Bangkok Massage Parlors - Except TULIP and ANNIES!

[QUOTE=Danibbler;1948053]Thanks. I've been hobbying for almost two decades so I know the score.

I'll be back in BKK in March but really want to go back to Jakarta or, even better, try out Macau. I can easily pop (no pun intended) into HK but those Macau saunas sound really really sinful.

P.S. I've also had fun in the MPs of Kuala Lumpur. Boy, I get around.[/QUOTE]I have been to Macau and was "sexually" deceived. OK building and instalaltins were impressive but you go there to have a good fuck and frankly the girls are really not hot, a lot of (too) fake moaning, no CIM, etc. ALso had good times in KL.

[QUOTE=McRib;1947564]In a way this visit was the mulligan on my trip. I'd intended to visit Mango, but seeing no one to spark my interest out front, I turned and was ready to walk back to 24/1. A gal outside of Orient flagged me down, against my better judgment I stopped. She didn't interest, but a couple of young cuties sitting with her did. I knew I probably wouldn't be getting the level of service I wanted, and I went ahead anyway. Lesson learned.

Mint is a slim cutie in her mid-20's. No baby. Small breasts, but enough to hold on to. . . I didn't come here for the massage, anyway, I say. Spend the rest of the time cuddling on the bed. She takes out her phone and I expect it's going to be a solid block of I'm'ing or Insta-whatever from here. Instead she opens up a translator app and starts talking. Pretty damned endearing, and ironically the thing that somewhat salvaged the visit. [/QUOTE]Fantastic report McRib.

This is part of the experience, and one that does not get enough coverage here on ISG. Between the epic successes and the deathly starfish fails are these kinds of experiences that you report on. And to be honest, it's these kinds of things that really keep me coming back for more in Thailand. The humanity of these girls is so often brushed aside here on ISG, in favor of the hard-nosed numbers game ("give me intel", or "how much did you pay and what was her pussy like? ") I feel that is a great shame. So thanks for this reminder of the complexity and pleasures of the P4 P scene in LOS.

And let me second what Wh*oreman said: it's not naive of you at all to be touched by this experience. She opened up to you, in what seemed like an honest and genuine manner. She sounds like a sweet individual, and you had the privilege of spending a few moments with her. Enjoy that for what it was.

[QUOTE=*****man;1948066]Not really naive. A lot of them have stories that deserve a bit of sympathy, but sex work is work and she's probably earning 5 times what a top graduate in her mid-20's would earn, and if she's sensible with her money this could set her up for life. And I also like chatting and cuddling with the girls rather than trying to squeeze out one more 'pop'.

Being a new girl does she have one of those big hairy bushes or is she at least nicely trimmed? If so, I'll definitely check her out.[/QUOTE]No fur pie -- very neatly trimmed. Not shaved bald, either, which I personally find the least appealing (short of the full-on "Mediterranean" look, I guess).

[QUOTE=McRib;1947564]I turned and was ready to walk back to 24/1. A gal outside of Orient flagged me down, against my better judgment I stopped. She didn't interest, but a couple of young cuties sitting with her did. I knew I probably wouldn't be getting the level of service I wanted, and I went ahead anyway. Lesson learned.

Mint is a slim cutie in her mid-20's. No baby. Small breasts, but enough to hold on to. Pretty shy in the room. Very little English. We're in the tub and I reach for the kitty. No fingers, she says. Fair enough. She brings up the BJ - must be covered. Sigh. Tried once to change her mind, wasn't going to happen. A lady has boundaries and I respect them- only myself to blame for being in the situation. Remind myself I'm still going to get off with a cute gal. At the very least, she does kiss. CBJ is OK but obviously not life-changing. Let her go on for a while before requesting cowgirl. She's a nice snug fit, but I'm barely warm from the CBJ, so we go on for a while. Finally ask to switch to doggie so I can admire her from behind, and we finish a few minutes later. A second shot likely isn't on the menu, and I wasn't going to ask anyway.[/QUOTE]Nice report and thanks for sharing. This is the third or fourth report (including my own) of a oily girl demanding CBJ. This is just not fucking on. I mean, really, how the fuck are we supposed to get in the mood and hard to bag up in the first place? Will need to start specifying both "no baby" and "must do BBBJ" when selecting the girl to avoid this kind of substandard experience. No-this-and-no-that seems to be on the increase. I am not really demanding but these providers are simply getting away with providing poor product. Why tolerate this? Why be disappointed? I am going to reiterate what Goatscrot is also saying. Namely, we need to stand up and demand something more. The girls typically to a major junk inspection during the shower, so unless there is something obvious to object to, why is sucking cock any less tolerable than kissing?

On my recent visit to an oily shop, I had gone down on a girl and licked her to a wonderful orgasm. Then she expects me to bag up for my blow job? WTF? I just wasn't going to accept it. Given the trend, will have to make a "tick card" of expectations and confirm with the provider before going up to the room. I am not the most demanding punter, but the reports tend to show that we need to be clear what we want otherwise the girl will not live up to "oily expectation". Enjoy BKK, AsianRain.

[QUOTE=AsianRain;1948279]Nice report and thanks for sharing. This is the third or fourth report (including my own) of a oily girl demanding CBJ. This is just not fucking on. I mean, really, how the fuck are we supposed to get in the mood and hard to bag up in the first place? Will need to start specifying both "no baby" and "must do BBBJ" when selecting the girl to avoid this kind of substandard experience. No-this-and-no-that seems to be on the increase. I am not really demanding but these providers are simply getting away with providing poor product. Why tolerate this? Why be disappointed? I am going to reiterate what Goatscrot is also saying. Namely, we need to stand up and demand something more. The girls typically to a major junk inspection during the shower, so unless there is something obvious to object to, why is sucking cock any less tolerable than kissing?

On my recent visit to an oily shop, I had gone down on a girl and licked her to a wonderful orgasm. Then she expects me to bag up for my blow job? WTF? I just wasn't going to accept it. Given the trend, will have to make a "tick card" of expectations and confirm with the provider before going up to the room. I am not the most demanding punter, but the reports tend to show that we need to be clear what we want otherwise the girl will not live up to "oily expectation". Enjoy BKK, AsianRain.[/QUOTE]It seems in the non-PSE shops this is becoming very common and I agree, it is unacceptable. The combination of good looks and good performance is getting more and more elusive.

[QUOTE=Gannaton48;1948140]I have been to Macau and was "sexually" deceived. OK building and instalaltins were impressive but you go there to have a good fuck and frankly the girls are really not hot, a lot of (too) fake moaning, no CIM, etc. ALso had good times in KL.[/QUOTE]Really? Gee. Was really building up to that.

KL was hit and miss until I finally visited that MP in the same building as HSBC. So weird. What was almost as weird was being accosted by a pimp there who gave me his business card to give him a call anytime to set up a visit. LOL!

Not sure if I want to go back since the food wasn't as good as advertised and not much in the way of touristy things to do. Jakarta you can blame your prolonged absences on traffic which is probably going to be true in any case. Haha! Ok. Well, maybe Jakarta in lieu of Macau.

[QUOTE=Gannaton48;1948140]I have been to Macau and was "sexually" deceived. OK building and instalaltins were impressive but you go there to have a good fuck and frankly the girls are really not hot, a lot of (too) fake moaning, no CIM, etc. ALso had good times in KL.[/QUOTE]Um. Lots of my friends go to Macau and the pics I have seen show very hot gals. White skin Chinese lookers. Also they say that the gals are all pretty well trained and have well honed skill sets. I am also told that you know what you are going to get as far as what the gals do. No guess work there. So that is not your experience?

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1948291]It seems in the non-PSE shops this is becoming very common and I agree, it is unacceptable. The combination of good looks and good performance is getting more and more elusive.[/QUOTE]Performance has always been hit and miss in non-PSE oilies. My first experience in the Phrom Phong area was at Angel Massage years ago where the service was really poor. More recently I went to Addict and got a similarly poor performance. On both occasions I just chose on the basis of looks but the girl turned out to have an unpleasant personality which was really off-putting. So for me we now have 3 choices. First, go to the PSE places. Second, follow recommendations of other punters. Third, specify your requirements before taking the girl.

If the punter doesn't do one of those 3 things then I think he just has to accept CBJ. There are very valid reasons why a girl and an establishment may do this. Japanese punter predominate in these places and Japan is also the place where antibiotic-resistant gonorrhoea is spreading. They may lose a few punters from demanding BBBJ but they'd lose even more if stories like 'I caught gonorrhoea from Lek at Orient Massage' spread, particularly among Japanese punters. If you're not happy with a CBJ, take your business to somewhere you know you'll get a BBBJ.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1948364]Um. Lots of my friends go to Macau and the pics I have seen show very hot gals. White skin Chinese lookers. Also they say that the gals are all pretty well trained and have well honed skill sets. I am also told that you know what you are going to get as far as what the gals do. No guess work there. So that is not your experience?[/QUOTE]Look is one thing, performing is another. A s in common life, the best looking ones are usually not the best in bed!

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1948364]Um. Lots of my friends go to Macau and the pics I have seen show very hot gals. White skin Chinese lookers. Also they say that the gals are all pretty well trained and have well honed skill sets. I am also told that you know what you are going to get as far as what the gals do. No guess work there. So that is not your experience?[/QUOTE]Like Gannaton48 I have not had a great experience in Macau, been there once 10 months ago, tried East Spa. I don't found any stunning girls, looks it was not worth the price. Regular viet gals were more cute and sexy than a chinese "model". Sex performance was ok, with a great hot&cold BBBJ.

For me is better to have 1 HR with a 3 holers girl in PSE shop in BKK for 1900 baht rather than having 1 HR for 2000 and more HKD / MOP in Macau's Saunas. IMO.

[QUOTE=*****man;1948365]Performance has always been hit and miss in non-PSE oilies. My first experience in the Phrom Phong area was at Angel Massage years ago where the service was really poor. More recently I went to Addict and got a similarly poor performance. On both occasions I just chose on the basis of looks but the girl turned out to have an unpleasant personality which was really off-putting. So for me we now have 3 choices. First, go to the PSE places. Second, follow recommendations of other punters. Third, specify your requirements before taking the girl.

If the punter doesn't do one of those 3 things then I think he just has to accept CBJ. There are very valid reasons why a girl and an establishment may do this. Japanese punter predominate in these places and Japan is also the place where antibiotic-resistant gonorrhoea is spreading. They may lose a few punters from demanding BBBJ but they'd lose even more if stories like 'I caught gonorrhoea from Lek at Orient Massage' spread, particularly among Japanese punters. If you're not happy with a CBJ, take your business to somewhere you know you'll get a BBBJ.[/QUOTE]2 problems. First is the bad performance is girl dependent and not exactly owned by the shop, unless you expect the shop to have phantom customers (both difficult type and easy going customers) to test the girls regularly.

Next I am stunned by all this CBJ debate. I never had a CBJ for a long time. At least I can't remember last one. Some girl may have suggested it but I said no thanks, and took the BBBJ. Perhaps being circumsized helps me avoid CBJ, since no flap of skin to make it potentially unclean / smelly / etc. Circumsized is a big disadvantage though in terms of potentially reduced sensation.

I do believe CBJ is happening, but not to me. Perhaps I am very trustworthy and girls believe me if I promise not to blow in their mouth. With other guys, the girl knows damn well the guy wants to CIM badly, so she will not risk BBBJ. Just a theory. I would never do something nasty to the girl that is going to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] her off. I get a good reputation at places I regularly go to, except for being very slow to cum.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1948460] Perhaps being circumsized helps me avoid CBJ, since no flap of skin to make it potentially unclean / smelly / etc. [/QUOTE]That's the one debate you definitely don't want to start on any internet forum. You've basically just suggested that those of us with natural penises are 'unclean / smelly'. I guarantee, there's nothing unclean or smelly about my knob, especially after a girl cleaning it in the shower. And as circumcision isn't widely practised in Thailand, no Thai girl is going to think of you as unclean or smelly just because your knob is the way nature intended it to be.

The reason you're avoiding CBJ is probably because you're not drawn to the kind of girl who insists on it.

[QUOTE=McRib;1947564]
Mint is a slim cutie in her mid-20's. No baby. Small breasts, but enough to hold on to. Pretty shy in the room. Very little English. We're in the tub and I reach for the kitty. No fingers, she says.[/QUOTE]The draw of the new girl got to me so I tried out Mint. Her skin is much darker than on the website but otherwise the photo is accurate enough. She's fairly attractive but like you say small breasts. Also her bra had left deep lines in her skin so they looked a bit odd. The rest of her body is in good condition, fairly slim waist, long legs, firm arse. She came across as being a bit scatterbrained, giggling about stuff for no reason and claiming to be too ticklish to let me kiss her neck. She did start kissing my neck though so I asked her to lick my body and surprisingly she gave me a really long, sensual cat bath that just went on and on until I stopped her. The other good thing was when I was fucking her doggy style she liked it when I gently rubbed her arsehole and every time I pressed it gently her pussy tightened. It was like having a button to control pussy tightness. She did make new girl errors though like humping her back upwards instead of arching it downwards, which I managed to resolve eventually, and grabbing my helmet after I'd come, which hurt. She claimed to be skillful (geng) at massage but I didn't take her up on it. Overall, an alright session.

This was the first time I'd been to Orient so I'll say a few things about it. The system is a bit different with all the girls waiting outside and you have to either choose one or go upstairs and choose from the photos. The two receptionists they've got up there are a bit of an unintentional comedy act. Think of two girls working in 7-11, getting in each other's way and you'll know what I mean. When I arrived at about 5 there were only about 3 girls waiting outside but an hour later there were well over 10. One of the girls was young-looking with fair skin and big firm breasts, probably silicone. I'll definitely be back to check her out and some of the other girls looked nice too.

On Macau:

First, this discussion really belongs in the Macau forum, but since it has begun here I will add my perspective to it and compare my experiences in Macau Saunas with that in BKK soapies.

Everybody is entitled to their opinion. I have been visiting Macau at least once a year since first going there in 2009. Read some of my trip reports for more information. Obviously there is something I like there or I would not be making all these repeat visits. So over the years some of my most memorable shags occurred in Macau saunas. I still recall an amazing Chinese girl from Singapore that I had the pleasure of twice in Familia Nobre. She is on my all time top 10 list! I also recall another stunner Chinese girl I met in Rio Sauna who I enjoyed so much I did her twice in two back to back sessions in one night. Now that was crazy love! 555. In the 1st session she covered all the usual stuff: DFK, b2 b, cat licking, licking the souls of my feet, anal rim job, fire &ice, 69, and multiple position sex. In the 2nd session we skipped all that and just started making out on the bed like teenagers until I started kissing her all over and we ended up in another 69 with mutual anal rimming and more sex. Rio gave me a 20% off on the 2nd session. And there are too many more notable sauna sessions for me to go into here, but that I can still recall almost as if they occurred last week.

So I would say this about Macau:

1. If you are into Chinese girls this place is a must! They have the best current selection of Chinese girls anywhere.

2. Know all about the prices before buying your plane ticket. This is the most expensive place to monger in Asia and it is no place to be frugal. It is either all in I. E. I am going to have a great time fuck the cost or don't even consider coming here.

3. Do not visit on Friday or Saturday. There are too many Chinese mainland visitors. Hotel rates nearly double over the weekend and the saunas are very busy. I recommend arriving on Sunday and leaving on Friday. That will give you 5 nights and enough time to check out a few of the best saunas.

4. Do not go to the saunas until 8 pm. Macau is a late night place. The saunas are open 24/7, but the prime time line up is what you come to see. The #1 shift begins at 7 pm and ends at 3 am. The best showtimes (lineups) are the first one after 8 pm and then next one that begins approximately an hour later.

Macau saunas are similar to BKK Soapies but with a few differences. Going back over my experiences in both dating from 2009 the year I first started visiting Macau, I would say that overall I had more outstanding and memorable sessions in Macau saunas than I did in BKK high end soapies, but that stat varies year to year. For example, in 2016, my 2nd Lord girl outperformed my favorite Chinese girl in Darling 1 by just a wee little bit. I rated that Lord girl as my 5th best girl of the trip and my Macau Darling 1 girl my 6th best girl of 2016. Likewise, in 2015 a simply amazing girl in BKK's LA Belle soapie was my favorite or 2nd favorite girl of my spring 2015 trip. But in 2014, 2013, and 2012 my Macau sauna girls especially the Familia Nobre Singapore Chinese girl, my double shot Rio Chinese model, and a very sexy Indonesian girl beat out ALL of my BKK girls in those respective years and like I said about the Singapore girl and the Rio girl, they were my favorite girls in all of Asia for those years. Thus you can see why I like Macau.

My point is simply; if you are into Chinese girls and you are sure you won't choke on the price; then you really must check out Macau. You won't be sorry. BTW, prices keep going up in Macau and there is outside pressure from the mainland on the legal P4 P, so who knows what the scene will be like in 5 years. It might be all over in 5 years. So if you have the opportunity, go now while it is still good.

Finally, and this was in my last Macau trip report; I arrived in Macau late on a Sunday night after long delays in the Manila airport. After checking into my hotel I went directly to Rio Sauna. It was around 11:30 pm. The lineup had 4 "super models" along with all the other girls. What is a super model? I think it was BKKdog who was looking for a "car show model" girl in BKK a few months ago. You know, the kind of girls you see in bathing suits smiling in front of Ferrari's and Lamborghini's at car shows. These girls are professional models and would be actresses looking to supplement their incomes in between modeling jobs. Well Rio had 4 of them in the lineup that night. Two were Chinese girls and two were Korean girls. All 4 were solid 8's in my humble estimation and believe me guys, I am a tough grader. To clarify; IMHO there are no 10's in the real world and when some monger comes on the board and posts something like he saw a lot of 7's and 8's at CH or Twisters one night, I assume that to mean there were a lot of 6's and maybe a few 7's around, in other words, he saw some very cute, sexy. doable girls out and about. I know of no 8's in BKK Go Go's only a few very attractive superstar 7's.

Anyway I am just reporting on what is available and on the menu in Macau Saunas in comparison to BKK. Regular Chinese models go for 2,000 hk dollars ($258) up to 2,400 hk dollars ($309) depending on the suana. Rio and Sauna 18 being the most expensive places. Attractive girls of southern ethnic origins like Vietnamese and Thai girls are less expensive. Many cute southern Asian girls do not even make the sauna cut and work only in the pool. locker, or lounge area providing various auxiliary services like helping to change a customer's clothes, thigh massage or "Japanese" bath. So of course the price for the 4 Rio "super models" was out of sight, approximately 3,000 HK dollars ($387) for the Chinese Super models and 3,600 HK ($464) for the Korean Super Models and all 4 girls looked really, flip a coin as to which was the best looking or had the best body, great to me. I could see no real improvement in face or body of the Koreans over the Chinese girls. I guess it is merely a supply and demand situation where Korean girls fetch a higher price in today's market than Chinese girls and real Japanese girls garner the highest price, provided they are all lookers. So far in my sporting life, I have had 3 real Japanese girls, 6 Koreans, and 2 Manchurians. These Macau sauna prices compare to the Lord prices of R category: 4,800 bt ($136), O category: 5,400 bt, M category: 5,800 bt, K category: 6,400bt, and sideline model category: 7,000 bt ($197) to 10,000 bt ($284). Thus far I have taken only O category and K category girls. I keep looking over at the sideline girls from time to time, but thus far I haven't seen any girl there that I had to have, meaning a knockout worth the price.

Good hunting to you all.

[QUOTE=*****man;1948492]
This was the first time I'd been to Orient so I'll say a few things about it. The system is a bit different with all the girls waiting outside and you have to either choose one or go upstairs and choose from the photos. The two receptionists they've got up there are a bit of an unintentional comedy act. Think of two girls working in 7-11, getting in each other's way and you'll know what I mean. When I arrived at about 5 there were only about 3 girls waiting outside but an hour later there were well over 10. One of the girls was young-looking with fair skin and big firm breasts, probably silicone. I'll definitely be back to check her out and some of the other girls looked nice too.[/QUOTE]For some reason they did a line-up, up stairs, when I went one time (other time I already picked the girl outside and we just walked up together). I don't recall asking for the lineup that one time, because already had a girl in mind from down stairs. I can't recall exactly what prompted them to do the line up though. Maybe they were going to show me a photo book and I declined? I noticed there were some other girls in their back room area and the total amount more than doubled in the line up. I saw better options that time and I would see if the can do a line up. Addict does this, so they should be able to as well.

Also, anyone correct me if I'm wrong, I think the photobooks are a Japanese accommodation. So I think they are just optional accommodation. So I usually always avoid them as they have led to poor outcomes for me in the past.