Angeles City

[QUOTE=NapaSlapper;1577538]Although I am new to this board, I am not new to angeles city, I have been visiting since 2000 had previusly lived full time in angeles city for 3 years, so know my way around.

The whole point of my trip report is this.

Where have all those innocent, young, thin, cute, girlfriend material girls working in all the bars gone too of only just a few years ago let alone 14 years ago.

They simply do not exist in the bars of angeles city any more, yes my trip was cut short, but I barhopped for most of the days nights I was there, some 15-18 bars in total, both perimeter and fields avenue, from small bars to the biggest, days, evenings.

What I saw out in those bars except for 1 girl who was a cherry girl was to be honest very poor, basically I would not have had sex with them for free let alone paid.

If the bar owners of angeles city want good paying customers to fly half way around the world, paying high air fares and by passing some great mongering destinations then they at least need to greatly improve their level of women available.

Put the lack of cute women in bars down to what you want, wrong days, wrong times, wrong months, all I know is this, up to a couple of years ago I could go into any bar in angeles city, night, day, any month and they would be full with very cute / thin girls wanting to barfine, what we are left with is in honesty not worth the effort. Sorry to be negative, but that's what trip reports are for, to report what you saw / found, good or bad.[/QUOTE]Very interesting comments, particularly given your experience (and thus perspective). I'm personally not the most observant, and also I tend to seek out fun rather than "quality" (in terms of looks, I mean), but even so I have noticed this sort of everywhere: in China, Bangkok, Pattaya, and as you suggest in Angeles City.

I'm curious whether you - or others here - have noticed the same thing, and also what are your preferred places to visit for this kind of fun nowadays?

[QUOTE=NeilPatrick;1578609]My flight was on the 7th of June (which is a Monday) and it got the cancellation email yesterday. So I think this might be outdated or wrong. The most frustrating thing was waiting for about 15 minutes to get the reservation cancelled. They do something and ask to hold on for 5 minutes and then to another thing and again ask to hold on, this happened about three times, which was frustrating. I cancelled my trip altogether and decided to spend those days in Pattaya as well.[/QUOTE]Strange. It's even still possible to book this flight on their web site.

Did they tell you in the cancellation email that they have cancelled the entire route? Or only your flight?

It's not that I don't believe you but if Cebu Pacific also canceled this route, right after Emirates did, then there are not many options for me anymore to fly directly to Clark.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;1578649]Strange. It's even still possible to book this flight on their web site.

Did they tell you in the cancellation email that they have cancelled the entire route? Or only your flight?

It's not that I don't believe you but if Cebu Pacific also canceled this route, right after Emirates did, then there are not many options for me anymore to fly directly to Clark.[/QUOTE]Now that I have checked the their site, indeed you can book flights. I honestly thought that they have cancelled the route. This is the reason they gave in their email:

[B]Tigerair Philippines would like to inform you that your flight has been cancelled due to aircraft situation. However, we have mounted another flight which you may take in lieu of the cancelled flight. [/B]

And this was my replacement:

[B]Flight details:
Flight No. 5J932 on July 08, 2014, departing Suvarnabhumi International Airport at 12:40AM and arriving in Ninoy Aquino International Airport Terminal 3 at 4:55AM[/B]

As I was quite concerned about the situation in AC (this was going to be my first ever trip there), the flight cancelation became a trigger for me to cancel the whole thing and extending my stay in Pattaya / BKK. So I really didn't do any further looking around. Sorry for the misinformation.

NP.

[QUOTE=NapaSlapper;1577538]I am not new to angeles city, I have been visiting since 2000 had previusly lived full time in angeles city for 3 years, so know my way around.

If the bar owners of angeles city want good paying customers to fly half way around the world, paying high air fares and by passing some great mongering destinations then they at least need to greatly improve their level of women available.[/QUOTE]You seem to be out of touch with current reality. Continual bar raids, with girls being hauled off to Manila, and who knows what happens to them there, abuse? , means attractive girls not willing to work in such an environment anymore. I suspect a significant percentage go to online dating sites, away from the police raids. Also bar owners have to pay more for the pretty girls, and with raids, fines, closures, they are not making the money to hire such girls.

IJM and their penchant for rescuing girls, Polices penchant for tea money, the new Economic Free Zone, Online dating. All of these seem to be conspiring against Angeles. Interested to know the "great mongering destinations" you mention in your report.

[QUOTE=Bonzo1;1578644]Very interesting comments, particularly given your experience (and thus perspective). I'm personally not the most observant, and also I tend to seek out fun rather than "quality" (in terms of looks, I mean), but even so I have noticed this sort of everywhere: in China, Bangkok, Pattaya, and as you suggest in Angeles City.

I'm curious whether you - or others here - have noticed the same thing, and also what are your preferred places to visit for this kind of fun nowadays?[/QUOTE]Well, interesting, I have even noticed the same in UK over the last year or two, the sweet young asian things have become very hard to find now. I used to visit a few "houses" where the girl changed every week, but recently they have become older (though they never will admit that when you call to book). And mainly Chinese now, instead of a range of nationalities. Sorry I know this is not directly AC relevant but adds to this thread!

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[QUOTE=Sxxxx;1578799]You seem to be out of touch with current reality. Continual bar raids, with girls being hauled off to Manila, and who knows what happens to them there, abuse? , means attractive girls not willing to work in such an environment anymore. I suspect a significant percentage go to online dating sites, away from the police raids. Also bar owners have to pay more for the pretty girls, and with raids, fines, closures, they are not making the money to hire such girls.

IJM and their penchant for rescuing girls, Polices penchant for tea money, the new Economic Free Zone, Online dating. All of these seem to be conspiring against Angeles. Interested to know the "great mongering destinations" you mention in your report.[/QUOTE]Been following this thread of conversation with interest because I had been thinking of visiting the PI this winter. I've been briefly Cebu, mostly to go diving, but nothing else. I didn't party.

The PI has such a legendary reputation. Is it really not worth going to anymore? Even Manila or Subic? Or are those days sadly gone? I had assumed the PI to actually be the last stronghold of quality punting.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;1578534]I don't profess any intimate knowledge of Angeles or its bars; it's a scene that's got no real appeal for me, so I can't comment on whether there's a growing "rejection trend. However, I do know a little bit about the macro economy and the demographics of the country, both of which suggest that the population--particularly the ranks of the poor and uneducated--continues to swell, the schools continue to reflect mediocrity, and the economy's record of job creation is abysmal. I'm also relatively sure that the country remains at the bottom of ASEAN in its ability to attract foreign investment. These trends, which are not likely to change anytime soon, suggest that unemployment, especially for those with little education, will remain high, and with few alternatives available to meet the continued demands of their families for money, it seems logical to conclude that Angeles will continue to resent the employer of last resort for many young, provincial women. So I doubt that the supply side of the equation will be in jeopardy anytime soon.

I also note that the "rejection" issue appears indigenous to Angeles. At least I've not seen any posts that suggest the presence of the same issue in Manila or Cebu. If that's true, then we're left with the task of isolating what's different about Angeles than the other two destinations? This assumes of course that the male punters are more or less equivalent in character, dress and behavior across the three cities. The only meaningful discrepancy I can think of is that in Angeles, bars are being raided and girls are going to jail for varoius periods. So, if I'm correct, the whole "rejection" issue may be caused more by fear than chemistry. Perhaps the girls would rather settle for less income if that also means they can avoid other unpleasant consequences.[/QUOTE]Yes the supply side of the equation in the PI is in good condition. The problem w / the talent level IN AC, has more to do w / raids and the threat of more raids. When I first got to AC in 2010 there was little concern (in the bars) if a young lady looked 17 but was indeed 18 or 19 yrs old. On my first trip I saw many very young looking (legal, I thought) ladies and some were very good looking.

On my first trip I don't remember so many Koreans and I don't recall being denied in the bars.

My second trip (2011) is when I noticed I was getting more road blocks in my search for the perfect GF. Not only in AC but Cebu as well. In Cebu I am only familiar w / the Mango Sq bars and they were very Korean oriented w / the western customer taking the leftovers. In Cebu, the leftovers are pretty but the top girls are in the 8, 9 range, very very beautiful Cebuanas. Those were always K only, the management in Vikings, Red Lips, etc could give a shit about treating their customers fairly. I got burned numerous times from Mango St bars.

Back to AC, after my 2011 trip the US started putting more pressure on the PI's over the top Angeles City Sexporium. Since then the AC scene has gradually deteriorated to what it is now. If you're looking for pretty 7 and 8's then AC is not for you. The prices are still great compared to Manila but it is not easy to find something special. On my last trip I was lucky and found a gem, I kept her for my whole stay, 4 days. I did enjoy in-betweeners but my Atlantis babe was my main squeeze for my time in AC. She made my time there well spent. There were some other items I enjoyed in AC as well and I am looking forward to my next trip in April.

The discrimination is asian vs western and the filipina is closer in location and in culture to the Asians. What is happening is as more Japanese, Koreans (not Chinese so far) are bringing their bias against westerners enjoying their women to the PI. In Japan and Korea the top talent is not available to westerners and now that they are moving into other markets they are using the same cultural rules that apply in their own countries.

I have heard many times that in some Korean bars the ladies are pressured into not going w / a westerner otherwise they will be ostracized by the Korean clientele and lose income. I think in some bars this is true and in other bars the ladies think they can make more money off a Korean and work less hard for it.

The bottom line is the ladies are free to choose and that's how it needs to be, everywhere and always.

Hopefully the current climate will change back to a more balanced playing field. Time will tell.

I did enjoy the tightest pussies of my life in Manila and AC this last trip. I spent some time in Manila (my first) and there was absolutely no discrimination there, only really high prices and much better lookers, that said, I still like AC.

The AC scene is a roller coaster and I hope it returns to the 2010 level of beauty and youth.

Cheers

[QUOTE=XMan;1578121]If you have some flexibility you could consider BKK to Cebu and then to AC. I think the Cebu to AC flight is only twice a week though. On the other hand there are farang friendly buses from MNL to AC.

Don't have flights? What does that mean? Your message is seriously lacking in information. Are you trying to fly tomorrow and everything is booked? Maybe you just mean there are few flights to AC.[/QUOTE]Thanks for all the answers, I was just planning to go to Angeles, but in several flight companies there were no flights for all the dates I choose, it seemed really strange, and I got the idea these days, its not possible to fly directly from Bangkok to Angeles, I have time to wait and things may change, but most of all its becoming obvious that Angels City its not a very interesting destination at this point.

MonteCristo.

[QUOTE=Amavida;1576537]No disappointment & had to kick her out at mid day the next day so that I could get on with important stuff.[/QUOTE]LOL, like chasing more pussy.

I don't understand all the angst here either. I spent a couple weeks in AC last month and had a great time. The overall standard isn't what it used to be, especially on Perimeter, but if you take your time and choose carefully you can still find some pretty nice talent. And while prices have definitely gone up over the past couple years, it's still real value for money.

[QUOTE=Montecristo;1578830]I got the idea these days, its not possible to fly directly from Bangkok to Angeles[/QUOTE]Yeah, I figured that service wouldn't last long. For all the big talk about becoming Manila's 2nd hub, Clark is really fizzling out. The only international destinations left now are Seoul, Hong Kong, Macau, Singapore, and Doha. Domestically it's even more hopeless: only Cebu and Caticlan.

I never mind spending a day or two in Manila so I wouldn't care if NAIA didn't suck so much and it weren't such a pain in the butt to get from Manila to AC. Last time I tried Philtranco, since they have a bus from Pasay right to Clark. Take my advice, avoid it. It was hopelessly late and then took forever to get around Manila on EDSA. Yes, they dropped me off right at Checkpoint but it wasted the better part of a day. If you're going by bus stick with the ordinary Five Star etc ones to Dau.

[QUOTE=Betong;1578851]Yeah, I figured that service wouldn't last long. For all the big talk about becoming Manila's 2nd hub, Clark is really fizzling out. The only international destinations left now are Seoul, Hong Kong, Macau, Singapore, and Doha. Domestically it's even more hopeless: only Cebu and Caticlan.
[/QUOTE]I took the Davao-Clark flight a few times when AirAsia was operating it, and it was wonderfully convenient. However, since nothing here works very well for very long, I was totally unsurprised when it was canceled. Actually, getting anywhere in the Philippines is somewhat of a challenge. Often, you're forced to fly through Manila to get wherever you want to go, even if that doubles the length and cost of the trip. Road transport's a joke and there are no trains.

GE.

[QUOTE=Betong;1578851]Yeah, I figured that service wouldn't last long. For all the big talk about becoming Manila's 2nd hub, Clark is really fizzling out. The only international destinations left now are Seoul, Hong Kong, Macau, Singapore, and Doha.[/QUOTE]This is a misunderstanding, Cebu Pacific is still flying Bangkok - Clark v.v. See post #14460.

[QUOTE=Betong;1578845]I don't understand all the angst here either. I spent a couple weeks in AC last month and had a great time. The overall standard isn't what it used to be, especially on Perimeter, but if you take your time and choose carefully you can still find some pretty nice talent.[/QUOTE]I totally agree. Take your time and choose carefully and there are still quite a lot of gems to be found. Especially in the bigger bars with dozens or even hundreds of girls it simply takes time to spot just the right one for you.

Or try the freelancers in the streets, SM Mall or places like High Society.

For once I have to disagree with you GE. Road transport isn't a joke. Its a nightmare.