German FKK Clubs - Lounge and chat area

[QUOTE=McAdonis;2334072]The younger WGs at the tourist clubs often choose NOT to copy the most successful WGs. They often choose to model themselves after the sharkiest WGs. In fact, as WGs gain experience, their service and attitude generally starts to deteriorate, skewing more towards the sharkiest WGs then towards the most successful WGs. Those two facts alone should speak volumes.

I believe these sharky WGs have observed other WGs as well as learned their own experience. They know what their threshold is for tolerating customers. The annoying customers, the delusional customers, the suffocating and emotionally needy customers, the stalker customers. My final thought is that some of these WGs have already made more money than they ever dreamed possible. Once you have reached major financial milestones, money ceases to be the primary motivating factor. Plenty of mongers in their 40-50's, particularly the ones that are not married with kids, have admitted to me that they are no longer working long hours towards a promotion like they did in their younger years. Instead, they are looking to coast to the finish line. More work-life balance. More FKK trips. I suspect the WGs are the same. For instance, the WG's financial goal might be to just net 300 EUR per 12 hour shift. As long as they are making that, they are fine with more smoke breaks in the lounge. Less time dealing with customers. And less stress.[/QUOTE]Everyone here had excellent points in favor or against the ability and willingness to learn good business practice by the masses of current snarky FKK girls. But all that said, isn't it still beneficial to us mongers to try to coach at least some of these girls if / when we talk with them? Even if only 5% girls improve after 3 or 6 months, isn't it still better than what we get from them now? Why should we not try (maybe in between sessions when sometimes we do useless banter with the girls, particularly when a girl complains about not making enough money or not many customers etc etc) when we have nothing to lose, only chances of some gain even if that's only incremental? I plan to do my part of that "trying" going forward, hope some of you here will too. 😊.

I plan to post individual reviews in the threads for each of these clubs, but here's my overall impression of Duss-area FKKs:

They are not as good as Frankfurt, not even close.

Living Room on Friday night had the full complement of girls (about 20 - 30). But only three were do-able to my taste, and I only got one. This club is way too small and barebones to charge a 60 Euro entry fee. But more on this greedy management later. I got a green-eyed, all natural Romanian brunette called Renata for a 130 Euro (1 HR) session with many of the extras I like (I'll include details in my Living Room thread review). As I mentioned, there were a couple of other girls I could have done at least a basic session with, but I was saving up for the following day. It may have been a mistake.

I drove out to Golden Time on Saturday afternoon. It's run by the same management at LR, and charged the same overpriced 60 Euro entry fee. This visit was a disgrace! It was my first FKK visit ever without even getting a single girl. It's my first-ever bad review of an FKK, or even bad forum review period. The club was infested with mongers at 3 in the afternoon. It seemed there were at least 100 guys. They ran out of lockers! They claimed to have 75 girls working, but all I saw was 25 ugly ones. Fake, old, and defensive (from all the guys). It was a disaster. When I left in a huff after only two hours of aimless wandering, the management ran out to ask what was wrong. They wouldn't offer to refund even a part of the entry fee, of course. Not even a free transfer to Living Room (just the standard discount).

I said to hell with them and both their clubs, driving down to Dolce Vita, and paying the same 35 Euro entry I would have paid at LR (with the damn discount). Dolce Vita was very low-key, with few mongers and girls even through Saturday evening. But I sessioned with a blonde petit Bulgarian named Victoria for 100 Euro (incl extras), and a modellesque, blonde, tattoo-free Romanian beauty named Laora that had one of the most memorable bodies I've seen in a while. More in my DV thread review.

In short, some hard work and a few diamonds in the rough saved the weekend. But Dusseldorf is not Frankfurt. Not by a long shot!

[QUOTE=PahllusMaximus;2334169]Mainhatten has an "ash room" but what other clubs have no smoking or controlled isolated smoking?

Was at Mainhatten recently. Very once 3 D action in the kino, *very* hung guy screwing this chick who loved the attention and seemed to be definitely liking it. Quite amusing to see big balls slapping against her and a huge horse like dick crammed in. Needless to say I booked her but she was a bit sore so finished with a nice BBJ.[/QUOTE]Clubs with ash / smoking rooms are in a decline it seems. Marina had it (closed now), and Palace had it before the renovation.

Off the top of my head I can only think of Oceans still having an ash / smoke room now (it is pretty new also. And before they got it last summer, smokers had to go out in the backyard to smoke). And at Paradise Stuttgart it is allowed to smoke in the bar room, but not in the main lounge. At Magnum I think there were sectioned off areas where smoking was allowed, and where it wasn't also.

[QUOTE=McAdonis;2334072],,,My final thought is that some of these WGs have already made more money than they ever dreamed possible. Once you have reached major financial milestones, money ceases to be the primary motivating factor. ,,,For instance, the WG's financial goal might be to just net 300 EUR per 12 hour shift. As long as they are making that, they are fine with more smoke breaks in the lounge. Less time dealing with customers. And less stress.[/QUOTE]It is likely only minority of girls have successfully save their FKK earning responsibly for education, home, retirements. Those who do I believe quit FKK entirely once financial goal are reach, then to move on to better life. I hearing girls expressing displeasure of the FKK unhealthy bad food, the smoke, listen to the same music every hour, no sun, little sleep, long work hour, crazy customer, vagina become sore but still must to work through such soreness, not enjoy sex anymore, cannot have real boyfriend so stay lonely, unlikely a girl would stay in FKK if she having worked enough to reach significant financial successes.

The girl you are mention who deal less with customer likely still need the moneys, but they wishing to make most money with least amount of customer and least amount of wear on the body. These are such girls who demand 100 for 30 minute, typically prefer more expensive anal customer to save their sore vagina, and have client list of lonely widower type man who just wish talk them several hours in room without any or much actual service. Such girl avoid regular clients who only give normal 100 for 60 min. Instead these girl seek the "extras" customer or overpaying tourist they can exploiting with 5 minute session. Agreeing with you that such girl seek less stress and more smoke break, but for them I believing money is still a main motivation for remain in FKK.

[QUOTE=Gino02;2334209]Everyone here had excellent points in favor or against the ability and willingness to learn good business practice by the masses of current snarky FKK girls. But all that said, isn't it still beneficial to us mongers to try to coach at least some of these girls if / when we talk with them? Even if only 5% girls improve after 3 or 6 months, isn't it still better than what we get from them now? Why should we not try (maybe in between sessions when sometimes we do useless banter with the girls, particularly when a girl complains about not making enough money or not many customers etc etc) when we have nothing to lose, only chances of some gain even if that's only incremental? I plan to do my part of that "trying" going forward, hope some of you here will too..[/QUOTE]Gino,

In theory, what you say makes sense. As you said, if each of us can influence even just one girl to better herself and her service and attitude and energy levels, the club will be a much better place.

Perhaps it would be helpful if you have specific and concrete ideas. What are the things you have in mind that can set a badly performing girl down the path of becoming better?

Remember, it has to be a girl whose service and attitude are not satisfactory. Sharks' Mandy does not need help from any of us to improve her service, it is the Casseys of Oase that the other gent mentioned in a different thread who need mending and reform.

And simply saying "don't entertain such girls, walk away from them, do not agree to their demands for extras, do not pay extra for BBBJ and kissing etc" will not cut it. Sensible mongers are already doing all those things and that did not bring about any noticeable change in their behavior and service.

If you can lay out your concrete suggestions and if you have already tried these on any girl and what the result has been, that will inspire more of us to follow the path you are recommending.

[QUOTE=PahllusMaximus;2334169]Mainhatten has an "ash room" but what other clubs have no smoking or controlled isolated smoking?

Was at Mainhatten recently. Very once 3 D action in the kino, *very* hung guy screwing this chick who loved the attention and seemed to be definitely liking it. Quite amusing to see big balls slapping against her and a huge horse like dick crammed in. Needless to say I booked her but she was a bit sore so finished with a nice BBJ.[/QUOTE]Finca has smoking only in the back room area, with fans mounted high on the wall to exhaust the smoke. Works pretty well.

From my experiences, most of German girls working in FKK really come from low level, why many are often marked like cow with pimp name, brother name as they say, written on them. Highest level Romanian girls don t work in FKK, but in normal job, even they make less money. Even some speak different languages, but I don t meet many who sound clever, most are bad liars, think they can drive most of guys like little dogs and become angry when they can't control one. This business is full of frustration for WGs and some guys.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2334113]Then they get taxed on that one.[/QUOTE]They don't get taxed on that amount, they get taxed on what they declare. You get my point!

Remember their money is without invoice, without receipt, even the entry in many clubs is without a POS machine, and no credit=debit cards accepted.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2334181]There are a few girls around who specialize in faking orgasms. So I just ask them mid session if they do that. Try it! Worst case, they laugh about it, and while doing so, tense their stomach muscles when doing so.[/QUOTE][I]As long as you are pleased with the lesser, you cannot have the highest. Whatever pleases you, holds you back.[/I]

-- Nisargadatta Maharaj.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2334333]From my experiences, most of German girls working in FKK really come from low level, why many are often marked like cow with pimp name, brother name as they say, written on them. Highest level Romanian girls don t work in FKK, but in normal job, even they make less money. Even some speak different languages, but I don t meet many who sound clever, most are bad liars, think they can drive most of guys like little dogs and become angry when they can't control one. This business is full of frustration for WGs and some guys.[/QUOTE]I agree 100 %. Siri couldn't say it better.

I believe there is high level however but that is less than 5 %.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2334180]Not sure. If any, it would probably have to be Estephania. Maybe other girls tries to copy her tactics. She over analyzed the sharks market. At Oase I've seen her make tons of money on a busy night. But perhaps not so much on slower days. Maybe over a month she did make more at sharks. That might just be the case with many new girls now too. They test the market more than girls in the past did. So heavy tourist clubs can make rates skyrocket, and girls can misjudge everything. Leading to lower income in the long run.

I read a few 3 or 4 year old posts of Sidonia at Sharks. And they all seemed to be very poor. But my own experience with her is only the best. Close to 10/10 last time. Maybe she is one who now has noticed the importance of improved reputation. I didn't do her 3-4 years ago when she was new. Maybe that was a good call. Maybe it is best to let the girls start with a slow year, and then try them later on. Also these sub 20 year old sometimes have a tendency to whine about size way too much. And the extra year or two may be good for others to have stretched them out a bit also, LOL![/QUOTE]Small doll Estefania doesn't seem so busy now at Oase, same for Adela, and I visit only on Friday or Saturday.

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2334092]Of course, the strong minded among us would say "just withhold paying any extras to the girls and do not give business to the bad service girls, and eventually they will be so devoid of any business and either have to change their ways or leave the business altogether". In effect, these guys have faith in the market and suggest that if only the mongers stayed united and stopped rewarding the bad service girls, the world would be alright.

I do not disagree with this view, but the flaw is that mongers are no more united than the girls. Invariably, the tourists, newbies, mongers flush with excess cash, and many others do not care about paying a few euros extra and break ranks. As in any market, it is the *marginal buyer and marginal seller* that sets the clearing price.
[/QUOTE]At smaller clubs where management is more hands-on and male customers are more socially interconnected and sharing information with one another, that sharky WG will not survive for long. She will need to conform or find a megaclub.

[QUOTE=Jolokia;2334285]The girl you are mention who deal less with customer likely still need the moneys, but they wishing to make most money with least amount of customer and least amount of wear on the body. These are such girls who demand 100 for 30 minute, typically prefer more expensive anal customer to save their sore vagina, and have client list of lonely widower type man who just wish talk them several hours in room without any or much actual service. Such girl avoid regular clients who only give normal 100 for 60 min. Instead these girl seek the "extras" customer or overpaying tourist they can exploiting with 5 minute session. Agreeing with you that such girl seek less stress and more smoke break, but for them I believing money is still a main motivation for remain in FKK.[/QUOTE]My stance is most WGs hate their jobs. And that the WGs do indeed observe other WGs. They see that superstar WG making 1000 EUR, but spending a full 10-12 full hours interacting with customers (pre, post, and actual zimmer time). Then they see a sharky WG making 500 EUR but spending only about 2-3 hours interacting with customers and on "smoke break" the other 9-10 hours. Many WGs choose to model themselves after the sharky WG, even though it is glaringly obvious that the superstar WG makes more.

If the WG truly hates her job, then the second option is more preferable because it allows her to maintain her sanity. The superstar WG, although she makes more per 12 hour shift, may be looked upon as a "sucker". Romanians grew up in a corrupt system, so finding ways to outsmart the system and cut corners became a survival skill for them. They are sometimes ambivalent about dishonesty. If executed in a clever way, cheating, unscrupulous behavior, and pilfering is often looked upon with admiration. They even have a word for this: smecherie.

[URL]https://books.google.de/books?id=rXoFAQAAQBAJ&pg=PT54&lpg=PT54&dq=romanians%2Bcut%2Bcorners[/URL]

Pretending and "faking emotions" is mentally and emotionally draining. Have you guys never had a job you hated? Or worked for a boss that you wanted to punch in the face? You find ways to take longer breaks, avoid, disengage, and mentally recharge between each dreaded interaction. When you hate a large portion of your waking hours, being always "present" sucks your will to live. And you stay only at the job because you are comfortable and secure. Doing the bare minimum and mentally checking out is then the key to longevity and the key to avoiding burnout.

[URL]https://www.forbes.com/sites/markmurphy/2017/05/14/research-shows-that-if-you-have-to-fake-your-emotions-at-work-youre-probably-going-to-be-miserable[/URL]

[QUOTE=Pistons;2334172]Indeed, I have noticed the same too. The exception however is if they have kids. If that is the case, then they tend to think more long term in order to save up a lot more. Although most girls won't admit to having kids even if they do.[/QUOTE]I believe that superstar WGs exhibit two qualities in abundance: (1) mature for their age, and (2) patient beyond belief. Becoming a mother generally enhances both of those traits. Using my stubborn, 21 year old self as a point of reference, the immature ones often have more attitude and are more prone to mouth off and they already think they know everything. Being patient is useful when dealing with the crazy, annoying, and mentally unstable customers. Or dealing with customers that think they know it all and want to dispense advice to you. Impatient, immature WGs would roll their eyes to these customers' faces, whereas the mature, patient ones would do it after these customers paid them.

[QUOTE=Pksimar69;2334376]They don't get taxed on that amount, they get taxed on what they declare. You get my point!

Remember their money is without invoice, without receipt, even the entry in many clubs is without a POS machine, and no credit=debit cards accepted.[/QUOTE]Soon or later, authority may enforce cashless payment in brothels LOL.

I think prostitutes should be entitled to be tax exempted and tax free because actually what they do decrease crime rate, give energy to many men's lives, and take the gas out of stressful society for men and above all they sell dreams to men and make us feel complete as man in area of lust and desire. Prostitution as occupation is so underrated by society.