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And by the way I've been at Sharks 6 days in a row 7 girls, each 50 e for everything.[/QUOTE]Define everything.
HB.
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[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2047777]
And by the way I've been at Sharks 6 days in a row 7 girls, each 50 e for everything.[/QUOTE]Define everything.
HB.
[QUOTE=HessenBub;2048023]Define everything.
HB.[/QUOTE]Define if you want.
[QUOTE=HessenBub;2048023]Define everything.
HB.[/QUOTE]Speaking with other men and ISGers in the club they say everything very much, so I picked it up, my apologies.
Eager BBBJ, DATY, eager DFK, CFS, BLS that's what they consider everything, "ALL INCLUSIVE".
No extra charges for the basics of regular sex.
[QUOTE=Craiova;2048005]At least for sure common sense.[/QUOTE]Except sensitive ISG posters mentally when they are being silly 😆.
[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2047777]The only thing I can do is guess that some guys can't get girls for the lower prices for anyone of a variety of reasons, so they always pay more than everyone else, and they resent the fuck out of that so they are going to try to demean those of us that get offered low prices[/QUOTE]Didn't see this until Jnpr30 bumped it.
When I said "some guys are just cheap", I include myself in that group. To me, cheap is not always a negative word. Depends on the context.
Was there some negativity in my original post? Yes, but it was more connected to the word "misleading". In other words, being intentionally deceitful. Here's a common scenario that happens when a Hessen WG takes a first-time customer into the room:
WG: "Baby, what we make in the room? How long we stay?
Man: "Depends, I will stay as long as I am having fun. ".
Probably only 10% of the men are truthful. 80% of the men know they will only extend if she gives 9+ service, and even then only a maximum of one hour. 10% know ahead of time, they will stay 30 minutes no matter what. Most top-earning WGs probably would not trust the customer in such a scenario. Or it would be a case-to-case to basis. She'd probably try to assess on the spot, how "gentlemanly" he is (based on his reputation, ethnicity, nationality, and age).
Would I talk badly of this type of WG or would I say she has "no business sense"? No, because the reality is there is an opportunity cost to her being in the room. Read the reports, Optimist just wrote he spent the better part of five days with one WG. Other men like to take WGs out of the club for an entire night. She doesn't want to be unavailable when these types of customers are interviewing for targets. It's a high-risk, high-reward strategy.
[QUOTE=McAdonis;2048168]Didn't see this until Jnpr30 bumped it.
When I said "some guys are just cheap", I include myself in that group. To me, cheap is not always a negative word. Depends on the context.
Was there some negativity in my original post? Yes, but it was more connected to the word "misleading". In other words, being intentionally deceitful. Here's a common scenario that happens when a Hessen WG takes a first-time customer into the room:
WG: "Baby, what we make in the room? How long we stay?
Man: "Depends, I will stay as long as I am having fun. ".
Probably only 10% of the men are truthful. 80% of the men know they will only extend if she gives 9+ service, and even then only a maximum of one hour. 10% know ahead of time, they will stay 30 minutes no matter what. Most top-earning WGs probably would not trust the customer in such a scenario. Or it would be a case-to-case to basis. She'd probably try to assess on the spot, how "gentlemanly" he is (based on his reputation, ethnicity, nationality, and age).
Would I talk badly of this type of WG or would I say she has "no business sense"? No, because the reality is there is an opportunity cost to her being in the room. Read the reports, Optimist just wrote he spent the better part of five days with one WG. Other men like to take WGs out of the club for an entire night. She doesn't want to be unavailable when these types of customers are interviewing for targets. It's a high-risk, high-reward strategy.[/QUOTE]When I try a new girl, even being a weekly repeating specialist, when the girl ask me for how long I want to stay with her, I answer: it just depends on you, usually girls understand, and when it works good, after less than 5 minutes, I say to her I prefer to take my time, then, girl is relaxed and I can enjoy.
I prefer to have 1 or 2 good rooms a day, for 2*100 , rather than 4 rabbit rooms. When I enjoy, 30 mn are too short for my foreplay which are for longer than 30 mn.
[QUOTE=Optimist;2047975]Jnpr. Talking to some girls at Sharks, it is clear you are right and the girls tend to put money first into assets like house, gold and cars (even if the latter depreciate). , but they still spend prodigious amounts on shopping expeditions. So I really think that most of the established girls at Sharks are much much richer than me, as well as much much younger.
My hope for them is that they handle the money to secure their lives once they stop working.[/QUOTE]WGs like football players have short career, working with their fresh ass, or square feet for most of football players. When I speak with my girls, they know they won't make much money from business in deep Romania or Bulgaria or Moldavia or even cold Siberia or far Kamchatka or Ural. Working with my brain, I will work for nearly 50 years, maybe more until I die.
[QUOTE=McAdonis;2048168]Didn't see this until Jnpr30 bumped it.
When I said "some guys are just cheap", I include myself in that group. To me, cheap is not always a negative word. Depends on the context.
Was there some negativity in my original post? Yes, but it was more connected to the word "misleading". In other words, being intentionally deceitful. Here's a common scenario that happens when a Hessen WG takes a first-time customer into the room:
WG: "Baby, what we make in the room? How long we stay?
Man: "Depends, I will stay as long as I am having fun. ".
Probably only 10% of the men are truthful. 80% of the men know they will only extend if she gives 9+ service, and even then only a maximum of one hour. 10% know ahead of time, they will stay 30 minutes no matter what. Most top-earning WGs probably would not trust the customer in such a scenario. Or it would be a case-to-case to basis. She'd probably try to assess on the spot, how "gentlemanly" he is (based on his reputation, ethnicity, nationality, and age).
Would I talk badly of this type of WG or would I say she has "no business sense"? No, because the reality is there is an opportunity cost to her being in the room. Read the reports, Optimist just wrote he spent the better part of five days with one WG. Other men like to take WGs out of the club for an entire night. She doesn't want to be unavailable when these types of customers are interviewing for targets. It's a high-risk, high-reward strategy.[/QUOTE]I'm curious why you are concerned with looking at this from their vantage?
I don't give a thing about their perspective nor do they give a thing about yours.
This is a very competitive environment so why concern yourself with the oppositions interests?
Guys like optimist are rare, I don't think a girl is going to miss out on a whale because she's doing a 50 1/2 HR, that's a stretch of the imagination I don't even think they could manage.
She should be concerned with repeat biz and word of mouth to build a good rep, most girls there are very mercenary (to use optimists word), ala Los Angeles / Las Vegas.
I've spent many hours 7 days in a row now, and I'm burned out, did a repeat of Mandy today, she may be the only girl with any character or integrity in the whole place.
The mgmt is probably the biggest problem with sharks, they micromanage every aspect of the place including the ethos / zeitgeist of the WGs, I think its an indicator of their attitude to name a brothel sharks.
And then pack it with sharks, I'm not impressed, nor amused, I'm not a small business expect, but common sense tells me this approach may work for them short term but is unsustainable long term.
If a guy fully intended to stay just 30 min regardless of the service and walks out promptly at the half HR mark even when the service was fantastic, isn't he the one losing out? When he implements this strategy across a spectrum of girls, he would come out a net loser. Unless every single girl provided fantastic service ofc.
I don't believe I have a premeditated mindset in these cases. I have stayed an hour, or hour and half, or taken multiple sessions subsequently when I liked what I saw in the first half HR; with others, it was curtains at the 20/25 min, and no more repeats ever. Last week, Regina fell in the first category for me, and I didn't think she would become such a fav until I took her to the room. Sara would be in the second category, as would be many others.
McAdonis. Fair points as always. Although as you point out, I often pay very much more than 50, I see no reason why 50 for everything should be a problem. Of course as you say many men are disingenuous with the girls, but I'm not sure this makes too much problem with girls who provide everything. I saw several girls who were busy almost nonstop, taking new customers for half or one hour or more, and spending maybe 10 minutes chatting pre-room. I think many many of their customers extended to an hour or more: I know they were often new customers as I overheard the pre-room chats.
These few girls made more, much more, I am sure, than the majority of the overcharging (my shorthand phrasing) girls.
Jnpr. Agreed. Most guys going with the busy girls knew they had something worth staying more than 30 minutes for
Cheers both.
I really wanted to session the tall and big Lithuanian as I saw the bloke who came out of the zimmer with her look very contented but I found her manner off putting. She probably gives good service but sometimes one has to respect oneself and avoid people who lack basic courtesy. Redhead Vanessa, Rom. has been pursuing me vigorously but I find super aggression portends a bad session. My best tryst today was with Latvian Angelina, 30' 50 e with all my inclinations fulfilled with the exception of genuine DFK which is quite elusive for me this trip.
[QUOTE=Turgid;2048213]I really wanted to session the tall and big Lithuanian as I saw the bloke who came out of the zimmer with her look very contented but I found her manner off putting. She probably gives good service but sometimes one has to respect oneself and avoid people who lack basic courtesy. Redhead Vanessa, Rom. has been pursuing me vigorously but I find super aggression portends a bad session. My best tryst today was with Latvian Angelina, 30' 50 e with all my inclinations fulfilled with the exception of genuine DFK which is quite elusive for me this trip.[/QUOTE]What was her name?
[QUOTE=McAdonis;2048168]
Would I talk badly of this type of WG or would I say she has "no business sense"? No, because the reality is there is an opportunity cost to her being in the room. Read the reports, Optimist just wrote he spent the better part of five days with one WG. Other men like to take WGs out of the club for an entire night. She doesn't want to be unavailable when these types of customers are interviewing for targets. It's a high-risk, high-reward strategy.[/QUOTE]Indeed, but she does forget perhaps the main point I've been trying to project here a few times. She forgets about the word of mouth. Such strategy would work before the internet and if guys stayed separate from each others while in the club. These days though, 98% of guys I meet in FKK's read one or more forums such as ISG is one example of. In such environment the added good review factor trumps the chance factor you are referring to. It works like MyTaxi, with personalized reviews of the driver.
To sum it up, wg's are stuck in the past. Pre-internet age with age old useless tactics. Just like the media was stuck in the past when not realizing Trump would win the election, nor that Brexit would happen.
Like mentionned here, after I started posting positively about Mandy, she got even harder to catch..and are now able to take even shorter weeks at work to earn her satisfied amount. And she can now work any time of the week it seems and still be 24/7 booked. Because she is perhaps the one wg who understands this the most. Other wg's can seem smart, but so far only Mandy understands the information age... and maybe Aksena at Artemis to a lesser degree (although her honesty score is not a 100% like Mandy's are). Plus Mili at Artemis, Liz at Sharks (interestingly a friend of Mandy), the blonde russian at GT from Moscow (forgot name), and Marlyn at sharks who seems to just work for fun unless she is a weired actress, but if she were, then why not work more than she does?.. and I guess siri's favourites enjoy the same to a lesser extent... because guys here knows what he is after, lol. So for me, and for many others too, Sirioja is perhaps our most useful poster if you know how to weed out the right things (like I for instance couldnt care less about his swizz adventures). A few fly by night girls would fall into this category also if they weren't just that: 'fly by night girls'...
MarquideSade: like you say, the Sharks name is a rethorical old strategy used for a long time. It states that when you mention something bad openly, people think in reverse of it and see it as a joke. But normally it is used to hide and conceal the fact that it is the way things work. Most people does buy into the concealment strategy untill they learn about rethorics however. What I would label this is 'marketing'. And in the information internet age it backfires. Only PR works. And there you cannot lie nor conceal anything.
Pistons. Yes. At Sharks I saw time after time the "good" girls being busy and the 100 upsell girls with long faces complaining about lack of customers. The upsell girls I spoke to about this don't seem to understand the connection, disdaining to even risk working 30 minutes for 50 euro.
[QUOTE=Optimist;2048417]Pistons. Yes. At Sharks I saw time after time the "good" girls being busy and the 100 upsell girls with long faces complaining about lack of customers. The upsell girls I spoke to about this don't seem to understand the connection, disdaining to even risk working 30 minutes for 50 euro.[/QUOTE]Well, many romanians have barely attended school. Liz (sharks) and the blonde russian at GT who used to work at Oase for example has both studied psychology at the university. And both have excellent integrity. For unschooled people, not everything in this world is as straight forward as it might seem to the untrained eye.
Sirioja: Working girls are indeed like football players. And like football players such as Zlatan or Ronaldo, their careers can be extended if they stop with the body enhancements and the hard fitness practice with weights added. It may boost them for awhile, but it makes long term upkeep that much harder...