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[QUOTE=Turgid;2051080]My experience is that women are different and it is futile to pigeon hole them into real women and non-real women categories based on their service. Some women may just be more desperate for money than others and that does not make them less of a woman than the less needy ones.
Similarly, men are different, I have never in my life spent hours kissing a girlfriend, not even my ex-wife, maybe it was because I have never been in love, perhaps if I had been I would not be in this hobby. Also, I rarely ever spend more than five minutes doing DATY even with the most gorgeous provider which is why I don't like paying extra for it. I once saw a documentary on how to make a woman come orally and it requires a lot of patience on the doer's part, I tried it on a Colombian provider once and she did come after about twenty minutes. I like FS too much to spend so much time doing cunilingus on a provider, I rather spend that time banging her. The short of my story is that for me with hookers it's all about banging them and getting off. DATY and DFK are enjoyable but mostly to assist in my erection. If I want to spend tons of time kissing and DATYing I'd get a lover.[/QUOTE]Each one own kind of sex of course, I m a kisser lover and I always experienced women who love you want to kiss you very often, if you don't have bad teeth, or ashtray, or beer breathe. Same with WGs, some come to kiss you, you don't need to force them. Cyprine is my favorite drink, what a cocktail with champagne, but I agree with most of girls you have to take time, to be patient, sometimes need 30 mn, sometimes 45, to be lucky to drink her juice, but then, girl will behave in different way for sex with you.
Kissing without upselling and woman behavior girls are the busiest, Sandra. De or Mandy. De are the busiest at Sharks, same in all clubs, Katalina is a superstar everywhere she works. Girls who are not able to kiss, or don't know how to fluently kiss, hunting upselling, usually get less business, so they can be desperate about their low level potential for GFE services.
No enjoyable sex which only worth to pay for, without fluently kissing and sweet caresses before starting sex.
When I finished my first room for 1 hour with Sandra on January 2015, she was a so magic GFE, she was the only girl among my few girls in FKK, I couldn't remember her name, so I went with her shameful, to ask her again. She answered: you already forget me? No, I was just dreaming because she was a real illusion.
On the other hand, when you know a bit about guys, it was funny to read smoking guys writing a girl was kissing, and not smoking guys writing she doesn't really kiss, maybe she enjoyed to kiss only ashtrays.
What is the sweet spot without it being too long? I see people up to 13 days.
[QUOTE=CityBox;2050989]How long is your tour? How many days are enough and how many days are too long?[/QUOTE]
I haven't been back to Sharks for a while. My last two trips were really disappointing. At one time it was my favourite FKK. Those days are sadly well gone.
Arrived today (Thursday) and the heat in and out of the club was intense. Not the fault of the club of course. On the upside, this meant that a lot of girls around 5 pm were by the pool lounging on sun beds. But this was by a long way the worst line up I've ever seen not only at this club but at any FKK. I was truly shocked. Of the 70 or 80 girls I would say that at least one 60% were fat. I'm not talking about a few extra pounds / curvy. I mean truly overweight and completely unappealing. I'd spent the previous evening in Scandalo in Malaga. There were only 3 girls in Sharks who would have been able to get a single customer in Scandalo. The LU in Spain and its clubs at the moment is just miles ahead of Sharks. I was in Munich at FKK Sunshine a few weeks ago and the LU there was superb. I reported on it. Several really slim, busty, attractive girls = it was hard to choose.
It was also hard to choose in Sharks. But not in a positive way. The average on looks was around 4 out of 10 and that is generous.
My first room was with a pretty girl called Adina from Berlin. She is a regular at Artemis and is working at Sharks temporarily. Pretty face, body a little overweight. But slim by the standards I saw at Sharks today, and a great attitude. Short 30 minutes and thought I would repeat due to poor alternatives.
I spotted a girl with long blonde hair with enormous boobs who I wanted to session with. She is Cheyenne (not from Artemis fame). Spoke to her and her Moldavian friend whose name I forget. 30 minutes in room with them both was forgettable. The blonde with the big tits was one of those hold your cock when you are fucking her brigade which I cannot stand. I am not small but I am no stallion and she was pathetic at taking it. Waste of money.
I then spotted one gem. Long dark hair, silicones but amazing body. Athletic, big lips (false) and big eyelashes but very pretty face and big smile. The only girl at 8/10 in the whole club. Her name is Paulina. Romanian. Body to die for. I waited for her to finish a room with a previous customer and then pounced. 1. 5 hours later and one of the best experiences in an FKK I can recall. Her service level was outstanding. Attitude 100%. No upselling at all. The DFK was passionate, intense, and unrelenting. This girl knows how to press every button. She almost comes with a guarantee of satisfaction. No holding cock nonsense. On the contrary. Regular encouragement to fuck her harder in every position. If I had not started with her at 12.30 am I would have had 3 hours with her. She is a delight. Pleasant, pretty and service is 10/10.
She saved the night. Sharks is a shadow of what it was 2 years ago. World fell from grace, then Oase and now Sharks. At 12.20 I was thinking that it will be a long time before I will return here. The city is boring and now the options are poor. Munich, Stuttgart, Berlin and Dusseldorf are all much better. Except of course for the amazing Paulina. I'd return just to see her. She is the Elizabeth Hungary of Sharks.
To the member who asked if he needed more than a few days. You'll need one only at Sharks and you'll go elsewhere. Current you is genuinely hopeless unless you like very large unattractive girls. But ask for Paulina. Looks a little Asian with her very black hair. But is not. She is a gem amongst an awful lot of large stones. Sorry to be brutal but its true. This club has declined badly. The heat in the club meant it was empty most of the night. There is no air con. I realise Germany is normally cold. But this was unbearable. Sharks lost its bite for me. I'll return in another 12 months or so if the reports show a huge increase in quality.
PFI. Sorry that you didn't have a good time at Sharks. But based on your past history, I could have predicted that; after each Sharks visit, you came back and expressed your disappointment here. And you are a very honest writer and valuable contributor, but I think you are being a bit too harsh. Clearly, Sharks doesn't agree with you, but you have your tastes. If I go to Artemis, or Spain, and I don't like the LU, I will come back and write here that I personally didn't like the LU. I won't say that the girls appeal only to people who like unattractive girls. Frankly, that's a very insulting statement. There are hundreds of men visiting Sharks every week, and having a good time. To somehow think that they all must have poor taste is hubris, in my mind. I didn't like Artemis girls in 2013 and 2014, but I will not claim those girls appealed to people with poor tastes. I would have said they were not my type, and left it there.
Also, it's widely known that Sharks is miserable when it's too hot due to their deficient air con. This fact alone probably shifted a bunch of customers elsewhere on hot days. Consequently, the top girls probably knew to stay away since business would likely be so miserable, not to mention the fact of the guys getting more a lot sweaty than usual on them.
[QUOTE=CityBox;2051231]What is the sweet spot without it being too long? I see people up to 13 days.[/QUOTE]That depends on how many times you fuck per day, and if you visit FKK's every day / night. Personally I have done 8 days in a row at most. But that is too much as I allways averages 3+ sessions a day. And that really kills me and feels like a marathon when reaching day 7-8...
Those who do 7+ days should either take a day off, or have a day or two in the middle where they only perhaps do 1 girl maximum.
3-4 days is the sweetspot if you go all out and fuck 4-5 girls a day / night. For me the sweetspot has been exactly 4 days and then I hold back a little bit and try not go over board the first days with too many rooms. But perhaps different for different guys. Right now I am considering either a 10 day germany/austria trip with 8 fkk days. Or I'll cut it shorter without days off going just 1 country.
But your own physique is very relevant too. If you are fit, propped with aprodisiacs and haven't had sex for a week or two, you can probably fuck twice as many girls as if you were lazy prior to your trip, smoke, drink beer and have a fatty belly.
But alot of people want to do some sightseeing while in germany too, so taking 1-2 days off in the middle doing other things makes it less mundane... I once met a japanese guy who did a 3 months trip. Or maybe it was even longer than that. Visiting fkk's over half the days... mostly sharks on his part... I don's see why one would stay that long at one club, but ai guess I also once did artemis too often not even looking elsewhere...
PFI: You can still find gems in all clubs. Too bad half of them only stay shortly, perhaps a week, and then they move on...
[QUOTE=UltraHappy;2051322].... widely known that Sharks is miserable when it's too hot due to their deficient air con ....[/QUOTE]I remember last Sunday around 8 pm when the thunderstorm took place. Afterwards inside it was like in a terrarium and up from that moment fucking outside in one if the wooden huts with the simple air tubes on top should have been less sweaty than staying inside talking and sitting around.
[QUOTE=Jnpr30;2051318]PFI. Sorry that you didn't have a good time at Sharks. But based on your past history, I could have predicted that; after each Sharks visit, you came back and expressed your disappointment here. And you are a very honest writer and valuable contributor, but I think you are being a bit too harsh. Clearly, Sharks doesn't agree with you, but you have your tastes. If I go to Artemis, or Spain, and I don't like the LU, I will come back and write here that I personally didn't like the LU. I won't say that the girls appeal only to people who like unattractive girls. Frankly, that's a very insulting statement. There are hundreds of men visiting Sharks every week, and having a good time. To somehow think that they all must have poor taste is hubris, in my mind. I didn't like Artemis girls in 2013 and 2014, but I will not claim those girls appealed to people with poor tastes. I would have said they were not my type, and left it there.[/QUOTE]I wrote so many times Sharks was my best casting in Germany, higher than VIP GT, in 2015 until last Summer, but I can't write anymore, even maybe the largest casting, but I prefer only 1 Megan sister.
PFI, if I found a Paulina but with light make up, no silicon, no Botox, duck lips, with passionate behavior like yours, she would make my day and night, taking her in wood chalet, elephant room and mirror room, for different games to enjoy.
[QUOTE=PayForIt;2051314]I haven't been back to Sharks for a while. My last two trips were really disappointing. At one time it was my favourite FKK. Those days are sadly well gone.[/QUOTE]Thanks for your report: you gave an appreciation on the line up and remember names. If only more members could do the same you might have postponed your visit at Sharks. I will postpone mine unless someone tell me Nastia is back. Next one will be GT.
[QUOTE=Jnpr30;2051318]PFI. Sorry that you didn't have a good time at Sharks. But based on your past history, I could have predicted that; after each Sharks visit, you came back and expressed your disappointment here. And you are a very honest writer and valuable contributor, but I think you are being a bit too harsh. Clearly, Sharks doesn't agree with you, but you have your tastes. If I go to Artemis, or Spain, and I don't like the LU, I will come back and write here that I personally didn't like the LU. I won't say that the girls appeal only to people who like unattractive girls. Frankly, that's a very insulting statement. There are hundreds of men visiting Sharks every week, and having a good time. To somehow think that they all must have poor taste is hubris, in my mind. I didn't like Artemis girls in 2013 and 2014, but I will not claim those girls appealed to people with poor tastes. I would have said they were not my type, and left it there.[/QUOTE]Hi Jnpr30. I've re read my post (partly written in haste and frustration and partly alcohol infused!)
I think you make good points. I certainly didn't mean to insult anybody by suggesting those who like the club only like unattractive girls. At every club there is someone for everybody and that still turned out to be the case for me at Sharks last night and Paulina was truly exceptional. You are right that we all have different tastes and that must be true because I saw guys coming down those stairs last night with girls they had roomed with who most certainly did not appeal to me.
I made my point badly. I was shocked at the LU. If you go back to my very first post about Frankfurt clubs a few years ago (I think 2013 or 2014) I liked to rank the clubs I'd been to on my tour. I ranked Sharks top. I still like the layout of the club, the garden even more so as it has of course been hugely improved since works a couple of years ago and the improved massage area is good. The food was very good last night both outdoors and indoors. But the LU has most certainly changed from being predominantly slim young girls (which I accept might not be every man's taste) to now include not just a token older lady (I refer to the previous exploits of the infamous Sylvanna) but several. Last night there were a lot of girls who are, at least to my thinking, very overweight. If some guys go for that look, and enjoy being with larger ladies I'm pleased for them and also for those ladies. I didn't intend to disrespect either. And it's good that we all have different tastes otherwise we'd all be aiming at the same girl or girls. But in terms of enjoying even sitting in the garden watching one sexy modeleque girl after another walk by, that was not what I experienced at Sharks yesterday. If slim, model like girls are your thing, and I suspect it is what a lot of guys do like, then the club presently ranks poorly. We all talk in terms of how many 8's 9's etc there are in clubs. One man's 9 could be another man's 5 but unlikely I think.
There is clearly some attraction at Sharks for me to keep returning despite several disappointing visits. As UltraHappy says, correctly, the lack of a decent aircon system didn't help. But I think I could have lived with it had the optics been great. Artemis is famed for its girls with tattoos and sillies and there can be no doubt there are a lot of both there although I always seem to have a great time there and neither are to my liking. It was just a shock to see what I considered to be a very serious demise in the quality of LU at Sharks. But things change. Oase was amazing for a year. Perhaps Sharks will return to former glories. I hope so. I regretted staying in Darmstadt last night as had I stayed in Frankfurt I think I would have left and gone to another club but I didn't know if there was any other club close to Sharks to move to. In the end, I'm glad I didn't move - Paulina was terrific and I did enjoy my short time with Adina.
Apologies to anyone who felt offended by my previous post. That was certainly not my intention at all. My frustration at what I considered to be a very poor LU got the better of me!
[QUOTE=UltraHappy;2051322]Also, it's widely known that Sharks is miserable when it's too hot due to their deficient air con. This fact alone probably shifted a bunch of customers elsewhere on hot days. Consequently, the top girls probably knew to stay away since business would likely be so miserable, not to mention the fact of the guys getting more a lot sweaty than usual on them.[/QUOTE]Sorry I was there this Wednesday until 6 PM and there were many customers and also a great LU. Shark is not my favorite club but it is difficult to complain about the LU, I am very curious to know which FKK in Germany has a larger LU. All the senior mongers are aware that in summer time many girls are working the day to enjoy the pool etc. So it is better to go there in the afternoon.
[QUOTE=UltraHappy;2051322]Also, it's widely known that Sharks is miserable when it's too hot due to their deficient air con. This fact alone probably shifted a bunch of customers elsewhere on hot days. Consequently, the top girls probably knew to stay away since business would likely be so miserable, not to mention the fact of the guys getting more a lot sweaty than usual on them.[/QUOTE]I am really confused right now what to do. Normally I was very clear about my choices. Last time I was in NRW and this time I chose FRA. Flight tickets, hotel and car reservations completed and paid. But I understand that I must choose NRW. Of course I can take the 200 Km by car for GT or LR or maybe for Samya but honestly I don't want to. I already learn the Air Con problem of Sharks.
I was planning (this week) Sunday Sharks, Tuesday Oase and Wednesday (World or Sharks or Oase depends on my recent experience.) Oase is loosing points because of bad service levels due to last reports. Sharks Air Con problem. If I go to NRW I would have to pay additional hotel costs. GT was very nice last time. I really enjoyed and a perfect selection for a Sunday but I really dont know what to do now.
[QUOTE=Iceberg27;2051410]I am really confused right now what to do. Normally I was very clear about my choices. Last time I was in NRW and this time I chose FRA. Flight tickets, hotel and car reservations completed and paid. But I understand that I must choose NRW. Of course I can take the 200 Km by car for GT or LR or maybe for Samya but honestly I don't want to. I already learn the Air Con problem of Sharks.
I was planning (this week) Sunday Sharks, Tuesday Oase and Wednesday (World or Sharks or Oase depends on my recent experience.) Oase is loosing points because of bad service levels due to last reports. Sharks Air Con problem. If I go to NRW I would have to pay additional hotel costs. GT was very nice last time. I really enjoyed and a perfect selection for a Sunday but I really dont know what to do now.[/QUOTE]You leave FRA at 9.30 am, You arrive at GT around noon for breakfast. You leave GT at 10.45 pm after new pizzas, you will be in bed around 1 am in FRA, to sleep more than 8 hours like a baby, but dreaming about attractive girls. You can have siesta in GT garden.
Maybe FKK First, less than 1 hour south FRA worth at the moment. Atlanta Hanau big brother.
Enjoy beauties.
[QUOTE=PayForIt;2051314]At one time it was my favourite FKK. Those days are sadly well gone. Arrived today (Thursday) and the heat in and out of the club was intense. [/QUOTE]I am not a very frequent visitor, but I have been visiting Sharks reasonably regularly about 1-2 days every 2-3 months ever since the year it first opened.
I really have not sensed any change in the average quality of the line up over the last 3 years. But it does change dramatically between seasons, between months, and between the days of the week. (with Thursday, the day of the week you visited, being the worst day from my experience).
If I compare the line-up on a Saturday 2 years ago, a Wednesday last year, and a Thursday 2 weeks ago, I would conclude that it has deteriorated tremendously. But if I compare that of a Thursday 2 years ago, a Wednesday last year and a Saturday this month, then I could confidently assert that it has greatly improved.
My mood also plays a critical factor. If I am feeling moody, agitated or tired from travelling, or have had a really great time with other girls in another club the days before, then most girls might appear unappealing on that day - not slim enough, not smiling, aggressive, arrogant, pestering, etc.
Conversely, when I am feeling happy, or sex-starved, then many girls appear appealing and the problem then is which to take.
And it is a vicious cycle. Good mood leads to good sessions (not always, but much of the time) which improves my mood, leading to even better subsequent sessions. Sometimes I end up on a high at the end of the day, having to stop just due to exhaustion.
When I am in a bad mood at the start (especially if a favorite I hoped meet is not around), then no session is good, and things get worse till I call it quits.
So my approach now is to tell myself to be happy; and so far most days have gone very well for me.
(Postscript: temperature does affect my mood. So after the sweaty day at Sharks, I spent most of my remaining days in the cool of the garden and (too cold) airconditioned rooms in World in my last trip just completed.)