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[QUOTE=Paulie97;2508364]Too bad for you there's a pandemic going on and mail in votes count also. As it stands now Joe is up just under 7 million votes. Cry me a river Shoo Swede.

Trump cultists, though substantial in numbers are still very much a minority. They are welcome to continue to squawk, lie, and try to derail democracy, as long as they stay on the right side of the law. If any cross the line the system will deal with them.

We are going to rejoin our allies in matters of Iran policy. Regarding Isis, the greatest gains against them were made under Obama / Biden.

[URL]http://historynewsnetwork.org/article/177978[/URL]

That's though Isis is seeing a comeback, especially in Africa and under Dump's watch.

[URL]https://www.csmonitor.com/World/Middle-East/2020/0728/Under-cover-of-COVID-ISIS-is-seeking-a-comeback[/URL][/QUOTE]Do you have Alzheimer's? That would explain why you sound like a broken record with your "shoo swede" nonsense.

What does it even mean? Is it supposed to be funny? Am I supposed to feel insulted? You sound ridiculous. Maybe that's what happens when a old fart is isolated in his basement for too long.

ISIS grew strong under the Obama administration. I can only imagine what CNN and MSNBC would sound like if that happened during Trump's presidency.

Isn't Israel an ally of USA? Why did Obama give billions of dollars to a regime that tortures American & European citizens?

Iran used the billions Obama gave them to buy weapons which enabled them to pay off spies in USA & Europe and commit terror attacks against Saudi Arabia, Israel and Lebanon.

Iran is the host and protector of many top Al-Qaida leaders.

Iran is basically the Shia version of ISIS.

You're the true NPC, whatever CNN says you believe and repeat.

[URL]https://www.google.se/amp/s/www.businessinsider.com/iran-western-hostages-leverage-future-deals-2020-11%3Famp[/URL]

USA should pick their friends a lot better, Biden is guilty of enabling the Iranian regime and their terror plots.

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2508563]Do you have Alzheimer's? That would explain why you sound like a broken record with your "shoo swede" nonsense. [/QUOTE]Well that's what you are, a "Shoo Swede," basement dwelling twerp in Sweden constantly pretending to be an American here, and were caught doing so. That was the funny part, thus the nickname. And if someone with Alzheimer's has continually owned you, both in presidential politics with your failed election predictions and other lies trying to defend Trump, plus the failed policies of your country regarding Covid and related issues, what does that say about you? I'm 54. My 80 year old neighbor thinks I'm young. 20 somethings think I'm old. None of it make any difference to me. What matters is how well someone can establish their claims. You fall quite short in that regard, but I tend to think the issue is IQ deficiency as opposed to disease.

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2508563]ISIS grew strong under the Obama administration.[/QUOTE]Troop withdrawal agreements were set under the Bush administration, plus it's highly debateable how much this factored into the founding of Isis. Trump himself supported these withdrawals in 2007, as did the vast majority of Americans in 2011. Have a read. Expand your horizons beyond a quickie talking point.

[URL]https://www.factcheck.org/2016/08/trumps-false-obama-isis-link/[/URL]

Again, Obama did far more to diminish Isis than Trump. Check the maps. Don't agree with the evidence? Then provide some of your own. Guys like you and Canada that only recite talking points aren't worth my time.

[URL]http://historynewsnetwork.org/article/177978[/URL]

Isis is also making a comeback. Link was provided.

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2508563]Isn't Israel an ally of USA? Why did Obama give billions of dollars to a regime that tortures American & European citizens? [/QUOTE]This is a long debunked Trump talking point. And irrespective of the seized Iranian money that was returned by an alliance of countries after the lifting of sanctions, they have plenty to sponsor terrorism if they wish to do so.

[URL]https://www.factcheck.org/2019/03/obama-didnt-give-iran-150-billion-in-cash/[/URL]

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2508563]Iran used the billions Obama gave them to buy weapons which enabled them to pay off spies in USA & Europe and commit terror attacks against Saudi Arabia, Israel and Lebanon. [/QUOTE]See above.

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2508563][URL]https://www.google.se/amp/s/www.businessinsider.com/iran-western-hostages-leverage-future-deals-2020-11%3Famp[/URL] [/QUOTE]This source confirms nothing other than that relations with Iran have never been worse, with two recent assassinations and their nuclear goals proceeding forward. That's all on Trump's watch. Same can be said for the old Palestinian question, wholly unresolved. There is a lot of work to do, but we will get to work shortly. But hey, you rattle off a bunch of claims, and the only source you provide hurts your case. Real swift. LOL.

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2508563]USA should pick their friends a lot better, Biden is guilty of enabling the Iranian regime and their terror plots.[/QUOTE]A huge YAWN. More posturing from a Swedish basement, but again, saying it's so never makes it so. Remember that going forward.

Seems you've dropped the idea that Trump's going to remain president. That's progress. Wink But hey, speaking of lost lives, we are approaching 300 K here in the US with Covid, much of which is thanks to Trump's failed policies, arrogance, super spreader events, and general rejection of science. Your sanctimonious tone, especially coming from a Trump suck up Swede with the 6000+ unnecessary Covid deaths in your country rings hollow.

P.S. The strongest points in debate typically aren't the ones that are addressed, but the ones that are ignored. Now watch all the points that Shoe Swede ignores. Wink That's his MO, picks the one or two points he feels he has the best chance of contorting. LOL.

[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2508543]He's been that way (flailing pointlessly at air) since his first days in office. He had incompetents write much his first executive orders that were incoherent / ineffectual and had be rewritten (like a paper that got a failing grade).

For four years it has been the stupid in charge, who succeeded only in lowering corporate taxes.[/QUOTE]He had some good men at times, especially at the start, but they didn't last. Autocrats can only tolerate yes men, and such are usually the least qualified. The sheer volume of dismissals and resignations is staggering.

[URL]https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-39826934[/URL]

[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2507733]Hahahahahahahahaha.

"Beloved" presidents don't lose by 7 million legal and recounted votes. Hahahahahaha.

Although four years ago a good lady lost by the same 74 electoral votes.[/QUOTE]A good lady? You're even dumber than I thought! Hillary Clinton was an awful secretary of state and an even worse wife apparently. She should be wearing an orange jump suit along with the Bidens.

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2508616]Well that's what you are, a "Shoo Swede," basement dwelling twerp in Sweden constantly pretending to be an American here, and were caught doing so. That was the funny part, thus the nickname. And if someone with Alzheimer's has continually owned you, both in presidential politics with your failed election predictions and other lies trying to defend Trump, plus the failed policies of your country regarding Covid and related issues, what does that say about you? I'm 54. My 80 year old neighbor thinks I'm young. 20 somethings think I'm old. None of it make any difference to me. What matters is how well someone can establish their claims. You fall quite short in that regard, but I tend to think the issue is IQ deficiency as opposed to disease.

Troop withdrawal agreements were set under the Bush administration, plus it's highly debateable how much this factored into the founding of Isis. Trump himself supported these withdrawals in 2007, as did the vast majority of Americans in 2011. Have a read. Expand your horizons beyond a quickie talking point.

[URL]https://www.factcheck.org/2016/08/trumps-false-obama-isis-link/[/URL]

Again, Obama did far more to diminish Isis than Trump. Check the maps. Don't agree with the evidence? Then provide some of your own. Guys like you and Canada that only recite talking points aren't worth my time.

[URL]http://historynewsnetwork.org/article/177978[/URL]

Isis is also making a comeback. Link was provided.

This is a long debunked Trump talking point. And irrespective of the seized Iranian money that was returned by an alliance of countries after the lifting of sanctions, they have plenty to sponsor terrorism if they wish to do so.

[URL]https://www.factcheck.org/2019/03/obama-didnt-give-iran-150-billion-in-cash/[/URL]

See above.

This source confirms nothing other than that relations with Iran have never been worse, with two recent assassinations and their nuclear goals proceeding forward. That's all on Trump's watch. Same can be said for the old Palestinian question, wholly unresolved. There is a lot of work to do, but we will get to work shortly. But hey, you rattle off a bunch of claims, and the only source you provide hurts your case. Real swift. LOL.

A huge YAWN. More posturing from a Swedish basement, but again, saying it's so never makes it so. Remember that going forward..[/QUOTE]Only 54 years old and you already sound like a demented old loner.

It's funny how you're the one guilty of the very things you accuse me of. I'm still waiting for an explanation in regards to your demented nagging of "shoo swede".

I'm just happy that my country is doing so much better than the blue states in USA. Your precious libtard governors and mayors really screwed things up. In Sweden we have less deaths per capita without any lockdowns.

Obama gave billions of dollars to the Iranian regime, it's a fact. Billions of dollars that didn't belong to them, the money belonged to the Iranian people. The Iranian regime does not represent the Iranian people, they persecute and execute innocent Iranians.

Have you even been to the Middle East? You are so clueless and arrogant.

It's pathetic to see your excuses and how you put party before facts. Just look at the facts, ISIS is weaker today than when Obama left the White House and ISIS sure as hell was a lot stronger under the Obama administration than when Bush left the White House. Accept the reality.

Obama sponsored Iran's state terrorism and it looks like Biden will continue doing so. If you'd any real knowledge, instead of just repeating CNN's talking points, you'd know that the Middle East is subjected to great terror when countries like USA turns an blind eye to Iran's terrorism.

Under Obama the White House became a nest for pro-regime lobbyist. It was disgusting, and the main reason why Trump gained many votes from the Iranian diaspora. Pretty much the same thing as he did with Cuba. He put America's enemies over the American people. Obama also sabotaged the relationship with Israel in his eagerness to suck up to the Iranian regime.

Obama was almost as naive and pathetic as Neville Chamberlain was to Hitler. He was unfit to be president and he truly didn't understand the mentality of the Middle East. Trump does. Iran used Obama's weakness and expanded their imperialistic ambitions. You do not understand this because you're an ugly American out of touch with the world outside the US. You want to be friends with a regime that regularly kidnaps Americans & Europeans to trade them against sentenced terrorists. Iran is a terror state. Why do you want to be friends with a terror state that tortures Europeans and Americans?

Iran continued with their plans to develop nuclear weapons under Obama. If you had any true knowledge you would know that Iran is a threat to world even without nuclear weapons. They already did a lot of harm and it got a lot worse because of Obama and his appeasing strategy. Trump took the fight against Iran just as Churchill took the fight against Hitler.

Trump took out two of the most highly profiled Iranians and one high up leader of Al-Qaida that Iran protected. Thanks to Trump we now see peace between Israel and the UAE as well as with Bahrain.

I've been right about COVID-19, the lockdowns didn't eradicate the virus and the number of deaths stayed relatively low. It mostly took out those already on their way to check out. It's fun to see how hysteric you're over the inevitable. Especially considering how you ignore the responsibilities of regular people and the politicians in charge of the blue states. You ignore facts to take cheap shots at President Trump. You truly are a demagogue. You lie all the time.

How does it feel that there are over 74 million "Trump cultists" in USA? How does it feel that the "Trump cultists" still controls the senate?

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2508779]Trump took out two of the most highly profiled Iranians and one high up leader of Al-Qaida that Iran protected. Thanks to Trump we now see peace between Israel and the UAE as well as with Bahrain.[/QUOTE]Not surprising that Trump and his sychophants, trying always to brag about fake successes to "Trump-up" his crappy performance as President.

President Obama's new book has devoted quite a bit of space to tell about the real event of taking down highly protected Osama Bin Laden. That was a real accomplishment!

Obama gave billions of dollars to the Iranian regime, it's a fact. Billions of dollars that didn't belong to them, the money belonged to the Iranian people. The Iranian regime does not represent the Iranian people, they persecute and execute innocent Iranians. No he returned illegally confiscated money to the Iranian Government. They do have elections there maybe not free but no worse than the elections in Russia where Trump considers Putin a God!

Have you even been to the Middle East? You are so clueless and arrogant. I have, worked in Saudi, visited Dubai regularly, been to Turkey.

It's pathetic to see your excuses and how you put party before facts. Just look at the facts, ISIS is weaker today than when Obama left the White House and ISIS sure as hell was a lot stronger under the Obama administration than when Bush left the White House. Accept the reality. ISIS and Al Qaeda are Sunni organisations funded by Saudi Arabia and the other Sunni gulf states. Iran, Hezbollah, Turkey and Shia Iraq defeated Isis.

Obama sponsored Iran's state terrorism and it looks like Biden will continue doing so. If you'd any real knowledge, instead of just repeating CNN's talking points, you'd know that the Middle East is subjected to great terror when countries like USA turns an blind eye to Iran's terrorism. Give an example of Iranian State Terrorism? Apart from support of the organisations fighting the Fascist Israeli regime they have had no particular involvement in conflicts.

Under Obama the White House became a nest for pro-regime lobbyist. It was disgusting, and the main reason why Trump gained many votes from the Iranian diaspora. Pretty much the same thing as he did with Cuba. He put America's enemies over the American people. Obama also sabotaged the relationship with Israel in his eagerness to suck up to the Iranian regime. Another opinion with no basis in fact. The Iranian regime actively supported the US against Al Qaeda and there was a great opportunity for improved relations with Iran until Bush came out with his Axis of evil comment. I haven't seen any evidence of Trumps policyies working.

Obama was almost as naive and pathetic as Neville Chamberlain was to Hitler. He was unfit to be president and he truly didn't understand the mentality of the Middle East. Trump does. Iran used Obama's weakness and expanded their imperialistic ambitions. You do not understand this because you're an ugly American out of touch with the world outside the US. You want to be friends with a regime that regularly kidnaps Americans & Europeans to trade them against sentenced terrorists. Iran is a terror state. Why do you want to be friends with a terror state that tortures Europeans and Americans? Anti Israel and anti Saudi does not make them terrorists. I personally think arm them all to the teeth and let them have at it. The sooner the world goes to electric vehicles and noone needs to buy middle east oil the better. They can all go back to fucking camels.

Iran continued with their plans to develop nuclear weapons under Obama. If you had any true knowledge you would know that Iran is a threat to world even without nuclear weapons. They already did a lot of harm and it got a lot worse because of Obama and his appeasing strategy. Trump took the fight against Iran just as Churchill took the fight against Hitler. Who cares? Maybe you haven't noticed but the world is in the grip of a pandemic. It is far cheaper to develop bioagents than nuclear weapons! Think about it.

Trump took out two of the most highly profiled Iranians and one high up leader of Al-Qaida that Iran protected. Thanks to Trump we now see peace between Israel and the UAE as well as with Bahrain. There will be no peace until Israel is reigned in. In the Balkans war they were settling scores centuries old. In the middle east the scores go back millennia. You are naive to think Trump has fixed anything.

I've been right about COVID-19, the lockdowns didn't eradicate the virus and the number of deaths stayed relatively low. It mostly took out those already on their way to check out. It's fun to see how hysteric you're over the inevitable. Especially considering how you ignore the responsibilities of regular people and the politicians in charge of the blue states. You ignore facts to take cheap shots at President Trump. You truly are a demagogue. You lie all the time. The Us is now getting over 200,000 new infections a day and over 2000 deaths. Now Red states are introducing lockdowns and restrictions because their hospitals can no longer cope.

How does it feel that there are over 74 million "Trump cultists" in USA? How does it feel that the "Trump cultists" still controls the senate? It is time to split the country up. An east coast blue country in the north east and a west coast blue country. The Red states will love it until there is noone subsidising the farmers and noone buying oil. By noone I mean the Blue states that are the wealth generators.

[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2508938]Not surprising that Trump and his sychophants, trying always to brag about fake successes to "Trump-up" his crappy performance as President.

President Obama's new book has devoted quite a bit of space to tell about the real event of taking down highly protected Osama Bin Laden. That was a real accomplishment![/QUOTE]They have just suffered a bruising defeat as their talking points flopped. Expect some extra kicking, screaming, and crying for a while, while Dump orders Jack Kemp to override the voters in GA. But what is coming up is essentially yes to a third Obama term, and hell no to the brief Trump experiment, with a 7 million vote spread and very comfortable win in the electoral college. The market is also very happy about all of this, Dow well over 30 K, as it looks forward to stability and freedom from the whims of a pathological liar / crook / egomaniac. What a disaster, and we are having to drag the petulant child out kicking and screaming, literally.

P.S. Interesting how Trump never used the "Obama / Biden gave $ to Iran to fund terrorists" nonsense in the debates or in any attack ads, at least not here in swing state Florida. Such is only fit for butthurt Trumpists in monger forums. Wink.

[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2508938]Not surprising that Trump and his sychophants, trying always to brag about fake successes to "Trump-up" his crappy performance as President.

President Obama's new book has devoted quite a bit of space to tell about the real event of taking down highly protected Osama Bin Laden. That was a real accomplishment!.[/QUOTE]Speaking of Obama's accomplishments against terrorism, I'm going to add an excerpt from an article that of course has only been ignored here. The author is an academic scholar and former worker in CIA counter-terrorism as well as in US Army Information Operations. The link to the complete article is below, and it contains maps that are US Pentagon source materials. In spite of lies from Trump and Pence, none of which is surprising, Obama's military accomplishments in the matter of ISIS were decidedly more substantial.

"The 'light footprint' war against ISIS known as Operation Inherent Resolve was launched by Obama in 2014 and was criticized by Republicans because the president chose an unconventional proxy approach to war. This approach leveraged local Kurdish fighters and Iraqi soldiers to fight to achieve America's goals instead of a 2003-11 Iraq War "Shock and Awe" style conventional "big war" with US troops in the vanguard doing the fighting and dying. Despite widespread criticism from Republicans, Obama's unconventional proxy approach worked and, according to Pentagon, State Department, think tanks, Anti-ISIS Coalition and other sources, the campaign achieved tremendous success on all fronts by the time Trump took office in January 2017.

The US envoy to the anti-ISIS Coalition Brett McGurk, for example, stated a month before Trump took office, 'in early 2016 . . . About 50 percent of the Islamic State territory had been cleared. ' The Global Anti-ISIS Coalition similarly reported 'by November 2016 (two months before Trump took office) Islamic State had lost 62 per cent of its mid-2014 'peak' territory in Iraq, and 30 per cent in Syria. ' In addition, the widely respected British think tank IHS Markit reported that by the final months of Obama's presidency, ISIS territory in Iraq had shrunk from 40 percent of the country to just 10 percent. Pentagon and State Department maps of the war on ISIS from this period further demonstrate that in the two and half years the war was fought under Obama the Islamic State lost its only international border to the world (its strategic resupply border with Turkey) and vast swathes of territory. They clearly show that approximately half of the Islamic State's territory had been liberated by the time Obama left office. See State Department and Pentagon maps from late 2016 below:

[URL]http://historynewsnetwork.org/article/177978[/URL]

[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2508938]Not surprising that Trump and his sychophants, trying always to brag about fake successes to "Trump-up" his crappy performance as President.

President Obama's new book has devoted quite a bit of space to tell about the real event of taking down highly protected Osama Bin Laden. That was a real accomplishment![/QUOTE]Trump received 11 million more votes than in the 2016 election so obviously he did something right.

You put party over country and facts. It's disturbing to witness.

[QUOTE=GDreams;2508943]Obama gave billions of dollars to the Iranian regime, it's a fact. Billions of dollars that didn't belong to them, the money belonged to the Iranian people. The Iranian regime does not represent the Iranian people, they persecute and execute innocent Iranians. No he returned illegally confiscated money to the Iranian Government. They do have elections there maybe not free but no worse than the elections in Russia where Trump considers Putin a God!.[/QUOTE]Iran is one of the three worst dictatorships in the world, they make Russia look like a liberal democracy. You've shown your contempt for democracy and human lives by diminishing the daily atrocities ordered and committed by the Iranian regime.

It's funny that you claimed that the money was "illegally confiscated" considering how the Iranian regime daily violates the human rights of Iranians and people all over the Middle East. My Shia Iraqi friends don't like USA, but they absolutely hate Iran and how they are fueling terrorism, violence and division in their country. My Lebanese friends (Christians, Shias, Sunnis and Sushis) don't like USA, but they hate Iran for their support of terrorism (Hezbollah) in their country. They basically turned Lebanon into a battleground. Iran is very much involved in the civil war in Yemen in an attempt to weaken Saudi Arabia and create a new basis for terror attacks against them.

Israel is the only democracy and bright star of the Middle East.

Trump did great things for the Middle East and would have made even greater progress if he'the been given four more years. He took out two key figures for the Iranians and deepened the relationship with Israel and the Arab states.

In short, Iran kidnaps & tortures US & EU citizens, persecution & execution of their own citizens, guilty of terrorism and aiding of high up Al-Al-Qaida leaders. The biggest threat to democracy and peace in the Middle East is Iran.

[URL]https://www.unitedagainstnucleariran.com/al-qaeda-iran[/URL]

[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2508938]Not surprising that Trump and his sychophants, trying always to brag about fake successes to "Trump-up" his crappy performance as President.

President Obama's new book has devoted quite a bit of space to tell about the real event of taking down highly protected Osama Bin Laden. That was a real accomplishment![/QUOTE]Obama is probably the worst foreign policy President USA ever had, and it's not like Bush wasn't terrible. Bin Laden's death had nothing to do with Obama. When you act like that's an accomplishment of Obama you only make me laugh at you.

Obama destroyed the relationship with Israel while he let Americas enemies like Iran and Cuba walk all over him. I've been disappointed that Trump didn't do a better job with curbing Erdogan, but let's have a read on the relationship between Obama and Erdogan:

"Barack Obama, for example, described the Turkish leader as one of his most trusted friends and even said he took advice from the Turkish leader on how to raise daughters — never mind that, under Erdogan, the murder rate of women has grown 1,400% and Erdogan declared that a woman's duty was to raise children, and nothing more."

[URL]https://www.aei.org/op-eds/turkeys-influence-operation-on-the-biden-campaign-is-just-getting-started/[/URL]

You should open your eyes and realize how terrible Obama was when it came to foreign policy.

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2509026]Speaking of Obama's accomplishments against terrorism, I'm going to add an excerpt from an article that of course has only been ignored here. The author is an academic scholar and former worker in CIA counter-terrorism as well as in US Army Information Operations. The link to the complete article is below, and it contains maps that are US Pentagon source materials. In spite of lies from Trump and Pence, none of which is surprising, Obama's military accomplishments in the matter of ISIS were decidedly more substantial.

"The 'light footprint' war against ISIS known as Operation Inherent Resolve was launched by Obama in 2014 and was criticized by Republicans because the president chose an unconventional proxy approach to war. This approach leveraged local Kurdish fighters and Iraqi soldiers to fight to achieve America's goals instead of a 2003-11 Iraq War "Shock and Awe" style conventional "big war" with US troops in the vanguard doing the fighting and dying. Despite widespread criticism from Republicans, Obama's unconventional proxy approach worked and, according to Pentagon, State Department, think tanks, Anti-ISIS Coalition and other sources, the campaign achieved tremendous success on all fronts by the time Trump took office in January 2017.[/QUOTE]So you're saying that Obama let ISIS grow strong and make their biggest land winnings under his presidency? It wasn't until Trump came into office that ISIS was reduced to shatters.

One question, why did Obama let ISIS grow so strong? What's the point of having the world's strongest and most expensive military if you let ISIS make such large land winnings?

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2509060]Trump received 11 million more votes than in the 2016 election so obviously he did something right.

You put party over country and facts. It's disturbing to witness.[/QUOTE]Never in the United States has a presidential incumbent had more votes casts against his re-election than Trump.

No incumbant has ever gotten as much ballot rejection than Donald Fuck-up Trump.

The last incumbent to run was Barack Obama. He got about 66 million votes. Romney got around 61 million and roughly 2 million votes went to minor party candidates.

63 million voters did not want a repeat of Barack Obama. When counting all the votes against Trump, it looks like it will be 35 or 40% greater!

Donald Trump was not beloved. He's been spit out of office by around 84 million votes and still counting! That's over 20 million more thumbs down votes than anyone else that held that office.

[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2509144]Never in the United States has a presidential incumbent had more votes casts against his re-election than Trump.

No incumbant has ever gotten as much ballot rejection than Donald Fuck-up Trump.

The last incumbent to run was Barack Obama. He got about 66 million votes. Romney got around 61 million and roughly 2 million votes went to minor party candidates.

63 million voters did not want a repeat of Barack Obama. When counting all the votes against Trump, it looks like it will be 35 or 40% greater!

Donald Trump was not beloved. He's been spit out of office by around 84 million votes and still counting! That's over 20 million more thumbs down votes than anyone else that held that office.[/QUOTE]A recent Gallup poll gives Biden a 55% favorable rating, Trump 42%. Trump wasn't able to turn it into a lessor of two evils contest like he did against Hillary.

[URL]https://news.gallup.com/poll/326885/biden-favorability-rises-trump-dips.aspx[/URL]

And Gallup, BTW, is considered of the least biased, most reliable polls.

[URL]https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/gallup/[/URL]

And of the hardcore Trump cultists, these are only being sustained by lies / fake news sources. Hopefully some will begin waking up along the way.