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[QUOTE=ThatIndianGuy1;2665635]Hello folks,
I am visiting SP for the first time in two weeks. I don't know Portuguese language at all. How big the language barrier is going to be with SP girls?.[/QUOTE]I'll also be in SP in 2 weeks. I'd be happy to help out.
Context: This was my first visit to Brazil with close to none Portuguese knowledge. I am just another guy out in late 30's and here to share my experience / report.
First things first, thank you! To this forum for amazing tips and recommendations. So here is my time to pay it back to the community.
I had lot of hassle in the flight departing USA (flight got cancelled 3 times) and I ended up reaching Brazil 15 hours later then originally expected. Despite all the hassle I was able to finally land to Brazil around midnight in Rio. Given this is SP forum, I will skip my Rio report (to be posted soon there in Rio group) So after 4 days in Rio, I took domestic flight from Rio - SP.
Landed SP around 4 ish.
Hotel:
- Hotel Grand Mercure São Paulo Ibirapuera. I'd recommend this hotel as it was GF and had no trouble navigating to other places in SP. I find that to be in safe neighborhood as well.
- Tip: Always check with hotel that if it is GF before booking AND also check how close the hotel is from Scandello (more on this later).
Mongering: From my RTFF on this forum, one thing I knew was Scandello is a place to be and it totally live to the hype.
Scandello: So as soon as I landed so SP I chcked-in, got food and went to Scandello around 8 ish. 400 cover with 200 consumable. The place is something to experience and not to be described. Out of my 7-8 days in SP I ended up coming to Scandello almost every night. Typically you will find around 100+ girls. I managed to find and fuck all my fantasies.
You will find almost all types of girls of your taste. Lack of language has it's cost but it is not a deal breaker. I learned like 20 ish words in Portuguese and was comfortable to give my intro, ask names, say that I know very little Portuguese, ask if you know English etc. To kick off the convo. Google translate was my buddy to fill in the gap wherever needed.
Out of all girls I hooked up at this club, I was able to arrange few sessions for BBFS. It was until last few days I realized that how amazing the food is at Scandello.
I highly highly recommend visiting Scandello if your budget allows. Price one should keep in mind: 400 entry (with 200 consumable), + additional drink you consume (beyond 200) + girls you choose (typical one hour is 500-700) + 230 for the hotel room. So as you can see, if you partake into one session. You are looking at 400+500+230 = 1130 at the very least. But it is totally worth it, like I said. The experience is what justifies this price.
Apart from Scandello, I did 3-4 sessions from online girls. Easy to arrange and I asked them to come to my hotel.
Cafe-photo: Cafe-photo (which is now renamed to Lotus) was early there around 8:00 PM and only 5-6 girls, Manager said he can have 20 ish girls around 11. So decided to party at Scendello instead.
Lotus Lounge for massage: Nice place, you get to pick girls from tablet. I did 2 sessions there. Both were up to my satisfaction and IMO, nice lineup of girls there. Try to pre-book if you are picky like me. Cost: 680 (350 girl + 330 spa).
Route 22 massage: Low end, found 2 girls there and none was up to my standard to bailed out. Cost: 300.
EdenSpa: They show presentation of girls one by one. I picked up one and ended up having a session. It was OK session. Cost: 500.
Also managed to pick-up local girl (sheer luck) from the restaurant, she was fluent in english. She showed me around the city and we ended up having few sessions in my hotel (free) - tbh, this was not in my agenda but I was just lucky to be in a right place at a right time. She was 30 yo skinny white skin gal.
On average I was having 3+ sessions on a given day. I am ALREADY planning when should I go next. I might end up making another trip in May / June.
Downside: there is NO downside but somehow, I personally was tired of "fuck" on 8th days of my trip to Brazil haha. 3+ sessions a day, everyday and at sometime it was mechanical to me. If and when I go next I want to revisit my approach so I don't feel this way.
I know this is not the best described report but I am happy to take feedback and answer any questions. Also from other senior members, if there is anything I should have done differently I can take more recommendations as well.
Cheers.
[QUOTE=Brsvv;2666616]I'll also be in SP in 2 weeks. I'd be happy to help out.[/QUOTE]I'm not a paid member so can't contact you but thank you for the offer anyway.
[QUOTE=Gabbarsing;2666856]Context: This was my first visit to Brazil with close to none Portuguese knowledge. I am just another guy out in late 30's and here to share my experience
I know this is not the best described report but I am happy to take feedback and answer any questions. Also from other senior members, if there is anything I should have done differently I can take more recommendations as well.
Cheers.[/QUOTE]Nice report and good going on the BBFS. Did having your test on hand help out? Also, thanks for pointing that a knowledge of Porto is not necessary for doing what you want to do. Basic phrases re good to know but google can do the rest🤣.
I have nothing more to add o wvommend because I would do the same thing if I happened to stay in SP as long as you did and I think even I would be "sexed" out after your schedule. I am sure other senior types will come along and discuss how the clinicas and prices are better cost wise and the girls are of the exact same quality as Scandello 🙄.
[QUOTE=Gabbarsing;2666856] Sao Paulo Visit | Feb 6th to Feb 13th Context: This was my first visit to Brazil with close to none Portuguese knowledge. I am just another guy out in late 30's and here to share my experience / report.[/QUOTE]Good and informative report. Like the posting of expenses.
[QUOTE=Gabbarsing;2666856]Context: This was my first visit to Brazil with close to none Portuguese knowledge. I am just another guy out in late 30's and here to share my experience / report.
First things first, thank you! To this forum for amazing tips and recommendations. So here is my time to pay it back to the community.
I had lot of hassle in the flight departing USA (flight got cancelled 3 times) and I ended up reaching Brazil 15 hours later then originally expected. Despite all the hassle I was able to finally land to Brazil around midnight in Rio. Given this is SP forum, I will skip my Rio report (to be posted soon there in Rio group) So after 4 days in Rio, I took domestic flight from Rio - SP.
Landed SP around 4 ish..[/QUOTE]Good report Gabbarsing. Sounds like you had a real good time: "3+ sessions on a given day." Way to go! Everyone had their own pace. I always do at least one girl per day and when I am in the mood and I meet up with the right girl, I will happily take on a 2nd one, so my average is approximately 1. 5 girls per day which I can keep going for an entire trip. For example on my last trip to RJ & SP in October / November (6 weeks). I felt real good the entire trip and I really did not want it to end. KKK. I even arranged for one my favorites to come over to my hotel in the afternoon just a couple of hours before I left for the airport for one last tryst.
So, I think you just need figure out the pace that is right for you for the long haul. You are young. Maybe 2.5 girls per day. LOL.
One more thing: I recall the Scandalo entrance fee being 200 br with no consumable charge and all drinks charged at the point of consumption to my running tab. I usually show up there around 9 pm or later after they open up the large entertainment bar and the outdoor patio bar. I believe they comp the 1st drink if you arrive before 7 pm.
[QUOTE=Anaggie;2666966]Nice report and good going on the BBFS. Did having your test on hand help out? Also, thanks for pointing that a knowledge of Porto is not necessary for doing what you want to do. Basic phrases re good to know but google can do the rest🤣.
I have nothing more to add o wvommend because I would do the same thing if I happened to stay in SP as long as you did and I think even I would be "sexed" out after your schedule. I am sure other senior types will come along and discuss how the clinicas and prices are better cost wise and the girls are of the exact same quality as Scandello 🙄.[/QUOTE]Yes test on hand comes in very handy.
[QUOTE=AxelHeyst;2667263]Good report Gabbarsing. Sounds like you had a real good time: "3+ sessions on a given day." Way to go! Everyone had their own pace. I always do at least one girl per day and when I am in the mood and I meet up with the right girl, I will happily take on a 2nd one, so my average is approximately 1. 5 girls per day which I can keep going for an entire trip. For example on my last trip to RJ & SP in October / November (6 weeks). I felt real good the entire trip and I really did not want it to end. KKK. I even arranged for one my favorites to come over to my hotel in the afternoon just a couple of hours before I left for the airport for one last tryst.
So, I think you just need figure out the pace that is right for you for the long haul. You are young. Maybe 2.5 girls per day. LOL.
One more thing: I recall the Scandalo entrance fee being 200 br with no consumable charge and all drinks charged at the point of consumption to my running tab. I usually show up there around 9 pm or later after they open up the large entertainment bar and the outdoor patio bar. I believe they comp the 1st drink if you arrive before 7 pm.[/QUOTE]Thanks for sharing your insights Alex. And yeah during my next trip, I will go for 2 girls / sessions per day type of arrangement. It is sustainable for a longer run, like you said. I guess I was little too excited as this was my first trip. But this trip also motivated to work on my cardio so that's what I am focusing on in USA -- haha to be better at "performance" in my next visit.
For folks, who have been to Colombia and Brazil (SP / Rio) - which place is better for mongering.
I just got back from Brazil and this was my first ever "mongering" trip and boy I totally loved it. So here I am planning my next trip already. However, Brazil is a 16 hours flight for me so I am considering Columbia which is 10 hours flight.
Anyone been to both Brazil and Colombia that can give me some comparisons? I am not too much worried about some marginal difference in living or sex cost.
My priority is (in that order).
- Safety as solo traveller and lack of local language knowledge.
- Easy to navigate mongering hobby.
- Quality of girls (white skin, hottie).
[QUOTE=Gabbarsing;2667666]For folks, who have been to Colombia and Brazil (SP / Rio) - which place is better for mongering.
I just got back from Brazil and this was my first ever "mongering" trip and boy I totally loved it. So here I am planning my next trip already. However, Brazil is a 16 hours flight for me so I am considering Columbia which is 10 hours flight.
Anyone been to both Brazil and Colombia that can give me some comparisons? I am not too much worried about some marginal difference in living or sex cost.
My priority is (in that order).
- Safety as solo traveller and lack of local language knowledge.
- Easy to navigate mongering hobby.
- Quality of girls (white skin, hottie).[/QUOTE]I'll just keep this simple. I like both countries, but I love Brazilian people and culture more. And I like the way Brazilian girls fuck more better. If you want the GFE, then stick with Colombia. But if you want more PSE and / or anal action, then go with Brazil.
[QUOTE=Gabbarsing;2666856]
Mongering: From my RTFF on this forum, one thing I knew was Scandello is a place to be and it totally live to the hype.
Scandello: So as soon as I landed so SP I chcked-in, got food and went to Scandello around 8 ish. 400 cover with 200 consumable. The place is something to experience and not to be described. Out of my 7-8 days in SP I ended up coming to Scandello almost every night. Typically you will find around 100+ girls. I managed to find and fuck all my fantasies.
You will find almost all types of girls of your taste. Lack of language has it's cost but it is not a deal breaker. I learned like 20 ish words in Portuguese and was comfortable to give my intro, ask names, say that I know very little Portuguese, ask if you know English etc. To kick off the convo. Google translate was my buddy to fill in the gap wherever needed.
Out of all girls I hooked up at this club, I was able to arrange few sessions for BBFS. It was until last few days I realized that how amazing the food is at Scandello.
I highly highly recommend visiting Scandello if your budget allows. Price one should keep in mind: 400 entry (with 200 consumable), + additional drink you consume (beyond 200) + girls you choose (typical one hour is 500-700) + 230 for the hotel room. So as you can see, if you partake into one session. You are looking at 400+500+230 = 1130 at the very least. But it is totally worth it, like I said. The experience is what justifies this price.
[/QUOTE]Thanks for the report!
Scandallo is truly heaven on earth for hobbying. I just finished a week long trip myself (I landed shortly after you left) and agree with your sentiments 100%. I will post my trip reports in the next day or 2.
I am curious about additional details about your BBFS negotiations with Scandallo girls. 1) Did you negotiate it before leaving the club or after while in the room? 2). Were all your sessions 1 hour at the adjacent hotel or did you take any girls back to your hotel for an overnight? 3) did you offer or did the girls ask extra $$ for BBFS?
I've had my fair share of success negotiating BBFS, but I usually broach the subject back in my hotel room rather than at the club. I would like to hear your experience so I can get additional data points.
It just appears to me that they are more agreeable when in the comforts of my hotel room, with music, wine and snacks, etc. Setting the mood. But if one wants to be sure they are getting it, having it negotiated before leaving the club is necessary.
You mentioned typical 1 HR at Scandallo was R500-700. Was that their opening offers or what you finally settled on after negotiations?
I have found during my last 2 trips, the girls are asking for more than last year. But I generally do overnight, so I was hearing lots of R2 k to R3 k for overnight my last 2 trips, while last year, I was hearing lots of R2 k to 1. 5 k for overnights. I still end up talking down to R1 k to 1. 5 k without much issues.
[QUOTE=Gabbarsing;2666856]
Scandello: So as soon as I landed so SP I chcked-in, got food and went to Scandello around 8 ish. 400 cover with 200 consumable. The place is something to experience and not to be described. Out of my 7-8 days in SP I ended up coming to Scandello almost every night. Typically you will find around 100+ girls. I managed to find and fuck all my fantasies.
[/QUOTE]You can also get reduced entry of 200 (150 consumption included) by arriving before 7 pm. You can also leave and return same day and don't have to pay any extra entry and just be responsible for any consumption (no minimum).
I often times drop in at 5 or 6 with friends and the leave at 7 or 8 for dinner the return after.
I think Mondays are also slow and it's just 200 (150 consumption included).
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You will find almost all types of girls of your taste. Lack of language has it's cost but it is not a deal breaker. I learned like 20 ish words in Portuguese and was comfortable to give my intro, ask names, say that I know very little Portuguese, ask if you know English etc. To kick off the convo. Google translate was my buddy to fill in the gap wherever needed.
[/QUOTE]Knowing Porto is obviously a plus, but Google translate is incredibly powerful when used right / well. I love the conversation mode with the auto setting on. I have been able to talk to a girl with Google translate hands free. As they were busy feeling her up while we were fucking!
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I highly highly recommend visiting Scandello if your budget allows. Price one should keep in mind: 400 entry (with 200 consumable), + additional drink you consume (beyond 200) + girls you choose (typical one hour is 500-700) + 230 for the hotel room. So as you can see, if you partake into one session. You are looking at 400+500+230 = 1130 at the very least. But it is totally worth it, like I said. The experience is what justifies this price.
[/QUOTE]A few things to keep in mind. The hotel charges per hour so if you want multiple hours, it can get pricey. Exit fee is R250 and the LUSH love motel is nearby and incredible so can be a better option. Better yet is to take a girl back for an overnight at your place, where you can fuck as long as you want and do it again in the morning / afternoon.
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Downside: there is NO downside but somehow, I personally was tired of "fuck" on 8th days of my trip to Brazil haha. 3+ sessions a day, everyday and at sometime it was mechanical to me. If and when I go next I want to revisit my approach so I don't feel this way.
[/QUOTE]I know the burnout of too much fucking well from previous trips Due to the time and expense of traveling to somewhere to mainly hobby, a person usually overdo it!
I've since learned to pace myself better and stick to 1 girl a night / day. I love overnights with new girls or dinner dates & overnights with repeats.
I can usually get one in before dinner, another before sleeping and one more in the morning. That leaves me so satisfied that I don't need to hit up a clinica or massage or online girl during the day.
The savings of having 3+ shots for 1 overnight price saves money too vs. 3 separate girls for 1 hour each with potential room fees.
[QUOTE=SocratesNY;2667835]Thanks for the report!
Scandallo is truly heaven on earth for hobbying. I just finished a week long trip myself (I landed shortly after you left) and agree with your sentiments 100%. I will post my trip reports in the next day or 2.
I am curious about additional details about your BBFS negotiations with Scandallo girls. 1) Did you negotiate it before leaving the club or after while in the room? 2). Were all your sessions 1 hour at the adjacent hotel or did you take any girls back to your hotel for an overnight? 3) did you offer or did the girls ask extra $$ for BBFS?
I've had my fair share of success negotiating BBFS, but I usually broach the subject back in my hotel room rather than at the club. I would like to hear your experience so I can get additional data points.
It just appears to me that they are more agreeable when in the comforts of my hotel room, with music, wine and snacks, etc. Setting the mood. But if one wants to be sure they are getting it, having it negotiated before leaving the club is necessary.
You mentioned typical 1 HR at Scandallo was R500-700. Was that their opening offers or what you finally settled on after negotiations?
I have found during my last 2 trips, the girls are asking for more than last year. But I generally do overnight, so I was hearing lots of R2 k to R3 k for overnight my last 2 trips, while last year, I was hearing lots of R2 k to 1. 5 k for overnights. I still end up talking down to R1 k to 1. 5 k without much issues.[/QUOTE]How do you guys justify these prices? A pernoite with a Scandallo girl is 2000 R-2500 R easy, including the entrance fee, take out fee, etc. Thats 400 to 500 USD at current exchange rate. Regardless of how much money you have, don't you think it is pricey for Brazil? Also, you can't test drive a girl before you agree on the price, so you have no idea how she will perform in bed. These girls are pros, and pros generally do not provide GFE. The best sessions I have had in my life were with non pros or semi pros. Service is always a gamble, but in case of Scandallo, a very pricey one. In Colombia you can fuck the hottest girls for $100-$200 USD. In Rio probably the same price range, up to 1000 R pernoite. So, why bother with SP and Scandallo?
[QUOTE=Gabbarsing;2667666]For folks, who have been to Colombia and Brazil (SP / Rio) - which place is better for mongering.
I just got back from Brazil and this was my first ever "mongering" trip and boy I totally loved it. So here I am planning my next trip already. However, Brazil is a 16 hours flight for me so I am considering Columbia which is 10 hours flight.
Anyone been to both Brazil and Colombia that can give me some comparisons? I am not too much worried about some marginal difference in living or sex cost.
My priority is (in that order).
- Safety as solo traveller and lack of local language knowledge.
- Easy to navigate mongering hobby.
- Quality of girls (white skin, hottie).[/QUOTE]Have been to both countries dozens of times. I give Brasil the edge for this hobby, as the women just tend to be wilder. Having said that, Colombia is about half the travel time for me as Brasil and I also speak Spanish much better than Portuguese. So Colombia has its advantages.
Both countries can be dangerous, but if you watch yourself you're generally ok. I've had close calls in both, but escaped unscathed.
I prefer morenas, but you can find light skin girls in both countries. In Brasil, SP has more than Rio and the South of the country has even more. In Colombia, stay inland for the Blancas.
[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2667879]How do you guys justify these prices? A pernoite with a Scandallo girl is 2000 R-2500 R easy, including the entrance fee, take out fee, etc. Thats 400 to 500 USD at current exchange rate. Regardless of how much money you have, don't you think it is pricey for Brazil? Also, you can't test drive a girl before you agree on the price, so you have no idea how she will perform in bed. These girls are pros, and pros generally do not provide GFE. The best sessions I have had in my life were with non pros or semi pros. Service is always a gamble, but in case of Scandallo, a very pricey one. In Colombia you can fuck the hottest girls for $100-$200 USD. In Rio probably the same price range, up to 1000 R pernoite. So, why bother with SP and Scandallo?[/QUOTE]1st I don't justify nothing. Each of us are different. Our commonality lies in the fact that we are all men trying to maximize our pleasures given our personal preferences and our individual financial constraints.
Where to start? Expenditures: some guys on principle will not spend more than 300 br for a pernoite for whatever reason, who cares, and some guys are willing to spend a whole lot more, again who cares?
Quality: its in the eye of the beholder, man. What can I say? I have seen guys with girls I would not fuck blindfolded, and yet they are having a great time and think they are with a hot tamale. Conversely, I know some guys would not think too highly of my slender, small tit / small ass preferences. Who cares?
"So, why bother with SP and Scandallo?" I think that is a rhetorical question on your part because I think you have already made up your mind on this and you prefer the Termas and RJ. But here is my answer anyway: IMHO, the best looking girls that I have seen & shagged in RJ Termas are in the 6 range of Scandallo girls. That does not mean I am not attracted to some Terma girls and I do not have a good time at the Termas because I do. It just means that on an average night I find better lookers and in larger numbers in Scandallo than in any RJ Terma that I know of. I also prefer the classy nightclub ambiance that Scandallo has over the Termas, although I need variety too, so I like to have fun in the Termas as well. My nights would soon seem repetitious if I only went to Scandallo and the other SP Boates or If I only travelled to Brazil and shagged Brazilian girls exclusively.
Pro vs Amateur: "These girls are pros, and pros generally do not provide GFE. The best sessions I have had in my life were with non pros or semi pros. " I won't argue with you over who provides the best sex: pros or amateurs. Let's assume that you are right. I still prefer hookers because at this stage in my life I don't want the emotional baggage that comes with a non-professional relationship. You pay no matter which type of girl you are with. I prefer a straight up $$$ transaction that's all and yet many of my repeat girls give me solid GFE and we have stayed in touch for years and years. I have this Thai girl that I met in 2009 when she was 22 and the sexiest little girl in Baccara. She is no longer Go Go quality, that's life, but I like her so we continue to see each other. That is a GFE.
On LT ie the pereonite: I think you make a valid point with "you have no idea how she will perform in bed" But so far, knock on wood, I have not had a bad session in a SP Boate, Clinica, or RJ Terma, although quality does vary from "that was pretty good" to "OMG, that was fucking amazing". KKK. For this reason, I never commit to a LT session until I have sampled a girl's ST and discover I really want to spend a whole night with HER.
So, when I go to Scandallo or the other SP Boates or a RJ Terma, I like to shag in-house when I first meet a girl. Then afterwards I like to hang around with the girl if everything was really good and I like her. If the feeling is mutual we exchange What's App numbers so we can set up a meet at her apartment or my hotel for next time. Or I like to hang around the club solo and see who else is available for a possible 2nd in-house round. So yeah, the Boate tab or the Terma tab for that matter can get large, KKK. You do the math: Scandallo entry fee, room charge, girl #1, drinks, then more drinks, room charge, girl #2. But I am having a great time with some smoking hot girls and frankly I don't give a fuck what anyone else thinks about that. LOL.
Anyhow, the bottom line for me is the nightlife is better in SP for the reasons I gave, namely the best looking girls, although I like RJ too just not as much. Ha Ha. But as I said at the top of this post, "we are all men trying to maximize our pleasure given our personal preferences and our individual financial constraints. " You do it your way and I will do it mine and we will get along fine.
A. H.