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[QUOTE=Manizales911;2895706]Talk to the doorman directly,"befriend" him, buy him a cheap meal and give him a decent propina and most likely he will allow you to bring in any girl with a proper ID that isn't a known bad apple. Have him hold the girl's ID until she leaves after you give him the OK to do so.[/QUOTE]With airbnbs there is no consideration you need to put into it being OK or with having to make nice with the doorman. All you need to do is message the hosts to find out the situation with the building and there are no issues. I've stayed at so many airbnbs. And some hosts will literally tell you to have fun, but if you get drugged it's your problem. If you look at 30 airbnbs in an area, maybe 10 will be an obvious no based on the stated rules. Message the other 20 and you'll find a few that there are no issues.

I've only had to document one of my visitors at one of my first airbnbs, but it was because I didn't do the research / messaging the host ahead of time. And even then it wasnt a problem. I certainly know the types of buildings / doormen / hosts that some of you are talking about. But it is 100% avoidable with some upfront messaging before you book.

The topic of ids is a whole nother thing. But the decent love motels check the ids. In the past if I've had any doubt, I go to a place that I know will ID. And problem solved.

Yea, this is such bullshit. I was staying at an airbnb and it was simiilar, according to building policy I would have to contact the owner of the airbnb and send the info of the girl before the front desk would let the girl in. The worst part was that this requirement was ONLY for AIRBNB guests staying in the building. If you were just a normal renter, there were no such regulations. Which is completely ridiculous. The host made it out to seem like no big deal, but can you imagine meeting someone at a bar or something and wanting to bring them home and having to message the airbnb host at midnight or 1 am and expecting them to respond in a reasonable timeframe? We should make a list of such buildings as well as list of the good GF ones.

[QUOTE=SlowBlow;2895585]Up until now I've been mostly a GFE guy, finding girls online before I arrive, or at the most I've went to a casa or private apartment or two. I really haven't had many "domicilios".

But after arriving at enough nasty ass places with people all around, I'm close to being a "domicilio or nothing" type of guy. The apt I'm staying in now wants me to send the info of the girl to the owner and they will then send the info to the doorman. No way in hell is someone going to give me their info before arriving, and I'm honestly too nervous to try and just wing it and have them show up to see what happens.

I've stayed at places without a doorman and I didn't have to worry about having guests, I just brought them in. Honestly, I prefer it like that, even if it's a little more dangerous. Navigating apartments with doormen is just annoying and to be honest a bit embarrassing.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Kazeu;2895747]Yea, this is such bullshit. I was staying at an airbnb and it was simiilar, according to building policy I would have to contact the owner of the airbnb and send the info of the girl before the front desk would let the girl in. The worst part was that this requirement was ONLY for AIRBNB guests staying in the building. If you were just a normal renter, there were no such regulations. Which is completely ridiculous. The host made it out to seem like no big deal, but can you imagine meeting someone at a bar or something and wanting to bring them home and having to message the airbnb host at midnight or 1 am and expecting them to respond in a reasonable timeframe? We should make a list of such buildings as well as list of the good GF ones.[/QUOTE]With thousands of Airbnbs and every version of rules you might find a list would be useless I think. The only solution is to check with the host before you finalize the booking to see if it is ok. But certainly if you own a house or apartment and put it on Airbnb you should have the right as a host to have whatever rules you need. And if some of those rules drive away business then that is a cost you pay.

I know that in the past when I had a unit on Airbnb I needed to have those types of rules because I was in a residential area and if neighbors saw anything like that going on my place would have been shut down in a heartbeat. So I always try to respect the rules that an owner may have, and just look somewhere else if I'm not wanted in a particular place.

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2895763]With thousands of Airbnbs and every version of rules you might find a list would be useless I think. The only solution is to check with the host before you finalize the booking to see if it is ok. But certainly if you own a house or apartment and put it on Airbnb you should have the right as a host to have whatever rules you need. And if some of those rules drive away business then that is a cost you pay.

I know that in the past when I had a unit on Airbnb I needed to have those types of rules because I was in a residential area and if neighbors saw anything like that going on my place would have been shut down in a heartbeat. So I always try to respect the rules that an owner may have, and just look somewhere else if I'm not wanted in a particular place.[/QUOTE]

Respectfully, I did ask the host if guests were permitted. And he replied yes. He failed to mention that I would have to write him a message to get an approval for him beforehand. We obviously had 2 different ideas of what it means when one says "permitted". I ended up telling him that I did not agree with his interpretation and to give him credit, he gave me a refund for the days I had left on the reservation and I moved out of the airbnb early. But I still believe that my interpretation is the more accepted general one. You can decide for yourself. It was a pretty big inconvenience for me though when I had a chica come over only to get denied entry at reception.

You(general you, as in air bnb hosts in general, not you as in Zeos1) can make whatever rules you want from your experiences as a host. That is your right. But there is an argument to be made that if a host does not explicitly say that guests are not allowed in the reservation, one could reasonably presume that they are allowed. Prostitution is legal in Colombia as far as I know. Sex is legal in Colombia. If you do not want prostitution in your Airbnb, then say it. Otherwise, get your nose out of peoples business.

[QUOTE=Kazeu;2895774]Respectfully, I did ask the host if guests were permitted. And he replied yes. He failed to mention that I would have to write him a message to get an approval for him beforehand. We obviously had 2 different ideas of what it means when one says "permitted". I ended up telling him that I did not agree with his interpretation and to give him credit, he gave me a refund for the days I had left on the reservation and I moved out of the airbnb early. But I still believe that my interpretation is the more accepted general one. You can decide for yourself. It was a pretty big inconvenience for me though when I had a chica come over only to get denied entry at reception.

You(general you, as in air bnb hosts in general, not you as in Zeos1) can make whatever rules you want from your experiences as a host. That is your right. But there is an argument to be made that if a host does not explicitly say that guests are not allowed in the reservation, one could reasonably presume that they are allowed. Prostitution is legal in Colombia as far as I know. Sex is legal in Colombia. If you do not want prostitution in your Airbnb, then say it. Otherwise, get your nose out of peoples business.[/QUOTE]Not really directing this to you, but trying to help people out that have had trouble. What you (and even I) would generally assume to be true in our home country is not automatically the same in a different country. I mean, to be honest even inside my home country I generally do not assume so that I can ensure I get the personal or business result that I want. You add in the fact that English likely is not their first language and / or the message is going through a translator. And you have even more room for misunderstandings.

When I interact with people from other countries (even other English speaking ones), I take care to phrase things maybe a bit differently to avoid unexpected results. For example in this situation with messaging the hosts, here is my script that I have used to avoid all issues with these questions. Even if all the things are not true, I word things in a specific way for my own reasons.

Hello! I am super excited about your airbnb. I am traveling for work and I am exploring different parts of Bogota to consider a longer term rental. I had a few questions. To help me make my booking decision.

1) is xyz available in the kitchen? I like to cook and wanted to know.

2) what type of work chair and power is available at the desk? I can't really understand from the pictures, and I typically work from the Airbnb 2 days per week.

3) What are the rules about guests? I have work friends in Bogota that sometimes will come over for a meeting or I will make dinner for after work. I also have a few friends that will travel from outside Bogota to stay over during the weekend and want to understand any policies.

4) some other random question from the listing.


Here is what it accomplishes:

1) it shows you are not here mongering / a regular nice guy. A lot of people don't like sex tourists. Specificly women hosts.

2) it shows you are respectful and understand how things often work in Colombia, or at least with buildings in the city.

3) it gives them more information about the different scenarios with guests so that they can better respond with information to help make my decision. Some people also respond to detailed questions with detailed answers.

4) the host MIGHT interpret this as an opportunity for a longer term foreigner rental, and might change their rules or put more thought into their response. I definitely have had this last one happen.

A good amount of the time, the host responds with specifics beyond just yes or no. I book the ones that give the specifics that I want to hear. Never had a problem. If I used a simpler script would I get the same results. I dunno, maybe. But I've never had an issue and it takes me essentially no effort to message the hosts, so I do it.

I agree with most of what you are saying. Seems like a good playbook to go by. In my case this particular building has rules specifically for AirBnb guests as opposed to "normal" renters. Those rules should have been explained when I asked if guests were permitted. As they are not normal. Typically I've never seen a building with rules specifically tailored towards AirBnb guests. Building rules usually are applied to everyone equally and any rules regarding prohibition of guests have been specifically the hosts rules. First time for everything I guess.

[QUOTE=JackTaggart;2895798]Not really directing this to you, but trying to help people out that have had trouble. What you (and even I) would generally assume to be true in our home country is not automatically the same in a different country. I mean, to be honest even inside my home country I generally do not assume so that I can ensure I get the personal or business result that I want. You add in the fact that English likely is not their first language and / or the message is going through a translator. And you have even more room for misunderstandings.

When I interact with people from other countries (even other English speaking ones), I take care to phrase things maybe a bit differently to avoid unexpected results. For example in this situation with messaging the hosts, here is my script that I have used to avoid all issues with these questions. Even if all the things are not true, I word things in a specific way for my own reasons.

Hello! I am super excited about your airbnb. I am traveling for work and I am exploring different parts of Bogota to consider a longer term rental. I had a few questions. To help me make my booking decision.

1) is xyz available in the kitchen? I like to cook and wanted to know.

2) what type of work chair and power is available at the desk? I can't really understand from the pictures, and I typically work from the Airbnb 2 days per week.

3) What are the rules about guests? I have work friends in Bogota that sometimes will come over for a meeting or I will make dinner for after work. I also have a few friends that will travel from outside Bogota to stay over during the weekend and want to understand any policies.

4) some other random question from the listing.


Here is what it accomplishes:

1) it shows you are not here mongering / a regular nice guy. A lot of people don't like sex tourists. Specificly women hosts.

2) it shows you are respectful and understand how things often work in Colombia, or at least with buildings in the city.

3) it gives them more information about the different scenarios with guests so that they can better respond with information to help make my decision. Some people also respond to detailed questions with detailed answers.

4) the host MIGHT interpret this as an opportunity for a longer term foreigner rental, and might change their rules or put more thought into their response. I definitely have had this last one happen.

A good amount of the time, the host responds with specifics beyond just yes or no. I book the ones that give the specifics that I want to hear. Never had a problem. If I used a simpler script would I get the same results. I dunno, maybe. But I've never had an issue and it takes me essentially no effort to message the hosts, so I do it.[/QUOTE]

These are great tips, thanks! Do you have any airbnb's you recommend? Or a good area to search? I am looking to maximize mongering time and I currently have a reservation for Tequendama Suites Bogota but I would prefer an AirBNB.

[QUOTE=JackTaggart;2895798]Not really directing this to you, but trying to help people out that have had trouble. What you (and even I) would generally assume to be true in our home country is not automatically the same in a different country. I mean, to be honest even inside my home country I generally do not assume so that I can ensure I get the personal or business result that I want. You add in the fact that English likely is not their first language...[/QUOTE]

Thanks for all valuable contributions. I have been wondering about visiting Flirt hotel. Anybody had any experiences from the place? Do you bring you company there, or do they have ladies on the premises. Any pointers will be greatly appreciated.

[QUOTE=JackTaggart;2895798]Not really directing this to you, but trying to help people out that have had trouble. What you (and even I) would generally assume to be true in our home country is not automatically the same in a different country. I mean, to be honest even inside my home country I generally do not assume so that I can ensure I get the personal or business result that I want. You add in the fact that English likely is not their first language and / or the message is going through a translator. And you have even more room for misunderstandings.

When I interact with people from other countries (even other English speaking ones), I take care to phrase things maybe a bit differently to avoid unexpected results. For example in this situation with messaging the hosts, here is my script that I have used to avoid all issues with these questions. Even if all the things are not true, I word things in a specific way for my own reasons.

Hello! I am super excited about your airbnb. I am traveling for work and I am exploring different parts of Bogota to consider a longer term rental. I had a few questions. To help me make my booking decision.

1) is xyz available in the kitchen? I like to cook and wanted to know.

2) what type of work chair and power is available at the desk? I can't really understand from the pictures, and I typically work from the Airbnb 2 days per week.

3) What are the rules about guests? I have work friends in Bogota that sometimes will come over for a meeting or I will make dinner for after work. I also have a few friends that will travel from outside Bogota to stay over during the weekend and want to understand any policies.

4) some other random question from the listing..[/QUOTE]I just used your script (with a few variations) to ask an Airbnb for my upcoming trip to Pereira if I can bring in guests and it worked like a fucking charm. She said I can receive guests under my own responsibility. I take that to mean I can bring whoever I want into the Airbnb at my own risk (I. E. If I get scoped, robbed, or found dead it's my own responsibility, they are not responsible).

It's a smaller place with a mini kitchen, flat screen TV and a mini fridge, hot water in the shower, with 2 beds and a private entrance. She said she can take out one of the beds and put a desk and chair in there for me to be able to work and she can add a coffee maker LOL.

The place has a real good location on Cra 8 between Parque Libertad and the other park along the same CRA. According to WT69's maps both parks have street talent so I'll be equidistant to 2 different venues for street meat.

Here's some screen shots of how I used your script and the response I got back from the Airbnb host.

Thanks again Jack.

Gabacho.

[QUOTE=Kazeu;2895774]Respectfully, I did ask the host if guests were permitted. And he replied yes. He failed to mention that I would have to write him a message to get an approval for him beforehand. We obviously had 2 different ideas of what it means when one says "permitted". I ended up telling him that I did not agree with his interpretation and to give him credit, he gave me a refund for the days I had left on the reservation and I moved out of the airbnb early. But I still believe that my interpretation is the more accepted general one. You can decide for yourself. It was a pretty big inconvenience for me though when I had a chica come over only to get denied entry at reception.

You(general you, as in air bnb hosts in general, not you as in Zeos1) can make whatever rules you want from your experiences as a host. That is your right. But there is an argument to be made that if a host does not explicitly say that guests are not allowed in the reservation, one could reasonably presume that they are allowed. Prostitution is legal in Colombia as far as I know. Sex is legal in Colombia. If you do not want prostitution in your Airbnb, then say it. Otherwise, get your nose out of peoples business.[/QUOTE]Yep, I see your point. I have actually had a similar experience in Costa Rica where the host rules were one thing and the building rules, specifically applied to single woman guests, were not communicated before booking or by the host. And that sucks. I had a female friend fully booked with me beforehand, and the host had all of her ID info, but when she came to the building there was still a big hassle. It is very annoying. Eventually they let her in, but then said that I needed specific instructions from the host each day. I complained to the host and he did something so that at least they let her in after checking everything, taking a pic of her ID, etc. - every time she came to see me. Later I found out that the actual condo rule was if your booking was over a week or something you could have guests, as long as they were ok with the host, but under that they said no guests no matter what. Anyway. The place was very annoying. And the host certainly should let you know about the condo rules as well as his own. Before you put your money down with no refund.

[QUOTE=Pete6;2895950]Thanks for all valuable contributions. I have been wondering about visiting Flirt hotel. Anybody had any experiences from the place? Do you bring you company there, or do they have ladies on the premises. Any pointers will be greatly appreciated.[/QUOTE]I have heard it is a big rip off-- I know there is a post about it and the guy paid a lotta cash for not much.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2895980]I just used your script (with a few variations) to ask an Airbnb for my upcoming trip to Pereira if I can bring in guests and it worked like a fucking charm. She said I can receive guests under my own responsibility. I take that to mean I can bring whoever I want into the Airbnb at my own risk (I. E. If I get scoped, robbed, or found dead it's my own responsibility, they are not responsible).

It's a smaller place with a mini kitchen, flat screen TV and a mini fridge, hot water in the shower, with 2 beds and a private entrance. She said she can take out one of the beds and put a desk and chair in there for me to be able to work and she can add a coffee maker LOL.

The place has a real good location on Cra 8 between Parque Libertad and the other park along the same CRA. According to WT69's maps both parks have street talent so I'll be equidistant to 2 different venues for street meat.

Here's some screen shots of how I used your script and the response I got back from the Airbnb host.

Thanks again Jack.

Gabacho.[/QUOTE]Glad to hear it. One general suggestion is to consider adding the overnight work friend aspect in there too. You could also consider getting the work desk and chair for increased options for sex positions jaja.

My theory is to protect against a building that might not care about day time guests vs night time ones. I have no facts to support that though. Doesn't sound like it matters based on her response, but just wanted to better explain my reason to have the two guest scenarios.

Thanks for posting the Spanish version!

Would you mind sharing a link to the AirBNB you are talking about? I am looking for a place and that sounds like what I am looking for.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2895980]I just used your script (with a few variations) to ask an Airbnb for my upcoming trip to Pereira if I can bring in guests and it worked like a fucking charm. She said I can receive guests under my own responsibility. I take that to mean I can bring whoever I want into the Airbnb at my own risk (I. E. If I get scoped, robbed, or found dead it's my own responsibility, they are not responsible)...[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Phreeman69;2895145]So my friend is trying on jeans at a high end shop in Zona T Sunday evening, and I start chatting to these two Colombianas who are walking by, both in their thirties and dressed like regular girls out for a party. We take them to Irish Pub and spend a fun couple hours drinking and eating. The one I'm sitting next to is showing some cleavage and letting me get kind of touchy. The one with my friend nicknames me "the octopus" because l'm all hands, plus she's a smoker.

My friend makes some gentle inquiries as to whether they're pros, but somehow I convince myself they're civilians (wtf was I thinking). The result is that once we have them back in our two bedroom AirBnB, mine says she wants to be paid. First it's $200 US, then $100, and I counter with 200 mil pesos and we agree 300 mil.

I stick my dick in her face and tell her to suck it, and she responds, "Oh that's extra. " I realize that this is not going to work out, so I tell her to get the hell out.

My buddy wants to keep his. I'm mad and eventually get mine to leave, walking her down (which is required by building security, a good thing. They have a record of her ID), not paying her a penny. She's mad too.

The second girl stays the night but my friend said she was terrible. He gave her $100 US. She also reports that my girl has been texting, that she had gone to work at the Olimpo VIP, and bragged that she fucked two clients there that night.

This is the first I've heard of picking up hookers in the upscale Zona T bars. Lesson learned.[/QUOTE]Consider yourself lucky you weren't drugged and robbed. There are plenty of girls in bars in such places looking for guys "ready to party". Maybe what saved you was the airbnb and the security they had. A friend of mine was drugged with scopolamine and robbed, and they even woke him up to ask him where his laptop and phone chargers were. They just took small stuff it could fit in a backpack, but still the risk of being robbed by a more organized band that would max credit cards or even kidnap you are too big. Moreover, with all those venezuelans around feeling they could do whatever because if they are caught there is no way to prosecute them if they don't have papers. Legal system in Colombia sadly sucks.

[QUOTE=Stl24;2896052]Would you mind sharing a link to the AirBNB you are talking about? I am looking for a place and that sounds like what I am looking for.[/QUOTE]It's in Pereira, a smaller city in the coffee axis, it's not in Bogota. I just was telling Jack Taggart how his script had worked for me.