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[QUOTE=Chill Out;1155276]But it doesn't mean it's impossible to have a girl (pro or not) like you for you, and want you for you. It doesn't mean it's accurate to assume that all women (including non-pros) are after money. Nothing could be further from the truth IMHO...[/QUOTE]
In most species (it applies to the human race too), females are looking for security. That's true in Thailand, in China ([url]http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2010-12/17/content_11715582.htm[/url]), everywhere around the world, and for women, security translates in money and/or power.

Purely selfless relationships do exist between young persons, but later, most women tend to be more interested in security than fun, at least when they are still able (or willing to) procreate. Many young adult women want to get married to (or have children with) a wealthy enough man who will take care of them and satisfy their (emotional, but also material) needs and that's usually when a "normal woman" starts to become more costly on a per fuck basis than a prostitute.

Saying that non-pros (especially Asian women for whom gaining face is very important) are not after money shows that you don't understand this part of the world very well or are still very young and have not been yet in a serious and long enough relationship with a local "non-pro" girl.

[QUOTE=The Pro; 1155325]Its the concept that those who do not monger, or monger very little cannot comprehend.

I pay the girl to go away.

By taking the money and departing she has no claim to call me unless I want to call her, she has no claim to speak to me next time she see's me unless I want to speak to her. She has provided a service, I have paid and now she goes away.

They say you pay for sex. No. Wrong. You pay the girl to go away and leave you able to enjoy hot sex with absolutely no emotional or any other kind of attachment before or after the event. [/QUOTE]So true so true!

[QUOTE=Pro Fesseur; 1155355]In most species (it applies to the human race too) , females are looking for security. That's true in Thailand, in China:

[url]http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2010-12/17/content_11715582.htm[/url]

Everywhere around the world, and for women, security translates in money and / or power.

Purely selfless relationships do exist between young persons, but later, most women tend to be more interested in security than fun, at least when they are still able (or willing to) procreate. Many young adult women want to get married to (or have children with) a wealthy enough man who will take care of them and satisfy their (emotional, but also material) needs and that's usually when a "normal woman" starts to become more costly on a per fuck basis than a prostitute.

Saying that non-pros (especially Asian women for whom gaining face is very important) are not after money shows that you don't understand this part of the world very well or are still very young and have not been yet in a serious and long enough relationship with a local "non-pro" girl. [/QUOTE]I have to agree on your statement and know that women getting beyond the 30ties tend to rate security and wealth of the partner or father to be miles above age and good looks. This is as well in the Western World but also in Asia true. On a straight forward costing point P4P might be the cheaper option in many cases. So let's enjoy our hobby and the offers Bangkok has to make!

Google for the book 'Sexploitation'. There are some classic quotes and wisdom in there. Broadly, women want the 'best deal'. Sometimes the law is used to alter the natural rules of the jungle. Sometimes men and women have misplaced valuations on their worth. The good thing about LOS is that it is a free market. It may not be about money now, but come splitsville in 1, 10, or more years, it IS all about money.

Enjoy Pattaya. Free of bullshit, and a standout of free market success in action.

[QUOTE=Pro Fesseur;1155218]The real Hi-So girls don't go out with the average foreigner in Thailand. Very few foreigners have the money and the connections to meet a real Hi-So girl in Asia.[/QUOTE]Hi-so girls won't go for foreigners even if said foreigner has money. I've lived in Thailand for 4 years and I very very rarely see a beautiful Hi-so girl with a foreigner, and even then, they are nothing to shout about. The girls like you see on the magazine covers want nothing to do with us, and most Hi-so girls won't even look at us. Foreigners are considered to be beneath them. They want to marry a rich Thai guy (preferably Thai-Chinese) with white skin. Keep in mind that Thais want to marry their own kind (much like Korea. They want a "pure blood" race) and being with a foreigner will cause them to lose face. Don't kid yourself into thinking that you're rescuing these girls from poverty. The Isaan girls go with us because they want money and they know that they have little chance of landing a good Thai man (most Isaan men a scum of the earth). But the Bangkok girls who are tall, white, and have good jobs and good families? Forget it. Like I said, they won't even look at us.

I did go out with a Hi-so girl for a few months. She was pretty, but she was not beautiful. She was a bit short and about 3 kgs overweight. Honestly it was a nightmare. The amount of money I spent on the slight possibility that she'd fuck me was insane. I quickly lost interest.

[QUOTE=The Pro;1155325]I pay the girl to go away.[/QUOTE]Not me. I pay the girl to come and have fun with me. I enjoy a woman's company. To each his own. :)

[QUOTE=The Pro;1155325]I have a list of girls I can bang anytime and for pretty much free, with just the cost of a meal and movie BUT they are either not very pretty or a bit overweight.[/QUOTE]My free pro charges 4K for 90 mins in a high-end shop in BKK and 6 to 10 K (usually 8K) a night when she freelances. I've seen (and answered myself) enough SMS from her clients to know this is true. So she is hot enough. So were the few non-pros I had on this trip.

At one point I moved into a non-pro's home because she wanted me to be closer to her and save on hotel costs. I stayed at her seaview bungalow for 10 days, no paying a dime on accommodation. No extravagant gifts or costly dinners were asked, or offered. I did buy her a little gift for 150 baths or so, and bought her some dinners and massages. She bought me another small gift and bought me some dinners and massages. We came out around even in the end.

It's not all about money.

[QUOTE=The Pro;1155325]If you want a pretty little Thai girl on your arm, for dinner, movies, shopping and sex its going to cost you a whole lot more money than simply banging a working girl.[/QUOTE]Just not true. If I had had to pay the non-pro I just mentioned for every night I spent with her, based on 15 nights or so x 2000 LT, that's 30K. Based on 3K LT, that's 45K. Based on 4000 LT, that's 60K. In what world do you spend that much on a normal girl in 2 weeks? I don't think I ended up even 1000 baths in the red. Even a single LT night in BKK would have been more costly.

BTW the girl was front desk management in a nice hotel. She wasn't hired for being ugly. ;) University grad, too.

What is the mathematical argument to say non-pros are more expensive? I still haven't seen it. Let's use 2K a night LT, which is certainly a discount rate already for girls that are "not overweight or ugly". Let's say you don't pay for any beers or anything else when you do P4P. And again that's a stretch. So you have a 2K budget. Do you really need to spend 2K on a normal girl, every time you meet her, to get somewhere? If not then where is the "more expensive" argument coming from?

[QUOTE=The Pro;1155325]There was a time recently when I was in a bar and 10 of the girls I had banged in the past, and I left with another new one. Thats the pleasure of P4P.[/QUOTE]No disagreement here. :)

[QUOTE=The Pro; 1155325]Purely selfless relationships do exist between young persons, but later, most women tend to be more interested in security than fun[/QUOTE]Here you do have a point. Girls over 27-28, in Asia, start to worry about marriage. They do look for security. In my experience it still doesn't mean you have to wine and dine them that much. But it does mean they will screen you out early if you are a broke English teacher smoking pot. Their standards become higher. And they need a commitment quicker.

But you are just changing the terms of the argument here. We weren't talking about P4P vs 29-year-olds who want to get married, we were talking P4P vs non-pros. There are plenty, plenty of 18-26 years-old non-pros in Asia who will be glad to be with you for you, no money needed.

I have had pretty good luck with fresh massage place girls before they get jaded. I had one girl from Pattaya who was just 18 and got a job at a massage parlor. I guess I met her within first few days of her work. She was a virgin and we were together for two years. Did not cost me much money except I had to pay some money to her work place to take her on vacations to Cambodia, Laos and Vietnam etc. She was not money hungry and was well satisfied with small gifts. In the course of two years she had learned the trick of making money. She is very pretty with white skin from northern Thailand.

After ablout a year I senses that she was selling herself to customers and could see the change. Since I was not planning to marry her or support her I did not make a issue of it.

All normal girls will be the same. Initially they will not be jaded but once they find out how to make or demand money and expensive gifts they change. After they change they will not be satisfied with small gifts.

But the fun is different with normal girls than p4p girls. We had very good time while it lasted.

Just spent 5 days on Solo Hotel, Suk 2. Just a walk to Nana Plaza. 1600 baht a day (through Agoda). No joiner fee and no odd looks when you bring girls. They get the ID of the girl and always call to your room before giving it back to her. I found this reasuring. It has a swimming pool at the roof with great views, large enouth to make exercise.

First time I visited the gogo bars, and still not sure if I like them, but definitely a intense experience. I would recommend specially Mandarin, low floor. The girls are supposed to be "second class", dark skin (all the people go to the second floor) but they really now how to create an intense and sexual ambient. Be careful as there is a LB hanging around there.

Regarding the price, I found there's a long way to follow, and you can definitely get away paying much less than it is said. But you risk crosing the fine line between having a good time with a girl and woman trafficking so I'm not going to extend much in this. In general I think is best to pay what you are asked and avoid places with too much discipline.

Hope this help you enjoy your time with these angels. Now time for me to go back to another world.

I've spent about 25% of my time in Thailand (mostly Bangkok) the past couple years. My focus has never been getting banged for the absolute minimum buck, although I do value price / performance. I like to have a good time, and great sex is part of that. I've had what I consider great successes and great failures. I still have enough game to meet and succeed with non-p4p ladies. There's something for everyone in Bangkok and one person's cherry might be another person's lemon. So here are my random observations, take them for what they are worth. And I'm sorry if this is too long.

The GoGo bars. There's so much talk of the goo bars on this forum. If it's your first time to BKK you should go. Standard costs are 500/600b bar fine and 1500 short time / 2500 long time plus all of the drinks you buy. In my opinion, these girls seem the most jaded / worn out. I haven't been wowed by a dancer. By the time you have some drinks, buy the girls drinks, pay the bar fine etc, the gogo bars are not all that cheap. Maybe I've just had bad luck with them. And the girl you thought was an 8 on stage is really a 6 when you get her home. For me there are better options. However, I did have a great time with a couple of the ladies that work out in front of Shark pulling customers in. Having said all that, I can still have fun at these places periodically even if I don't take a girl home.

Massage Parlors. I didn't go to any of these places for a long time. I suspect that a shop that is great today might suck tomorrow as girls leave and move on. Once I was taking cover from a monsoon down pour at Thonglor station and noticed Tulip massage. I thought what the hell. Went in, the ladies weren't attractive, but I was horny and it was raining so I went for it. I was less than impressed and will not go back. Sleazy facilities. Based on posts I read on this site, I ordered take out from Mango a couple of times (Apple and Cherry individually). I have to say they are way up there on the price / performance scale. Both are a lot of fun and enjoy their work. I visited the Mango shop once and did not care for the facilities. I'd rather order take out. I've also been to Pink and EZ on soi 24. EZ was OK, facilities not great, but it was OK. No real desire to go back. At Pink I had a great time. Splurged for their large room with a hot tub and the girl, whose name I forget, she loved sex. I think she appreciated the large room. Paid for two hours but stayed for three, then the lady down stairs wanted more money for staying too long. Too bad for her. In general, I thought Pink had a nice line up of girls.

Amsterdam: This is an upscale (relative to soi 24) massage place that caters to Japanese. It used to be called Champs-Elysées. It was recommended by a friend that has way too much money. The rooms are large, have whirlpools, and the girls can be very nice. I've been here 4 times and twice I left without choosing a girl. Costs are 3000-5000 for 2 hours in a nice room with a whirlpool and mattress for a soapy massage. I like the soapy massages. Each time I paid it was a bit over 4000, after negotiating from 5000. Please, no complaints. Both girls were fantastic. In selling one of the girls to me, the mamasan claimed one posed for the Thai Penthouse magazine. I didn't believe her but I cross examined the young lady once we were in the room and she volunteered that she had posed for the magazine. She looked good enough to be in the magazine. It really didn't matter as I had a fantastic time with her. A few months later I ran into her at Spasso and had an even better time, minus the soapy.

Q-Bar / Bed Supperclub: If you are into the type of scene (DJ's, loud music, browsed, bumping, dancing, hip music) these venues offer they can be a lot of fun. These are places where you can have fun with hot women, dancing, drinking, and then take them home at the end of the night. Some girls will have their own bottles of whiskey / vodka. Try to hook up with some of them and you may be drinking for free! Q-Bar on ladies night, Wednesdays I think, is packed with woman after midnight. And you might just get a freebie for the night or more. Or you may be negotiating.

Spasso / Barsu / five star hotel bars: You can find some really nice ladies at these bars. There is crossover between these and the Q-Bar / Bed supperclub scene. I've never paid more than 3500b at these places, although some girls will ask more a lot more. During a stay at a five star hotel, I was taking my then girl friend back to her car. As we walked through the lobby and I saw a girl that looked 1/2 thai and 1/2 brazilian walk into the lobby bar. So after I kissed my girl good bye in the garage, I darted to my room, dressed respectably, and raced back down to the bar. My guess was wrong. This girl was from Madagascar. We left and she took me out to a couple of bars before we returned to my hotel for a great night. While walking with her to the elevator the next morning, she starts crying. I ask what's wrong and she weeps "I usually get money for doing this". I acted dumfounded and gave her 2500b. She was back later in the afternoon. Which leads me to:

Negotiating: I never bring up price. More than once I have had a lady from hotel bars spend the night without price coming up first. And one of the girls from the Sharks front porch too, minus the bar fine. If you get them to bed without price first coming up you won the negotiation. If a girl is too hung up on price I pass. There's always another girl or another night. That's one of the reasons I prefer the hotel bar or club scene. I think I can get a better feel for attitude. Some girls want nothing other than the money, other want the money but are interested having some fun too. I've developed "relationships" with a couple of ladies from these places that enjoy going out for food / drinks and "free" sex, occasionally. I think even the freelancers at places like Spasso or Q-bar desire to maintain somewhat of a slice of normal life or at least a perception of one.

And anywhere: try your luck anywhere. Try to strike up a conversation. I've been lucky at food carts of all places. No kidding. Just play dumb and ask a good looking lady "what's that your ordering" or "is that good". Get the conversation started. Worst case scenario she looks at you like the fool you are. Best case scenario you get a dinner date with a local that can show you things in Bangkok that you will never find on your own and maybe she spends the night or more. In both of my successes I was in non-tourist areas and certainly not the Nana / Patpong / Soi Cowboy corridors.

Escorts: Is a 4000 or 5000b escort really that much more expensive than a goo bar girl? Considering the time you invest in going to a bar, getting there, drinks, etc. I do not think so. Escortpictures. Com has decent Bangkok ladies. Kitty and Candy on that site are fantastic. It's been a while since I've seen them and their rates have gone up. Used to be 4000b for a few hours. You could be comfortable with either of them at a social function early in the evening and then have your private porn session later on. And they are genuinely fun ladies. If you are in town for business for a couple days or your schedule is tight, I think escortpictures is a good option. There's an escort named Kai that is on escortpictures and has her own site. She looks smoking hot in her pictures and is expensive. I made an appointment with her. She showed up and I was so underwhelmed. Her photos are fake or a different lady showed. I asked her to leave. No problems, didn't ask for taxi money, I walked over to Spasso for the night. I've had success with a couple of others from escort pictures at 3500b and 4000b. Yes, I know I can go find someone on Sukhumvit near Nana for 1000b, but that's not my thing.

Beergarden: Not a bad place for a cold 3PM beer. It's rare that you will find a darling here but if you are looking for a cheap mid afternoon damp spot this might be your place. It's such a scene to take in. I did take a cutie from here one Sunday afternoon. Short girl, clean, very well spoken English, seemed out of place there, and no mention of price! I saw her a couple of times since.

Climax / Insomnia: What a scene in these after hours clubs. If you are up for a long night. 5AM or 6AM I think they are worth a visit.

(Escorts: Is a 4000 or 5000b escort really that much more expensive than a goo bar girl? Considering the time you invest in going to a bar, getting there, drinks, etc. I do not think so. Escortpictures. Com has decent Bangkok ladies. Kitty and Candy on that site are fantastic.)

When I attempt to pull up "Escortpictures. Com" I don't get any direct hit. Any chance this site is no longer in service or has been renamed?

Leaving for Bangkok in about a month, and I have to say that I found much of interest in your post. I tend to favor places like Gullivers or other pool places earlier in the evening to later move on to Spice Club / Climax or Insomnia later on. Guess that's my thing =) Although, after reading your post you have given me some alternatives to look into.

Thanks again!

[QUOTE=Ivanba; 1155685]I've spent about 25% of my time in Thailand (mostly Bangkok) the past couple years. My focus has never been getting banged for the absolute minimum buck, although I do value price / performance. I like to have a good time, and great sex is part of that. I've had what I consider great successes and great failures. I still have enough game to meet and succeed with non-p4p ladies. There's something for everyone in Bangkok and one person's cherry might be another person's lemon. So here are my random observations, take them for what they are worth. And I'm sorry if this is too long.

The GoGo bars. There's so much talk of the goo bars on this forum. If it's your first time to BKK you should go. Standard costs are 500/600b bar fine and 1500 short time / 2500 long time plus all of the drinks you buy. In my opinion, these girls seem the most jaded / worn out. I haven't been wowed by a dancer. By the time you have some drinks, buy the girls drinks, pay the bar fine etc, the gogo bars are not all that cheap. Maybe I've just had bad luck with them. And the girl you thought was an 8 on stage is really a 6 when you get her home. For me there are better options. However, I did have a great time with a couple of the ladies that work out in front of Shark pulling customers in. Having said all that, I can still have fun at these places periodically even if I don't take a girl home.

Massage Parlors. I didn't go to any of these places for a long time. I suspect that a shop that is great today might suck tomorrow as girls leave and move on. Once I was taking cover from a monsoon down pour at Thonglor station and noticed Tulip massage. I thought what the hell. Went in, the ladies weren't attractive, but I was horny and it was raining so I went for it. I was less than impressed and will not go back. Sleazy facilities. Based on posts I read on this site, I ordered take out from Mango a couple of times (Apple and Cherry individually). I have to say they are way up there on the price / performance scale. Both are a lot of fun and enjoy their work. I visited the Mango shop once and did not care for the facilities. I'd rather order take out. I've also been to Pink and EZ on soi 24. EZ was OK, facilities not great, but it was OK. No real desire to go back. At Pink I had a great time. Splurged for their large room with a hot tub and the girl, whose name I forget, she loved sex. I think she appreciated the large room. Paid for two hours but stayed for three, then the lady down stairs wanted more money for staying too long. Too bad for her. In general, I thought Pink had a nice line up of girls.

Amsterdam: This is an upscale (relative to soi 24) massage place that caters to Japanese. It used to be called Champs-Elysées. It was recommended by a friend that has way too much money. The rooms are large, have whirlpools, and the girls can be very nice. I've been here 4 times and twice I left without choosing a girl. Costs are 3000-5000 for 2 hours in a nice room with a whirlpool and mattress for a soapy massage. I like the soapy massages. Each time I paid it was a bit over 4000, after negotiating from 5000. Please, no complaints. Both girls were fantastic. In selling one of the girls to me, the mamasan claimed one posed for the Thai Penthouse magazine. I didn't believe her but I cross examined the young lady once we were in the room and she volunteered that she had posed for the magazine. She looked good enough to be in the magazine. It really didn't matter as I had a fantastic time with her. A few months later I ran into her at Spasso and had an even better time, minus the soapy.

Q-Bar / Bed Supperclub: If you are into the type of scene (DJ's, loud music, browsed, bumping, dancing, hip music) these venues offer they can be a lot of fun. These are places where you can have fun with hot women, dancing, drinking, and then take them home at the end of the night. Some girls will have their own bottles of whiskey / vodka. Try to hook up with some of them and you may be drinking for free! Q-Bar on ladies night, Wednesdays I think, is packed with woman after midnight. And you might just get a freebie for the night or more. Or you may be negotiating.

Spasso / Barsu / five star hotel bars: You can find some really nice ladies at these bars. There is crossover between these and the Q-Bar / Bed supperclub scene. I've never paid more than 3500b at these places, although some girls will ask more a lot more. During a stay at a five star hotel, I was taking my then girl friend back to her car. As we walked through the lobby and I saw a girl that looked 1/2 thai and 1/2 brazilian walk into the lobby bar. So after I kissed my girl good bye in the garage, I darted to my room, dressed respectably, and raced back down to the bar. My guess was wrong. This girl was from Madagascar. We left and she took me out to a couple of bars before we returned to my hotel for a great night. While walking with her to the elevator the next morning, she starts crying. I ask what's wrong and she weeps "I usually get money for doing this". I acted dumfounded and gave her 2500b. She was back later in the afternoon. Which leads me to:

Negotiating: I never bring up price. More than once I have had a lady from hotel bars spend the night without price coming up first. And one of the girls from the Sharks front porch too, minus the bar fine. If you get them to bed without price first coming up you won the negotiation. If a girl is too hung up on price I pass. There's always another girl or another night. That's one of the reasons I prefer the hotel bar or club scene. I think I can get a better feel for attitude. Some girls want nothing other than the money, other want the money but are interested having some fun too. I've developed "relationships" with a couple of ladies from these places that enjoy going out for food / drinks and "free" sex, occasionally. I think even the freelancers at places like Spasso or Q-bar desire to maintain somewhat of a slice of normal life or at least a perception of one.

And anywhere: try your luck anywhere. Try to strike up a conversation. I've been lucky at food carts of all places. No kidding. Just play dumb and ask a good looking lady "what's that your ordering" or "is that good". Get the conversation started. Worst case scenario she looks at you like the fool you are. Best case scenario you get a dinner date with a local that can show you things in Bangkok that you will never find on your own and maybe she spends the night or more. In both of my successes I was in non-tourist areas and certainly not the Nana / Patpong / Soi Cowboy corridors.

Escorts: Is a 4000 or 5000b escort really that much more expensive than a goo bar girl? Considering the time you invest in going to a bar, getting there, drinks, etc. I do not think so. Escortpictures. Com has decent Bangkok ladies. Kitty and Candy on that site are fantastic. It's been a while since I've seen them and their rates have gone up. Used to be 4000b for a few hours. You could be comfortable with either of them at a social function early in the evening and then have your private porn session later on. And they are genuinely fun ladies. If you are in town for business for a couple days or your schedule is tight, I think escortpictures is a good option. There's an escort named Kai that is on escortpictures and has her own site. She looks smoking hot in her pictures and is expensive. I made an appointment with her. She showed up and I was so underwhelmed. Her photos are fake or a different lady showed. I asked her to leave. No problems, didn't ask for taxi money, I walked over to Spasso for the night. I've had success with a couple of others from escort pictures at 3500b and 4000b. Yes, I know I can go find someone on Sukhumvit near Nana for 1000b, but that's not my thing.

Beergarden: Not a bad place for a cold 3PM beer. It's rare that you will find a darling here but if you are looking for a cheap mid afternoon damp spot this might be your place. It's such a scene to take in. I did take a cutie from here one Sunday afternoon. Short girl, clean, very well spoken English, seemed out of place there, and no mention of price! I saw her a couple of times since.

Climax / Insomnia: What a scene in these after hours clubs. If you are up for a long night. 5AM or 6AM I think they are worth a visit. [/QUOTE]

Not a bad post but I would disagree on the Escorts.

These girls are short time and asking 4000 baht or more for short time. You can get the same at BG or Gullivers for 1500 baht.

Why do they ask that much?

Its their target clients. These girls target men who cannot go out to bars to get girls, in the main they are servicing middle east muslim men. Thats their prime market, men who have to use girls who can arrive at their room without them needing to go out. They also take in some visiting executives, again the kind of people who cannot be seen hanging around sleezy area's of Bangkok.

Thats why they ask and get away with the high prices. But for your average visitor any of the escort services are a total waste of money.

[QUOTE=Ivanba; 1155685]Escorts: Is a 4000 or 5000b escort really that much more expensive than a goo bar girl? Considering the time you invest in going to a bar, getting there, drinks, etc. I do not think so. Escortpictures. Com has decent Bangkok ladies. Kitty and Candy on that site are fantastic. It's been a while since I've seen them and their rates have gone up. Used to be 4000b for a few hours. You could be comfortable with either of them at a social function early in the evening and then have your private porn session later on. And they are genuinely fun ladies. If you are in town for business for a couple days or your schedule is tight, I think escortpictures is a good option. There's an escort named Kai that is on escortpictures and has her own site. She looks smoking hot in her pictures and is expensive. I made an appointment with her. She showed up and I was so underwhelmed. Her photos are fake or a different lady showed. I asked her to leave. No problems, didn't ask for taxi money, I walked over to Spasso for the night. I've had success with a couple of others from escort pictures at 3500b and 4000b. Yes, I know I can go find someone on Sukhumvit near Nana for 1000b, but that's not my thing.[/QUOTE]

Excellent report, Ivanba.

life is hard. while everyone spent time debating about wether p4p is better than non p4p, i had a busy week.

i fucked 4 different non-p4p gals and managed to still have power for a visit to 7eme ciel oily.

we can debate about which is better and paying the girls to leave or to stay.

i say, the hell with theories and long speeches. just do whatever you want and make sure you are happy.

my dilemma is that all 4 non-p4p are on holiday tomorrow and all of them want to meet. i told them i am lazy and need only sex (2 already confirmed they are ok to pop-by and by my slave for the day hehehe

[QUOTE=Ivanba;1155685]I've spent about 25% of my time in Thailand (mostly Bangkok) the past couple years. My focus has never been getting banged for the absolute minimum buck, although I do value price / performance. I like to have a good time, and great sex is part of that. I've had what I consider great successes and great failures. I still have enough game to meet and succeed with non-p4p ladies. There's something for everyone in Bangkok and one person's cherry might be another person's lemon. So here are my random observations, take them for what they are worth. And I'm sorry if this is too long.[/QUOTE]All too true. Different guys are looking for different things, so while I might not agree with absolutely everything you say, its a great report. I am also a go with the flow type and haven't got the patience to look for absolute cheapest deals. I don't even necessarily go after freebies unless the girl is really exciting me. You have given a good range of options for guys to try and good info on the style.

I for one, have had some very good experiences with dancers at bars, and either pretty or at least good bodies.

I like the chance to look for a long time before deciding, even if that means visiting several bars, one drink each till find something exciting.

Be careful with your price / performance ratios. The lower the ratio, the better, when price is the numerator! So just be careful with the wording in case give the opposite impression.

BTW, There is nothing wrong with a lengthy report packed full of good information. A long dissertation of complete drivel is another matter. Its the continual posters of smart arsed negative comments, particularly where they no factual knowledge, that get irritating, when nothing of value is evident. If someone doesn't like a long report, he doesn't have to read it all. Yours was nicely broken up into topics.