. Neither did I . Just a newbie. In the middle of fun, someone walks past the open door. She got up and closed the door. LOL. Later I realized anyone needing to use the toilet would walk right by that door. Yea raunchy sex is great.)

2 You have one of those late flights out of Clark and had to check out of your hotel. One for the road as some might say.

(I've done this several times on one of the later flights Clark to Cebu)

3 You like to play, but need to avoid unwanted publicity since the gf or wife might not be happy.

4 Your hotel or location or circumstances make it inconvenient to bring a gal back to your bed. (Clarkton was the farthest out I've ever stayed)

I'm probably missing a few other reasons.

[QUOTE=Oosik; 1540577]Just a no-particular-reason update. I visited AC in mid-February and went to my regular A Santos blow-row bar. The bar next door was one of the ones raided, so they've closed their upstairs rooms. Not a huge problem: They just walk you down to the short-time hotel a couple blocks south. 200 pesos for the room, which adds about 30% to the cost, but the room, while still dingy, is light years better than the old upstairs closet.

I'm not sure how much being a somewhat long-term regular affected the transaction, that is, whether they would have been more circumspect in dealing with me if they did not know me. By the same token, the walk to the short-time would have been a lot scarier for me had I been a first-timer: It is dark and not the best part of town. Not that the young lady on my arm would have thrown herself onto a knife to protect me, but at least I was fairly confident I wasn't being led into a set-up of some sort.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Oosik;1540577]Just a no-particular-reason update. I visited AC in mid-February and went to my regular A Santos blow-row bar. The bar next door was one of the ones raided, so they've closed their upstairs rooms. Not a huge problem: They just walk you down to the short-time hotel a couple blocks south. 200 pesos for the room, which adds about 30% to the cost, but the room, while still dingy, is light years better than the old upstairs closet.[/QUOTE]You have her for several hours. Why not take her to your hotel?

There are scams among AC bar girls, probably very frequently.

Last time I was in AC, I bar-fined a young good-looking light-skinned girl from Atlantis. She belonged to the most expensive tier in that bar and she knew she was hot.

I paid the bar fine, which was for all night, and walked with her back to the hotel. Before even reaching the hotel she was whining about having to meet her mom for something, and if I would mind to let her off after the first fuck etc. I knew there was going to be troubles. This girl is half-Chinese, thus her light-skin.

In the room, She was a total biitch from the start, pouting "... Don't do this, don't do that..." She kept whining about having to leave. She was just laying there huffing. I started penetrating her, when she claimed she was in pain. I pulled off, talking to her, promising a tip for her cooperation. She agreed. I put on more lube and reentered her just half way when she got all upset, pushing me off her, jumped off the bed, putting on clothes then left. I told her I would report her to her mommy and manager, but she did not give a shit. She left in a huff.

I went back to Atlantis and complained to her mamasan and the Australian manager. The dumb biitch was already back in the bar parading on the stage. The Australian manager told me I penetrated her so that was sex. Sex was done. He could not refund me. He would not address the all night issue. I was pissed off beyond belief. Apparently this rip off scheme happens a lot in AC and bar managers had worked out all arguments why they could not refund or punish the errant girls. This was on of the worst rip off that happened to me anywhere.

Fuck Atlantis. I heard it was raided recently and was closed down. I hope the cops and NGO's nail the asshole managers and mommies for [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908][CodeWord908][/url] and child prostitution. Also I pray all their ugly girls enjoy their long vacations with rotten food in prison.

The next bar fine was cooperating. She was willing to stay all night but her body was old and soft. So I let her go early to pursue younger girls.

[QUOTE=Dg8787; 1539435]It has been said many times that there are no scams from the bar girls. The scams are usually done by the free lancers but not all FL are scams according to some reports here. The BG might not deliver the promised long time action and go home early is the usual complaints. If you don't want to get caught up in some wallet wrenching scam then play it safe and hit the bars.

I have been tempted by some beautiful FL but do not want to chance it. Not worth the money to me.[/QUOTE]