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Agreed with locals scene however I was referring to KI. I think locals in classic, travel is much more on the decent local crowd side compared to KI's dodgy looking ones.

Kemang is next on my bucket list.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2352845]Hotel Classic, Hotel Travel, and ALL of those cheap brothels in that area of town have over 95% local guys as customers. So if you are going to any brothel in Jakarta, you are "partying" with the locals. In reality, I almost never even talk to any of the local guys wherever I am though, so I am not really partying with them. I am having sex with the local girls in those establishments, and they are always locals. To have sex with a non-local girl, you will need to go up market to a place like Malioboro.

If you want to "party" with non-local guys, you will need to leave that area of town completely and go to an area like Kemang.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Goferring;2352866]There are plenty of locals in those areas too but Zip will need an entre into the HiSo clubbber set.

A drunken 50 yo white guy asking one of their girlfriends if 1 jt is enough for a BJ would NOT be a good idea.

Enjoy. G.[/QUOTE]Yes, there are plenty of locals in Kemang as well, but you will actually find a decent number of non locals in places like Eastern Promise and other clubs in that area. As far as the HiSo clubber set, that's not really my preference, but lately I've been shagging a female DJ I met in the Fable nightclub. Nice girl. I used to shag one of the Public Relations girls from 999 in Kemang. She was a great shag. I have to admit that I did give both of them 1 jt, but that was for a lot more than just a BJ. Those type of girls are so much better in bed than the girls in the brothels.

Is it safe for a solo 51 yo white guy to bus it to Bali? Sure I could fly, but I can't see much from 40000 feet.

What about train if you are really looking towards no time issues journey and wanted to see the country. Also, would give you the options of stretching your legs while on the go. I would definitely take a train over bus for sure.

[QUOTE=CzarNicholas;2353006]Is it safe for a solo 51 yo white guy to bus it to Bali? Sure I could fly, but I can't see much from 40000 feet.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=CzarNicholas;2353006]Is it safe for a solo 51 yo white guy to bus it to Bali? Sure I could fly, but I can't see much from 40000 feet.[/QUOTE]The chances of being assaulted or mugged are very low. Pickpockets do occur on the low end busses though so keep an eye on your belongings.

I'd be far more concerned about a traffic accident than safety. Especially with the Express night busses. They drive at insane speeds even by Indonesian standards, on any side of the road and collisions or rollovers resulting in multiple fatalities are common. I took one once. Never again.

Have you considered the train to Bunyuwangi?

A very pleasant trip.

Enjoy. G.

Forgive me if this info is somewhere in here. I started reading this thread from December 28,2018 (which is now Pg 54). I am presently only on January 21,2019 at Pg 43. I have a long way to go. It's hard to find the time when I have a lot of work to accomplish. Anyway, I will be in Jakarta on September 4, so I don't have much time.

I used Google, saw a lot of maps. But they are not meant for downloading. The megapixels were very low and blur when increased in size. Thanks in advance.

Funman13.

P.S. : I have been to Jakarta several times.

Download an called Ulmon City Map Andy it's free version lets you store / download up to 5/6 city maps. It uses phone GPS to do real-time offline tracking. Telkomsel Internet is relatively cheap and you may want to just use google maps. Nothing beats that.

If your heart is set on Paper Maps, try any of those tourism centers plus hotels lobby should have a tourist map. Hope that helps.

[QUOTE=FunMan13;2353151]Forgive me if this info is somewhere in here. I started reading this thread from December 28,2018 (which is now Pg 54). I am presently only on January 21,2019 at Pg 43. I have a long way to go. It's hard to find the time when I have a lot of work to accomplish. Anyway, I will be in Jakarta on September 4, so I don't have much time.

I used Google, saw a lot of maps. But they are not meant for downloading. The megapixels were very low and blur when increased in size. Thanks in advance.

Funman13.

P.S. : I have been to Jakarta several times.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=FunMan13;2353151]Forgive me if this info is somewhere in here. I started reading this thread from December 28,2018 (which is now Pg 54). I am presently only on January 21,2019 at Pg 43. I have a long way to go. It's hard to find the time when I have a lot of work to accomplish. Anyway, I will be in Jakarta on September 4, so I don't have much time.

I used Google, saw a lot of maps. But they are not meant for downloading. The megapixels were very low and blur when increased in size. Thanks in advance.

Funman13.

P.S. : I have been to Jakarta several times.[/QUOTE]Try searching "TransJakarta" rather than MTR.

This is a composite map. I'm not too sure how good your Bahasa is but rute=route and peta=map.

[URL]http://transjakarta.co.id/peta-rute/[/URL]

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=CzarNicholas;2353006]Is it safe for a solo 51 yo white guy to bus it to Bali? Sure I could fly, but I can't see much from 40000 feet.[/QUOTE]It's close to 1,200 km and would be a pretty long, painful trip. You could easily spend a couple of hours just getting out of Jakarta if your timing is wrong. If you don't want to fly you could try the train to Surabaya and bus from there.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2353203]Try searching "TransJakarta" rather than MTR.[URL]http://transjakarta.co.id/peta-rute/[/URL][/QUOTE]Good link, the legends on the side have English as well. The urban rail link is below.

[URL]http://www.urbanrail.net/as/id/jaka/jakarta.htm[/URL]

Thanks to all of you about the info and the advices, much appreciated. After reading the last 50 pages and paying special attention to your advices, I decide to expand the 3-day trip to 5 day and then to go to Bali. The idea was 2-3 days in Jakarta and 15 in Bali combining local girls, beautiful beaches and trip to all the interesting tourist places in Bali.

But I think 2-3 days in Jakarta will not be enough, so it will be 4 days mainly pussy party exploring most of the places that you told me about then more relaxed and diverse Bali trip. I just booked the tickets so now I know exact dates. It remains to book the hotel. I'm choosing between the Classic and Malio hotels. Strangely I can not find Malio hotel on booking / agoda / hotels, and at the [URL]maliohotel.com[/URL] can not find a way to book a room, only brief room info and contact us section. Did I missed something or the only way to book a room is on site?

I like to use the website [URL]https://www.rome2rio.com/map/Jakarta/Bali-Indonesia[/URL] for local travels when I travel.

I was thinking the bus for immersing myself into the local cultures.

I was worried about criminals ala central America.

But forgot about the dangers of travelling in developing nations via tour buses.

Its can be dangerous anywhere, but I have seen many horrible accidents in the news in areas like Asia south and central America.

I have even see in the news roll overs in the states with many fatalities (usually due to snow).

I will explore other options?

The train reminds me too much of an airplane experience, and I absolutely abhor every aspect of flying (not very good at seeing how the locals are living).

Just took the overnight train to st Petersburg from Moscow / it sucked.

So I took the high speed train in the reverse / not any better / just faster and cost double, without the luxury of being able to lie down in bed.

American trains suck as well, not a big fan of those in Deutschland either.

[QUOTE=Kerrstar;2353230]It's close to 1,200 km and would be a pretty long, painful trip. You could easily spend a couple of hours just getting out of Jakarta if your timing is wrong. If you don't want to fly you could try the train to Surabaya and bus from there.[/QUOTE]Completely agree, in fact it would be virtually insane. I can endorse the train if surface transport must be used. CzarNicholas, just google 'train Jakarta to Bali' for further guidance.

[QUOTE=Onojdi;2353294]Thanks to all of you about the info and the advices, much appreciated. ........

...... Strangely I can not find Malio hotel on booking / agoda / hotels, and at the [URL]maliohotel.com[/URL] can not find a way to book a room, only brief room info and contact us section. Did I missed something or the only way to book a room is on site?[/QUOTE]I looked at this also, with the same result, so you are not missing anything. But there is a contact form [URL]http://maliohotel.com/contact-us/[/URL] so you could try that, and post the outcome on here.

I took the bus to Bali once many years ago. It's not dangerous at all. As long as you have an entire day to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] away on a bus, it's fine I guess. I tried it for the same reason you want to try it, for the local culture experience. I found it to be a pain in the ass and very little cultural experience. Just a long bus ride. I wouldn't do it again because it's too cheap to fly to justify sitting on that bus so long. Don't expect any attractive girls to be on that bus, the attractive ones fly.

I was in Jogja not long ago and met a young couple from Europe who were there "for the local experience". They had rented a little house for a month out in the middle of nowhere that had no air conditioning and no tv. For transportation, they rented a motorbike, and they bought food at the local market and cooked at home every night. Personally, I can't imagine a more boring way to spend a month, but they seemed to love it. If you are like that couple, you may actually enjoy that Jakarta to Bali bus. I bet they would have.

My recommendation is to fly.

On another note, I'm curious to see if Malioboro hotel is an actual hotel with rooms you can stay in. I had always thought all rooms in that hotel were reserved for sex with the prostitutes they have in the place. I've never seen anyone checking in or out of that place with luggage.