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[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1562840]Great explanation. But most of the Thai people I know have no idea why they have the particular nickname that they do. I think one of the only people I knew that actually knew why she had her nickname was a girl named Cartoon (She spelled it differently though.) She said when her mother was pregnant with her she would always wander the neighborhood looking for a neighbor's house where she could watch cartoons. But yeah, hardly anybody goes by their given name and if they do then it would not be the full name, but a shortened form. For instance, Pinnapang - Pinna, Piyanuch - Nuch. And lets not forget the ever popular Pat. There are at least 10 Pats on every corner - Pathitta, Patcharee, Pattra, etc. Tell had it backwards. None of a girl's friends would know her given name because they are all known by nicknames. Maybe the girl he is talking about translated her name for him in English, and her coworkers didn't know the English word, but I guarantee you that it is the same name in Thai as Mouse pointed out some examples of.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the clarification and I'm sure it factual, but I have been told by working girls especially in Pattaya that they use names they think farangs. Some have more then one.

Really like Thailand so any insight into the culture is appreciated.

But for the record, in my Detroit neighborhood growing up, everyone had a nickname also. If you ask for them by there real name, nobody knew who you were talking about. Guess that's multicultural.

[QUOTE=TellAll;1562867]Thanks for the clarification and I'm sure it factual, but I have been told by working girls especially in Pattaya that they use names they think farangs. Some have more then one.[/QUOTE]For sure that happens. Given that the nicknames have no official status I think that sometimes when girls switch jobs they use it to move on from their past. And change their phone number at the same time.

[QUOTE=Mouse1;1562487]Just to reiterate, I am certainly not impugning Sir Lancelot's integrity, but I couldn't find Bell, Lily or Ao at the bars he names. Smoke and Kisses doesn't have a curtain before the bar, so my guess is that in a few cases some of the details are misremembered. No problem, I'm just saying! I did however spot Nico at Paradise massage, and the girl with the gap in her teeth as described![/QUOTE]I'm sorry you couldn't find them. I think there's a possibility I misheard Bell's name as the music was loud. It definitely began with a B though and was one syllable long. As for the others, I find Soi 6 quite a tricky environment to make notes on my phone. For gogo bars and massage parlours, it's easy. Before I enter I make notes, while I'm sat down I make notes and when I leave I make more notes. But in Soi 6 everything moves so quickly. I'll walk down the centre of the street and when I see a girls I like sat outside, I'll go in. Five minutes later I'll be upstairs fucking her! For one of the girls I fucked for example, I realised that I'd forgotten to note the name of the bar, so next time I was on Soi 6 a few days later I tried to work it out. Problem is, a lot of the bars look quite similar.

[QUOTE=Mouse1;1562893]For sure that happens. Given that the nicknames have no official status I think that sometimes when girls switch jobs they use it to move on from their past. And change their phone number at the same time.[/QUOTE]What is the big deal with names. Think about strip clubs in the US. Do you really think her name is Destiny or Sparkle? Most of the girls I know in Pattya have difficult names and use nicknames. Sometimes more than one. I personally use different names in EU, South America, and Asia. Names that are easy to pronounce in that region. Also a change in bars is also common. My second trip there I was looking for this girl from Smok and Kisses and found her working at another bar 2 doors down.

Thanks Mouse1, I read the forum in detail to make myself more aware of things in Pattaya. I'm keeping an open mind but I certainly don't want to end up lost in translation when I am in Pattaya. You guys are really cool, keeping this forum alive and informative.

[QUOTE=Mouse1; 1562487]I have followed up a few of Sir Lancelot's recommendations, and at three bars the other girls have no knowledge of the girls he names. Don't know why, but often the girls don't know the other girls names. One girl told me explicitly that she didn't want to get to know them because generally bar girls couldn't be trusted. A bit ironic, I thought. Otherwise perhaps Sir Lancelot got confused over the bar names?

No criticism intended, and excellent reports, but just an indication that things change in Pattaya and it's hard to pin down reality!

Edit: just to reiterate, I am certainly not impugning Sir Lancelot's integrity, but I couldn't find Bell, Lily or Ao at the bars he names. Smoke and Kisses doesn't have a curtain before the bar, so my guess is that in a few cases some of the details are misremembered. No problem, I'm just saying! I did however spot Nico at Paradise massage, and the girl with the gap in her teeth as described![/QUOTE]

As for names and sharing info, IME the ladies can be helpful and sometimes intentionally not helpful. I have a regular named Pat. We're in touch by SMS. I know when she's returning to work. Just making small talk with the other ladies there they say "Pat is finished, she no come back". As in "pick me and you'll forget all about Pat."

[QUOTE=Dirt Diver22;1563085]What is the big deal with names?[/QUOTE]Well, it's called intellectual curiosity, having an enquiring mind, an appreciation of different cultures, an interest in people...

What's your problem, Dirt Diver? With your two fascinating and helpful posts I'm not sure your allusions to US strip clubs are particularly interesting. Enjoy your time in this beautiful country, Dirt Diver.

Dirt Diver22? Is that your age? Don't tell me there are 21 more like you?

[QUOTE=Sir Lancelot;1563021]I'm sorry you couldn't find them. I think there's a possibility I misheard Bell's name as the music was loud. It definitely began with a B though and was one syllable long. As for the others, I find Soi 6 quite a tricky environment to make notes on my phone. For gogo bars and massage parlours, it's easy. Before I enter I make notes, while I'm sat down I make notes and when I leave I make more notes. But in Soi 6 everything moves so quickly. I'll walk down the centre of the street and when I see a girls I like sat outside, I'll go in. Five minutes later I'll be upstairs fucking her! For one of the girls I fucked for example, I realised that I'd forgotten to note the name of the bar, so next time I was on Soi 6 a few days later I tried to work it out. Problem is, a lot of the bars look quite similar.[/QUOTE]No worries. I did spot Biw yesterday. Recognised her from your photo. She didn't sound like your best experience though so I didn't follow through.

I asked after Bell at the bar you mentioned (Full Moon? I forget now). The mamasan indicated one girl, but her name was actually Paeng. Not too different when said quickly in Thai. And the mamasan kept saying 'yes, Bell, same same name'. I'm pretty sure from your description that it was a different girl though. Not a problem, just a bit of fun checking out others' recommendations.

On a related note, I met a girl a couple of days' ago who seemed to be making a guest appearance at Ruby Club. She clearly knew me, and was able to mention certain, er, anatomical facts about me. She kept saying something about Soi 12, which is not an address that rings a bell with me. I couldn't catch her name at all over the loud music, and I can't say I remember her. She had a stud through her cheek which would make her very memorable, and frankly not very appealing to me despite her other excellent attributes. Anyway, like I say, she clearly knew me.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1562840]Great explanation. But most of the Thai people I know have no idea why they have the particular nickname that they do. I think one of the only people I knew that actually knew why she had her nickname was a girl named Cartoon (She spelled it differently though.) She said when her mother was pregnant with her she would always wander the neighborhood looking for a neighbor's house where she could watch cartoons. But yeah, hardly anybody goes by their given name and if they do then it would not be the full name, but a shortened form. For instance, Pinnapang - Pinna, Piyanuch - Nuch. And lets not forget the ever popular Pat. There are at least 10 Pats on every corner - Pathitta, Patcharee, Pattra, etc. Tell had it backwards. None of a girl's friends would know her given name because they are all known by nicknames. Maybe the girl he is talking about translated her name for him in English, and her coworkers didn't know the English word, but I guarantee you that it is the same name in Thai as Mouse pointed out some examples of.[/QUOTE]My GF toldd me that the nicknames are given by the parents and you never use your *real* name (except for official documents and business and such) lest malevolent spirits would hear it and could use it to do all kinds of mischief to you. That kind of "nick name" is therefore not something that gets changed often, if ever at all.

But I think girls in The Game will use a separate nickname when on the job. Like our [i]nom de guerre[/i]. ;) And they may change that when switching bars.

[QUOTE=Mouse1; 1562834]Er, I don't think you are quite right.

My understanding, and fellow members more culturally aware please correct, is that all Thai people get a nickname shortly after birth. That name is usually a Thai word that reflects a specific feature eg one girl was very red as a baby, so was called 'Dang', another liked orange juice and was called 'Som', another looked like a shrimp and became 'Goong'. Those are Thai words and can be misheard or misspelt in English. So one girl yesterday said her name was Roo, but spelt it as 'Runt'. I explained that 'Roont' would be a better spelling, and from yesterday that is now her name. Other girls (and boys) are given Western names because they are seen by some as being nicer / better. And of course some girls change their nicknames because they want to for business purposes. Some with regularity. But my guess is that 'Bell' is a Thai word, and perhaps Lily too.

The other girls I have met this trip all have very definite Thai names, such as Oi, Nut, Jib, Jeab, Abon, Pat, Waew, Paeng. Abon was interesting because she has the word tattooed on her arm, but swears blind that her name is Apple, pointing to the tattoo. I can see that 'Abon' and 'Apple' are not too dissimilar. So is her name the farang word Apple, or is that just what we hear? Many times I have struggled to catch a girl's name. When she spells it out I get it, but often an odd pronunciation to Western ears.

And finally I very rarely hear girls address each other by their formal Thai names. I doubt whether they have been called by that since school, unless in front of authority such as the police or courts.

That's my understanding, but please correct.[/QUOTE]Thais tend to pronounce words ending with "L" as if it were an "N". Thus school becomes schoon. Bill becomes bin. Little becomes litten. Could explain the Apple / Apon confusion.

SW

[QUOTE=SirWilliam4; 1563390]Thais tend to pronounce words ending with "L" as if it were an "N". Thus school becomes schoon. Bill becomes bin. Little becomes litten. Could explain the Apple / Abon confusion.

SW[/QUOTE]Yes. Similarly with 'p' and 'b' (and of course 'l' and 'r').

[QUOTE=Mouse1;1564114]Yes. Similarly with 'p' and 'b' (and of course 'l' and 'r').[/QUOTE]Not similar at all. It is a different mechanism at work. Thai know perfectly the difference between 'l' and 'n'. There are many words in Thai that have a clear 'l' or 'n' sound. The poblem is that in the Thai language a word cannot end on an 'l' sound. So it gets substituted by 'n' automatically.

Many times on the Pattaya Forum members will discuss or inquire about various entertainment venues and there is often confusion about where they are located and what services are available.

I've been living here for more than six years now and still often have trouble remembering all my options and where to find them. So I've started compiling a catalogue of my favorite spots as well as other places I want to visit in the future. Pattaya is truly a playground full of options for mongers like us and there are entertainment spots to satisfy every taste.

I'm happy to share my first catalogue of Blowjob and Short time Bars with any ISG members who might be interested.

I'm also compiling catalogues of Go-Go bars, Soapies, Oilies, Restaurants and other service businesses to help me keep abreast of all the places I like to go. I call it Daddy07's Pattaya Playground and I'll be updating the information regularly, so if any of you have something to add please be sure to let me know. I'm always interested in knowing about new places to go and things to do in Pattaya.

To be sure any of you can find all of the same information on the internet but I've found that to be extremely time consuming and it's much more convenient to have all the info I want in one place.

[QUOTE=TellAll]In my Detroit neighborhood growing up, everyone had a nickname also. Guess that's multicultural.[/QUOTE]It sure is.

My given name is Winthrop Waverly Saltonsall-Plumridge.

But I picked up Bunky early in my boarding school days.

[QUOTE=Mouse1;1562834]My understanding, and fellow members more culturally aware please correct, is that all Thai people get a nickname shortly after birth. That name is usually a Thai word that reflects a specific feature eg one girl was very red as a baby, so was called 'Dang', another liked orange juice and was called 'Som', another looked like a shrimp and became 'Goong'.[/QUOTE]I once met a SW on Beach Road called Stamp. Her father worked at the post office at the time she was born.

I felt sorry for her but it didn't seem to bother her though.