Stupid shit in Medellin

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2578795]No, not you. I am saying in general. Jj got sick with the vaccine by going to Bogota and Medellin. I have been all over Colombia, all over Brazil, all over Dominican Republic, all over Thailand, all over the USA and other places. I haven't gotten shit. So as Elvis was saying, if Jj is the poster child for antivaxxers, then I am on that same poster right along with him, but for the opposite reason. Not that I am wishing to get shit or trying to get shit, but you have to figure if anybody would have gotten shit then it would have been me.[/QUOTE]I need to correct you on that. While I was initially uncertain when and where I became infected, I can now say with 100% certainty that I was infected at home by my brother just over 1 week before I left for Colombia. 4 other people who were around him during the same period have also tested positive. He has not, and probably will not be vaccinated. Had I been tested when I was at the hospital before my trip, I would have tested positive (and never made the trip).

As I've stated before, because of some of the medications I take, I have a weakened immune system, which means, any vaccine is likely to be less effective for me than for the average person. So using me as an example, without considering my overall health condition is like pointing out a man with one leg as proof that nobody is able to run.

I just went back like 8 pages and still didn't get past the two idiots arguing about covid and vaccines.

There are thousands of places to have a discussion about vaccines and covid. You can even choose one based on if you want an argument or an echo chamber.

If your chosen platform to present your argument is a site for discussing working girls, you probably aren't arguing as eloquently as you think you are.

Are there any moderators here? If so, please moderate all this shit, my own post included.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2578665]It actually leaves us with more than that, which are my issues that are likewise not debatable.

"It traditionally has taken 5-10 years to get a new vaccine."

"On average, it takes 10-15 years and costs $2.6 billion to develop one new medicine, including the cost of the many failures. Only 12% of new molecular entities that enter clinical trials eventually receive USA Food and Drug Administration (FDA) approval. " That says 10 years, NOT the 2 months it took for these vaccines! In addition, covid vaccines are authorized for emergency use, but they are not FDA approved.

"On average, it takes at least ten years for a new medicine to complete the journey from initial discovery to the marketplace, with clinical trials alone taking six to seven years on average. " That says clinical trials taking 6 years, not the 3 weeks it took for these vaccines!

On top of that if something happens to you because you took one of these barely tested vaccines, it is too bad so sad. You have no means to do anything about it because the makers of these vaccines are exempted from any legal action.[/QUOTE]I need to respond to this again. It reminded me of something and I failed to address the only thing you wrote which is relevant, that it's not debatable. That's correct, but not because of anything you wrote.

When I worked for the towing company I got a call to unlock a Volvo. I arrived, said a few words to the woman and looked inside. The doors were locked and the keys were laying on the front seat. I grabbed my slim Jim and walked around to the passenger side.

When she saw the slim Jim she started telling me it was impossible to unlock a Volvo that way. I needed to get a locksmith to make a new key.

Before she could finish telling me what I was doing was impossible, I had the car unlocked. I opened the door, grabbed the keys and showed them to her. She told me she wasn't going to pay $20 for something that took me 2 seconds. I tossed the keys back on the seat, locked the door and closed it. I told her there was no charge for the first one. If she wanted me to unlock it again it was going to cost $20.

If it had taken me 20 minutes, would the car have been more unlocked?

Now let's address each of your points.

The amount of time it takes to accomplish a goal doesn't determine how well the goal was accomplished. If you run a mile in 4 minutes and I run a mile in 12 minutes, did I run the mile better? Was my mile longer than your mile?

If you spend 5 minutes convincing a non pro to fuck you is that non pro worse than the non pro you spent 45 minutes convincing?

Next, on average it takes years to get FDA approval for a medicine. But medicine and vaccines are 2 completely different things. A medicine, generally works to alter one or more aspects of your body chemistry. A vaccine has only one purpose, to trigger your immune system to produce a specific antibody. It either causes the response or not, then the vaccine goes away.

It's like this. A person throws one punch at you. Either they hit or miss, but that's it. Another person tries to kick your ass. Sometimes they hit, sometimes they miss, but you have to defend yourself until they stop.

In the first example, whatever damage you receive is almost certain to be immediately apparent. In the second, you might not realize how much damage was done for hours or days. So the development, testing and approval process for a medication is unrelated to the same process for a vaccine.

Now we come to "the vaccines don't have FDA approval. " Oxycontin and Fentanyl received FDA approval. Does that mean they were safe? Motrin initially was approved as a prescription medication. Later it was reclassified as non-prescription. Did the change in classification change the drug?

FDA approval is a bureaucratic process. It has nothing to do with the development and testing of the drug or vaccine. It's merely a recognition that the company has done their due diligence. When the vaccines become FDA approved, they will be exactly the same as the vaccines which currently have emergency use authorization.

Which brings us to the final objection, if the vaccine harms you, nobody is going to send you a check for $1 million. If you catch Covid and it harms you, nobody is going to send you $1 million either. However, the chance of Covid harming you is at least 15 million times greater than the chance of the vaccine harming you.

That leaves us with your only reason for not wanting to get vaccinated. I call it "The Mom Gambit. ".

When I was a kid I was very good at convincing my mother to let me do things she was opposed to. Scoring strictly on points, my record was perfect. However, at any time she might employ The Mom Gambit, ending any discussion.

The Mom Gambit is like the Crane Kick from "Karate Kid. " It's simple, it's elegant, it's devastating and there's no defense against it. You're going along thinking "I've got this", when out of nowhere you get a kick to the chin and it's lights out.

The Mom Gambit consists of 4 words, "because I said so. " Boom. Turn out the lights, the party's over.

You don't want to get vaccinated because you don't want to get vaccinated. It's not a decision which is based on logic. It's an emotional choice. It's no different than my attraction to short women. You can talk all day about long legs and big butts. I might even agree with your logic. However, when that little 5' 0" girl smiles at me, guess where I'm going.

Which brings us back to my original point. Nobody on this forum had presented a sound logical reason for not getting vaccinated. Every single objection boils down to "because I don't want to. " Which is absolutely fine with me. We are each free to make our own choices, even in matters which might be harmful or fatal to ourselves or others.

My only objection to all of this is you and the others trying to blow smoke up my ass and convince me there's some valid reason for something you have been unable to justify. Just grow a set of testicles and say "I don't want to do it and you can't make me. It's a lot easier than shoving 2 tons of bullshit, spraying it with Febreze and telling us it's perfume.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2578138]Got to tell you MDS, people's naivete on China is amazing. Somehow American deaths from Corona were Trump's fault, and China is blameless. How the hell did that happen? Clearly, China has a great PR team.[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-07-07/why-china-keeps-sending-warplanes-to-fly-near-taiwan-quicktake[/URL]

I sure hope so!!

[QUOTE=Gray123;2578890]I just went back like 8 pages and still didn't get past the two idiots arguing about covid and vaccines.

There are thousands of places to have a discussion about vaccines and covid. You can even choose one based on if you want an argument or an echo chamber.

If your chosen platform to present your argument is a site for discussing working girls, you probably aren't arguing as eloquently as you think you are.

Are there any moderators here? If so, please moderate all this shit, my own post included.[/QUOTE]Did you notice the forum here is Stupid Shit? I'd say everything is in its proper place, although I agree the topic is played out.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2578857]I need to correct you on that. While I was initially uncertain when and where I became infected, I can now say with 100% certainty that I was infected at home by my brother just over 1 week before I left for Colombia. 4 other people who were around him during the same period have also tested positive. He has not, and probably will not be vaccinated.[/QUOTE]How did it affect your brother? If you were infected by your brother would it have still shown up as late as the date that you took the test in Colombia?
[QUOTE=JjBee62;2578916]She told me she wasn't going to pay $20 for something that took me 2 seconds. I tossed the keys back on the seat, locked the door and closed it. I told her there was no charge for the first one. If she wanted me to unlock it again it was going to cost $20.[/QUOTE]I don't blame you. That must have been 50 years ago, $20!

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2579163]How did it affect your brother? If you were infected by your brother would it have still shown up as late as the date that you took the test in Colombia?
I don't blame you. That must have been 50 years ago, $20![/QUOTE]My brother complained that he thought he had a really bad cold and a sinus infection. He was seriously dragging for 5 days. At the time I didn't think anything of it, because he's generally only around a small circle of people and he doesn't travel.

If you add 5 to 7 days to when I was around him, it coincides with my first symptoms. Add another 14 days and that's when I was tested. 6 more days and my symptoms started to clear up.

One of the problems after having Covid is that enough can remain in your body to cause a positive test for several weeks after you're no longer contagious.

I had a lot of fun at the towing company. It was only a bit over 30 years ago. The average tow bill then was $30-$35.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2579163]How did it affect your brother? If you were infected by your brother would it have still shown up as late as the date that you took the test in Colombia?
I don't blame you. That must have been 50 years ago, $20![/QUOTE]Some people with weaker immune systems. Chronic illnesses or elderly take longer to clear the virus. Kids with strong immune systems generally run through it quickly.

[QUOTE=Villainy;2578800]Almost any and everything you read will echo that around 99% of the CoVid deaths are in unvaccinated people. I copied a bunch of links below. They are not all parroting the CDC's findings.
(Which should be sufficient for anyone who isn't a conspiracy theorist). The uniformity of the results might lead a rational person to actively seek vaccination. You are not guaranteed against getting the virus, but you are far more likely to survive it.
Isn't that enough?? Do we really need to know exactly how the virus operates or how the vaccine was conceived or who profits or who scratches their balls.[/QUOTE]Its good evidence against people that do not want to take the vaccine bcos they think it is ineffective.

But there are other reasons. For example, people might question the long term effectiveness of the vaccine. That has not been proven.

Myself, I would not take a vax bcos I think it is immoral. For example, would you sacrifice your own child / wife / mother so that I can research the effects of a potential vaccine? I assume you would say no. So then why would you expect someone else to sacrifice theirs or for anyone else to take yours without your permission?

[QUOTE=JustTK;2579392]Its good evidence against people that do not want to take the vaccine bcos they think it is ineffective.

But there are other reasons. For example, people might question the long term effectiveness of the vaccine. That has not been proven.

Myself, I would not take a vax bcos I think it is immoral. For example, would you sacrifice your own child / wife / mother so that I can research the effects of a potential vaccine? I assume you would say no. So then why would you expect someone else to sacrifice theirs or for anyone else to take yours without your permission?[/QUOTE]So, first sentence you acknowledge that the death rate is overwhelming among those who are unvaccinated and you say that "is good evidence against people who don't take the vaccie because they think it is ineffective".

But the very next sentence you say some people think it may not have long-term effectiveness? Seriously? So what? If the vaccine is good for a year or two and then you need another. Is that so bad? Since the.

Covid strain at issue has only been around for 1 1/2 years, and the vaccine has only been out about 6 months (after preliminary trials) I guess we'll find out. But the fact that it is effective initially is ample reason to.

Be vaccinated. If it doesn't perform long-term I suspect the drug companies will have improved the vaccine so that it will, in due course.

Lastly you think the vaccine is immoral? Because why?? You understand we are not in an experimental trial right now. Right? You know that the trials don't 'force' your child / wife / grandmother to enter it right??

The last bastion of stupidity is someone saying " I'm not going to take the vaccine because it isn't proven to be 100% effective " Current statistics are running over 90% effective against the virus and the less than 10% who still get infected are surviving at a highly elevated rate vs those who are unvaccinated. Perfect? Not yet. Effective. Damn straight.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2579392]Its good evidence against people that do not want to take the vaccine bcos they think it is ineffective.

But there are other reasons. For example, people might question the long term effectiveness of the vaccine. That has not been proven.

Myself, I would not take a vax bcos I think it is immoral. For example, would you sacrifice your own child / wife / mother so that I can research the effects of a potential vaccine? I assume you would say no. So then why would you expect someone else to sacrifice theirs or for anyone else to take yours without your permission?[/QUOTE]You are a victim of Russian / Republican disinformation.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2579392]Its good evidence against people that do not want to take the vaccine bcos they think it is ineffective.

But there are other reasons. For example, people might question the long term effectiveness of the vaccine. That has not been proven.

Myself, I would not take a vax bcos I think it is immoral. For example, would you sacrifice your own child / wife / mother so that I can research the effects of a potential vaccine? I assume you would say no. So then why would you expect someone else to sacrifice theirs or for anyone else to take yours without your permission?[/QUOTE]Let me get this straight.

You travel to impoverished countries, because the high poverty rate enables you to have sex with young women, most who are trying to support a family, at 10% of what it would cost you at home and you believe voluntarily taking a vaccine that has already been received by nearly 1 billion people is immoral?

That could quite possibly be the most incredibly fucked up rationale I've ever encountered.

People might question the long term effectiveness? People might also question the long term effectiveness of having malignant tumors surgically removed, because quite often the cancer will return, further surgery and treatment will be required. However, those are incredibly stupid people.

If a vaccine prevents you from being hospitalized or dying for 6 months (and also prevents you from infecting other people who might be hospitalized or who might die, then what's the objection? "I'd rather go ahead and die now than have to submit to another half second vaccine injection again next year."

Where in the fuck is this potential vaccine you are speaking of? There are several actual, tested and proven vaccines. To date they have been administered to nearly 1 billion people around the world. That's a total of almost 2 billion tests, not counting all of the actual tests before any of the vaccines were authorized for distribution.

Is there a chance that any individual will have an adverse reaction to the vaccine? Yes. Just like there is a chance that someone will choke on a piece of popcorn. Is it immoral to sell popcorn because 1 out of every 1 million people who eat popcorn will choke and die on popcorn?

If you don't want to get vaccinated, don't get vaccinated. Honestly, nobody here really gives a fuck, no matter what they might say. But stop making up all kinds of bullshit, because it makes you look like an idiot.

[QUOTE=Villainy;2579420]So, first sentence you acknowledge that the death rate is overwhelming among those who are unvaccinated and you say that "is good evidence against people who don't take the vaccie because they think it is ineffective".

But the very next sentence you say some people think it may not have long-term effectiveness? Seriously? So what? If the vaccine is good for a year or two and then you need another. Is that so bad? Since the.

Covid strain at issue has only been around for 1 1/2 years, and the vaccine has only been out about 6 months (after preliminary trials) I guess we'll find out. But the fact that it is effective initially is ample reason to.

Be vaccinated. If it doesn't perform long-term I suspect the drug companies will have improved the vaccine so that it will, in due course.

Lastly you think the vaccine is immoral? Because why?? You understand we are not in an experimental trial right now. Right? You know that the trials don't 'force' your child / wife / grandmother to enter it right??

The last bastion of stupidity is someone saying " I'm not going to take the vaccine because it isn't proven to be 100% effective " Current statistics are running over 90% effective against the virus and the less than 10% who still get infected are surviving at a highly elevated rate vs those who are unvaccinated. Perfect? Not yet. Effective. Damn straight.[/QUOTE]You recd Sinovac.

[QUOTE=JohnClayton;2579421]You are a victim of Russian / Republican disinformation.[/QUOTE]Of defective DNA.

[URL]https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2021/06/novavax-now-best-covid-19-vaccine/619276/[/URL]