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But It's the bars' management fault to let any of their girls rip off customers. That will hurt the bars' business for the girls' short-term profit.

I took another girl from Atlantis. She was willing to stay all night, but I got turned off with her droopy boobs and saggy body. She was offering to bring me more young girls etc. But I got disgusted. So I let her go after 1 fuck.

The good-looking girls will cut short and run out, and the ugly girls would not leave. Either ways you lose.

AC girls are rough and rude peasants. I had much better times in Manila. Will never come back to AC.

[QUOTE=Betong; 1564711]Just to give credit to a bar for the opposite experience, a couple weeks ago I took a girl from Bar Hoppin' who turned out to be having her period. To be fair, it was just starting and maybe she hadn't quite known, in that clueless way they have here. So I marched her right back to the bar where the mama-san immediately apologized and gave me my money back. I appreciated the fact that she didn't even try to sell me on another girl. So there are still plenty of honest bars who take care of their customers.

Of course the only problem is that there's hardly ever a doable girl in Bar Hoppin'. Golden Calypso it ain't.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=LukeSkywalker;1565747]AC girls are rough and rude peasants.[/QUOTE]This is what they turn into from being spoiled! You know who to thank for that!

- Angeles is a shithole, but I still like it. But not as much as before.

- Out of the bars I went to, I thought Atlantis was the best (in terms of beauty). That's if you like girls that are skinny and relatively cute. But they probably are not the best performers.

- Mamasans are now called Head Waitresses. It's because of the raids. They are scared now.

- Some bars still have barfines. Some bars you have to pay the girls at the hotel.

- Barfines are higher than previous years. More bars are now asking for 3000 pesos on Fields for the top level barfine. There are also 2000 and 2200 levels.

- Many girls now seems to be expecting additional tips.

- Many girls now don't even want to do 3 hours. They say they want to leave after "you finish". Those were the girls with class; they were honest.

- Had a bad experience at the bar below the Golden Pharaoh. It is owned by the same group that own the Golden Pharaoh and Golden Calypso. Those 3 bars are all together. I barfined 2 girls. Negotiated for 3 hours. They left after 40 minutes. Even though I knew I wouldn't get a partial refund, I went back to the bar and asked the Mamasan / Head Waitress for a partial refund. She said she will ask the manager. Of course she said the manager said no. I say fuck the group that owns the Golden Pharaoh and Golden Calypso. That being said, I do admit that I will return there eventually; I do like one girl that works there. But I will go less; overall, they lost money on that deal. You can't boycott every bar that will not treat you right.

[QUOTE=GreenBud;1567068]- - Had a bad experience at the bar below the Golden Pharaoh. It is owned by the same group that own the Golden Pharaoh and Golden Calypso. Those 3 bars are all together. I barfined 2 girls. Negotiated for 3 hours. They left after 40 minutes. Even though I knew I wouldn't get a partial refund, I went back to the bar and asked the Mamasan / Head Waitress for a partial refund. She said she will ask the manager. Of course she said the manager said no. I say fuck the group that owns the Golden Pharaoh and Golden Calypso. That being said, I do admit that I will return there eventually; I do like one girl that works there. But I will go less; overall, they lost money on that deal. You can't boycott every bar that will not treat you right.[/QUOTE]Did you pay upfront?

Ran into quite a few rude and nasty girls in Bangkok.

Next are bar girls in AC, then a few in LA Cafe.

Yep. The old geriatric guys who sit in a daze around the bars, with their watery eyes and drippy noses, spoil the girls with their pension money...hehe.

[QUOTE=Amjeck;1565761]This is what they turn into from being spoiled! You know who to thank for that![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=KeyMaster;1564257]You guys act like this is something new with this stuff. This will always happen in this type of environment. {S N I P} I think there is probably a lot of reasons these short time sessions happen but some could be the guy, but most probably because of the woman.[/QUOTE]I enjoyed your post.

I have never mongered in AC, although I have lived in Asia for much of the last 30 years (and I have driven past many times going to a holiday house in Zambales). I am mainly a freebie fan, although I P4P at times.

What you write could be applicable to many places in Asia. Intuition, as you say, is very important. It is what I rely on to decide if I am going to invest further time, effort and money in a SYT. A friendly and confident approach, seeing if you click, and using intuition and common sense, definitely significantly increases one's probability of a successful and satisfying encounter.

It is my understanding that the bar plays no part in whether the girl stay for LT or ST only. And if the girl says that you penetrated her, even if for just a few seconds, then no refund is the standard procedure (and of course most bars will not admit to being in the P4 P loop in these trying times).

If punters understood all these points before going to AC, then maybe some would have a more enjoyable time. Of course there are others who will rarely have a good time.

Congratulations on a thoughtful and insightful post.

Cheers.

[QUOTE=LukeSkywalker;1567307]Ran into quite a few rude and nasty girls in Bangkok.

Next are bar girls in AC, then a few in LA Cafe.

Yep. The old geriatric guys who sit in a daze around the bars, with their watery eyes and drippy noses, spoil the girls with their pension money...hehe.[/QUOTE]It is becoming more and more hit and miss in AC. Gone are the days girls were friendly and will stay till morning.

Occassional gems can be found. I love DIA girls who are better.

[QUOTE=Sammon;1567428]It is becoming more and more hit and miss in AC. Gone are the days girls were friendly and will stay till morning.[/QUOTE]Hold that sky is fallling theory. I've never had an AC girl try bullshit on me. The difference could possibly well be your age. In the old days (when your were younger) girls would stay all night etc etc. Now you are older and experiencing that things are not how they used to be, while still there are others reporting 100% satisfaction rate. So it possibly may well be the man in the mirror. As has always been said about this P4P thing, YMMV. And now that your car is an older model maybe the hot chicks just aren't as willing to jump into it with you as they were when it was spanking brand new. People think it's all about the money, yet there are some who are getting freebies and cheapies while others literally can't pay a chick to stay with them or do what she is supposed to.

[QUOTE=FruitNinja;1567217]Did you pay upfront?[/QUOTE]Yes, the bar below the Golden Pharaoh requires the barfine to be paid upfront.

The sky is not falling. But statistically, more girls do not want to stay longtime and do not want to do the things they promised.

Girls here and other places (such as Cambodia) are not as desperate as before. It seems they have more options.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1567445]Hold that sky is fallling theory. I've never had an AC girl try bullshit on me. The difference could possibly well be your age. In the old days (when your were younger) girls would stay all night etc etc. Now you are older and experiencing that things are not how they used to be, while still there are others reporting 100% satisfaction rate. So it possibly may well be the man in the mirror. As has always been said about this P4P thing, YMMV. And now that your car is an older model maybe the hot chicks just aren't as willing to jump into it with you as they were when it was spanking brand new. People think it's all about the money, yet there are some who are getting freebies and cheapies while others literally can't pay a chick to stay with them or do what she is supposed to.[/QUOTE]In my "experience" and in my "words" most AC girls are non-pros and just off the farm. Most are there for a short period of time to earn what ever amount they need. The attitude that "I paid for it and should get what I want" does not go very far with most girls. On a previous trip, I eyed a newly arrived girl there and be'fined her. I gave her the 2 k and she went to change clothes. 5 minutes later she came back and handed me back the 2 K and said I was her first BF and that she was too scared to go! I thought maybe my old looks might have scared her off. LOL I really respected her honesty and came back the next day and we talked a bit and told her that she did not have to do anything with me that she didn't like to do. So off we went that night. Turns out her financial goal was to make 4-5 k and then go home. She had only been there a few days and hated it. I told her she could fulfill her goal with me in a few days. Needless to say I / we had a great few days and she was on her way home. On the last day as she was going out the door she throws to me her bar I'd / license and says it is all mine bc she won't be needing it any more!

Mama san wasn't too happy that her girl was awol and that she was out the licensing fee of P1200. Apparently the Mama san advances the fee for most new girls until they are able to pay it back. To maintain good graces and to be fair about it with the Mama San I paid her the licensing fee. One of my better investments. Mama San takes real good care of me now.

For me it boils down to how you treat people.

You are right that bar girls in the Phil are mostly hardened hos. You can see the looks of hostility and disgust in their eyes. They look and act more like beasts than humans. Occasionally you will find a rare girl, new to the game, who won't act like beast.

In that sense, new girls, semi pros, DIA or Craigslist girls would be better than the ugly, angry and hardened bar hos who act like hungry beasts and treat the bros like trash.

I will try DIA and Craigslist for fresh meat...hehe.

[QUOTE=Sammon;1567428]It is becoming more and more hit and miss in AC. Gone are the days girls were friendly and will stay till morning.

Occassional gems can be found. I love DIA girls who are better.[/QUOTE]

I just visited AC, Subic and Manila and all I can say is there are still plenty really nice girls available. I am not young, but the girls all say I am a handsome man, LOL, so who am I to disagree, but seriously, I never had one bad experience this trip, quite the opposite. I had many great experiences. All my girls aimed to please me, all were good in bed, a few were unbelievable in bed, and all stayed the night or as long as I wanted them to.

What's the secret to my success? Not much. All I do is I act like an experienced punter who likes women. Actually I love women. I always treat my girls nice and act as if we are on a date, a p4p date to be sure and where I am ultimately in charge, but still a date. I buy them drinks in the bar. That is a key part of the interview / audition process. I never take a girl that does not appear to want me or who has not been "friendly" if you know what I mean. After I barfine them, I continue to make the girls feel comfortable and at ease. AND LASTLY, I know how to pleasure a girl and make her feel good.

So when I read that others are not having the same experiences as I in the PI with bar girls, I begin to wonder where exactly the problem is.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1567445]Hold that sky is fallling theory. I've never had an AC girl try bullshit on me. The difference could possibly well be your age. In the old days (when your were younger) girls would stay all night etc etc. Now you are older and experiencing that things are not how they used to be, while still there are others reporting 100% satisfaction rate. So it possibly may well be the man in the mirror. As has always been said about this P4P thing, YMMV. And now that your car is an older model maybe the hot chicks just aren't as willing to jump into it with you as they were when it was spanking brand new. People think it's all about the money, yet there are some who are getting freebies and cheapies while others literally can't pay a chick to stay with them or do what she is supposed to.[/QUOTE]Well, It is not the age thing in Phi. 18 years old girls proudly walk with older men everywhere.

It is just that girls, mamasans, bar owners have become smarter. They tell the fresh girls everything. How to make money with least bit of damage. It is partly us mongers fault. We accept it.

In AC it is all about money. Spotlight girls demand 3000 BF and they are no better looking than other 1500 BF girls.

Only through dating sites you can get good looking girls who are much friendlier and better GFE service.

I just returned from a month in Angeles. My experience this time was the best of all my trips so far.(YMMV).

I had no problem with runners. Of course I stayed away from the big bars. My best and most frequent performer I met on FaceBook a year ago.

The talent in the blow row bars was fair and I ended up bar fining 2 for multiple LTs.

The Dr. Tomorrow will decide when I will be able to go back again. I really didn't want to leave this time!

At Hi Jack.

That sounds good to me.

In another forum I read that the most blow row bars are closed. Is that true?

Q: when you had a girl from blow row for a Lt, got her cellphone no. – can you call her for Lt? Or have you always go there and pick her up at the bar?

How is the barfine procedure there now? Pay the lady afterwards?

What is the current price for LT?

I will start my cherry trip to AC in one week.