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I have seen armed guards with pistols and shotguns, but this club has some heavy-duty assault weapons, like they anticipate war.

For one thing, the local hot shots would probably feel safer screwing young girls with serious protection.

Secondly, these shady and lucrative operations tend to draw serious competition, which may hire armed thugs to harass and disturb their business, hence the need for heavily-armed guards.

I think all clubs have to pay protection to police and organized crimes to stay in that business.

[QUOTE=BrainDrain; 1541883]Considering the amount of weaponry I see going to the bank in Phils or to Sm Mall, is this all that much?

I just don't enjoy the 'asian' way of mongering. I do enjoy the way that AC has provided a western way of pick-up' mongering even if we could never fail.

I go out of my way not to interfere with the Phils world of big money.

BD[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Golfinho;1541484]Is there not an American run place where Koreans, Malasiatics, and or Japanese are treated this way or else refused entry?[/QUOTE]I sure there is plenty of them. I am not unhappy with the way I get treated in the BIG Bars I accept it has something that just is the way it is. Just wanted to let other know that IF you expect the girls in the big bars to treat you fair and your white you might have a problem. Don't get mad just go to the mid sized bars they love you there

i enjoyed my 4-5 days in ac. had sex with 3-4 girls every day, and a lot of fun once i got into the groove. at first it was a bit overwhelming to walk into the bars. sometimes all the girls would clap. the waitresses and mamasans immediately started hustling me to sit down and buy a drink and chose a girl to buy a drink for. i was trying to treat the bars as serial fishbowls, and they were trying to resist this. but after a while i got a better feel for how to handle things.

i had just the same impression as others here of big places being geared towards asians, with some really pretty girls who are not very interested. las vegas right by orchid inn is a good example of this. damn there were some syts in there. and man were they arrogant and unfriendly. but once i understood why, it did not seem that bad. i can think of more unpleasant reasons for being cold-shouldered than being assumed to have a big dick and sexual prowess.

conversely, as pointed out by others below, in the small and medium sized places a fantastic time can be had. some of them are open in the middle of the day, and that's when i really had fun. lots of bored girls, not too tired, few or no other customers, not so pushy mamasans. my first perusal of the bars on my night night of arrival made the whole scene seem a bit inhumane, with humorless girls paraded on stage for hours in bikinis. but these daytime experiences showed me the warmer side of many bars. stroll in and there are 8-15 or so 19-25 year old girls fooling around, lying around doing their makeup, chatting etc. the atmosphere is totally relaxed. in some places the atmosphere between them was really good too, obviously good relationships with the mamasans. they could spontaneously sing a song in full choir formation or do a little dance performance, clearly enjoying themselves. sometimes a 30-something mamasan would fondle me, give me a little rub or something in a naturally cuddly way. nice.

i loved (often) being able to barfine any of the women in a bar, including waitresses and door women. a couple of the waitresses and door women i barfined were not the most dramatically beautiful, but voracious in bed.

most bars don't serve food, but some can order in from a nearby eatery. so i thought why waste my time eating alone in a restaurant when i can eat in the company of a harem of beautiful late teens and early twenties. i noticed the girls looked at my food hungrily, so i offered them some and before you could say "up to you" we had a party going. as someone noted somewhere else on the forum, feeding the girls is a really good idea. today i was in the bar "shiprecked" on the walking street section of fields avenue. only one other customer in the whole place. 3-4 girls pranced lovingly on me when i walk in. a mamasan massaging my hand. oh the difficulties of choosing. free market competition at its best. a 19 year old wins my attention (name withheld, sorry). she is bouncy, smiley, energetic, dirty-talking. not quite my thing, but she does it so well i can't resist. i see this is going to be good, so order a drink for me and one for her. then i find i am hungry, ask if she wants some."- no thanks. sure?. yes. ok." but one of the other girls says she would like some buffalo wings. so i order 10 (total cost 1 usd) and quite a lot of food for myself. while we are waiting for the food a nut vendor comes pushing his wares, so i get five small trays for the girls, which they gobble up (another dollar). when the real food comes they all happily partake. turns out jane is very hungry too. after all. in the end i give up most of my fish and chips and crab cakes to share with them too. afterwards the atmosphere is kicking. the girls are doing crazy fun dances on stage, blowing me kisses, coming by for a cuddle, fooling around. everybody is happier after a meal, and in addition these girls are poor and perhaps more importantly they are watching their weight. but once the food is there they eat it and it makes them feel good too. this is a daytime strategy for empty bars, at night with a big crowd and more focus on squeezing dollars out of clients it might still work to some extent, but not as sure a winner.

i had a nice experience with a cherry girl too. cute, shy but clearly interested. spent over an hour talking her into letting me barfine her, with a friendly and intelligent waitress as negotiator-facilitator-moral support for the girl. they were both shit scared i would take her virginity, but i promised and promised that i wouldn't and was very explicit about what i did want. perseverance prevailed and i had a lovely time with her: her first dfk, her first daty, her first bj, rimmed her to high heaven. she gave off so much sexual energy it felt like i was going to get radiation burn. i kept my promise, walked her all the way back to the bar. everybody was so relieved, and i felt like a hero. the waitress negotiator gave me a deep kiss and a never-ending, clinging hug. the barfine was their standard 2100 php.

in the little street alongside orchid inn there are 3-4 little bars. 2-3 of which had been closed in the recent raids discussed on the forum. while i was there at least two of them opened again. mostly not so attractive older women, but an attractive one in each bar. at only 800 php i couldn't resist and fucked two of them. they both turned out to be a bit floppy (though slim) mothers with pretty faces. not quite my thing, but friendly, nice people.

one of them told me about the raids. all the girls (her too) were taken away. it is called a "shelter" but it is actually a prison. only a few minutes on mobile phone per day permitted, and only on loudspeaker with a ward present. only one hour of visits per week, and under supervision. at first they get ok food (jollibees etc.) , then they are moved to a different detention centre and the food is crap. most importantly they are not allowed to leave. these who are supposedly ****d can be kept there for up to 1. 5 years. she told me about a friend of hers who is 21 and is single mother to two children. they insisted she is **** because she didn't have her wisdom teeth yet. so she is pent up there, unable to take care of her kids. they don't accept any documents proving age submitted by the girls themselves, only if the documents are brought by their close relatives (and not a lawyer or anybody else). for some girls this is no problem. for many others, whose relatives don't know how they make a living this creates incredible shaming pressure. and pressure to pay bribes. foreign organizations are involved. nobody uses the opportunity to teach them about condoms, offer to pay school fees so they can finish high school or help them get a different job. goddam fucking asshole hypocrites. she told me all of this on her own initiative, i dint even raise the topic. when i read about this in advance i thought it was ****s coming up with lame arguments, but now i know it is actually true. there probably are some girls who need to be saved, but these raids have nothing to do with that.

and as noted by many on the forum, many ac girls are very easy about going bareback. although i have slipped in the past, i believe that it is my responsibility as the better informed and older person in the relationship to avoid that, no matter how much i w o you l the enjoy it. i have sex with a lot of women. if i go around doing it bareback, i may get away lucky, or i may get hiv or something else, and then i am passing it on to 18-25 year olds who are consensual, but who do not understand the consequences of what they are doing because nobody has taught them. so essentially i would be taking significant risk of killing gorgeous, kind, loving, generous girls who are having beautiful, wild sex with me. i don't want to be doing that. and i think that if i did go bareback i would be providing the ultimate argument for feminists and the people pushing the raids. there is a strong consensus on no **** (usual under-18) girls on this forum. i support that because one has to draw the line somewhere. but there are some 16-17 year olds who can have a beautiful time with a nice guy who treats them well and come away from it quite ok emotionally and otherwise, but still we ban it. and at the same time, risking infecting 19 year old mothers with hiv is fully accepted? i don't mean to harass those of you who go bareback, just want to state my own perspective. i also appreciate those of you who are honest about what you do, because it increases transparency for all of us.

Cucumber, thanks for posting. And your post shows that it's up to the visitor himself to have nice time here. It is what you make of it.

[quote=cucumber;1542114]i enjoyed my 4-5 days in ac. had sex with 3-4 girls every day, and a lot of fun once i got into the groove. [snip][/quote]excellent informative, intelligent and entertaining post! congratulations!

this is in stark contrast to lukeskywalker's neverending ramblings about being scammed.

btw over in the china. dongguan thread, lukeskywalker has been running down ac as a hotbed of paedophilia. the following are 4 of his recent quotes.

(1) but i read there have been a few raids of bars and clubs in angeles city for trafficking young girls. i kept hearing of a lot of child prostitution in angeles city at obscenely young ages.

(2) in angeles city, i overheard offers for girls as young as 7, 8 at a few venues. looks like ****philia is rampant in ac.

(3) my factual reporting (actually already watered down a great deal) is meant to suggest that hanging out in angeles city amidst apparent rampant ****philia is inappropriate. i did mention a few times i would not return to ac due to its offerings of crude, ugly girls, bad food, low-brow entertainment, and the stigma of rampant child prostitution.

(4) i would not waste my time in angeles city because the girls and the whole town cater to the needs of low-brow customers with very poor taste. ac girls are mostly young country bumpkins. they are not pretty or good-looking, actually some of the crudest girls in asia. [snip] ac is literally a meat market. there is really not much refinements in girls, bars, food, drinks, entertainment, culture. guys are basically going to the boondocks to fuck crude, bad-looking girls cheap. i suspect ****philia is also ac's major attraction.

these are all extracts from lukeskywalker's actual posts. i leave you, as esteemed colleagues, to make up your own mind about the guy.

[QUOTE=Ikksman; 1542311]Excellent informative, intelligent and entertaining post! Congratulations!

This is in stark contrast to LukeSkyWalker's neverending ramblings about being scammed.

These are all extracts from LukeSkyWalker's actual posts. I leave you, as esteemed colleagues, to make up your own mind about the guy.[/QUOTE]Wow I was getting ready to post the same thing. You beat my fingers to it.

Robb

[QUOTE=LukeSkywalker; 1541969]Skip did a very good job summarizing the options in AC.

There are about 12 smaller bars on Fields Ave, like under 2000 Sq Ft with a stage and about a dozen girls dancing to the music. Some of the girls are young and very good-looking. The bar fines are between 1500 to 2500 pesos. If you can make sure the management will make the girls stay all night, then these smaller bars are probably the best option.

When you are with any girls, you can ask them to bring their friends or relatives. The girls were always asking me if I wanted other girls.

One night I came back late about 2AM. I talked to the young cop who hangs out at the trike parking at the west end of Fields. He said he would bring young, pretty girls. He did bring a girl to my room later. I gave him a small tip. She was older and not very attractive. Her prices were very low.

SM mall's food court is nice, clean, cool. It has the widest varieties of Filipino foods and drinks and also a lot of young, good-looking girls, either selling or shopping. Worth trying.[/QUOTE]Why do you post stupid shit on an internet board? So you want to force a girl to stay with you all night? You make it sound like the girls are being forced. You also continue to post about young girls. WTF?

You really want us to believe all of your posts. Especially when you post you ask a young cop for a young girl and he delivered?

[QUOTE=Cucumber;1542114]Most bars don't serve food, but some can order in from a nearby eatery. So I thought why waste my time eating alone in a restaurant when I can eat in the company of a harem of beautiful late teens and early twenties. I noticed the girls looked at my food hungrily, so I offered them some and before you could say "Up to you" we had a party going. As someone noted somewhere else on the forum, feeding the girls is a really good idea. Today I was in the bar "Shiprecked" on the walking street section of Fields Avenue. Only one other customer in the whole place. 3-4 girls pranced lovingly on me when I walk in. A mamasan massaging my hand. Oh the difficulties of choosing. Free market competition at its best. A 19 year old wins my attention (name withheld, sorry). She is bouncy, smiley, energetic, dirty-talking. Not quite my thing, but she does it so well I can't resist. I see this is going to be good, so order a drink for me and one for her. Then I find I am hungry, ask if she wants some."- No thanks. Sure?. Yes. Ok." But one of the other girls says she would like some buffalo wings. So I order 10 (total cost 1 USD) and quite a lot of food for myself. While we are waiting for the food a nut vendor comes pushing his wares, so I get five small trays for the girls, which they gobble up (another dollar). When the real food comes they all happily partake. Turns out Jane is very hungry too. After all. In the end I give up most of my fish and chips and crab cakes to share with them too. Afterwards the atmosphere is kicking. The girls are doing crazy fun dances on stage, blowing me kisses, coming by for a cuddle, fooling around. Everybody is happier after a meal, and in addition these girls are poor and perhaps more importantly they are watching their weight. But once the food is there they eat it and it makes them feel good too. This is a daytime strategy for empty bars, at night with a big crowd and more focus on squeezing dollars out of clients it might still work to some extent, but not as sure a winner.[/QUOTE]I have the same experience and it's also a nighttime strategy I think (I did not visit any bars in the daytime except for a few shorttime bars). A lot of the bars allow food vendors to come inside. At first I considered them as a pain in the ass but then I realized they might only allow this because of the girls' needs specifically. Since then I often buy the girls some food and most of the time it's very welcome indeed.

By the way: trip report coming up but not as good as yours I'm afraid.

7 years ago I have been to Angeles a few times but only for a couple of days and although I had some nice sessions with sweet and good looking girls I preferred Pattaya over Angeles. But recently I thought I give it a try again and so far I have not been disappointed. This time I'm staying a few weeks, which is always better than a few days of course. Still I don't know if I prefer Angeles over Pattaya now. Each place has its pros and cons.

It's certainly an improvement that they have partially closed Fields Av (Walking Street) for motorized vehicles. Now you can breath normally when bar hopping or sitting at Kokomos.

Something that has not improved unfortunately is the huge number of locals that try to sell you something, the trike drivers who want 100P and the beggars, especially the kids. A few of those fucking little fellows (maybe only 7 or 8 yo) even tried to get my wallet, something I did not experience 7 years ago. And today one of them blew some kind of berries to me using a small blowpipe when he failed to get my wallet. Those berries stick to your clothes and although they don't really make a sting it's very annoying. Anyway, you cannot really blame them as they grow up in dire circumstances. But I was about to strangle the little bastard, LOL.

Another thing that has changed is that almost all of the girls I had so for asked for a condom for FS. Back in 2007 only very few girls asked for that.

The first night I was here a 'Tequila Girl' (as she called herself; not a dancer but only trying to sell tequila to the customers) in the Nemesis bar was smiling at me and showed she was interested. There weren't that many customers so not much to do for her. She was quite stunning (I would rate her an 8. 5) and we had a nice chat. She said she's 27 and works in a supermarket in SM Mall as a cashier in the daytime. Being a Tequila Girl is only a side job for which she gets a whopping 90P a night.

I barfined her for 2500P and took her to my hotel. She said I was her first foreigner but I did not believe her because she was acting quite professionally. She also said she was 'not good in sex' (her own words) and she asked me how much time it normally takes me to cum and how many times I wanted to cum, LOL. So in a subtle way she was telling me she preferred a short time. Nevertheless once in my hotel she was not in a hurry at all, gave a decent enough BBBJ and an enjoyable missionary and doggy (nice meaty butt she had, yum!). Haven't seen her again unfortunately. Haven't seen any Tequila Girls at all anymore in Nemesis as a matter of fact. Maybe I should try to find her in that supermarket.

A few days later I barfined another girl from Nemesis. It was the night they were raided, in fact I barfined her only a few hours before the raid. When we were done she said she would go home. I certainly hope she did because if she went back to the bar it's possible that she was back in again right before the raid started. I haven't seen this girl either anymore so I could not ask her. She was definitely in her early twenties (she said 22).

Anyway, this girl was perfect. Definitely a 9 as far as I'm concerned. Very cute face and smile and a body that was close to perfection (if not 100% perfect). Lovely unshaven pussy. Nice personality, not arrogant at all but a little bit shy and sexually inexperienced. She really did her best to give me a nice BBBJ but she hardly succeeded and I did not want to spent too much time to teach her. She enjoyed DATY a lot, maybe a bit too much because when I entered her she was so damn wet that I hardly felt anything anymore. Well, maybe she just wasn't that tight. Nevertheless I enjoyed her thoroughly. Would love to do her again but as said before I haven't spotted her again. You should have asked her number you moron.

Took a 27 yo from Q Bar on another night. She was smiling a lot at me and was making very clear that she wanted to sit with me. So I honored her 'request' and from the start she was all over me, kissing and hugging, usually a good sign. She was just your typical Pinay, a girl next door type, maybe slightly above average.

Nice girl, also outside the bar, and we had a good session in my room. A bit hesitating at the start but during DATY she became really horny. She rode herself to an orgasm (or most likely more than one) on top of me with a very intense look on her face. I love it when they love it!

I have her number (I was not a moron this time) but I'm a bit reluctant to do her again because she drank too much beer to my taste. I don't drink much alcohol myself and I really hate it when they drink too much. I have had some very bad experiences in the past with girls that drank way too much.

Usually the girls do not drink alcohol during the sessions in my room. Even girls who drink quite a lot of alcohol in the bar prefer soft drinks or water once they are in my room. But maybe they only adapt to the guy they are with, I don't know.

I also barfined a cherry girl for the first time in my life. I can better not tell you the name of the bar since it's quite a small one and she might be the only virgin working there. To give a hint: the bar has a sinister name.

Between mostly average girls I noticed this skinny, flat chested but attractive girl with long legs. I invited her to sit with me and after we chatted for 20 minutes or so I asked her if she would like to come with me. She said she would certainly like that but she also 'confessed' at that point that she was a cherry girl. It didn't surprise me. For reasons I cannot explain it was already in the back of my mind that this could be a cherry girl. Maybe it was something in the way she acted or talked, I can't put my finger on it.

I asked her if she was willing to give me a BJ. Nope! OK, I expected that.

Then I asked her if she was willing to kiss. Sure! And can I lick your pussy? Yeah, no problem! OK lady, we've got a deal. Normally I hardly ever ask a girl for her service upfront. I only do that when I have my doubts for whatever reason. I have the feeling it spoils the relationship and atmosphere if you handle it like a business deal. I know it is a business deal in the end but it should not feel that way for the girls. It's just that in this case I didn't want to end up in bed with a starfish cherry girl that wouldn't allow me to touch her at all.

For a whopping 3000P she was 'mine', but I didn't mind. This girl was only 20 yo, sweet, intelligent and pretty. At least I thought she was pretty but as we all know the lightning (or lack of that) in a bar can be deceiving. So I'm always prepared that a girl is slightly disappointing in better lightning. So we walked outside and. OMFG. This girl is. Drop dead gorgeous! A solid 9. 5. And if she hadn't been flat chested a solid 9. 9. (I never give a 10, the perfect woman doesn't exist.)

She was a real sweetheart, I liked her very much. She enjoyed DATY a lot. She squeezed my head between her legs to 'force' me to continue, in the meantime hopping up and down that rock hard sweet little ass of hers. I don't think I was the first guy who DATY her but I wasn't number 100 for sure either. More likely number 3 or 4.

It was amazing how relaxed she was, apparently she felt at ease with me. The only time she 'panicked' (big word) a little bit was when I tried to put a finger in her pussy. She pulled away my hand immediately. Same thing when I approached her ass hole. She did allow me however to lick her there and again I got the feeling I wasn't the first one.

Later on she tried to give me a HJ but she was very unskilled so I stopped her.

I didn't expect she wanted to stay all night but to me surprise she did. Even when I told her we had to get up at 6 AM because I had the early flight to Bangkok. That was 1 AM so only 5 hours to go.

We didn't sleep very well and at 6:15 AM we both had half a banana for breakfast and she also ate some potato chips I still had lying around. I had planned to have breakfast at the airport.

Later I realized I should have taken her to Margarita Station that was within walking distance for a proper breakfast. Oh well.

But I do have her number!

To be continued.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;1542343]I have the same experience and it's also a nighttime strategy I think (I did not visit any bars in the daytime except for a few shorttime bars). A lot of the bars allow food vendors to come inside. At first I considered them as a pain in the ass but then I realized they might only allow this because of the girls' needs specifically. Since then I often buy the girls some food and most of the time it's very welcome indeed.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Cucumber;1542114]Most bars don't serve food, but some can order in from a nearby eatery. So I thought why waste my time eating alone in a restaurant when I can eat in the company of a harem of beautiful late teens and early twenties. I noticed the girls looked at my food hungrily, so I offered them some and before you could say "Up to you" we had a party going. As someone noted somewhere else on the forum, feeding the girls is a really good idea.[/QUOTE]Daytime or nighttime, it doesn't really matter, but I mostly did it in the smaller bars and when they weren't too crowded. Another option, the one I mainly used, was to give a girl a couple hundred pesos and send her out to one of the street venders. They usually know where to go to get good BBQ and they would often come back with an armload of food (and they always brought change too, which I usually told them to keep). A little goodwill goes a long way and can certainly liven things up. There's something to said for having a bevy of girls clustered around, each vying for attention; especially if you let them feed you, LOL. But be warned, it can get messy; BBQ flavored pussy anyone? It's finger licking good; I think ya'll get you my drift (insert big grin).

Great report Cuke, thanks for taking the time to share your experience! Good to hear that ST bars on Raymond St have re-opened; they're probably being cautious about the girls they have there, but I'm sure some sweet and fresh ones will be there soon enough.

There's something going on at Angelwitch at the moment. When I was sitting there just 1.5 hour ago all of the girls suddenly disappeared backstage and didn't show up anymore.

After about 20 minutes most of the customers had left the place. When I asked a waitress where all the girls had gone she said (with a nervous smile) "I don't know". Guess she didn't want to tell me (lose of face?).

2 Days ago a girl at Pussycat Dolls which is nearby already said there was something going on at Angelwitch.

[QUOTE=Golfinho;1541832]Is this all completely due to nationality or ethnic? Or something else? A lot of the Asians in AC are from a different 'class' than the Americans. And in their home countries these Asians have already experienced the dregs of America, the military enlistees. So in Philippines of course they wouldn't want to associate with these poor type westerners based on class more than race. If that's the way they think the westerners are lowlife with no money or trying to exist on their little pensions. Just saying or wondering.[/QUOTE]The answer is 'no'.

Some girls do not like to go out with white guy because of follow reasons.

First, they might afraid of the size of dick of white guy. Especially, who do no enjoy sex will feel it very painful.

Second, A girl who has only worked in Korean bar may not have slept with other than asian (pinay, korea, japanese). She may not ready for interracial sex.

But the percentage of this kind of girl is very small. I assume less than 5. The big bars operates like that on the other reason, 'Money'.

One interesting thing is that not every Asian is welcomed at those big bars. An individual visitor is treated as same way as a white guy no matter he is Korean, Japanese, or Chinese. Usually group tourist is welcomed and receive special treatment because.

Firstly, as we all know, they spend a lot of moeny. Throwing 20 pesos on the sky, excessive tips to waitresses, and huge amount of tip to girls as well. I do not think they are very rich guys. However, because they only stay in Angeles two or three nights, they do not care about the money and want to show off during their short stay. Even the tour guide make them use more money (= more comission) by persuading (more tip, better service) or threatening (do not make locals get angry because it can lead some accident. Just give them money as they ask). So even when the girl runs away, still she can get a good amount tip. What a sweet deal!

Secondly, they cannot speak English, which means they will not (cannot) complain.

The tour groups usually give a visit to big bars by following reasons:

First, tour guide leads them. They are not dare to venture to other bars by themselves. (communication problem)

Second, they do not have much time to spend on bar hopping and big bars provide large selection.

One more thing to consider. The attitude of girls are infectious. Once one girl starts to make easy money, she will share the information with other girls. (How to run away, how to get more tips, etc). And every girl in the bar start to act same way.

One example. Agasya was very popular among Asian guys because of the quality of girls. But, after while, it became very notorious with the frequent runaways and I think no one is visiting there anymore.

But, unfortunately, those girls can easily find other bars to work and spread the terrible attitude to other girls. This all started with the influx of Asian mongers who do not know the rule of game.

[quote=skip kost; 1541822]allow me to offer an impressionistic summary based only on reading from this thread. i will suggest that there are five market "niches" in ac:

1. the big, expensive showbars, such as the dollhouse group, where some have had experiences like the one luke reported. barfines are perhaps 3000 pesos and above.

2. what betong refers to as the "smaller" ac bars, rep001tered in the fields and perimeter areas with takeout barfines ranging from 1500 pesos to low 2000s...[/quote]1. bar. the best angeles can offer. we all know very well. not to mention very much.

pros. pretty cheap compared to manila scene. large selection.

cons. the quality of bar / girl varies. you need to take some time until you find your type of girl.

2. jtv (julia, pink lady)

pros. best quality girls in angeles.

cons. no b / f.

3. korean / chinese ktv's (yacht club, don't tell mama, dukkubi, color 888)

who has experience in china will know about this kind of place very well. drinking and singing in the private room.

pros. very little chance of run aways.

cons. expensive (b / f 4000 + extra cost for alcohol, etc)

4. strip club (dunk shot)

pros. can see more exposed body of female than bar.

cons. no barfine.

5. local bar.

never tried.

6. disco club (skytrax, high society)

fishing place. you can find freelancer or bar girl who finished their work.

pros. cheap.

cons. scam by the girl. noisy place.

7. street girls (mostly near phillies)

pros. cheap.

cons. scam by the girl. can be lady boy.

8. online (dia and many many sites)

at any part of world, you can try internet in order to find a girl.

pros. you have a chance to meet a non-working girl. cheap.

cons. scam by the girl. do not trust the picture on the profile.

what else? that is the list of places where you can fined wgs. surely, you can find non-working girls at any place (malls, hotel front, street, etc) and that is not even worth to mention. i think the best way to enjoy angeles is mainly stick on the bars and try something else when you are tired of bar scene.

[QUOTE=Mogwai; 1542527]There's something going on at Angelwitch at the moment. When I was sitting there just 1. 5 hour ago all of the girls suddenly disappeared backstage and didn't show up anymore.

After about 20 minutes most of the customers had left the place. When I asked a waitress where all the girls had gone she said (with a nervous smile)"I don't know". Guess she didn't want to tell me (lose of face?).

2 Days ago a girl at Pussycat Dolls which is nearby already said there was something going on at Angelwitch.[/QUOTE]They got raided the other night, on the 8th I think. It was just a shakedown raid by the local PNP and they re-opened right away. Last night an undercover agent came in, or so they thought, so the mama had all the girls hide in the back / leave.

[QUOTE=Raideen;1542559]One interesting thing is that not every Asian is welcomed at those big bars. An individual visitor is treated as same way as a white guy no matter he is Korean, Japanese, or Chinese. Usually group tourist is welcomed and receive special treatment because.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the insight (s).