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First off. Thanks to all of you and all the posts to help me navigate. First trip coming up in Jan. Bogota, Med and the Cartagena. Very excited.
Question, do I stay on the beach in BocaGrande or Getsamani to be closer to the action? I typically like the massage places and if there are any girl houses here that would be great too.
Any advice will be appreciated!
[QUOTE=MikeStud;2960741]Question, do I stay on the beach in BocaGrande or Getsamani to be closer to the action? I typically like the massage places and if there are any girl houses here that would be great too.[/QUOTE]What action? Massage places? Girl houses? Have you actually read the forum?
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2960850]What action? Massage places? Girl houses? Have you actually read the forum?[/QUOTE]I think RTFF is too short for vBulletin, so you had to elaborate further.
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2960690]Look at it this way. Some guys are professional mongers...[/QUOTE]I get what you are saying, but let's be clear. The girls are the professionals and the guys are, at best, knowledgeable and discerning customers.
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2960690]Also people from the developed western world are not used to haggling. It feels weird to them and they are used to seeing the price as the price. Then, like some people in a traveling facebook page that I am on said, they go to developing countries and feel sorry for people and do not mind paying the asking price. Even in these threads we have had mongers say, they need it more than me. So unfortunately you are always going to have people with the cheaper than home mentality, even though iin actuality, it is an astronomical price for the locale.[/QUOTE]Most of the time in CTG now I am using Didi over Uber. The waiting time seems much less. Still, there are times we need to get a cab back in places where it takes a Didi or Uber a long time to respond. In one of our most popular dining places, my gal will not pay more than 12 k COP for a cab. I will even be like 15 is okay, and she will not do it. Even when the cabbies try to get 20 k from her when the ride is over, she will not pay it and say, "No, it is 12 k" and just give them that. The funny part is the cabbies react like they have no rights at all. They have not argued with my gal at all.
The other day my gal showed me an IG post. Apparently, an American tourist was ripped off by a Cabbie and called that tourist hot line and wanted the Cartagena mayor to verbally berate the cabbie. My gal did not like that. It was like the locals had to bend over too hard to accommodate the tourists.
Thing is you have stories like the guy Dubliner posted here and the American Secret Service where when the women were not satisfied with what they were paid, and the authorities took the side of the woman with disastrous results. So if you feel you have to pay a little more to not run into a situation like that, guys think it might be worth it for that piece of mind.
But now if a cabbie tried to say a 12 k fare was 20 k, I would be like, "No, it is 12 K" and leave the money on the seat and get the fuck out. Honestly, I think the locals respect you more if you are like that. The cabbies are almost scared if you accuse them of ripping you off.
If I went back into the hooker game, I guess than I would need to talk to the locals and see what recourse the women had if they pulled a "I said 800 k not 200 k" stunt. My guess is the women do not have much recourse if you threw 200 k on the floor and said, "Nah, we agreed on 200 k" and walked out, but the problem is even in the USA, you have crack hookers being made out to be trafficking victims and are the ones with all the rights. I am seeing Colombian women do not have much in the way of rights despite Colombia trying to portray itself as tough on trafficking.
I am just back from CTG. It was planned to be a 4N trip, but due to Avianca madness I had to reduce it to 2N. I spent lot of time in BOG, including so many hours wasted at El Dorado. The only good thing is that cancelled flights allowed me to pay a visit also to Santa Fe.
I am happy to confirm the Reloy square is free from barriers, there is a police van but they don't play the siren (Gosh! What was the purpose if not breaking the ears of people, all people, men, women, families, regular vanilla tourists?? How could police be so stupid to think that breaking the ears of people with a siren increases security? *) and things are pretty much as before, EXCEPT:
1) There are no more clubs / bars meant to meet girls. No more Space, LDV, whatever (my memories of Golden Times date back to FABULOUS ELEKTRA, the best place of my life in the whole Latin America). Only bars full of regular tourists, good for music and drinks. This is bad. I loved the vibe of bars full of WGs.
2) There are many sexy working girls, but walking around the walled city within say 3-4 blocks from Reloy. Yes, they can be at Reloy, but not many and seldom standing. They stop for a while, then walk away, otherwise police comes to question (although I have seen that only once). Now, the way to meet girls is WALKING. The more you walk, the more you see. If you don't see and approach many, the probability to meet one girl of interest is small. Be fit guys. Don't be lazy. Walk.
3) The quality of girls (at least when I was there) is nothing good as before. I met in CTG the most stunning LA (Latin America, not Los Angeles) girls of my life! Now, most girls look veteran, chubby, silicon, just rough, whatever makes them not a model type. Say less then 5% attracted my attention, but in practice I have approached less than that. Over two nights, I remember just 3 that I liked to the point of thinking "I wish this be mine":
- 1 young apparently new to the job, who of course ran away from me (if a girl is young and sexy, in CTG she can find a handsome man who ALSO gives money. I am an average middle age guy);
- 1 model type with braces, who was adamantine in requesting condom for everything including oral (not my cup of tea, see below);
- 1 young, first time on the job, sexy, who first left me with her older friend then later came back to me. This last one is the single girl I have taken with me to hotel over the two nights. A nice girl indeed! I wish I had more days to spend in CTG.
4) All girls I have asked were apparently adamantine in requesting condom also for oral. WTF! This is new! I am not going to pay 300k-400k for playing plastic. One seriously offered to use the hand without condom. She seemed serious thinking it was an offer of potential interest to mitigate my disappointment for CBJ. Only two agreed for BBJ, and I took the second. Nevertheless, she was not good in blowing, although very sexy and unspoiled. She claimed I was her first man on her new job in CTG to make some money.
5) Several girls propositioned me with an amount in DOLLARS (80 and upwards), not pesos. WTF!! This is the best sign that gringos have spoiled the place.
Nena, what do you do with dollars?? "I change them to pesos". Then why you ask dollars?? "I don't know, most men have dollars...".
After leaving the dollar bullsh behind, most common prices requested were 300k upwards.
I will be back in January. I am curious to see if the situation will improve.
(*) In CTG, the silly Alcalde ([URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?582-Cartagena-Reports&p=2890538&viewfull=1#post2890538[/URL]) must have given clear instructions to the police to waste time in pointless actitivities. A morning, a helicopter passed along the beach of Laguito playing the siren (!!) then broadcasting a not intelligible voice announcement with the loudspeaker. I was worried, considered the tropical rain and flooding of the past night which made the street not passable in Laguito, that they were raising an alarm for an incoming hurricane, a tsunami, a compelling emergency. NO, nothing. Later I asked the doorman and he smiled telling me that they do it often "para seguridad". WTF! What a waste of public money!
Cartagena use to be my spot. I have been all over that city, beaches and nearby islands on many occasions. I got to the point of burn out along with the changes and dip in quality. PreCovid were the best of times of course but afterwards things and quality went down. I have noticed that around the world when Gringos are prevalent in a certain area it fucks up the local culture and the locals try to emulate the Gringo culture, it raises prices on goods and services, hotels, food and generally everything. The girls are usually hardened pros and their services are usually lacking. Some will see you as a walking ATM. Now when I want to go to a beach town in Colombia I switch over to Santa Marta. A lot less Gringos, hardened pros, scams and touts. The people are more genuine and honest. When I went to Rodadero I don't think I seen one Gringo and I wasn't looking for them either. I avoid them honestly. I prefer a more local experience and I don't travel anywhere internationally to hang out with Gringos. I don't get it. The mid sized cities that are off the beaten path is the way to go in Colombia, especially if you want more of the culture and a more authentic experience. I usually spend a couple of days in Bogota before I leave Colombia because of my connecting flights and recently I seen some crazy shit go down in Santa Fe.
[QUOTE=MongerHunger;2961131] Santa Marta. A lot less Gringos, hardened pros, scams and touts. [/QUOTE]The women, scams and touts follow the gringos' money. We gringos are simply in the way, an obstacle for them to get around to get to the money.
I was in Cartagena two weeks ago and from my perspective nothing's really changed. I always do everything onilne and in fact rarely leave my apartment because it's far cheaper and efficient to have everything delivered than to go get it yourself. Up to and including girls. Going out walking around for hours looking for girls is such a waste of time. It's all online and cheaper.
And that said, I'll probably never return to Cartagena again. I just wanted to see it again because it was the first place I landed 3 years ago in Colombia. And yeah, nothing's changed except for that it's more expensive and girls are flakier. I used Tinder during the pandemic and girls were more interested in talking more than a few seconds. Now they reply once or twice and nothing beyond that. I had some good times and Colombia is still great but it makes more sense to move on. That said, you can still easily find girls even on Tinder for decent prices. I've never paid over 200 mil for a domicilio.
The price you pay isn't commensurate to what you get in Cartagena. Definitely not compared to the rest of Colombia. If it was a literal clone of Miami then sure. But we're talking shitty roads, weather, pushy vendors, annoying wannabe rappers, beaches, etc in comparison.
Also just saying but if you don't talk any Spanish or very little then the coast of Colombia is the worst place to learn or understand what they're saying. I'm now fluent but I learned the hard way, that's for sure. You will learn much faster in Bogota.
Here we have another set of individuals who decided to walk in Torices, the barrio that's directly across the bridge from Marbella. I know they are developing high rise condos there and selling them for cheap, but that neighborhood is a no go and at this close to Christmas its definite NO especially on foot. Do not stay in an AirBB there even if its in one of those newly built buildings.
[URL]https://www.instagram.com/p/DCkUCsdPTXT/[/URL]
Someone just got their Christmas presents early.
Stay safe out there!
Anyone knows what motels in Crespo among Las Dunas, La Cangreja, La Jaiba, are still open and operating, if any?
They were my best venue before COVID to take special girls. Google Maps reports them as still open, but I know by direct experience (I tried to go there last year by taxi) that at least La Jaiba was closed and terminated to operate.
Thanks.
[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2961059]But now if a cabbie tried to say a 12 k fare was 20 k, I would be like, "No, it is 12 K" and leave the money on the seat and get the fuck out. Honestly, I think the locals respect you more if you are like that. The cabbies are almost scared if you accuse them of ripping you off.
If I went back into the hooker game, I guess than I would need to talk to the locals and see what recourse the women had if they pulled a "I said 800 k not 200 k" stunt. My guess is the women do not have much recourse if you threw 200 k on the floor and said, "Nah, we agreed on 200 k" and walked out, but the problem is even in the USA, you have crack hookers being made out to be trafficking victims and are the ones with all the rights. I am seeing Colombian women do not have much in the way of rights despite Colombia trying to portray itself as tough on trafficking.[/QUOTE]I don't know about legal rights, but I suspect more of the girls than we realize have protection of some sort. You don't want her on her phone telling whoever that you ripped her off. Almost any girl with an apartment is with an agency that I am sure has "personal security" capabilities for its girls. In a country with prolific gang activity its naive to think that these girls are flying between cities and taking in millions of tourist dollars without someone getting a cut for "security".
[QUOTE=JayWonEm;2962652]I don't know about legal rights, but I suspect more of the girls than we realize have protection of some sort. You don't want her on her phone telling whoever that you ripped her off. Almost any girl with an apartment is with an agency that I am sure has "personal security" capabilities for its girls. In a country with prolific gang activity its naive to think that these girls are flying between cities and taking in millions of tourist dollars without someone getting a cut for "security".[/QUOTE]Man those raggedy hoes are broke. They do not have any hitters on retainer. They are flying between cities because dudes are paying for the tickets and it is cheap as hell anyway. Even if you did not rip her off, what would be stopping her from telling any said muscle that you did? You are really overthinking hookers.
What a surprise. Passport Bros and weekend warriors have ruined the city. Everybody's talking about the drop in quality. What did you think was going to happen when you have a bunch of broke Passport Bros throwing money in the air, making Colombians look like poor beggars, going to the clubs smoking hookah, wearing stunners shades and bringing in gangster rap, Miami strip club culture, embarrassing the locals, and making a place that was supposed to look like, supposed to be good for vacation for families, a trash *****house. You all did this. You brought your strip club, I-want to-look-gangster-in-front-of-everybody culture, and the city shut it down.
I came into Cartagena last week. Didn't have any pesos but took an Uber to Boca Grande where I had an Airbnb lined up near the beach. The exchange rate at the airport is a paltry 3800 something so I waited until I got to Boca Grande to withdraw money from an ATM which was downstairs. I checked with the owner prior to booking about "guests" had no problem with visitors as he was an American with a Colombian wife. My suggestion is to download WhatApp and meet ladies from the internet. I had no issues other than aggressive ladies offering massages on the beach. Avoid their "free masaje" you will end up in a nasty argument with them.